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Mystery Maniacs Episode! In Podcast 178, the death of a haughty hottie makes us wonder how telegraphs work, what’s up with Brackenreid and tripods!
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Sketch Vs Ryder
Super Tall Tripod
Weird Flowers in the Park
Thanks again for listening!
Mark & Sarah
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Schedule for September
- September 25 - Murdoch Mysteries S02.E11 - "Let Us Ask the Maiden"
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Sarah
Cross his face. Hey, maniac.
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Mark
Hey, maybe.
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Sarah
It's Mystery Maniac. You're very favorite podcast.
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Mark
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV each week.
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Sarah
Mystery TV.
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Mark
Each week we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies, and everything else we love. This week. Murdoch Mysteries Season two Episode ten Miracle.
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Sarah
Dotcom dot com. It's all about not the Internet. Yeah, it's a clever ad.
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Mark
So clever. I'm Mark.
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Sarah
I'm Sarah. Before we dive in, there's a couple of shows that we watch this week that I want to recommend to folks.
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Mark
Absolutely.
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Sarah
And in both cases, they are the second season being out just released. So if you've not watched either of these shows, you have a whole first season to to watch. Yes. Before you dive into the new stuff. Yes. And she's always kind of fun when you find something new and you find out there's a lot of it. Yes.
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Mark
One on PBS's Masterpiece in the U.S. and one on ACORN and in the U.S..
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Sarah
Yeah. But I'm sure there are other places. Another other. Yes. So the first one is Professor T. Now there's a Belgian version of this, but we're talking about the British version. Yes. And it stars Ben Miller, who is the first detective on Death in Paradise. So if you've watched that show.
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Mark
The second.
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Sarah
Detective. Well, yeah, The first one dies in the first episode.
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Mark
Spoilers.
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Sarah
Dies in, like, the first 5 minutes. Yeah, I know, but Ben Miller is so funny. Yeah. Professor T almost has the same kind of personality quirks that his character in Death in Paradise has. Kind of a kind of social.
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Mark
He's kind of a persnickety guy.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
He's also an academic.
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Sarah
But in.
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Mark
Cambridge.
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Sarah
Yeah, it's set in Cambridge, so the setting is beautiful. And he has a super quirky, crazy mom and the cases are really good. Yeah, but not too heavy. No, And it's not gory at all.
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Mark
No, there's some heavy stuff in it, but.
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Sarah
I mean, there's some life stuff in it. Yeah. But in terms of mysteries, each episode is one mystery. They wrap it up. Yeah.
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Mark
So Ben Miller is fantastic.
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Sarah
So that's Professor T with Ben Miller in.
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Mark
It, and that's on Masterpiece Mystery right now. Two episodes of the second season have been released and for, I think in the first season. Mm hmm.
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Sarah
Which is all of it. Yes. There's only four episodes in the first season, but really fun. So note that you should check out Professor T. The other thing I want to recommend is Chelsea Detective and again, the second season just started releasing and it has Adrian Scarborough in it. Now, if you're a midsummer fan, which you should be, and you remember the episode with The Bell Ringers, where the redheaded lead bell ringer was also a gambler on the horses.
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Mark
Ring a ding ding. Yeah.
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Sarah
That's Adrian Scarborough. And he plays the detective in Chelsea Detective. And again, he's a little quirky. He's really fun. He lives on a boat.
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Mark
Drives a bicycle.
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Sarah
Yeah, well, he rides a bicycle. Yes. The cases are again, they're really intriguing. They're not easy to figure out, but they're not like Gore and Mafia or anything like that.
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Mark
He also has a weird mother while an aunt.
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Sarah
Aunt? Yeah. And again, every episode wraps up a mystery in one episode. Yeah.
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Mark
And that's on that show.
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Sarah
Yeah. And that's on ACORN right now. But again, you may be able to find it. Other places in other places. Yes. So, Professor T and Chelsea Detective, highly recommend.
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Mark
Absolutely.
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Sarah
I don't think we've recommended those before, but it's always exciting when the second season comes out. You think, okay, there's more of that now, so I'm not afraid to like it.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Because they'll just stop making it if I like it. Great to talk about Murdoch to come.
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Mark
Murdoch does come. First of all, just remember, this is a spoiler podcast. If you let your kids go on the Internet, they should be able to listen to this podcast.
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Sarah
Maybe. I don't know. She's pretty crazy.
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Mark
She is. The original air date was April 7th, 2009, directed by Elinor Lindo and written by Alexandria Saroyan. He would have done both done episodes before. I would say that this is this book, this show is a direct there is a direct line between it and a book called the Victorian Internet, which is written by Tom Standage that was released in the late 19.
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Sarah
So he's definitely inspired by it. Yeah, sure. Yeah. But it's not a big leap now to think of early telegraph and the internet and how they have parallels.
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Mark
It's funny to think of the Telegraph as a quaint technology that died out in our lifetimes. Most people don't realize that that died out in our lifetimes, but it is in fact a revolutionary information technology that changed everything.
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Sarah
Yeah, the world got fast instantly.
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Mark
Yeah. Between 1830 and 1890. When this is set, the world changes completely.
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Sarah
You go from Pony Express to telegraph, right? Literally, a horse had to take your letter to where it needed to go. Yep.
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Mark
To before that dude walking.
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Sarah
They didn't have horses before 1830. Everybody. No, no, no, no, no. Before that you had to hop on one foot all the way there. No way to crawl it. Yes, it was slow, is what I'm telling you. And distance was an issue.
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Mark
It was an incredible issue.
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Sarah
You'd send somebody a message and wait months to get a reply. Yeah. So this is instantaneous conversation going on with the Telegraph.
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Mark
The example I use is at the beginning of the 19th century, there was an explosion on an island in Indonesia that killed 100,000 people because it was a volcano and they did not hear about it for six weeks later in London.
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Sarah
Didn't the ash cloud arrived before the news of where it came from arrived? Well, it.
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Mark
Was one of the loudest sounds ever on earth, and it caused tides to rise all.
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Sarah
Over. Yeah, but they didn't know why They didn't until the news six weeks later. I'm in when I see telegraphs in a movie or a TV show like this, I'm just always amazed at how people learned Morse code and could just listen and make it out. I just I've never learned a foreign language well enough to dream in it.
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Sarah
I've, you know, I've never internalized something like that, so. Well, yeah, but yet you could do it. And then I hear about stories of, like, soldiers in World War One and World War Two who in six weeks in basic training, learn to use a telegraph as well as these women did, and shoot a gun and everything else. You know, like that, because that fast it's.
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Mark
Because it's based on our letter system, which helps.
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Sarah
Right? So but it's just incredible to me that you can listen to the dots and dashes and translate it in your head. That's awesome.
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Mark
And Morse, William Morse, the telegraph pioneer, developed the language, not the telegraph itself.
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Sarah
It's Morse code, not the wires. Yes, this episode has a really small cast. It does. And it really only has four people in it. In addition to the regular cast, though, we do get done doing your favorite character. We do. Margaret.
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Mark
Margaret and I, we've.
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Sarah
Seen her before, but only in a little smidgen.
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Mark
I would go so far as to say this is really the first appearance of.
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Sarah
Margaret Yeah, because for Margaret.
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Mark
Margaret at the end of this episode is the Margaret that we know and love in the rest of the episode.
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Sarah
And starts out with international be inappropriate at work day at station for a kiss your girlfriend delivery goes there take a walk in the middle of the day screaming at your husband.
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Mark
I have.
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Mark
Seen.
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Mark
He have a job and I and I wanted to get this out. We're not upset with the actress who plays it. No, I think she does a good job.
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Sarah
She does.
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Mark
We just hate the character.
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Sarah
Because we want him to be with Julia like everybody else in the entire universe. Yeah, and you're supposed to.
