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As an individual who's been in the darkest place, you gotta imagine doing twenty years of jail as a bank robber, growing up in Australia's most notorious streets. The amount of you're just a criminal scam, you're x y and z despite failure. It's been twenty two years since I've been in trouble.
Kristina:Yeah. Spending over the past two decades behind bars as a bank robber, Jeff's story is not just about survival. It's about transformation. Today, he's a global mindset leadership and well-being coach, a nutritionist and mental health expert. He's seen the darkest side of life and turned his past into a mission to build better humans, empower communities, and inspire millions.
Kristina:Jeff is proof that no matter where you come from, no matter what you've been through, change is possible. Come on this three part series as we flip the script in Transforming the Game. Jeff, good morning. Good morning. Now lessons are a blessing.
Kristina:I love this saying from you. I am constantly thinking about when things are coming into my life, what have I done to draw it in if it was negative or what did I do if it was positive? But also, what the lessons learned and what are the silver linings? I think that's really important. So for anyone who is just tuning in today, what would you say to them to why they should just keep listening?
Jeffrey:Long story. And during this podcast, you're gonna learn a lot about life and how you can sort of have strategies in life that allow you to continue to go forward rather than sit there putting out what I call spot fires within your life. And you can imagine, yeah, bushfires here in Australia as an example and how hard they've fought these firefighters at particular times. And some of those times, unfortunately, they've lost their lives. During this podcast, you're gonna get strategies that are going to give you the fire because it's in these burn you and sometimes kill you off inside and literally allow you to obviously deal with that in real time and then continue moving forward in this beautiful thing we call life.
Jeffrey:Because as you said, lessons become lessons. But for some people, those lessons aren't you know, they can't find that because the sealing of their knowledge based around their parents or someone of value within their life and what they've taught them hasn't allowed them to deal with that situation. So this podcast, by the end of it, you'll have those tips, tools, strategies to walk away feeling better, more energized, and obviously being able to cope with life a lot better. Or actually live life, I should say.
Kristina:Live yeah. Live life. Right? That's a motto I've been saying. I've actually got picture books I've done fifteen years ago on my little hashtag in it is live life.
Kristina:Experience it. Right? I'm I'm big. I feel like sometimes people are just in the notion of letting time tick away from them and or wishing their hours away. It breaks my heart when I see people going into work wishing their hours away to just finish the day, and I'm like, that's that's not living.
Kristina:But you really actually triggered something there where you said you're gonna do a fire exit and burn burn it off. So and that's an interesting approach, which I actually quite like. Will you like, can you expand on that more? Is it about, like, killing off the one side of you that no longer serves you?
Jeffrey:It's crazy. You wouldn't go to, like, as a kid, a nightclub or jump into a car where you don't like, you know, the music as an example. You like a particular music. I I like a different type of music. And you keep asking me, hey, Jeff.
Jeffrey:Do you wanna would you like a lift to work? And every time I get in, I'm like, god. This music kills me. But we do that with work and life. We just accept and then we end up existing.
Jeffrey:Now FireX, it's the more you create, it means the more proactive you've been within your life or business. And when you do that with business or life, it's seamless, stressless. Who would like that? Everyone. Right?
Jeffrey:So as seamless and stressless as it possibly can be, let's be real. Things are gonna happen in life. But the reality is, as long as we keep just accepting life and being reactive to life, we haven't burned off the side of us that we don't want. So once you walk through that door, you can say, look, I grew up in the area where I grew up in Everly Street, right from one of Australia's most notorious streets. But if I, you know, go into a business meeting and it's not going around and say, come outside.
Jeffrey:Do you wanna fight me? Like, you know, the old school version of myself. I don't think that deal is going to go down to war, and then I'll go to the next business and they go, look, mate. We know how things went down over it. You know, with, Christina.
Jeffrey:And in in the end, we're okay. And I'm like, oh, what? You've got a problem too, do you? That's not the you know, who wants to do business with that person? Not one person on this planet.
Jeffrey:Right? How do we burn off the old version of ourselves that we don't like? And we've just gotta do that. So that means letting go of people that you grew up with. That means letting go of the environment you grew up with.
