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Weight of Manhood is hosted by Adam Smith and Ethan Ross. Two guys that met at church and realized they had a lot in common. They're both men who work hard for their families, they each served in the military, and most of all they love Jesus with all they have. This podcast is designed to be raw, up front about today's issues, funny, but most of all, unapologetically about Jesus - the true example of Biblical Manhood.
Ethan Ross [00:00:00]:
One. You can't clap anymore.
Adam Smith [00:00:05]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:00:05]:
Hey, try to turn that page. No, let's just try. So I'm see if you can do it.
Adam Smith [00:00:08]:
I can, I can do it. It just takes. It takes some effort.
Ethan Ross [00:00:12]:
It's a hurry.
Adam Smith [00:00:13]:
See?
Ethan Ross [00:00:34]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:00:35]:
Okay, we're recording.
Ethan Ross [00:00:36]:
Oh, yeah.
Adam Smith [00:00:37]:
Hi, I'm Adam.
Ethan Ross [00:00:38]:
I'm Ethan.
Adam Smith [00:00:40]:
Welcome to Way to Manhood.
Ethan Ross [00:00:43]:
That's right.
Adam Smith [00:00:44]:
So we're struggling a little bit this morning.
Ethan Ross [00:00:47]:
Yeah. Not because we're recording in the afternoon. It is in fact our normal prime recording time of 5:00am or earlier.
Adam Smith [00:00:54]:
Yeah. But we started our fast. Well, some of us started it a little early. A day early.
Ethan Ross [00:01:04]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:01:05]:
But we started ours at, well, 6:30.
Ethan Ross [00:01:13]:
6:30.
Adam Smith [00:01:14]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:01:14]:
Not 6.
Adam Smith [00:01:15]:
Monday. Yeah. Not as we intended, 6 as planned, but.
Ethan Ross [00:01:18]:
And it's 5:00am on Wednesday.
Adam Smith [00:01:22]:
Yeah. And Aaron just informed us that he's doing the fast with us and he started it a day early.
Ethan Ross [00:01:31]:
Well, he thinks he's at the point of confusion now where. Yeah, things aren't firing on all cylinders.
Adam Smith [00:01:37]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:01:38]:
So we had about a 10 minute conversation of trying to just figure out when he had started and when he was supposed to end it.
Adam Smith [00:01:43]:
Yeah. And the days all started running together. So without saying the rundown.
Ethan Ross [00:01:51]:
All right, it's time for how was your week Rundown.
Adam Smith [00:01:56]:
How are things?
Ethan Ross [00:01:57]:
Oh, man.
Adam Smith [00:01:58]:
With you?
Ethan Ross [00:01:58]:
I'm living the dream.
Adam Smith [00:01:59]:
Yeah. Every day's. All of.
Ethan Ross [00:02:01]:
That's right, baby. No, it was good until now.
Adam Smith [00:02:07]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:02:08]:
No. Well, a few things. My wife is. Is into the die free stuff and we hadn't really paid much attention. I guess we. We've been kind of.
Adam Smith [00:02:22]:
So. She is. But you're not.
Ethan Ross [00:02:25]:
I. I don't buy things for the house, so it doesn't matter. Only she has to be okay. But my son had a cough. My youngest son, my 2 year old had a cough for 10 days. We took him to the doctor. Well, we're going to go ahead and give him an antibiotic, which we don't like that either because it's not good for you. But anyway, we were like, okay, well, doctor knows.
Ethan Ross [00:02:50]:
So I went and picked it up and gave him his first dose, not thinking anything about it. And the next day, the best way I can describe it as he was rabid. Like he was like clenching his teeth together and biting his brother and sister, like punching everybody like he was going crazy. Just nuts. And we finally figured out, oh, this. Antibiotics from the doctor are full of sugar and red 40, which is annoying because you go to the doctor to get healthier, not less healthy. But I'VE been of the hope this doesn't turn off too many viewers, but I've been of the mind the last few years. I don't.
Ethan Ross [00:03:29]:
Modern medicine. I don't know about you anymore, buddy. And yeah, so we finally got him weaned off of that and now he's. He's pretty chill. He's pretty chill. He is a redhead, so maybe it just brought out his true nature.
Adam Smith [00:03:42]:
Yeah, redheads are different.
Ethan Ross [00:03:46]:
Yeah. Wife's 31 weeks pregnant. We live in a one bedroom log cabin and we're gonna continue living in this one bedroom log cabin for the foreseeable future with now four kids as of December this year. So there's that.
Adam Smith [00:04:06]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:04:09]:
I got some potential new clients.
Adam Smith [00:04:11]:
Good.
Ethan Ross [00:04:12]:
So that's good. And I'm hungry.
Adam Smith [00:04:15]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:04:17]:
You know, I said I wasn't hungry when I got here 30 minutes ago or so I'm hungry now. Yeah, I got my black coffee though.
Adam Smith [00:04:26]:
Yeah, he's cheating. But yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:04:30]:
What did you do yesterday? Adam, tell us about your rundown and then we'll talk about who's cheating.
Adam Smith [00:04:35]:
Loser. So that's good coffee since we. Let's see, since we were last together, which was Friday.
Ethan Ross [00:04:49]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:04:53]:
My wife was gone last weekend to women enjoy the women of Joy conference in. In Gatlinburg. She got back Sunday evening and Sunday evening our youngest grandson broke his leg. So he's a redhead. And I didn't, I didn't realize I had heard this. I didn't really realize until all that happened how much more tolerant of pain redheads are. And also it takes so much more pain medication and anesthesia for them.
Ethan Ross [00:05:43]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:05:44]:
So anyway, bless his heart, he's got a cast around his waist, down to his ankle on one leg and halfway down his other leg.
Ethan Ross [00:05:58]:
Yeah. Because it's his femur.
Adam Smith [00:06:00]:
Yeah. And that is very frustrating to a almost two year old. So. So we went on very little sleep really until. I don't know, the days are running.
Ethan Ross [00:06:22]:
It's Monday night.
Adam Smith [00:06:23]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:06:24]:
Because you texted me at 3 o' clock Monday morning, said you're on the way to the hospital.
Adam Smith [00:06:27]:
Yeah, yeah. So. And then I had.
Ethan Ross [00:06:35]:
Oh dear. What happened?
Adam Smith [00:06:36]:
Oh, I had. I had a procedure on my hand yesterday, so like an anti aging procedure or something. I slept a lot through. Through the night last night. I believe you struggled with sleep.
Ethan Ross [00:06:53]:
Yeah, must be. I didn't know we were allowed to have like morphine and sedatives. I would have. This could have been an easy fast. You also didn't tell any of us. So we're Trying to reach out to you yesterday. Adam's nowhere to be found. No, no, you sent one, which was great.
Ethan Ross [00:07:09]:
One passage of scripture in the morning to support. And then, you know, we're leaning on you for help, Adam. You've done this before. Help us, man. Nothing. Just silence. So we didn't realize we were having a fast from advice from Adam either.
