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A show about loving freaks and hating algorithms.
What up hogs, give up on your academic
dreams immediately because
the only league you'll be
able to attend now is of legends. The
certifications are made up and the
education you get doesn't
matter. We might not be able to have nice
things anymore, but we can always have
Super Despair World.
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I've been trying to make a little chart
or something of all the
places like that we can confirm
there are Super Despair World stickers
out in like the US just like based on
like photos people have
taken in our discord. So far I can
confirm there are some Super Despair
World stickers out in the
wild in both New York and Michigan. I
think there might be a
third state I'm forgetting,
but that's very exciting. Yeah, pretty
soon you know it's gonna be
global. We're dropping those
bitches everywhere just like propaganda
pamphlets in North Korea or
something like that. Did you
ever hear the story about how Red Bull,
the energy drink got started as like a
marketing project or
whatever? Well, oh well no, not really.
From what I heard, they basically gave a
bunch of like people
who go to like big fucking like clubs or
clubs or whatever in big
cities. They just had them walk
into the club with an empty can and just
put like empty cans of Red Bull on the
table to make people
think, "Oh, this is like the the hip new
drink that everybody's
drinking at these clubs." We're like,
"No, people just like littered the
fucking cans everywhere." And
it worked. It fucking worked.
Oh man, that's awesome. That's like
putting people in the
windows of like coffee shops and
shit to make it look like people love
patronizing this place when really
they're just plants.
Everything's fake. It's like the fucking
crew. It's like the bit
in Home Alone where the kid
puts all the fucking cardboard cutouts on
the railroad track and
they just like make it look
like a big fucking party is happening
behind the windows. Yeah, I do that all
the time. Number one,
to keep intruders away because I listen
to a lot of true crime
podcasts. I'm very scared. And also,
if anybody I know walks by, they're going
to think, "Wow, what a cool
and popular guy is having a
party." Have I ever talked on the show
about how sometimes at like
11 or 12 pm at night or some
shit, I will just like with the lights
off in my living room, kind
of like stand menacingly by the
window just in case somebody's watching
me and they'll see my
outline and freak the fuck out.
It makes me feel like I am the night,
like I am Batman and I'm
like cool and intimidating.
Yeah, that's no, but that's one way of
thinking about it. But
really, somebody's going to walk
by and just be like, "What a fucking
weirdo just standing in the window in the
dark, just staring."
Yeah, well, jokes on them because I live
in the fucking woods and they'll be
standing in the woods
and that's weirder than whatever I'm
doing. Hey, we tell all these kids to
touch grass and then
you're going to say it's weird to stand
in the woods. Come on, pick a lane.
Look, there's a time and a place, never
mind. This has been haunting me a little
bit since last week.
The last episode we did was number 64 and
at no point in that episode did I
reference the little
video of the kids opening the fucking
Nintendo 64 shouting like,
"Nintendo 64!" I don't know,
that's just lived with me ever since then
and I regret not bringing
it up. Yeah, well, I put it
in a little TV if you watch or listen to
this on YouTube. I've
never listened to our own show.
No, I'm just kidding. I have once in a
while. It's all right.
It's an all right show. Yeah,
all right. Enough beating around the
bush. I feel like we had to establish a
few good vibes because
this might otherwise be a very depressing
episode today. Maybe to get
us started off with, this was
it intentionally meant to be an episode
about some stuff
happening in the news recently,
specifically about I think it was like a
bunch of foreign students going to
Harvard. They're not
taking any more foreign students at
Harvard. All foreigners are
like banned in universities
or some shit now. I don't know. I don't
really follow the news.
This is not really a news show
and part of the reason behind that is
like I've been looking
at some headlines earlier
and just to put things into perspective,
it's like, okay, headline two days ago,
Trump team pauses new student visa
interviews as it weighs expanding social
media vetting. One day
ago, Trump says Harvard should caps
foreign students at 15%.
Seven hours ago, judge blocks
Trump administration's foreign student
ban at Harvard. Okay, shit
happens way too fucking fast.
This is why we're not a new show, but I
did kind of want to talk more broadly
about like education
and why things are a little bit fucked up
right now in this episode.
Yeah. Well, to preface this,
things have been pretty fucked up in
education and higher education
specifically for quite a while.
Now, yeah, the university system has
never been great, but it's
been on a, I don't want to say
slow decline. It's been on a pretty rapid
decline in the past.
Especially recently. Yeah. Yeah.
Especially recently, but yeah, I mean
like exponentially
getting worse since I was in
college and it was never really that
great to begin with, but yeah, I mean,
and we could talk about,
so with this whole issue, the ones, well,
the ones that we're
hearing about at least
are the Ivy leagues, specifically
Harvard, and I think Yale as
well. And I feel bad for these
Ivy league universities. They've had it
too hard for too long
and now they're just,
they're getting harassed by orange man
who is bad by the way,
if you didn't know that.
Yeah, it's really rough. So like we've
talked a little bit about
education before and like
viewers of the show are no strangers to
like how the schools are kind
of fucked up, how, you know,
maybe it's bad that we kind of just treat
this as like a for-profit
thing where you go and spend a
lot of money to get a little bit of paper
saying you're allowed to
be employed in like slightly
less shit-ass jobs if you're lucky or
something. I don't know. I
feel like that entire social
contract has kind of fallen apart over
the last however many
years. And of course, things have
only gotten worse. You know, I was last
in college around, it was 2019 when I
dropped out. And since
then it's like, okay, they had the whole
COVID thing and everything
shut down. They had the whole
fucking boom in people using AI to like
do all their homework or
whatever. And now we've got all
these like fucking insane crackdowns
related to like various different like
social issue protests.
I know which ones, we'll get into it
later. And it feels like, I
don't know, on the one hand,
you know, I don't want to look at
something like the Ivy League schools,
which I think exists
basically to just like stratify people
into like, oh, you went to this school,
you get to be part of
the elite, maybe whatever. I don't know.
I, you know, I don't, I
don't really like the Ivy League
schools. I don't want to defend them. But
at the same time, you know,
I look at the attacks going
on towards these schools right now. It's
like, okay, maybe it's
Harvard today, but it'll be like
plenty of other schools tomorrow, later
this week, maybe in a
few hours, maybe right now,
while we're recording, and I'm not
looking at the news, right this second.
And it's like, okay,
we have to like draw a line here, like,
okay, maybe these schools
kind of suck ass. But I do think
maybe we shouldn't let our ire towards
them for being like a
flawed system, get in the way
of us thinking, okay, this is this is
like an attack on universities and
education as a whole.
And that's that's pretty fucking bad. And
it kind of kind of
scares me a little bit.
Yeah, yeah. And that's the thing. I mean,
fuck Harvard, but also,
also fuck people who go to Harvard, I
don't care. I think
they're probably all assholes.
I don't like defending these students.
But also, like, you kind of
have to I don't know, I feel
like the thing that always pulls me back
from whenever I'm feeling
a little bit reactionary
is like, okay, Briar, I have to I have to
coexist with people who I
think are kind of fucking
annoying, like college students, but
still. Yeah, well, the
student when you're that young,
you don't know any better. It's their
it's their parents and
the whole system that they
that they live in. But yeah, I mean, to
your previous point,
that is kind of how these
institutions exist. It's really just kind
of a like an in group out
group thing. And I don't know,
maybe you could weasel your way into
Harvard or something like
that, through pure merit. But
really, a lot of it is like, how do how
you do on standard? Yeah,
like college entrance exams and
your extracurriculars and shit like that.
And a lot of that comes
down to class at the end of the
day, you can't be a complete it. Well, I
was gonna say you can't be
a complete idiot and go to a
go to an Ivy League school. But we all
know that's not true. There
are there are many different
types of intelligence. I think about this
often. Who is the one guy
I think he died of COVID or
some shit like that. He was like a like a
black doctor guy who was
part of like the first Trump
administration a couple years ago. It was
like, yeah, he was just
some like right wing chud dip
shit. But he was also like a world
renowned like fucking brain surgeon or
something. Herman Cain,
Herman Cain, I want to say that I'm
pretty sure. Watch it be like
some other guy and everybody's
like, Oh my god, the show's so racist.
