The Writing Glitch: Hack Dysgraphia No Pencil Required

Today's guest is no stranger to the world of dyslexia. Russ Loyd has taken his love of technology and dyslexia and merged them into a website that curates all documents about dyslexia.

Inside the episode, Russ and Cheri discuss
  1. Discussion on the inception and importance of a digital platform for consolidating neurodiversity resources.
  2. Russ's personal journey with dyslexia and his involvement with Providence Charter School.
  3. The role of technology in dyslexia remediation.
  4. Insights into how artificial intelligence (AI) can assist people with dyslexia.
  5. Celebrating dyslexic celebrities and their accomplishments.
  6. The U.S. federal law on dyslexia education for K-12 teachers.
Key Points and Timestamps:
  • [00:00] Introduction of the episode and guest.
  • [02:14] About 'Just Like': Consolidating the web for neurodiversity information.
  • [04:30] Russ's personal connection to dyslexia.
  • [07:20] The importance of vetting technological tools for neurodiversity.
  • [09:05] Episode sponsor: Dr. Educational Consulting Center.
  • [11:12] How AI is shaping the future of dyslexia remediation.
  • [13:50] A glimpse into 'Just Like's' AI-curated content.
  • [16:40] Celebrating dyslexic celebrities and breaking stereotypes.
  • [18:50] U.S. federal law on dyslexia education.
  • [20:35] The importance of structured literacy programs across all subjects.
  • [22:10] Emphasizing the achievements of dyslexics and their positive impact.
  • [24:40] Conclusion and a look into the future of dyslexia remediation.
Links & Resources:
Quotable Moments:
  • "Only you can be you, so let's embrace that and show young learners that they can overcome."
  • "AI will change everything or change the life of education."
  • "Dyslexia touches everything... It's amazing how many successful people have transcended their dyslexia to achieve."
Episode Closing:
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Host
Cheri Dotterer
Cheri is an international speaker, author, and consultant who helps teachers, therapists, and parents build clarity, community, and competency around the barriers to writing success. Her book, Handwriting Brain-Body DisConnect, has remained in the Top 100 on Amazon since publication in Handwriting Reference and Learning Disabilities. It was also a Top 10 Finalist in the Author Academy Awards in 2019. In addition, she was nominated the USA 2022 Dysgraphia Expert of the Year by Global Health and Pharma Magazine. She has worked in many concentration areas as an occupational therapist for 30 years. However, it wasn't until starting her private practice that she found her passion for helping others understand this disability. In addition, she has been an adjunct instructor at several universities. She lives with her husband of 32 years. They have two adult children. Her heroes are Evelyn Yerger, her grandmother, and Esther, Queen of Susa. Together, we can grow 110 million leaders and hack dysgraphia by building skills, applying knowledge, and transcending futures.
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Russ Loyd
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Cheri Dotterer: Good morning,
good afternoon and good evening,

depending on where you listen to
the podcast. I'm Cheri Dotterer.

I'm an occupational therapist
and dysgraphia expert. This is

the home of the writing glitch,
hacking dysgraphia. No pencil

required. In this episode, I am
talking to Russell Loyd. He is

the technologist behind the
dyslexia campus. It's an app to

help students who are having
reading and writing challenges.

Welcome to the podcast rest. How
are you really?

Russ Loyd: I really am
fantastic. I will never

complain.

Cheri Dotterer: Fabulous. So, first of all, what is dyslexia

campus? And then number two, how
did you get involved?

Russ Loyd: So, just like, take
campus as a two-headed monster,

if you will, first. The first
the head is, and the first part

that will go public will be an
online news magazine that sort

of consolidates the web into a
single location for all

information on neurodiversity,
particularly dyslexia. In our

case, which is where we focus, and I say we. I am a

technologist for the Providence
charter school that is a charter

school in Pittsburgh, and
Western Pennsylvania that

specializes in dyslexia
remediation. And I got involved.

with that, around 2015 they
launched, and since then, we've

been, they've been having
hundreds of children through the

school is doing fantastic work, and I
support them. And in technology

role. I am a parent to a person with dyslexia. I am a

dyslexic. So it was, as soon as
I sort of realized what it was

on, on the diagnosis of my, my
the oldest child that I was like,

wow. And that sounds exactly
like me. So, I became involved.

with the school. And I came up
with this idea. For the second

part of just like the campus to
sort of with the school, they

have an expertise in all things
dyslexia or remediation, and we

employ a lot of technology. And
that role in technology plays a

significant role. And just like
the and dysgraphia and all

neurodiverse remediation or
assistance, right? So there's a

a lot of apps out there that claim
to do certain things, and some

do certain things better than
others. And there's just kind of

a lot to digest. And as a parent
of a newly diagnosed dyslexic or

just a person with the scrapping
of it, there's a lot to digest.

