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Columbus' hub for inclusive conversations on building success in real estate, construction, and adjacent industries! Host Arianny Damian holds space for local professionals to share their perspectives regarding the empowerment, support, and advocacy for women in male-dominated fields.
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Speaker 1:Welcome to Just Betunis Girls. This is Columbus's hub for inclusive conversations on building success in male dominated fields. Whether it's through empowerment, support, or advocacy, we talk all things professional development and breaking the glass ceiling. Alright. Welcome to episode 5 of Just Between Us Girls.
Speaker 1:My name is Ariane Damian, your business development rep with Thompson Restoration Associates. And today we have Angie Carey.
Speaker 2:I'm the director of property management at Saeta Properties.
Speaker 1:Amazing. I'm so so excited for you to join me. Angie and I have been having some amazing discussions, and I'm really excited to bring it on air. Are you ready?
Speaker 2:I'm ready. I'm ready.
Speaker 1:That makes me so happy because I was every time I'm sweating in my boots, I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2:We're gonna get into this again.
Speaker 3:We got it. We got it.
Speaker 1:Well, I want to kind of first introduce the audience to you and find out a little bit more about what you do and in particular with Scioto Properties, how you guys are a little different than some of these property management companies. Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm so thankful that you had me on and we're talking about this. So I've been in the property management industry for going on 25 years, which is really hard to say. But 25 years, I started, actually in residential, went to commercial. And then here at Scioto, we are do a little bit different.
Speaker 2:We are residential, but, our residential focus is on the, mentally impaired Mhmm. Mobile impaired, behavioral disabilities, those kinds of things. And what makes us different is that we actually have a mission, and we follow that mission. Mhmm. And that's what really attracted me to Cyrodi Properties was the fact that that mission lives through and through.
Speaker 3:You know, you
Speaker 2:can have a mission statement. You can have it say one thing, but to truly follow it Yeah. And believe it, is is amazing. And that's really what we're about, and and it's really kind of fulfilling my my life's mission as I've gotten, more mature in the field. So yeah.
Speaker 1:That makes me really I didn't realize that there were man management companies that particularly cater to Yeah. Some of these, different, you know, demographics than your regular tenant. Right? Like Truly. This is a lot more, it's a little bit more intense, I can imagine.
Speaker 2:It's very intense. So when we buy these homes, we're buying single family homes. We do have facilities, but the single family homes, we have to do a lot of renovations and modifications to a 19 fifties home. Sometimes even a 19 hundreds home. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you have to modify these for these individuals and, truly take the care to do that. Sometimes they you take creative. Right? Yeah. So Yeah.
Speaker 2:But which is exactly the part of it?
Speaker 1:Well and I really appreciate it. In one of our conversations, I remember you saying that your guys' CEO, you guys kinda had a conversation around him saying, you know, these properties, we we give them in certain condition, and we're not always gonna get them back in those conditions because of who is living in them. Mhmm. And it's not always about the bottom line. Like, if you were just looking at the bottom line, this wouldn't be the line of work that you guys would probably be specializing in.
Speaker 2:So true. So true. And I'm glad you brought that up. So there's a lot of our homes. We purchased the home.
Speaker 2:We have, you know, a certain set amount that you're paying, that our provider is paying to us. Mhmm. And then, you know, we've we've automatically assumed that they're gonna take responsibility for the roof or the driveway. Yeah. The foundation.
Speaker 2:Well, that's kind of difficult. Right? To have a conversation with a provider to say you're responsible for a $30,000 roof when it's our asset. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So we
Speaker 2:have to have that creative conversation around that. And, but the conversation that I have with our president was, how do I allow this provider to do that? And he was like, we should be doing that. And having that conversation of, like, sometimes you kinda have to eat that cost Mhmm. To provide this home for these individuals because they don't have the money.
Speaker 2:Not that we're an open checkbook because we're not, but they don't have the money to do that.
Speaker 1:And so to be able to
Speaker 2:provide that just shows me that even more so that mission is strong.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I was gonna say that's, like, really that's really mission work. Right? Like, when you decide that it's not in a in a world where numbers rule it all, like, this is commercial real estate. Like, let's let's be real.
Speaker 1:This is residential real estate. Yep. And at the end of the day, though, deciding, like, the numbers are not going to be the thing that determines full on
Speaker 2:That drives it.
Speaker 1:What what we decide to do and how we move. Mhmm. And even, like, in in restoration for us, like, a lot of the things that's, really helpful with us being an independent restorer is, in this creative conversation. A lot of the times, we have these units where it's like, if you're in here doing a bunch of demo Mhmm. This is gonna disrupt the lifestyle of a lot of our residents.
Speaker 1:Correct. And so if they're asking us, you know, what is what is a better way to go about this? We as an independent restorer can be like, you know what? We're gonna go ahead and get a little creative with our drawing and get more aggressive in that arena so that we can mitigate having to do all of this demo and having to disrupt so many different Mhmm. So many lives.
Speaker 1:You know? Yeah.
Speaker 2:We had that conversation a couple of days ago. We've we've had a major kitchen renovation, bathroom renovations. Mhmm. These people are still living in the homes. Yeah.
Speaker 2:They have no place else to go. Sometimes they can go to a hotel, but it's different.
Speaker 1:Right? Exactly.
Speaker 2:Different than, like, you and I going to the hotel for, you know, a vacation Mhmm. To try to disrupt our home, and it's it can be rough.
Speaker 1:Yeah. In one of those, conversations too for me, it was really realizing the fact that when you are, looking at the numbers and you are more on their operation side of things, it really is about deciding that in a industry where people should come first Mhmm. Deciding in certain moments that the people do come first above all else.
Speaker 2:Very true.
