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What happens when we stop resisting and start leading with “yes energy”?In this conversation, Barbara sits down with Sarah Richardson Mehler, Founder & CEO of Left Field Labs, to explore the inner shifts that have shaped her leadership and life.Sarah shares how embracing ambidexterity, blending imagination, and intuition with pragmatic execution, and empathy with strategy, opened space for her to bring her whole self to leadership. She reflects on why better together and collective intelligence is a strength in creativity and innovation, how a trip to the Amazon rainforest awakened new ways of listening and seeing, and why “thinking with the heart” is essential in both business and life.Together they explore the power of yes over resistance, the value of iteration over perfection, and the grace that emerges when we lead from curiosity, connection, and wholeness.If you’ve ever wondered what it looks like to integrate ancient wisdom with modern work, or how to expand your leadership without losing your humanity, this episode will inspire and guide you.Thank you for listening to The Innerverse of Business and Life Podcast! Don't forget to follow for new episodes every Thursday and visit Barb's website (https://barbarapatterson.com/) for more resources.SHOW NOTES* [00:00] - Welcome to the Innerverse of Business and Life Podcast* [00:56] - Meet Sarah Mehler* [02:27] - The Journey Begins: From Personal to Professional* [04:26] - Creating a Supportive Work Environment* [07:37] - Embracing Challenges and Aha Moments* [10:27] - The Power of Yes Energy* [13:20] - Balancing Imagination and Pragmatic Execution* [16:32] - Iterative Growth and Grace in Leadership* [19:28] - Collective Wisdom: Lessons from the Amazon* [22:40] - Integrating Human and Machine Intelligence* [25:29] - The Collective Intelligence of Collaboration* [28:34] - Empathy as a Strength in Business* [31:40] - The Importance of Whole Self in Leadership* [34:27] - Going to a Bigger Place TogetherSHOW LINKS* Connect with Sarah on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/serichardson/)* Learn more about Left Field Labs (https://www.leftfieldlabs.com/)
What happens when we stop resisting and start leading with “yes energy”?
In this conversation, Barbara sits down with Sarah Richardson Mehler, Founder & CEO of Left Field Labs, to explore the inner shifts that have shaped her leadership and life.
Sarah shares how embracing ambidexterity, blending imagination, and intuition with pragmatic execution, and empathy with strategy, opened space for her to bring her whole self to leadership. She reflects on why better together and collective intelligence is a strength in creativity and innovation, how a trip to the Amazon rainforest awakened new ways of listening and seeing, and why “thinking with the heart” is essential in both business and life.
Together they explore the power of yes over resistance, the value of iteration over perfection, and the grace that emerges when we lead from curiosity, connection, and wholeness.
If you’ve ever wondered what it looks like to integrate ancient wisdom with modern work, or how to expand your leadership without losing your humanity, this episode will inspire and guide you.
Thank you for listening to The Innerverse of Business and Life Podcast! Don't forget to follow for new episodes every Thursday and visit Barb's website for more resources.
SHOW NOTES
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This podcast is a space to explore the profound connection between our inner world and our work in the world. We dive deep into the heart of what it means to live and work from a felt knowing of our essential selves – aligned, alive, and fully expressed. We’ll play at the intersection of business, spirituality, consciousness, and growth.
Through intimate conversations with thought leaders, change-makers, authors, and humans just like you and me, you’ll hear real stories of transformation and the internal shifts, “aha” moments, and wake-up calls that have helped them to access new dimensions of creativity, higher levels of intelligence, unlock dormant potentials and experience greater joy and fulfillment.
Barbara Patterson (00:56)
Hi, this is Barb. Welcome back to the Interverse of Business and Life. Today, I'm joined by Sarah Mailer, the founder and CEO of Left Field Labs. For nearly two decades, Sarah has led her team in creating innovative products and experiences for companies like Google, Amazon, Meta, Verizon, and Sony, always with a focus on meaningful human impact alongside business results. What I admire most about Sarah, though, is not her vision or track record.
but the way she leads.
She models a graceful commitment to the greatest possible good for everyone, bringing imagination, intuition, and empathy together with strategy and execution.
In our conversation, Sarah shares the inner shifts that have shaped her life and her leadership from saying yes, instead of resisting to bringing her whole self to the conversation and to learning from the interconnected wisdom of nature, the Amazon rainforest, and so much more.