So, I wanted to make it easy to
find the first thing, right, so.

The second part is I
wanted to vet all these APs and

technology to choose the
best ones. And so that's what

we're doing, it has shifted a
little bit in that we are going

to have a service that offers
all of those under one umbrella.

But we're working with vendors
and trying to finalize that. So

that's the second part. The
second part would be a layer.

on top of your device, whatever
device that may be a Chromebook

or an iPad, with which these
applications would just sort of

be populated for you would be
the best ones would be

determined and vetted, and
subscribed to, and it would be

make it easy to have a
a whole toolbox of things that are

helpful for you.

Cheri Dotterer: Before I ask you
any more questions, and I've got

a couple of them brewing in my
brain. I want to stop a

minute and thank Dr educational
consulting center educational

consulting sponsored today's
episode, we offer the dysgraphia

certification course. This
course builds dysgraphia.

awareness and provides practical
intervention strategies for

lesson planning, using
development to design your

lessons. Who should take this
course? Well, it really was

designed for that general
education teacher. But I've also.

certified occupational
therapists, physical therapists,

speech therapist, dyslexia,
teachers and special ed

teachers. I also have a couple of
parents in there they are I have

I've actually been benefiting from
the material as well. So if

If you're a parent, please consider
signing up as well. To learn

more about how to get started,
you want to go to cheri

dotterer.com, and page down the
homepage, and you'll find more

information there. But I also
offer a monthly introduction to

dysgraphia and how it impacts
our service delivery webinar.

And that is held the second
Wednesday of the month. So look

for information on that on the
homepage as well. So, when you

started talking brass, one of
the things that came to my mind

is it's almost like the GPT, of
dyslexia.

Russ Loyd: I appreciate that
that's a, that's a very

complimentary analogy, but not
really, there's so much

information out there. And it's,
it's hard to find, and again,

goes back to having a new
diagnose student or young

person, as a parent, you're just
sort of overwhelmed, you know,

trying to find all the
information to try to what's

best for your child and the
student. And so we wanted to

make it easy to find all that
stuff. GPT is more of a, it's

something you just
interact with. You know, it's

it's a very different animal,
but yet is a very important

tool. Right? So we cover that as
a topic. That's one of our

focuses, like, where is AI going
to play a role in helping people

with dyslexia and dysgraphia. So

Cheri Dotterer: I could tell you
this has helped me; it has

I use it to help generate
content for social media, I use

It generates the titles
for the episodes of the podcast,

I'm so I'm utilizing it,
and asking it to help me improve

things that I've already
written. But I am going to do

something that I haven't done
here on the podcast. And one of

the things that Russ and I
talked about was to put this on

YouTube. So, if you guys want to
see this episode and see the

video version, we're going to
try something new today. For

those of you who are listening to
this episode, there are going to

be a lot of visuals that's
involved because I wanted to

make sure that you can share
and see some of the technology

that's going on. So we have this
girl over here embracing.

dyslexia, the journey of an
affiliate marketer. So somebody

wrote that for you, or not,
sorry, these are these are all

cremation.

Russ Loyd: Right? So I actually
we're using AI a little bit,

too. We're just
compiling all articles,

internationally, that is
dislikes related. And so we are

combing through hundreds of
articles a day to find the best

ones, right, and the most
pertinent ones, and compiling

them all here, you know, and
giving proper credit to authors

and links to those
sources. But making it easy to

find all things disliked in one
location. And particularly I

spend a lot of time on
celebrities, we're finding that

it has. In the past, there's
there's a lot of famous.

Dyslexics right entrepreneurs,
and they're generally the ones

that are generally cited are
white males. And so we're

spending a good amount of energy
in making sure that we're

finding dyslexic celebrities
that are of all races and genders

and highlighting them right.
Salma Hayek was one I found

recently. So, you know, those
are, there are a lot of

dislikes.

Cheri Dotterer: Right here. It
was published here on July 13.

Inside the campus.