They can't tell apart. I don't know. I
don't think about these
Neil deGrasse Tyson. Oh, god, can you can
you imagine a fucking Neil
deGrasse Tyson became like
an out and out like Trump guy? Yeah.
Anyways, whatever. Yeah,
Herman Cain, I just think of
Mexicans are the least logical minority
to have in the country. Yeah, I don't
know if that's what he
sounds like. Herman Cain was a he was a
black voices for Trump
guy. I don't know. I didn't
fuck politics. I'm done with this shit. I
don't know. This whole
this whole thing is dumb. But
the point was like, Oh, yeah, you could
have this guy who was like, by all
accounts, a brilliant
like brain surgeon or whatever. But like
you look at his politics, you
look at him talk on a stage,
just like, wow, this is one of the
dumbest fucking people that's ever lived.
He maybe just has like,
I don't know, a specific kind of autism
that makes him really good at brain
surgery or some shit.
I don't know. Brains are weird that some
people are just like that. I don't know.
In that's kind of the thing is that's
like that's cool to be good
at being a brain surgeon. The
problem with with with STEM genius types
is they tend to think
that they're very, very hyper
specific and very hyper focused, like
skill or training in our
aptitude in one realm, like,
kind of translates to being, being, being
smart and other in
other avenues, which is,
which is definitely not the case. I mean,
the thing with those guys is basically
that they think like,
oh, everything's actually just like a
computer and I'm good at computers. So
that means everybody
else is just like a less sentient life
form than I am or whatever.
And like, I don't know, that's,
that's just become like the heart of the
fucking modern far right
movement or whatever. Yeah.
That's, that's what the Big Bang Theory
is all about. I'm pretty
sure I never watched the show,
but that's in my mind, that's what I
imagine. The Big Bang Theory
was like originally a weird
incel plan to get laid exactly once and
have it be a very
explosive. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's,
that's true. You're right. I don't
actually ever remember what it is like
the guy's catchphrase in
the Big Bang Theory is because I know the
Zinga, right. See, in my
head, my mind just immediately
jumped to Zimbabwe, which is like the
weird like joke that everybody makes
about it. But anyway,
I just never remember that. I've never,
never heard that before. So
everybody must not be making
that joke. It's like, it's like bazinga
becomes Zabinga becomes
Zimbabwe. I don't know. Never mind.
Fucking the internet is dumb. Okay. Yeah.
Well, I don't know. Yeah. I think, I
think you're spending
too much time on a, on blue sky. That
sounds like a blue sky
joke. I think I, to be fair,
I think that was like a tumblr joke like
eight years ago. I think
I'm showing my age. Well,
well, there you go. That's the tumblr,
the tumblr crowd is now on, now on blue
sky for sure. I think,
I think the tumblr crowd is on
antidepressants these days, but yeah,
probably. Hopefully. Anyway,
where were we going with this? Well, you
were talking about
Herman Cain for some reason.
I don't know. Right. I guess the point
is, you know, there's a
lot of different kinds of
intelligence and like people can be
really dumb in some ways
and really smart in others.
And that's, that's kind of like the, the
thing about college
students, right? I don't really like
to defend them. I think, you know, by and
large, in the last couple of
years when I was in university,
right, I looked at like the kids who were
like, like fresh out of
high school or whatever,
like sitting across me in the cafeteria
and I'm like, Oh, these
are a bunch of like weird,
like unevolved little apes. And I don't
belong here. I should
have, I should have gotten out
of this place a long time ago. And as
much as, you know, as much
as we can point to like real
legitimate problems with like the
university system or like
how college students, you know,
they're, their hearts are in the right
place. They're not
always the smartest people.
Some of them make very unwise decisions
like, Oh, I'm gonna own Ben
Shapiro when he has like the
podium and the microphone and gets to
just say whatever. I don't know.
Regardless of all that,
you know, I do think the institution of
education is really
important. And I look at, you know,
I think a lot of people are a little bit
gleeful right now on both
sides of the aisle, frankly,
that like the whole system is kind of
like burning down and falling
apart. But like, when you when
you look past that, I feel like, Oh, I
don't think there's actually
going to be anything to replace
it soon. I think we're headed towards a
very, a very dark immediate
future where education just
isn't really a thing anymore, at least in
the US. And I'm kind
of worried about that.
Yeah, well, I mean, I try not to be an
accelerationist, but it was
kind of going this way anyways,
without massive reforms. It's, it's, it's
like, so my, my thing is,
since I was, you know, like in
high school, even the the whole idea of
like, you know, go to college
and get a degree and it gives
its worth whatever you pay for it and it
helps you out in life.
That shit was already over.
That was yeah, that was the social
contract. And like, I think a lot of us
still believed it back
then. I sure as fuck believed it. I went
to I went to university I,
I paid a lot of money for
it for stuff I got nothing out of and,
and yeah, and that sucks.
Yeah. And the thing is, like,
that's whatever that I mean, that sucks,
but it's kind of like,
it's kind of a symptom of
like an over educated society where
everybody, everybody like
goes to college and it's like you
well you can't it's not it's like the bar
raises then it's like if
everybody goes to college and
the degree is kind of it's just like high
school diploma version two.
It's like we can't all fucking
be administrators. Some people need to be
the person who is
administrative. You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah. And then we did that and then
it's like learn the code
and then it's learned a weld
and whatever and we just keep wavering.
Basically, the whole system
doesn't work and it's it's but
that's besides the point even if it was
that and it's the whole
economic and getting a job thing
is the problem. I don't really give a
fuck because that's a whole that's a
separate problem. And,
and obviously fucking school should not
cost what it does. It's that
it's fucking ridiculous. But
again, that's another problem. But the
one that people don't really
talk about as much as the like
I can't get a job even though I got a
degree I have two degrees
and and of and it costs a lot
of money and I'm poor now. Sure, like
that sucks. But here's the
real thing. On top of those two
problems, which are completely economic
based, the quality of the
education that you get from these
places fucking sucks. It's shit. And it's
in its it was not great
when I when I was an undergrad.
And I recently did a master's program
just for just for shits
and giggles, you know,
and holy shit. What a fucking waste of
time. Fucking higher
education is so bad now. It's like,
it's it's really just like you would get
more out of out of like
YouTube and a library card,
honestly, because it's the same shit.
Like we don't need this this thing
anymore. And now it's to the
point where literally, literally the only
thing you're getting out
of this is a piece of paper
that says you did this. One of the it's
pretty fucked. Yeah, one
of the really, the really
amusing sentiments I've seen shared on
the Internet for a while, which is my
wordy way of saying memes.
One of my favorite memes is people
pointing out like, oh, business students
will will sit in class
for like two hours and just see like they
on the on the board that
the professor has written,
profit equals revenue minus cost as if
like this is like some
brilliant fucking thing that these
like future like financial leaders of
society need to need to really put their
nose to the grindstone
to learn. It's like, oh, wow. A lot of
stuff, especially in the
fucking business financial
sector is like basically fucking remedial
level math with like a few a few
buzzwords stapled on
top of it. Not that I'm one to talk, of
course, you know, I
originally went to university to get
a fucking fine arts degree, which I know
it really fucking dumb don't need it.
But, you know, I never
I never finished that. And, you know,
that's one of the the
clearest examples of like, oh, yeah,
nowadays, you really can just learn to do
all that bullshit online. And like, I
really think, you know,
that's one of those fields where where
your work really matters more than just
having a dumb fucking
piece of paper. But the problem is, you
know, we've been telling hundreds of
millions of people for
however many decades, you know, just just
go to school, just do 18 years of
education and get this
piece of paper, and you'll have a good
life. And that's like not
been the case for a long time.
But now. No, go ahead. Yeah, but but now
it like it's even worse
because I think, you know,
we kind of live in the age where like the
the euphemism is over. I
feel like everybody's going
mask off. Now, there's no like really,
there's no like, subtlety to
politics and like social issues
anymore. Everybody's just like openly fed
posting and saying whatever,
like mean, nasty, disgusting
thoughts cross into their minds. You
know, that's that's not necessarily a
left or right thing. You
know, I'm certainly guilty of telling
people to do some some very mean things
on the internet. But,
you know, that's the way things are now.
