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Metal & Mellow Matty join forces to discuss all thing hard rock and heavy metal!
Evening, ladies and gentlemen and creatures in between. Welcome to Scrap Metal Podcast episode number 70. I am your host,
Speaker 2:Mettle Maddie.
Speaker 1:And to my right, yes, always to the right, the one and only, the biggest chooch of them are What? Mettle Maddie. Welcome back.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you. Shalom. Shalom. Good evening. Shalom and welcome.
Speaker 2:Another long hiatus for the Scrat Metal boys.
Speaker 1:Why do we always say that we're gonna get this under wraps when we never do?
Speaker 2:That's alright. We keep them keep them wanting. Keep them
Speaker 1:I guess so. Hot absence makes a hot growth on them.
Speaker 2:Right? When we pull some absences.
Speaker 1:We do. Do. Woo hoo.
Speaker 2:Christmas, I believe. Yes. I will say I still have my Christmas decorations up.
Speaker 1:It's amazing, guys.
Speaker 2:Tree is still here. We're fucking
Speaker 1:And witnessing this plethora of Christmas decorations in the March almost,
Speaker 2:and we don't have to push it ahead. Just keep it the way it is. Yeah. No reason because it fucks up your sleep too. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It fucks up. You know, it's everyone's kind of. Librium.
Speaker 1:Whatever you get going on. Yeah. Makes it worse or better, but mostly worse.
Speaker 2:I swear they do that on purpose. Just don't like to keep us. I don't like it. The man wants to keep us down and tired and easily controllable and easily manageable. Brainwashed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. It's not good. It just cut it off. If anyone's going to do it, Trump will get rid of this whole daylight. He will.
Speaker 2:Then just fucking with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Keep it
Speaker 2:the way it is. Like right now, keep just it where it is. In the fall, don't bring it back. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's like stuff in there's some states that don't even do it. Guess like Alaska and Hawaii don't even Yeah, fuck with
Speaker 1:because right now, like so in the fall, we fast forward to November. Yeah. Let's enjoy the summer for us. Oh yeah. Cold ass winds around here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, know. But I see it. Okay, so it'll get dark at 05:30. Yeah. Instead of 04:30.
Speaker 1:Right, right. Like why? Yeah. It's stupid.
Speaker 2:It's it never made any sense. It's still nine. Know they always said something to do with the farmers or something. I think they've been doing it for like a hundred years
Speaker 1:or something. Yeah, well guess what? Time Exactly. For a
Speaker 2:It's over Johnny. It's over. Nothing is over.
Speaker 1:Put him in a body bag, Johnny Lawrence. William Zabka.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Billy Zabka. The great Billy Zabka.
Speaker 1:The great Billy Zabka. Did you watch that? I did. I watched all the new Cobra Kai on Netflix. Excellent.
Speaker 2:Loved it. I didn't watch but I did see how it ended.
Speaker 1:It's really cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they killed Kreese, right?
Speaker 1:Kreese and Silva. Silva, yeah. Gone. Yeah. Died and blew up on the boat.
Speaker 1:So you can go.
Speaker 2:It's such an eighties like boat Yeah. Aspersion Yeah. I got like that little like throwback.
Speaker 1:Fucking people die in a boat explosion. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I I had that Baywatch feel to it.
Speaker 2:It did. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:But man, this is episode number 70. 70. The big seven zero.
Speaker 2:It's a milestone.
Speaker 1:It's a milestone in a way. And it's almost four years that we've we've, you know, launched this podcast.
Speaker 2:I believe it was 03/21/2021. It was. Doesn't that seem like a different time, right? Smack dab in the middle of a pandemic. I know.
Speaker 2:Everyone wearing and we wore masks for what? The first, like, 10 episodes when we did the podcast?
Speaker 1:Oh, We sure did. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I was in a bubble. I was so scared about
Speaker 1:Bubble and yeah. I had I had to give his water through a straw.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And he
Speaker 1:had to put a straw through the bubble and then fucking had a long ass throw, but they couldn't eat long.
Speaker 2:That's how scared I was of COVID and Yeah.
Speaker 1:But hey, we made it. We're here.
Speaker 2:It's 2025.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Four years in and I wish we had more episodes on our belt, but hey. That's all right. Seventy's still a lot.
Speaker 2:That's pretty good. They say like the average is like 10 episodes for like a podcast that starts. You know what I mean? Well, we're above average. We're still starting.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, hey, we're It's
Speaker 1:just a matter of time though before we Plug get on. Yeah. It's just a matter of time. Yeah. I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 1:No. It's gonna happen. Yeah. I just hope that, you know, it happens sooner than later.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, I think I think our fans out there, you know who you are. Still listening. You still enjoy us. Our take on things skewed as it might be.
Speaker 1:I know, I just wish that I always say I'm gonna be better and I have to be better at posting more things on our Instagrams and our socials. And we have to really get back. We really have to get on the cracking on the YouTube front.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we know. They wanna see our You
Speaker 1:keep saying that.
Speaker 2:I know. We've been saying it for years.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Do it. I know.
Speaker 1:And I wish we we have to get our heads out of our kulos and and fucking do that shit because it's getting fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 2:For our listeners.
Speaker 1:All talk, no action. That's true. I know. And the girls wanna see action, not
Speaker 2:the I want action tonight satisfaction.
Speaker 1:Alright. Is that poison?
Speaker 2:I was gonna say motley. But that's poison. Yeah. Was poison. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The great the great Cece Deville.
Speaker 1:Great. Have a great Cece Deville.
Speaker 2:Cece get on that guitar and
Speaker 1:talk to me. Good for that band.
Speaker 2:Cece. Yeah, he was. Yeah, was. He was great. He was like unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Like a
Speaker 1:hell of a guitar
Speaker 2:player. Shredder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he can shred.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But kind of good jumping point. Yeah. Transitioning into the
Speaker 2:our Seguelicious
Speaker 1:music Tidbit
Speaker 2:Extravaganza Machine's broken.
Speaker 1:Oh, sorry. No.
Speaker 2:There it is. Oh. Well,
Speaker 1:yeah. There's I mean, there's a lot of things happening in the world of music since we've last talked to you guys.
Speaker 2:In the three months,
Speaker 1:yeah. And I feel like the, well I think the biggest one will start with the biggest one. July 5.
Speaker 2:Oh that's right.
Speaker 1:Birmingham England. Yes. The Black Sabbath's final show with all original members. Yeah. With all these immensely talented great musicians and great bands that are gonna be there.
Speaker 1:Guest stars. It's something that Matt and I have talked about off air in Nauseam and we've discussed it and I think we're gonna be there.
Speaker 2:Yeah definitely.
Speaker 1:We're gonna find a way to be there.
Speaker 2:Yeah definitely.
Speaker 1:Because I have to be there. Yeah. I've always wanted to see Metallic and Tool play together in the same festival or same stage front or whatever, whether it's a festival or a
Speaker 2:Have they ever done that? They have. Had a
Speaker 1:power trip a couple years ago.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, all right.
Speaker 1:And I couldn't get out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But this year, this time I need to be out there and of course, I want to be where it all started. Heavy metal was born and bred through the eyes of Black Sabbath and the So vision of Black we need to be there for this. And we can maybe, I maybe if all goes well, we can even maybe do like an on-site kind of podcast.
Speaker 2:Do something. Yeah, definitely. We'll bring the, I mean, that's easy. We can just bring some little portable, you know, little recording thing. Oh, we have to do that.
Speaker 1:That's what
Speaker 2:we'll do. Definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We'll walk around and get some, yeah. Yeah. We're gonna walk around and get some interviews with people that are there and some insight of why they're there and why they're sharing, being at this spectacular Yeah,
Speaker 2:definitely.
Speaker 1:That's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2:Definitely. We'll take So
Speaker 1:Yeah. Stay tuned to the This will be our first episode on the road. Yeah. So hopefully stay tuned for that. Right.
