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Alexandra Hunt (00:00)
Well, not to get into a whole lesson, but the basis of marriage was to create a lineage to protect That started pretty early on as soon as there was an inkling of power to create a hierarchy. And so that's really where...
It's an easy thing to point to of where it began, but it's not where it began, but it's still a historic landmark that even marriage is exploitation. And I know that your face is looking very solemn because I know that you are married.
Keegan Goudiss (01:29)
Today on the forecast season two finale, we're talking about sex and power, the two forces that have shaped human civilization since the beginning, the oldest profession and the second oldest. Why are they so intertwined? Why does sexual exploitation so often sit at the center of political scandal? And why do the powerful seem uniquely immune to the consequences? As the fallout from the Epstein files continues to unfold, we're forced to confront an uncomfortable question
Is sexual abuse an aberration in our system or something that tends to flourish wherever power concentrates and accountability disappears? Even as the national conversation shifts towards war in Iran, the questions raised by the Epstein files haven't gone away. My guest today is Alexandra Hunt, writer, organizer, and former congressional candidate whose work explores the gap between the values we claim and the systems we actually maintain.
In her upcoming essay for the forecast, she writes that her one wish for America in 2076 is not dominance or wealth or even peace in the shallow sense of quiet, but liberation, not freedom as branding, not independence carved into marble, but liberation as a lived condition. Today, we're asking what that might mean in a culture where bodies are commodified, desire is monetized, and power often protects itself. Alexander welcome
Alexandra Hunt (02:51)
Thank you for having me and for such a nice introduction.
Keegan Goudiss (02:54)
So I'm curious, I'm just gonna jump right in because I've been like really looking forward to this conversation for a long time. There's so many things I wanna ask you about that I don't know how I'll cover it, but I'm gonna try. So going like right into it, I was curious if you think sex is inherently political or does power make it so?
Alexandra Hunt (03:11)
I don't think sex itself is political. I think it's the conditions surrounding sex that make it become political. So sex between equals is a form of intimacy. When you make sex about somebody's survival, somebody's safety,
then it becomes political, then it becomes governance.
Keegan Goudiss (03:40)
Do you think it's been like a tool of political leverage a lot?
Alexandra Hunt (03:44)
Yes, historically I think it's before, I think sexual exploitation, sexual bribery was around before financial bribery. This was how people were controlled back in the beginning of civilization.
Keegan Goudiss (04:02)
Yeah, since I don't know the history on it, but I wonder how far back folks have to go to discover evidence of that happening.
Alexandra Hunt (04:13)
Well, we can start. Do you know the history of marriage?
Keegan Goudiss (04:16)
Sort of, but I probably don't know as much as you do, so tell me, please.
Alexandra Hunt (04:20)
Well, not to get into a whole lesson, but the basis of marriage was to create a lineage to protect property. That started pretty early on as soon as there was an inkling of power to create a hierarchy. And so that's really where...
It's an easy thing to point to of where it began, but it's not where it began, but it's still a historic landmark that even marriage is exploitation. And I know that your face is looking very solemn because I know that you are married.
Keegan Goudiss (04:56)
I think about it a lot. was just took my last name and I felt like very conflicted about it.
And she's like, no, I can really understand why. Because I just I feel like it's that it's very antiquated, right? Taking the man's last name and I hear your points. I had her about it. Property. She wanted to change her last name because her maiden name was Abdu and. It is making me think about everything going on right now because she didn't want to like because her last name was Arab every time she flew, she would get pulled aside.
And as soon as she changed her last name to Gudis, which is like a made up name, it's like actually rooted in who dismen and it got shorted shortened, but it doesn't sound Arab. And and so for whatever reason, well, reasons I think are pretty clear once her last name was an Arab. So to her, it was very much why. I just want a different last name so people stop harassing me at the airport, which does make sense.
but it's also very sad about our society.
Alexandra Hunt (05:53)
Definitely.