Everything's just like
out in the open. And I think
people being openly disillusioned with
the state of college, I think
it's, you know, that's that's
why we're in this acceleration is turned
out. I think there isn't
really a way to get out of this
other than like going forward, right? But
in in the like fucking inevitable
collapse of this system,
I don't think there's anything being set
up to replace it. I think,
at least in America, right,
I look at all the fucking things going on
with with higher education
and laws being used to fucking
persecute students for having the wrong
like political views or
whatever. And I think it's
just gonna get a lot worse. I think I
don't know. I think some dark
times are ahead. And I don't
know what to do about it right now. Well,
that's the thing. I mean,
we're all fed up. Like everybody,
everybody except for except for the most
isolated people, which are
either the the sinister, like,
super upper crust, and then the like,
everything is fine as long
as they as long as Obama's in
office and that placates me gated gated
community liberal types.
Yeah, everybody except the literal
like cigar smoking old men in boardrooms
who are like
puppeteering society or whatever.
Yeah, yeah. But um, but like, I mean,
fundamentally, the idea, like, even
though we both said, you know,
you could learn all this shit on your own
and stuff, it's like,
well, I mean, it would be cool
to have to have you in like schools and
higher education where you have a
community. You're held
accountable. You have mentors around you.
You have places you can meet people and
study and stuff like
that. And that's what it should be. But
like, now it's getting the point where
like, especially like
online education, like I took some online
classes, like, it is so fucking
pointless. You're just
watching like some shit that a professor
recorded like a year and a
half ago. Just in and then like,
you just submit some shit on a forum.
There's like discussion posts
where like people just do the
bare minimum like bullshit, like
responses to yes, I agree with that that
I like to your point that
and then they just like, like copy and
paste a sentence that I'm
so guilty I participate in so
many of those dumb fucking forums. Oh,
yeah, you know, I, I really
don't want to give credit to
this guy. Don't take this as me praising
a certain streamer. This is
me saying the education system
is worse than that. But I feel like you
know, I've I've done a little
bit of the online school thing
before. And it's like, maybe the system
really fucking sucks when
this like whole online class
is less engaging than being a chatter in
a fucking as been gold
stream. You know what I mean?
Oh, for sure. For sure. Absolutely. And
yeah, and also like, half of these
professors are adjuncts
because they don't want to pay for
faculty anymore. So like, they have
another job and this is like
their side gig and like, they do what
they can. Some of them and if you're
lucky. Yeah, if you're
lucky. And it's just like, this is the
fact that people are
still paying 1000s of dollars,
like per semester for these class. It's
fucking bullshit. And
it's fucking ridiculous.
We've like hollowed out the whole like
class of like educators or
whatever and replaced it with
like a fucking gig economy thing of like,
yeah, just fill in
whenever they have the free time.
And it's like, it's like anything else.
This is just the
distillation of every the
instantification of everything of
everything into its like most base
components, where it's just a
shell of itself with none of the original
like intention or, or
thing that made it good or
useful in the first place to save a
couple bucks. And but
everybody's just like, well, that's,
that's how it is. Now, I mean, that's
like school now. And some people don't
know any better. But for
some of us who have seen shit change
before, it's just like, well,
I mean, you know, social media
used to be fun. And now it's just like
ads and bots and like people fucking
molding. And but like,
I don't know if I necessarily, I don't
know if I necessarily agree
with that. I feel like social
media has always been dogshit. But I say
that as somebody who grew
up on like, actual internet
forums or whatever, which I don't think
our social media, I think
that was a different earlier
internet thing. And you know, I had a lot
of fun with that. I think
the whole move towards social
media has been a weird like, I don't
know, it just feels like I remember being
in high school around
the time Facebook was getting really
popular outside of like
just universities or something.
And I was like, it's weird that this
online service like really
wants me to use my real name
and share all this information or
whatever. Because like I grew up back in
the time where it was like,
Oh, never never reveal anything about
yourself on the internet.
The internet is all bullshit.
We were all kind of aware that this is
like just some goofy,
not real thing we're all
participating in. And I don't know, I
just don't really like the
way that the world has ended up
being shaped since then by by the
deliberate decisions of a few like
motherfuckers like Steve
Bannon and Mark Zuckerberg, you know,
sure, sure. But but I mean, they were
better before they were
tolerable before now. Oh, sure. It's
gotten worse over time. undisputedly.
Yeah, yeah. A steady
decline with a steep drop off. And just
just like with just like with
what we're talking about with
education, we started, we started at the
bottom and then we started
digging. Yes, exactly. Yeah,
I mean, that's, that's the thing about
this. And it's, it's, it's
very tempting for me especially
because this is a, this is a, the whole
education thing is something
that I that I fucking old man
yells at cloud rant about fucking
constantly just because it's so bad, like
to its core. But just
seeing how much worse it's getting, it's
it's very tempting to just say, yeah,
fuck it, burn it all
down. The problem is like the the what
how it's being burnt down.
This is not slash and burn
agriculture, which with the with the sole
intention of clearing land
and and like fertilizing the
soil so that we can plant anew and start
from the beginning. It's to
it's to salt the earth and just
destroy everything and put nothing of
value in its place except for like, just
fucking a pile of dog
shit, a pile of dog shit, not cow shit,
because cow shit would be
good manure. It's dog shit from
which nothing can grow. And I've tested
this because I have a hole
that I put dog shit in and
my the flowers won't grow on it. I come
from a long line of people who have
worked with the land
and putting shit into the land. And and I
can confirm that. Yeah,
that's that's what happens
when you put dog shit in a hole. Yeah,
yeah, don't, don't,
don't do that. Don't do that.
Um, but yeah, I was gonna say a couple
things, right? You know,
you brought up the the phrase
acceleration ism earlier. And you know,
for a long time, I always thought
acceleration ism feels like
a little bit of a, like a meme thing on
the internet, at least for
many years, I like I only
ever heard it in the context of like,
some weird like, like, Lenin
1488 poster on Twitter being
like, maybe we should just make
capitalism much worse. And then and then
my society can rise up
from the ashes or whatever. It's like,
okay, it's fucking crank
shit. But I legit feel like
nowadays, like, oh, there's really we
don't really have a choice
in whether or not the whole
acceleration thing happens. I feel like
it's happening. I feel
like the decision has been
made for us. And now we kind of just have
to live with the
consequences. There were a few things I
wanted to read here. There's a really
like, disturbing line in
like the big fucking like
letter memo, whatever from the government
about like shutting down
the fucking foreign student
visa interviews for Harvard. There was a
line from from everybody's
favorite, like modern day
Joseph Goebbels, fucking Nazi in office,
Stephen Miller, he says
here that the oh, this is this
sorry, this was specifically about a
judge saying they can't
fucking block foreign students or
whatever. Stephen Miller says, the ruling
is madness. And we don't
want to allow communists
from foreign nations into our country to
poison our campuses with
Marxist ideas. And then another
thing I'm a little out of order here from
the original letter, it
was saying something about
consequences must follow to send a clear
signal to Harvard and all
universities that want to enjoy
the privilege of enrolling foreign
students, that the Trump administration
will enforce the law and
root out the evil of anti Americanism and
anti Semitism in society
and campuses. And like, man,
we live in some dark fucking times. Like,
I have my issues with the
university system. But I feel
like we're getting to the point now, just
like a few months into this
administration where it's
like, oh, yeah, it's time to like
ideologically root out our enemies from
these institutions and
just like kick them to the curb or like
literally send them to El Salvador or
some shit to die in a
fucking death camp. I don't know. Pretty
scary stuff. Yeah. Stephen
Miller is such a weird dude.
He he really looks like like, like he
would he would be the actor who plays
like the the shitty,
like just gross, like villain type in any
movie that he's in, just
because he has he has just
such an unlikable aura about him. Yeah, I
but but yeah, it is it is
really funny how it's such like
grandstanding to like, I mean, just just
saying words, just saying
words like it does does anyone
who is not like a complete like x.com
weird crank, take this dude seriously. I
don't know. I feel like
you know, the decisions kind of made for
us. I feel like we kind of
have to take him seriously
because in a lot of ways, it kind of
feels like Stephen Miller might be like
the the the evil dark
vizier puppeteering the president from
behind the scenes kind of like what Dick
Cheney was with like
George Bush, you know, except, you know,
I, I think Stephen Miller in
a lot of ways is just like a
million times worse. He's like, I don't
know, some like, weirdly easy to draw,
but like hard to work
out how fucking like rotten his soul is
kind of person. I don't
know. I think in every way, you
know, Stephen Miller is a piece of shit.