Speaker 1:'ll be happening July 5 is the show. So probably like July 13 after that we'll have some things.
Speaker 2:And this is it. This is Sabbath. This is is Mecca. Yeah.
Speaker 1:This is the last Right. Harrah for these guys. Right. Because Ozzy And Iommi
Speaker 2:and Ozzy's wheelchair bound for the most part?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's pretty much chair bound, whether it's wheelchair or- Yeah. And it is a fucking throne.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Which he's well deserved. Gold encrusted throne. Yeah, so I think just the fact that you know Metallica's gonna be there, Toole, Pantera, Slayer, Ghost, Jakey Lee, you know obviously Wilde and Jack Black supposedly going to be there, Disturbed Dream, Dream Disturbed, Lizzie Hale. And there's so much more. I can't even remember.
Speaker 1:This is so much to remember from that episode Oh yeah. As So this is something that's just, mean it's a once in a lifetime epic event that has to be done.
Speaker 2:It needs to be attended. It needs to be, yeah.
Speaker 1:July 5 Birmingham, England where you're from, where it all, the birthplace of heavy metal. Right, in
Speaker 2:the fucking steel foundries of Birmingham. Yeah. Where fucking, where Iommi lost his fingertips. Yeah. And then had to glue them on and tune his guitar down and voila, metal is born.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Heavy
Speaker 1:power chord. Fucking just sludgy heavy fucking. It's hard to imagine that we could, we're gonna be at this fucking show.
Speaker 2:I know, I know.
Speaker 1:I mean we like, we're not, we haven't gotten tickets yet. No, we're
Speaker 2:not chasing it.
Speaker 1:We have a tentative plan in place. Yeah. And we're gonna make it happen.
Speaker 2:Definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1:So, and so with that said, Ghosts, speaking of Ghosts, they have a new single out. It's called Satanized.
Speaker 2:Is it really? Yeah, called Satanized.
Speaker 1:The songs actually kick ass. And the new album Skeleta is will be in stores or on your socials and your streaming devices on April 25.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Of this year. So I'm looking forward to that as well. And they'll be touring as well. Their own personal tour and they're doing that one off show and with Ozzy. Right.
Speaker 1:So I can't wait to hear the new album. The first, the song is Badass.
Speaker 2:Is it good? It's really cool. Is it up to the level of their
Speaker 1:I like it, I really like it. It's kind of, the lyrics are edgy, the sounds poppy and gets you moving and it's a good sound, it's funky. It has a little bit of all sorts of elements in it. Yeah, that's Tobias Ford. One of
Speaker 2:the best names in rock which
Speaker 1:Matti doesn't really believe.
Speaker 2:Which is not his
Speaker 1:real name. Matti to wants to see a
Speaker 2:birth certificate. Yeah exactly. Wanna see some kind of documentation that Forge is his last name. I don't believe it for a second that somebody in metal would be named Forge.
Speaker 1:Tobias Forge. I know Forged in steel. From fucking Sweden.
Speaker 2:It's at least shortened from like Forge Stein or something
Speaker 1:Remember? Her name was like something Jeborgen
Speaker 2:show Oh, that you're yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know? I could picture the scene, but I can't really remember her name or something like that.
Speaker 2:She was in in Wayne's World two? She was. Really? Cameo? She played
Speaker 1:I don't think she played like the assistant at the radio station they went to with Ganz and Dan.
Speaker 2:Okay. Yeah. Remember?
Speaker 1:Vaguely, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't think I've seen
Speaker 1:it. Great movie. Yeah. Great, you know, great Allegedly. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, yeah. So be on the lookout for you all you Ghost fans, April 25, Skeleta coming to socials and platforms near you. And I hear Tobias is kind of
Speaker 2:doing the thing that bands do now lately. They don't want any any phone. Will they take it? Will they'll take it in a bag? No, no.
Speaker 1:So you're allowed to keep your phones.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:You have to keep them in your pocket, stored away. And if you are caught using it, you'll be escorted out of
Speaker 2:the Be executed.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You'll be publicly executed.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And execution. Wow, okay, because some people, some of them won't even let you win with them, right? But he'll let you in and kind of Yeah, do and the honest
Speaker 1:it's funny because they started this last year, a year before, last year for the filming of that, they had their music Right Here Right Now, is like the live movie that was actually in movie theaters for two shows in LA.
Speaker 2:Oh really? Okay.
Speaker 1:And it's funny because Ghost, sorry, Tool's been doing that for years, the no phone policy.
Speaker 2:Yeah I know, right.
Speaker 1:Manage is very hardcore about that.
Speaker 2:Right. Will he make you not bring the phone in? Does he go that route?
Speaker 1:No, no, you can bring it in.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Again, it catch you, I was at, I've been at many tool concerts where people have been escorted out for using
Speaker 2:Wow. Their
Speaker 1:Trying to get away with their phones. Wow. They'll get, they're pretty cool about giving you the first like warning Okay, Put it away. And if you keep doing it, then that's when they escort because, you and then mainly will be like, okay, mainly will say something like sarcastic and say, all right you motherfuckers, like it's the last song on the night. You can take your fucking stupid phones up now.
Speaker 2:You almost wonder if people like will take the phone out just to get Maynard pissed and have them like a viral moment. Like have them go off on like, oh, I want them to go off on me for taking my phone. Yeah. Mean, think they should
Speaker 1:just thought that Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like to goad them, like instigate them. Yeah. I feel like. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1:I feel like he, yeah, I think that's part of it. Yeah. Mindset too, but. Right, right. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1:There's been moments where I've. All right. It's caught and snuck in a few videos.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's tough not to, right?
Speaker 1:I mean, because I'm at the point now where I've seen Tool 13 times.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:And I seen them so many times to point where I can sneak a video back Yeah, yeah. The When I never saw them.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:A lot. I would always be just okay, I have to watch the show and be part of the show, which I still do obviously 95% of the time. Right. There's that 5% where I'm taking just my phone out and taking a minute video here, minute video there.
Speaker 2:That's the normal way to do it. Some people can't,
Speaker 1:just some, get some material for the Documentation. Right, right. And for the talk about in our show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true, yeah.
Speaker 1:So with that said, I mean, about the majority the time I'm just locked in.
Speaker 2:And that's how you should rise
Speaker 1:by the show.
Speaker 2:That's the problem, so many people have to document the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why Ghost
Speaker 2:Not really in the moment.
Speaker 1:And that's why Tobias Forge and Ghost has this policy going on for that reason, people can be interactive enjoy the show.
Speaker 2:Right. So that's a good thing.
Speaker 1:And then I know, oh, and then on another note, Vince Neil from Mother Cruz having some health issues.
Speaker 2:Oh, is? So I did not know this. Shocking. He looks like a picture of health. Big bloated fuck.
Speaker 1:Know. I know. Looks like a fucking big Bloated tick. Bloat
Speaker 2:full of turban.
Speaker 1:Fucking bullfrog.
Speaker 2:Fuck him. Die already, you piece of shit. I know. Seriously.
Speaker 1:Like, you you should have called it quits six, seven years ago when you had that. Remember they didn't Mother Crew if I remember correctly, didn't Mother Crew have, like, some sort of, like, farewell tour?
Speaker 2:Of course. This was the last hurrah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then two years later, they back out
Speaker 2:of Much like Kiss has been doing that for forty years.
Speaker 1:Know. A little too long. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Like stop. I know.
Speaker 1:So I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and not lie to you and say I like old school Motley Crusher.
Speaker 2:Oh, love it.
Speaker 1:You know, badass. As long as you wanted to rock out when you want to. You know, sway and move and just not even to say have a mosh pit to, but just fucking rock out to.
