Limitless Podcast with Deanna Herrin

Burnout can hit hard, sometimes showing up as panic attacks, anxiety, and complete overwhelm — even when, from the outside, everything seems “perfect.”

In this episode, burnout psychologist and coach Kim Metzen shares her personal journey from high-achieving corporate life to feeling completely disconnected from herself — and how she rebuilt a life aligned with her health, energy, and purpose.

We explore:
  • The signs of burnout you might be ignoring
  • How over-identifying with work can mask low self-worth
  • Techniques to calm the nervous system and reconnect with your body
  • Simple, practical tools to navigate stress, anxiety, and overwhelm

Kim’s story is a reminder that even the most “successful” lives can become unaligned — and that transformation is possible when you listen to your body and take courageous action.

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Through empowering solo episodes and thought-provoking guest interviews, Deanna reveals the secrets to building confidence, creating meaningful success, and breaking through limiting beliefs. Whether you’re redefining your purpose or scaling your business, this is where the journey to your next level begins. Let’s shatter ceilings and embrace the limitless possibilities waiting for you.

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Unknown: You are listening to
the limitless podcast. I'm your

host. Deanna Herron, what if you
had no limitations keeping you

from your dream life in 2016 I
had a major tug on my heart to

write a book about my story, and
in the process, I learned that I

had been operating with a very
faulty belief system for the

majority of my life. I've had a
huge transformation since then,

and my life's passion and
mission is to teach you how to

live a limitless life. Join me
on this journey. Let's get

started.

Hello, beautiful souls, and
welcome back to the limitless

podcast, I am super excited
today about this interview that

I get the privilege to share
with you. I had a conversation

with this beautiful woman in
such a powerhouse and I'm super

excited for you to hear from
her, hear her story of

transformation, and really what
she is putting out into the

world how she is changing lives.
So allow this to be an

inspiration to you. So let me
introduce to you Kim metson. Kim

is She is just like all of us.
She's a beautiful, beautiful

soul, but she went through a
transformation, and her

transformation came from an
experience that she had in her

career with burnout, and through
that experience, she has

actually transformed her life
and is now coaching and helping

other women through the vehicle
of burnout. And she's changing

so many lives, and I can't wait
for you to hear her story,

because I think we all suffer
from a little bit of burnout at

times, whether you are a young
mom that is trying to balance it

all, and there's a little
burnout that happens with that

as well with our careers. Most
of us want to be that boss babe,

and we don't know how to really
get away from that masculine

energy, and we go all out, and
it's in, it's all out burnout,

isn't that correct? Kim, welcome
Absolutely. Yeah, thank you so

much. Yeah, so glad to have you.
I would love for you to share a

little bit more about you. Where
are you in this world, and how

did you get to where you are
today? Yeah,

that's a pretty good point, and
that's why I also put this nice

little background here, because
it matches very well. I'm in

Valencia, Spain. I have the C
right here in front of me,

thanks. Can see it from the
window, and I think that's a big

part of who I am really as well,
because I've been living in so

many different places, and also
some of them where it didn't

quite feel at home, some of them
where I've suffered a lot. And I

think now, eventually, uh, the
whole story, the whole

transformation that I'm sure
we're going to go into a little

bit deeper throughout the
conversation, it led me to a

place where I really feel at
home, and where I really feel

like I've built the life that I
want and that matches me and my

nervous system and the kind of
work that I want to do, and,

yeah, really the kind of values
that I want to follow as well

that's

so beautiful and so beautiful to
be able to find that at such a

young age. And I think that's
why I'm so impressed with you.

Is your transformation, and what
you've realized so early on in

your years, so wise. And I know
the new ones that are coming

into the world now, they're even
more awakened. And there's they

see things from a completely
different perspective. But I

would love for you, I love the
nervous system topic, and I want

to, I want to put that in the
parking lot and touch on that a

little bit, but I want you to
really give us a picture of what

your life was like. What were
you doing when you were

experiencing burnout? Yeah,

absolutely. So I was working in
recruitment, actually human

resources, which I guess now
looking back in the first place,

that's never really been
something that I thought I would

end up doing. I kind of just
fell into it because of

circumstances. Internships. I
already had a psychology

background then, but really,
after my studies, I didn't quite

know what I wanted to do again.
I guess I never got nudged

enough to consider what I really
want to do, what I would enjoy.