And I just think, okay,
when we start busting out the
language about like, the evil of anti
Americanism must be rooted out from
society. I'm like, what
the fuck does that mean? Are we going to
start like ideologically
like punishing people for
believing the wrong things? But then
yeah, my well, yes, yes, we
are. But but also, as I finished
saying those words aloud, I'm like, okay,
it is pretty bad now,
because like, things are very
masked off. But then I look at like,
literally the entire history of the
United States. And it's like,
yeah, this this is pretty par for the
course. I guess I just have
to like, come to terms with the
fact that I'm living in like, whatever we
end up calling this this
is I know, in a lot of ways,
I think this is basically like a new
fucking McCarthy era that
there were all going through
at the moment. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Yeah, and it's in the
age, it's it's just it's just
whatever they they deem, like bad. Now,
yeah, communism always been
a thing always been always
been a no no word in in America. That's
one of the reasons they don't like
universities because
they're a bunch of they're a bunch of
damn postmodern
communist postmodern communism.
Liberal. I don't I don't even remember
what it's been so long
since I since I saw JP.
Did you see the recent he did like some
fucking Jubilee video? It
was like 20 atheists debate one
Christian, but then they like changed the
video title because he
wouldn't actually admit if he
was a Christian or not. Yeah, I I saw
some some like clips
recommended to me on YouTube. And I
was just like, I can't I can't I don't
know. Trust me when I say this one, it
was kind of funny to
see him get very mad. But like, there's
never a vacant hole in
your life that would be better
filled with a fucking Jubilee video ever.
Yeah, I think we should
just let this dude fall into
obscurity. As much as I like owning the
owning the chuds, this dude,
like totally lost his shit.
And most of his relevance a while ago,
just doing the like, epic debated with
facts and logic thing
with a guy who's like clearly just not
even not even on the like Ben Shapiro
level, the dudes just
like clear you're you're just you're
arguing with like a dude shouting at at
at the wall in in an
alley somewhere. I mean, the thing is,
right? It's been part of the
conservative playbook to just
like argue with college kids because
they're dumb and don't know any better
and don't have media
training. And this fucking Jubilee video
was just like Jordan
Peterson not even being able to win
against like a bunch of college kids. So
that's what I heard. He's
done. That is pretty funny.
But yeah, it's it's always really
tempting to call like people I don't
like, especially, you know,
like right wingers or whatever, like
brain at all or brain damage
or they have the brain rot or
something. But like, you know, in the
case of JP, I am actually pretty sure
he's so without severe
brain damage with his with our drug detox
thing. So yeah, no, he's
he's he's done. He's done. I
mean, yeah, a lot of these other dudes, I
mean, they're they have a
different type of deep, deep
brain poison. But that guy is like,
actually, just like, like unwell, like
unwell. It's it's not it's
not it's not a dunk to win an epic debate
with that. JP is fucking
everywhere at the end of time
right now. He's at the part of the album
where it's just a bunch of noise. You
know, if you get that
reference. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
He's yeah, we just need to
let that let that track play out
and and then, you know, change the change
the album. Let it you
know, let it let it end. Let it
end by Jordan. It was fun. Is it is it
oversharing to say that I actually can't
listen to that album?
Something about the whole topic of like
degenerative brain diseases is just I
don't know. It's a little
upsetting for me. I actually can't listen
to that shit. Front to the
front to back. Yeah, yeah. I
mean, I get that. I get that for sure.
Kids these days, they don't listen to
albums anymore. It's
just top 50 Spotify chill playlist to to
to vibe to to vape to. Yeah.
And that's that's kind of like
what that's kind of what like the entire
education system has become.
I feel like, you know, when I
was talking earlier about this whole
like, oh, we live in the the times where
like, it's there's the
death of the euphemism. We've kind of
like given up on all pretenses of like
the the Oh, some some
guy just drove really loud by my house. I
was I was saying we've kind
of given up on these these
pretenses of like, oh, that there's a
broader point that there's something that
there's some meaning
to all these like dumb little tasks and
these dumb little like hoops
that we have to jump through.
And there really isn't. I feel like, you
know, we said before, I
don't blame people who are in
college now, who just use like chat GPT
to write their fucking essays without
questions like, who am
I to like lecture these people like, you
know, you're actually
robbing yourself of something of
a really important lesson in writing this
like shit ass essay about
some shit you don't actually
care about. When it's like, no, you're in
this you're in this
university to get a paper so you
can like get that bag and not live the
rest of your life in fucking
poverty. Who am I to like give
exactly exactly. And that's it. And I've
seen all this bullshit.
All these all these opinion
pieces and all these all these news
articles and go like, oh, chat chat GPT
in schools is such a
problem. Because whatever, like how do we
deal with this? Oh, the AI
detector, there are no AI
detectors. They don't work. And okay,
like you're gonna make them
write essays and class. Okay,
cool, whatever. Do you people are? Oh,
you're missing the point.
You're missing the point of
this all together. And as much as I
fucking hate AI bullshit, and and I hate
what these people are
doing. And just just everyone. So it's
just like, what this is
doing, I guess silver lining in a
sense. And I'll get back to this is it's
showing the cracks and the
fundamental problems in this
system is like, okay, yeah, 20 years ago,
they didn't they had to
they had to write. They had to
write an essay or like, they could copy
and paste from Wikipedia. But like,
that's easy to check or
whatever. But like, the thing is like,
why do people want to
cheat? Why? Why do they not give
a fuck about any of this? Why is
everybody just phoning it in? And it's
just like you said before,
because this isn't about learning this
isn't about being better,
being smarter and getting good at
writing or learning mathematics or nobody
believes in the joke
anymore that you know,
university to become a more well rounded
person like that doesn't
put fucking food on the table.
Nobody gives a fuck how well rounded you
are. Exactly. And they
should because like, all of
this like matters. And it does make you
like, like just overall smarter if you're
and to be clear, by the way, I do care
very much how well rounded
certainly yes, in my life are.
Yes, the feeder, the feeder comes back.
Yeah. But like, but but
that's the thing is like,
it's it it's it's very clear now that
this is just a system that makes you wake
up at a certain time,
come here, do the tasks, do what you're
told, fill in the blanks, blah, blah,
blah. And it's like,
and it's such a trite point of like wake
up, I'm a robot, I do all
this stuff. And it's like,
this was like edgy, you know, kind of
like Gen X, like against the
system shit back in the 90s.
I mean, that was like the that was like
the counterculture I
grew up in my whole life.
I remember being a teenager and I was
like, Whoa, maybe maybe
people shouldn't conform to the
majority. Maybe we should think for
ourselves. And like, back then, I do
think that was actually
a little bit subversive. But it's like, I
don't know, maybe maybe we
need to change how we talk
about these things for the modern times a
little bit. Yeah, and I
agree. But also, like I've seen
the pushback on this. And there's there's
people now and they're
just like, huh, in those days,
it was like people were mad because they
had a boring job that
paid the bills, but it wasn't
fulfilling. Oh, I wish I had that. And
it's like, No, you don't. That's not the
point. It's not like
we should like regress back to this shit
because like, you had more money for
goodies. Like you're
not you're you're everybody's missing the
point here. It's like,
this has always been bullshit,
but we could make it better instead of
just like, Oh, now the
cracks are showing. So like,
let's just fill in the cracks because I
because I want I want a
job. It's like, no, man, like,
fucking in. Here's here's the thing.
Like, I think all this shit should be
fucking demolished. The
entire education system, a lot of these
institutions that we find ourselves in
the fucking like the
work economy and how jobs are and stuff
like this. Yeah, it's all
shit. But like destroying this
and putting like a worse system in its
place is not great either.