Adam Smith [00:07:28]:
So, aside from doing a podcast that we hope the whole world watches, I'm a private person, you know, and you.
Ethan Ross [00:07:38]:
Do stuff on your own.
Adam Smith [00:07:40]:
Huh.
Ethan Ross [00:07:40]:
I thought we'd agreed to put everything comes to the podcast now. No vasectomies, colonoscopies.
Adam Smith [00:07:47]:
We're still getting back to that one.
Ethan Ross [00:07:49]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:07:50]:
Anyway. And that's pretty much been my. My week so far.
Ethan Ross [00:07:56]:
How you feeling your hand?
Adam Smith [00:07:59]:
It's okay. I. I don't think it's the. The pain medicine has worn off yet, so.
Ethan Ross [00:08:08]:
But is that why you're kind of.
Adam Smith [00:08:10]:
Good.
Ethan Ross [00:08:12]:
Spacy this morning?
Adam Smith [00:08:13]:
Yeah, that may have something to do with it.
Ethan Ross [00:08:15]:
That and 34 hours without eating.
Adam Smith [00:08:16]:
Yeah. Like a food.
Ethan Ross [00:08:18]:
So how are you feeling with. With that?
Adam Smith [00:08:24]:
I'm okay. The. Because I have done a fast before. I realize how much of it is mental.
Ethan Ross [00:08:35]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:08:36]:
And it's not your body needing it. You know, part. Part for yourself, buddy. Part of it is. Well, a lot of it is out of habit. You know, you just go to get something to eat and you think, okay, for one, I can't eat, but am I really hungry or is it just all in my mind? I don't know. Anyway, but I'm. I'm feeling okay.
Adam Smith [00:09:09]:
What about you?
Ethan Ross [00:09:11]:
I was kind of the same way until last night about.
Adam Smith [00:09:18]:
Yeah, yeah. You get. You have mental fog.
Ethan Ross [00:09:21]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:09:22]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:09:22]:
Till about 7:30 last night. Yeah. An hour 25. And I was like, I don't feel good. I had a headache and I was. I was tired but not sleepy and just a kind of a general sense of like.
Adam Smith [00:09:36]:
Blah.
Ethan Ross [00:09:37]:
There's a word for that that I can't think of now.
Adam Smith [00:09:41]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:09:42]:
On we. That's a good word for it.
Adam Smith [00:09:47]:
Yeah, I like that.
Ethan Ross [00:09:49]:
I think that's the right. Is that the right word?
Adam Smith [00:09:51]:
I believe so.
Ethan Ross [00:09:51]:
Okay.
Adam Smith [00:09:52]:
Yep. And so since I didn't have contact last night with the other guys. Did I hear your stomach growl? Did you hear that?
Ethan Ross [00:10:07]:
Yeah. Well, yeah, because he's six days into this five day fast or whatever. You good? Yeah, he's good. Yeah. It hurt. Does it hurt for y'? All Sometimes. Well, no, we're not as far. We're not to that point.
Ethan Ross [00:10:22]:
Well, I might be. My Stomach did like a big growl sometime last night. I was like, w. Yeah, it's missing food. I eat. I don't know if you can tell.
Adam Smith [00:10:34]:
Don't.
Ethan Ross [00:10:35]:
Don't do it.
Adam Smith [00:10:37]:
Keeping those thoughts to myself.
Ethan Ross [00:10:40]:
So the guys. Yeah, they. They're struggling. I talked to Josh and John Harris last night. They both called me and they're hungry. They were real hungry last night. Kind of just low energy, it seemed like. John Harris did say that.
Ethan Ross [00:11:06]:
I'm trying to remember now. What did he say?
Adam Smith [00:11:10]:
He asked the tea.
Ethan Ross [00:11:13]:
No. Yeah. Well, he asked me about the tea. Yeah. Which I'm drinking black coffee. I figured tea was fine. He said he's not going to put honey in it like he normally does, so. Just to keep the calorie restrictions in.
Adam Smith [00:11:23]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:11:24]:
But he also said that he felt like. I think this was what he said. Maybe I'm making it up. Anyway, it's good. It's good television.
Adam Smith [00:11:30]:
Yeah. Good.
Ethan Ross [00:11:32]:
He was real hungry, but his mental focus was a little clearer. No, no, that's not what he said. I'm getting confused. He said that he didn't have the crash in early afternoon like he normally does. He just. He was kind of in a decline all day, but never had that. That dip of like I'm. You know, you eat lunch and you're sleepy.
Adam Smith [00:11:54]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:11:55]:
I don't know. Real people experience that. How about you?
Adam Smith [00:11:58]:
When you normally. I don't. I generally don't. And. And it may be because I don't take in caffeine after like 7:00am yeah. So I don't know. I generally don't have a crash. Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:12:19]:
Later in the day.
Ethan Ross [00:12:20]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:12:22]:
What about Josh?
Ethan Ross [00:12:23]:
Josh is doing good. He's just hungry. But he. We were calling to talk about some other stuff too, and. But he seemed like he was doing okay. And I know Ryan texted the group a couple of times about being hungry.
Adam Smith [00:12:35]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:12:36]:
So I assume he's doing okay, too, and right alongside with the rest of us.
Adam Smith [00:12:39]:
Yeah. So on something that we talked about Sunday, you don't realize how much time and effort goes into eating, whether it be planning or just thinking about it or, you know, because so many times I will eat and I'm. As I'm eating, I'm already thinking about my next meal. Yeah. Next. You know.
Ethan Ross [00:13:11]:
Well, I wrote that down here to talk about later.
Adam Smith [00:13:14]:
Oh, well, my bad.
Ethan Ross [00:13:20]:
I think it's obvious sometimes that we don't compare notes before we start this podcast. We don't. We bo. We boo. Do. We do both have notes. Yeah. You've got.
Ethan Ross [00:13:30]:
I got two Notebooks. Look at me.
Adam Smith [00:13:32]:
Yeah, well, I know you got one. I've got, I've got notes written on the back of a. A bill and I've got notes in my phone, notes in my book. I've got stuff highlighted in my book.
Ethan Ross [00:13:48]:
We'll get to all of it.
Adam Smith [00:13:49]:
Yeah, well, sure we will.
Ethan Ross [00:13:52]:
Firstly, why are we fasting? Let me ask it a different way. How about that? If you weren't a Christian and you, you had no spiritual reason for doing this, or even if you were a Christian and weren't doing it for spiritual reasons, what would be. Why would you want to do it?
Adam Smith [00:14:15]:
Health purposes.
Ethan Ross [00:14:16]:
Health. Longevity. Yeah, that's what I put too, because. Well, like we mentioned the show Limitless with not Kristen Hemsworth like you called him. The first episode, Chris Hemsworth, they did the episode on fasting and the first. There's two seasons now. The first season, they did an episode on fasting and I didn't know any of that. I don't know any of that.