Speaker 2:No, just early eighties glam metal. Were were top. Yeah. Yeah. Legitimately like top of the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So but now it's like, Vince, you're you're old. You can't sing. You're fat out of shape. Just call it quits. I mean Assed out homie.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's done. You're
Speaker 2:done. Sorry. I mean how many videos was circulating a couple of years ago? How bad he was? I mean
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's still going on. Yeah. And now that he has the legit health issues, it's deterring him from performing.
Speaker 2:What's the health issues? Do we know?
Speaker 1:I didn't, because I don't really care anymore. So I didn't really bother to like
Speaker 2:You didn't dig too deep.
Speaker 1:I don't really, I didn't want to really waste my time.
Speaker 2:Right, right. Yeah. This time
Speaker 1:I we could don't care if it was a two minute read. As you get older, Matty, know time is more precious.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. That was time you could spend just staring at a wall. Time better and well spent.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I rather much so do that.
Speaker 2:I'd rather play with myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'd rather, you know.
Speaker 2:Right. There's two more there's two more minutes of fun time with my
Speaker 1:With my schlong than to fucking worry about
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. What's going on with the health. What the Vince Vince health update is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he's not doing well.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:I don't
Speaker 1:think he's doing that well.
Speaker 2:But whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You know, I digress.
Speaker 2:I digest.
Speaker 1:I digest. So I feel like Vince is just, what put into his body or what he's not put into his body is what is really, you know, the final result of how he is now. Right, right. So I feel like it's just, it is what it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's time to move on. Just call it. Call it a day.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's some question too whether, like, Tommy Lee's even actually playing drums. Oh, there's some, like, recorded tracks he's playing along with and stuff.
Speaker 1:And he's just kinda like hitting a maybe hitting a drum here and there. But something
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, I guess that's the issue with some other bands too. Can't think of right now, but that's definitely, yeah, there's been Molly Crews only really been mentioned lately from like how bad Vince sounds and like the possibility of Tommy. Nothing good has been really mentioned about the, yeah. Like the, like a really
Speaker 1:good, like the best, so it's like a really good like, okay. It's like a really good cornerback in the football, in the NFL. If you're a really good cornerback, your name's really not going to be spoken about that much during the broadcast because you're doing such a great job blocking down the defender, the receiver.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the secondary.
Speaker 1:You're not gonna be like, wow that guy, they may once in while say, he's been excellent today.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But if you're a fucking being, you're trash and you're getting burnt by every receiver.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And say, that fucking guy Smith has been getting burnt by that receiver all game. Right, right. But, whereas the other hand, on the other hand that guy's so good that your name's really not gonna get mentioned.
Speaker 2:Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:Because you're just so good. Right. And there's no point to mention you because no one's throwing the ball your way. Right, right. You know you're not getting much playing time because you're just running up and down the field not doing anything because you're so good at covering the guy.
Speaker 1:Right. There's no need to throw the ball over that direction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. They'll never go to that side of the field. So yeah. I feel
Speaker 1:like but with Vince, know, and the crew, they've always gotten fucking meteor for bad things. Right, The way they sound, the way they look, the way they can't perform, know, so to speak. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Do they not see, they must see that. How could they not know, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, if they're not reading it. You know, they're not reading it like themselves, they're publicists or management. You said article on Loudwire again, you're, you know, people are not liking what's going on.
Speaker 2:It's gathering steam here. You might
Speaker 1:need to call this quits.
Speaker 2:Right, maybe call it a day. So, we'll see. They'll keep going
Speaker 1:though.
Speaker 2:But with that said, Yes.
Speaker 1:Let's dive deep into this new episode we have going I on think we're gonna talk about some certain things and how the occult and Satan Yeah. And satanic you know lyrics and and vibes or in music how Right. Intertwines with music since even the what sixties?
Speaker 2:Well, I'd go back. I mean, before like, you know, you've heard the the the age old story about Robert Johnson, the old blues man. Yeah. It's a deal with devil at the crossroads for fame and fortune. Right?
Speaker 2:But then the devil comes to, you you have to repay your debt. He's dead. He was the first 27 club too, Robert Johnson, the old
Speaker 1:I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:He was. Wow. He kicked it off.
Speaker 1:He's out of the whole club. Yeah. He's the presidente.
Speaker 2:He held presidente.
Speaker 1:El capitan. Capitan. Capitan.
Speaker 2:Definitely From the twenty seventh club. Kicked it off and then there was a gap between, you know, him and like Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin and whatnot.
Speaker 1:Did Janis Joplin pass away before Morrison or
Speaker 2:She was the first.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Before Jim?
Speaker 2:Yeah. She died. Actually, you know who's the first? I'm sorry. It was Brian Jones from the Stones drowned in a swimming pool,
Speaker 1:which is a rock and roll
Speaker 2:such a rock and roll way to go. Yeah.
Speaker 1:After obviously the the guy Johnson from
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, in the thirties, I think, or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But but even, like yeah. And that and then it just Snowball. Snowballed from there, literally. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think the last one have we had any? Amy Winehouse might have been the last one. I don't think we've had one in
Speaker 1:a while.
Speaker 2:I don't I'm not sure. Was '27.
Speaker 1:Amyhouse. Yeah. I mean, again, could've been the last one.
Speaker 2:That was, like, 2011. So but, yeah, I I mean, in the occult, the word occult just means, like, hidden or underground. But you see the occult in a lot of music, you know? I mean, the the metal, you know, the eighties metal bands kinda took it, kinda cheesed it up a little bit. They kinda played with like that satanic satanic
Speaker 1:Yeah. Look at like
Speaker 2:like Motley Shard of the Devil album.
Speaker 1:Right. Right. You know, Kiss, knights Taking Service.
Speaker 2:Is that really KISS? Is that, I've
Speaker 1:never That's what was, that's what I
Speaker 2:was always meant say to him.
Speaker 1:The acronym for that was, so acronym was always Knights Taking Service. So it's like Has Gene ever, if he Honestly ever no, because I'm not a big KISS fan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I don't know either,
Speaker 1:yeah. And I I
Speaker 2:Dean Baker
Speaker 1:would
Speaker 2:know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He would. He's a big kiss fan
Speaker 2:as far as I know. Maynard from Toll. That's true.
Speaker 1:Huge kiss fan.
Speaker 2:That's true. So I think we have to ask those gentlemen. Gene's funny. I don't think he would ever come out and say no. Well, Gene takes credit for the metal sign too.
Speaker 2:That speaking of devil, the devil horns. Yeah. He always takes credit for that.
Speaker 1:I thought that was Mr. Dio. Ronnie James Dio, the man of the mythology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it comes from that old town Italian in like the Malloy. To fend off the devil.
Speaker 1:There you go. It's like, and then so many bands have wrote about Satan and the devil and their lyrics and
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And how like you know it's influenced their style of music and how they write their music and how they perform they're dealing with it. Obviously Kiss and Alice Cooper, Marilyn Manson's another big And
Speaker 2:like even Sabbath, but I've noticed like if you listen to early Sabbath, lot of it was like against the devil. Like you know, don't go down this path, like a warning to like not go down that path.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it's funny how
Speaker 2:you have the name title is Black Sabbath. Yeah. Which comes from that, what, Boris Karloff movie. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. A lot of bands, like, played with the satanic imagery, but not necessarily all in with it. I don't think there were a lot like, you had, like, there was a band called, like, they always accused Sabbath of being, like, say Satanists, but they really weren't. But they had, like, Black Widow back then, like, a seventies band that was, like, like, Satanist. But it seems like the real Satanist didn't really, like, become popular.
Speaker 2:Like, was just the ones that kinda, like Yeah. Played around with
Speaker 1:The Twin Temple that we talked about.
Speaker 2:Oh that's right, They're Satanists. Okay, there you go, they're that popular.