Speaker 1:And like you said, it's it's not like one of us going on a vacation, right, and being able to this is not a a, willing cost. Like, this is not something that you're wanting to go out of your way to
Speaker 2:Yeah. And you can only, capital expense manage Yeah. To a certain extent. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 2:But when you have a portfolio of homes, depending on where they are at in the United States, which we have in 42 states Mhmm. Texas and California. The southern states, they get nailed with sun, and so their roofs get damaged, and you know all that stuff. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we have to capitalize all that and factor that in Yeah. Also having them in their homes. So it's it's a challenge. Yeah. But but it is one of those things where you have to look at it, beyond what the numbers say, and what the length of the lease says.
Speaker 2:It has to do with, you know, what the value is to us as a company as well as to to the to the resident.
Speaker 1:So Yeah. Well, and you're kind of molding your role a little bit. Right? Like, you've been in this industry for how long now?
Speaker 2:Going on, 25 years, honestly. I've been in it since I graduated from high school. Mhmm. So it's been my life. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And so this position, particularly, I am molding. We did not really have property management. We've had asset management. It's slightly different.
Speaker 2:It's mostly numbers. Property management is mostly taking care of the property.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:We have not had that. So I'm coming in making some changes, that I know that work. Mhmm. And we're kinda just going with it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's been fun. I've been there for 7 weeks, and it's been a lot of fun. Yeah. Challenges, but nothing that we can't handle. And that's one great thing about property management is that you can fix everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, there's nothing you can't fix.
Speaker 3:So
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, that's beautiful, especially because I think a lot of the times, you end up in a lot of these, like they're not cut and dry situations of, like, this plus this equals this. Like Right. The the solution's right in front of you. Right?
Speaker 1:It really is about kind of being able to
Speaker 2:Be creative. Creative. Right.
Speaker 1:And get and get around things.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And so what are some things in your career that you feel like, have really, really made you start thinking alternatively, and made you start thinking about not the direct solution every single time?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, like, we were talking about cabinetry. Most people wanna just replace the whole cabinet. But I my my history, I've run into people who can restore those countertops or can restore the counters
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:In the cabinets. And that, to me, is more powerful than just replacing the whole thing. Like, just throwing it out and saying, oh, let's get new. Yeah. And it 9 times out of 10 is is less expensive, but it looks better.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Put that epoxy finish on the top of it, make it look like it's granite. It's not. Mhmm. My personal home has what I thought was Corian. It's not.
Speaker 2:It's not at all.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you can get creative with that. Right? Mhmm. You can wrap the wrap the doors. You could paint them.
Speaker 2:Just do something different instead of having to replace good solid bones of a of a product. Yeah. Just because you wanna update it. Yeah. So that's where that creative side has come into play for me.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. One of the topics we've kinda talked about was, you know, creativity beyond artistry. Mhmm. It's not just about, can you paint a pretty picture? It's, can you think differently?
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And beyond. And I feel like that's kinda what made me different Yeah. And made my team different is because we do think a little bit differently than most.
Speaker 1:I think one of the biggest things too that you said there is being able to, when you use the ability to expand your knowledge beyond what would be on your typical job description. Right? So, like, for you being in property management, of course, you've been used to, creating some reports, having you do your, you know, your day to day task and things like that. But then when you go beyond and you decide, you know, I'm gonna learn a little bit more about the mechanics that are in this building. Yes.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna learn a little bit more about, what's going on with the plumbing of this building. Decide to start asking your vendors questions and really make it your mission to kind of, be able to understand beyond what the answer is right in front of you. How does that add to your resume?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Truly. And so kind of also brings it back to this conversation is being a female in this industry. Right?
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:I've had borderline no choice but to dive in. Yeah. To ask those questions. Otherwise, I'd be eaten alive for lack of better words. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, it is very easy to take for granted Yeah. That everybody else knows what I know. Because I've just I've I've literally delved into a lot of these things. But it's taking that initiative, and it's asking those questions. I want to know how that HVAC system works.
Speaker 2:I want to know what a heat pump is. I want to know what a cooling tower
Speaker 3:is Mhmm.
Speaker 2:For the commercial, you know, tenants and things like that. And I get to know that. And I want to know. And I wanna know how the plumbing works. I wanna know how a septic tank works.
Speaker 2:And I have that in my house, but we have a lot of homes in Connecticut.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That have septic, well water. Yeah. Those are things that not a brain knows about. Yeah. And those are things you'd have to you have to learn.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. And I've told all my team, it's like, okay. If we we know that thing that someone else does not know, and they see us as having that value and having that, true understanding. Mhmm. And it just elevates our positions Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Of who we are and why we're managing the properties that we're managing.
Speaker 1:And it's funny you said that too because it's also not only about, like, having that value, it's communicating that value. Right? They would know that you know these things. Mhmm. Should you not come to the table and say, like, the like, this is the reason that I'm the next level for you.
Speaker 1:Correct. These are the things that make me different, and, I would love to know what one way you would tell someone else that is looking to understand some of these next level, whether it's, you know, the HVAC, the WELT. Like, what is a way that what's the best way to approach someone in trying to understand this stuff? Because I think as women, we can be very, like, almost scared to speak up and say, you know, like, I don't know this thing. I But you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 2:I would just ask. That's how uphold I am. I literally asked everybody in industry throughout the time. Mhmm. What are you doing?
Speaker 2:I want to see what you're doing. I want to know this. I want to learn this. It's about being bold, and knowing that you were doing this because you love it. And I truly as much as it drives me crazy sometimes.
Speaker 2:I do love property management. I love what we do. It's a it is a passion of mine, and I I ask those questions because I want to know.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And
Speaker 2:so what I would say to somebody is, you know, make sure if you're wanting to do this, you're wanting to know property management, is to get into the thicket of it and understand it through and through. Don't just look at the numbers, because the numbers are only part of the story.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You have to know the whole story to be able to be communicate that. Mhmm. And also too, I don't like to ever rely on a vendor to tell me something. Mhmm. I trust I trust my vendors.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. But I want it to come for me that they know that I know what I'm talking about. Yeah. That just validates, I guess, you know, my knowledge even further. So I would tell anybody to just make sure that you you know that, and you go after that.
