Jess Redden

***Due to a technical error this pod is a few weeks late. It was recorded over the June bank holiday BUT it is 100% worth the wait!***

Jess Redden is a Pharmacist, influencer, fitness enthusiast, and an online resource to her almost 80,000 followers. How does she fit it all in? Jess has been training at FFS for over 6 months and joins coaches Mike, Rudds, and Rory in an episode that dives into a wide variety of topics.

Mike makes a bold prediction for his Half Marathon….. YES, he is finaly doing it!
Rudds talks about adapting his training as his perspective on training has changed since becoming a father. Rory shares a story about the FFS in-house competitive animal that is Eric Cullinane and the joys of going for a run with Cully!

Jess gives us an insight into what drives her and how she manages her time with so many conflicting drains on her resources. The discussion dives into overcoming setbacks after school and her career journey to date how Jess handles the good, the bad, and the ugly of social media.

“How you fail?” is an imprtant topic and the conversation leans toward all of the learnings we can take from failures and how sometimes, failure is a good thing!

Jess expresses her desire to use both Pharmacy and her instagram to achove her why, “helping people”, and discusses the challenges of using social media as a vehicle to carry out her passion.

Enjoy!

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Mike South 0:02
More and more people talk about you. Like I'd say you get hundreds of questions when you put yourself out there as well. Like, how did that all start? Did you make that decision to, I suppose, put your life online.

Jess Redden 0:10
So basically it was when I was working in my first pharmacy, I wanted to be 1819, I had an Instagram page and I said, Well, I'd love to be like a healthcare adviser. So something like that on Instagram was back then, but there was nothing like that bringing it there. So I used to do these things called Top three. So I put up like top three products for dermatitis or for rosacea. And people seem to love that and I was getting more and more followers and the people were recommended to me. So it started with that and then it kind of grew into like skincare and fitness. Fitness was a big one, I would put my workouts up and it was the what people would say to me saying, Oh, that advice that has helped me so much and that kind of positivity. I just wanted to keep doing it. It was like it was infectious.

Rory McInerney 0:54
Hello, thanks for tuning into for fit sake podcast brought to you by FS Jim's Rory McInerney here joined as always by Mike So Mike, how you doing? I'm good. Thanks. And Rhodes care and Radhika again. Onwards. Yeah. Wonderful. And we're very special guests this morning, Jess red. And Jess. How are you doing? I'm feeling great this morning. Very good. Very good. Great to have you on early on a Saturday morning. You've kind of dragged us all in with your very busy schedule. Rod was given out this morning. He had to come in at six o'clock and get set up. And also how many of us on roads loves crocodile and stuff? That's your bad roads? Isn't it? Yeah. Especially especially now with the little alarm clock in the house. I don't know what the line is anymore. Yeah, sleeping to six o'clock is actually a good line. And the minutes are very good. So before we get into talking about chess, and everything, just got some great questions in fee and a lot of interesting. So our listeners want to hear, we'd like to talk about our kind of own training at the start. So Mike, have you done the half marathon? Yes. Or what's the story? No, we're doing it in 24 hours time. Okay, so this will probably have gone out after the half marathon. So you want to put a time on it for yourself just so we can look back in a week or two and call it a risky, but

Mike South 1:51
I'm gonna say 145

Rory McInerney 1:54
That's dropped by five minutes since we depart. Or

Mike South 1:59
everyone's saying that if I don't do it in less than 150. It's not worth coming back kind of volume. So I don't know. I've kind of timed that out and done the math on it last night. So let's say 145. Okay, and I'd be delighted with that.

Rory McInerney 2:11
Okay, best of luck, Mikey. wangi. rolls out and kind of cool, unusual, absolutely. Or train at the minute.

Kieran Ruddock 2:16
I'm just trying to kind of last while just trying to set myself challenge, do something every day. So like, half an hour's the number. So do half an hour every day. And all different things for me new train this morning. I did the total body session you did the tank top. So yeah. And we really obviously chatted about that ourselves in terms of obviously, with too little Babyz how you're kind of perspective on training and changes a little bit. And that's kind of the thing. And so I've done a couple of weeks, that's done half an hour plus, every day, some days, do something hard. Some days do something easy, but it kind of takes the pressure off if plans change a little bit. You have to, you know, at least you've banked a little bit more during the week,

Rory McInerney 2:55
listen to the body as well. Yeah. And Jess, what about you? How's your training Goldsmith?

Jess Redden 2:59
So I talked about three, three or four weeks off, which I haven't done in a really long time. But it's good. I feel like nobody needed that. And then now you're back in the gym with doing strength work. So focusing mainly on lower body. And because I feel like I've come on a lot in my upper body from these classes. So focusing on that, and then I like Rhodes's and you know two and a half an hour each day I might actually steal that.

Rory McInerney 3:21
Nice I've got an interesting one. So we went for a run with Kali this week right so everyone who knows you know, the Kali is bit of a freak show when it comes to running. I don't know. A lot of people aren't aware of this like some people are. You can follow Kali on Strava. So Eric command he could have a weird attack on blood or no, you should. So colleagues I run a lot this time last year maybe a remote is probably more than that. But it just seems like lockdown. So can I join lockdown colleague got bored kind of warm. I was saying it's been an obsessive dude once he gets into something he just like really goes for it. So I'm very competitive go ridiculously competitive. That is that's actually his main thing. He said in a recent meeting, like what's your main strength I am relentlessly competitive for some intense season. So I went for a run McCauley last time around with Cali was probably last year and we picked the bad route. Very hot day, blah, blah, didn't hydrate, I ended up having to get a taxi home and Callie left me so that was getting a lot of grief for that right. So this is a big milestone for me going back up, we'll call it so tried to do a 10k like four minute 20 pace down to stranden Sandymount to back right. So all good, good start. We're happy so Ron goes okay, kind of get close to the time they've just off. So we get back and I'm looking at stats afterwards. So sitting down, looking at my zones for the session, right so like, for like a 43 minute run or whatever 10% is wrong was in like a tempo pace which is like steady where you probably should spend mostly around 80% was like vo to max or I'm like very working on maximal aerobic capacity. And then the other 10% was anaerobic. So like I was out of breath for like four and a half minutes. So then Kali sends me his stat 40% in easy 55% in tempo and like just about 5% in vo two so like, Kali You're a terrible man.

I still feel sick even more three, four days later from it, but like, it's so good when you're like trying to train for something like Johnny with this Mikey and you find someone who can just humble you so quickly. It's not good to do it all the time. But a good reality check. So luckily my legs are still sore and my stomach is Consor everything is still sore, but thanks for your time on Thursday. Well, he earned the Rafi road when he came back. We remember he was in the kitchen. That's the FFS Bake Off Baker with a bake off did you give out some goodies there you're a good

combo got like the healthy and then also has that yeah, we're doing a bake off now with amongst the coaches for Yeah, can we pair up but members

Mike South 5:36
will be picking w a bit of a curveball, but I wouldn't I wouldn't see why not.