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Mark
You forgot our walk. Yes, because I was busy working.
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Sarah
Doing my job, measuring this skeleton with and drawing on it with a pencil.
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Mark
What I hate is there is no instance here of her being scientific. She just is all of a sudden girly girl.
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Sarah
She mentions that she has done science stuff. Yeah.
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Mark
But.
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Sarah
But not anymore.
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Mark
Not the way it was in the other episode.
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Sarah
Mark, She has a calloused finger that she strokes his face with.
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Mark
Oh, oh, her one finger.
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Sarah
All across his face. She brings him a flower and he practically, like, sweeps his arm across his workbench to put it up. They're like, Oh, flower.
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Mark
Yeah. And those flowers are like, They're nice, but they're kind of weedy.
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Sarah
It's sage. Yeah. That's why it says it's blue Sage.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
I just think I don't. I wouldn't even give you a plant for your office. And we've been married for a long time because I would feel like I was putting pressure on you. Because if it died, what does that say? You know, I think you would feel pressure to keep it.
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Mark
And what does it say? That his office needs a feminine touch. He's a copper.
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Sarah
It doesn't need a feminine touch.
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Mark
No, it doesn't need a masculine touch. It needs a copper touch.
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Sarah
She just wants him to think about her. Oh, Margaret is true. And Tommy?
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Mark
Oh, my gosh. All the laundry is out. Levi Badger gets mentioned.
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Sarah
They. They pull the blinds down in his office That doesn't soundproof it. Everybody's listening to everything.
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Mark
George has remarkable hair.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
No, the hearing.
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Mark
How do you end any scene in a mystery show? A body has been found.
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Sarah
What do you like about me? I don't know anymore.
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Mark
Oh, you could sleep here.
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Sarah
It just went up a level.
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Mark
I'll send you some things.
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Sarah
But the constables are milling around like Mom and Dad are fine. Yeah, I feel uncomfortable. I'm kind of surprised. Enid didn't say, but we had to go for a walk. I thought. I thought we cannot wait till we've gone for our walk.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
No, Enid, go away. Hmm.
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Mark
Having found two other bodies by the water, I finally get to the episode that I remember. The body being found by the.
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Sarah
One in the boat.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
She's also played out in the boat?
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Mark
Yes. Did you notice the sudden dog?
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Sarah
No.
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Mark
The guy walking the dog. The first. Like they go from the A bodies been found. They do the little outside of the station montage and then it's right on the dog.
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Sarah
Sergeant Dog. It's Veronica Williams, the telegraph operator. She's in a boat. Her wrists are slit. She's been choked to enter unconsciousness. Yeah, and her finger is callous.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
Dun dun dun. Are there any other jobs you can or pastimes you can think that would tell us one finger?
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Mark
Maybe. Maybe bad guitarist.
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Mark
Is.
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Sarah
Saying like a musical instrument. Maybe. Maybe if you were just a one finger plucker, I guess you might lose finger typist.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
But that's kind of telegraph, isn't it? If you're a one finger diapers.
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Mark
And I would assume that you would switch fingers.
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Sarah
No. Yeah, because you need to. You need to be fast. I don't think you could switch fingers and be dexterous.
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Mark
I think if you.
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Sarah
Were really cool, you'd have to. You'd be able to telegraph with both hands.
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Mark
I suppose.
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Sarah
And then you have two calloused fingers.
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Mark
Well, this is certainly like we've talked about these meetings before, where at the start of the season, they set the goals for this show. Mm hmm. Right. And clearly, someone has brought up women in the workplace in this season.
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Sarah
Yes. Independent women.
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Mark
In the.
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Sarah
Workplace, in the workplace are being taken advantage of.
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Mark
And they're horrible. Boss. Me?
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Sarah
Oh, yeah.
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Mark
Well, he's horrible.
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Sarah
Gabriel. Writer Yes. He has to be bad with that name.
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Mark
Yeah, he does. So at the morgue, we have Murdoch going. I need your help with something.
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Sarah
And Julia says I have to wash my hair. And then he says the favors, not for me. And then she has all the time in the world because she's not crazy about him right now. If it's for you, I'm busy.
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Mark
And he has. She is a callus on her finger, just like innards. And I'm like, I have in my notes. She hate her.
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Sarah
Well, it's it's good for all of us that you know her so well. Yes, she has to turn her back on him. Julia does. So she can go so well.
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Mark
The Great Northern Northwestern Telegraph Company, of course, doesn't exist. They made it up. And it's the moment in which I see Beth tipped. And I'm like, Oh, yeah, she did it.
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Sarah
Now you know a lot about telegraphs and telephones and all that good stuff. Communication, history. Were there competing telegraph companies?
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Mark
Tons of them. It was a, it was a gold rush.
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Sarah
But did they actually compete or were they just trying to add on to the network and extensive network all the time?
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Mark
Absolutely competed. Absolutely. There was massive amounts of competition and underhand in this, and there were definitely codes, especially for the starts and ends of messages for different companies. And this is where you begin to see the conglomeration of I have a newspaper, so I'm going to have a telegraph company and I'll eventually have a radio company and you begin to see that media.
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Sarah
The media mentioned a development.
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Mark
And this is actually that this time in the early 1880s and nineties is when the AP, the news service began.
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Sarah
The Associated Press.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
So here's what I don't understand. I get that the message is from the Telegraph. Go, go along the wire. Enid says later that everybody you can hear all of them. Yeah, right. So how do you tell them apart Like within the messages kind of overlap each other and how do you know? Like if we were competing telegraph companies in the same city, wouldn't my operators just intercept your messages and deliver them to get the money or something?
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Sarah
Well, I don't get how that works.
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Mark
They kind of fudge it a bit because what happened would be I would own telegraph lines and my telegraph lines would connect to my telegraph station and my like those lines were then allowed to like portions of those lines were used by different people and it wasn't it it gets into circuitry and.
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Sarah
It's not one wire.
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Mark
It's not.
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Sarah
It's a bunch of wires and each one can carry a message. Yeah, okay. That makes more sense. Now then, was the competition kind of over the last mile, like.
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Mark
Kind of last mile? And there were instances where people intercepted messages partway and used them against people.
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Sarah
Oh, yeah, Yeah, that's easy. Yeah. I mean, that's why telegraphs were kind of vulnerable, right? Because people could listen in and easily understand and then do things with that information if they wanted to.
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Mark
And you have to realize that there are lines all over the world that are still that were originally telegraph the lines that they're, they've been replaced by telephone lines now. But those polls were there for telegraph lines.
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Sarah
All of this goes to I don't understand why anybody would flirty chat on a telegraph line. It's like flirty chatting in public with a big sign. Everybody goes, so many people can intercept it and listen to it and see it. It's there's no privacy at all.
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Mark
Well, there were so few people on it.
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Sarah
There's like 20 women in that one room.
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Mark
No, there were so few people on it on a regular basis. Like there's like so much of the messaging was mundane, right?
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Sarah
So now you'd have to, like, flirt on ham radio or something.
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Mark
Might.
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Sarah
Be the equivalent of in a gas bath.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Who's the telegraph operator? And the caller says that Veronica was flirting with somebody on the lines, but all of their incoming telegraphs are printed and saved and in a file for each operator. So Veronica is doing this flirty, flirty Morse code, knowing that all of those messages are being saved right there at work.
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Mark
Yeah, It's that.
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Sarah
I don't think I would take the risk.
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Mark
Of that happen.
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Sarah
In a time because your boss could fire you for looking at him funny or because you didn't. Trip is trigger. You'd get fired.
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Mark
You're also getting millions of messages at this point in time.
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Sarah
Yeah, Like you wouldn't have time.
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Mark
That little card catalog thing that she has of messages would.
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Sarah
Be like today. Yeah, of messages.