Where are my talents? What do I
want to bring into this world?

So I ended up in this
recruitment job, which, well, if

any of you have been in that can
be very, very high paced,

especially in the tech world
where I was in so I was working

very long hours. I was also in a
relationship that I wasn't very

happy in was not, per se, a bad
relationship, but I didn't

really feel challenged enough. I
guess I just kind of had this

gut feeling that I wasn't quite
in the right place. And then

also covid hit. So I at least
didn't lose my job, but it led

me to work even more hours. It
led me to be more isolated, work

alone, in front of the computer
all day, every day. So

basically, it was a bit like I
had the perfect life from the

outside, right? Like my parents
were happy. People were like,

wow, you're making good money.
You have a great job. You have a

safe job, especially during
covid times. So that just added

up over time, because I didn't
really listen to my body. I

started having panic attacks. I
started feeling a lot of

anxiety. I was experiencing a
lot of stress, a lot of

overwhelm. I remember one day I
came home from work to my

partner at the time, and I was
just so overwhelmed. I couldn't

listen to any music. I didn't
want to hear anything anymore. I

needed to be in darkness. I
needed to be in complete

silence. And I didn't know
myself. I really didn't even

understand what was going on.
And he at the time, kind of

helped me to put it a bit into
perspective, because he did tell

me, Oh, I think you're having a
panic attack. I think you're

really overwhelmed. But for me,
this was just such a foreign

concept, because I was really,
really detached from my

feelings, and I guess my
essence, that makes sense,

totally makes sense. And thank
you for sharing really that you

know how you were feeling during
that time, because a lot of the

especially the money piece,
because a lot of times what

happens is we were thrown into
the world, and we're supposed to

decide, like, what we want to
be, you know, when we're 18

years old, and we have no clue,
like, anything that is out there

in the world, but we believe
that when we're making good

money, that's good. We're in the
place where we should be, and

it's such a misconception. But
we suffer silently, and that

silent suffering is because I've
been through this myself, that

silent suffering is, I mean,
everything is good, like I'm

making good money, I have
everything that I wanted. And so

what? We don't know how to
process that, and it's such a

silent suffering. And so you
verbalizing that, I think it's

really going to help a lot of
people understand what burnout

is. It's like you don't have any
reason to complain, you don't

have any reason to feel unhappy,
except you and I both know

completely out of alignment with
what we should be doing. So

thank you for that. So walk us
through what what happened next,

like, what did you do at that
point? Yeah,

I think for the longest time I
haven't really been doing

anything with it. I mean, I did
remember calling up the doctor

and sharing my symptoms and
sharing that I'm so stressed,

and I think it was really just a
call for help, because I had no

idea who to go to with this, who
to ask, because most people in

my environment were really in a
similar situation. They were all

working long hours. Everyone was
stressed, complaining about

work, and then going out
drinking after work to kind of

cope with it, right and have
some kind of fun, I guess so I

didn't really feel like I had an
environment either to Yeah, to

support me or to guide me where
to go. And I feel like that's

really the big point of this,
and also relates to what you

just said. I feel we're really
missing kind of like a guidebook

on how to live life. If we don't
want to live life according to

what society tells us to do,
right? Get a well paid job, buy

a house, get married, have kids,
because there's so many other

versions of life that we can
have. There's so many

alternative options that are out
there. But I think if we don't

have people that show us how it
can be, and that's really how I

see my role now, kind of to
inspire that life can also be

different, that we don't have to
stay in this box, that we don't

have to follow this guidebook
that we get from society

nowadays. I think that's just a
really big part of it. People

are lost, even now, I have a lot
of amazing people in my

surrounding, but I think
guidance is really still

missing, especially once we
notice okay, we want to get out

of this situation that we're
experiencing this regular nine

to five working, long hours,
working jobs that don't really

fulfill us. Because there's not
necessarily something bad about

working nine to five job, right?
But if it doesn't fulfill us, if

we're not happy, it would feel
burned out or bored out. That's

also on the other spectrum,
right? Then there's very little

guidance as to where do we go
and how do we really find what

we want to do and what works for
us?

Yeah, so beautiful. I remember
when I was going through this, I

I felt like on the inside and
knowing this now, but I felt on

the inside, what? What is wrong
with me? Like, why am I not

grateful for this, and that's
what kept me in the loop for so

long, staying for for as long as
I did in in that space of

burnout, was because i i
innately thought something was

wrong with me, that I wasn't
grateful for everything that I

had. And it wasn't that I wasn't
grateful, it was that when

you're not in alignment with
where you should be. And that's

number one. And then we'll talk
about the nervous system, right?