She reminds us that growth often comes when we're willing to let go of perfection, embrace curiosity, and lead with both heart and courage. As always, I'm so glad you're here. Thank you for listening. And if you know anyone that would benefit from this conversation, please share it. And now here's Sarah.
Barbara Patterson (02:27)
Sarah, thank you so much for being here. As I've shared with you, I've really been looking forward to this conversation. I think we discovered it was about six years ago or so that we met in LA. And ever since then, it's been such a treat to kind of observe your work and get to see a glimpse of what you're up to in the world. So I'm excited to take a deep dive around that today.
Sarah (02:54)
Thank you. It's so lovely to see you again after six years. Yes.
Barbara Patterson (02:56)
Yeah.
Well, I would love, know, as we were just to let the audience know as we were sort of getting all the technology set up, I asked Sarah, you know, her business is 17 years now. And I asked if she was single when she started the business. And you said yes. And so it just struck me as kind of a really a great place to begin. I mean, as your life has evolved.
to being married and now a mother and all of that. Your business has grown into this beautiful expression and having like really powerful impact in the world and you're a part of these amazing conversations. And I just, it just struck me. I'd love to just start there. Like, can you share a little bit about what even that has been like?
Sarah (03:47)
Absolutely. Well, I think to place ourselves in that moment in time back in 2008, you I was in my late twenties and I had a rent control department in Venice Beach and my car I had just paid for and, you know, so low overhead and I had taken out this, a sublease on a small studio to use as a painting studio. And I thought, this will be great. I'll get to do, you know, just my, for fun, my painting and do artwork there.
And having that space is really what began the journey of Left Field Labs. It really took that container to then have a space and the idea to launch what is now a 17 year old creative tech company. And I think back then I would not have been able to do what I've done today had I not been in a position of really being able to focus on myself.
and having the low overhead to take that big leap. And so I look at other really courageous mothers now that are starting businesses. And I really, I see the journey ahead, you know, and it is, it is, it's intense and so much does change as a mother. And my kids, I have two, one is 12 and the other is six. And they've been along this ride since they were born, of course. And so it really
become a family affair and so many learnings for us all together along the way. Yeah, 17 years in, it's a big challenge. You my daughter when she was maybe two or three, I would take her into the office and she'd sit there at the kitchen bar with some of our staff and she'd say, so are you a producer or a strategist?
Barbara Patterson (05:22)
Yeah.
Sarah (05:42)
But become part of who they are and understanding and seeing me and learning the vernacular and how I show up.
Barbara Patterson (05:49)
Yeah, that's so amazing. And I'm just curious, like, what did you see in the studio? Can you define, you know, articulate, like, what was it you saw that was the beginning of a new venture and this, you know, the sort of original spark?
Sarah (06:09)
that's such a good question because I think I had come from an agency that was a bit more.
traditional, even though it was a small boutique size interactive agency, it was â maybe not as risk taking. And it felt more comfortable, comfortable in more status quo type of projects and approach in a way. And I think in particular silos where I had a degree in design for emerging technology, but I was a sales person and I was running accounts.
And it was rather discouraged for me to apply my creativity or, you know, design thinking to some of the work. And I thought that's a real that's a moment for me to it's an inflection point. And I wanted to break free of what the silos felt. I wanted a bit more freedom to cross pollinate, to keep learning from different departments. And it also felt like that was something that us as humans crave. And so it was a theory that
I put to test, what if we created an experience and an environment for us to do our best work? What does that look like for the human? And what must be true for us to constantly feel challenged in a positive way? And so many agencies that I see are maybe challenging, but not in healthy ways.
you know, where there's high degree of politics or lack of clarity, personalities that I think can be, create friction where it's not met with right amount of support or guidance. And so those are the things that became clear to me that were solvable, you know, in creating environments where we could actually like feel good and feel supported and feel like we got each other's backs.
Barbara Patterson (08:04)
That's nice.
I'm curious before I want two things come to mind. One is I'd love to hear more like what you've learned about those environments. What are they? But also I'm curious as, know, over those years and those beginning years in particular, was there an aha moment or â you know, realization you had or maybe like something that didn't work out that you
helped you kind of see something differently. Yeah.
Sarah (08:36)
Absolutely. Yeah, several aha moments, but
one that comes to mind, is bringing an attitude and a mindset of, yes, we can figure this out. That yes energy is so critical to the type of work that we do. So Leftfield Labs is a creative technology company and we work with our clients to solve what I think is perceived as unsolvable challenges. These are highly complex
configurations and needs. One early moment in 2009, we had just been in operation under a year. And we had an opportunity to pitch Google for their first consumer device. And this was for the Nexus One phone. And at that time, this was before WebGL for photorealistic 3D representation on screen.