Speaker 2:Well, and I
Speaker 1:think that even almost leads into a little bit the conversation what we were having with, whenever you're kind of trying to get anything done, the squeaky wheel gets gets the what is it like? Gets the worm. Gets the worm.
Speaker 2:Does it the bird gets the worm. The squeaky wheel gets the worm. Matt, you heard of your first.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, like, sometimes just speaking up and saying, like, I don't know this thing. Can this like, making it even going of your own volition, doing that research, doing some article reading, getting into some, even in, like, associations. Sometimes they will do deep dives with certain people and have people, like, lay out. These are the aspects that maybe you don't understand about what's going on in your building. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you really do kinda have to advocate for yourself to get that next level of knowledge to level up your career.
Speaker 2:Correct. And that's one thing I wanna mention too. You know, Iram, the Institute of Real Estate Management, has been huge just in my career.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Ifma is another really good one, facility management, because they have the educational piece. BOEM is good too. All these organizations and, you know, affiliations are fantastic. You have to go get those questions and you have to ask them.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And you gotta show up.
Speaker 2:You got to show
Speaker 1:up. You have got to show up. Somebody you know,
Speaker 2:people tell us all the time, like, you get what you put in. Mhmm. If you're really gonna put in, like, hey. I'm just gonna go up this lunch, and I'm not gonna talk to anybody. That's what you're gonna get out of it.
Speaker 1:Yes. Throw back to my episode with Laura Michelle. It's not the miraculous she said.
Speaker 2:There you go. Yeah. That's my girl. But, no, it's just about having those conversations and talking to people. I mean, I think I met, one of my plumbers that I use for everything at an event, and I've used them now for 13, 14 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Same with me, my HVAC people. You don't you don't know unless you start talking to people, and you build those relationships. And now I know if I call they call, but if I call them Right. They're out there, because they know that I mean business, and I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And that, to me, is huge.
Speaker 1:And that's the kind of stuff too. Right? When you're negotiating your value, and trying to get a new job or, because you just went through this. Like, you were in a job hunt as a person that is very tenured. You've been in your career for a long time now.
Speaker 1:And, what these are the little things that you can use to negotiate your contract and coming into a job and being like, look, I'm not just your I'm not just what you're seeing on this resume because that's a question I ask in my interviews. I ask and by the way, this is a really great bonus interview question. What is not on your resume that I should know about you? Very true.
Speaker 2:And it's your time to
Speaker 1:shine, baby. You could say, you know what? Hand me a plumbing fixture.
Speaker 2:I'm good. I don't know why I turned my toilet.
Speaker 1:And and it's just
Speaker 3:one of
Speaker 1:those things, like, this is how you this is leveling up. It's going beyond. Going more, going more into the day to day because these are the things that will affect you on
Speaker 3:the day to day.
Speaker 1:Right? Absolutely. You don't know something. If you don't know a vendor in your area
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:Who are you gonna ask? If you don't know a blog to go and maybe look this up Absolutely. Where are you gonna go? Absolutely. You can't count on AI for everything, guys.
Speaker 2:Sure not. So Or what is that chat? AI Chat t b t. There
Speaker 1:you go.
Speaker 2:See, I don't even know about that guy yet, but I just heard about this, and I was like, oh, wait a minute. What? Yeah. That's a good idea. Okay.
Speaker 2:So yeah.
Speaker 1:No. I love it. It's, it's one of those things where, you know, I, one of the things that I opened up last episode with, is the fact that these are not meant to be things that are your the backbone of your work. You're meant to use these things as tools and as supportive, you know, supportive documents and supportive, being able to gather data that way or being able to sift through data that way. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:But you you should be the one that is bringing that that next whatever.
Speaker 2:The next thing. Yes. One thing, you know, throughout my career, I hear my dad's voice in the background. Mhmm. He's always like, Angie, you don't follow trends.
Speaker 2:You make trends.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And
Speaker 2:that doesn't it's not just for fashion. Mhmm. That is for everything. And I literally use it almost every day. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't follow the trends. I make the trends. And so I have set myself up, hopefully, aside by, you know, doing things differently Mhmm. Or not saying no initially. Like, Like, I'm thinking about things.
Speaker 2:We talked about this just before we started recording is taking those moments to really are you listening, or are you just wanting to respond? That that was key. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Are
Speaker 2:you are you doing this just because you wanna listen or because you wanna have a response to something? And Mhmm. As I've gotten more mature, I'm trying to do this so I can listen. I wanna hear what someone's, you know, qualms are. When they call me, they're not calling me to tell me to have a
Speaker 1:good day. Right. That's something. They're not
Speaker 2:calling me to have a good day. They're calling me because they have a problem, and they're calling you because they have a problem. Right? You've got tree through the house, whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 2:How can I help you? How can let's calm me down first. My first thing is always, let's calm me down. Yeah. Then let's bring it back around.
Speaker 3:And I
Speaker 2:think it's what women bring. Women have that heart. Mhmm. Men have hearts, but they just don't know how to use them and be like, I think it's weak. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No offense, man. But I think they think it's weak.
Speaker 2:But, really, it's it's not about being weak. It's about showing our strength and those needs to be humanity. Humanity.
Speaker 1:It's that vulnerability, I think, that adds another layer to this is no longer just a business transaction. This is person to person. Like, I am doing this because I decided one day that I wanted to help people be better. Correct. I'm sure it was the same for you.
Speaker 1:And when you can just get to that, like, core person to person interaction of, like, I don't want you to call me thinking that we're gonna get right into this is how much you owe me because I've serviced you today.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:I want you to call me and feel like I can be your your problem solver. Like
Speaker 2:I actually just had, client I just called them because I just wanted to see how the repair went. She was like Yeah. You did what? Like, you wanna know how the I'm like, yeah. I just wanted to know how x y z thing went, and it shocked her.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Of
Speaker 2:course, in the background, I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because
Speaker 3:I want
Speaker 2:that to be that difference. I want to kinda have that shock factor of, okay. This is why Cywoda's different. This is why Angie's different.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The most
Speaker 1:Angie follows up.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And and that's even something I think the the the art of following up is getting so lost. Like, when you in so many different ways. Right? Like, you leave a networking event. You get all you get cards and everyone's talking and ta da da.