And your nervous system is, is
complete havoc. You know, you're

just, you're that's just not
where you're supposed to be. And

so it's it for me. It became a
teacher. It taught me, okay,

this is. There's, there's,
there's another road here. But

you're right. If we could learn
that there's so many choices, it

doesn't have to be you get into
a career and you're there

forever, and you have 2.3 kids
and 1.5 dogs, or whatever the

statistics say nowadays. Yeah,
so I love that. So how do you

how? How do you work with your
clients. What are some of the

things that that you do? What
does your client look like?

Yeah, so I actually work a lot
with internationals, with

expats, with immigrants, because
that comes with its own chat set

of challenges, right? Living
abroad, living in a different

culture, possibly with a
different language, adjusting to

a whole new environment. So
that's kind of like my typical

clients, mostly women. I also
work with men, but I do mainly

see women. They are often more
more ready, I guess, for these

steps, or more willing to open
up. At least. That's my

experience. And oftentimes I see
clients with very similar

stories, right? Like, from the
outside, they feel like they

have it all. They feel guilty
for not feeling grateful,

similar to what you just
explained. Or in my situation,

it was more like, why can't I
handle this? Right? Because I

saw so many people around me,
they were kind of handling it,

and I kept on asking myself the
question, why can't i What's

wrong with me in the sense of,
why can I not work so many hours

and feel okay about it? But
yeah, I work with my clients

actually according to a couple
different approaches. I think

it's so important that we touch
upon burnout from different

angles. So one of them certainly
is the nervous system to come

back to that. So our system is
just so over stressed, so in

flight or flight, that we need
to first calm it down and have

the stress move through the
body, right? So that can be

through meditation, through
yoga, through breath work, but

it can even be as simple as
spending more time in nature or

doing something with your hands,
gardening, for example, is an

amazing one. When you feel
really stressed, spending more

or less time with your phone as
well, can be a very simple one.

So that one

as we're talking as we're
talking about this. I mean,

seriously, I can feel that fight
or flight just rising up in me,

in remembrance of what I felt,
and just you talking about, you

know, how we we deal with that.
And I also remember, during

those times, didn't know I was
in fight or flight. I didn't

recognize that. That's what it
was. You're so busy being busy,

you're not even tapped into your
body. I wasn't even tapped in to

my body at all. And once I got
out of the burnout and healed

and in, released a lot of that
through my modality is breath

work, and I love journaling, and
I love nature, and I do have a

garden. I didn't know that that
that helped. But after I

released that and can tap into
my body, I mean, I can feel it

immediately, when it starts to
rise that I'm in that survival

mode, and I think so many of us,
I would love for my audience, to

be able to tap into be able to
tap into their body and know

exactly what's going on. And
when your central nervous system

is regulated, it's easier to
feel it. It's easier to sense

it, but just that living that
all the time I could when you

were talking, I'm like, Oh my
gosh, there it is. I remember

that feeling, and it's a
terrible feeling. Yeah,

it is. And it takes courage to
sit with that, right? I think

that's why many of us tend to be
in those busy lives as well,

because it's so much easier to
run away from it and not wanting

to feel that, and at the same
time, it's just something that

they don't teach us in school.
Many of us, we don't learn it

from our parents either, because
they didn't know but it's so

important. And I think this is
really also where we come back

to kind of this inner guide,
right? I was talking earlier

about like but there's no
guidebook, and this is very much

how I felt after I then left
that job and I felt so lost, and

I had no idea what to do, where
to even start. And I think the

best thing we can do as a first
step is to come back to

ourselves, to come into the body
and listen to what's within,

because there are all the
answers. We actually already

know what we want or what we
need, but we need to learn how

to access it. I believe, yeah,

yes, for sure. So I'm the story
girl. So there's a story behind

everything. What do you feel
like the story is behind the

hustle and the burnout with your
clients? Do you feel like

there's a story of

worth, as in, like, how do we
get there? How do we end up

there? How do we end up there? I
definitely see a couple of

similar pattern and most of my
clients, one of them definitely

is self worth. I think people
who end up in burnout often over

identify with their work because
they. Often use it as their

single source of confidence,
right? Yes, they have very low

self worth, and at work, they
get that appreciation, and they

get that confirmation that
they're actually worthy. So they

do more and more and more, and
that was me too, to prove to

myself every time, again and
again, that actually, oh yeah, I

am worthy. I'm worthy when I'm
productive and when I'm doing

well at work, I didn't
understand that actually I'm

worthy just by being a human
being, right? And I think that's

a very important message that
people in that situation need to

hear and to learn.