Russ Loyd: Yeah. So there we
were, we're making just like the

Hall of Fame. So that, you know,
we can compile all these.

people that I've come across.
And just so that young person

can see how this is not
necessarily a, you know,

disability, as it is sometimes
referred to, is a

superpower in a lot of ways. You
know, there are several articles.

about percentages of
millionaires and a percentage of

those millionaires who have dyslexia. It's like 30%, you.

know, like, there is a super
drive and entrepreneurship with

dyslexic persons, and
neurodiversity as a whole,

right? It's just we're trying to
make sure that we don't use that

disability word too much, and
change that and shift that to

showcase the superpower. That
being you is, you know, only.

only you can be you, so let's
embrace that and show

these young learners
that they can overcome, you

know, they needed a
a different set of instruction

Cheri Dotterer: to get better.
Yes, absolutely. Most dyslexic

dysgraphic and just calculi
students are gifted with a

disability.

Russ Loyd: Yes. That's part of
what we're trying to showcase.

the site. Bye. Just buy
articles. And I think we have

some major sections, like
celebrity technology, business

business tends to; there's a big
push to in marketing as a whole

to target and reach neurodiverse
adults and children. So we

focus on that education,
celebrities and science and

research.

Cheri Dotterer: Yeah, I'm
pausing right here in the

the technology section of there. And, like, I'm looking at the

articles in front of me that are
up as the latest articles, one

was published on June 8, it's
about AI, the one that was

published on May 30, it's about
AI. And the one that was

published May 23, speak for me,
that's another ai, ai is going

to change the life of a
dyslexic.

Russ Loyd: Yeah, it will change
everything or change the life of

education, really, but as most
good as a lot of good things

have happened in our for, for
humanity as a whole, it started

out as an attempt to help
persons with a disability,

right, you know, audiobooks,
for example, you know, my mom

was in that field for 30-plus
years. And so I've watched a

little of that, and she
compliments on that. But, but

this is another one where AI
didn't necessarily, you know, go

for that, but it is going to
have a major impact very fast.

And I hope that you know,
educators and parents will

embrace that, and encourage
their students and families to

learn how to prompt and
how to get GPT and AI to

do what they are requesting.

Cheri Dotterer: Yes. And then
the next section down here is

about education. Some of the
stuff that's coming up today is

something is going on in
San Antonio, Texas, about

dyslexia. Incidentally, that's
where I just came from. I just

came from the region 10, which
is up in Dallas, Fort Worth,

they just had an institute to
support dyslexia. It's happening

all over the country. Do you
know why it's happening all over

the country? Russ?

Russ Loyd: I can give a couple
of reasons. But I'd like to hear.

yours.

Cheri Dotterer: Okay, there is a
federal law that is coming down

that says that it has passed
that says that all K to 12.

Teachers need some education in
dyslexia. So they're really.

trying to lay it out a
a little bit, where they're really

working on learning support
teachers and stuff. I know, in

my area, they are trying to
educate all K to eight teachers,

on at least to have the
introduction course. So

regardless of whether you're
learning support, regular ed,

music teacher, art teacher, they
want everybody to understand the

the foundation of literacy so that
we can. They can all be talking.

the same language as far as
structured literacy goes.

Russ Loyd: That is spot on. That's
amazing. I love to hear that the

I didn't necessarily know that
I've heard some of that. I think

I spend a lot of time on the
technology side. So I don't get

into that. The world of
Washington, DC, in particular. I

do see a lot of states. And I
think that makes a lot of sense to

why. For me, the people that I
work with at the school, the

administration, you know,
they've always taken the stance

that I agree that you know what
works for those kids. Let's say

it's Orton Gillingham, or if
it's Wilson or some other type

of particular instruction
methods. Those are two of several.

that, but they all work for
everyone. Right. And so I think

what I hear you saying is that
the federal government is asking

education as a whole to get
better at being able to see and

unofficially diagnosed or is
that what you're trying to say?

Like, not doing anything
about it? Because that's

generally been a problem.

Cheri Dotterer: Yeah, they want
all teachers to just be

able to understand
neurodiversity a little bit. So

understanding what the structure
the literacy program is so that you

can go, oh, so even if you're a
math teacher, you might get this

requirement coming down the
pike. And it's amazing because

there's so much language that's
associated with science and math

and social studies, and not
always necessarily do we think

the foundation of Reading to be
associated with that. I'm kind

of stuck here in the celebrity
section. And Chris Kim says that

my biggest strength is my
business and my dyslexia, Dean

and Grace, Grace Osseo. I can
never pronounce his name. He's

He's, uh, if anybody knows
anything about business, he's a

big business guy. He's one of
Tony Robbins, guys. We have

somebody from NCIS, Alex Tarrant,
Sean Connery. We'll look

at this. What is this Nobel
Prize winner? The inventor of

the lithium-ion battery?