Speaker 1:And we're gonna connect. We're gonna connect. And then I don't hear from you again until the next The next thing. Mhmm. And even that, right, and even, like, if I have recommended you to someone, I always say, if I can't help you, I'm gonna find somebody that can.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And that is still servicing a client. Absolutely. And looping back around and being like, how did that go for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just shows, like, you know that that you still service them. Like, that's still an aspect of service these days is following up, seeing how people are doing. Because even if you weren't part of the transaction, you ought to still make sure it's gone the way you hoped it would go because in the end, that's your tenant, girl.
Speaker 2:Right. And let's be let's be honest. You know this too. Word-of-mouth is by far and few the best way to mark
Speaker 1:market. Right?
Speaker 2:So with these bigger providers, even the smaller providers, when our providers are our leaseholders in our in our sense
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:I wanna make sure that they know we care because they go on Google, they say the little thing, or they're talking to their friend, their cousin, their brother
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:Sister, whoever else. I want them to just come to us if they ever have, you know, like, another house or they have another area. Yeah. I don't think anybody else.
Speaker 1:But, yes, like it's one of those things where a lot of the times, like you said, word word travels. Right? And especially, like, when you're in a locality, so for us, like, being a local company, if the community if if one whistleblower Shows up and it's talking on your business Like in you you're a local business owner as well. You got apothecary and here's the thing is if one person if you do wrong by one person that will exponentially
Speaker 2:The cleanup makes it a lot worse. Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3:Especially if
Speaker 1:you try to wipe them off the face of the earth, they gonna keep coming back when it's like
Speaker 2:a zip. Just keep talking. Just keep talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And you've got to like, a portion of our business actually comes from word-of-mouth because a neighbor will have a loss, and then they'll be like, oh, you know what? I used this person for the last and that's something. Right? That's a piece of business that we're not, we don't put marketing dollars into that.
Speaker 1:We don't put it's not necessarily something that we count on, so we don't even count as part of our business strategy. But yet, we're getting a certain amount of work out of the community being like, these are some outstanding individuals.
Speaker 2:Good. Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And and that's what you that's that's what keeps you really going. Right? Is the community knowing that you're gonna do right by people.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. A 100%. Yeah. And I think that kinda brings us in our next topic of that of that balancing act. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Of the juggling of the responsibilities of just not to do our job, but also our home. Right? And we've talked about this. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:I have 2 boys, and, you know, I always tell my husband, and I tell my boys, like, I'm raising somebody else's spouse Yes. At some point. Right? So I want them to see me working hard and to see that my heart is genuine because then at the end of the day, they're hopefully gonna have those genuine hearts. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then and balancing that. Yeah. It can be kinda hard when you're talking to somebody who's angry, and they kinda like, why are you angry, mom? Well
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:I'm you know, I try not to show that. Right? Mhmm. But it is one of those things where I think, balancing the work
Speaker 3:Yeah. And the family
Speaker 2:life, the outside life. It can blend in together. Absolutely. But should it fully? No.
Speaker 2:Like, I try to shut my phone off Mhmm. In the evening. Mhmm. It's hard. I think that's one thing that
Speaker 3:was really hard
Speaker 2:about, like,
Speaker 1:in that COVID transition, you know, like, you're like on 247. I mean,
Speaker 2:you're on 247 normally, but, like, I feel like COVID, you were like on.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, your laptop's open. You've been working at the dinner table all day anyway. Oh, an email came in at 8. Okay.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna answer this email. Mhmm. Oh, okay. Now it's it's midnight. I'm still answering emails.
Speaker 2:Right. Because you're available. You're available on the whole.
Speaker 1:Exact am I no.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And that goes to to this balancing is talking and negotiating
Speaker 3:Yeah. This flexibility workplace environment. Yeah. That's one thing I told, you
Speaker 2:know, one thing I told, you know, Sayota, because I
Speaker 3:was looking, but I wasn't looking.
Speaker 2:Right? I mean, I had a recruiter call me and I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. But I said, you know, I'm a mom of 2 boys. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I have a good supportive husband, but at the same point in time, I don't want to miss out.
Speaker 3:Mhmm. I
Speaker 2:only get this one time
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To be with my kids. Yeah. And they only get this one mom. And I don't wanna be the mom that's not present. And they they all told me, I haven't missed my child's event.
Speaker 2:I have never missed this. And I was like, okay. Solid. Yeah. That's balance.
Speaker 2:Rings true. Right? And that truly is balance is when you can still go to work, enjoy your job, but you can still go home and enjoy your family. Yeah. Don't wanna ever feel like I'm going to a family event, and I'm, you know to be said, not granted.
Speaker 2:There's gonna be times where I'm gonna be busy because I've got something closing or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But that's, again, that's the balance too.
Speaker 2:That's the balance.
Speaker 1:Is I think too when you're talking about like work work, life balance, a lot of people really do emphasize on that life balance, and that's very important. Like, that is that is super, super important. Now on the other side too, though, is understanding that there are also moments you know, like you said, like closing a big deal or you have, like, something going on in the moment. Like, also recognizing, like, oh, because I have this amazing job that I can go out and go to my kid's game, let me close this deal real quick. And really, truly having that that balance.
Speaker 1:Very true.
Speaker 2:Very true. And and then also too, it's not just about the leadership having balance. Right? It's about making sure your team knows
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:They have that support. You know, that they have a life. I mean, I know that they live and they're humans. Right? And that they have things that happen, like, they have animals and they have the things and they they're doing this or they have family members that have issues.