Jeffrey:And most people can't do that because why? I'm comfortable. And and I know the people here. I can deal with the people here. It's less stress here, and I feel comfortable here.
Jeffrey:Well, that's great. Comfort is great, but I can guarantee you there is a difference between flying, you know, from here to Germany. I I'm pretty sure it's over fourteen hours in economy versus going first class or business class. There is a total difference. Higher total difference.
Jeffrey:I'm not I'm not too fussed by that. And I'm like, have you ever flown business? And they're like, no. He said, have you ever flown first class? No.
Jeffrey:I said, once you do that, you tell me that that same conversation. And that means we just end up existing because we just end up accepting it. And once you accept, you regret. Design your life. Go out and design it.
Kristina:Design your life. And once you accept, you regret, that's gonna take me to something later I wanna talk to you about because I'm big on the rocking chair. I'm big on the the looking back on things. What I like there, you've just triggered on a few things on I wanna really hone in for people is comfort and energy and where your energy goes. Let's go somewhere different because in a corporate space so when you're talking about old you, I work with a lot of large companies, a lot of egos.
Kristina:Right? And you've got a lot of different people around that you either need to lead, that you need to motivate more so. And that's why I'm big on people really enjoying and go getting down to the roots of what motivates each person. One might be money, one might be freedom, one might be the community. They just wanna feel a part of bigger why.
Kristina:But what about when you get those negative Nancy's and just those people who haven't burnt their, they haven't built their fire exits and they haven't burned it off, and you have to come in and they are zapping you? What would be your advice in that environment where you can't at that moment, you can't get away from them?
Jeffrey:I I love that question because a lot of the times that's the reality. We're all built differently and we all see with the world differently. And it's it's been, you know, how you're built from the environments that you've grown up in. And that person, no doubt, had who? They had Tony Robbins around them.
Jeffrey:I doubt it very much. Right? So they've had somebody who's role model into that space. They don't even have belief in pretty much anything that you do. So how do we seek to understand that individual to make sure that we build them to see life through a different lens than they currently see through.
Jeffrey:And then it's having conversations around what would be what's your best solution for the best interest of this environment to make it as seamless and stressless as possible? And then we can ask them and put it back to them. And what will happen within a group setting, they'll say, oh, I think this. You know? And they'll be at this level, and we're trying to get to this level.
Jeffrey:And people have answers beyond that. And that way, they don't feel stupid. We'll say, you're a part of the conversation. What's your solution? We even go to them first, and they have a you know, they might even take up twenty minutes because they can't even come out and tell that conversation the way that they'd like to articulate it.
Jeffrey:So let them have their voice. And at that point in time, say, have you also thought about it like x y z? And all of a sudden, we're starting to broaden their mind, that multidimensional thinking, and say, you ever thought about it or that? Oh, no. I've never thought about it like that.
Jeffrey:But, you know, my way is the best way. And say, alright. Let's incorporate your way and into this spider web where all of us contribute for the best interest of the outcome of the environment. And that that way, they feel heard, valued, cared for, mattered. I just watched Robbie Williams.
Jeffrey:If anyone hasn't watched Better Man, it is an unbelievable movie about how a human can feel inside despite the projection of, you know, the superstar that he is. And I think once we understand that, we can seek to understand the individual. And once you yeah. I could sit with Robbie Williams and flip him in a heartbeat because I've been there, done that. As an individual who's been in the darkest place, you gotta imagine doing twenty years in jail as a bank robber, growing up in Australia's most notorious streets, the amount of you're just a criminal scum.
Jeffrey:You're x y and z despite for you know, it's been twenty two years since I've been in trouble. Yeah. And for me, working in the corporate world of global leadership, I've just won the global, leadership award last year
Kristina:and That's all about that.
Jeffrey:Award, as well last year. So to me, all of and this is for everybody, Focus on who you truly are and who you truly wanna be. We will never please the world. And I look at Robbie Williams on stage. There's always going to be people in the audience.
Jeffrey:That was terrible. That was I'm like, are you joking? Yeah. The person you go to a concert sometimes and you're dancing like this and the person next to you is like this. So it's how do we get them into the conversation?