Speaker 1:I they're not like, they become, I wouldn't say they're hugely popular, they're more popular than you think they would
Speaker 2:No, know, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:Their music's kind of cool, they're supposed to put new, they're working on new music as we speak. They need they I know they need new music. I know that.
Speaker 2:So are they like the true? Well, that's another thing too. Like real Satanists. Satanism, I think we've talked about before is more like it's not really like worshiping the devil. It's more like an empowerment thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You say
Speaker 1:it as an adversary. Right.
Speaker 2:To a degree. And because Satan was the ultimate rebel, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course there's a people that use Satan and use it as evil, and use evil with it. Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker out in LA, he would say Hail Satan, he had the pentagram on his tattoo and his palm. Right. And he and he would be blamed in Manson, Charles Manson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Kind of
Speaker 1:blamed like Satan is the devil's work, doing the devil's work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Then you have the opposite side, oh I'm doing God's work. Yeah. You'll feel the wrath of God. I mean,
Speaker 2:more damage has been done in the name of God. Thank Like, with, like, the Catholic church or whatnot. Yeah. Yeah. I think, like, Ramirez saying that is kinda going against the real beliefs of Satan is right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's like it's not I don't think Satan is really want to do harm. No. They just want to use and it's like magic to like M A G I C K, like Crowley kind of Alastair, Mr. Crowley.
Speaker 2:He became a big, like, influence in a lot Ozzy, obviously. Yeah. But like Jimmy Page, too.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Jimmy Page.
Speaker 2:He really interesting. Yeah. He followed his, like, teachings. It's kind of like an empowerment, like teaching, like a mystical thing. He bought his house, Crowley's house.
Speaker 2:He lived in and they always blamed like and then, like, he got into Crowley, his estate and started living there. Then they kind of and then like Robert Plant lost his son, like, when he was five to some and they kind of blamed and then like Bonham died. They kind of blamed him. Oh, Jimmy was dabbling with dark arts, you know?
Speaker 1:But that was their comma.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But I don't know. I mean, you know, it's like
Speaker 1:He said, she said. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna blame the devil.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Just blame went into hell. Blame the devil. Remember the whole like well, then you had like the satanic panic with the metal bands of the with all like the backwards vocal you know they thought Ozzy you know what did he supposedly say and just do it or something in Suicide Solution.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And
Speaker 1:how there was a hidden agenda message in there saying like yeah he was telling like in Oh, there you go. The message was, Just do it. Just do it. Like that was the point of the song was
Speaker 2:Yeah. But It just happened. It just sounded like that. Mean
Speaker 1:I don't think it was like he was necessarily doing it on purpose. No. Maybe it was like a sub conscious thing. Yeah. He was like, okay, I'm gonna put this particular lyric intertwine it with this particular verse.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't know. Mean, But I don't even think he, it was like when they ran it backwards, Then it sounded that way. So I don't even know if, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's like, and then you got not necessarily a musician, a writer. Right. And Anton LaVey. Yeah. Who wrote the Satanic Bible.
Speaker 1:Right. Who has all his theories and scenarios on Satan and why Satanism is the way to go. Right.
Speaker 2:And it's
Speaker 1:not a thing to, you know, to take lightly, but also not a thing to see, put it in a bad light, or Right. A dark Whereas you can use Satanism, like that's kind of like the members of Twin Temple, Alexander and Jack, you'd say, they use Satan as an adversary.
Speaker 2:Right, right.
Speaker 1:To just.
Speaker 2:Because they're not promoting like carnage and chaos
Speaker 1:and No,
Speaker 2:nothing. That's what people think Satanism is and it's not. People just automatically
Speaker 1:assume the devil and put the devil in the category, okay, oh my God, like the devil, okay, you know what, it means destruction, it means killing children.
Speaker 2:It does.
Speaker 1:Raping children, killing women, raping women. Mean, Of anything about course, some people in this world, Richard O'Mear
Speaker 2:is, killed in name of Satan. And they kind of ruin the
Speaker 1:And ruin that.
Speaker 2:The message of I true mean not that I'm a Satanist, but you know I certainly you know would be open to dabbling with some satanic practices.
Speaker 1:Yeah you and
Speaker 2:I like to you know embrace You and Tom A cult
Speaker 1:Tommy boy.
Speaker 2:Who's that? I'm not saying his last name. Oh, go ahead. Who gives a shit? Why?
Speaker 2:Who's paying attention there to us saying last names?
Speaker 1:Tom Antoni.
Speaker 2:Damn. I what's Ziggy now anyway?
Speaker 1:Oh, it's Ziggy. That's
Speaker 2:right. Where's Ziggy? Is he still in the I think so.
Speaker 1:Well, they they
Speaker 2:He won't get back to me for some reason. He's I'm not You haven't heard from him? No. He won't get won't text me back. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you do something to him? I don't know. No. I don't think so. Who said it like that?
Speaker 1:I think you kinda did something wrong.
Speaker 2:Think he's sad that I left.
Speaker 1:It's been over it's been over what? Two years now?
Speaker 2:It's been coming up until we both left. Wow. Ten years. Right? Two years.
Speaker 1:When the fuck's the time go?
Speaker 2:No. Don't you go on I think we said it. Well, don't you wanna kinda go back for a week?
Speaker 1:I'd go back once if if put it this way. Yeah. If Roach leaves, I'm going back. I'd go back. When you?
Speaker 1:Who? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Somebody's getting very angry right now that we're using last names. You know who you are.
Speaker 1:It's funny though because that particular person you just talked we won't mention
Speaker 2:that person's name,
Speaker 1:we won't have respect because
Speaker 2:we love
Speaker 1:her. Did say that now that we're not there, it's kind of funny now.
Speaker 2:Oh okay.
Speaker 1:Funny that we
Speaker 2:Now we can say?
Speaker 1:We kind of talk about these people in Ragamondo. Okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so with that said, Mashti, you're a fat fuck.
Speaker 2:Now that we can say that without worries of reprisal.
Speaker 1:I don't really care. Mean, I'm at the point where I'm like
Speaker 2:None fucks given.
Speaker 1:I've freedom of speech since I was born. Right. And we have the new supreme leaders back. Right. The savior.
Speaker 1:The savior of our world. Yes.
Speaker 2:The savior of darkness. Talk about dark forces that he's saving us. Yeah. That's the true sadness.
Speaker 1:You think he sold us sold to the devil, Trump?
Speaker 2:No. I'm talking about the on the other side. I'm talking about Biden and what Oh, yeah. Talking about the left. Well No.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I think gosh.
Speaker 2:I I go the complete other way. I think I think he's the absolute savior of of how of our of, know, we were going down a bad path with Biden and, know. Oh, yeah. You know, not to get political, but you know.
Speaker 1:We do sometimes, but it doesn't mean we necessarily wanna portray political views the whole Yeah.
Speaker 2:No. No.
Speaker 1:It's just sometimes we fall into that crest. Right. Where we have to just kind of Kinda unvoidable. No.
Speaker 2:I mean he's undoing he's undoing a lot of shit they did and the stuff they were doing was just, I mean, just on, like, government waste alone. Right? The amount of money they're finding out they spent on just nonsense. Yeah. You know, some kind of lesbian or some kind of gay Sesame Street and Yeah.
Speaker 1:Remember how he's writing off all that
Speaker 2:millions and thousands of all these
Speaker 1:people and this, that? Yeah. $20,000,000 for this. Yeah. $600,000 for that.
Speaker 2:Turning frogs gay and Iraq or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, what? Yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't know there was a thing
Speaker 2:until that
Speaker 1:that speech.
Speaker 2:That's how much they just I don't know. They're they were intent on just bankrupting this country. Well, then you get into, like, globalist shit. Like, they the globalist who kinda control everything don't want countries. They just want a global one new world order, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And Trump is fighting that.
Speaker 1:And WBO, the wrestling
Speaker 2:and new world order. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Dorothy, we're talking to you on that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You'll get the you'll appreciate the we'll just make it a complete, like, direct message to yeah.