Ethan Ross [00:14:37]:
And there's a guy on there, Dr. Peter. How do you say that? Tia Peter Attia. I think it is a T, T I A. I started following him on Instagram last night, but he, he is going through the fast along with Chris and talks about all of the physical and mental things that are happening to him. But another reason why for me is I want to see if I can. I've never done it before and, you know, we talked about self deprivation being a good thing for men. I just want to see if I could do it.
Adam Smith [00:15:17]:
Well, how many, how many guys do you know? Or not just guys. How many people do you know that have ever done a four day fast gu.
Ethan Ross [00:15:29]:
And my buddy Chris Hemsworth. Yeah, I'll give you his number later.
Adam Smith [00:15:34]:
Okay. All right.
Ethan Ross [00:15:34]:
Met him in Australia. I was swimming the reef.
Adam Smith [00:15:37]:
Yeah. Totally lost my train of thought.
Ethan Ross [00:15:46]:
Okay, you want to move? Move from the. Why now?
Adam Smith [00:15:49]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:15:49]:
Let's talk about physical, mental and spiritual then. Physical. What's it doing?
Adam Smith [00:15:56]:
Well, from that show Limitless, you know, we learned that for one, it's reading our bodies of these zombie cells.
Ethan Ross [00:16:09]:
Yeah. Because we're glycogen depleted.
Adam Smith [00:16:15]:
Yes.
Ethan Ross [00:16:15]:
And they, they, they have to have glycogen. So zombie cells are what, the dead cells?
Adam Smith [00:16:20]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:16:20]:
That build up in our body and.
Adam Smith [00:16:21]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:16:22]:
Kind of just toxic for the rest of our.
Adam Smith [00:16:23]:
Yep. Yeah. They emit toxins that, you know, are hurtful, you know, to our bodies, so it's depleting those.
Ethan Ross [00:16:37]:
And I think he said around the day, switch between two and day two. And Tate.
Adam Smith [00:16:43]:
Tay. Three.
Ethan Ross [00:16:44]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:16:45]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:16:45]:
Day two and day three is when that starts to occur.
Adam Smith [00:16:48]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:16:48]:
So we're not there yet. Yeah, you got to keep going.
Adam Smith [00:16:51]:
Yep. And then the ketones.
Ethan Ross [00:16:54]:
Yeah. Also around day two or three.
Adam Smith [00:16:56]:
Yeah, that's. That's a big. A big factor. It. And correct me if I'm wrong.
Ethan Ross [00:17:03]:
Okay.
Adam Smith [00:17:04]:
I was wrong once.
Ethan Ross [00:17:06]:
What year was that? 1972.
Adam Smith [00:17:10]:
So the, the ketones.
Ethan Ross [00:17:15]:
The.
Adam Smith [00:17:16]:
The ketones they pull from the. The fat. Is that correct? Is that. Well, I'm just. I'm sorry, I'm just not thinking straight.
Ethan Ross [00:17:29]:
And I knew this before you asked me this question. So what happens is. Yeah, yeah. So when your body runs out of glucose in the blood glycogen, it has to switch to an alternate fuel source and it starts using your fats as fuel. Fuel sources. This is tougher than I thought it was going to be. Yeah. When you really start trying to think about stuff, it's.
Ethan Ross [00:17:55]:
You go downhill a little bit.
Adam Smith [00:17:57]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:17:58]:
And that. And so then the fat stores get. Again, I could be wrong. I don't remember now. Get turned into ketones, I believe, and your body enters a state of ketosis where it's running on these ketones as its energy source and burning the fat as opposed to burning your sugars because you don't have any more because you stop feeding your body glycogen. Well, glucose, which turns into glycogen. And again, tell me if I'm wrong in the comments.
Adam Smith [00:18:23]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:18:24]:
Just about this one thing. Not normally, please. No, I'm just kidding. We'll welcome all criticisms.
Adam Smith [00:18:29]:
Yeah, that's right.
Ethan Ross [00:18:31]:
Most criticisms.
Adam Smith [00:18:32]:
Yeah. They don't have anywhere to send it, so just send it to somebody else. Right.
Ethan Ross [00:18:37]:
Well, they can put in the comments on our YouTube videos.
Adam Smith [00:18:39]:
Oh, yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:18:39]:
Or Facebook posts or.
Adam Smith [00:18:41]:
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Ethan Ross [00:18:42]:
For the reviews on Apple or Spotify.
Adam Smith [00:18:45]:
Oh, dang.
Ethan Ross [00:18:46]:
Or Amazon Music. You go ahead and.
Adam Smith [00:18:49]:
So we can like and subscribe. Lots of critics.
Ethan Ross [00:18:52]:
Yeah, we can have all the critics.
Adam Smith [00:18:53]:
Yeah, Just.
Ethan Ross [00:18:54]:
Just subscribe before you start criticizing, please. Yep. Yeah. Another one is the cellular repair. So you're. The cells in your body aren't having to process energy like they normally do from the food sources, and they have time to actually stop and repair some. So the healthy cells, even the healthy ones need to need downtime. Same same way we sleep at night.
Ethan Ross [00:19:16]:
They need some downtime. So that's helping that. And then on the negative side, I'm real tired.
Adam Smith [00:19:25]:
Well. And I liked what I re. Watched that episode. I think we all did in the Last couple.
Ethan Ross [00:19:33]:
Some of us. More than once.
Adam Smith [00:19:34]:
Yeah. And how other senses are heightened at this point. Not so much.
Ethan Ross [00:19:46]:
Everything's just a roar.
Adam Smith [00:19:49]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:19:49]:
A dull roar.
Adam Smith [00:19:50]:
Yeah. And there's not a lot of energy, but.
Ethan Ross [00:19:54]:
But we're here. We made it.
Adam Smith [00:19:56]:
That's right.
Ethan Ross [00:19:57]:
There's enough energy.
Adam Smith [00:19:58]:
That's right.
Ethan Ross [00:19:59]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:20:00]:
But, you know, it showed the. The. The tribe somewhere.
Ethan Ross [00:20:09]:
The Hunza tribe, I think it is.
Adam Smith [00:20:11]:
Maybe so. And it's in Africa. Yeah. How, you know, if. If you haven't eaten in days, it makes you a more keen hunter, you.
Ethan Ross [00:20:25]:
Know, and your body's gonna use itself for energy.
Adam Smith [00:20:28]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:20:28]:
If it knows you're going to get it more energy, it's gonna give you what it's got.
Adam Smith [00:20:32]:
Well, and he said that your ketone levels go up with that adrenaline, that.
Ethan Ross [00:20:40]:
And the physical exertion. Yeah. Well, because in the show, he. I think it was day two or three. Day three. No idea. One of them, he plays underwater hockey. Didn't know that was also.
Ethan Ross [00:20:55]:
Josh challenged me to a game of underwater hockey.
Adam Smith [00:20:59]:
Let's go, buddy. Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:21:01]:
I don't. I know. All I know is from that show, but I'm ready.