Russ Loyd: Yeah, I mean, yeah,
dyslexia touches everything with

the lithium-ion battery. Right.
So it is. It's amazing. It

It is amazing how many
successful people and have

the fought battle fought through, but
have transcended, you know,

they're, they're just like the
to achieve, right, no matter

what. And that was before what
we have today, which is a lot.

more tools and a word to go
with it. You know, that's where

we've been for the last, it
it seems like ten years is like you

know, the federal government or
state government will use the

word just like that, you know,
if you go to a parent or you

try to get an IEP in a public
school, you find that difficulty

there. And you find resistance,
which is why the provenance charter.

school came to be right from the
founder, and a lot of other

schools in different states in
different cities. That and in

comparison with most of those
that are private and expensive. So

it's a big change. What am I
trying to say the last ten years,

we've been developing the idea
of dyslexia, right? And it seems

within the last couple of years,
that it has really

neurodiversity as a whole, as
has made a big jump and

acceptance and a lot more
resources and research, and

famous people acknowledging
their own does that, you know,

disabilities have come up.
That's what I've seen. And so

it's great, it's a great time to
be involved in it because it's

It's changing fast. And
especially with AI.

Cheri Dotterer: Yeah, I noticed
that is like the top three medical

articles that are on the site
right now, talk about rhythm,

regular rhythm, fast and slow
rhythms, and comparison and

functional head impulse test,
with bail pediatric balance.

But that has to do with
the rhythm of walking. It's

It was exciting to see the
connection with rhythm as an

advancement to linking to
dyslexia. Because rhythm really

is the core foundation of how we
process information if we don't

process in a rhythm. That's why
music is so addicting, because

it's in that rhythm state, and
It touches that subconscious

environment. And that brings it
to the conscious. So I'm, I'm

currently down at the very
bottom of the website. And it

says the dyslexia campus is an
online news magazine collecting

new and important articles,
research and news regarding

dyslexia, and neurodiversity.
And so there's a whole lot of

the stuff here that you can refer
to. And I'm going to page back.

up probably too fast for those
of you who are watching, but

just look at all the content of
information that is just here on

the front page. And then we have
all of this stuff here in the

menu to help expand it. I'm
going to click over here to

parent. So what you've done is
you've kind of in the back end,

you've set up what pages that
might be helpful to those

categories. Is that Is that what
I'm hearing?

Russ Loyd: Yeah, I mean, it's a
traditional newspaper type of

thing. You have, you know, your
local and state faction, you.

have your, your, you know, main
section, you have your sports

section, so we just have, we're
trying to classify it

into something helpful
for educators or parents. And

for I would argue now that it's
our it's a little bit more

tailored to parents and
educators, we do want to know of

come up with a little more of a
kid's version. That's a little

less wordy. I mean, this is
wordy. We are building the back.

end to accommodate, to text to
speech for the whole site. So

that will be coming soon. But we
want to have more of a kid.

friendly version that focuses on
the celebrities and some of the

tech tools that they may be able
to use themselves. Is a little

It's less wordy, but this is a new
site. So, it is wordy.

Cheri Dotterer: Got it. And I'm
on the resources page right now.

And if you look right here,
under newsletter, it says

subscribe to my newsletter so
that you can get more

information from dyslexia
campus. Fabulous. Look there,

here's an article on Chad's GPT
from May 23. But look at how old

that is already. I mean, when
you think about it, that is

old. Do you mind terribly
if I go back to dyslexia?

campus.org because that has
something exciting I

wanted to talk about. So, I'm
going to flip back to this site.

Russ Loyd: is, is one that's
under construction, that is

going to be our service that is
laying the apps and

extensions specifically for a
Chromebook, and then also for an

iPad that we have vetted as the
best of the best. And we're

going to attempt to collect them
into an umbrella service that

is easy to use, and we teach you
how to use them properly, and,

and help and assist. So

Cheri Dotterer: nice, I see that
this site is using the dyslexia

font, it has the disclaimer at
the top. I like that for the

reader. I am just going to put
this out there just so that.

everybody knows my stance on a
dyslexia font, it doesn't

translate well to writing. So, anytime that you're using a

dyslexia font, make sure that
you transpose it to another font

for the student to copy from. So, if they need to be copied, that.

you transpose it to another one,
my favorite. And this is

something from the technology
standpoint, as you're developing

this app, there's an app called
Lex and you must install it onto

the computer. You can install it
on Chromebooks, Macs on a

regular PCs, on iPads, on
Android, the fires and

everything. It is free to
download. But everything needs

to download at this at this
point in time, Lex, and is the

closest to the way we write. So
as we're sharing information,

I'm just letting you be aware of
that. So we have down here at

the bottom, we have a store. We
have founders, we have partners,

we have contact frequently asked
questions, and then the privacy

policy. And then they have the
links to where they are on

Instagram and Twitter, which is now
an X and YouTube. So I am going

to page back up to the top here.
Something else I saw was that.

you are creating this
and developing it to have a

student portal, a district
portal and an individual portal,

which is wonderful. I
I commend you. This

is amazing. I need to spend a
lot of time on this website.

to grasp all the information.
Before I close the share, is

Is there anything else that you
think that we should highlight

from this page?