Keegan Goudiss (05:55)
So that is where my head went. I was also thinking about one time I was traveling in Europe and my cab driver was like really into genealogy and he was talking about how hard it is in Europe to like go back too many generations because like they didn't keep many records and most people, you know, unless you were a Lord, you your last name just had to do with the the the land that you worked and. You know, I thinking about.
in terms of like folks that were peasants back in the day. Like, do you know what purpose marriage served for them? Because they didn't really have much to own.
Alexandra Hunt (06:25)
Thank
It didn't. The peasants didn't get married. It was a form of power. It was a form of governance over who would get inheritance. That it was about lineage and controlling lineage. Marriage was an elite. It didn't become common practice until much later.
Keegan Goudiss (06:33)
Really good.
fascinating. Well, I feel like we could do an entire podcast on this. did want to ask you some Epstein stuff, although we can maybe come back to this. But I do think there's a way to link this together in terms of the origins of marriage and, you know, the Epstein files and how it reveals how power protects itself. I'm curious, like what you think about everything as it's unfolded recently.
Alexandra Hunt (07:06)
I think perhaps what has shocked people is the fact that it's not, it wasn't just one person, it was an entire ecosystem of wealth and how people went along with it because of social networks and fear of reputational risk. It just became this whole
system of exploitation. It's huge, but I am I surprised by it? No. I think it's I'm glad that it's been brought to the surface. But this this, again, is historical and unsurprising. Be more original, you know.
Keegan Goudiss (07:47)
mean, I don't know if we want to ask the leads to be more original or not here. Yeah, I'd rather they had consequences instead of trying to.
trying to really push the boundaries even further. I'm curious, do you think that there's a way to, that there's reform out of all of this? So much been released, do you think that there's a chance that society will demand structural reform that would prevent more abuse like this from happening?
Alexandra Hunt (08:14)
Do I think that society will demand structural reform to prevent abuse like this from happening? Society might, it might not be granted. There's a reason that this is such an example of how power protects itself. And even I was,
listening to some other podcasts and they were talking about the problems with Democrats and there's really no accountability that elected officials across the board have to the people. So sure, there might be a push, but whatever is given is going to be reformative and not structural change. Why would power do that to itself?
Keegan Goudiss (09:01)
Well, every now and then in the course of history, power is forced to change. I'd like to think usually through violence, not them advocating for guillotines just yet in our podcast. I was going to wait a couple more questions.
But like, hypothetically speaking, you know, I have a lot of friends who who work in in in reproductive justice. And like we talk about this a lot. they're like, ultimately the problem for a lot of them is is the patriarchy. Right. And so if we were able to just like completely dismantle the patriarchy and there was a matriarchy, do you think that that would would allow for a chance for reform to really take foot? And I guess you always kill.
I'm not sure we're like in the system. How would work, but I want to hear what you think. If there's a possibility, I'm looking for some hope here mainly.
Alexandra Hunt (09:49)
Hope. I think so the way that I approach my hopes for the future is I stay much more compact and at the community level. think that's where I don't have a lot of.
hope for the government as it is, which is ironic because I did run for office and tried to become part of that system. But I think since then, as I feel our government has taken such...
even even a worse downward turn. I don't know that my vision for the future of this country could actually be implemented through a congressional seat. I don't have a lot of hope in our government, but I do have a lot of hope for our community and I think that's where we can start to build the
the style of governance that we want to see rise to the federal level. And that's so in a matriarchy.
It's much more about... Well, it's not about a power center. It's about the ground being powerful. I don't know that it would be killing... Like, a matriarchy isn't about a hatred of men, but it's about communing together and looking out for each other and not exploiting one another. so, yeah, I don't...
I don't have a lot of hope for the government.
Keegan Goudiss (11:19)
two things. One of that fast. Thank you for saying it's not a major resign about hatred of men. I just want to reemphasize I agree with that. I was being dramatic for the sake of
Alexandra Hunt (11:27)
Good TV.
Keegan Goudiss (11:29)
For TV for TV's sake, but it is
really fascinating to me like when you look at matriarchal societies and obviously we're a long way off from dismantling the patriarchy or even just changing who's in power here. And I recognize that, but I do really love what you. Focused on their on community. And try and solve the problems locally. Can you share like a little bit more for our listeners like what you're what you're doing in your community?