Rory McInerney 5:39
Well, we can buy stuff apparently. I think that's not good.

Kieran Ruddock 5:43
I think the members might be getting a bit of a short straw with like, obviously we've got a few strong offerings in our team but

Rory McInerney 5:50
and Kali and everyone else is very lazy.

Mike South 5:53
has set the bar very high anyway, we're

Rory McInerney 5:54
in a rough year old pretzels in a rocky road relevable Not good. Anyway, fitness podcast. Sorry. So Jess, right? We'd like so much to talk about. And I suppose one of the first things like to write your pharmacist, influencer training flat out or anything else in there that you're doing that you have time for not currently. Oh, get this morning. Sorry. podcast host also podcasters. Yeah. So like, how do you find the time

Jess Redden 6:20
I suppose I've always been someone that's really driven like after school, and then straight into college, and then kind of took a year or two as figuring out what I wanted to do. And I was working part time in a pharmacy and I just loved it. I loved the course. Books, it was more I didn't think I was able for it. I didn't have that competence. It was all pure chemistry and I'd never done chemistry in school. So I thought okay, maybe I'll try my hand at medicine. So mental often does not discount SAT exam I was didn't get enough points actually weirdly did better in the science as opposed to the English after having done a psychology course I thought my English will be better. But I didn't get that. So then I started second rounder in Birmingham. And then I got enough points to Limerick and I was kind of at a place where I thought she didn't want to I want to move to New America tell me my family and I think something like medicine that's a vocation that you have to jump at that kind of opportunity. So that went back to the drawing board. And I thought okay, look okay pharmacy ago I just really didn't want to drop back I do want to start something and not finish it. So I did like a crash course in chemistry because I've never done chemistry refers to to thoughts. And then I started pharmacy and enough tissue I really was the best five years but it just I feel like I'm at my best when I'm busy. You know people are different and you have to listen to your own kind of body and your own mind. So when I do feel that kind of overwhelmed or burnt out I have no problem now saying no I can't do that are constantly cons but I just try to manage everything for

Rory McInerney 7:43
you and listen to let's be honest, Mike Limerick, who's gonna you know, we've allotted Limerick listeners if you look at our listenership and Ireland limericks number two so John defend Limerick they're quick. They have a lot of followers or funds living in yours. I'm not too sure. It's hard to tell. Yeah, it could be. And so what was that? Like then? Yes, like, obviously with gut fitness a huge part of your life. So like, was that something that you kind of you've always been in love with? Or is it something that kind of, you know, when you're in college, or like, what when did that become a big part of your life,

Jess Redden 8:10
I suppose like in school, I played hockey, and locksmiths summertime, we could do all the cricket and badminton, that kind of stuff. And so definitely like variety in my training. But it wasn't until maybe when I was in UCD I started this boxing class. They've never done like a high intensity class before. And I just fell in love with it. The feeling afterwards that you got going into college after having toured for several years. I can't remember what do you work night at five o'clock in the morning then coming in here. But I actually had so much more energy to take, but it did do that. And then obviously with like your sleep wake cycle, you're waking up, it was just a good routine. So it was more the lifestyle that fitness gave me, which was why I got so heavily into it. I just felt great after training,

Rory McInerney 8:48
waking up at five in college instead of going to bed at five in college, which is probably the opposite. I think and I just want to touch on something that you talked about your experience with the exams, right? So like that was obviously like how did that feel? They feel like a big setback the first time when you didn't get the points that you needed? How would you handle that?

Jess Redden 9:04
I think because I had sacrificed so much. It was always like high achiever always wanted to get top and everything and I put the work and and I suppose I went into that exam thinking okay, you know what? Quality competent, I think I'm gonna get this. This time all my friends I got I'm gonna start medicine. And then when I didn't get it, it was it was almost guilt and shame. And just such disappointment because this is all I wanted. I thought at the time, because when you're younger, you kind of you can't see the bigger picture. So it was just devastated. I'm really upset about that.

Rory McInerney 9:34
But then what Adrian has happened

Jess Redden 9:37
six years Varanasi, and then so that was three years before it's maybe seven years ago. It was like 21 Okay, okay. And I just remember being so, so sad. And then I was like, No, I'll just do the next one. And then I did it again. It was my first kind of taste of failure. Because you know, scale you're kind of spoon fed and you're used to kind of getting not what you want, but it was just really disappointed. And then I put the work in, and it didn't pay off. But I suppose it's a good learning curve. And learning from that, and learning how to deal with failure kind of sets you up for further things like that in your life.

Rory McInerney 10:09
Because probably a lot of people listen to this, you know, certainly maybe that age demographic who might be used to dealing with setbacks and dealing with failure. So I think it's, you know, we've all had it in our lives, careers, like personal life, professional, academic, whatever it is, and I think it's, it's something that like, people are, I don't know, it's hard to kind of say this, but like, people tend to be getting worse at dealing with it as the years go on. I know, like, when we were kind of starting our business, lads, we would have had people who are coming across setbacks all the time. And now it seems to hit people a lot harder. And it seems to be harder to overcome.

Jess Redden 10:40
Well, I think a big part of that as well as social media, because everyone's giving their baseline and succeeding and starting these brands and opening and so you're comparing yourself so subconsciously, to everybody else. So you don't want to admit, like failed at this, or there's nothing gone? Well. So I think it's really important to talk about failure into sage, you know, it's actually okay to fail. And what's the next thing? And how is this going to lead me on to something else, something better?

Kieran Ruddock 11:03
Yeah. And also, like, if you if you're not failing at something, obviously, how you how you fail. See, as you said, when you've put in your best effort on something and it doesn't work out. It's very different to when you fail when you didn't put in your best effort. But either way, like, they're both part and parcel. Because say, for instance, you take that example where you don't put the work in for an exam, and then you fail. But then you could look at that and go, well, actually, if I put the work in again, and you reset it, and then that's a really good learning things. I think it's part and parcel of it, if you do an end, and that's going to challenge you, you're going to fail loads. Obviously, you don't want to necessarily fail when it really matters. Or if you do then they're the hardest ones, but they're probably the biggest learnings. But yeah, I think how you view it is really important and like even for myself, sometimes like I know about the growth mindset, I know that this the like failure is part of learning etc. But like sometimes you forget that and it hurts and stings for X amount of time but as you said, maybe when you sit down and reflect on it, you can kind of put a spin on it or look at it and see where the opportunity to get better or learn something from it.