Jeffrey:And even in that spot, how good is this? So I find the energy as you spoke about before, let that flow onto them and get the beat going, bit of head wobbles going and, you know, all of a sudden they're like
Kristina:People start to mimic. Right? They match in the group. You can start to get them going.
Jeffrey:It might be the shyness that they have or something. I wanna dance and let go of myself, but I'm going to be embarrassed. But now I'm like, how could this let's go? Yeah. Yeah.
Jeffrey:The person's like, oh, yeah. And then all of a sudden they come out, you're, woah. This person can dance. And that's, you know, the dance of life. Don't hold yourself back from just being you and let yourself be all of you can be.
Jeffrey:And whether that's the dance of life or the dance of business or the dance of just you being you, Go out and dance every single day in the life you want and actually live it like you said in your books. You wanna open your books. You've got these books. I'd love to see them. Where, you know, you open a map at the end of the end of the end of the end of the campfire of life and you say, hey, Jeff.
Jeffrey:Look what I did in my life. And I'm like, oh, what? You went to Greece. The Portugal and we're sitting there talking. Oh, what?
Jeffrey:You're calling that mountain? You're seeing the Pyramids. What a life. Now I I thought about that. Are you gonna be the person that thought about it?
Jeffrey:Are you going to be the person that shows me those books? Or we're going to exchange those books and you're like, oh, wow. Korea or dove with sharks or jumped out. I don't know what it is for yourself.
Kristina:Experiences. See, it's the core memories. Absolutely.
Jeffrey:Is it is your core memory going to be I woke up and went to work every day and and paid the bills and
Kristina:And wished it away and wished it away. Like, wished my eight hours a day. Woke up going like, you don't you gotta bounce out of bed and I'm a morning person, but so not everyone bounces. But,
Jeffrey:oh, even that even that conversation, I want everybody to because people say I'm not a morning person. And there is studies now where people are, they've shown that your energy levels will come out at particular time. But even know that. Like, so alright. You might stay up all night.
Jeffrey:You might be a 4AM person. Right? But a 4AM person sitting there watching, yeah, infra channels about the the latest cut out. Oh, look at this cut out. Or you 4AM person looking at stuff that elevates your life.
Jeffrey:Feeding. You live life.
Kristina:Yes. That you you hit that on their head there. So I I'm a morning person, always have been. But I was talking recently, in an interview and I was saying, too many people go, oh, well, I'm not a morning person so I won't be successful. I'm like, no.
Kristina:No. No. There are night owls and there are morning there are morning persons. Right? But I'm like, the night owls, you can't If you're gonna say I'm a night owl and that's what I do, that's fine.
Kristina:If you do your best work between nine and twelve, congratulations. Not me. But you've gotta do it. Like you said, you can't be sitting watching Netflix or death scrolling social media for five hours or Or you've gotta actually if that's your productive time, that's your productive time. But don't use it as an excuse.
Kristina:Get too tired. The reason you're not a morning person is because you're wasting those hours. But, I wanted to go back on when you're talking about those individuals, I I just wanna touch for a second because actually my family, they own a single men's shared accommodation. So think low budget, single rooms, shared accommodation. So that we get the entry level back in to those rooms, which a lot is people coming out of jail.
Kristina:Now what I've seen a lot of is two very different sides here. And so what I'm trying to reach out to here is, do you think maybe what happens is people come in, they'll come because they've got nowhere else to go. Sometimes they're stuck in jail because they can't find accommodation. So people are just stuck there until we've got rooms that become available because not many people do this. But what happens is we get two very different types of people.
Kristina:We get the the the gentleman who wanna make a change and wanna set their life up, and you can see that they're they're they're good they're good guys. Right? But then they're getting put in this environment, and they you can see they're not getting a leg up. We write references for them to try and get their own, like, rental. We say always paying rent, being, like, diligent, clean, quiet, amazing, and they cannot get a leg up.
Kristina:And then we get the other side that come in, steal our TVs, trash our rooms, don't pay the rent, and then it gets to a stage where we're like, well, we don't really want them to come to us anymore, but they've got no rest to go because we're like, they're trashing they're trashing the place. But then you've got these few good eggs. But I guess my question is, do you think that there is a disconnect from leaving jail to get back into society for that, or do you just think they're not ready to have left?