Alexandra Hunt (11:56)
I am trying to bring people together in little pockets of...
shared interests, shared values, and creating space where people learn to engage more vulnerably with one another because at least in
white people culture in the US, we have this hyper individualism that doesn't, you know, we're always okay. And when somebody asks how our day is going, we always say good. And, and it's just, it's all very surface level. And I think people, as I especially was reading in your piece, Keegan, people really crave intimacy and connection to one another, whether it's, it's sexual or just
intellectual or emotional, whatever that might be. And so I've been working on bringing together different groups for different sorts of interests. One is career. One is I have a grief group. One is cooking. And creating these spaces where people actually talk about their lives, their feelings.
their disappointments and can count on other people to show up for them and care for them.
Keegan Goudiss (13:09)
It's wonderful.
Alexandra Hunt (13:10)
and then I remind them to vote.
Keegan Goudiss (13:12)
Well, so I'm going play devil's advocate here because you just told me you don't have hope in our government. Why bother voting then?
Alexandra Hunt (13:17)
Well...
The way, even when I was running for office, the way that I thought about it was this is a collapsing house. And let me backtrack even further into my life. I was organizing for an encampment of unhoused people. And
while we were trying to protect them from multiple sweep attempts, somebody within that community died. And it created this ripple effect of pain. And so the way that I see it, if we don't get involved to try to
We're not going to be able to save everyone to see everyone through to a better world but if we don't get involved in preventing these little that in these little losses of one life, it's going to create a much bigger loss and so Voting I don't think it's going to Rework this system, but it is slowing it down
in the harm that it can, that it is already perpetrating.
Keegan Goudiss (14:38)
make it less bad.
I'm sorry about that person who lost their life and thank you for your work helping organize that. I feel, not to go on an editorial tangent here, but not enough people are doing the work like that right now when so many are suffering. And you mentioned my piece, thank you for bringing that up. Just to provide the listeners with little context, there's the upcoming issue that I'm wrapping up with Elizabeth.
our designer right now on is really like the two tent poles of the piece are Alexandra's wonderful essay on her wish for America in 2076. And my piece is more focused on the rise of AI sex bots.
Alexandra Hunt (15:20)
you
Keegan Goudiss (15:22)
a lot, you know, which is a different, different take. so it's
both like, you know, the reason why I put them together in my head is because yours is very much about liberation. And in mine is about people being lonely and seeking intimacy and like an economy that's being created that I don't think folks really realize that some do, but a lot don't realize that an inauthentic economy has been created to to commoditize that that loneliness.
It's like when I think about liberation and what you've written about in your piece and when I think about my piece on loneliness and intimacy, I do wonder, with more liberation, is it going to create more people who want to take advantage of the lonely? Where I'm getting at really, Alexander, is capitalism the root of all the problems?
Alexandra Hunt (16:12)
Yes. Yeah, I fully agree with that. I think about, because I have an OnlyFans, I think about this epidemic of loneliness and how... So when I started on OnlyFans, I didn't have a plan. And then I've had it for a couple of years now and...
Keegan Goudiss (16:14)
I knew you'd agree.
Alexandra Hunt (16:40)
I have repeatedly burnt out of it because it's always, from my end, it's always an ask for more, a push on a boundary. And it's a lot about performance for me. I'm engaging in providing a fantasy.
Intimacy and not the real thing what I've been trying and hoping to shift to is Utilizing only fans to actually connect with the fans and Slop really slowing it down, but it because it is such a requirement it's it's an
this invisible emotional labor that doesn't get valued. And that's mostly done by women.
I think that...
These accounts that are using chat bots and chatters, they're not trying to change the system. They are being exploited in some way because anything that makes you use your body in a way for survival is exploitation, not out of your own wants and needs and desires.
and
The harm isn't being absorbed by those creators, it's being replicated and pushed back out. And it's really toxic. There's a lot of fans on my page who have been hurt and are very concerned. Like, how do I know that I'm talking to you? And that's...