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Mark
Yeah. It just.
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Sarah
Maybe if you were like, a night operator.
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Mark
It's, like, pretty.
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Sarah
Quiet now. Yeah, well, that's kind of what I was saying.
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Mark
Like, it's like, Oh, this sounds like a good idea at the very beginning. And then after 2 minutes, you go, No, it's not.
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Sarah
No, no, no. I get 30 emails an hour at work at least.
00;17;49;02 - 00;17;52;22
Mark
No, they wouldn't have done that. They fudge around with some things here.
00;17;52;26 - 00;17;54;06
Sarah
It makes it convenient.
00;17;54;09 - 00;18;11;21
Mark
I have a question. Why does best shift and not this leave? If Beth Tipton leaves, I've quit at the Great Northwestern. Right. I've got some money from some ladies that pretended to take money from him. I'm going to leave.
00;18;11;24 - 00;18;14;14
Sarah
Yeah, somebody is on to me, so I'm just going to head out.
00;18;14;14 - 00;18;15;24
Mark
I'm going to go to Vancouver.
00;18;15;25 - 00;18;17;20
Sarah
Maybe we should talk about it at the end.
00;18;17;23 - 00;18;18;23
Mark
Because wow.
00;18;18;27 - 00;18;20;10
Sarah
When the whole plot's unraveled a bit.
00;18;20;11 - 00;18;24;28
Mark
Completely causes their own problems. So Tom is on the gold cure.
00;18;24;29 - 00;18;29;19
Sarah
Mr. Breckenridge is having some issues. He's a bit grumpy.
00;18;29;19 - 00;18;33;08
Mark
Grumpy because he's not drinking and supposedly, no.
00;18;33;10 - 00;18;38;29
Sarah
He's withdrawing from cocaine and strychnine. So the strychnine in there.
00;18;38;29 - 00;18;45;14
Mark
I don't know. So the idea is that he has doubts, right? He's coming off the alcohol. But this is more than that.
00;18;45;19 - 00;18;48;13
Sarah
Yeah, this is like rage.
00;18;48;15 - 00;18;49;08
Mark
Yeah.
00;18;49;10 - 00;18;50;27
Sarah
And periodic rage.
00;18;51;03 - 00;18;54;12
Mark
And he's all conspiratorial with Crabtree.
00;18;54;14 - 00;19;18;07
Sarah
Because I think he knows that the gold cure that he's receiving is quackery. Yes, it, it must feel too nice when he takes it to know that it's not real medicine. So this gold cure was, it's a gold chloride injection is what it's supposed to be. And obviously the one that Tom is receiving is not actually that medication.
00;19;18;10 - 00;19;44;27
Sarah
Know the gold cure was a real thing. It was invented in Illinois by a doctor named Leslie Kelly in 1879, and he had by the time he was finished, she had clinics all over the country everywhere. But you wouldn't just get the medicine and take it home. It was a center that you went and stayed. Yeah. So you go and you dry out and then you would start receiving this gold cure, which was this injection of gold chloride.
00;19;44;28 - 00;20;20;00
Sarah
Most people think that even Kelly himself knew that it didn't really do anything, that the injection was a complete placebo. What worked was two things. One, they actually got away from alcohol because they were there and they detoxed, and people who weren't severely addicted had a chance to kind of dry out and get their lives back together. Yeah, but the other thing is that he would tell them that once they started receiving the gold cure, if they were to leave and start drinking again, it would be very dangerous.
00;20;20;02 - 00;20;21;06
Mark
Yeah, like that.
00;20;21;07 - 00;20;26;15
Sarah
Like they had an idea that if they drank, they might die. Yeah. So he scared them straight.
00;20;26;17 - 00;20;27;08
Mark
Basically.
00;20;27;08 - 00;20;44;23
Sarah
But the big thing about him that I know he sounds like a quack, and he certainly knew that his medicine didn't work, but he did do one amazing thing. He was the first medical professional to treat addiction as a health issue. Yeah, and not as a moral failing.
00;20;44;25 - 00;20;48;09
Mark
Yeah, because that's what where Temperance went wrong.
00;20;48;10 - 00;20;58;03
Sarah
Yeah, he was really serious that if you entered one of his clinics, you were not a bad person, You had an addiction, and you needed to be treated medically.
00;20;58;06 - 00;21;00;19
Mark
And that addiction was physical.
00;21;00;20 - 00;21;09;03
Sarah
Physical. But it had nothing to do with your moral fiber. No. Or fortitude or whatever. Well, which I think is really notable.
00;21;09;03 - 00;21;14;29
Mark
That's huge, because I'm sure he saw people who were rich and poor, who were drunk.
00;21;15;06 - 00;21;19;23
Sarah
Oh, yeah. No, I'm sure the poor people couldn't afford his treatment. It was gold after all.
00;21;19;24 - 00;21;27;03
Mark
I realize that yesterday at work it was Bring your Personal Life to work day. But now we have a new day at work.
00;21;27;08 - 00;21;27;26
Sarah
Oh, yeah.
00;21;27;27 - 00;21;29;12
Mark
It's bring your girlfriend to work.
00;21;29;12 - 00;21;32;25
Sarah
It's a continuing of be inappropriate at work day.
00;21;32;27 - 00;21;34;07
Mark
Can my girlfriend help?
00;21;34;09 - 00;21;39;27
Sarah
I don't think they're paying her. No, she's doing it because she wants to be near Murdoch in this.
00;21;39;27 - 00;21;42;12
Mark
Oh, I don't like it, but.
00;21;42;16 - 00;21;44;06
Sarah
I think we've made that pretty clear.
00;21;44;07 - 00;21;46;11
Mark
But Murdoch treats her badly here.
00;21;46;16 - 00;21;49;01
Sarah
When they're doing the honey trap from the very beginning.
00;21;49;01 - 00;21;51;02
Mark
Almost from the very beginning.
00;21;51;05 - 00;21;56;15
Sarah
I just think that's just Murdoch. He's like, we got a job. This is important. Forget we're saving lives.
00;21;56;15 - 00;21;59;01
Mark
He forgets the human element of things here.
00;21;59;01 - 00;22;19;22
Sarah
He forgets she's not a cop. Yeah, So she's not completely on board? Yes. With the process, like everybody else is. Yeah. Doing whatever they've got to do to catch a killer. And, you know, she. She needs to be swayed and made me feel comfortable. Yes, you. Julia offers Tom some help. Like, what's going on.
00;22;19;22 - 00;22;22;06
Mark
Is not your attempt at humor. Oh, no.
00;22;22;08 - 00;22;28;17
Sarah
I don't need your help. And she goes, My morgue is always open.
00;22;28;19 - 00;22;34;00
Mark
And he's like, I don't need your attempts at humor. Yes, you do. Julia Again, He's killing it.
00;22;34;02 - 00;22;38;13
Sarah
She's funny and she's being nice. Yes, Mr. Crumby Pants.
00;22;38;18 - 00;22;47;08
Mark
Okay. The written out Morse code information. First of all, why would you write out Morse code? Like you would write out?
00;22;47;14 - 00;22;48;07
Sarah
You would translate.
00;22;48;07 - 00;22;50;02
Mark
It. You would translate it.
00;22;50;04 - 00;23;02;25
Sarah
But I don't I assume that it's not that it's being like read typed that these are the transcripts of the incoming messages that are just automatically printed. Maybe that's the only thing that makes sense.
00;23;02;27 - 00;23;17;24
Mark
It says on the sheets Great Northern western Telegraph Company of Canada operating the lines of on the lines of the Montreal Dominion and Manitoba telegraph companies. So again, they're using multiple yeah, these lines.
00;23;17;25 - 00;23;23;29
Sarah
But you're talking about the cards in Veronica's box. Yes. Okay. But you've skipped a line of the episode.