Yes, and I wanted you to say
that because I think we don't

recognize that that's actually
what we're doing. And it's that,

that title climbing, or that, oh
gosh, this, this didn't really,

this isn't it. So maybe this is
it. So then I'm going to work

harder, to do more, and this
will be when I make this amount

of money, this will be it. And
then you get there and you're

like, Okay, I'm proud of myself.
But that's, that's not it, and

it's that continual climb
because we're, we're searching

for our worth and value, yeah,
but we don't recognize that's

what we're doing. We just, it's
that that next thing for our

happiness is what we're we're
searching for. So, so powerful.

And I hope for all of you who
are listening can grasp on to

the power of what she just
shared with you. So thank you

for that. Kim, yeah, yeah. So
how do you work with your

clients and their nervous
system? How do you teach them to

tap into their body? Yeah?

So I think oftentimes it's
really already well coming to

the idea of that these are
things that we need to integrate

into our life. And that doesn't
mean, okay, you know, I'm gonna

go on a, I don't know, 10 day
yoga retreat or meditation

retreat, and then I'm gonna be
fixed. I think it's really

important for them to
understand, for all of us, to

understand, really, that this is
kind of a lifelong process, and

it's a practice, too. It's not
like we're going to spend a bit

of time away to kind of fix
ourselves, because that's not

how it works, right? It's more
learning over the process of a

lifetime to get more in touch
with ourselves, with our

emotions, with our bodies. So I
think one important point is to

find a way how we can integrate
it into our lives in a

sustainable way, right? So that
we work on ourselves

continuously, work with our
nervous system continuously, and

as you shared earlier, right
over time, now, we can learn how

to listen much better to
ourselves and how, how we then

notice, okay, now I'm in fight
or flight, or now I'm really

nervous, or now I'm really
anxious, and then to learn how

to sit with that and let the the
emotion be there, and then it

also goes away again. I love the
metaphor of a wave, for example,

right? Like it sometimes comes
with full power, but then it

also leaves you again. So rather
than being so scared of the

emotion and running away by
doing more sit with it for a

moment and actually see what
happens. Because oftentimes we

get so scared of what might
happen that we don't even give

it a try, right? And see what
actually happens, which

oftentimes is not what we were
so scared of, because emotions

really just stay with us for a
couple of seconds. What makes it

more difficult is that we create
stories about it, right? The

mind turns on, and we're like,
oh my god. Why am I anxious now?

Why is this happening? Why is
that happening? What am I going

to do? I'm not in a safe space.
And then we spiral. And then it

gets really, really huge.

It's really huge. Can you walk
us through how you sit with your

emotion? What does that look
like for you when you feel, when

you sense that emotion, what's
the process that you walk

through? Yeah,

great question. I think it's
really just acknowledging it in

the first place, right?
Noticing, like, Oh, wow. Now I'm

really I'm getting really sad,
similar to what we learned in

meditation, right? Like, I'm
trying not to judge it. I'm

trying not to over analyze. Or,
Why am I sad now? What is this?

What is that? I don't want this
feeling? I wanted to awake. No,

I'm just gonna be there. I will
take some deep breath, maybe

I'll close my eyes, and
basically, I wait for it to pass

without trying to attach too
many thoughts to it. I think

that's already very powerful,
and it sounds very simple, but

if we're not used to that. It's
definitely a practice,

yeah? Without judging it like,
we want to judge it, like, why

am I sad? Like, where? What is
wrong with me that I'm sad

again,

right? Exactly, exactly. It's
the same thing, yeah, what

is wrong that's, that's our go
to is something's wrong with me.

I'd already dealt with this. Why
is this coming back? And it's

just like you said, it's, it's
an, it's a life long evolution

process. And it's, it's the
learning of how to process that,

to actually sit with it and go,
Okay, not go away, but just sit

with and go, Okay, I'm gonna
feel sad. Let's It's okay. Let's

do this. And you Yeah, so
beautiful. And it is simple, but

it's not easy.