Jeffrey:I think, like, I've got a lot of property now in our portfolio, and I find that there's residents that even old ones that won't get out, and they'll smash the place up. They'll trash it. So I think it's just a human behavioral thing, to be honest with yourself. And but when you add the title of criminal coming out of jail, now people will judge it. Right?
Jeffrey:So you're gonna get good and bad in in your properties no matter what it is. But the biggest thing out of that is seek to understand those that we can help. There are a lot of men and and women that have been in there. They've been victims of abuse from their own parents or their uncles or some because of the environments they grew up in. They've had no role modeling.
Jeffrey:So, firstly, we can role model those people and say, hey. We we really, you know, we really wanna see you win. And I've done it many a times where we've put them in the right space and they've yeah. Some of these have been become great CEOs, great coaches, great leaders in the community. All they just never had was the right positioning or the role modeling.
Jeffrey:And once you give give that to them, to you and your parents, it's a beautiful thing because yeah. In Robbie Williams, there's an emotional part where his grandmother says, you know, leans over, puts his, her arm on him and says, I believe in you. And for us, you know, that's a we just need one person to believe in us. And and that's all it is. Like, to to be you've got to understand when we come out, we come out with $400 worth of, $400 worth of, check and that's it.
Jeffrey:That you don't get any more than that and you're meant to survive after my last sentence environment of Australia and the financial situation. They're coming out with $400.
Kristina:It's it's almost throwing them back just straight on the streets and you get so desperate because, you know, as you know, human psychology, like, a motivators is the the bare minimum is food and shelter. Right? And if you don't have that, you can't motivate anything else to get better because that's your that's the human instinct.
Jeffrey:So Let me ask you too. Once you're in this stressful situation, you borrow borrow off your parents or your friends or somebody. Who's our friends? Who's our friends that we're gonna borrow off? Drug dealers, you know, people making money illegally some way, shape, or form?
Jeffrey:You've gotta pay that back to them, and and there's a a different consequence on the end if you don't pay that person back. And a lot of the times they say, just, you know, take this and sell this for me and you'll be even.
Kristina:And then And then they
Jeffrey:take it and they sell it and they go, I'm just gonna sell some stuff just until I get on my feet. Oh, like, they'll tell you this. And then because they can't borrow off somebody else, they can't get loans from the banks, they can't like, it's just a real catch 22 and Yeah. They end up sort of going down that path and the money's good and they start doing it a bit more. Now the girls come or, you know, if it's a guy and they're they're they're driving a nice car, and all of a sudden, they've just fallen back into that honey trap.
Jeffrey:And, you know, that's the biggest thing. It's like, how do we get to a position where yeah. I'm not in it. It it's a very hard position for most people to think, but here's $50 to set your business up when you get out. And people would say, I'm not giving them $50 for committing crimes.
Jeffrey:We don't get that. The reality is if we don't give them the $50, we're gonna pay 500,000, just so you know. They cost $5,500,000, half a million, and there might be even more. I think it's for a kid, it's something ridiculous. It's like 500,000.
Jeffrey:Let's say it's 500,000. It's definitely that
Kristina:It's no idea. Yeah. It is quite it it's I know it's very high.
Jeffrey:Yeah. That's 4 that's 450,000 you're gonna spend not once because I went in and out of custody. So you spent they spent millions on to keep me in custody. Millions. So, like, get the person into a even build a farm.
Jeffrey:And when I come home, I'll go out on the farm, I'll learn discipline, getting up early, role modeling, not not Finance. Financing, life skills. You know, how to deal with emotional intelligence when someone gets it and and you might say, what? You got a problem? Let's fight then.
Jeffrey:And rather than fighting, it's not my business. My business is my business. And alright. Cool. Cool.
Jeffrey:Sorry, mate. I cut you off and you feel offended. You probably needed the spot more than I did. Have a great day and just keep walking. So I'd rather spend $50 there and have someone who contributes to society and maybe doesn't take someone's life later down the track.
Jeffrey:Yeah. In your family or my family, you know, my kids. Now wouldn't we want that? So and we wanna we do wanna better society, but we don't want a better society. We want a better society, but we don't want a better, which means we role model those kids or or human beings, even adults.