00;23;24;01 - 00;23;25;09
Mark
Oh, what's going on in the episode?
00;23;25;09 - 00;23;26;26
Sarah
Crabtree invents the Internet.
00;23;27;00 - 00;23;30;22
Mark
Does he invent the Internet before or after this? He does it after this.
00;23;30;22 - 00;23;34;23
Sarah
It's like a web. It could be anywhere in the city, for that matter. This could be.
00;23;34;23 - 00;23;39;05
Mark
World wide where?
00;23;39;07 - 00;23;45;26
Sarah
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yes. Anachronism alert. Yes. Click, you know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge ami. Clever ami clever.
00;23;45;26 - 00;23;49;03
Mark
Yeah, it's absolutely the Victorian.
00;23;49;06 - 00;24;07;25
Sarah
And Bracken reads being. Are you talking to my wife? You're looking at me. What's that elephant doing in here? What are you talking about? Why do you have horns? Who am I? What's my name? I think he's losing it. It's not just edgy. He's crazy. A K, which is the signature for all of these flirty messages, which.
00;24;07;26 - 00;24;11;16
Mark
Okay, so the pieces of paper have Morse code on.
00;24;11;16 - 00;24;12;04
Sarah
Yeah.
00;24;12;04 - 00;24;17;00
Mark
And it says from and dot dash dashed. Yeah. That says a.k.a..
00;24;17;03 - 00;24;18;07
Sarah
It's translated there.
00;24;18;13 - 00;24;18;29
Mark
No, no.
00;24;18;29 - 00;24;19;17
Sarah
Oh okay.
00;24;19;24 - 00;24;22;03
Mark
The it it actually is the right Morse code.
00;24;22;07 - 00;24;24;01
Sarah
Oh I would expect them to do that.
00;24;24;01 - 00;24;30;03
Mark
And then the two is for S Williams. Okay. Not V Williams.
00;24;30;06 - 00;24;30;23
Sarah
Okay.
00;24;30;25 - 00;24;32;25
Mark
Which I don't know what happened there.
00;24;32;28 - 00;24;35;23
Sarah
Maybe Veronica is her middle name. It's really like Sally.
00;24;35;23 - 00;24;47;00
Mark
Veronica Williams Characters names change at the last moment. Yeah, they get the date right. It's 925, so it's September 25th, right? And then the node goes off the rails.
00;24;47;02 - 00;24;56;17
Sarah
Let me just be clear here for the listeners. You know this because you paused it and you translated the Morse code. Yes. From the card that they show. Yes.
00;24;56;20 - 00;25;00;26
Mark
It did indeed. Now, I don't know Morse code, so I tapped into a morse code generator.
00;25;01;01 - 00;25;04;23
Sarah
What is. You did it twice. And what does it say when it goes off the rails?
00;25;04;23 - 00;25;08;25
Mark
H s wb wa0 and s.
00;25;09;00 - 00;25;10;03
Sarah
Just random dots and.
00;25;10;03 - 00;25;13;05
Mark
Dashes s g c c h and.
00;25;13;05 - 00;25;16;16
Sarah
I think we get it. The message. It's a secret code. Mark.
00;25;16;19 - 00;25;28;19
Mark
Now, what I did notice it is a bugaboo in this episode is the note that Enid reads from and then she puts it down and then she reads from another note. It is the same.
00;25;28;22 - 00;25;30;10
Sarah
Oh, they're identical. They only mocked up.
00;25;30;10 - 00;25;31;09
Mark
One card.
00;25;31;11 - 00;25;37;03
Sarah
And make out multiple copies. Yeah. Oh, you're so persnickety. I am with the paper problem.
00;25;37;07 - 00;25;40;07
Mark
How could they find love over the wire?
00;25;40;09 - 00;25;45;18
Sarah
Especially with Kingsley Adams, who was paunchy and pale like Doe, according to Beth.
00;25;45;21 - 00;25;49;24
Mark
Again, why does Beth not just run away?
00;25;49;25 - 00;25;59;07
Sarah
I know that's like, Oh, they found Veronica. They were always going to find her. It's not like she hid her body real well. It's time for me to leave.
00;25;59;10 - 00;25;59;29
Mark
Yes.
00;26;00;03 - 00;26;10;13
Sarah
She could. She could have just gone. Yeah, but she didn't. Instead, she's pretending to be Kingsley Adams and getting money from all the ladies running her little catfish scam over the telegraph.
00;26;10;20 - 00;26;15;10
Mark
Yeah, she's totally like, okay, she is evil.
00;26;15;13 - 00;26;16;04
Sarah
Yes, she is.
00;26;16;09 - 00;26;20;18
Mark
She's greedy. She's murderous. Yes, she's jealous.
00;26;20;18 - 00;26;21;14
Sarah
Yeah.
00;26;21;16 - 00;26;24;08
Mark
She stages death scenes.
00;26;24;10 - 00;26;28;25
Sarah
Yeah, well, she. She puts her boss's body in a trunk in her room.
00;26;28;29 - 00;26;30;12
Mark
She is horrific.
00;26;30;13 - 00;26;35;17
Sarah
She's also the Hulk. Yes. I'm sorry. Gabriel Ryder is not a little man.
00;26;35;21 - 00;26;36;07
Mark
No, but.
00;26;36;08 - 00;26;39;16
Sarah
And she folds him in half and shoves him in a box.
00;26;39;18 - 00;26;44;14
Mark
She's a big woman. She's tall. Yeah. Got some shoulders on her head.
00;26;44;16 - 00;26;47;08
Sarah
Now that big bodies are unwieldy, man.
00;26;47;08 - 00;26;47;20
Mark
So he.
00;26;47;24 - 00;26;51;18
Sarah
And she's dumb enough to leave his cane sitting there. Anyway, so we're getting ahead of her.
00;26;51;18 - 00;26;56;10
Mark
He had a bunch of women on the line. Yeah, right. Kingsley, Amos, or whatever his name.
00;26;56;10 - 00;26;57;03
Sarah
Is, Adams.
00;26;57;04 - 00;27;03;01
Mark
Adams. And quite the Lethal Trio. Do you know where Lothario comes from?
00;27;03;07 - 00;27;04;07
Sarah
No.
00;27;04;10 - 00;27;22;22
Mark
It comes from a play called the Fair Penitent from 17 03a Tragedy by Nicholas Rowe in the play Lothario is a notorious seducer, extremely attractive, but with a haughty, unfeeling scoundrel beneath his charming exterior heart.
00;27;22;28 - 00;27;27;20
Sarah
H a huge t y, right? Yes. Not hottie h t.
00;27;27;23 - 00;27;30;04
Mark
He seduces Calista.
00;27;30;06 - 00;27;33;13
Sarah
It's like he's. He's a hottie. Yeah.
00;27;33;15 - 00;27;39;00
Mark
He seduces closer and unfaithful wife. And later, the fair penitent of the title.
00;27;39;02 - 00;27;42;18
Sarah
This sounds like a knockoff of a Shakespeare play.
00;27;42;18 - 00;27;47;18
Mark
Yeah. I'm thinking this role was kind of Shakespeare influence.
00;27;47;21 - 00;27;53;13
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. He's in the early 1700s. Yeah. So he's 40, 50 years after that.
00;27;53;19 - 00;27;58;07
Mark
But that comes into the vernacular because of authority of the character.
00;27;58;07 - 00;28;05;19
Sarah
Like saying somebody is in the Jago. Yes. You know. Yeah. You're quite the Hamlet. What does that mean? Don't be all feeling with me.
00;28;05;25 - 00;28;11;19
Mark
He said he was from Ottawa. We're all punchy and pale. Like, don't people?