Mike South 12:12
I think there's a lot of stuff out there at the moment about like that if you do fail you learn and what you take from us and how that sets you up going forward, like especially Conor McGregor's Coach Corey, Wayne or learn or learn like, I think there's a lot of positive stuff about failing out there is what I'm trying to say that if something doesn't go your way, like if you can take the learnings from it, and then move on and do it again if you have the opportunity to do it again or do something different so I think failure isn't as bad as this was in the past I think there's a lot more positivity around it if that makes sense.

Rory McInerney 12:41
But to Jessica's point there and really is about your mindset and the environment that you're in like we talked about environment with training and stuff a few weeks ago lads and like if you're around people who can make you see the wood from the trees in that instant, couple of weeks or you know that that time where it's really stinging an example of B I was in a very similar situation just I was trying to do a college course couple of years ago I'm taught to sit lead seminar exam GMAT exam and God got the points into the course but needs wants to get to a certain bracket for like scholarships to try and get in so missed it right like studying study very hard now having to open the book in from nearly 10 years after college right? failed and then it came that I reset the exams you have like three when no you can set them again and it was probably a two weeks for my wedding. So did it said look said to Courtney, I was like look just give me three more weeks I'm just going to put my head down I'm gonna smash this and then it's waiting we're going to the two lads were getting married that summer as well. So it's it's gonna be the best summer ever we've got so I'll work even harder for the three weeks went back in and the exact same score in the in the thing and also like like said had enough to get in didn't have enough to kind of try to get all the money for the scholarship. So basically emailed them and said, Look, I'm gonna do this next year, I have too much going on this summer I didn't want to be you don't want to enjoy my weight and gladwyne. So, but like that, for me was the first time that I'd had like a really big failure. And it was like the first failure was so bad that I said no matter what, three days, three weeks, I'm going to slam it and it was too soon because I still had the disappointment from the previous three weeks and I had the pressure of I need to get this done so I can enjoy all these other things and then when I came out I sat down and when I got the result the second time because you get it instantly pops up on the screen. I sat and had a coffee on my own like didn't turn the phone on didn't record you didn't know anything. And I was like what am I worried about? I was like I'll get married in two weeks. I was like what's your best mates are getting married the following two months afterwards? Forget about it just go away and enjoy much bigger things there. But if I if I had that mindset that three weeks before I probably would have done better and not put myself under the pressure but you know I didn't talk to anyone around that I was just like this what I have to do I've made up my mind I need to go instead of like sitting down and grabbing money. You lads are just talking to Courtney about properties. It's kind of it's about I think the people around and how just being okay to be like look, this is going to share what what do you think and just having people to listen to is really important. And

Kieran Ruddock 14:53
another thing on that though, obviously now you've gone and you've got the course and like so sometimes as well those failures See, when you get past that eventually, like, it's all the more rewarding when you finally get there to something that you've been working towards, you know? Yeah, I think that's another thing, you know, because obviously, sometimes you're sitting in it, and it's a hurts. But sometimes when you look back at it, the fact that you had to do it the hard way, sometimes they're the most rewarding achievements.

Jess Redden 15:20
And I think sometimes we're guilty of thinking short term, you know, oh, I don't want to do another X amount of years doing this, and I don't want to give up my time. But you always have to think long term, you know, like, what's going to be the best for me in the long run. And I feel like with that, and I was like, when I go back and do pharmacy, it's another five years and my friends are all qualified and working. And I'm the student again, but nine like this week, it's my first proper week qualified. It's been the best week of my life. Yeah, like it was so worth it. So I think at the end of all of the year work, like it really does pay off.

Rory McInerney 15:53
That's I was just gonna ask, so like, you're talking about the journey and like, this is the first week you're fully fledged pharmacists on your feet for like, 45 hours. Yeah, you weren't given out or you were saying your feet felt like like you said, you could feel your feet or something. So what what's happened like that is it like, it's very gratifying. It's just been so busy, I haven't had time to think or

Jess Redden 16:11
the whole reason I got into it was I think I was 18 when I started working in pharmacy, and the admiration and respect I had for the pharmacists was like nothing else. Because they gave so much their time to everyone that walked in doesn't matter who it was, could have been an older woman, it could have been a younger girl struggling with their skin. I remember one day, I was standing over the counter assistant, but a girl human and she quite bad acne. So why didn't you try these two products, because I'd always been kind of researching everything in the shop. And she came back a couple of weeks later, and she had such a smile on her face. And she was like, I just wanted to come in and say, thanks so much for that. And I was like, Look, I need to see this as a career. It's such it's so rewarding. And I think just giving your time to people, people care that you listen to them, because you can kind of rush through life. And you know, people aren't giving you the chance or the time to talk and not that often. People do just want to come in and have a chat and they want some reassurance around things. It's not always just, you know, dispensing medicines. And so I just signed off the child's face.

Rory McInerney 17:07
I just do interesting things. And I like one like after I have a small baby after you have a child, you realize the importance of a pharmacist like I would never

Jess Redden 17:17
recommend with baby. Yeah, I'm not listening to anyone else. What do you

Rory McInerney 17:20
like, you know, I read like, I'm best mates with the pharmacist and read minds now like, you know, I go in and like it just even if I'm not getting anything, I just go and ask them a question. It's going to you know, your public health nurse or pharmacist, you become very close to an A I found that's like, the, the passion like we like our passion here is helping people. That's what we want to do here at the gym, we just want to help people, whatever that means to them, whether it's physical, mental, emotional, like giving them Connection to different people. That's what we're all about. And like that's obviously what you're saying you love to do. So you know how it that ties into them what you do, I suppose with your your Instagram, and because I've noticed you get like if you're doing Q and A's, you get questions about everything, right? So, you know, if people come to me, and they're like, I want to get fed or I'm struggling with this, or I need routine revenue, I'm like, let's go I can I can help you if this or I can. But people come to me with some things. I'm like, I can't help you. I don't know what to do. What's that? Like? Because you gotta ask questions I saw on Instagram today anything from like weight loss to skincare to someone asked how to be a good wife that I that I see that? I'm like, is that not so much pressure to kind of answer the people's questions or something like,

Jess Redden 18:22
on what minds my own mindset is like, so I will never do a q&a when I'm not feeling 100% myself, because it can be quite draining because you want to give the best advice to people. And you want to take the time, you need to make sure that you're okay in your own line before, you know giving a show of our time. So let me ever do it when I'm gonna go into space. But it can be overwhelming. But I suppose if you've just done 10 hours of work, and then you're coming home and you're trying to answer as many, you just need to prioritize and kind of say at the start of the week, okay, this is the day that I'm going to go for instance, answer questions, but then I can't do everything. And you have to realize that sometimes I can't respond to people, and I hope you know people to understand that as well. You only have a certain amount of time on your hands.