Yeah, I think that this epidemic of loneliness is not being met with compassion, but exploitation. It makes me think of, I'm blanking on the name, but that dating website, is it Madison something? You know what I'm talking about?
Keegan Goudiss (18:46)
The one for married people, Ashley Madison.
Alexandra Hunt (18:48)
Yeah. But how.
Keegan Goudiss (18:51)
That still exists. Wasn't
there a big like data like they like they got hacked and like all these people got exposed for having accounts in there. Remember there's a of years ago, but by the last time I heard the name.
Alexandra Hunt (19:02)
Well,
so that might have been what was significant to you. What was significant to me was that they had a bunch of...
authentic accounts of men seeking women, but the majority of the women on there were computers. And so, yeah.
Keegan Goudiss (19:20)
that.
Yeah, and just tease my piece one more time. promise. I'm going to plug myself, but I was. Yep, I started off because I I'm a. Oregon Trail generation or Zenniel or whatever we call ourselves as I was born in 1980 and we're right on the cusp of millennial and gen.
Alexandra Hunt (19:25)
Thank
Keegan Goudiss (19:41)
Part of that. That experience was really like coming at age with with the Internet and like my like how I explored my sexuality was on a like pretending to be different people and likely talking to people who were pretending to be different people. So it's it's remarkable because it's always been a thing that's there. I think as long as you are of a certain age you recognize. That like you.
there's some level of scrutiny that you have to apply to like anybody you're talking to online, because it really could be like not who they're saying they are in that communication. And also like with AI, there's this whole other level of sophistication there that never existed in speed. Like to me, a lot of it's the speed and how quickly they try to upsell you. But with Ashley Madison was that it was like,
It was just programs trying to engage them and like to get money.
Alexandra Hunt (20:32)
I think, yeah, to kind of lead these men on that they were communicating with a person who, I mean, it was catfishing them so that they would keep paying for an account.
Thanks.
Keegan Goudiss (20:49)
I
did not know that. Thank you for sharing.
Alexandra Hunt (20:51)
Yeah, more exploitation of loneliness. And they made a lot of money.
So it's not just sexual exploitation, it's intimacy.
Keegan Goudiss (21:05)
Yeah. Do you mind if I ask you when folks on OnlyFans are skeptical that you're real? They're talking to the real Alexandra Hunt, not some paid actor like what you say? You don't have to share if you don't feel comfortable.
Alexandra Hunt (21:19)
I say that it's me. I understand where they're coming from and that concern, but I don't think that... Yeah, I don't know what else to say because they don't know like a deep dark secret of mind where I can be like, no, it's me, only I would know that.
Keegan Goudiss (21:44)
You
Alexandra Hunt (21:45)
But it's just, it's a common concern. I see the hurt. But at the same time, I also understand why creators are doing that. They're also trying to survive and they're making their money from...
exploitation just like the this industry is exploiting them. You know, it's all it's all tied up in capitalism and exploitation. And it to go back to what I was saying, on the ground, we have to create these connections to each other. So that there isn't this availability of exploitation from
lonely people and we are very disconnected. We're in an individualized society that prioritizes money. My biggest currency is time, giving people my time. And then we have been pulled apart by a pandemic where for me the hardest part was like, I can't hug people and I like to hug people.
Keegan Goudiss (22:47)
And really, yes, I don't think that we've come to terms with how much things have shifted.
I want to go to your piece for a moment. I really loved like what you wrote about your vision for 2076. I'm not going to give it all away here because I want people to actually. Buy it by initiative. ⁓ That's exploit you. Or my or my listeners, but you know, just like you're very selling at point like we're all trying to make a buck right in the system. But yeah, like in 2076.
Alexandra Hunt (23:02)
you
Keegan Goudiss (23:15)
Assuming like your vision can happen, which I really hope it does What do you what do you think it means for sexual exploitation? Like is it is it like removing the profit motive there? Like what what what do you envision as it is a better? system for all of this in 50 years
Alexandra Hunt (23:30)
But what do I envision as a better system for the, what, the intimacy economy? Well, I think.