Jeffrey:A lot of them wanna change as you said, but they're just stuck in this grind. It's like business where, you know, someone come in and say, alright. Let's I'm a I'm I'm a millionaire. Let's say you be a millionaire next week. You've got all the tools on, you know, the Internet.
Jeffrey:Go out and show me that you can do it. And they're like, oh, I don't know how. I don't well, you're a failure. Just you'll never succeed in business. And that's pretty much how we treat these people.
Jeffrey:And they're human beings in the end that just are we're not bad people. We were I was never a bad person. I just did bad things. And when you understand that conversation, it means that I was built well but I just didn't know how to do well. And I'd you know, as I said, he how do I make money?
Jeffrey:Can I have a job? No. I went to the Australian air force because Topgutting was out at the time and I said, I wanna be in this. And I said, if I get in, I am out of this area and I'm going to the air force.
Kristina:I could see you. I could see you top gunning Mavericks. I could. I could.
Jeffrey:It was out at the time and I was like, I'm that's it.
Kristina:I'm going to
Jeffrey:be Tom Cruise and, set it and pass the test and then you got a criminal record and I lied. I said no because I just didn't wanna be judged or, you know, I I I would've gave it everything I had. And, you know, being a proud Aboriginal man, like, I would've gave everything for my country. And that means all of us in this country and people you know, even that that conversation, people are like, oh, Aboriginals and what do you feel that unconscious bias? We're all human beings.
Jeffrey:Love, kindness, empathy, and respect towards one another. The greatest race in this planet is the human race. When we all get on with each other, let it be, man. Like, let's just get on. And when I say let it be, also educate yourself around what truly happens so we can all understand and bring unity to this country.
Jeffrey:And that unity, that comes in your life because if it's not there, it won't be there. And that in relationships, in finances, in business, learn to seek to understand the situation and you understand this as a better nation, and that will help us on a criminal level, you know, dealing with the people that have been there, done that on a business level, life relationships. And I can guarantee you that seamless and stressless life I'm talking about. That's what we teach, you know, huge organization, the defense force itself, funnily enough. NRL, corporate organizations, health services, communities, university schools.
Jeffrey:You name it, we do it. And that's basically seeking to understand. We're all built differently. You gotta you know, you like blue, I like red. Someone likes curry, you the next person doesn't.
Jeffrey:How do we get that message for the best interest of the outcome of that environment? If that's the world, then let's make the world a better place through a word called melorism. Look that up and
Kristina:Melorism. Alright. Build better humans, melorism.
Jeffrey:Absolutely. That's my that's the motto of our
Kristina:That's your motto. Right? Build better humans. With your clients, I was looking and you seem like, you just mentioned a whole swag of from CEOs and NSOs, National Sporting Organizations to, like, the duties to just, general people. And I like, I love to even I was looking through the different testimonials to see what sort of people were attracted and were connecting with you.
Kristina:And, you know, I saw this testimonial and it quoted, I began to love myself again. Did that just, like, warm your heart? So I guess my question would be, well, you're you're trying to build better humans. What sort of humans do you find are connecting with you? Because it it it is such a a range you're getting.
Kristina:And are you seeing a common theme in their their questions or their approach to you from the big corporations to this individual who's just learned to love themselves again? Is there a common theme, or is it very their fitness, their corporate, their leadership, they're very different at
Jeffrey:like Yeah. Like, you get it. Human behavior is human behavior. Right? And in the end, a lot of us are just built from what we know.
Jeffrey:The program I call it the program of life. Wake up, go to your nine to five, come home, get a house, pay that off, get a car on higher financing. That's all cool. Right? If that's what you wanna do and that's your way of life.
Jeffrey:But if I could make that more seamless and stressless, if I could help you pay your house off and car off within two years, would that be of interest to you? And once we ask that question, everyone wants more out of life.
Kristina:Say that. Yeah. Me.
Jeffrey:What is that more from life that you'd like? And they'd say, I'd like to travel more. I'd like to spend more time with my kids, my wife, my partner, my husband, my whatever it is. Right? And I'm like, so how do you envision that happening?