Mike South 19:06
Like, yeah, what I'm curious about there is with the social media side of things, how did you decide that? That's where you're gonna put yourself and like, kick that off and put yourself into position right now? Because, like over the last few years, like it seems to have exploded to you like and like more and more people talk about you, like I tell you get hundreds of questions when you put yourself out there as well. But like, how did that all start? Or did you make that decision to, I suppose, put your life online.

Jess Redden 19:30
So basically, it was when I was working in my first pharmacy. And when I was like 1819 I had an Instagram page and I said, Oh, I'd love to be like a healthcare advisor. So something like that on Instagram was big then but there was nothing like that really out there. So I used to do these things called Top three. So I put up like two or three products for dermatitis or for rosacea. And people seem to love that and I was getting more and more followers. I think people were recommended to me. So it started with that and then it kind of grew into like skincare and Fitness fitness was a big one, I would put my work I had sold. And it was the what people would say to me saying, Oh, that advice that has helped me so much. And that kind of positivity, I just wanted to keep doing it. It was like it was infectious, because it was making a difference to other people. So the more of that I got, the more content type, right. And it's still saying, like, when a man back in work, and I'm putting all kinds of different tips and advice from being in work. And he made two people that are like, Oh, my God, thank you so much. I didn't know what this was, and blah, blah. At the same time, obviously, I can't give a specific medical advice or try and do like a general thing. But that's where it started. Yeah, I'm doing top threes when in the pharmacy.

Mike South 20:39
Brilliant. That's interesting, man. Yeah, I didn't know how it all kicked off here. But it's obviously what you're putting out there is very positive, and it is helping people, which is being consistent as well, since the day you started, really.

Jess Redden 20:49
And I suppose the people that follow me, I get such lovely feedback from people, whereas you know, that's not across the board. Because I suppose influencer has like a negative connotation around it, probably. Why is that? I think to be honest with you, I mean, I'm not sure. But I think maybe people got a little bit jealous that, you know, these girls are going to get in the latest of everything and you know, free stays and free holidays and you know, more energy than if they're making a successful business, and they're working in the recording all this content. I think that doesn't sit well with a lot of people. So that's why they get a lot of hate. Sometimes I think

Kieran Ruddock 21:21
part of it as well is like it's your intent to like from, from hearing what you're talking about how you got into pharmacy and the things you've just spoken about, as Mike said about helping people, you can see that that's obviously the thing that energizes you in your job, but then also with social media. It's like your intent is you're doing it to help people. Whereas I think, I don't know. But like, that's where I'm listening to you. I'm like, Wow, isn't that great? Fair play, that's amazing. But then you could have someone else where their intent is, I just want to do this stuff to earn money and get free stuff, which is it's a job at the end of the data job. But like you could see how then you probably would be opening yourself up to more kind of negative and more where it's like, you're just honestly trying to help people. One of the guys I follow and get most of my stuff from a guy called Dan John American fella. And if I hear I love it, I

Rory McInerney 22:18
love him. This is like not that but like, sorry, but this guy's basically roses Dad,

Kieran Ruddock 22:23
I love him. I want to be like him when I'm 60. But basically, like his podcast is he just answers questions. So they send him in questions, and then he answers them. But you can tell he just loves, like helping people. And that's what he's doing it for. Obviously, he's doing it as his job, but you can tell that his intent is to like educate and help people so and I'd imagine he gets a huge amount of positive stuff, because that's his show is just helping people you know, so it's suppose your intent is to help people so you're gonna get a lot of positive stuff back because you're, that's because of what you're doing. You know?

Rory McInerney 22:56
It's like, I don't know, I think, like, there's always like, just people who are gonna knock what you do, no matter what it is, do you get do you get much of that?

Jess Redden 23:04
There is well not on my own kind of page, because there's stupid sites that people go on. And they slay Slyke influencers, and they say some horrific.

Rory McInerney 23:13
So it's not like the teachers wonder used to be my teacher, Teacher, teacher, put for my

Jess Redden 23:20
daughter's and Instagrams. I remember the first time we saw it, it was one of my other friends who does like loads social media. So she said, Oh, like, you're right, my teacher page is so nice. And so my dad, and people were like sticking up for me. And I was like, okay, and then it went down a couple days later, and it was horrific. I was what it was my first exposure to people being so nasty for no reason. So it's actually so upset by it. But then I have and I don't look at it at all anymore. But I remember I did go on. And I was just laughing at the numbers and say that it's just all rumors and lies. And, you know, he must be really sad to see those kinds of things about someone that one you've never matched or two is just trying to help guide us. You know, it's,

Rory McInerney 24:00
especially with social media, we're like, this is our choice. Like, you don't have to follow someone like if people don't like what you put out there. Don't look at it. You mean like, it's it's just it's that it's mindset thing. And I think that's great that you develop that mindset for it. And I think it probably finally already ties into what you've said about you know, previous setbacks and you know, the way you you kind of handle yourself and conduct yourself seem very even keel like, you know, not everyone's like that. And it can be very upsetting for a lot of people I'd imagine. So imagine after Thanksgiving to be in that industry. Yeah,

Jess Redden 24:29
I think go away for was it five or six months that that was one of the best things I think I ever did. Because before that I was always burning myself out and things like that would really got to me and I'm like, Oh, why did that person say that? Whereas now I'm like, that's more of a reflection on them than it is on me. If they want to tear me apart for my looks or my weight ease or whatever it is. She knows that that's it's not my business. It's not my I don't have to listen to that. So just kind of like that age.

Kieran Ruddock 24:54
Was that when you went away to Australia was that's what really helped you.

Jess Redden 24:59
That's what kind of just changed my mindset and my outlook on everything and we went we went December of last year and was kind of touch and go whether it was going to go or not. And then I decided as I quit you know I just get on that plane and you know, go on with worse comes to worse but I never wanted to go home.

Rory McInerney 25:17
But no parts are Yeah,

Jess Redden 25:20
I'm really lifestyle like 6am Europe, you're gonna have your swing and getting the coffee. Everyone's so nice like everyone walking down the street is like cool. Whereas here if you said good morning, how are you someone I think they're like, are you alright? lifestyle?

Rory McInerney 25:35
And what was that? Like? Obviously when he went I remember like following some of your stuff like the hotel workers because you're in quarantine when he got there. Nice and what No, everyone was you said there's no windows couldn't open the windows or something.

Jess Redden 25:47
No, that's like you get on this bus with everybody else you land in. Think we flew to Paris? Yeah, sorry, quarantine in Brisbane. You get on a bus and then they tell you what your like quarantine facility is some places have like balconies and

Rory McInerney 25:59
when quarantine roulette.

Jess Redden 26:01
Yeah. Please God about this better have a balcony like I have not been in a room with you 14 days. And then we got there. And like it's so surreal because you're with loads of other people. And they bring it up to like to know if you're on the 16th floor or something. So you're looking down. Like at the end of it, I feel I've had such severe drought at vertigo on the ground outside. And I was like, Oh my gosh, and fresh air. And it was actually it was such an experience. I wouldn't have changed it. So someone said you could go and that I've had that experience, which would you choose that and I wasn't like it was so interesting.