So and also like, yeah, even
even if you're somebody who doesn't
necessarily like the language or the
sentiment behind like
destroying the entire system, I think
okay, even if you
genuinely have some like real real
legitimate belief in reform or whatever,
I think the amount of reform you would
need to fix colleges
as they are right now is functionally
like indistinguishable
from just destroying it to
begin with. Like, yeah, raw has set that
deep. Yes. And here's the
thing I am I do advocate for
for completely demolishing this and
starting from scratch. Like, I don't
think it can be reformed.
I don't think there's just a few tweaks
here and there that that
we need to do. You have to
completely get rid of it, like completely
get rid of it. The problem
is you have to completely get
rid of it with a blueprint in place to to
to reconstruct it. And
and that's kind of how I
feel about all this shit is there's two
ways we can go. We because
this shit is getting fucked
either way. It's getting fucked. So the
car is already speeding
towards the brick wall. We can't
stop the car. We can just fucking jump
out of it. Yeah, right. And
it's in like we could do a
reconstruction afterwards if we all, you
know, shape the fuck up
and and and realize what the
fuck's going on. Or you just sit back and
go, oh, do Trump bad and
then let them like just put in
place like the worst possible replacement
for this, which is just that but but
worse or or that but
non existent unless you have enough
company tokens to go to
Wharton and and I don't know,
like just be shoveled through the the
good boy society. I don't I
don't really know what they
have in in mind for any of this Prager
you just go to Prager you. Yeah, I don't
know. I I know there
was some like big fucking streamer
recently recently. They tried
to do like a twitch streamer
university thing where you listen to some
fucking fucking lectures
from like, I don't know gamer
dipshits about like making a lot of money
as a twitch streamer. I'm
like, Okay, get out of here.
I think we need to we need to just like
the word gooner. You know, I
think we need to stop using
the word university so so liberally, I
feel like maybe, maybe we
need to be a bit more exclusive
and bring back some some prestige to the
term. But again, you know,
it's easy to look at a lot
of these these problems with like the
education system and be like,
Okay, well, you know, that's
that's just like, you know, capitalism
and the profit motive or
whatever. Yeah, that's why these
things suck or whatever. But at the same
time, you know, I think, you
know, a big reason that this
shit is falling apart, even faster
recently, is because there are just like
a lot of like really
fucking evil people who have like their
hands on all all of the
controls, right? Yeah, I think it's
hard to talk about the current situation
and like universities or whatever,
without looking at how
like a lot of this feels like a big
fucking backlash to the not
even just specifically the
the whole like pro Palestine movement
across the US or whatever, but kind of
like the whole recent
history of like student led protests like
a couple years ago with like,
the the big Black Lives Matter
rally around around George Floyd's death,
you know, and that was
like 2020 2021. I want to say
whatever was a couple years ago, I feel
like, you know, in a lot of
ways, there are people who are
like deeply invested in the destruction
of universities, not
just so that they can make
a little bit more money, but also so that
they can destroy universities
as like an institution where
like, young people can gather and like
learn ideas that might be critical of
like established bodies
of power or whatever. I think there are a
lot of people who are like deeply
invested in just like
rooting out, you know, in the words of
fucking Stephen Miller himself, the evils
of anti Americanism,
you know, being things that learning
things that I guess paint the US in a
slightly less favorable
light by, you know, doing something
crazy, like reading a fucking history
textbook or whatever,
all of this is like communist Marxist
propaganda. Now, you know, we live in the
new fucking McCarthy
era. And I think, you know, we try to we
try to have fun with
things on the show, we try to,
you know, keep it light, we try to keep
it mostly around like, you know, laughing
at like dumb fucking
weirdos or whatever. But I do think we
kind of need to talk about
the whole fucking like Israel
lobby and how you know, they've just been
kind of going into overdrive lately,
really cracking down
on student protests and like just, you
know, pouring a lot of gasoline on the
already raging fire of
what universities are becoming at the
moment. Yeah, yeah. That
and that is a huge part of it.
And and to your previous point, this this
whole like, universities
are are liberal, and therefore
bad. This has been going on way before
like BLM or anything like that. But yeah,
it certainly reached
ahead recently with the with the with the
protests that pro
Palestine, hey, Israel, maybe stop,
you know, killing kids. That's that's an
idea you guys should think
about type of type of protests.
And it's it's really funny, the the
response that because the thing is, a lot
of these universities
themselves had a shit response to this.
One of the reasons, well,
you know, liberals are always
like, guy, we understand you're upset.
But like, also, can you just like, can
you write a letter to
your congressman instead? We don't really
like protests. They make us
uncomfortable. And, you
know, it's just disruptive to their
business model. They don't want to they
don't want to like, deal
with any of that. More broadly, a lot of
universities are are at
this point, just kind of like
investment firms and like, like, it's
like it's like it's like four or five
different hedge funds
wearing a large coat. Yeah. And like, and
they're like development
firms. And a lot of them are
funded by drumroll, please, Israel. So
they're just like, oh, shit,
like, guys, can you cut that
shit out? Maybe please don't don't do
that. And it's really it's
really funny that the whole
the whole Trump squad is is against this
because like suddenly they care about
Jews in anti-Semitism
when it's when it's in the the realm of
like Israel doing
genocides. Then all then they care
about this all the most like racist
people you've ever met in your entire
life are now suddenly
very concerned with one specific type of
racism that is supposedly everywhere
like, okay, come on,
guys, shut the fuck up. I see. I've seen
how you guys talk about Jews
like when the mics aren't on.
Okay. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, and yeah,
it's it's really, it's it's
really strange, the whole,
the whole dynamic with all this shit now.
And it's just it's it's
just another thing that just
makes you man. Wow. How can how can you
believe in any of these
institutions when they're just so
they're so fucking they're so gutless
when it comes to fucking
anything when it comes to anything
just yeah, like fuck off. Yeah, it's kind
of insane. I remember
one of the little details
about the the the protests that really
struck that they really
stuck with me was there was like
some guy that was funding these like like
vans or trucks or
whatever to drive circles around
universities and like broadcast on a big
screen on the side of the
truck like names and like
personal details of students who they
deemed like today is
anti-semite of the day or whatever,
because like somebody posted something on
social media or whatever.
And I'm like, wow, it really
says something that like the whole
university isn't doing anything to
protect students from
this obvious like fucking flagrant form
of like harassment or
whatever. It's like, it's just
insane what people get away with. And
also like, you know, we like to think of
universities as like
a very liberal place or whatever. But
like, I don't know, in my
experience, like, I look back
at all the professors I had in
university. And for the most part, a lot
of them weren't really like
that forward about their politics. I
guess I remember I had
some some weird instances,
there was like a class that I had to take
for a credit once it was
like a women's studies course,
but it was like the the history of
psychology or something like
that. And I had a really weird
experience where like, I took this class
for like three weeks or
something. And it was a really
uncomfortable time because I was like the
only person in that in
that room who was like not a
cis woman or whatever. And I remember we
were going over like the
course syllabus and the
professor was talking something about
like, for the big project
at the end of the semester,
you need to interview three women in your
life and ask them about
their fucking like like, uh,
fucking bleeding bleeding time of the
month, whatever period
cycle or like, Jesus fucking
Christ, I'm gonna not do that. So what
the fuck does it have
to do with women like?
I have no idea. It was a it was an insane
course. I feel I feel bad
that I was there for three
weeks. I feel extra bad that I didn't ask
to go out with the girl
with the pretty hair who sat
next to me. But regardless, you know,
I've had some weird college
professors, like I said, I
studied as a as a fucking fine arts
student. So a lot of my my professors
were like, you know,
the kind of like weirdo gen x like used
to be a hippie now it's
just kind of like smokes weed
sometime type of person or whatever.
Yeah. And like, I guess
these people are nominally like
left leaning in the sense that they'll
tell you not to say the
word retarded or something like
that. But otherwise, like I don't really
know how how hip they are
to modern social issues. So
yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, it really
depends. I mean, there's a
spectrum for sure. But I mean,
they just tend to be like not even left
leaning like I'm, you
know, I'm with her or like I'm,
I'm a socialist or something like that.
Just kind of like, like, what what you
would assume what like
a centrist would be if it weren't like
for the fact that anybody who calls
himself a centrist is
actually like massively right wing. It's
just like, yeah, I
don't like I'm not a fucking
communist. But I also think like, yeah,
we shouldn't like, let
people die if they can't,
if they can't afford a surgery or
something like that. Just
also basic rational shit.