Speaker 2:And it's like, I understand that. Mhmm. And and I have the heart to understand that. Right?
Speaker 3:And And
Speaker 1:not not making people feel guilty for
Speaker 2:Taking their time.
Speaker 1:No. Taking their time and even just that, like, that the things that affect our lives. Right? The things that make up our lives. Not making someone feel guilty because, okay, I I do have 5 children, and I do have to, you know, whatever.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'm not a so I can't really, like, speak directly. 5 soccer games. But, yeah, like, I I like, not making people feel bad for the confines of what their life is at the moment is like, that's how you build a true employee that's gonna appreciate you for years to come and not look to go other places. Something that we've been discussing a lot here is how we we build value outside of the paycheck portion Uh-huh. Of the benefits that people are looking at.
Speaker 3:Very
Speaker 1:true. So one of the things I mentioned in the last episode was we were like, let's do like a floating holiday where if you have something that you celebrate, but it's not, like, nationally recognized Yeah. Like, you can take your PTO tickets
Speaker 2:of this. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And even, like, one of the things that Tim had brought up one day was he was like, what if we have a bunch of, like, like, floaties and, like, play stuff and, like, inflatables and stuff that people can, like, rent from the company or, like, you know, like, take, at a certain Okay. You know, take off certain times so that whenever they wanna have parties for their kids, they don't have to go and rent all this equipment. We just have
Speaker 2:it and they just check it out. That's great.
Speaker 1:And, like, little things like that where it's like, dang. I hadn't thought of that one.
Speaker 2:That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot
Speaker 1:of sense. It shows
Speaker 2:you also that you care. You're thinking deeper. I'm thinking deeper.
Speaker 1:And understanding that work life balance looks like so much more than a pizza party once a quarter. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1:Less bit deeper. Truly. And even just going beyond, like, because here's the thing too, we're a family owned company. Right? Like, we don't have a bajillion $1,000,000 and a huge operating, operating budget to be able to pay everybody what we would love to pay them.
Speaker 1:Right. But how do you pay them in this gonna sound cheesy, but in heart and showing people that you do want them to understand that you know that there are needs there. Like, another thing, Tim was talking about buying buying a cow. And he was like, what if, you know, we just, butcher a cow and we, like
Speaker 3:You split the meat.
Speaker 1:And and, yeah, we just split the
Speaker 2:meat and, like, allowed our employees to, you
Speaker 1:know, with rising cost of living and with rising cost of groceries, how do we even look at that aspect of what our employees are going through? And I'm like, dang. Like, this man has sat up late at night and thought
Speaker 2:That's like creative thinking, though. That's like creative thinking.
Speaker 1:That's like
Speaker 3:creative thinking. That's like
Speaker 1:creative thinking is like, that's what goes beyond, you know, again, we have a quarterly Visa part. It it's what goes beyond that because you're really taking the time to understand the current needs of people living day to day life True. And seeing how you can combat that and create, again, work life balance, but in these
Speaker 2:In a different time. I mean, I feel like I feel like the pandemic Mhmm. Catapulted us Mhmm. Future to the future, like, exponentially. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I know it did for me personally. I told you, like, I was not peopling. You know? I'm peopling again. And Yeah.
Speaker 2:I had that moment, which is really weird because I'm very extroverted, and I'm, like,
Speaker 1:became a
Speaker 2:different person. Yeah. But I think the pandemic did something more than that for companies. It made us really realize, like, okay. We can do things beyond these walls.
Speaker 2:Right? We don't have to be in front of our computer. We have our phones,
Speaker 1:which are
Speaker 2:our computers in our hands. We can be away still enjoying the things, but also still working. And I think that that's also another creative way that, you know, I've seen in my 25 years. Because it used to be you had to be at that desk. You did not move.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Didn't take your hour lunch. You took 45 minute lunch. You just you just didn't do those things. Right?
Speaker 2:And now it's like you have a little bit more of that leeway, and I think that's pretty
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Pretty cool.
Speaker 1:I was gonna ask you in kind of entering a new role so recently, what are some of the ways that you specifically what kind of advice would you give to people that are negotiating upfront, that have a little bit more flexible more needs of flexibility?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think it's about just being that honest. When the when they ask you the question of, like, what are your needs? What is this? Even if they don't ask you that question in the interview, make sure you're bringing it up.
Speaker 2:Make sure you're having it in those original conversations. Because after you've been hired to bring it up, it's not really the
Speaker 1:best time
Speaker 2:to have the conversation. And as I, you know, more matured in this in this job scenario, it's always been as the past, 2 positions I've taken, it has been, 1st and foremost, like, are you flexible? Can we work to this out? Because if the answer is no, then the job has to be no. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I mean that with everything in me. Like, if that's a no that you can't see me where I'm at, then we have to move forward. So we can't move forward. We have to, you know As
Speaker 1:an applicant, I think that something we don't think hard enough about is what are my hard stops? Like going into this interview when I hear blank, what are my red flags, hard stops? Like, what are the things that I what are my non negotiables? Yeah. And when you're putting together, you know, your answers to your interview questions and your questions back to the interviewee, I want you to also add to that.
Speaker 1:What are my nonnegotiables in terms of my credit?
Speaker 2:Has to be that nonnegotiable. Do you not waiver on that? Yes. Because you waiver on it, and they they'll see that way that wavering. Right?
Speaker 2:Yes. And they see the kind of the weakness. Do not waiver on it if that's what you are truly that you're nonnegotiable.
Speaker 1:That's it. It needs to stay that way.
Speaker 2:Stays that way. Because And I will tell you, they will see that more as a strength. Yes. I have not had an employer tell me that that's a weakness. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And my executive coaching stuff I've done on the side as well, I've never
Speaker 3:Mhmm. Seen that
Speaker 2:as a weakness at all. It's always been truly this is this is a person who knows what they want. Yeah. They're gonna have to forget that, which means they're gonna
Speaker 3:do the same thing in their job.