I think there's.
aspects of this economy, like especially the taboo around it, that makes it so high risk to partake in that the only reason, well a lot of the reason that many people participate in it is because they need it to survive. Whether it's the rising housing costs, medical costs, the uneven.
wage gap, the wage gap, they are participating in it for survival. And so if we as a country make it easier for people to survive and not like standing on a cliff edge about to fall off, then people who are participating in this economy are doing so out of choice.
And that's how it's not exploitation, but liberation, giving choice.
Keegan Goudiss (24:38)
for the art of it all.
Alexandra Hunt (24:40)
Yeah, so I mean, why not?
or
Keegan Goudiss (24:43)
No, I mean, like I've done. I've done a ton of research on only fans. I like I don't say that to come off as a creep, but it's just like fascinating to me, like how people commoditize like fetishes on on only fans. And and I do think that like some of the folks like really view it as like art. Right. Like I would hope that like I don't know for sure because you don't know who the person is on the other end. You know, I know I know you. can talk to you.
because we've worked together before and I know that you have an OnlyFans account. I don't think I've asked you this directly before, it's like there take all the money and exploitation aside. There is like some fun elements to it, I hope for you and others.
Alexandra Hunt (25:22)
For me and others, you're talking about the... So I am someone, I don't, I can't speak for other creators, but I, when you were saying that OnlyFans were moving towards pure exploitation, and you were plugging your piece, I do think that there is a valuable element of OnlyFans where
Keegan Goudiss (25:25)
the creators on OnlyFans.
Alexandra Hunt (25:46)
you can avoid scrutiny of the being sexual in a society that thinks sexuality is taboo and you can explore yourself and what you like and learn like I actually do like this fetish I this this really I thought in my head this was gonna work for me doing him you know
being engaged in this way isn't working for me. I don't like it. So it does give people the freedom to explore from their home, from their chair or their bedroom, wherever they are, engaging in OnlyFans. And I appreciate that because I think people should get to know themselves sexually and not be so repressed. For me,
As I've said, I don't enjoy engaging in performance. I do like connection. I do like actually knowing who the people are and that I'm a little different in the way that I'm utilizing OnlyFans in that way.
Not in like a pick-me sense, not in a pick-me sense.
Keegan Goudiss (26:59)
Yeah, thank you for sharing.
I'm sorry, not in there what?
It being a tool for people to explore their sexuality really resonates with me. Obviously the Internet has played a role in that for me since since my adolescence. But I think that there is. I have this theory could be very wrong, so please tell me. If you disagree that like a lot of these like elites holding power and like like the exploitation that the elites use.
Alexandra Hunt (27:12)
Mm-hmm.
Keegan Goudiss (27:31)
with sex like at its stem is people feeling like they can't express themselves openly and and like so they're like caught up in in these like traps right by the leets that know that like people are ashamed but they like this or that and they'll get them like hooked on it and then because they feel ashamed they'll use this blackmail and I feel like if people were pedophilia side like I'm not I'm not somewhat I feel like I'm okay to judge people who want to like take advantage of children but like
Alexandra Hunt (27:58)
Yeah.
Keegan Goudiss (27:59)
Beyond taking advantage of children, there's all sorts of taboo kinks out there that as long as everybody engaging is consenting, I feel like shouldn't be shamed and you shouldn't be blackmailed for it. And for me, that's the core of all of the Epstein files is really just taking advantage of people who feel ashamed of their kinks.
Alexandra Hunt (28:23)
Yep, exactly. There was a reputational buy-in that was largely due to shame. And shame is people can be motivated to highly avoid things that are going to make them experience shame. And so that's exactly what happened. And yeah, I don't think we even really need to talk about
pedophilia we can talk about the struggle that a lot of people have with monogamy we can talk about how we treat sexuality as a binary of you're either heterosexual or homosexual and like bisexual is often erased and or mistrusted or hyper sexualized and
that's the same thing for gender expression is that it's very binary. So this rigidity around spectrums, things that are in reality are that are spectrums is very restricting and as a result makes it easy for exploitation.