Also, like, let's not kid ourselves
people don't by and large
become college professors,
because they are like a deeply devoted
fucking like ideologue here to like
spread a message for
the cause. A lot of people become college
professors because they
had dreams of something
bigger and they gave up. So they decided
to teach about it instead. Yeah, or
they're just good at
being like academics. And that's like,
that's for a lot of people,
that's like kind of that's kind
of the end game for just somebody who's
good at academics. If you
can't really do anything besides
that a lot of them become professors,
which is, which is another
problem I have with the whole
system. And it's just like, yeah, you can
be really, really good at, at
mathematics or something like
that. But why are we having these people
teach, you know, like one on
one classes with normal people
who, who don't have the same acumen as
they do. But that's a,
that's a bit of a digression.
I mean, there's this, there's one thing,
right, where it's like,
okay, maybe a lot of these
people don't really like do anything that
valuable with their job. But
like, I do think, you know,
if I was to like, snap my fingers and
like fucking Thanos make a perfect
society appear, whatever,
I do think, you know, in my ideal vision
of universities, there
would be people who just
like devote their life to being an
academic or whatever, and sharing
whatever obscure nuggets
of knowledge they've honed over their
careers with a, with a
bunch of students. And I think,
you know, both, both those professors and
those students would do a
lot better in that situation,
if they could just, you know, study
because they actually want to be there
and not because they
have to jump through some hoops to get a
fucking like certificate or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And there should be
a, there should be like,
different types of academics who teach
the normal kids. And then if you,
if you become some, some like ultra high
up academic type, then
those people can mentor you
because like, I don't know, I, I've had
some, I've had some like
intro level or lower level classes
that were clearly taught by somebody who
does not want to teach at all.
They just want to do research
and they, and shit like that, which is
fine. But yeah, that, that
part is, that part is kind of
bizarre to me. I have a, I have really
distinct memories of one of
my college professors who I
took like multiple art history classes
under her. And I remember I
kind of hated the like one in
200 level classes, because like, the room
was full of a lot of people
who were just there for the
credit and they didn't really give a
shit. And it was like, Oh, the
the course syllabus was like,
we have to cover all this like boring
fucking material. And it's
like, it's not really fun.
And like the professor was like very
like, you know, wrote and like, about
everything. It's about
like, okay, do this assignment, write
this essay, blah, blah,
blah, whatever. But with the same
professor, I took another another class,
it was like a 400 level
fucking like art history of the
of the Baroque period or something. And
like this happened to be like
the subject that she like did
her fucking like master's thesis or
whatever in university on. And I could
tell like she was really
fucking into this subject. The whole the
whole class was like me and
like 11 other people. Yeah,
it was legit one of the most fun,
engaging, like interesting fucking
courses I've ever taken, you
know, probably the highlight of my entire
university career. Yeah.
And that's the thing is
like the higher level classes, they tend
to be smaller, more
focused. Yeah. People who actually
fucking give a shit and want to be there
for the for sure. For sure.
And in like the intro level
shit, it's like somebody else wrote that
syllabus. It's like
university mandated. It's
bullshit. It usually has some like dog
shit, mandatory fucking
textbook that costs one hundred
and seventy five dollars. I know. I know.
Yeah, you have to get the
new one. Not the not the last
edition because I'll say this. I'll say
this. I'll say this. One
of the one hundred level art
history courses I took with this lady was
like the history of like
modern art. And by modern,
we mean like the modern time period, last
like century or two or
whatever. And like, oh, we had
to do the obligatory part of the course
where we talk about how the
Soviet Union was bad because
they they crack down on artists or
whatever. I'm like, OK, I
agree. That was bad. But also like,
is this really here because it's
important or is this here
because we're supposed to
like learn anti-communist values or
whatever. I'm like, OK,
OK, I see what's going on.
Yeah, see, see, we don't need PragerU
just to have a bunch of
classes like that. Just jam some
a little proppy, a little propaganda. I
mean, we also we did also
talk about how fucking Jackson
Pollock was like funded by the feds or
whatever to be like a fucking
like slop media to get people
disinterested in art or some shit like
that. But that's that's
regardless. That's besides the
point. Fuck Jackson Pollock, by the way.
But anyway, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But yeah, I mean,
like, I don't know, I guess to to get
back to the broader point,
all this shit has been fucked
and it was going to be fucked either way.
I don't know. Like I have a
hard time because like the
the like Trump and friends in this whole
administration and just the entire milieu
that we find ourselves in. And like I
don't I don't even want
to just like pin all this
because it's kind of a Reddit take of
like, oh, Trump bad. And the reason
everything sucks now is
because of Trump because like that's a
very lib take because
like if if if Trump lost,
there would still be like a strong right
wing sentiment in this
country. And by the way,
everybody, we've talked about this
before, but if you're going to like lay
epic flee to Europe,
there's a lot of European countries which
are which are going through their little
flash wave as well. So you're probably
not going to escape that. And also
they're probably not
going to take you. Sorry. But like, I
mean, like the thing is it
would it would not be as blatant
and it would not be happening as fast.
But this was going to happen
eventually. I I truly believe
that unless unless of course everybody
just became epic woke
overnight. And we had like a
Bernie Sanders type person in office and
like everybody in the
GOP died of of Ligma, which
they all have. But it's it's it's
lingering right now. Yeah, we could we
could build an entire
ziggurat for every single individual
person who has ever worked at the
Heritage Foundation and
things would probably still not be
working out great. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And like that in that
in that bright timeline, which we don't
find ourselves in. No, we
don't have enough bricks
to build that many ziggurats. That's an
absurd idea. It will never
happen. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Unless you get rid of some strip malls in
Missouri and we can't do
that. Where are people going to
go to get discount shoes for? Yeah, call
that call that build build
back ziggurat. That's that's
my economic plan. This podcast brought to
you by discount shoes in
Stillwater, Missouri. I was I
was originally going to riff saying, oh,
instead of build back
bigger, I was going to say bigger
with a Z. But that sounds a little bit
like a word I don't want
to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We don't want to get demonetized. Wait,
we're not monetizing
the first place. What the
what? Yeah, we're big into ziggurats or
as we call them in the biz.
No, I'm not going to say it.
Can't make that joke. No. Yeah, but I
mean, like, so everything's
collapsing at a fast rate.
You could almost say that it's collapsing
at an accelerated rate.
It's it's collapsing as aggressively as
Joe Biden's cancer.
Let's put it that way. Oh,
too soon. I mean, he might be his ass
might be fucking just gone
by the time we upload this. So
if it is that his ass just did that,
corn, corn pop came
back from the grave just to
inject him with ask. And corn pop is
actually the medical
terminology for the for the weird,
mysterious flesh lump down. Oh, I'm
sorry. That was we're an hour into the
into recording. I don't
know. I listen this long. So it's fine.
True. True. We can we can
make all the all the off color
jokes in this part. I think maybe maybe
before we wrap up this
this very bleak and kind of
directionless episode, I wanted to touch
on the point. The thing
that I really struggle with is
like this is something I've been thinking
a lot about since the
election. And I know this is going
to sound like a very like, oh, libs owned
woke blown the fuck out
kind of kind of take here. But
I often feel like, did did the trans win
the culture war? Am I just
like not really accepting
it? I feel like, you know, most of my
life I look I look back on
being like a kid and having like
my little formative political years or
whatever. I remember being
on an early version of like,
funny junk on the Internet when I was
like 11 years old or
something. And like, it seemed like,
oh, everybody's making these these funny
little internet memes and
jokes about how how fucking
stupid George W. Bush is. I just kind of
like, for most of my life,
I always took it for granted
that oh, yeah, everybody just thinks like
conservatives are like
stupid and like fucking
weird, like, crystal fascists or
whatever. No big deal. But like, I don't
know, I think, you know,
I look at how propaganda has really
ramped up ever since like
the fucking gamergate era. And
now we're in the like, fucking 10th year
of 2016 or some shit like
that. And I'm like, oh, maybe
maybe all the like right wing propaganda
has actually gotten
through to people. Maybe the
average person is just like,
significantly more stupid and hateful and
like right wing in general
than I than I previously estimated. And
like, maybe maybe that's
that's part of why things are
this bad right now. And I don't really
know what to do or like, how
to adjust my my perspective to
figure out like is this am I right here?