Adam Smith [00:21:04]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:21:05]:
And he said the first half of the game he was just. Just flat. And in the second half he was good, got a burst of energy. And then he was doing dive training and stuff like that. And he said he kept having spikes in his energy. And Dr. Atia ascribed that to spikes in his ketones. His body's like, all right, cool, we're going into hunt mode.
Adam Smith [00:21:30]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:21:31]:
And then, spoiler alert, at the end, they actually go on a hunt, an underwater hunt. He goes spearfishing to catch their fast breaking meal.
Adam Smith [00:21:41]:
So you just ruined it for everyone that has.
Ethan Ross [00:21:44]:
I said spoiler alert.
Adam Smith [00:21:47]:
Exactly.
Ethan Ross [00:21:49]:
Listen, I'm already doing the fast. Don't make me deal with this too.
Adam Smith [00:21:52]:
Yep. Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:21:55]:
What do you think? Chris Hemsworth died at the end. Couldn't make it. Couldn't find that food. Sorry, I didn't mean that. Chris.
Adam Smith [00:22:04]:
Anyway, so carry on. What was.
Ethan Ross [00:22:06]:
You got anything else for physical?
Adam Smith [00:22:09]:
No.
Ethan Ross [00:22:09]:
Okay. Well, mental.
Adam Smith [00:22:12]:
Other than the fact that I'm not living in anything physical this week.
Ethan Ross [00:22:19]:
You're not gonna work out.
Adam Smith [00:22:23]:
I mean, I guess I could.
Ethan Ross [00:22:25]:
You know, actually, I've got a.
Adam Smith [00:22:31]:
Anyway, carrying on, I've got a client that's.
Ethan Ross [00:22:34]:
She's in her late 70s and she hurt her hand. You know what she's been doing? Coming to the gym and training.
Adam Smith [00:22:43]:
Well, what my doctor said probably wouldn't do it. I'm sorry. My doctor said I couldn't do it. Moving along.
Ethan Ross [00:22:51]:
Mental.
Adam Smith [00:22:52]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:22:52]:
How you feeling? Mentally?
Adam Smith [00:22:57]:
I've been better.
Ethan Ross [00:22:59]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:22:59]:
How about you?
Ethan Ross [00:23:02]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:23:05]:
Sluggish is. Is the only way I know.
Ethan Ross [00:23:08]:
Yeah. And I'll grab it. Yeah. And mental or was the. The one of the physical. Physical sluggishness is, it's kind of common for me. I get, I get just literally exhausted. But mental sluggishness does not usually.
Ethan Ross [00:23:26]:
I'm not usually plagued by that. And. Well, it's tough. It's tough knowing you need to think of something and you just can't think it. But hey, it gives you an opportunity to practice discipline. Practice discipline. Easy for me to say, huh? Because yeah. I was trying to help my wife last night feed our two year old son and trying to get him to eat and boy, his plate looked delicious.
Adam Smith [00:24:01]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:24:02]:
And then yesterday she had some popcorn and that's fragrant. Yeah. You can't hide from popcorn smell.
Adam Smith [00:24:11]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:24:12]:
So it's discipline because you guys wouldn't know if I went in and started. We're not checking each other's ketone levels. You guys would have no idea.
Adam Smith [00:24:20]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:24:20]:
None of us would have an idea if anybody was cheating on and which I think is cool for John Harris to even call and be like, hey, is this okay?
Adam Smith [00:24:29]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:24:29]:
Because we had, we had kind of discussed Sunday. The rules of it are you do, however strictly you, you need to do it. If you need to have some electrolytes in your water, you can do that. It's up to you. But no food, I think was kind.
Adam Smith [00:24:43]:
Of our.
Ethan Ross [00:24:45]:
One hard and fast rule, right?
Adam Smith [00:24:47]:
Yeah, hard and fast.
Ethan Ross [00:24:48]:
Get it? Fasting, like you said earlier, I'm realizing how much time food takes up and not just prep and eating and re. Prepping. I think about food all the time. And like you said, as soon as you're done with one meal, you start thinking about the next. And sometimes more than that, I'm realizing how much I think about planning food so that I can have my protein when I need it, so that I'm not too hungry. People are going to come over. You got to think about food. Speaking of which, are you ready for Friday?
Adam Smith [00:25:29]:
Oh, yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:25:31]:
So my kids were like, we get to go too, because big kids come, come home on Friday. And I was like, well, I don't think so. I don't think anybody else is bringing their kids. And they were just like.
Adam Smith [00:25:49]:
Well, I don't know, I guess we can talk about that one.
Ethan Ross [00:25:51]:
Okay. Yeah. It takes up a lot of time.
Adam Smith [00:25:56]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:25:56]:
What'd you have for your Last meal.
Adam Smith [00:26:02]:
I had two freshly cooked.
Ethan Ross [00:26:07]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:26:07]:
Ribeyes.
Ethan Ross [00:26:09]:
Oh, I thought you had some in the fridge.
Adam Smith [00:26:14]:
Then let's not. Yeah. So. Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:26:18]:
Now, I also had steak because my wife asked her parents. We did. Limited budget. She asked her parents. Hey, do you guys have any steaks in your freezer? Like, Yeah, I think there's some out there. Three years old, but hey, boy, that was delicious. And now it sounds like the best meal I've ever had.
Adam Smith [00:26:38]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:26:39]:
But no, so I had that and Mac and cheese and broccoli and carrots.
Adam Smith [00:26:44]:
Well. And I think, I believe everyone sent in pictures of their food. Last meal was.
Ethan Ross [00:26:52]:
Yep.
Adam Smith [00:26:53]:
And their weight, with the exception of me.
Ethan Ross [00:26:58]:
Well, because you were going to say what to say on the podcast.
Adam Smith [00:27:02]:
Negative.
Ethan Ross [00:27:02]:
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Adam Smith [00:27:06]:
Yeah. I normally, you know, run a certain weight within a couple of pounds, which is around. And it, It, it's. It's normally upper 190s.
Ethan Ross [00:27:26]:
Okay.
Adam Smith [00:27:29]:
Year before last, I got up to, you know, 204, something like that, during more of a bulking season. But my, My walking or walking around weight.
Ethan Ross [00:27:45]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:27:47]:
A low weight for me is 195. Yeah. Yeah. And. But I have, I've been stressed lately, so I haven't had much appetite. So it's, it's had a major effect on me to the point that I stepped on the scale and I was. It was just me in there and I was a little embarrassed.
Ethan Ross [00:28:10]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:28:11]:
So what did you.
Ethan Ross [00:28:14]:
Were you crying in the bathroom?
Adam Smith [00:28:18]:
No.
Ethan Ross [00:28:19]:
Hey, man.
Adam Smith [00:28:20]:
No, it's okay. Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:28:22]:
You're still my bulky buddy.
Adam Smith [00:28:23]:
Yeah, I. I'll get it back.