Keegan Goudiss (29:36)
As I remember from trying to help with your congressional campaign, there was lots of pearl clutching, I'll call it, around your past as a sex worker and running for Congress. Do you feel like it's improved since then? If other sex workers were running for office, do you think there'd be as much pearl clutching as there was with your candidacy?
Alexandra Hunt (29:43)
Okay.
Yes, I think.
I don't think that society has changed its mind since me. There was a lot of pearl clutching. There was also the other side of that was...
people thinking that.
there that I was vulnerable and there there was more opportunity to extract more exploitation from me. I remember
just one incident of somebody who signed up to volunteer for my campaign and then blasted on the internet.
how angry he was because I was not going to exploit my power as the candidate on the campaign to date him. And I had said no. And that was the whole reason that he had signed up to volunteer. So it was not just pearl clutching, but a lot of unhealthy beliefs around what
what a sex worker will do to get power.
Keegan Goudiss (30:58)
That's really awful, I'm sorry. I didn't know that story.
Alexandra Hunt (31:00)
Yes.
Keegan Goudiss (31:00)
No, I hadn't thought of it before. Even though we had talked a couple times when we were running, that makes a lot of sense because folks are like, well.
You were a stripper, so like, why wouldn't you want to like hang out with me and party? I'm sorry, you had to deal with that.
Alexandra Hunt (31:14)
Yep.
Keegan Goudiss (31:16)
Do you, so I like to like brainstorm ideas to try to help people on these podcasts.
Do you think that there's a? There's like a. A political action committee for like I can't think what the vehicle is, but like like. Is there some way that there could be like more media to make people more comfortable with like politicians having sex lives? Cause I feel like I've worked with lots of politicians in my lives and you are like regardless of your past, you're put up on this pedestal of this like. Model right that we all.
good or bad need to pay attention to. And it's really hard to be a human being when you're running for office. I you know that. I've seen it a lot.
But is there a way to like, like we ran ads that were like, John Smith, like he has sex like everybody else. It's not that weird. Get over it. Like de-stigmatize sexuality in politics. Do think that would have a positive effect?
Alexandra Hunt (32:17)
I think it's a little risky for women because women just are not respected. Even female politicians are not respected the same way. So for it to be normalized around a man, I feel like that's a different endeavor for it to be normalized around a woman because I do think that it's going to lead to, oh, she's...
People, I'm trying to remember the term for this, but a lot of interactions that I've had is that because sex is so taboo and not talked about, that people think that if you are directly speaking about a topic that it means something about the appropriate level of...
engagement that you have and rapport that you have with that person. So I think that it could put women, female politicians at risk just because we're still, we are still so prickly about sex and talking about it openly.
Keegan Goudiss (33:32)
Did you hear the thing about Kristi Noem and her bag of sex toys?
Alexandra Hunt (33:37)
No, I didn't.
Keegan Goudiss (33:39)
So there's, obviously as we're recording this is a little bit after Kristi Noem was fired. A lot of things I would happily criticize her for, but one of the pieces I felt like was like, cares, right? Like there was like some incident where, you know, she's flying around on a private plane with her boyfriend quite a lot and they were upset because they had forgotten to bring like the.
Alexandra Hunt (33:44)
Mm-hmm.
Keegan Goudiss (34:05)
whoever was handling her luggage had left behind her bag of sex toys. And I don't know if that's true or not. Like it was like one of those rumors that gets pushed around and reported as facts. So it might not be sex toys, but like my question was like, who cares? Like, so Chrissy Noem has sex toys. Like, good. Like least her and Corey are having some fun. why is, like out of all of the scandals things she's done, like I don't think that's a scam.
Alexandra Hunt (34:21)
Yeah.