Rory McInerney 26:36
A couple of things when that's like obviously I've got three three questions. I was so like one What did you learn about Rob, while you're in that that you didn't know to do you don't learn about yourself? And three did you learn Latin about just what it could be like to be in isolation for 14 days?

Jess Redden 26:51
I suppose the first one I knew we could get married. I think we were a few. Okay, we've passed this because he's just he's really laid back I really chill. Nothing really fazes him, whereas me I'm kind of like, you know, go go go really eccentric and he's just so chilled out like he's no problem sitting there all day every day. Where it's fine like

Rory McInerney 27:16
he's got water just sitting on his air. So today

Jess Redden 27:22
he's a very chilled out guy. And I think I learned from him how to chill out and then he learned from me how to maybe put you know, put yourself out there a bit more and try something new. And so it's all kind of stuff from each other. You're doing handstands you're doing and learning French together. Yeah. Very good. What was your?

Rory McInerney 27:39
The human mind in general? Like was like, you know, did you have any crazy high moments or low moments go a bit delirious? I couldn't imagine myself and plan Honestly, I'd like 14 days in Arizona.

Mike South 27:48
Oh, you think you'd be the worst person? Oh, really? Well, I was like, I know what just described there. Just need to be on the move. You need to talk to people. You need to be around people.

Rory McInerney 27:57
I just feel like we're digging deep here. Ruben, I just can't imagine you. You could be the laid back dudes just like chillin with me.

Mike South 28:04
Yeah, I could really go into bed watching Netflix.

Rory McInerney 28:09
Oh my god. Okay. Thanks, Mike. I'll take that as a compliment. Okay, very good. Very good.

Jess Redden 28:14
Yes, if I was to, you're forced to actually slow down like you won't be able to do it. We all think you can't do things until you're like in the position where you have to Oh, that wasn't actually that bad at

Rory McInerney 28:23
all. I've thought about that. On my honeymoon. I went to like we went to Madeira and went to Lisbon for like five days on real level and Lisbon like buzzin down to timeout food market eating all their own meat, love and life. They went to Madeira which is like middle of nowhere not like amazing place now mind blowing. It's like first trade as corny as it was sent by the pool or not doing anything and then ended a trip we'll do some hikes or whatever. So I brought a book called Paper Tiger really addressed the book about this guy who basically quit his job when he was like 25 tried to become a professional golfer, his average golfer from reading this book to read the whole book in like two days I'm like I need to find a golf course I need to go practice now. I need to be this guy. I'm like texting like I'm not coming back to work like just because I'm at the pool like I read this whole book and I'm like just I need to go do something so quickly. So yeah, I don't know then I like survive. I'll give it a go though.

Mike South 29:11
Did I suggest that you did you do some sort of a run in the hotel room?

Jess Redden 29:15
I'll give myself like little tasks every day. So one of them was run at least 5k Every day in the room. So then I started increasing by a kilometer and we

Rory McInerney 29:25
always room what are we talking about? Just the standards for the year to where that is? Five meters? Yeah.

Jess Redden 29:32
Okay, it was teeny. Like it was so small. So I was running

Rory McInerney 29:35
up 100,000 laps.

Jess Redden 29:37
I think it was but all my 14 day around 14k.

Rory McInerney 29:44
Like, wearable Yeah, like real is checking the detail. I didn't see your stats, just

Kieran Ruddock 29:50
counting the steps. So I'm gonna start again.

Rory McInerney 29:52
How long does that take you?

Jess Redden 29:53
I think it was actually a while. Let's say it was an hour and a half. Did you get dizzy? No think have also probably like, oh my god, he or she got angry last week and the complaint was I think anyone here, find a way with one of my friends over there to drop stuff at Hotel. So he brought us up some weights and stuff like that. So we were there too. And I waited and then reception caught up. They're like, and Excuse me, could you please stop making so much noise? Oh, sugar.

Unknown Speaker 30:22
Candy was fine. Very good.

Kieran Ruddock 30:25
Is that how you kind of you set up your weeks in terms of now? Like, is that something you always do? Where like you sit down, you have several little tasks and stuff. And that's how you're gonna get so much done in a week? Is that something you do?

Jess Redden 30:36
I don't organize and prioritize what I'm going to do on the end of kind of not doing anything. So I do that on a Sunday. I'm like, okay, Mondays try to get this Tuesday, I'm having a rest Wednesday, I'll see this person will do that. And then yeah, that's what works for me.

Kieran Ruddock 30:50
Yeah, no, no, I think, personally, that's going to, for me as well, like so important of like, like you said, it's kind of building into different things. Because I find that sometimes it's getting better at it. But like, sometimes you can kind of get so bogged down and doing something and then you realize, oh, no, I still got to do this other thing, and you're nowhere near on it. Whereas if you can kind of look at a week and kind of block different chunks out and figure out, even for me, trying to figure out like, what can I do best here in the gym. But then what do I do best when I'm at home, when do you know, I don't talk to anyone and just lock myself in a room and do certain things. But yeah, like that, I definitely am a lot better. If I planned stuff out at the start that we can try block different chunks of workout, as opposed to when there's less of a plan and struggle.

Rory McInerney 31:37
Everyone's different with that, though I find I'm, I wouldn't say the opposite. But like I, I've kind of try it at the minute now. Because I'm doing like a lot of different things like between, you know, we're all doing different example of driving in the gym, out of the gym meetings, different things, I'll just pick like three biggest things that I need to get done in that whole week. And I have a list of the smaller things written down. And I just try keep the big thing is always the focus, I'd make sure I've got like two hours a day where I'm focusing on the big things if they get done early in the week, or just last through the smaller things. Remember, like, I find it really hard to say right, I'm going to do accounts from two to four, or I'm going to do this from a doesn't really work for me, I just kind of you're very distracted, like you want to go get coffees all the time. And you know, but I feel like the reason I think that is it's probably to what you said earlier about how people are energized, like I will do the main work as well, if I feel like I'm locked in a room and I can't do it. And whereas if I go have a coffee or kind of just bumped into someone, I'm shooting the breeze for a few minutes, I can dive into the work a little bit more, a bit more about me or something, I don't know what it is, I don't feel as prescriptive. And they have to do this at this time. I'd like a bit more flexibility and freedom

Kieran Ruddock 32:41
is different personalities, different things because I'm easily distracted. So and if I am very distracted, if I'm distracted, I tend to make loads of mistakes, or it takes me ages to do something. So like Sarah will say to me often, where she'll like be talking to me at home, and I'll be like yet Yeah, but I'm not actually listening because I'm concentrating on something. So like, I definitely struggle if I'm trying, if I'm trying to do a task that's on a computer. And there's something else going on, I really struggle with that. But then other people don't struggle. And they can do a task where you can probably do it with loads going on, they still do the tasks

Mike South 33:16
that I just think like I tried to plan it out on a Friday. So like for example yesterday, I just look ahead at next week, I'll get like Roy's dirty, important things of the meet people are affected. There's things I need to sign off on or whatever, maybe I'll try to get them put into my diary. But I don't grow until you get it very easily distracted as well. So what I try to do is put the important things into the time of day where I know I'm most productive, which is probably the morning. And then I don't do any work in the afternoon. I don't do work, but not Oh in classes. So not too early.