Or like, am I just like, dooming out a
little bit about all
of this? No, they didn't win the culture
war. Like, if you if you
think of if you think of things on
a broad spectrum, I mean, there's there's
been obviously this is
like a bit unprecedented. And
that's the that's the argument everybody
always fucking make. Yeah,
I get it. This isn't fucking
a different time. It's a different wave
of conservatism, fucking
whatever. Like, this is
all this is all like angst from their end
and pushback on a lot of
shit. A lot of it is misdirected.
But like, even with this whole, you know,
crack down on on
everything anti woke and whatever,
we're still way way more progressive as a
society now than we were
in the fucking bush era, or,
you know, like, like before that. And
it's like, it's like a two
steps forward, and they're gonna
try to push you back. Like one, and it
might be two steps, but it's
not we're not gonna I don't
think we're gonna regress into like some
some like, like, here's
here's the thing. Are they
gonna try to make like being trans
illegal or something like
that? I mean, maybe, maybe like
that. There's probably gonna be some
fucking inconveniences for
people. But like, are you gonna
not allowed be not allowed to be gay
anymore? I don't see that
happening. I mean, like, when I
look at the trans thing in particular,
right, like not to discount
how bad like a lot of the legal
situations and whatever are like, yeah,
things are really fucking bad for a lot
of people. But also,
like, we also live in the age of like
stupid, stupid, like fucking exotic
ancient kings levels
of like luxury and convenience. It's
like, yeah, okay, yeah, I guess it's
gonna be a lot harder to
like transition through a doctor or some
shit. But there are literally
people who like just fucking
like order their like hormones or
whatever on the internet and go to like
forums to figure out
how the fuck to do it. And in spite of
like the fucking like social
media milieu we live in right
now, you know, if you know how to browse
the internet, if you know
how to go on to like any
website that isn't like Facebook or x or
like YouTube or something,
yeah, you can get your hands
on a lot of things very easily. And like,
they can't outlaw all of
that stuff. A lot of a lot of
the drugs people use for like, HRT or
whatever are things they have like a
million other fucking like
medical uses. And like, they just can't
really like get rid of
those. So I don't know. That's
just that's just on that particular
issue. I guess the broader
thing is, I feel like I always
need to be brought down back down to
earth a little bit because I
am extremely fucking online,
I feel like my perspective is regularly
warped by like the things
that I scroll through on the
internet. And like the weirdos who are
like I associate with and
don't get me wrong, I love my
weirdos. But also like, I do think at
times, you know, is this affecting how
accurately I'm seeing
the world? And I think maybe I don't
know, I think I need to just like,
regularly be reminded that the
fucking insane amounts of like right wing
chudery I see on the internet are
hopefully not indicate
indicative indicative of like, you know,
what's actually going on
with the average person in
society. And and and it's not, and it's
not. And I've talked about
this before, because unlike,
unlike the majority of people who listen
to this podcast, and like
the majority of people online,
I actually talk to actual regular humans
once in a while, you should
try it. That must be nice.
Yeah, but um, but no, like, they're
generally, I mean, people
have bad takes and shit, but it's
not like it's very rare to to to, to, to
like, to meet somebody
who's just completely insane.
And the thing is, with those people is
like, that's usually a lot
of times, like my experience
with people like that is they're like a
weird dude alone at the bar,
who's just like finds captive
audiences to like say his bad takes to,
and then people be like,
finish their drink really quick.
And it's like, Oh, thanks, dude. Um,
yeah, good talking to you anyways, bye.
And then he probably
goes back to like, swilling his drink,
like, oh, fucking
another, another normie, you just
doesn't understand how bad things are.
Where do those people go?
They go to fucking they go to
like weird Twitter circles. And I don't
know, like Nick Fuentes
fucking chats and whatever fucking
weird shit, but anyways, he said, he
said, he said, kind of building on what
you said earlier about,
you know, us living in the most
progressive time in history or whatever.
It's like, in a lot of ways,
even the conservatives are a little bit
more progressive nowadays.
Like it's weird how, yeah,
how chill everybody is with like Nick
Fuentes having like a weird
fucking like cat, cat boy,
girl fem boy, something whatever, like
hooker GF or some, some
shit like that. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. And, uh, yeah, we're, we're,
we're slowly taking steps,
folks. We're normalizing. Also,
sorry, everybody. I don't know how to
respect the pronouns of
like the weird internet Nazis,
like, like hookup or whatever. I'm sorry.
I don't keep up with
these people that closely.
It's okay. Nobody, nobody cares about
that. I'm just gonna, I'm
just gonna play it safe and,
and use the it, its pronouns. I, I
support, um, I support Nick
Fuentes is, uh, it, it's, uh,
fem boy. No, I don't fuck that person
too. Whatever. I don't know
where I'm going with this.
But anyways, all right. My last take on
this is, is, uh, what you're
saying with like the HRT and
shit like that. Um, yeah, like that's the
thing is like, yeah, things
will be less convenient now.
And, and, uh, yeah, there's going to be a
lot of fucking like
shitty, shitty shit for a lot of
people. Um, I mean, some people are
getting deported to El
Salvador without a trial. And
that's, that's like some extreme shit
that's fucked up, but it's, it's probably
not going to be you.
It's probably not going to be your
neighbor and shit like that. And we
should still like advocate
for these people. But, um, uh, if you
think like the Gestapo van is going to
drive around, um, like
looking, looking for you because you use
like they, them pronouns,
I don't, I don't really see
that happening. I'm sorry. But, um, but
as, as far as, uh, just like access to
things that we should
all have access to without, um, without
it being a fucking problem, either
financially or legally
or whatever. Well, fucking DIY baby.
That's a punk. That's a punk mindset.
Maybe we all need to get
into the punk mindset. DIY some shit. Uh,
your, your, um, your
goodies, the goodies you like to
get from China. They're too expensive
because, because of, uh,
because Trump's tariffs or
whatever fucking maybe try it, try to
make that shit. I don't
know. Get a fucking 3d printer,
get it now before, because they all come
from China too. I feel,
I feel really, you know,
where my head is at on this stuff is
like, I look, yeah, I am very
online. I feel like maybe my
perspective is really skewed in a lot of
ways. Maybe, you know, I
don't have the regular healthy
amount of like social interaction with
people like face to face
that I would need to be like a,
a well-adjusted person or something. But
it is kind of telling about
like the, the rest of society
that like the, the healthiest amount of
like social interaction
I have every week is like
pretending to be an elf for three hours
and doing math with my
friends. But like even then I feel
like I'm probably still better off than
how like fucking atomized and
alienated the average person
is. And I look at, you know, like my, my
hobbies or whatever. And one of the
things that I really
appreciate most about being into like
fucking tabletop RPGs is
like people in that hobby do
actually have this fucking like DIY
fucking mentality that
you've talked about. I think it's
really cool that, you know, a lot of
games I'm into are just like
a fucking like PDF file that
somebody wrote in Google docs and
uploaded to like itch.io for $5. Like,
okay, maybe it's not
got the fucking production values of
something that costs a lot
more money or whatever. But I
just kind of, I feel like I get a lot out
of surrounding myself
with people who are willing
to do like the basic work to make things
that we like and you know,
like have nice things in the
world. And I think, you know, broadly, I
look at the time we live in
now and I think, you know,
as all these systems that we've gotten
like unhealthily like attached to or
starting to crumble,
maybe more people need to like adopt that
mindset, you know, okay,
universities are going to shit,
it can't really do much about the whole
student debt thing,
although I, you know, fully support
everybody protesting to get that shit
cancelled and like, you know, don't pay
your fucking student
debt, whatever, okay, we don't need the
money going towards
that. But I guess, you know,
in spite of not having universities be a
good functional thing, you
know, maybe take some fucking
initiative, maybe like make an effort to
like educate yourself
about a topic, maybe start
reading some books more, maybe support
your local library, maybe start like a
little book club with
some with some cool friends of yours and
please make it about
something other than fucking boring
ass Marxist literature that you got off
of the Vosch discord or
some bullshit like that. But I
don't know, I think there's a lot of
things people can do to make the best out
of the times we live
in like, okay, we don't really have a
choice about how bleak and dreary and
exhausting this period of
history is. But I also don't think you
know, I think people are too
quick to consign themselves
to like, well, I guess my life is just
going to be miserable now
because I was born in the wrong
time period. Like, I don't know, like
maybe fucking nut up a
little bit and just like,
build the world that you want to see. I
know it's I know it's a lot easier said
than done. But I also
feel like, you know, nobody's gonna
fucking come help us out of
this, like, especially now the
fucking like Democratic Party or some
bullshit like that. I mean,
so the thing is, it's like,
you know, we talked about treatlers in
the last episode. And in
some of this discourse is like,
just like low key treatler shit. It's
just like, oh, well, I, I, I went to
university and I they,
they didn't offer me like a high paying
job where I could, where I
could like, you know, support a
family off of this income and just kind
of like phone it in and
like, in whatever like, and like,
okay, like, yeah, sure, like in an ideal
society, you would be able
to do all that. And you know,
your student loans would be zero, if not
less than, than what it is. And like,
yeah, through certain
points in history for certain people,
things were better. But like,
like, yeah, I don't know, you,
you just got to navigate shit, right? You
gotta, you gotta
navigate shit the best you can.