Speaker 2:Boom. 100%. Pretty much pretty much you sell the you know, you sell them on that quickly. Yeah. So it's about really going after and and speaking your mind and your heart.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Don't don't don't give them the answers you think that they want to hear. Right? Oh my god. It's always about what the truth the truth is.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Do not give me as if I'm giving you an interview, do not give me an answer you think that I wanna hear because I will call you out on it.
Speaker 1:And even if not, here's the thing too. Here's the issue with doing that is, how are you guys both gonna get what you need out of this working relationship? Should you not start on this even plane? If you're in a position where you're like, look. I just need to I just need a job.
Speaker 1:Right? I just need to start. Okay. But, also, like, wouldn't you rather start one place where the soup is not too cold and the soup is not too hot than to start in 3 different soup palaces and have to begin the process all over again every single time. Like, no, Goldilocks.
Speaker 1:Take a seat.
Speaker 2:Calm down. Calm down. No. I may be too, with that being said, I think that that is so true just to say, if you need that job that badly, it's okay to say that in the interview, like, I need this job for x y z reasons. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because me, as an employer, I'm gonna say, okay. This person's got got some passion, got some drive, got some different things going on that's gonna cause them to be that more of that loyal employee
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Versus somebody who's not gonna tell me that. Yeah. Upfront, honest. I'm all about being honest. You just tell me upfront what your needs are Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we can meet together.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:You don't tell me what your needs are
Speaker 1:Then I'll have a call.
Speaker 2:I can't meet you there.
Speaker 1:I can't meet you there 100%. Yeah. In the end, it comes down to if someone does not know, know, how could they ever how could you ever hope for them to be in a space where they can negotiate with you or work something out with you or like, this is really, really one of the biggest things I think people don't understand about the application process or even starting a new job is, like, how are you gonna go into it being dishonest, but then expect certain things from a company? They don't even know what they're getting out of you or what you need from them. That's true.
Speaker 1:And you have to you have to be able to to bring more than that. And also, I would like to recommend this book. Go for the no. Yes is the destination.
Speaker 2:I would agree. And that's a great book.
Speaker 3:Did you
Speaker 1:read that one?
Speaker 2:I did. I did.
Speaker 1:That is such a good book because let me tell you, when I was when you're up when you're a hyped up person. Right? Feel like we both have this personality Yeah. Yeah. Where you're constantly going after yes, going after yes, going after yes.
Speaker 1:You want yes.
Speaker 2:You want yes.
Speaker 1:It's a positive word. It's a beautiful word. We love that word. But you know what's prettier? No.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh. Because no will redirect you to the space you need to be in. Correct. Not the space that you're getting getting out of dishonesty, maybe. And the noes lead you to the yes.
Speaker 1:Yes. Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2:Like, people are always like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:I gotta reach out.
Speaker 2:Did I get the no? I got the okay. Get it out of the way. Get the next one going because you're gonna be closer to that yes. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:I don't I'm not afraid of rejection. Mhmm. In my side hustle, the apothecary, which is my candles. Mhmm. I get rejected often.
Speaker 2:You know? People like, oh, no. I got this. I got too many of this. I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2:Move on to the next one. Boom. My husband's always like, how can you take that? And I'm like, because I'm wrong, closer to my next yes. I'm like, not that big of a deal.
Speaker 1:I would rather that than you, for 3 months, string me along and tell me that you're gonna buy my candle and you don't buy my candle.
Speaker 3:It's the
Speaker 2:other thing too with, you know, the godfather. He wants to move to the godfather. He says, it's not personal. It's business. I mean, it's the truth.
Speaker 2:It's not personal. It's business. Move on. And that needs to be that way Yes. Really.
Speaker 2:But it should still have the personal stuff to it. Mhmm. But that no is not a personal no. It's just a, hey.
Speaker 1:This is not
Speaker 2:a personal no. It's just a, hey. This is not a
Speaker 1:Also, I like to have a quick moment for the name. When did that come for you? When did that come to you, miss Apothecary? Apothecary at 2 o'clock
Speaker 2:in the morning. I was like, my last name's Carrie. So I was like, let's do the apothecary and it just kinda blended.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Yeah. And how long have you had your business now?
Speaker 2:Actually, a little over a year.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. Congratulations.
Speaker 2:I've been making candles there for 20, but I've had it just about all over a year.
Speaker 1:And now you're doing markets and going out and now you're having to market yourself. Like, you're running your
Speaker 2:own business. Yeah. It's just me.
Speaker 1:How do you think that that has, affected the way that you kind of show up at work? Right? And the way that you, you are now handling all these either rejections or successes in all this different space. Yeah. How do you apply that back to your work at Scioto?
Speaker 2:That's a great question. You know, really, business is business. Right? It's all the same, whether it be candles, property management, Thompson Restoration Building stuff, whatever. I get more successes than I do knows, which is good, because that definitely keeps me pumped up.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because it can it can be really defeating. But I think at this point in
Speaker 3:my
Speaker 2:life, it drives me. It makes me more excited for that yes. Yeah. Just like with Scioto, I get more excited to have a a very happy provider, very happy tenant, regardless if I've just spent $500 to just do whatever. If I've just spent $500, check, check, I've just won.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because then now that person realizes, hey. You've got this. Right? Now with my business, my realizes, hey.
Speaker 2:You've got this. Right? Now with my business, my candle stuff, I mean, I've spent a $500 on my
Speaker 3:side thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It it comes out of my pocket. That's up. Right.
Speaker 3:It comes out
Speaker 2:of my pocket.
Speaker 3:But I
Speaker 2:do truly think of
Speaker 1:our Scioto
Speaker 3:properties as my own.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And I think thinking like a business owner,
Speaker 3:helps me
Speaker 2:perform my job that much better. Right? We are not just the open checkbook. Right.
Speaker 3:I
Speaker 2:think a lot of people think that, you know, property management companies use open checkbook.