Thank
Right, and I mean, it's the same thing with with JD Vance. Like if he had sex with a couch, who cares? Like, it's just these, it's again, reputation and shaming someone for... and we're all sexual human beings somewhere on the spectrum. yeah, I do definitely think it should be normalized. I would love to...
Keegan Goudiss (34:37)
Hahaha
Alexandra Hunt (34:53)
love the idea of it. I'm just not sure how to protect people and maybe you can't. Maybe it's like you go first, you signed up to be a politician, this is part of your work. But I do think that I'm thinking especially of AOC that it would really hurt her and harm her.
Keegan Goudiss (35:18)
No, I agree. There was a reason why I went immediately to John Smith in my head and not, and not because I couldn't think on the fly of a way that surface it a woman or a non-binary candidate without being like, without it being a bad example. So I grew with you very much. I do have an idea though. I think we should start a couches for couches for Vance. could be like a super PAC being like, there's nothing wrong with JD Vance.
loving couches, like I'm trying to like destigmatize like, there's a lot of things that we don't like JD Vance for. But like
Alexandra Hunt (35:49)
But it's okay if you've got the couch.
Yeah, I agree. Couch is for you.
Keegan Goudiss (35:57)
And also like, know, so what he wears makeup. I people argue that he wears eyeliner. I'm not an expert in makeup, but I have been in theater and it does look like he wears little bit. I mean, like anybody who goes on TV puts makeup on regardless of their gender, right? Typically you go on TV and you have some sort of makeup put on, but he seems to consistently wear eyeliner. I'm not like an expert in that, but again, like I don't, why are we shaming him for like being a little emo?
Alexandra Hunt (36:00)
Does he?
Right.
Great, I agree.
Keegan Goudiss (36:25)
Like that's
I did not think this episode was going to turn into a JD Vance appreciation.
Alexandra Hunt (36:31)
I know.
Keegan Goudiss (36:33)
We need to talk about actually I'm gonna have man. This is really weird. The JD Vance actually seems to be on the outs because he is against. What's happening in Iran?
And like, which is weird, right? Like he's the one who's not the hawk. Rubio is right. I mean, this is all like palace intrigue, gossip crap in DC, but that Rubio is, is you know, in better favor because he's more about killing people than fans just wants to love. He's just a lover, not a fighter.
Alexandra Hunt (36:52)
Thank you.
Yeah.
make
my best work.
Keegan Goudiss (37:06)
Sometimes these podcasts go to weird locations. I'm
going to bring it back though, away from Vance. And I want to ask you, because we're talking about your candidacy and you've run for office twice. I'm not going to ask you if you're going run again, but I'm curious if you have any advice to share for other folks that might want to run for office and try to make things less bad for people right now.
Alexandra Hunt (37:27)
I think that people who want to run for office really think about if you can take the scrutiny and the hate that's going to be sung at you because people really
The system is designed to slap people who make a power grab because that's how it protects itself. So there will be a slap. And are you braced for it? Are you prepared for it? One of the biggest things that...
took out of running for office is how I ran against the democratic machine and it that has consequences for your work life for your personal life or your political life and just are you make sure that you're prepared and that I don't want to tell anyone not to do it because I think
We need more people who have the grit to jump in and put up that fight, but it's quite a fight. It's very thorny.
Keegan Goudiss (38:41)
And the machine does not like to be challenged. That's for sure. I've learned that on the hardware myself as well.
Alexandra Hunt (38:43)
you.
Keegan Goudiss (38:46)
Well, that's good advice to end on. Alexander, I really appreciate your time today. Let me know if you want to cut some ads in the future, reducing the stigma of sex in politics. We should be talking on that.
Alexandra Hunt (38:58)
Okay, that sounds good.
Keegan Goudiss (38:59)
And I hope that you keep doing great work in the community level. I agree that it really is. We can't fix the federal government for sure. At least not now, but like, yeah, I'm really grateful that you're doing that work at the local level, because I feel like that's the best we can do in this scenario.
Alexandra Hunt (39:18)
Thank you.
Keegan Goudiss (39:19)
Have good day.
Alexandra Hunt (39:19)
Me too.