Ethan Ross [00:28:24]:
Yeah, that's right.
Adam Smith [00:28:25]:
Yeah. Hey, there. A season for everything and this fast, you know, I mean, I don't know if I want to get on the scale after this. Yeah. Because I, If I'm not mistaken, my first fast was a four day and I lost £12. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:28:51]:
So I was. Did you check last night?
Adam Smith [00:28:57]:
No.
Ethan Ross [00:28:58]:
Okay.
Adam Smith [00:28:58]:
You would have had.
Ethan Ross [00:28:59]:
Oh, that's right. Prop you up.
Adam Smith [00:29:02]:
Weekend at Bernie's.
Ethan Ross [00:29:03]:
You know that song brought me up beside the jukebox when I died.
Adam Smith [00:29:05]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:29:07]:
Or we. You made a reference and I ignored you. I'm sorry. Weekend at Bernie's. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Adam Smith [00:29:14]:
So. No, I didn't.
Ethan Ross [00:29:17]:
I did. I lost. I'd only lost like a pound.
Adam Smith [00:29:20]:
Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:29:21]:
But my body also hadn't switched into ketosis yet. Burning fat. So I was still feeding off that delicious, delicious ribeye. 80. Yeah, I had eaten or something like that. But yeah. The only other thing I had for men, for mental Was. It increases your mental toughness.
Adam Smith [00:29:42]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:29:42]:
Once you know you can do it, you know you can do it. This. It's another, you know, weapon in the arsenal.
Adam Smith [00:29:48]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:29:48]:
Not necessarily just the fast. Just knowing that you can deprive yourself of food for four days.
Adam Smith [00:29:52]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:29:52]:
That's a big deal.
Adam Smith [00:29:53]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:29:54]:
Because your body's telling you, go eat. I mean, my body's telling me, go eat right now. Go find some sustenance. Help us.
Adam Smith [00:30:01]:
Yep. Yeah. So prepares you for other things in life.
Ethan Ross [00:30:08]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:30:10]:
Because you think, oh, well, if I can do that. Yeah, I can do that. That's, you know, it proves to yourself that how much of a mental game so much of this is.
Ethan Ross [00:30:22]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:30:23]:
You know, just like.
Ethan Ross [00:30:24]:
Excuse me.
Adam Smith [00:30:27]:
Running, for instance. You know, a lot of what holds you back. Running long distance is mental.
Ethan Ross [00:30:37]:
Yeah. Because you start getting winded, and then you're like, well, I gotta stop.
Adam Smith [00:30:40]:
Yeah. Yeah. Once you get past that. Sorry.
Ethan Ross [00:30:47]:
Somebody had an alarm going off.
Adam Smith [00:30:49]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:30:54]:
What happened? The alarm cut the. Well, we lost everything. We gotta start the whole episode over.
Adam Smith [00:30:59]:
No, we're good.
Ethan Ross [00:31:00]:
Yeah. I just have to cut that in. What were you saying?
Adam Smith [00:31:04]:
I don't know.
Ethan Ross [00:31:06]:
When you get winded.
Adam Smith [00:31:07]:
Oh, yeah. When you're running and, yeah, you get winded, and, yeah. Your mind says, okay, you're done. You've done enough. But once you get past that, get your second wind. Yeah. It's all good.
Ethan Ross [00:31:24]:
Yeah. Okay, well, anything else on mental. All right. Spiritual. So I had a little bit of an issue with this because I was reading the Bible, which is good for us. Right. And Matthew 6, 16, 18. It talks about.
Ethan Ross [00:31:41]:
Pratt talks about fasting privately and how you don't put that show of anguish on your face so that others know you're fasting.
Adam Smith [00:31:51]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:31:51]:
It's the one who. Who looks as though he's not fasting, that is, Gets the. The reward. I had to kind of square that with what we're doing, because obviously we're hurting. We can. And I'm trying to hide it a little bit just so that I can be professional and presentable, but we're talking about it publicly and discussing how we feel. So I was trying to figure out how we didn't fit into that first category. And I think it's the intent behind it for me, because we're doing it as a group of men, not to be showy, but to.
Adam Smith [00:32:24]:
To help other men.
Ethan Ross [00:32:25]:
Yeah. Well, the whole reason for the podcast, we wouldn't do the podcast is not for us.
Adam Smith [00:32:30]:
No, it's to.
Ethan Ross [00:32:32]:
To share with other men and try to help other men.
Adam Smith [00:32:34]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:32:35]:
Carry that weight. And fasting helps you learn how to carry the weight better.
Adam Smith [00:32:38]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:32:39]:
So.
Adam Smith [00:32:41]:
Well, and I haven't told. I haven't told anyone I work with.
Ethan Ross [00:32:50]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:32:50]:
You know, I. Well, yesterday when I was, you know, get my hand done, you know, I didn't say anything to anyone then.
Ethan Ross [00:33:03]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:33:04]:
You know, I mean, that.
Ethan Ross [00:33:05]:
We had to go into that. Fasted a little bit, I guess. Didn't you?
Adam Smith [00:33:07]:
No, actually not. Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:33:10]:
Didn't they put you under?
Adam Smith [00:33:11]:
No, not. They don't.
Ethan Ross [00:33:15]:
They didn't anesthetize you globally, just locally. I'm fine. I feel great. Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:33:26]:
But no, I didn't. I didn't have to be put all the way under.
Ethan Ross [00:33:30]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:33:31]:
Yeah. And I just didn't. Yeah. I didn't say anything about it because.
Ethan Ross [00:33:35]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:33:38]:
Other than for this purpose. You know, when I've done fasts before.
Ethan Ross [00:33:48]:
He'S not imagining there really is a Nat flying around.
Adam Smith [00:33:50]:
Oh, there is. Really? Okay, good, good. Thought I was seeing stars, but when I've done fast before, I. Well, I told a few people, but people that are close to me not.
Ethan Ross [00:34:09]:
Not to get recognition.
Adam Smith [00:34:11]:
No.
Ethan Ross [00:34:12]:
I mean. And honestly, talking about it helps. Just talking through it with. With you, because you've done it before, so all the other guys talking about it. Talking. Talking through it with you helps. Mm. And then even.
Ethan Ross [00:34:27]:
Even coming in here and just talking through these things is going to help me because I'm going to remember this for the next couple of days and. Okay. This is why we're doing it.
Adam Smith [00:34:35]:
Yep. Well, and also, as far as spiritual goes, and I hope I'm not. I know you have a lot of notes on. On this.
Ethan Ross [00:34:44]:
Yeah. But it's a. It's both. We're co hosts, though.
Adam Smith [00:34:47]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:34:48]:
So you go ahead. Okay.
Adam Smith [00:34:52]:
It gives you a lot of time to, like you were saying, you know, read. Read your Bible and it gets you closer to God because. Yeah, it's. It's like. Okay, it's. It's me and you, buddy. You know, it's. It's.