00;28;11;21 - 00;28;34;18
Sarah
Okay, let's be honest. When they find his body, he might be bloated and whatever, but he does look a little pale. Indo he. He does. Okay, let's let's debate this. So we may we may not even have a debate. Is Murdoch wrong to tell Enid to fill in with? I'm a widow and I have a son. Is he wrong to do that when she's doing the tippy tap for the honey trap?
00;28;34;22 - 00;28;39;23
Mark
Okay, so they make a honey trap where they pretend to be this perfect woman.
00;28;39;23 - 00;28;40;09
Sarah
Molly.
00;28;40;09 - 00;28;50;13
Mark
With hips and intellectual. Yes, in large enough. Molly. If they had kept it to that, I think it would have been fine.
00;28;50;14 - 00;28;51;10
Sarah
Kept it to what?
00;28;51;12 - 00;28;55;23
Mark
To that Molly and none of Enid's detail.
00;28;55;26 - 00;28;56;15
Sarah
Hmm.
00;28;56;18 - 00;29;13;21
Mark
I think that Murdoch pressuring her to give details about her life. Mm hmm. Because he kind of uses her life. He kind of doesn't like. She's like, What do I say? And he just says, Oh, he doesn't say, Use your stuff. He uses her stuff.
00;29;13;22 - 00;29;15;07
Sarah
Mm hmm. You think he's wrong?
00;29;15;09 - 00;29;19;02
Mark
I think he's wrong because he puts the boy in danger.
00;29;19;04 - 00;29;30;12
Sarah
He only puts the boy in danger because the killer figures out who it is. Enid acts like she's the only widow with a child. And all of Toronto agreed.
00;29;30;18 - 00;29;42;06
Mark
And she is seen now as overreacting. But when the killer says Olwen. Mm hmm. You realize that Murdoch has opened her up to so much more.
00;29;42;06 - 00;30;04;17
Sarah
Okay, but let's be honest. Nobody was going to keep a secret from Beth that they were doing that. No. Right. Because Beth is her friend and works in the telegraph office and knew the first victim. So she could have easily just known that that's what Enid was doing. Yeah. It's not. I don't think her saying that she's a widow with a son gives her away.
00;30;04;21 - 00;30;07;11
Sarah
What gives her away is that the killer knows her.
00;30;07;12 - 00;30;16;09
Mark
I don't think so either. But they're setting it up that. That because, remember, we don't know it's her. Go back to the first time you've seen this.
00;30;16;11 - 00;30;26;21
Sarah
No, I'm just saying the only reason why her saying that she's a widow with a son is dangerous is because the killer already knows her. And so it doesn't really matter that she does that the killer knows her anyway.
00;30;26;26 - 00;30;44;05
Mark
No. And I'm saying it's just set up so that later we get that moment of suspense when when we know who the killer is and we know why she knows Alan. But when you're first watching this, you don't. Yeah, well, unless you're paying attention, it's just like.
00;30;44;05 - 00;30;50;09
Sarah
I just don't think at this point a reason to believe that she's giving away personal information that's going to be able to identify her.
00;30;50;09 - 00;30;57;19
Mark
At this point. I don't think so. Yeah. And so she's uncomfortable and it's made to look that she's needlessly uncomfortable.
00;30;57;19 - 00;31;06;14
Sarah
I think she is. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. At this point. She is needlessly uncomfortable. Now, when the killer says all in, holy moly, the alarms go off.
00;31;06;14 - 00;31;08;24
Mark
Well, I think they're just ramping it up to that.
00;31;08;24 - 00;31;14;17
Sarah
Yeah. Then I understand her reaction. Meanwhile, Julia is daydreaming about kissing Murdoch.
00;31;14;19 - 00;31;16;17
Mark
Joyce She does have the daydreams.
00;31;16;20 - 00;31;20;21
Sarah
While she's standing right in front of him, looking him in the eye. Uh.
00;31;20;23 - 00;31;22;07
Mark
What's the question again?
00;31;22;07 - 00;31;33;21
Sarah
Ruth Murdoch. Julia, are you there? Hello? Hello? She's over there going. I'm to the air. Move away. Huh? Beth tries to throw.
00;31;33;28 - 00;31;34;18
Mark
Gabriel.
00;31;34;18 - 00;31;40;16
Sarah
Reiter under the bus by saying that Veronica was flirting with him, too. She was, though?
00;31;40;18 - 00;31;41;15
Mark
Yeah, like.
00;31;41;19 - 00;31;42;24
Sarah
So that's convenient.
00;31;42;25 - 00;31;47;03
Mark
Like he's a bad dude. Yeah, she's a worse dude.
00;31;47;06 - 00;31;55;13
Sarah
She's a way worse, dude. She's multiple murderer or worse, dude. He's just a typical male boss. This double standard.
00;31;55;16 - 00;31;58;17
Mark
This is our second male boss who's gotten away with crap.
00;31;58;24 - 00;32;07;13
Sarah
Yeah, but, like, was he sitting in his office telegraphing Veronica? Well, she's just out in the office like.
00;32;07;16 - 00;32;10;02
Mark
Did it it it it did. It did what?
00;32;10;05 - 00;32;19;26
Sarah
It's not. All I can think of was I just equated all of this to a chat room, you know, like they're in a chat room flirting, and that's fine, but it's the company chat room.
00;32;19;26 - 00;32;20;07
Mark
Yeah.
00;32;20;07 - 00;32;23;09
Sarah
It's just a writer. Yeah. So that's kind of weird.
00;32;23;13 - 00;32;32;13
Mark
Speaking of weird, we have the injection non. So Julie is arrived with the gold.
00;32;32;15 - 00;32;38;07
Sarah
She intercepts it from Crabtree. Yeah. Does your medicine come in a bespoke wooden box?
00;32;38;09 - 00;32;38;27
Mark
Actually, it.
00;32;38;27 - 00;32;46;07
Sarah
Does. Oh, mine doesn't. Is that why our co-pays are so high? That would explain a lot. That's why you're a CVS for so long.
00;32;46;10 - 00;32;50;24
Mark
Okay, so he doesn't want her to give him the injection.
00;32;50;24 - 00;32;53;09
Sarah
Nobody sees my backside except my wife.
00;32;53;11 - 00;32;55;12
Mark
But then he's like, Crabtree, get in here.
00;32;55;12 - 00;33;05;24
Sarah
You can see my backside. But you are Crabtree giving you a shot. I know the way he's been acting, the way Brackenbury has been acting. I think Crabtree would be like, Oh, yeah, one, two, now.
00;33;05;27 - 00;33;10;18
Mark
And then he says this weird thing about He's a man to ride the river with.
00;33;10;21 - 00;33;11;29
Sarah
No idea.
00;33;12;02 - 00;33;15;15
Mark
Why do high as a kite? High as a kite.
00;33;15;18 - 00;33;25;22
Sarah
After an injection of cocaine? Who knows what you're going to say? Yeah. He slams Crabtree into a wall. Yeah, poor Crabtree. Or he's just a little guy.
00;33;25;22 - 00;33;31;29
Mark
And we get here her saying, Enid saying, I'd rather you not use my personal information.
00;33;32;00 - 00;33;35;22
Sarah
I might get Doc to Murdoch.
00;33;35;25 - 00;33;37;01
Mark
And we're meant to.
00;33;37;02 - 00;33;43;22
Sarah
It's not like they named this honeypot character Mean Ed or something. They'll never know. It's, you.
00;33;43;23 - 00;33;54;22
Mark
Know, I may call her mean it for me. And we're supposed to be on Murdoch's side here and then the switch comes, right? Yeah, that we know what's going on.
00;33;54;28 - 00;33;59;23
Sarah
Well, the AK mentions Allen's name. Yeah. Says it's not nice to lie.
00;33;59;24 - 00;34;14;02
Mark
How do you end the scene in the detective show? There's another body. So then we go to the next dead body and. Wow. First of all, do you think that's a dude or do you think it's a or fake thing?