And you gotta thug it out. Honestly, you
gotta thug it out. Really? Do
not be one of those people who
just fucking lays down and rots and
cries. Because, because the thing is,
this is not like completely
true. But like the the the MAGA right
wing people are not as defeatist as, as,
as like the average,
like Twitter leftist who's just like,
sigh, I read a thing in the news and it
made me sad. So I'm,
I'm just not gonna leave my bed for three
days. Like they're, they're fucking
deranged. And they're
gonna be like, trying to say the election
was stolen or something.
But and nobody gives a shit.
But still, I mean, they're, I don't know,
they're, they haven't given
up the fight, at least maybe,
or maybe as as terrible as their vision
for the future is, they actually do
believe that all the
right stupid things they want are
actually possible. And
they're working towards making
that happen. So like, if we're if we
can't even rise to the
occasion and meet that, then I guess
maybe we really are fucked. But yeah, I
don't know. That seems
like a skill issue based on,
you know, some people on our side. Right.
And like, I don't know,
like, kind of how I'm wired,
and I think you're the same way, is like,
I just like I, when, when I
think things aren't right,
I just like, I fucking go off about it.
Like, and you know, people
can say I'm fucking insane or,
or, or negative, you're too negative. And
it's just like, okay, like,
yeah, I'm sorry, I ruffled
somebody's feathers, because like, I
think we might be able to
make a certain thing better.
But they don't want to think about it,
because that would cut into
their, their Netflix. Yeah,
a lot of people prefer, like, a lot of
people prefer the passive
pain of languishing and how
bad things are right now, then accepting
like, the little bit of
pain you would feel from doing
the work of improving them, you know,
right, right, exactly,
exactly. And that's how I feel
sometimes when it's just like, oh, if
Kamala Harris would have
been we had four more years of
Democrat, then I wouldn't have to like
face this reality now. It's
like, man, I don't know, again,
not not an acceleration is but like, the
band aids coming off at some point, like,
I don't know, it's it's either now or
later, we're just delaying the inevitable
by having just like,
Democrat just typical like system, like
do nothing party line, you know, like
institutional to extend
the metaphor, you know, we're done with
band aids. Now you have to nut up, you
have to be the resident
evil protagonist and just dump like an
entire bottle of alcohol on an open
gaping wound. That's
what we have to do. It's gonna sting a
lot, but we have to do it. And
just pour some gun powder and
sulfur in there too and light that shit
on fire, fuse it up. Boom. Just just
craft a heavy machine
gun out of materials in your household
right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a
joke. That's a joke.
Play that's that's a they're gonna help
you out. Yeah, you just need
two pieces of iron, a belt,
and a 3d printer. Yeah, that's it. That's
it. Boom, boom. It's it's
done. So yeah, I mean, like,
it's it's gonna be fine if you're not a
little bitch about it. But
yeah, I don't know. Like maybe,
maybe, maybe we needed this. Yeah, I
don't know. I'll diverge a
little bit. I don't think things
will be fine. But I think things will be
better if you take like a
more active role in whatever
horrors are about to come before us. I
think, you know, if things really are
that bad, and we are
all gonna die, then I would rather die
with a little bit of
dignity. I would rather die like
knowing that I'm fucking doing something
and not just like lying down
and waiting for somebody to
like stab me with a bayonet or whatever.
Yeah, I don't see that
happening. Honestly, I, uh,
nah, it's all it's all just fucking
bullshit. It's it's all
it's all silly. It's all silly
fucking bullshit with with with real
world consequences. But
I don't know. Everybody's
been predicting doomsday for the past
like 6000 years. So I don't think it's
going to be this one.
And if it is, I mean, none of this shit
was that good to begin
with. So either you die or you
become a cool post apocalyptic person
with like a gimp mask and
some leather bandoliers. Yeah,
and sit on a fucking like wasteland
throne made of the the the charred burnt
like a clear radiated
leftovers of the Funko pops or whatever.
I know I don't want that.
There's is there gonna be
doordash in the they're gonna be doordash
in the in the post
apocalypse. There probably will be.
Well, honestly, I don't know. Maybe maybe
that I mean, that would be
a pretty fun idea for like a
sci fi story like, oh, I have to work
doordash in the fucking like Mad Max
wasteland. That would be
pretty cool, actually. The thing is the
door that it's not going to
be an app because all that
functionality is going to be gone. You're
going to have to like use like a
shortwave radio to call
in your order. So some people have too
much social anxiety to to do that. So
they're kind of fucked.
And yeah, so I can't believe I delivered
this this order of like 17
irradiated lizard carcasses.
And the person only gave me like five
Funko pops for it. Yeah,
they're gonna be complaining on the
radio version of Reddit like, Hey, fellow
539.1 listeners. Am I the asshole?
Um, they were they were two minutes late,
delivering my lizard
kabobs. And I only gave
them two Funko pops as a tip. And they
got mad. So yeah, I had a
really bad day at my at my gig
job. I'm gonna go like beat my my fucking
irradiated hunchback
like Rad mutant roommate
with a belt for a few hours to cope. Oh,
man. See, war never changes.
Yeah, or maybe or maybe it does change
for the worse. And you can
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This episode brought to
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Yeah, I don't know. I said we were going
to talk a little bit
about Israel. But man,
it really is just a fucking bummer. And
also like, fuck those guys. I
don't know. If you guys want
a take on that. I think these people are
like modern day Nazis in
like every way that matters.
So like, yeah, there's nothing more to
say about this. I don't
feel like talking about Israel.
Zionists fucking suck. Israel shouldn't
be doing what they're
doing. The fact that
everybody's like afraid to to to say
anything about them. And
they're their PR squad. They're
trying but they're I think I've actually
I actually think they've given
up I feel like the year or so
after Jan, Jan 6, fucking October 7th
rather, it was like they made
all those efforts to be like,
oh, look, we're humanizing the IDF. Look,
we have all these squads
that like like take the
semen out of dead bodies to so we can
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that was the best one. Just that was that
was the wing. Yeah, that
was some fucking Warhammer 40k
bullshit. But with like weird like like
progressive PR or whatever on
top of it. I don't know. I was
not a fan of that. But also I feel like I
don't know. I don't see
much of that anymore. I think
they've given up on trying to appear as
the good guy. I think they're
fine just being the villains
now. So like I'm fine talking about them
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Yeah, for sure. That's a, yeah, I can't
do that. Well, I don't know. If Trump
opens the mines again,
it might be, it might be good. I can
finally live out my
dream of being a coal miner.
Yeah, I want to get all of the diamonds
and attack all the spiders
or whatever. I don't know
what people do in Minecraft these days.
Yeah, I don't know. Never
really played it too much.
Yeah. Anyway, see you guys next week on
my word. Yeah. On
Minecraft. Good fight. Good night.