Rory McInerney 33:44
But you're napping in the afternoon. So

Mike South 33:46
yeah, exactly. I'm gonna go for coffees and you know, free up the afternoons. That's not what happens. But that sort of choice is similar to roads, I do try to plan out the week but it's kind of a mix of both of what you said like I tried to have time during the day where I can go and pick up those smaller things are forced to go and chat to him to coach whatever it may be. So I think there's a bit of both he and me. Okay.

Rory McInerney 34:08
We've got some questions here just from Instagram and that's one of them that came in it's how do you schedule time for workouts with study and work and other commitments so not so much about plan your work, but how do you get to training?

Jess Redden 34:18
So again, I suppose it's what works for you. It's not like a one size fits all. So personally, I'm a morning person, and I need to be in bed at like half night. And like my friends will ask me to stay up late late night.

Rory McInerney 34:32
God no, no, yeah, well, I wouldn't be normally but like my life has just changed so much that if I'm not in bed by nine o'clock, like I'm you know, I'm asleep by nine o'clock most of the time now.

Jess Redden 34:41
Yeah, so I'm always in bed early and that really helps me because if I get to bed at 1112 I still I'm gonna wake up at six but then I'm so tired. Yeah. So like, initially because harvest loves to say oh. Oh, go

Rory McInerney 34:56
ahead. Oh, sorry. came up last night by the way. Yeah, well I was 20 minutes second episode like I need to go to bed.

Jess Redden 35:03
Yeah to be like straight true. But I always jump in it right. So go to bed early anyway, that helps me. And then I'll, I'll work I use in the morning before work. And again, that's what gives me energy towards the day. And then sometimes if I do have energy I'll after work, I'll go for a walk or often in a Pilates class. So it's all day Friday, I don't really do the same thing all the time. Obviously, these classes are my favorite. So do that twice a week, strength base work. And then I don't really do any kind of hit or cardio, try to like focus on strength at the minute and pilates and those kind of things. But again, it's just finding the time and fitting it into your your calendar for the week,

Rory McInerney 35:39
I think grows in first for whoever asked that question. It's similar to what you said we talked about this morning was like, about when it's not perfect, just having like those movement minimums or commits like minimum time, what I kind of said to you there was was over the last five or six weeks, I'm training for triathlon in the summer. And what I found is, I, if I just try to do less, I end up doing more cumulative over the week. So if instead of being like, I have to do a two hour cycle today, if I just go ride a half an hour I get on the bike, I might stretch for an hour and 20 minutes or whatever. But the next day, I'll be able to, you know, I'll try to make up that 40 and end up doing another hour, but like my cumulative training over the last two months has been higher than it's ever been. But I don't feel like I'm really stressed and have to train more than ever, it's kind of just by lowering my expectations a little bit and taking some minimums, I've actually probably trained more than I've ever trained certainly last couple of years. So it's kind of mindset, a huge part of it, as well as routine I think,

Kieran Ruddock 36:34
definitely, even like how that changes through the years and like being willing to change your mindset and the way you set it up to whatever at how you change, but then how your life changes as well. Because like, I know, for me back when I was younger, like the mindset of like being really like I have to do this type of session I have to do this served me really well from a rugby perspective, because I wouldn't have gotten as far as I did, from the rugby standpoint, at least in my kind of younger years, teenage years. Because that stuff like I completely changed my physical capabilities over a number of years and like overtook a lot of people and completely changed my game with that. But then you take that then when rugby is not your main thing anymore, and then you've got a job, you got a family and all those things. And if you if you have that type of mindset, you're kind of banging your head against a wall, like you said, because you always feel like you're not getting anything done. So I think as well for maybe someone who has fallen out of the habit of moving, maybe just revisiting like, what what am I trying to do? What How is my life changed, and then trying to figure out a way that actually works for you. There's loads of different ways to structure your training and try and maybe revisit it if you've fallen out of the habit of doing it, you know,

Rory McInerney 37:51
next question. Yes, this is these are the ones that are kind of these tie in together. So the first one is, we talked about the pressure of answering questions and different things. So like someone's mentioned in saying, I have a lot of weight to lose, but have no idea where to start. What would your advice be?

Jess Redden 38:06
I have a lot of weight to lose. Yeah. Well, I suppose. What advice would you give to losing weight, like obviously, it's about diet and exercise. So you need to look at what you're doing now and what's not working, and maybe then implementing something that can work. So obviously, we all know cardio cardiovascular exercise would be one of the best. So if she's someone maybe that isn't, doesn't have much experience, start with like a walk and go for 15 minutes every day, then 30 minutes every day, then 45 and building it up. And then eventually maybe try doing a few hit classes if you need to, I find a group environment great if you're like lacking motivation, and he doesn't really know what to do in the gym, and group classes I find really, really logical and Flow runs. And then just being more mindful with your diet. Like, I think a lot of people even with, you know, like fizzy drinks and coffees and we can slow Nam away and then all day without being conscious that, you know, there's obviously calories and things in those as well. So maybe tidying up your diet image on a hill uncocking but there's actually that's great meal companies out there at the minute. And like parallel nutrition, their race are clean, because if you don't have the time to you know, meal prep everything as well. So obviously just tidying up the diet and trying to fit in it more exercise.