Russ Loyd: Just that it's under
construction, and that it's

changing drastically? We ran into a

logistical, as we all do
everything is distilling it down

into its finest form. But we ran
into an obstacle, logistically.

So we turned our focus to get
the magazine is ready as a

marketing tool for the service
and go that way. So if you sign

up for the newsletter and
subscribe to the newsletter,

you'll be the first to know for
all that we have going, and yeah,

we'd love to have everybody
share and make people aware that

there is a place to find easily
information about dyslexia.

neurodiversity.

Cheri Dotterer: Fabulous. Now
you have said that a little bit.

about the provident school that
you are part of, can you talk a

a little bit more about maybe the
history of the school or a

a little bit more about the
school? What is it they?

provident, unique in the
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area?

Russ Loyd: Well, it's unique. As
As I said before, most schools, as

I understand, and my experience
are either private and

expensive, or it's homeschooled.
Right and the public, the public

schools or are in private
schools that are not focused on

that learning style. They're not
common. So when Curtis Kaufman

is our founder, and when he
started the school in 2015, I

think it remains one of the only
four charter schools and then

they Asian or were at that time,
there were three in Louisiana

and the first one outside of
Louisiana. So via charter

school to be not expensive,
right, and two, we were teaching,

Orton Gillingham. We are
teaching Wilson remediation

techniques to second through
eighth grade. Those are the

grades with which we go up to
white. And they have a reason.

for that, which I don't want to
speculate. But I think it has to

do with that's about the time
that you generally find out. Got

it, you know that that's when my
daughter found out when my

oldest when we found out for
her. But I don't know the answer.

for that specifically, but they
have a reason. We're the only ones.

school with a taekwondo. Back to
rhythm. Right, a taekwondo class

for all students. Yeah. And it's
amazing. We have a Sensei, and

he comes in there every day. All
the classes are like recess.

they go to they go to
taekwondo. So there's rhythm and

there's balance, and there's
tactile. And we're one to one,

we're even we were even two to
one. During COVID, who we had

one at school, and we have one at
home, we had a device. So we

started, we started children out
on second through second and

Third-graders on iPads are getting
used to technology a little bit.

And then, in fourth grade, we
moved into a Chromebook. And

it's off, and they have all the
tools they need right there

logged in to do whatever it is
they need to do. And yeah, and

teachers work hard. I commend
all teachers listening to this.

that, you know, thank you so
much for caring about these

kids. Because it's a hard job.
That's why I'm not a teacher; I do

not interact with children. But
I watched my colleagues. And I'm

blown away with how patient and
both patient and frustrating it

can be to be a teacher nowadays.
So a lot of comments everyone

listening, that is, in the
education.

Cheri Dotterer: How many
students are in your building,

Russ Loyd: we have a left 350
and one in our first building,

which is the main building's main
campus. And this year, 2324,

we'll open a second campus,
which is about an hour outside

of town that is going to service
that side is kind of more western

Pennsylvania, down toward Ohio
and West Virginia, corner of

Pennsylvania. And that is that
it is growing small. There's

probably 30 to 35 children
there. But if I remember.

correctly, we only had we
started in 2016 with two grades

with third and fourth grade.
Those were the first two that was

the first year. So we've
expanded and gradually built it.

up over the years to second and
through eighth grade. So

Cheri Dotterer: yeah, probably
about 400 total. Amazing. I've

learned a lot about dyslexia
campus, is there anything else

that you'd like to share?

Russ Loyd: I'm fascinated by all
that you're up to, and your

passion for dysgraphia. And
helping people understand. So

I'd say to you as well, thank
you for your passion and for

sharing.

Cheri Dotterer: Thank you. Thank
you. Thank you so much.

Remember, this podcast releases
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subscribe to both podcasts, the
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glitch Pocket Cast. And yeah,
we'll see you on the next.

episode. And remember, you were
put here for such a time as this.

post-production is with Sam C
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want to say thank you again to
Russ Lloyd for being here and

sharing the dyslexia campus.com
and dyslexia campus.org with you

today thanks Jerry