00;34;14;07 - 00;34;18;26
Sarah
Are you talking about Kingsley Adams? Kingsley Yeah, it's a dude.
00;34;18;26 - 00;34;19;15
Mark
It's a dude.
00;34;19;16 - 00;34;30;01
Sarah
It's a they've dug a very, very shallow hole. Yeah, they've rubbed dirt all over a guy all over with black paint. Yeah. And he's laying real still. Yeah. And he's great.
00;34;30;04 - 00;34;31;02
Mark
He's very.
00;34;31;02 - 00;34;34;13
Sarah
Good. But his business card, his calling card is pristine.
00;34;34;13 - 00;34;37;05
Mark
Yes. And is there three?
00;34;37;05 - 00;34;39;23
Sarah
We his pocket keeps it from getting dirty.
00;34;39;23 - 00;34;41;26
Mark
Yeah. I would not want to touch him.
00;34;41;26 - 00;34;46;21
Sarah
This is a giant clue that Beth is the killer. Because though she's the Hulk, she doesn't like to dig.
00;34;46;23 - 00;34;47;21
Mark
No, she.
00;34;47;21 - 00;34;49;03
Sarah
Doesn't even completely bury.
00;34;49;03 - 00;34;51;02
Mark
Him.
00;34;51;04 - 00;34;56;07
Sarah
She likes cups the ground with her foot and says, That's good enough. Put him in there.
00;34;56;10 - 00;35;00;03
Mark
And how do we know this? Kingsley Amis is Kingsley's.
00;35;00;03 - 00;35;00;20
Sarah
Adam.
00;35;00;20 - 00;35;04;19
Mark
Kingsley. How do we know Kingsley Adams is not only has a.
00;35;04;19 - 00;35;07;28
Sarah
Card, he's a pudgy doughboy, but now he's black instead of pale.
00;35;08;02 - 00;35;10;16
Mark
But the dental records confirm.
00;35;10;16 - 00;35;11;02
Sarah
Yes.
00;35;11;02 - 00;35;15;06
Mark
Yes. And I was like, Did they have dental records there? They confirm that.
00;35;15;06 - 00;35;22;15
Sarah
Well, if they knew who is dentist was, they could compare the work that he had done to the teeth and in the body to see if they're the same.
00;35;22;15 - 00;35;27;26
Mark
And this was of regular use with police and identifying bodies at this time.
00;35;27;26 - 00;35;29;18
Sarah
Only four people who went to the dentist.
00;35;29;18 - 00;35;30;03
Mark
Only for.
00;35;30;03 - 00;35;32;21
Sarah
People, which was like, what, six? Seven people.
00;35;32;23 - 00;35;34;01
Mark
I don't know.
00;35;34;04 - 00;35;36;08
Sarah
Because they still had the foot drawer at this point.
00;35;36;13 - 00;35;42;29
Mark
But I did come up with an interesting fact about identification of teeth and bodies.
00;35;42;29 - 00;35;43;12
Sarah
Yeah.
00;35;43;12 - 00;35;56;13
Mark
So in the Battle of Breed's Hill and Boston, okay, Dr. Joseph Warren was killed in the year 1776. His face was not available to be identified.
00;35;56;15 - 00;36;00;06
Sarah
That's a statement. So face was not available.
00;36;00;06 - 00;36;03;03
Mark
Suffering from a fatal head wound.
00;36;03;05 - 00;36;07;01
Sarah
Somebody borrowed his face and we couldn't get it back in time.
00;36;07;03 - 00;36;07;29
Mark
Well.
00;36;08;02 - 00;36;13;00
Sarah
I hope nobody ever says that about me. Her face was not available.
00;36;13;03 - 00;36;25;28
Mark
It's bad business. It's a dentist whose name you might remember. Paul Revere identified Dr. Warren's dead body by the small denture he had fabricated for him.
00;36;26;04 - 00;36;32;06
Sarah
Now that I understand, because back when dentures were handmade like that, you'd put your initial on it.
00;36;32;06 - 00;36;41;27
Mark
Yep. As identification made, Paul Revere made possible to bury Dr. Warren. April eight, 1776, with full military honors.
00;36;41;28 - 00;36;43;02
Sarah
That's awesome. Yeah.
00;36;43;04 - 00;36;45;03
Mark
Paul Revere using the dental.
00;36;45;06 - 00;36;52;23
Sarah
He's the man. The man who put his stamp on probably was Silver mounts. Yeah. I wonder if he made George Washington's dentures.
00;36;52;26 - 00;36;56;17
Mark
I don't know. He was in Boston, not not Washington. Walsh.
00;36;56;18 - 00;36;57;05
Sarah
Virginia.
00;36;57;06 - 00;37;03;02
Mark
Yeah. Some of the messages were even bolder, more explicit. I was in Hamilton.
00;37;03;04 - 00;37;06;19
Sarah
I want to see your ankles. Oh, the shock.
00;37;06;21 - 00;37;10;07
Mark
Alibi checks out. What are we going to do?
00;37;10;09 - 00;37;26;17
Sarah
Better place is trashed in such a staged way. Like she has a big glass oil lamp and it's carefully laid on its side. Yes. You know, like everything is just tipped over very carefully. Nothing is broken.
00;37;26;17 - 00;37;43;24
Mark
And in the reenactment, they show that. Mm hmm. I think Bracken Reed does a good job here where he says something's not right. I'm not acting myself, and I do need to own this. Yeah, And George says, Oh, it's okay. And he goes, No, it's not. Mm.
00;37;43;26 - 00;37;56;19
Sarah
Before that, though, because of writer's strike being at Beth's place, they put out the APB on Writer. Yeah. And Tom has a sketch now. I have a screenshot of writer's face and the sketch.
00;37;56;23 - 00;37;57;17
Mark
Okay.
00;37;57;19 - 00;38;05;21
Sarah
So that you can put them side by side in some kind of post this week because it looks nothing like him. It doesn't even have a mustache. She has a big mustache?
00;38;05;21 - 00;38;07;14
Mark
Yes. No mustache.
00;38;07;16 - 00;38;28;17
Sarah
Now it's a well-drawn sketch of somebody. Yeah, but it's not Gabriel Writer Which made me wonder, like, who would have drawn that in the station and what would they have based it on? Like, is there a super observant artist just sitting around drawing anybody all the time, just in case they need it? No. So I would have had to have been from a description.
00;38;28;17 - 00;38;50;06
Sarah
Right. So somebody described writer to an artist who drew him, and we kind of think of that as being, well, it's a trope now, but it's kind of a common, you know, with the eyes bigger or smaller, you know. Yeah, but do you know who originated all of that? Like where that actually comes from? It's not as old as you think it is because, you know, you think, oh, that's pre photography.
00;38;50;06 - 00;39;05;22
Sarah
Before they would have had photos of suspects or something, but it's really not. And the guy who came up with the concept of a sketch, kind of a fit sketch like that is a guy who did amazing things for crime in general.
00;39;05;22 - 00;39;10;25
Mark
Yeah. Did he? He invented the identikit, too. That Murdock is sort of.
00;39;10;26 - 00;39;30;12
Sarah
His name is Alfonse Burton. He was a French policeman. He was born in 1850 and died in 1853 and died in 1914. So he was at his peak right here in the 1890s. This was his his jam time and he came up with the anatomical measurements for identifying somebody.
00;39;30;12 - 00;39;32;29
Mark
Yeah, I think we've referenced him before with those.
00;39;32;29 - 00;39;51;15
Sarah
Yeah. So instead of just having a kind of rough description of a criminal, you'd actually have the precise measurements of his nose. Is this long, his forehead is this wide with the idea that they would then be able to sort people out by whatever measurement you had of somebody, it would help you go through your files and identify somebody.