Adam Smith [00:35:21]:
You know, I have to lean on him for, you know, getting me through this because I certainly could not do it on my own.
Ethan Ross [00:35:33]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:35:34]:
Yeah. I couldn't do it by myself.
Ethan Ross [00:35:36]:
Yeah. Well. And I had written down here, fasting shows what things you give comfort to before you go to God, and whether that's music, food, alcohol, whatever, other people, what do you. What do you go to. To feel better before you go to God. And then you made a point about how, you know, he's all you got Right now. And you're. You're feeling a hunger.
Ethan Ross [00:36:12]:
We feel hunger in all sorts of ways, but you're feeling an actual literal hunger right now for food. And instead of replacing that with, you know, satiating with. With food like you normally would, you're satiating it with time in the word, with prayer, with being still and listening and a little bit with fellowship from. From the guys. Because for me, it's helpful if we talk. Well. And you weren't there. You bailed on us.
Ethan Ross [00:36:38]:
But the rest of us talked last night around the normal meal time, six to seven, which I know you normally suffer at, what, 4:30 or so? Because you go to bed around six.
Adam Smith [00:36:48]:
Because I'm old.
Ethan Ross [00:36:49]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:36:49]:
Is that what you're implying?
Ethan Ross [00:36:51]:
No, no, no. But replacing the food with God. And that's. I mean, I think spiritually that's what fasting is about. We have all these health benefits, but when you get down to it, that's for. For Christians. That's why. That's why you fast.
Adam Smith [00:37:14]:
Well. And you're getting fed with the word.
Ethan Ross [00:37:20]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:37:21]:
And not, you know, actual faith.
Ethan Ross [00:37:25]:
And I was talking to somebody about this, and we were talking. Oh, I remember who, but maybe they wouldn't want me to say. One of the guys. And he was saying he's glad that it's timely. He's going through some stuff in his life, him and his wife, and we're all married, so they won't give it away. He's going through some stuff in his life where he's hoping this fast will lead to some answers. And that made me think, well, that'd be a great thing to do whenever you're going through something. Stop eating.
Ethan Ross [00:38:00]:
Give that time to God. And even if. Even if you're not reading or actively talking to him, just stop. Just be still and listen. Because he'll. He'll give you answers.
Adam Smith [00:38:14]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:38:18]:
So the last thing I had was, how does it. How does this relate to manhood? I mean, we've kind of hinted around it, but how does it all come together? And I kind of came to the point of a man who can't say no to himself can't lead anyone else. You can't say no to yourself. You cannot lead anyone else.
Adam Smith [00:38:39]:
Yep. And it also brought up the. The discussion about Leaders Ain't Last.
Ethan Ross [00:38:48]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:38:48]:
Which is another book that we want to. That we want to highlight, which make it part of our book club. We've got to come up with a different.
Ethan Ross [00:39:01]:
I asked Chat GPT to help me come up with a name for the Book club and Weight of Wisdom was a cool one, but it's too close to the podcast. Maybe. I don't know. We'll talk about later.
Adam Smith [00:39:13]:
Yeah, I shouldn't have said that.
Ethan Ross [00:39:14]:
I'm sorry. I've never read that book.
Adam Smith [00:39:19]:
It's. It's really good.
Ethan Ross [00:39:20]:
Um, but I. I mean, I've had bosses where if you had a group meal or even just going to lunch every day, they'll go before everybody else. I don't. I don't like that. I don't like that at all. And then I'm teaching mine, my oldest son, this. I don't care if you have food on your plate. We've already said the blessing.
Ethan Ross [00:39:45]:
If your mom is not sitting down eating her supper, you better not touch it.
Adam Smith [00:39:50]:
Yep. We. We went on a. A youth trip back a long time ago. I was one of our youth leaders at church, and we took, like, between 30 and 40 kids, and we were. It was after a hurricane, a tornado had come through a section of Alabama, and we went down and were, you know, just doing cleanup work and stuff like that.
Ethan Ross [00:40:26]:
And.
Adam Smith [00:40:29]:
The very first day we got there, it was. It. We were in a church, a big church, and the family life centers where we ate all our meals and ever everyone was in line to eat, and I stood up on one of the tables and I said, I better not see any young man in line in front of a young lady.
Ethan Ross [00:41:00]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:41:03]:
I was not very popular because I made that comment. But with the other youth leaders, that.
Ethan Ross [00:41:09]:
Says a lot about whoever. Whoever didn't like you for that. There's a lot about their. But their dads. Yeah, I'm just gonna say that. Yeah. Because if their dads didn't teach them that and they had to come from you, that's a failure.
Adam Smith [00:41:20]:
Yep. So.
Ethan Ross [00:41:21]:
But the other youth leaders appreciate it.
Adam Smith [00:41:23]:
Oh, yeah. Other youth leaders really appreciated it. So. But.
Ethan Ross [00:41:29]:
Well, that kind of leads into the book club for today.
Adam Smith [00:41:36]:
Okay. You have to tell me how because. Well, there's a little disconnect this morning.
Ethan Ross [00:41:43]:
Well, we're reading the Abolition of Man.
Adam Smith [00:41:46]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:41:46]:
Let's see. S. Lewis.
Adam Smith [00:41:47]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:41:47]:
And the first chapter is called Men Without Chests, and it's Men who really don't, at the end of the day, don't say what needs to be said.
Adam Smith [00:41:59]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:41:59]:
They don't stand up for the things that need to be stood up for. And we'll get there. It's kind of the end of the. Of this chapter.
Adam Smith [00:42:05]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:42:07]:
It was dense, and I suspect that. I mean, I. Even when it started, I had. I Was like, okay, I haven't read a book like this in a while. It's going to take some time to delve deep and. And get the understanding.
Adam Smith [00:42:21]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:42:23]:
But, man, it was awesome. Once I. Once I dove in. And I will say another thing that made me nervous and I think I talked about it last episode was the dao that he talks about and how he was going to reconcile that with his Christian values, because that's an Eastern philosophy way of thinking of things. And he did that, too. So how'd you. How did you like it overall?
Adam Smith [00:42:45]:
Just.
Ethan Ross [00:42:46]:
Just overall enjoyment of it.
Adam Smith [00:42:50]:
Overall enjoyment. I can't say that I enjoyed the read.
Ethan Ross [00:42:57]:
Wasn't light reading.
Adam Smith [00:42:58]:
No. And it was. I read it several times. But I was telling my oldest daughter, she and I were talking about it. She is an avid reader, and she asked me if I had ever seen Lord of the Rings. Have you seen Lord of the Rings? Okay. I have never. I did see part of one of them, but not the whole thing.
Ethan Ross [00:43:28]:
Okay.
Adam Smith [00:43:29]:
But she said that. So the guy Tolkien that wrote Lord of the Rings, I believe he and CS Lewis were best friends. Best friends, yeah. Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:43:44]:
And they had a. Oh, boy. They had a club. And now Fight club. No, no, Intellectual club.