Rory McInerney 39:17
It's very, very tough question, you know, it's like it's that say, what's the how to eat an elephant by bed or small changes routine around you jump in there,

Kieran Ruddock 39:24
I was just gonna say it depends on the person as well like, like, obviously, when you get more context on the person, you might figure out like your example of like prioritizing your week. When you're starting something you've got to you can feel overwhelming of where you want to get to whether it's a weight loss goal, the strength goal conditioning goal, like whatever it is, it can feel overwhelming when you feel like you've got a lot of X to do and and sometimes one of the most useful things is sitting down looking at all the things you could do. And then actually moving loads aside and just picking two or three and starting with those and then doing them and we did Some stuff in the CBD words showed you guys they're the guy called BJ Fogg from Stanford. He's like a habit change behavior expert. And he has some nice exercises, one of them, he calls a swarm of behaviors. So basically, you write down your goal. So the goal is, so if it's weight loss, I want to lose 10 kilos, say in the next year. And then from there, you write down all the things, you could do all the behaviors that would lead to that outcome, and you write them all down. And then from there, you then draw a little line where you saw a graph on one side is going up, the impact of going up the scale is the impact and then going across the other axes is how easy it will be for you to do. And then basically, you plot out all those little behaviors onto that graph. And then basically, you pick the two or three, that would have a high impact, but will be easy for you to do. And then that helps you to slide away all the things that it feels overwhelming to start with. So as a suggestion to that person, maybe do that little exercise where I want to do this, right? As you said, yes. What can I do from intuition? What can I do from a training site and anything else an organization and you put it all down there? And then from there, you just go over? List them all out of what do you think would be a high impact? And then pick the easiest ones? might be helpful? And pick two or three? And just start with those

Rory McInerney 41:15
nice solid roads? Yeah. And and then Jess, a good question. You're like, do you feel pressure being influenced or to look a certain way? I?

Jess Redden 41:25
Suppose I'll be honest, no.

Rory McInerney 41:28
Okay. Honesty, honesty is good.

Jess Redden 41:31
I was gonna, I was like, you know, now at this stage, but like, to look a certain way, from a day to day life, though. Like, I have no problem, obviously, coming to the gym or going here, there and everywhere, being who I am and looking out. But I guess online, being honest, yes, I do. And just because again, I suppose human nature, you always want to look your best or be your best. But that's probably something I should change. Because, like natural is the best way. So I think if you're kind of showed yourself all dolled up all the time, like that's not a real representation of what you look like day to day, and you want to be as authentic as you can, unless, because I do feel a little pressure maybe because other people in the industry, they're always they look a certain way. And we always, you know, Comparison is the thief of joy. But we do compare ourselves to other people. And subconsciously, I guess I do do do that myself. So that's something I could definitely work on. But yeah, I think I do feel a bit of pressure.

Rory McInerney 42:22
But that's something I found really interesting work with you coming into the classes that like, you know, a lot of people who train in gym would know who you are, because they follow on Instagram, and then they turn around and they're on a bar with you in a class and they're like, aren't you jet? Yeah. But like, it's very, like, instantly, there's no electrosonic there's no bullshit about you. There's nowhere it's in Grace's. Which is fantastic. But like, I've heard kind of people say to me, like, you know, after class like she, she's so nice. She's so you know, because people see like, celebrity influencer, that that they see it. And then to see that you're just a really normal person is because we probably don't see that who don't get to meet you in person. And that's what I've been amazed, like, all our members have changed. We've been like she she saw sounds very helpful, really nice. Whereas, you know, like I said, that perception is maybe that you're gonna be all about yourself when you're in the gym, which, you know, you talked about community and environment, things that are really important to you. I think, like I can, I can vouch for it that you do live by that when you're in the gym. So I think that's, that's a that's a really nice idea to see as well. Probably. So, last few questions, FS related shameless plugs, but the question we want to know, what's your favorite FMS gym class?

Jess Redden 43:20
Oh, it's so tough because it is your favorite tank on Thursdays upper body and lower body. Lower body is something I was too scared, I suppose to train. Because I was just always I was really weak. And before I started the class, it's like the squat rack. I couldn't have gone near it because it was always to me,

Rory McInerney 43:40
like, correct.

Jess Redden 43:43
But yeah, they're my top three. I haven't done Metcon. But I'm booked in for Monday. So I'm excited to see what bank holiday Monday Yeah, Turtle lobby Scottie. But my top tier will be talking about our body

Rory McInerney 43:55
class recognition classes, good program and roads, roads around the world.

Kieran Ruddock 43:59
Just before you go into the last best thing, just like there are loads of people out there, and probably more so female than male who would have that in terms of like being scared to go into strength training for you? What were some of the things that like helped you to kind of get past that? Because if there's someone else out there who's wants to start getting stronger, but they're afraid to do so what kind of helped you to get past that?

Jess Redden 44:22
Helps me was kind of more like the accessory exercises, you guys. Yeah. So like, you know, doing your hip bridges or doing those fun ones that we do at the start after the warm up. But

Rory McInerney 44:32
before which presents Yeah, those kinds of things. Yes.

Jess Redden 44:34
So it was like building your muscles in order to be able to, you know, squash, yeah, and then building up slowly and just the way that you program everything like either you had to do 15 or 20 squats in the gym. But so I remember my first concert, as I mentioned was probably four racks and like, that's the only way I would ever train. And so it was great to learn that I just didn't know. Yeah. Yes, the except that the lower reps I found, I found really helpful for increasing your strength.

Kieran Ruddock 45:06
Yeah. Like, I would definitely give that advice. And I do get it with people who asked me more. So like friends and family and stuff who couldn't actually come in and train with me because they don't live close enough for the back and Wales etc. And I just say to them, like, go and get a coach like it's the best investment you could do. For even if it's not something you plan to do longer term, just go get a coach for like two months, and then get them as you said to whatever you're not doing help you to figure out the kind of structure of how to plan a strength workout and then also like, teach you how to do the movements at a level that would work for you. Because it's again, then once you start doing it, and you see the benefit and you enjoy it, then your confidence comes up from it. So like anyone who's out there who's kind of like that just go get a coach, it'd be the best investment you make at least to start with, you know,

Rory McInerney 45:54
I think that's like when we started the gym like she's nearly 10 years closer, 10 years ago now as it took about a year we nearly 10 years ago. Like that was the biggest thing is we found like the gym was very much 5050 male female, but the s&c classes, like strength classes were like at 20. And like we made a really conscious decision after six months to like, do we need to change our marketing to try and get more ladies into our classes because we knew the benefits of strength training and the 20% for ladies who were doing it were, you know, seeing huge, they were loving it, they were seen huge improvements physically giving them more energy, they felt stronger. So we kind of we sort of tweak our marketing in the first six months, it wasn't to sign people up to the gym, because we already had, but it was actually internally market to get more ladies to do to strengthen conditioning classes. And it seems to be no, the mindset is kind of like it's it's it's mainstream, like strength training is sexy. No, it wasn't it wasn't just 10 years ago, because like there's some classes later where there's like 10 Ladies and Unani two lads, it's kinda it's completely changing. It's great. It's great to see

Kieran Ruddock 46:53
it's such a fun and empowering feeling when you like are stronger. Like when you it's hard to explain it but like when you start getting stronger, it's like this is actually fun. This is enjoyable. It's kind of getting over that first part, which we all have and it'd be the same for any of us. Like you learn a new sport do you try to do some so I was in one of the guys rocky who used to play with those in his gym up in green, you know, but then yeah. So I'm walking down and he had me during one of his sessions, and he had we were skipping rope and believe it or not I'm I'm getting this world record holder in.