00;39;51;16 - 00;40;05;28
Sarah
Yeah, but while he was doing that to compile all that information, he was taking a lot of photos of various features like people's eyes, people's noses, and he would have these big boards of a bunch of eyes.
00;40;06;06 - 00;40;06;17
Mark
Yeah.
00;40;06;24 - 00;40;28;07
Sarah
And then the sketch artist at the station was trying to make a sketch from witnesses testimony, and they thought, Let's show her this board. And she went, Oh, his eyes were like that, but not quite. Yeah. And then, oh, okay, now we're on to something, right? Yeah. So then he comes up with that identikit, right where you flip through the eyes.
00;40;28;13 - 00;40;42;23
Sarah
All the eyes, you look through all the noses and you, like, build a face. Yeah. And then they make a sketch from that. Yes. But then he went one step further with his awesome inventions. He. He pioneered Burton, pioneered crimes scene photography.
00;40;42;29 - 00;40;43;15
Mark
Oh.
00;40;43;20 - 00;41;04;16
Sarah
Before him, the photographer would show up whenever they showed up. Right. So the police could have been all over the scene, messing everything up. Whatever. And there was no uniform way to photograph a scene. But Burton said, we got to stop and we're going to take the same photos of every scene and then other additional photos. So he invented this super tall tripod.
00;41;04;20 - 00;41;05;08
Mark
Oh, yeah.
00;41;05;12 - 00;41;11;24
Sarah
Like that almost goes up to the ceiling. It's like a seven foot tripod so that you could take aerial shots of a crime scene.
00;41;11;25 - 00;41;12;12
Mark
Yeah.
00;41;12;15 - 00;41;16;06
Sarah
And he was the first one to put a ruler in every shot.
00;41;16;13 - 00;41;17;09
Mark
Oh, okay.
00;41;17;14 - 00;41;23;14
Sarah
So that you've always got something to measure things by in a photograph. You always know how big things are.
00;41;23;16 - 00;41;25;01
Mark
And he is the one who started that.
00;41;25;01 - 00;41;44;09
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah, but don't they even call it call it Bertie Panache? Oh, no. After his name or that Bertie on system for his measurement system, but his his early crime scene photos look like works of art. Yeah, it's weird. It's like with those miniature crime scene reenactments. Yeah, it's kind of like that, But they're that. They're real, But.
00;41;44;10 - 00;41;46;03
Mark
Well, you sent me one. I'll put it in the show notes.
00;41;46;04 - 00;41;56;29
Sarah
Yeah. So he was in Paris. So these Paris apartments have, like, the black and white check floor and mosaic floors, and there's a body laid out in a fantastic suit. You know, it's crazy.
00;41;56;29 - 00;41;57;10
Mark
Yeah, it's.
00;41;57;10 - 00;42;04;02
Sarah
Weird, but the pictures of the tripod are really crazy because they have a ladder on one side for Tiger for to climb up.
00;42;04;02 - 00;42;08;18
Mark
Well, when you sent me that picture, I was like, How did they ever take this picture? Now I know.
00;42;08;23 - 00;42;25;11
Sarah
So Enid's worried about where Alwen is and all this, and they assure her he's with the constable. And in my notes, I said, as he should be, because he's a creepy child and should be observed at all time. They didn't want to pay that actor to be in this episode. So he's just in Wissahickon.
00;42;25;11 - 00;42;32;05
Mark
So Murdoch is on the case because he's figured out that maybe she's not who she thinks she is.
00;42;32;08 - 00;42;43;02
Sarah
Well, when he I don't think he realizes that until he rescues her from the telegraph office. Yes. But, boy, when she wants to leave the police station, she really wants to leave the.
00;42;43;04 - 00;42;44;13
Mark
She does.
00;42;44;15 - 00;43;03;02
Sarah
I just I just want to go home. You can't go home. There's been a threat made against you. Oh, I'll go to my brother's. We'll escort you to know. I just have to go now. Yeah, She just runs out of there because she thinks. She thinks her latest victim is alive. She's like, Damn it, I didn't kill writer completely.
00;43;03;05 - 00;43;05;13
Sarah
And I'm sending an S.O.S..
00;43;05;16 - 00;43;08;09
Mark
And I'm like, Why did you run before?
00;43;08;11 - 00;43;25;23
Sarah
Yeah, that was that your only thought in the whole episode? You should go now, Beth. If you want to get away, now's the time when you should go. You have an opportunity to go now. So, Beth gets kidnaped, Murdoch frees her, realizes that the knots that are tied around her wrists are things that only that she would have tied.
00;43;25;23 - 00;43;31;12
Sarah
Right? And like, why would writer take her to the telegraph office and leave her right next to a telegraph machine first?
00;43;31;13 - 00;43;32;14
Mark
Makes no sense.
00;43;32;14 - 00;43;40;00
Sarah
I mean, that's pretty convenient. So she can send an S.O.S. can get me because she's just trying to frame them up. Yeah, because she's already killed him and shoved him in a trunk like the Hulk.
00;43;40;06 - 00;43;43;25
Mark
Yeah. Boy, she's huggy with Murdoch, too.
00;43;43;27 - 00;43;47;15
Sarah
I thought she was going to stab him. Yeah, I wouldn't have been surprised.
00;43;47;18 - 00;43;48;26
Mark
She's super huggy with.
00;43;48;26 - 00;44;07;06
Sarah
Them, so Veronica sussed out Beth was doing. Yeah. So Veronica had to die? Yeah. Then because of her? Because Beth was pretending to be Kingsley, he had to die. Yep. Then Rider is on to her. Well, she wants to frame him for. Yeah, so he's got to die.
00;44;07;10 - 00;44;10;18
Mark
So she's killed three people? Yeah. Over.
00;44;10;18 - 00;44;14;09
Sarah
Because we don't see Ryder dead, But he's not happy in that box.
00;44;14;09 - 00;44;18;04
Mark
Over a little bit of money. They kind of open the box and go, Oh.
00;44;18;12 - 00;44;24;28
Sarah
Well, they do say that it's the life savings of some of these women, but that doesn't have to be a lot of money. It just has to be all the money they have.
00;44;24;28 - 00;44;26;12
Mark
She's crazy.
00;44;26;14 - 00;44;27;13
Mark
Loony.
00;44;27;14 - 00;44;51;16
Sarah
Yeah. I love this scene with Tom and Margaret in the park. Yes, You see that Margaret is a match for him. Yeah. She's not just harping on him all the time. Yeah, they actually are a good pair. And she's not just like, you know, being, like, super anti alcohol with him. It's that she thinks that because he drinks, he doesn't pay enough attention to her.
00;44;51;17 - 00;44;59;19
Sarah
Yes, but you also see Tom's charm come out too. Yes. He looks nice in his suit. He's clearly put on something nice to meet her.
00;44;59;20 - 00;45;00;12
Mark
Yes.
00;45;00;15 - 00;45;02;16
Sarah
Trying to look his best.
00;45;02;18 - 00;45;05;21
Mark
And he says he can't bear to be away from.
00;45;05;21 - 00;45;10;04
Sarah
Her. Yeah. So they agree that he will quit drinking if she'll quit the Temperance League.
00;45;10;04 - 00;45;15;06
Mark
And then we get the first playful Margaret. Yeah, And that's the Margaret I love.
00;45;15;06 - 00;45;24;07
Sarah
Yeah. Like I said, she's a good match for him. Yeah, he's got a great sense of humor, and so does she. And we get to see more of her. And I like her, too. I think she's really well-written.
00;45;24;07 - 00;45;26;28
Mark
And then we get the scene in Rebound Town.