Adam Smith [00:43:53]:
Oh, okay.
Ethan Ross [00:43:54]:
And now I'll never. I'll never be able to think of the club, but go ahead with what you were gonna say.
Adam Smith [00:44:02]:
But in Lord of the Rings, did you know that he based a character on CS Lewis.
Ethan Ross [00:44:12]:
That is somewhere in the recesses of my memory? Yes.
Adam Smith [00:44:15]:
Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:44:15]:
And I actually read that on the Art of Manliness.
Adam Smith [00:44:18]:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:44:20]:
Okay. Yeah. That's where I learned the most about their relationship. CS Lewis led Tolkien to Christ.
Adam Smith [00:44:24]:
I didn't realize that. Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:44:27]:
Yep.
Adam Smith [00:44:28]:
Well, I think it's that way.
Ethan Ross [00:44:29]:
I don't think it's the other way around. I think it's. Tolkien was like a lifelong. What's it called when you. When you think there's something out there but you don't know what it is? Agnostic.
Adam Smith [00:44:38]:
Agnostic, yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:44:39]:
Tolkien, I believe. And again, I could be. Could have them backwards, but I believe Tolkien was a lifelong agnostic and through his friendship with C S Lewis was led to Christ.
Adam Smith [00:44:50]:
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, sorry to cut you off.
Ethan Ross [00:44:54]:
Go ahead. The character based on.
Adam Smith [00:44:56]:
Yeah. So my daughter was telling me that he actually based a character called Treebeard.
Ethan Ross [00:45:03]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:45:04]:
Is that the way you say his name?
Ethan Ross [00:45:06]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:45:06]:
True.
Ethan Ross [00:45:07]:
Beard. Yeah. It's pretty simple. Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:45:08]:
Was based on C S Lewis, and he's an ant because.
Ethan Ross [00:45:13]:
Which is like a giant anthropomorphic Tree.
Adam Smith [00:45:16]:
Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:45:16]:
It's very old and wise.
Adam Smith [00:45:18]:
Well. And she said it was because it took him so long to get his point across.
Ethan Ross [00:45:24]:
That's hilarious. And how appropriate, because he likes to talk, doesn't he?
Adam Smith [00:45:30]:
Yeah, yeah. I. The other night, when I was rereading the first chapter, Man Without Chests, my wife asked me, she said, so, are you enjoying that? I said, no. No, I'm not. Yeah. But you know, there's a point behind it.
Ethan Ross [00:45:54]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:45:54]:
And I. And I get that. But I said, okay, let me preface. I. I want you to read this paragraph, but I. I'm going to preface, you know, everything that has led up to it. Yeah. And it was.
Adam Smith [00:46:11]:
It was only like the second or third chapter. I mean, paragraph in the.
Ethan Ross [00:46:19]:
In the book.
Adam Smith [00:46:20]:
Yeah. First chapter, I can tell you.
Ethan Ross [00:46:24]:
You mean to flip the pages because your hands messed up.
Adam Smith [00:46:27]:
Oh, here it is. It's. Yeah, I almost turned to it. So it's the second. Yeah, it's the third paragraph. And she read it and she was like, oh, my gosh. Yeah. Because it's.
Adam Smith [00:46:46]:
You have to reread it and reread it, and I have to mentally just block part of it out.
Ethan Ross [00:46:55]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:46:56]:
Skip from where he was saying something and then he rambled and then he went back to where he left off up here. Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:47:07]:
My secret for those really dense ones is to. If you're. If you're starting to get lost in the weeds, just read through it. Don't worry about understanding at that moment. Read a couple of pages later, come back to it, and you'll be like, oh, okay. He was just. It was just an. He was trying to get his whole point across and then discuss it, because then you can come back and.
Ethan Ross [00:47:27]:
And reread it, and it makes a lot more sense.
Adam Smith [00:47:29]:
Well, something I do. I will read a book, especially a book. Something that is a building book. A. You know what I'm trying to say?
Ethan Ross [00:47:51]:
Self improvement.
Adam Smith [00:47:52]:
Self improvement. Yeah. If it's something, self improvement, I will read the whole book and just read it through, not make any notes, highlight. Then I go back and reread it, and that's when I make notes and highlight.
Ethan Ross [00:48:09]:
You familiarize yourself and then deep dive.
Adam Smith [00:48:12]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:48:12]:
That's a good way to do it.
Adam Smith [00:48:13]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:48:14]:
If you get. My whole problem is I look at my bookshelves and I've probably got.
Adam Smith [00:48:24]:
A.
Ethan Ross [00:48:24]:
Couple thousand books, and I think, I don't have time to deep dive. I've just got to go. I just got to start reading. And then, you know what ends up happening? I don't read Them, I just don't read it all. I paralyze myself with inaction, you know what I mean? I paralyzed myself with. With the fear of not being able to accomplish enough.
Adam Smith [00:48:44]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:48:44]:
And then I accomplish nothing. But yeah, that's a good idea to familiarize yourself. Then go back in. We better. We better dive into it though, because I wrote four pages. I think it was a 17 page chapter or something like that or. No, 13 page chapter. And it.
Ethan Ross [00:49:00]:
Well, I've got an ebook, so it's. It's different anyway.
Adam Smith [00:49:03]:
Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:49:03]:
And I wrote four full pages of notes here. What about you?
Adam Smith [00:49:07]:
Yeah, I've got quite a bit myself. And I don't know how we're looking on time.
Ethan Ross [00:49:13]:
Yeah, we're about. About an hour in.
Adam Smith [00:49:15]:
We're an hour in.
Ethan Ross [00:49:16]:
Yeah, Roughly.
Adam Smith [00:49:17]:
Already.
Ethan Ross [00:49:18]:
Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:49:18]:
Okay, so how do we want to do this?
Ethan Ross [00:49:21]:
Well, let's just dive in. He begins with this waterfall story. And that's where it really work. Dove into the weeds for me was he was critiquing the authors of what he called the Green book. And he called these authors because he didn't want to dime them out. That's a modern phrase. Well, it was 20 years ago, I guess. Gaius and Titius and basically said he doesn't think that they did it on purpose, but they're ruining the whole world.
Ethan Ross [00:49:53]:
And the whole book is basically how they're saying the objective objectivism is not real. There only exists Subjectivism. Which Objectivism? Is there being a pervading moral truth. Subjectivism is the whole. When it's come up recently, my truth. And so it's kind of a complete and total moral truth versus individual truths.
Adam Smith [00:50:26]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:50:27]:
And is there one true truth? And that's what he ends up being. The DAO is, is the moral compass that exists innately within all of us.
Adam Smith [00:50:37]:
Right. The moral values.
Ethan Ross [00:50:40]:
Yeah, but we don't really have to get into all that over there. They had said that by making a statement, a value judgment about something. So the guy in the story said the waterfall was sublime, which means like near perfect, just a beautiful creation. And he didn't agree. He agreed with that, but said that the guy who said that the waterfall was pretty was wrong. It all wrapped up in. Basically the author said that if you make a value judgment, you're really only saying that about your own feelings, your own, your own emotional state at that time. And C.S.