Rory McInerney 47:33
I have heard this night was part of like exerting shame on me for crafting your story which I've just heard it a lot but you are going

Kieran Ruddock 47:42
to bishopston Calm comprehensive when we were in school for the Bupa heartstart you know that that charity there so for Bucha heartstart we did a fundraiser is that what we did a fundraiser where we did the most people in the world skipping we beat some other some other school in the country and we had the most people skip into like everyone in the school out in the yard teachers and pupils had to skip for a minute

Rory McInerney 48:12
I have a record for skipping people are automatically gone. Wow, it's four days.

Kieran Ruddock 48:18
I'm not lying, but I can't actually skip on I probably didn't actually skip for that minute. Anyway, after that workout with him. I hadn't skipped in ages and I was not professional to start with and basically I was tripping over the whole time but it is hard when you go back to being a beginner again because you're like trip trip trip when he comes over he gives me a tip Yeah, okay, drip drip drip. So like it's getting past that first little bit is the hard bit but having someone there to give you the guidance of what to focus on but also just to make you feel like it's grand, you'll get a bit better but once you get a bit of momentum same with strength training, you start seeing and feeling that difference it can be really enjoyable you know?

Rory McInerney 48:57
I think they think about that and just before we answered the second question in there before Mikey goes into his quickfire questions round day what like what's what's happened oh see you're starting starting pharmacy. Still Instagram still gonna be big part of your life is there anything I see golf you're taking up golf pro see that they're in

Jess Redden 49:17
Australia. So I'd love to connect this alright, we have a nice drive for the courses

Rory McInerney 49:22
we have a reverse society here so we've more lady members who are keen this year than we've ever had before see where you

Mike South 49:31
go yeah well there's a spot there if you'd heard the noise

Rory McInerney 49:36
mikesbikes Hunting

Mike South 49:39
massive recruitment drove

Rory McInerney 49:42
good anyone else play tag or golf? Yeah Even if you're not a member to jam that Mike has sold stuff for people to play bag it's probably because all if you want to play just let me know. Are all members keep letting you know Mike so y'all know who you are. We

Mike South 49:53
had to get exactly committed and then they're going on holidays every Thursday to Sunday. So

Rory McInerney 49:58
sorry Rory being Yes. Sorry about that. Yeah, I've been there once but it's good. So a so yeah, golf sorry. So like it's kind of because like how do you find that because honestly, we love golf here like love to talk about it. How have you found like literally complete newbie,

Jess Redden 50:10
complete newbie I didn't even know I had never hit a ball for actually. Yeah happened. Bug. Yeah. Okay, so we went every nickel went twice the expendable group of girls and it was really more of a rose a club to start with. So you go and like, you know, top of people and then we go down Rosie for an hour. I was like, Oh, his golf was great.

Rory McInerney 50:30
It was delicious.

Jess Redden 50:32
But then he actually did get into it because I was able to hit it. And I was able to hit a fire

Rory McInerney 50:37
and which was video so videos somewhere. Yes. Right.

Jess Redden 50:41
So once you once again, it's like anything once you get better at something, you get more like addicted to it, you're like, oh, I need to get even better again. So it started with just the driving range. And then we'd go out and play like animals and still have you have to do later to you

Rory McInerney 50:55
know, 99 and whiners idea.

Jess Redden 50:58
I like that idea. But ya know, I'm definitely gonna, I think the lessons are grace. And we'll try and get through those and

Rory McInerney 51:05
Okay, nice. Nice. All right, Mikey, over to you.

Mike South 51:08
Yeah, so just as the final part of the podcast,

Rory McInerney 51:11
you've made it this far. Yep. For expected it's been quite it's just the flow has been good. Yeah, lost track of time

Mike South 51:17
here. So basically, with the last part of the podcast, all we try to do is give the people that are listening probably a slightly more detailed idea of your personality. And just don't think don't think about it too hard. Just going to person comes to your head. So five questions if you can avoid three people to dinner. Who are they? And boy

Jess Redden 51:37
three people to dinner. Oh, Princess joy. Can you kind of be she's just out I think. And then I would have

Unknown Speaker 51:48
you don't have someone like maybe Ben Affleck in there. Or Tom Hardy Can I kind of pick Tom number two

Jess Redden 51:58
and then number three? Probably do someone like Albert Einstein loved cricket.

Mike South 52:04
That'd be an interesting dinner very

Rory McInerney 52:06
funky. Tomboy Tom Hardy as Bane

Mike South 52:09
vain Yeah. Nice. We'd love to Rosie's right that second question. Your favorite movie and favorite ever TV series?

Jess Redden 52:20
Okay, favorite movie Shawshank Redemption. Yes. And so it's very sad.

Rory McInerney 52:28
Powerful movie powerful.

Jess Redden 52:30
It's really emotive like oh, that was brilliant. And favorite TV series. This is us. Have you guys watched that? This is Oh please start who's this? What's it done? It's on prime and Disney plus.

Rory McInerney 52:43
This is us. What's about it follows

Jess Redden 52:45
like a family I'll give too much away but it goes through everything and goes through like bereavement Alzheimer's, like just everything okay?

Mike South 52:53
Give it a go. Yeah,

Shawshank Redemption is an interesting movie choice. When I was younger I used to go to like GTA games like the whole time big Limerick GA supporter and to do a player player profile every week and every match. And I'd say for the whole summer 16 weeks race, every gap is there. Movie Shawshank Redemption. Their favorite dinner was steak and chips. The whole summer like no one deviated from Charlie's academic portfolio. Good story. Yeah. Nice. So your favorite ever holiday location?

Jess Redden 53:23
I am probably Majorca and stay there every summer with my family.

Rory McInerney 53:30
Nice nice. Pop is Palma. Majorca.

Jess Redden 53:33
Yeah. north of the island Plaza. Oh, nice.

Mike South 53:37
Okay, nearly there just to see though, who's had the biggest influence on your career,

Jess Redden 53:41
my career? probably say, Nev the pharmacist that I worked with on my fourth year placement. She helped me loss

Mike South 53:53
brilliant. And then final question, the best advice you've been ever given a lot of advice.

Rory McInerney 54:06
But the single best

Mike South 54:10
one springs to mind who said something that's kind of stuck with you.

Jess Redden 54:13
I always say this like mantra to myself, but, but for the grace of God there guys, it just helps me to, you know, be grateful for what you do how friends, you know, be in the present moment. And gratitude

Rory McInerney 54:25
was powerful, but for the grace of God

Jess Redden 54:27
and ally. There's always people so much worse off. So if you're having a bad day, if you're upset about something will be so much worse.

Rory McInerney 54:35
So just thanks so much for your time. I hope you enjoyed that. We'll have to get you back on at some stage again. Yeah, have a great Bicholim again, best luck tomorrow, Mikey. Thanks very much. 141 44 Yeah,