00;45;27;05 - 00;45;48;17
Sarah
Oh, Billy. Oh, there's something weird in the park. Tom and Margaret are walking along, and there's flowers in the foreground. I got a screenshot of this. Okay, do you know those big foam hands that people wear at football games? They have one finger up? Yes, There are flowers that look just like frosting. And they're right in the front.
00;45;48;19 - 00;45;58;29
Sarah
I know that's not what it is, but these flowers are made. They look amazingly like a big red foam hand with one finger up. There's a whole batch of. I'll put those there.
00;45;59;02 - 00;46;01;03
Mark
Show notes, the weird flowers.
00;46;01;07 - 00;46;02;22
Sarah
In the park. ENID Need some time.
00;46;02;22 - 00;46;06;08
Mark
Mark It was an eye opening experience.
00;46;06;10 - 00;46;20;22
Sarah
Aha. I got to know more about who you really are. A crime solving badass. That's who he is. Yes. Who will use you, if necessary, to Stop Murderers. Oh, well, he may just not be for me then.
00;46;20;25 - 00;46;26;17
Mark
In a lot of conversations in this episode, there's a lot of subtext that's handled really well.
00;46;26;18 - 00;46;27;08
Sarah
Yeah.
00;46;27;11 - 00;46;31;21
Mark
I need some time by myself. Welcome to Dumps. Town Dumps. Bill.
00;46;31;24 - 00;46;39;14
Sarah
I when when Julia and Enid meet in the doorway and Enid says Dr. Ogden, She says, Mrs. Jones?
00;46;39;18 - 00;46;40;00
Mark
Yes.
00;46;40;05 - 00;46;44;22
Sarah
I kind of wanted Julia to go. Are you leaving so soon? Did you guys break up?
00;46;44;24 - 00;46;46;02
Mark
You know.
00;46;46;04 - 00;46;50;12
Sarah
Like, just ask her a question that would tell her what just happened.
00;46;50;14 - 00;46;52;04
Mark
Yeah.
00;46;52;06 - 00;46;53;29
Sarah
I'm surprised you're leaving.
00;46;54;02 - 00;47;03;10
Mark
What I don't like is we get two more episodes of Enid going. Why did you do that to me and Mira going, I had a case, and then they break up.
00;47;03;16 - 00;47;05;20
Sarah
Yeah, and we don't care. This could easily be.
00;47;05;20 - 00;47;06;22
Mark
It just don't.
00;47;06;22 - 00;47;15;06
Sarah
Care. She could just go now. She needs some time. I don't care how long that is. Forever is fine. Yeah. Goodbye, Enid. And Julia says salvia is mean. I think of.
00;47;15;06 - 00;47;16;09
Mark
You. Yeah.
00;47;16;12 - 00;47;35;07
Sarah
She says I think of you. And he goes, Pardon? Yeah. Do you? Yeah. Oh he's waiting for is for her to show any sign that she doesn't hate him and that it's possible for them to get back together again. And then Enid is dirt. She's gone. Yeah, That's all Julia has to do. Yeah, but he's too dense to pick up on her jealousy.
00;47;35;07 - 00;47;36;00
Sarah
Meaning that?
00;47;36;06 - 00;47;36;21
Mark
Yeah, he.
00;47;36;21 - 00;47;37;05
Mark
Is.
00;47;37;08 - 00;47;43;18
Sarah
So I don't know what she's got to do to show him this is him on the head with that pot.
00;47;43;20 - 00;47;51;24
Mark
You know, they've done a good job over 16 seasons making murder more humane. Mm hmm. Right. Because he's pretty robotic here.
00;47;51;25 - 00;47;52;08
Sarah
Yeah.
00;47;52;08 - 00;47;53;10
Mark
And they just.
00;47;53;10 - 00;47;53;28
Sarah
Clueless.
00;47;54;05 - 00;47;56;12
Mark
Yeah, And that. And that's what he's meant to be.
00;47;56;16 - 00;47;59;29
Sarah
Yeah, it's his. He can't be good at everything. Yeah. Okay.
00;47;59;29 - 00;48;03;00
Mark
Best corpse, I think the guy in the swamp.
00;48;03;06 - 00;48;10;27
Sarah
Yeah. You go on with Kingsley. Yeah, me too. Because he's half buried, painted black. And look at all bloated. It can't be fun.
00;48;10;27 - 00;48;17;05
Mark
And this is one of those episodes that after the episode, is kind of like the bad guy goes to jail and everyone else is dead.
00;48;17;06 - 00;48;21;01
Sarah
Yeah, the end. Who's going to run the telegraph office?
00;48;21;01 - 00;48;21;22
Mark
I don't know.
00;48;21;22 - 00;48;27;16
Sarah
They're just going to have to bring somebody in from another office. They got two empty desks to fill. Maybe Enid will go back to work.
00;48;27;16 - 00;48;28;02
Mark
They really have.
00;48;28;02 - 00;48;32;25
Sarah
Because she supports herself, right? Because Veronica.
00;48;32;28 - 00;48;33;28
Mark
Kingsley.
00;48;34;01 - 00;48;38;24
Sarah
Oh, but Kingsley quit. Oh, wow. So they probably already replace the boss.
00;48;38;25 - 00;48;43;06
Mark
Yeah. So for people from that telegraph of magic going to on Monday.
00;48;43;10 - 00;48;45;21
Sarah
Corporate's just going to have to send in some temp dot.
00;48;45;21 - 00;48;48;04
Mark
Da dashed as past got.
00;48;48;06 - 00;48;48;21
Sarah
What does that.
00;48;48;21 - 00;48;51;16
Mark
Mean? I have no idea. You know what.
00;48;51;19 - 00;48;53;15
Sarah
That is, Murdock?
00;48;53;18 - 00;48;59;18
Mark
Dot.com, which is great tongue in cheek. I'm glad they didn't lean heavy into the dotcom.
00;48;59;19 - 00;49;11;00
Sarah
No, they other than the worldwide comment, that was pretty much it. Yeah. The whole idea that you can chat with somebody and you don't really know who they are and they could pretend to be anybody on the other end of the line.
00;49;11;00 - 00;49;11;26
Mark
It may be no.
00;49;11;26 - 00;49;13;11
Sarah
That's also true of women.
00;49;13;13 - 00;49;20;18
Mark
It may be surprising to people that that happened on Telegraph, but I think people are aware of that happening on Telegraph.
00;49;20;19 - 00;49;21;19
Sarah
Yeah, I think so.
00;49;21;21 - 00;49;28;07
Mark
There's all sorts of things about people speaking the death of the English language. Yeah, because of telegraph.
00;49;28;14 - 00;49;29;20
Sarah
What's episode 11?
00;49;29;23 - 00;49;44;02
Mark
Episode 11 is Let us ask the Maiden, which is the beginning of a long standing tradition of Murdoch's involvement with the Jewish culture in Toronto.
00;49;44;05 - 00;49;44;18
Sarah
It's a good.
00;49;44;18 - 00;49;55;21
Mark
One. Yep. And that will come out on September 25th. It's October, so we have two more episodes of Murdoch after that. So three in total and then Father Brown.
00;49;55;24 - 00;50;09;02
Sarah
Yep. In the meantime, check out Professor T, check out the Chelsea detective if you have any recommendations, books, movies, podcasts, TV shows, good mysteries that you found, send them along, will mention them on the show and recommend them if you like them. Other people.
00;50;09;02 - 00;50;10;05
Mark
Will absolutely.
00;50;10;08 - 00;50;11;16
Sarah
All right. Until then.
00;50;11;16 - 00;50;12;19
Mark
Bye, maniacs.
00;50;12;19 - 00;50;28;25
Sarah
Bye maniacs is a.
00;50;28;27 - 00;50;31;22
Mark
Mary.
00;50;31;24 - 00;50;32;18
Sarah
I try again.
00;50;32;21 - 00;50;33;00
Mark
Yeah.