Speaker 1:But is it what it is. Mean, I yeah. Am I gonna say here that I am a full blown like No. Like political head that wants no. Right.
Speaker 1:Honestly, most of the time I'm just like, Right. But if I had to pick one of the two lesser evils, I'm picking Trump. Absolutely. That's what I'm trying to say to Right. So just because I prefer Trump over Biden doesn't mean I'm a full blown Trump guy.
Speaker 1:No. No. It's just I prefer, I think, but I will say that Biden was a piece of shit.
Speaker 2:Yep. Absolutely. So he, I mean, he was completely just brain dead. I mean, I don't even think he knew what he was, you know.
Speaker 1:So just, know, it is what it is. Yeah. Everyone has their own opinion. Yeah. Keep it that way.
Speaker 1:Right. There's no right or wrong. Right. But there is a right in the sense that, let's be real, Biden was not
Speaker 2:And I am wearing a MAGA thong right now. So just so you people know.
Speaker 1:Let's keep it that way hidden.
Speaker 2:Don't wanna see that MAGA.
Speaker 1:No one is a banana.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna unveil it when we go to England.
Speaker 1:You should get
Speaker 2:I gotta get shit faced on Yeager.
Speaker 1:You should get a you should bring your MAGA hat to You should. To England.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because England's having some issues. They're they're really going down a cuckoo path Yeah. Politically. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah. It'll be fun though.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It will be fun.
Speaker 2:But But speaking of that, okay. So we know, like like, I read a good book while ago about how the occult pretty much, like, is the basis of most rock and roll or it kind of it's the it's in a lot of, like, the themes. But can you name one good Christian rock band? I just let's put let's go the other side. Stryper?
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's what was gonna say. I wrote that down besides Stryper. I mean.
Speaker 1:And I'll be honest with you, it's funny we talked about this and you brought this up because Stryper.
Speaker 2:Stryper was on with a Y.
Speaker 1:Stryper was on here nation. They play that, they play Stryper a lot more than you'd think they would. Now every time you cut them on, I'm like, Oh.
Speaker 2:They're just not good.
Speaker 1:I turn it off. I'm like, waste four minutes of airtime on Sirius XM rated to play that god awful fucking Christian wannabe
Speaker 2:whatever. Yeah. They weren't even great songwriters.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Well, that's Christian rock sucks. I want someone to give me one example of good Christian rock. There's no I
Speaker 1:can't because I don't dabble in that field.
Speaker 2:It goes to and it's it's like it's too like they I think maybe because they force it in too much, like they gotta get God in in every sentence. Yeah. Whereas like the devil's shit is more like nuanced and like a little more mysterious.
Speaker 1:And it's funny. I feel like obviously there's a bigger market for devil in the music than there is a Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, it's just more interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's more yeah. It's more it's more it's more It's more mysterious. It's a of a mysterious mystic behind it. Right. And it makes you wanna like it kind of entrances you into it.
Speaker 1:And it kind of traps you Like, into the come on, like Ghost's first album is like dark and satanic as you can get. Right, right. Doomy, sludgy, you know? Yeah. And it's, his lyrics were on top of his game, And song Death Knell, Satan Right.
Speaker 2:Like, he's kind of playing around with it too. To a degree. Yeah, he's not like, yeah.
Speaker 1:He's not a full blown Satanist as but I know like he still doesn't believe in the whole, he prefers that side of religion than the Christian side or the Catholic side, or the Baptist side. Yeah. As far, because he's well, he's very smart Tobias.
Speaker 2:He is, yeah.
Speaker 1:He knows the ins and outs in religion. Right. He knows how to pull people's strings.
Speaker 2:Yeah exactly. And get people going.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Yeah. And push push people's buttons Right. Yeah. What he's saying and talks about these lyrics, you know? Well, the whole
Speaker 2:Christian thing just comes as kinda like more brainwash y. Like it it's like they seem more brainwashed. I mean, you know, not not all them, obviously.
Speaker 1:Of course. You know, like, we're we've mentioned it before. We're not huge, by any means, huge Kiss fans at all. No. But Kiss was so popular, and so is popular their their gimmick, their show, their the way they dressed Alice Cooper, like that drew so much attention and drew such a huge fan base.
Speaker 1:Right, the spectacle and the aura of how they present themselves was what drew people to them. It was money.
Speaker 2:And it was dabbling with like dark imagery and same kind big of imagery.
Speaker 1:Crowds and had sold out arenas and fields around the world and the universe.
Speaker 2:And the Christian rock bands aren't doing that. No, come on. I don't know, Is there still a station? There was a station locally. AAF turned into a Christian rock
Speaker 1:station. I think it might be the still be.
Speaker 2:Is it still that or the rock? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I mean, I I would acknowledge good Christian bands, but I just have yet to see a good one.
Speaker 2:I mean, Creed. Were they Christian? No, they kind of dabbled with it, They kind of have true, man.
Speaker 1:Open name bands Creed,
Speaker 2:of course. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:The Christian Creed, the Kingston's Creed or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna sit here and and say that I'm well versed in the whole ordeals of religion because I'm like No. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm not religious by any means. Right. Right.
Speaker 1:I have never any interest to ever go back to church. No. It wasn't for me.
Speaker 2:You weren't raised Catholic. Right?
Speaker 1:No. Christian Catholic? I don't know what it was, but we did go to unfortunately, my parents my mother did force us to go to CCD.
Speaker 2:Okay. So you were? Okay. Was she is she Catholic?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2:Not unlike super practicing. No.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. No. But she
Speaker 2:Confirmation and whatnot,
Speaker 1:and all that Yeah, that I had to
Speaker 2:do all
Speaker 1:that because I When was you're told that age you do it, Right. Because you don't I didn't know, like I didn't, I wasn't thinking about it like I think about it now and I have in the past. What gets me, if I want to get deep for a moment. Sure. And what gets me, I think we've talked about this.
Speaker 1:I can't remember if we talked about this per se on certain episodes, maybe we have, maybe if we didn't, I'm sorry. Sorry. Not we do that a lot.
Speaker 2:We have the right to repeat ourselves.
Speaker 1:We do.
Speaker 2:This is my, what do they say on the wedding singer?
Speaker 1:This is my mic, he knows every fucking word I gotta say. So what gets me is that, there's supposedly this higher power, right? Yes. God. And if there's a God, there has to be the Satan, the devil, because there's a fallen angel, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Lucifer?
Speaker 2:Yeah. A yin and a yang kind of Yin and yang, yeah.
Speaker 1:Sort of situation scenario. Right. So, and the people that always say, you know, thank, blessed be to thank the high, the almighty power of Jesus Christ or God. Right. Etcetera.
Speaker 1:But then, you think about it, and maybe I'm just, people say, Oh, well, you're wrong. It's how that's their God's plan. Right. Okay. So riddle me this.
Speaker 1:If you're gonna bring kids into the world. Right. Right. And you're gonna have this poor woman that always wanted to have a baby girl, a boy, and make that make her carry that baby in their stomach for nine months. Right.
Speaker 1:Well, less depending if they're premature or whatever.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're talking about like abortion?
Speaker 1:No. No. No. No. No.
Speaker 1:Wait. I'm sorry. If you're gonna bring these kids into the world, and you're gonna make these women carry these children around for nine months, they pop out or even a little early if they're premature. Why do they get cancer and die?
Speaker 2:The kids? Yeah. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:Why is your childhood cancer? Right, right. Why would God want to make
Speaker 2:it If that was with the kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah. There's a higher power that cared about all of us that believed in God and or believed in a higher faith had faith in these parents that, oh I pray to God every day that my kid is healed from cancer, that these kids die at two, three, six months, eight months, whatever. Right. It makes you think, it makes me always say like, you know okay, Yeah. Why would you want to make, bring a poor kid die of cancer?