Jeffrey:And they're like, what do you mean? I said, so right now, what's your age? And I'll ask the person their age. I'll say, you told me you were 21. And I say, for the last twenty one years, it hasn't happened.
Jeffrey:What will happen for the next twenty one years with the same program that you've got currently got within the system of who you are? And then that probably won't happen. And I said, well, I can guarantee it won't happen unless you learn some new stuff. So what would you like to learn that will help you earn more within your life? And I'm not talking I'm not just talking financially.
Jeffrey:Psychologically, spiritually, emotionally, culturally, physically, financially, educationally. And when you do that and put that into your weekly plan, that's a tip. So there's seven there that I just gave out. Put one of those into each of your days to learn something financially, how to invest, stock markets, economy, and how that operates on that day as an example. The next day, it might be something spiritually.
Jeffrey:And when people go, oh, I'm not wishy washy and I sit there with the praying to somebody that I don't believe in or something of that. I'm talking about spiritually how your inner battery or soul feels around the people you're around as an example. Go yeah. Do they light your spirit up or do they take it away? And when you understand that, maybe you've got a pet that makes you a pet comes in the room and it just makes you feel the specific way.
Jeffrey:So that's your spirit. Right? For us as Aboriginal people, connection to land. Now people go, oh, bullshit. Well, how do you feel when you walk down the beach and take your shoes off and about to jump off the ocean?
Jeffrey:Magical. Right? Ions, if you understand ions and how the positive negative charge and how the ocean works, same principle. Right? So when you're doing one of those each day, you build yourself into a, you know, powerful human being.
Jeffrey:And when, like, the problem here and I know a lot of people, they watch this podcast saying, that's it. I've got the keys to life. Jeff's giving me the cheat codes. What we gave you today in an hour is, like, 1% of what we could give you. Five years later, you could still be developing yourself.
Jeffrey:So don't think you got all the cheat codes to life, but that's what they are. They're the cheat codes to life. And where do you get them from? I'm listening to your podcast, those rocking chair moments, and I'm like, that's a great analogy for me. So everybody can learn from somebody, and what that does, it compresses time.
Jeffrey:So you used to pay your house off in seventy years. Now you go through an online business around something I'm passionate about that I can you know, this mental guide consultant has compressed time and allowed me to build something. TikTok shop is an example now. You can build that and you can do it overseas, so you can't do it here currently. But compression of time, build that, put, you know, some products into that shop, do enough research with the right tools that I could teach anybody, and you can print money.
Jeffrey:Right? What would that do for you if you printed money? Would you take your kids to Disneyland? Would you still work in the same workplace that you know? I doubt it.
Jeffrey:And Yeah. Yeah. You do what you'd wanna be doing.
Kristina:You'd be excited to go for work and not wishing your days away.
Jeffrey:Like, could be a thrown a fishing line in and, I don't know, fly fishing. I don't know what it is for that person. Right? It could be just playing in the backyard with your kids and watching them grow up. Like, because that's the point of life, isn't it?
Jeffrey:You're you're having these families and then you're setting your families up. What about in between where a lot of people don't realize the disconnect between themselves and kids? Yeah. I'm working hard. I leave at five in the morning.
Jeffrey:I'll get home at seven at night. Very noble in between. Right? You've got this mindset that it's about being noble for my family. But in between is also disconnect from your family.
Jeffrey:What if you could reconnect Yeah. And still make money and be noble for your family and pay that house off in two years. But in that two years you're still traveling for well, I traveled for nine and a half weeks the other day, overseas through Europe, and people are like, why would you go to Europe because your money's only half? Well, I'd I'm not fussed because I've made so much, and I've got different streams coming in from different things that I can do that. And would you like to know how to do that?
Jeffrey:That's not possible, mate. And I'm like, alright. Cool. Because what we get caught up in is the nine to five of life and my pay packet is even if it was $3 a week and you're you're starting to work towards those top percentage, makers within Australia, What ends up happening, we still block that out and say, I only make $3 a week by 52 or a hundred 50 k or whatever it is. Right?
Jeffrey:Once you understand that that whole conversation yourself, you can then start to say, is this going to give me the life I want? No. It's not. What do I need to do then to change that? I don't know.