No, I agree, yeah. And I think
talking about this kind of

belief, right, of what is wrong
with me, what I found very

powerful, and what I learned
throughout this process, this

transformation, is as well to
sometimes ask myself, well,

maybe it's not actually me
that's wrong, but maybe it's

what's around me, you know,
maybe it's the circumstances

that I'm in, maybe it is all
this work pressure, maybe it is

the job, maybe it's people in my
environment that are not really

good for me. So I think it's so
important to turn that narrative

around as well, right? And
rather than blaming it all on me

to see, okay, maybe there's just
something in my surroundings as

well that doesn't quite fit me,
that doesn't quite fit what I

need. Yeah,

yes. And being an empath, I
don't know if you're an empath,

but like, I definitely yeah,
there are, there are times that

I'm like, I don't think this is
mine at all, like this, yeah,

so, you know, I just seem to
collect other people's thoughts,

other people's feelings, and
that that has been something

that I've had to learn to
release, release that and

recognize, oh, this really isn't
mine. Okay, let's, let's go

through the release of that so,
so powerful, because that's such

a good point. It doesn't
necessarily you don't have, may

not be yours, and that is
something that we need to look

at in our surroundings as well.
Yeah. So good. Yeah. So when

you, when you help people
regulate their nervous system.

What is it that you what's your
favorite modality that you use?

I

think it's really important to
think about what works for the

client, right? Because we're all
very different. For some of us,

meditation works really well for
others, breath work works really

well for others. It can just be
looking outside of the window

right, be away from your phone,
be without distractions. But

just like observe nature,
observe whatever you see. There

one great one for anxiety that I
always love to share is the

54321, method, I don't know
you've heard of it.

I I've heard like Mel Robbins,
54321, but I'm not sure that

I've heard this. So yes, please
share it.

It could be that one, but I
think it's really powerful. It

works very well for me with
anxiety, when thoughts are

really spiraling and I feel like
I just can't get out of my own

thoughts. I can't get out of my
own head. And it's super, super

simple. You can do it anywhere
you don't need anything forward.

So basically, you observe your
environment and you Name five

things that you can see, four
things that you can hear, three

things that you can feel. So for
example, I don't know the fabric

of your shirt or the sun in your
face or the wind or whatever you

have, right? Maybe just an
object that you can put into

your hands, two things that you
can smell and one thing that you

can taste. And by coming back
into the five sentence, senses,

you can really, very well get
out of our thoughts, which are

usually where the anxiety is
coming from, right? It's a bit

on what we touched on earlier,
that story that we create in our

head.

Okay, that's so beautiful. So
five things you can see, four

things,

four things you can hear, okay,
three things that you can feel,

two things that you can smell
and one thing that you can

taste. Very simple. You can do
it anywhere,

yeah, I think I saw a part of
that on a hallmark. I think he

was doing that while he was in
his truck. He was like, okay,

sit down. Five. What can I see?
He didn't go all the way through

the process, but I have actually
heard parts of that before, but

I love that just brings you back
to the present moment instead of

absolutely, yeah, our trail of
thoughts the reason why we get

so anxious because we're worried
about something happening in the

future that's probably never
going to happen. I love that so

much. That's beautiful. Yeah,
yeah. Much recommend it? Yeah.

There's so many different
modalities out there for nervous

system regulation, and you're
right. I mean, there's what we

use as coaches are, are
typically what work for us, but

there's tapping, there's
meditation, there's breath work,

yeah, so much out there. And I
think what works for you as a

coach is going, you know, you're
obviously that's going to work

for your clients too, because
you believe in it. And it's hard

to recommend. You know, when you
have like, 10 different

modalities, you know, which one
do you choose? It's so

confusing.

Indeed, I think it's really
about trying them out, right?

Like, there's, like, you say, so
many different ones. Like,

sometimes it already helps to
just move the body, Just Dance.

Dance, right? Even that, put on
your favorite song and get

dancing, or push against the
wall or have a cold shower.

That's a great one, too. So what
I really love to do with clients

is have them write a list, and
always carry that list with

them, because whenever we are in
the stressful moments, we

usually don't remember them. We
know, okay, we learned something

there. My coach spoke to me
about something, but when we're

really in distress, we just
can't remember. So that's kind

of like the emergency list that
I recommend everyone to write

with the things that work for

them. Yeah, I love that so much.
Yeah. So what else would you

love for the audience to know
about burnout? Maybe how they

can avoid it, some tips to
overcome it, how to step out of

it. I think that's a scary thing
too. Is making that step out and

maybe doing something different
or slowing down. What would be

your favorite thing to share
about burnout?