Speaker 2:Right, right.
Speaker 1:You know? And I know it may sound, oh well you're not really, you're just thinking a one narrow minded. I'm like, maybe it's not sound that way, but I'm, I find it hard to have faith in a higher power that's going to kill kids. Yeah. Poor innocent kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah. To a certain point.
Speaker 2:And he's maybe not actively killing them, but they're kind of allowing. Yeah, know what you mean. Yeah. Know,
Speaker 1:if you're gonna if.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's like the age old universal question, right? Yeah. Do you believe any kind of higher power? Do you believe in like a see, I believe like I meditate as we've talked about. So I believe in like a source.
Speaker 2:It's more of like an energy. Yours is Joe. Yeah. Yeah. The great Joe Dispenza.
Speaker 1:Joe Dispenza is your higher
Speaker 2:power. Who I need to go back. Yes. I know.
Speaker 1:But I think your higher power is gonna be Birmingham, England for a day.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And mine too. Be praying to the gods thunder. Oh, gods metal.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cannot wait. It's gonna be so good. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I that's the age old question, like, there's a high power, why would he allow suffering? But, like, that kinda is like the nature of the realm we're in, the the dimension, the three d, you know, there is like loss, you know, we wouldn't appreciate, you know, yeah, we
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a weird, yeah, that's one for the ages, yeah. But you don't, so you don't, do you believe in any kind of, I mean, you That's hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I would say
Speaker 2:But you don't, you don't, you you don't, believe we're just kinda like, like flying through the cosmos, like, with no direction or anything, I
Speaker 1:think there
Speaker 2:is You think we're just a happy accident that we were I think that we were put here.
Speaker 1:Higher powers are the aliens.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:The universe, they are controlling everything. Like interdimensional interdimensional, okay, now you're getting
Speaker 2:into more my thing, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Think like, there's not necessarily a God.
Speaker 2:Right, no.
Speaker 1:No. Not saying the, so I'm saying that these aliens could be on the border of
Speaker 2:They're like higher beings, they're like
Speaker 1:Higher beings of evil for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 2:Which is probably what we might get to as we evolve, as we, right, if we level up
Speaker 1:As we die and we just Right, right. Our soul, whatever it
Speaker 2:goes Ascended beings.
Speaker 1:Ascends or descends Yeah,
Speaker 2:that's true.
Speaker 1:I mean if there's no heaven, it can't be
Speaker 2:any hell. Well that's true, that's the
Speaker 1:You know, there's no God, there's no Lucifer.
Speaker 2:Right, right.
Speaker 1:You know? Yeah. So to speak.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I don't know, I mean it's tough because these so
Speaker 1:there's a lot of bands that bring this into their realm. Yeah. And use the devil and the details Right. To bring it out in their music and their
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Their their parents. Yeah. Like the Alice Cooper's, The Kiss Right. The Twin Temples of Right. The
Speaker 2:I mean even like the Stones writing like Sympathy for the devil. Right? Yeah. What a great like it's just it's so interesting too the way, you know, he's kinda seeing it from the devil's side. Like
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I rode a tank. I held a general's rank while the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies like, wow. Like I don't think any Christian rock's gonna come up with lyrics that like evocative. Oh.
Speaker 1:You know
Speaker 2:what I mean? That you know, yeah. I know.
Speaker 1:So it just obviously makes me question authority and question you know religious beliefs and practices and
Speaker 2:Yeah, all yeah, definitely, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I just, that's why I think music is very important to, you know, you just use your music to get your presence across.
Speaker 2:Right. Right. And I
Speaker 1:don't care if you know, if you want to be a band called Stryper Knock
Speaker 2:yourself out. Are they playing like cruises now? Could see I like other think they are. Yeah, yeah, Stryper. I've been playing that
Speaker 1:Stryper like glam on a cruise with like, There's nothing think I just
Speaker 2:heard that.
Speaker 1:It's like them in like They got a Y2K and like Night firehouse and
Speaker 2:Ranger.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like shit like that, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Know, great white Halloween. Halloween. Yeah. Crocus. Halloween.
Speaker 2:I
Speaker 1:know it's so like, yeah. It's like there's so many bands like, I always when I hear you, I think of like Mercyl Fate King Diamond. Yeah. Obviously King Diamond, Mercyl Fate the same thing, like He was And hear then of like, you just think of Judas Priest and Yeah.
Speaker 2:And Oh, how dare you lump priest in with the great But I don't. With the I'm just saying like No. Don't.
Speaker 1:The same style kinda like Yeah. Know and
Speaker 2:Definitely operatic. I think about Merciful Faith, he probably sang even higher than he might even have gone higher than
Speaker 1:King.
Speaker 2:Think King he didn't have the songs like precept of Jesus. Yeah. I know.
Speaker 1:King I think I think King Diamond's singing higher than
Speaker 2:a little bit
Speaker 1:higher octave than than mister Rob.
Speaker 2:Maybe. Yeah. Which you wouldn't think is possible. At least on the same level. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So which brings me to my next point.
Speaker 2:Uh-oh. I think I know where this is going.
Speaker 1:JLG, give fucking Rob Halford his fucking ass back.
Speaker 2:Give him his a studded Fucking piece of shit. She's walking around in summertime with a Rob Halford vest
Speaker 1:on her.
Speaker 2:Have you heard from her? No. I haven't actually. Wow.
Speaker 1:That's good.
Speaker 2:I told her I told her I was gonna maybe go out back in October and go. I wanted I did go to the hot one day, but I I was gonna maybe fly. She got a new dog or something. I didn't. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I
Speaker 1:don't know she's a
Speaker 2:dog or whatever. Yeah, I know. Whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was all your fault.
Speaker 2:I feel for
Speaker 1:it was all your fault for giving her my number and then she would text me when I was I mean, hasn't texted me in many years,
Speaker 2:but No. The point was when we
Speaker 1:were working in Lynch, she texted me and it's like, leave me the fuck alone.
Speaker 2:Well, we did a whole episode inspired by her. Our emo sucks episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It was she loved, but she ate it at
Speaker 2:the same time. Gosh. Check that one out guys, if you wanna go back into the archive and
Speaker 1:see Yeah, way back in the day, like 2022.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really, the early days of the The scrap metal show. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, so give him his goddamn fucking vest back. Would you because he may be he might not be around much longer.
Speaker 2:Are they still Priest is still Oh, yeah. They had
Speaker 1:an album. They came out Oh, they did? Or last year. It was called
Speaker 2:Painkiller Part two?
Speaker 1:No. It was what the fuck was it called? It had a it's actually pretty good.
Speaker 2:I didn't I think yeah.
Speaker 1:I listened to it all. Yeah. It had like it had it had some good song, like fast paced. Okay. Like in your face, like
Speaker 2:Not as heavy as like Painkiller.
Speaker 1:No. But there are some songs.
Speaker 2:Okay. Yeah. He still sounds pretty good.
Speaker 1:I think he's for 74 years old, to 72, whatever he's he's 75 now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Still sounded pretty pretty fucking good.
Speaker 2:So Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll give him that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't know how I'm surprised I I would they're from Birmingham. Then maybe they'll make some kind of an appearance in
Speaker 1:the don't know. Maybe I did see Rob in that name or just
Speaker 2:Yeah. A lot could happen. They could add stuff as we go
Speaker 1:I'm through really surprised
Speaker 2:that you
Speaker 1:can see like Jimmy Page show up. Yeah. You know?
Speaker 2:That's true. Yeah. Anyone that's had any, you know, contact or
Speaker 1:Robert Plant might be there.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean there were I
Speaker 1:mean, like I said, I only saw
Speaker 2:I did look at the the the set list.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm sorry. I did look at the the band list, the artist list once and it was just so much to take in. It was
Speaker 2:just like Just stacked.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It was like, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah. They could maybe they don't wanna add it. Maybe It was just only much add like so for one day.