Ethan Ross [00:51:19]:
lewis goes on to say how preposterous that is. He said you having sublime feelings doesn't cause you to say the waterfall sublime. You having feelings of Humidity, Humble feelings. You look at the waterfall and it's so perfect that it makes you feel imperfect. And that's what makes you comment on its perfection. And I think I've experienced that.
Adam Smith [00:51:44]:
Right.
Ethan Ross [00:51:44]:
You go out into nature and you're like, God, I don't know how you did this.
Adam Smith [00:51:48]:
Well, and some notes that I made was, you look at a baby, and I look at a baby and I see the. The. The sweetness, the innocence, the beauty. The, you know, just the. The creation. The. You know, it gives you that. That feeling of love and kindness, you know, and especially if you're a parent, that.
Adam Smith [00:52:26]:
That nurturing feeling. And where someone else may see a baby and that's a living organism.
Ethan Ross [00:52:38]:
Or sometimes you see ugly babies, too. You ever seen that?
Adam Smith [00:52:42]:
You can't do that.
Ethan Ross [00:52:43]:
You can't. Have you seen that episode of Seinfeld where they go see the baby and it's ugly baby like. Yeah, but. No. Yeah, well. And it makes you feel. In a world that's just chaotic and evil almost all the time, something's right with the world right here.
Adam Smith [00:53:02]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:53:02]:
Something is.
Adam Smith [00:53:03]:
Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:53:04]:
When you're in the presence of that just pure innocence, something's okay.
Adam Smith [00:53:10]:
Yeah, that's right. So. Well, let me just ask, because of time, do we want to keep going or do we want to.
Ethan Ross [00:53:25]:
Let's just dive in, man.
Adam Smith [00:53:27]:
Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:53:28]:
Yeah, I think we're good.
Adam Smith [00:53:29]:
Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:53:30]:
Braxton told us we could.
Adam Smith [00:53:32]:
Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:53:32]:
He said if we go a little over an hour, it's okay, but I.
Adam Smith [00:53:35]:
Think we could go for another hour, is my thinking.
Ethan Ross [00:53:40]:
You think we'd go for a whole nother hour on the whole. On the first chapter?
Adam Smith [00:53:45]:
Possibly.
Ethan Ross [00:53:48]:
Okay, well, how about this then? We'll just go on and talk about it real well. Now. Aaron's got to get to work, doesn't he?
Adam Smith [00:53:54]:
Yep. Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:53:57]:
So you want to do a brief overview? A brief overview of the chapter and then we can do a deep dive?
Adam Smith [00:54:05]:
Sure, but.
Ethan Ross [00:54:07]:
Well, no, you could tell me.
Adam Smith [00:54:09]:
I think we've done enough of a brief overview.
Ethan Ross [00:54:12]:
Okay.
Adam Smith [00:54:14]:
That's just my opinion.
Ethan Ross [00:54:15]:
You think we talked too long about the fast.
Adam Smith [00:54:18]:
Yeah. Yeah, but that's okay.
Ethan Ross [00:54:19]:
Okay.
Adam Smith [00:54:20]:
What are your thoughts on it?
Ethan Ross [00:54:21]:
Besides it just being dense, like how's it made you feel and how's it impacted, you know, your. Your many manhood so far.
Adam Smith [00:54:31]:
Yeah. See, that's deep.
Ethan Ross [00:54:32]:
Yeah. That's it.
Adam Smith [00:54:33]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:54:33]:
That's all this stuff.
Adam Smith [00:54:35]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:54:36]:
I didn't know.
Adam Smith [00:54:38]:
Yeah. Well, and. And there are a lot of.
Ethan Ross [00:54:43]:
Maybe we just talk about Men Without Chest the next episode.
Adam Smith [00:54:46]:
Okay. Sounds good to Me. Yep. And we got to thank. We're gonna have. During this episode, we're gonna have other stuff. The guys jumping in, spliced in. Yeah.
Adam Smith [00:54:59]:
So.
Ethan Ross [00:54:59]:
Yeah. Those nerds.
Adam Smith [00:55:00]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:55:02]:
Okay. Well, then we'll table this.
Adam Smith [00:55:05]:
Okay.
Ethan Ross [00:55:06]:
It's a good book. It's. It is dense. But if you guys haven't read it, please, please read the first chapter, because we really want to. We wanted. We want to share it with you. We want you to have. Have read it already.
Ethan Ross [00:55:17]:
When you. When you listen to that episode and it's worth listening to, don't think it's going to be dry and boring. It's. It's incredibly entertaining once you get down to the meat of it.
Adam Smith [00:55:24]:
Oh, yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:55:25]:
And it speaks. It could have been written with some of the archaic language. Maybe not, but it could have been written yesterday.
Adam Smith [00:55:32]:
Oh, yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:55:33]:
I mean, absolutely. When he told. When he talks about your truth versus, you know, yours and my truth versus the global truth, and then just masculinity. Masculinity. Being absent men, not having chest anymore.
Adam Smith [00:55:46]:
Trousered apes.
Ethan Ross [00:55:47]:
Trousered apes. Yeah. Or Urban blockheads was the other one.
Adam Smith [00:55:51]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:55:52]:
Yeah, it's good. Okay.
Adam Smith [00:55:54]:
Okay, well, we'll put a.
Ethan Ross [00:55:56]:
Put a pin in it.
Adam Smith [00:55:57]:
Yeah, we'll get back to it.
Ethan Ross [00:55:59]:
Awesome.
Adam Smith [00:55:59]:
Next episode. Anything else before. Before we sign off?
Ethan Ross [00:56:04]:
No. Look forward to a cool Veterans Day episode.
Adam Smith [00:56:10]:
Yeah, that's right.
Ethan Ross [00:56:11]:
If you guys have suggestions of topics, please.
Adam Smith [00:56:14]:
Yeah.
Ethan Ross [00:56:15]:
Oh, I. Yeah, email us. We'll put the email below. Or just comment on the video, comment on the podcast, whatever you want to do. Facebook, Instagram.
Adam Smith [00:56:24]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:56:25]:
We want to hear what. What you guys. What you guys have to say, and we want to talk about what you want to talk about, because it's.
Adam Smith [00:56:32]:
It's for y'. All. It's because of y' all that we're doing this.
Ethan Ross [00:56:35]:
Yeah. The Lord led us to do this to help other men, not to help ourselves.
Adam Smith [00:56:38]:
Yep.
Ethan Ross [00:56:39]:
So. All right.
Adam Smith [00:56:40]:
All right. So I guess we're signing off.
Ethan Ross [00:56:43]:
Yeah. I'm Ethan. This is Adam. Thanks for joining us for Way to Manhood.
Adam Smith [00:56:47]:
Y' all have a good week.
Ethan Ross [00:56:48]:
See you guys.