Speaker 1:Well, I think people look at, like, real estate company in general. Like like and everyone's just like, oh, you're making all this money. That's how people will look at restoration sometimes, and they're like, well, you know, since you're insurance and you're making all this money, I'm like, name one other industry. Name it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Name one other industry someone else is naming your prices. Okay? I don't even get to tell you how much I would like to charge for this.
Speaker 2:Right. That's very true.
Speaker 1:Very true.
Speaker 2:Like, we just had a meeting this morning, and, you know, I was like, k. You've got this beautiful little package here, but what about the operational cost of this? Right? And it's just about thinking things differently and and thinking from my on that book, business owner, yeah, side of things. So Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I really, really, I love to see someone that's kind of also balancing their, you know, full time career that they've had for this long and then also getting into this entrepreneurial side of things. I kind of for a long time, I've always had, like, multiple hats. Right? And, like, switching between the hats is always a mission. It's always a moment.
Speaker 1:But in the end, you kinda start to realize, like, you are able to do all the things you want to do.
Speaker 2:Do you have to have the drive?
Speaker 1:You have to have the drive. People will be like, oh my gosh. How are you making so much time to do all this? And I'm like, because I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It doesn't feel like it's smooth. Yeah. And I think that's so true. Right?
Speaker 2:It's you have to have the drive. You have to have the passion to whatever you're doing, whether it's your full time gig, your side gig, your Yeah. Kids thing, whatever. If you're not gonna have the drive, you don't have the passion, you're not gonna wanna do it. And it's gonna totally reflect.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:When I'm doing my work, you know, I'm in my work. When I'm doing my candle stuff, I'm doing my candle stuff. And, you know, it's it's truly that drive though. In my entrepreneurial side, my mom's told me since I was little, I was always making things and mixing things and doing the things. So for me, it just kinda goes hand in hand.
Speaker 2:It's just that other side of me Yeah. That I get to be that creative, but I'm not. I can't paint. I cannot draw.
Speaker 1:Right. I am
Speaker 2:not Bob Ross, although I wish I was. Maybe my next life, I'll do that. But, I get to be creative on that side of that, and I guess to kinda fulfill that side.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And so it makes me, I feel, like, more rounded in in my career. Yeah. So
Speaker 1:Well and even, like, if you're in a more analytical person, like, I've even found with, with people that are a little bit more analytical, right, and kind of, use their, like, data and their spreadsheets, and that's and they really dive in. Like, that's you honing in on your creativity too. Right? Like, you're able to sit here and dissect this data that a lot of people really wouldn't be getting into and turn it into more manageable data. Someone that's really good at this, Casey Calhoun on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh my gosh. I love his LinkedIn because I'm not very, I'm I'm not your typical numbers girl. Like, I'm I'm the I'm the people girl. And when I get on Casey's LinkedIn, I'm like, man, he is able to take this data and it's from a market and I don't even know where.
Speaker 1:And he puts it out on the spreadsheet, and then he turns it into, like, a football analogy or something. And, like, that is the definition of when you get creative with something you love, even if you are a more data driven person, that's how you continue to turn things into, into something that can make you feel more connected to your job Uh-huh. And more connected to the things that you're doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Just more relevant. And my Yeah. So that people understand and they you're not, like, molking at you. Like, what are you speaking?
Speaker 1:And there's something to be said for conductors. Right? Like Mhmm. I really, really find it such an important role for the people in our society that, like, have this super knowledge in this area and know that there's a need for that knowledge to be passed down. But they can act as that conductor of, like, let me translate this for you real quick.
Speaker 1:Let me break it down for you real quick. Mhmm. And you don't have that a lot of times, especially in the workplace, especially as a woman, especially when you're asking questions that women are not traditionally asking. So if you can be a conductor
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And you can be a person that's not gonna make someone feel bad or minimize their, their other Their worth. Strengths and their worth for just simply wanting to know something, that's also advocacy. That's also allyship. That is also carrying on the the ability for someone to be able to grow.
Speaker 2:Very true. Very true. And I think too, you know, as you know, being in a leadership role Mhmm. It's really important. I I have it I call it my 3 f's, my firm, fairness, and flexibility.
Speaker 2:And it goes back into that whole life balance, but you still need to be firm because you need to be able to say, hey. Listen here. I can make a decision. This fair side is, like, okay. I can see your side.
Speaker 2:And the flexibility is, like, okay. How can we work together? Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I
Speaker 2:think that's so true. And I think women, we've had kind of like this we've had to say firm.
Speaker 1:Yes. We
Speaker 2:can't have the fair and flexible. It can only be firm.
Speaker 1:Right. At least how it
Speaker 2:was when I was growing up. I mean, the devil wears Prada, Miranda Priestley.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That was true. That was firm, baby. And that's who I have the respect. And and she was up there.
Speaker 2:That's who had the respect. But I feel like having that firm, fair flexibility, kind of, in your whole day to day Mhmm. I feel like that's through the new way, of getting that respect. Yeah. You know, we've had we've had issues, and and, unfortunately, we've talked about this, with the male dominated industry.
Speaker 2:We've had situations where we've been disrespected. And even, you know, so much as having a man put his hand on my face and tell me to stop talking because he knew what he was gonna say. Excuse me. I'm here. We're having the conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But that's also too where that's not everybody. Right.
Speaker 3:It's
Speaker 2:not it's not every, you know, every every male done in the industry, you're not gonna always have that. Right. You do have a few, but it's important for women like us to speak up, to be be heard, be seen. And so I'm so glad we have this podcast for that purposeful moment.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Thank
Speaker 1:you so much. I really one of the things, like, I loved when you said your 3 f's for fair and flexible because I think that those are the things, like, those are the stools by which that those are the legs on the stool Mhmm. By which we can really, really build something that is more equitable. And I really love that you brought flexibility into it because I think a lot of times when we talk about strength and we talk about, like, this is this is how we're gonna get places, We talk about it, like, you have to be stiff. Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:The strongest thing, I think, is when you have that give to you, it's why we're getting gel nails and not acrylics anymore. Okay? Exactly. Because it has that flexibility. Right?