Speaker 1:Much like your mind my mind almost exploded.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And the fact that I'm like, holy shit balls. I have to be here. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:No. Like, this is once in a lifetime. Right. Epic mega shit that I have
Speaker 2:to be here. And mega. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And mega.
Speaker 2:I have to be here.
Speaker 1:Yeah. With Pocahontas sitting over there. Pocahontas. That woman makes $67,000,000 to do nothing.
Speaker 2:On a salary, on a yearly salary of 200,000. Like do the math. Like where's that coming from? Yeah. Special interests and all that Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:Tell them. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But do you have any particular, like anything particularly stand out to you when you were growing up listening to music that was like, wow, this group or this band is talking about the devil besides like the the typicals like kiss or or
Speaker 2:Yeah. I do remember. Remember. I remember Motley Crue coming out with Shout of the Devil. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But even even as a kid, I remember it's a little corny. They were kind of just, like, jumping on the bandwagon because that did become, like, the thing to, like, hit your wagon to in the eighties. Right? Yeah. You know?
Speaker 2:No. I mean, I mean, what about like like you get into like the the black metal stuff or like like the real Satanist bands are probably like, I mean, like obituary and stuff like that. Yeah. Is that like ghost
Speaker 1:to a degree. Yeah. Yeah. Even though they're newer. But even like
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Twin Temple, of course. Right. But there's so many bands like
Speaker 2:But even like the black metal, like the Norwegian black
Speaker 1:metal. There was a band. I forget the guy. Oh my god. It was like the eighties or late seventies.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He, like, I think he, like, killed some people.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That Varg Vekenin guy or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For album cover. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Was like the
Speaker 2:Where he killed the guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It was like the crime scene photo.
Speaker 2:People are probably screaming at, oh, yeah. They you know, we we don't know the details.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Mean, don't I know, but I know like that shit is like Yeah. Good names. I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and say I'm well versed in all these bands. I'm not because I'm more of a prog Right.
Speaker 1:Metal slash heavy metal guy. Right. I'm not really much into the black metal. No. I do know some of the bands that we're talking about obituary
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The dates and Well, you had that guy
Speaker 2:obsessed with that guy down Florida. He actually had a upside down cross burned into his head. Yeah. What? Glenn Benton, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Fucking The whole Florida metal scene. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I guess if you start killing band members and eating their brains, that's pretty Pretty insane. That's going against I don't think that's really satanic. No. That's not like like maniacal and homicidal.
Speaker 1:Being a fucking whack job.
Speaker 2:Using the name of Satan.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're use Satan as a scapegoat.
Speaker 2:They're almost giving Satanists are almost those kind of people are giving Satan a bad name.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Yes. That that's the problem. Like, everything's this Everything's kind of got to be put into a Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Saying, heal Satan. Right. He's he's using Satan to escape. No. You're just a fucking loser.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You're just.
Speaker 1:He wants to kill people.
Speaker 2:Right. Exactly.
Speaker 1:Satan's not making you do that.
Speaker 2:You're just a genetic. Fucking. Yeah. You're embodying the true spirit of Satanism.
Speaker 1:No. You're not. Self empowerment. You're just a fucking wacko psychopath
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That goes around killing people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And stalking people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You're not Satan's not at fault here. It's just how you were born. Yeah. And how you you were wired. Right.
Speaker 1:Your DNA is off a couple chromosomes and Yeah. All that bullshit. Yeah. There's some fucking
Speaker 2:yeah. Taken out
Speaker 1:of sorry. Commission. Can't blame Satan. Satan's not the problem here. He's never the problem.
Speaker 2:Stop giving Satan a bad name.
Speaker 1:Please don't. Shed some light on Satan.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:Lucifer. Lucifer.
Speaker 2:Lot of
Speaker 1:names Lustering. For I know Beelzebub, Behemoth. Mephistopheles. Mephistopheles is German.
Speaker 2:Is it? Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:It's a German phrase.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like that. That's my favorite one.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. That's German because Ghost's song Little Sunshine.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He uses that song Call me, call me, little sunshine Call me. Mephistophos. Oh really okay. And it's like German folklore. Right, right.
Speaker 1:The devil. Right. And that is a badass name.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's yeah that is. That's so cool. That's the best one. Yeah I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like Beelzebub, Behemoth. Beelzebubba. Yes. Satanas.
Speaker 1:Okay. Satanas which is like a comma blank.
Speaker 2:Italian?
Speaker 1:Italian slash like you know, I'm trying to blank. But yeah it's more like Italian
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like a Spanish, like a Spanish way.
Speaker 2:Spanish version, yeah.
Speaker 1:Then you got El Diablo. El Diablo which is Yeah. Right. Spanish. Right.
Speaker 1:And you got obviously Lucifer, Satan, then the main ones.
Speaker 2:Because you had a lot of bands even like, you know, like Highway to Hell, which really isn't about hell. It's just about like the touring Yeah. Rule by ACDC or even like running with the devil. You know what I mean? They all kind of played with it.
Speaker 2:Like, don't think David Lee Roth wasn't really talking about, you know. No. It's more about like dabbling with the
Speaker 1:dark stuff.
Speaker 2:David Lee Roth was
Speaker 1:more worried at the time foreshadowing how he's gonna be the, but Dave Leroy, DJ. He wasn't worried about shelling the devil, he was worried about how he's gonna make, again, an American Jiggalo song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Make it his own spin off. Just a
Speaker 1:Jiggalo. Everybody knows.
Speaker 2:His solo shit was bad, So bad. Yeah. So bad. Yeah. That was that early
Speaker 1:I mean, I have no problem with bands and artists wanting to talk or sing about the devil.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no. I think
Speaker 1:it's don't think Satan's a bad
Speaker 2:No. Thing to do think it's made music interesting. It's kind of really always been around in rock because and they called even like Elvis, I think they called, oh, this is the devil's music. When he came out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Mean, like
Speaker 2:It was branded that right off Yeah. The
Speaker 1:We discussed moments ago, are you gonna pick a music that's talking about the almighty savior that has or no substance to no drawing attention to it? Right. Or are you going to pick the song that goes, the devil in the details, the devil is making you, you know, the devil is whispering you sloughly into your ear. Like there's so much to play with that Yeah.
Speaker 2:So many things
Speaker 1:that make you, that intrigue you to want to listen. Right. Whereas I'm not gonna like, of course there's that small, sorry to offend you. Right. Small crowd Christians that actually listen to Christian rock and go to venue that holds a 100 people.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, but let's be real. You got bands
Speaker 2:like Ghosts
Speaker 1:that are selling on arenas that talk about Satan all the time and openly obituary that sold out arenas back in the eighties. Yeah. And bands like Motley Cruse or The Devil and Yeah. Rock With The Devil and Chow. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Chow. You know? So like it's more appetizing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It almost go it's almost it goes with rock perfectly. Yeah and
Speaker 1:how it also blends horror and metal.
Speaker 2:They get that whole You're talking thing about
Speaker 1:that. Yeah. Like horror, Satan and metal. Right. Is all intertwined.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. Right.
Speaker 1:You know, when you think of horror, think of heavy metal music.
Speaker 2:Exactly. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even yeah.
Speaker 2:They all did it. I mean Like a Rob Zombie. Six six six, the number of the beasts. Yeah. With with maybe
Speaker 1:This is the number of the beasts.
Speaker 2:And that was like a more of like a, you know, beware kind of thing. Yeah. Beware. Yeah. Like, you know, they weren't obviously, they weren't embracing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, but even if they did, that wouldn't be a bad thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's always been around.
Speaker 2:Like, it's it's always been yeah. With all genres. I mean, even she's the devil in disguise like Elvis and shit, know. Devil always comes up. It's always like in the in the consciousness.