Jeffrey:Remember that first conversation, the ceiling of your knowledge? Let go. Surrender and say, Christina, can you show me what you do because I'd love to earn more money? Jeff, how do you do that so I could earn more money? And and you'll do it.
Jeffrey:The problem with society, we think that we we're gonna sell you something. Are you gonna do my program or you're gonna be my affiliate market marketer? And let me tell you this, even if it was affiliate marketing and you were gun at it and you made millions off it, good luck to you. That's what you were great at. Go out and do that.
Jeffrey:But people disconnect and say it's a pyramid scheme. It's a Ponzi Ponzi scheme in Australia is illegal, but pyramid scheme, even if they're making millions, people will discount that. And I'd say, if that's what you're great at, go out and do it. Yep. If that's what you love, that product, that service, that that way of life.
Kristina:And it's serving. Alright? Well, I always say if it's not unkind and it's not malicious, you know, it's it's okay. It's good. You don't need to worry.
Kristina:Those people that are dissing, those people are negative. I just seeing the the gaps in their own life, and they wanna bring you back down to make you to make them feel better. So the the sooner you can disconnect yourself and go that's that's their problem, not mine. I'm I'm not unkind. I'm not malicious.
Kristina:I'm trying to serve people that this will help them, then go for it. Right?
Jeffrey:Just be ethical too. Yeah. As I said, don't be the old version of me and, yeah, I'm gonna crucify this. But wait. There's more, and I don't give you the more or I don't whatever it is, don't promise, you know, a unicorn and then end up giving them a donkey that kicks him.
Jeffrey:So, you know, make sure that you're ethical in that process, and that's the biggest thing. Find what works for you. Yeah. Like, don't get caught up in other people's thought about I that's probably the biggest one I see, the affiliate marketing side of things. And I know some of those people I've got a great mate who's going through that process.
Jeffrey:He's an absolute he's he's got a part of that 7 and a half grand passive he gets paid every single month. His next one is $14 a month that he gets paid passive because of the level he's got to around affiliate marketing. Right? If you wanna call it that. But in the end, the biggest thing with him and people can't oh, it's affiliate marketing.
Jeffrey:I say, do you get paid when you die tomorrow, does your company pay you you $14 every single month for the rest of your life? And they're like, no. I said, well, you know, that company pays him for the rest of his life while he's alive and he he passes it on it's called legacy. They pass it on to their kids. Wow.
Jeffrey:That's He gets paid $14 for the rest of their life when he gets to that next level. And I'm like, that to me is just I'm like, I I had the same I had to get past, you know, that's not for me, mate. But it, to me, it's just an easy stream of income that I could pass on to my kids. $7, 7 grand a month even if they split that. They could, you know, for nothing.
Jeffrey:They don't have to do they could sit on the lounge if they wanted to. But even then then I'm thinking, alright. So how do I build my kids so they don't sit on the lounge with that $7 and just do nothing? And even with my money, what are they I don't I'll set up a trust, and I'll make sure that when they get that, I'll drip feed it to them, and it's around excellence within their life, not just to go out and, you know, blow up partying and, on drugs or something of that nature. I don't imagine my kids, because of my money, then end up down a path for drugs and overdoses and dyes.
Jeffrey:You know? Like, I'll make sure I build them well as well as I can, and that way I feel as best I can in that situation. That's that's advice for everybody out there. Build everyone in your environments as best as you can, but it starts with you. And I always say people say there's no I in team.
Jeffrey:I say that that's rubbish. If I was, you know, let's say we talk about a car and the car is a team and we take the tire off, you tell me the car still runs as efficiently and effectively as it possibly could. There's no way it will and that shooting out sparks from its tire from its rims. So understand that there is an eye in tandem. When you build yourself into the strongest version, you bring something that is of value.
Jeffrey:And think of Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant or some of these athletes within a team, they build themselves so well. You go and watch that Michael Jordan thing. They a lot of them hated him in his team, you know. But it he was driving him. I want more.
Jeffrey:I want more. Give me more. Give me more. And in the end, they end up winning championships.
Kristina:He demanded excellence, but he of himself, but then he demanded it of his team as well.