Speaker 1:Like, it's a it's stronger because it's willing to bend. It's stronger because it's willing to to Not be broken. Not be broken.
Speaker 2:And be able to be flexible.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. 100%. And I think that's even, like, when we are talking about shattering the glass ceiling. Again, we have to do that by understanding what's going on around us, dissecting and really, really making it a point to be, like, you know, it takes flexibility from both sides. It takes understanding.
Speaker 1:It takes firmness because you have to stay on your ground. That's the other thing. Absolutely. Flexibility does not mean, you know, giving up your stance. Dig those heels into the ground now.
Speaker 2:It also can also mean that you think that you let the other person think that they've actually won over on you, but you you actually have such a thought. Right? Is that reverse thinking?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I love doing that. Mhmm. We call it pull the pendulum. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, you know, that flexibility can also be, like, okay. This person has come at you with this.
Speaker 1:Let me give you some rope.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go ahead and change this a little bit. I'm like, oh, okay. But that compromise. And I think compromise is a word that we do not use enough. Yes.
Speaker 2:Even just conversations and our leadership conversations. Right? Compromise has to be there. You have to be able to see, that that other side. You have to go to meet them in that middle, which is why I like flexibility just because it is a little bit more of a fun word.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But I
Speaker 2:feel like compromising is to also come back. Right? Yeah. Just because it does have to have that happy medium between the 2.
Speaker 1:I think with the landscape that we have been dealing with for a bit now, people are not willing to hear each other out. No. No matter where they kinda stand on things, people are not willing to just kind of take a moment and really feel like, okay. Let me let me just listen for a minute. Let me take those 3 seconds, like you said, and really just take a second, see what's going on.
Speaker 1:See if I
Speaker 3:can understand because perspective is everything. Right? Let me
Speaker 1:see if I can perspective is everything. Right? Let me see if I can switch my perspective for a moment. And you know what? If it's absolute horsedoo doo and it means 9, then give them some rope.
Speaker 1:See where they're going with it and pull that switch. I think that's true.
Speaker 2:I think, you know, I don't know when this switched in the industry.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:I'm not being able to talk to each other like adults. Oh my gosh. I don't know when that's happened.
Speaker 1:When it The passive aggressiveness.
Speaker 2:It's crazy.
Speaker 1:The let's not email for 6 weeks when we've
Speaker 2:had an issue. Right. So, like, I don't understand where that changed or where that what what happened with that. I am thankful that I'm seeing it come back. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. And to have these adult conversations because we are human. Yeah. We have to live and breathe in our industry, whatever we're doing
Speaker 3:Right. On a
Speaker 2:day to day basis. But to be able to have that conversation and to be heard Yeah. Is valuable. We are talking about this, you know, at Scioto. If you look at me, I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2:You were the expert in this. We don't know this. You're the expert. And I'm like, I'm not sure
Speaker 3:I am. I'm not
Speaker 2:sure I am. You know what? Yes. I sure am.
Speaker 1:I was waiting for someone to tell me.
Speaker 3:I was
Speaker 2:waiting for someone to
Speaker 3:tell me.
Speaker 2:So I've known this for the past 20 years. Years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's powerful. Right? Yeah. And that empowerment, I think is what really we're we're missing, we're gaining what we're missing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm hoping that these podcasts, these conversations ignite that. Yeah. We ignite that in people. That would be, for me, you know, just encouraging to hear that these conversations are happening and that women can have a voice in a men's world. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But also too, it's important for us women to listen to men. We've been doing a lot of that for the past years, but it's still important to us to have those conversations. Right?
Speaker 1:It's a 2 shins. Do end it. It should be do end it.
Speaker 2:It really should not let me be honest. There should not be this divide. It should just be you're in the conversation because you're in the conversation. You're in the room because you bring value. Nothing to do with whatever you are wearing, how you're looking, anything like that.
Speaker 2:It's just it should just be the conversation, and and and and that should be the value.
Speaker 1:Because it's work. Right? In the end, that's something I think we all really, really need to understand is that, like, this is work. And regardless of whether you agree with someone or not or you agree with the way someone, lives their life if it's not harming you or not. Right.
Speaker 1:At the in the end, it's really about keeping that professionalism of, like, let me not stick my hand
Speaker 2:in this person's face. Wait. Stop stop talking. Right. And I think too, I think, you know, having these conversations and being just open, I think is is just so key for us to move forward.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And I just you know, I think just being able to to talk, get our thoughts out there, then move forward. Yeah. And then also to being able to know that women do have a voice.
Speaker 3:Yeah. We can contribute. We are strong. We are
Speaker 2:not just this, you know, are not just this, you know We're not just the assistant.
Speaker 3:Little mouths
Speaker 2:or whatever. We will speak up. And I think that
Speaker 1:that's what's really Yeah. Our message is
Speaker 2:to get out there. Well, I appreciate you
Speaker 1:being a part of this dialogue because you're someone that I have really, really, just appreciated your perspective on a lot of things. I watched you on the Iron Panel not too long ago, and I just really hope that these conversations do continue to live outside of this podcast. And if this is your first time joining, thank you so much for joining us on today's episode. If you are coming back, I hope I see you again
Speaker 2:next time.
Speaker 1:But thank you so much, Anne.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you. And I appreciate you. Thank you for joining us with this episode of Just Between Us Girls. Like and subscribe. I keep forgetting to say that, but please like and subscribe.
Speaker 1:And don't let this conversation die here. Please take this into your boardrooms, into your conference rooms, take this conversation everywhere you go so that we can continue to build a more equitable workplace and break the glass ceiling. Absolutely. Thank
Speaker 2:you. Alright. Alright. Here's all I can do.
Speaker 1:Oh my god. Thank you. Yeah. This is awesome. Woo hoo.
Speaker 1:Woo hoo. Okay.