Probably that our body doesn't
have this reaction, or even our

mind, our system doesn't have
this reaction just for fun,

right? It's basically a message
that our system brings to us,

and I think that's very
important, right? Because I

remember for myself too, I was
so upset again, this thing of

like, oh, but everybody else can
cope and everybody's fine. Why

can't I? I really want to
continue being in this job,

because that's just my reality
now, and I'm so scared of what

else might be out there, and I
don't even know what to do. So I

think just know that it's really
it comes from a place of love.

Your system wants to protect you
and it wants you to feel better,

and it's a message to start
taking care of yourself. I think

that, and also that really, we
always come out on the other

side. It might be a tough
process, but I'm so much happier

after I stepped out of it and
started exploring who I really

am and what I really want. And
this is also what I see with

clients, right? I haven't really
seen one client who said to me,

Oh, I wish I had stayed in that
job or in that situation, right?

It's not always because of work.
Can also be, I don't know,

because you're really busy with
raising kids or with household

chores or taking care of a
parent or or loved one. I think

that's important to know too,
right? Burnout is not always

necessarily bound to work.
Oftentimes it is, but not only,

but if you dare to take that
step, it's actually a step to a

better life, to a more aligned
life, 100%

100% but it is that's that's a
tough step to take, but just

like you said, 100% agree, your
body's telling you something,

and it's what we don't know is
that when we're in that fight or

flight, our body's not designed
to be in that survival mode, and

So you may not get ill now, but
your physiology in the future,

it's going to show up in the
future. And I have seen, I have

seen women and men, because I
used to practice medicine, you

know, I used to practice
medicine years ago, but I have

seen men that the symptoms of
that survival, fight or flight

were actually in their body in
deceit disease states. So, you

know, you don't want it to get
there. You don't want to get to

that point where your body's
like, Okay, you're not

listening. Let's completely shut
her down. And so, yeah, it's

like, it's, it's a notice. It's
a flashing red light going,

Okay, it's, let's take a look at
what's what's going on here. So

be 100%

and I think that's why the most
important message, really, is

step out of it as soon as you
can, or at least get help as

soon as you can, right as soon
as you notice that you're not in

alignment, you're overwhelmed,
you're stressed, you may be

depressed, anxious. I mean, it
can show through so many

different symptoms, but if
there's one thing I would like

to change, if I could go back in
time, I wish I would have taken

the science more seriously
earlier on, because I still

dragged myself through this
period, I think, for a year or

so, and it took me years to feel
better. And I really wouldn't

want this to happen to anyone
else. So if you can step out of

it now, and there's always a way
to to do that, yes,

yeah, and I'm sure you walk
women through that, men and

women, yeah. So how? Tell me how
that people can find you. Where

can people find you? To get more
information on how you can help

them in this

situation. Yeah. So the best way
is actually on LinkedIn. Just

type in my name, Kim Mattson,
you will find me there as

burnout psychologist. Drop me a
message. I'll be very happy to

hear from you guys. We can have
a first chat and see if I can

help.

Beautiful, beautiful. Any last
words? Words you would like to

share with everyone. Such a
great conversation. Thank you so

much for being here. Yeah,

likewise. Thank you. No, I
think, I think we touched upon

everything. I guess just yeah,
maybe also, from my own

experience, doing therapy is
great. Having a coach or a

psychologist who helps you
through it is great. But I

think, and I touched upon that
very briefly earlier on. There's

so many different parts of it,
right? So also take care of your

body. Make sure you're moving to
get that stress out in a

physical way, right? Make sure
you're eating a good diet, no

processed food, lots of
vegetables, because all of that

influences our mental health,
really. So that's very important

too.

Yeah, thank you for adding that.
That's a valuable piece, for

sure. Thank you. Kim, so
amazing. Thanks. Deonna, yeah,

yeah, for sure. You guys get in
touch with her. LinkedIn is her

jam. I That's how I found her.
That's how we connected. And so

glad to have a new friend and
you are doing such amazing work

in this world. So keep doing
what you're doing. You're

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difference in mine today, and I

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