Speaker 1:It's in the background
Speaker 2:all the time. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It really makes you think and it makes you it makes me gravitate more to the music and sound than
Speaker 2:Yeah. You
Speaker 1:know. Than like Yeah.
Speaker 2:Who was the one back in the fifties who was singing? Like, who was the guy oh, Pat Boone. You had like Elvis and you had like Pat Boone all clean-cut singing like Christian kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like no. I mean even like
Speaker 1:Look who did better.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Who are still talking about? Elvis. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The pelvis.
Speaker 1:Now and now you just had a just don't get it twisted people. He just had to mention Pat Boone just to make a point.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:And no one else was talking about Pat Boone.
Speaker 2:No. No one's mentioned Pat Boone.
Speaker 1:I think
Speaker 2:he's still alive, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't know for sure. Who gives a fuck about Pat Boone?
Speaker 2:Pat Boone. I'd rather listen to Daniel Boone, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Daniel Boone. But no, seriously, but music, the devil, it's synonymous with each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's intertwined. Yeah. It's also in horror, and horror again is also intertwined with rock and metal
Speaker 2:and And even speaking of like Sabbath, like they did that, the famous the intro to Black Sabbath, the song, that devil's tritone where it goes bong bong bong. Yeah. You couldn't even play that, like, on a piano in, like, medieval times, I guess. Like, or they would think, like, that would conjure the devil. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That that flattened third or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Play it
Speaker 2:on the guitar, but it's over there. Yeah. That was, like, that doomy that, like, invented that doomy. Like, that was supposed to be the devil's chord. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The devil's tritone or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean, you could even you don't have to even like sing anything. Just play that. That sounds like devilish. That sounds like Condrey, sweet Satan.
Speaker 2:Knights in the service of sweet Satan. What was my sweet Satan? Wasn't that a was that a song?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I honestly don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm just thinking out loud.
Speaker 1:But this yeah. You were definitely thinking out loud
Speaker 2:on that one.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. That's okay.
Speaker 2:You're allowed to. I'll give you permission. I'm all excited. You're thinking out loud. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm all excited thinking about Sabbath.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I know. I mean, it's to be like two kids in a candy store Oh, god. On one faithful, beautiful, hopefully beautiful day in July Yeah. Is everything.
Speaker 2:In Birmingham, in the, you know.
Speaker 1:In the Mecca of where heavy metal Yeah, started
Speaker 2:that's good.
Speaker 1:It just to think about it, it gives me goosebumps.
Speaker 2:I
Speaker 1:know. And to actually hopefully be there, which we will, we'll be there. Oh yeah, we'll be It's just a matter of time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's easy. That's an easy move. We'll manifest that easily.
Speaker 1:It's gonna happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's Just an easy
Speaker 1:say that we could be there. So think going back to what we talked about in the beginning of the episode, I think having a live episode there, taking it. Oh yeah. Or just make an episode like getting, you know, people's, Hey, you know, we're two, schmucks from Massachusetts, United States.
Speaker 2:Men on the scene or whatever.
Speaker 1:They just wanna get some input of why you're here and what this means to you and we have a podcast.
Speaker 2:Talk to other fans and But by then I think what
Speaker 1:we should do also is we're just kinda off, you guys are kinda getting a little background of what we discuss usually off air, but we're doing it on air for you guys to listen.
Speaker 2:What we should do We're getting a little sneak behind the scenes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. Soak it all in, baby.
Speaker 2:I hope you appreciate this you fuckers. I'm giving you behind the scenes peek.
Speaker 1:What we should do is between now and then
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Get some, like, you know, stickers again and business cards
Speaker 2:made and true. Yeah.
Speaker 1:We pass them around.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's true.
Speaker 1:So the people of Birmingham Yeah. Can listen to us.
Speaker 2:Better yet, we get one of those t shirt guns and just start shooting off t And you
Speaker 1:get the dollars. We go and you get the one of shoot those dollars and go to strip club later.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some Birmingham
Speaker 1:strip
Speaker 2:Can
Speaker 1:you imagine I mean, I never even thought about this so I just mentioned it. I never thought about what a strip club would be like in England.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1:I don't think about it
Speaker 2:that They must have them right?
Speaker 1:You would think so.
Speaker 2:You would think because it's such an indulgement that people would Yeah they're pregnant with those like dumb pasties on the people. They can't show nipples. I don't
Speaker 1:know. I've never been so.
Speaker 2:Wow they got to have in London. Right?
Speaker 1:We have to think so.
Speaker 2:Birmingham. Yeah. I know. Look like Geezer Butler with a wig on. Gosh.
Speaker 2:They look like Geezer.
Speaker 1:Have a Wharton haircut. God.
Speaker 2:Rotten fucking teeth.
Speaker 1:Gosh. I I'm just
Speaker 2:Snaggle tooth.
Speaker 1:What? I'm British. Yeah. Yeah. Austin Powers.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just like, I mean, I've always wanted to go to England.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Especially London. Right. So like if we can make this a couple day thing and
Speaker 2:just Oh, it would be a great whirlwind too. Like it would just be, we'll just be up for two days straight.
Speaker 1:It's gonna happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Which would be awesome though. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna
Speaker 1:be a long fucking two days. Pure adrenaline. It's fucking awesome. Yeah. Definitely.
Speaker 1:And a good friend of mine and a mentor of mine. Satan? Oh. Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 1:He's always in the background.
Speaker 2:He's always next to us. But
Speaker 1:a good friend and a good mentor who, you know, my in my work career Yeah. Told me I better fucking do
Speaker 2:it. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good reminder of like So
Speaker 1:DB quack quack. DB Cooper. Yeah. You are definitely an inspiration of me making this happen. So I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you need that little reminder of like, said, better fucking it. Just make it happen.
Speaker 1:So I think I'm bringing up make
Speaker 2:this happen. Yeah. It's So
Speaker 1:Deebee, if you're listening. Yep. Thank you, bud.
Speaker 2:And I I apologize for all my Yeah. Know I'm not the Well
Speaker 1:kids, I think this is a good way to wrap up this lovely episode since it's been a long time coming.
Speaker 2:Put up nice bow on this bitch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly BB.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I really was happy to get back in the swing of things here. Feels good, Yeah,
Speaker 2:was good
Speaker 1:little flow. It was good to talk to our people, our fans that are just so, you know, reaching out and still staying tuned and want to know what's going on, why we haven't been there. Again, I'm sorry. I say this again, I said it before, know, we'll say it again, life gets in the way. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But we hope that this is a start again of new, you know, consistency and we to get Matt even more involved on on the consistency aspect.
Speaker 2:That's true too. Oh, sure. Blame it
Speaker 1:on me. I will. I always like to blame on you.
Speaker 2:I'm an easy target.
Speaker 1:You are? Yeah. Sure. I'm easy. Sure.
Speaker 1:I'm easy. But yeah, for real. I know. For reals, yo.
Speaker 2:For reals, yo. I'm I'm a slacker, yo.
Speaker 1:That is true, you're a procrastinator.
Speaker 2:I know. At its finest.
Speaker 1:But we would definitely, it definitely was good being back the Definitely
Speaker 2:feels good, right?
Speaker 1:And it feels real, it feels like you just haven't left, like riding know. A And it's good to be back again and thank you guys for listening and we appreciate it. So stay sick, take care of each other, stay tuned for episode 71 coming up sooner than later and we appreciate it. It didn't matter. So So thanks guys.
Speaker 1:We appreciate it. We appreciate you listening and Maddie obviously loves fighting on the microphone.
Speaker 2:I just wanna make sure the mic is
Speaker 1:still It's working guys. You heard us fart. And if you wanna hear some extra extra behind the scenes, come check us out on Patreon. Definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right. Peace the fuck out. Bye.
Speaker 2:Bye bye, guys.