The ask was we want to build something that feels like you can touch it, that has a visceral feel. A lot of people in a lot of agencies would maybe go the other direction because it just wasn't quite possible to do. How do you do a full 3D render and that's 360, you can move this around. And I think bringing a mindset of there's a way, we're going to figure this out.
And if we need to hack it, we'll do what it takes. And I think that that marked also a clear moment for me in understanding that bringing that mindset is worth so much in partnership. And it also makes it possible. It makes it possible to launch experiences that the world has never seen before. And to this day, that's what we do. And that's why I think big tech and...
high concentration works with us because we can solve what is sometimes under â creatively assessed as what's possible.
Barbara Patterson (10:35)
Yeah, well,
I really love that. And in a lot of the work I do, I mean, that's really it too. It's fascinating to hear you talk because it's more along the lines of, like our minds are designed to problem solve, to be creative. And often all that's in the way internally is maybe a... â
blind spot, a shut down mind, discouragement, a too sped up mind, but really to kind of create that inner landscape that allows people to have fresh thinking and look at things in a new way. So I'm curious, like in your work, what that looks like for you. And this might get into some of the inner and external environments that you think help companies do that.
Sarah (11:23)
Yeah, know, so much of my time is in interpersonal dynamics as we evolve as leaders and managers within our organizations. And I think it's almost imperceptible. It's so nuanced sometimes how we relate as people and how it shows up for me is even
You know, I can, I can be surprised sometimes when there's a, there's no energy or resistance. And it's actually, you look at the thing itself and it's highly solvable and it's easy to figure it out. And you almost have to take the emotion out of the situation and just look at the configuration, the constraints, the variables. It shows up on my teams and where we have to really support and just bring a graceful reminder.
to each other around a bigger way to look at this, look at all of the variables that might be on the table before us and remind each other gently how we can work through it and solve it. I think there's a knee-jerk response typically around that's just not possible. And it's going to show up.
all the time and it shows up for me too in my you personal life as well and so I think from an interverse perspective it's bringing a level of observation and awareness and some humility too and a willingness to be curious and learn.
I think where we can recognize egoic patterns, for example, that's where it gets really interesting. When we can approach this from a place of being fascinated about seeing and recognizing a pattern within ourselves, and then also in helping and sharing our experiences with others. So this creates a flywheel effect.
And I think there's that vulnerability piece too, where then other people on my team feel safe to also catch themselves and have open vulnerable conversations around what we can constantly be improving because that's just the, that is always the constant is that we're evolving, isn't it?
Barbara Patterson (13:34)
Yeah, exactly. I think it's, know, what I hear and what you're saying too is it's true, like that resistance can show up in even just feeling a little discouraged or defeated or like you're saying just sort of like, nope, impossible. And I like that you're framing it as resistance versus yes energy because...
it's true that in the direction of what we don't know is where all the innovation is and the creativity. So to look in that direction, to be willing to, you know, kind of look in that direction, I think is such an inspiring and creative place.
Sarah (14:16)
Yeah. And you know, you're actually reminding me of something that has been a recent conversation at Left Field around how we do what we do. And someone said it really beautifully recently. He said, you guys live at this nexus of imagination and pragmatic execution. And that's really rare. And at a Stanford program that I attended a couple of years ago, what
what is called a level of ambidexterity, think, in looking at that blue sky, vision, all possibilities being possible, and also being able to apply real world understanding of how to execute is not something that most companies do, regardless of industry or...
size of company organization. It's a rare combination and it takes effort to really maintain that. But that's also part of the secret sauce because when you have ambidexterity to be visionary but also very pragmatic and grounded in real world needs, the two work so symbiotically together.
And here again is the flywheel â theme that's starting to emerge here in this great conversation. But one informs the other. understanding how to actually build something from a boots on the ground, this is what it's going to take, also informs our ability to think of and conceive of what's next.
And so I think that's the work also for us. It's that something that we really safeguard and maintain and as a team really need to make sure that we're always challenging ourselves to do that even better and bigger.
Barbara Patterson (16:01)
Yeah, I mean, would you say that that implementation phase is really just iterative all the time? So then our ability to stay open and, you know, creative and yes, energy even then makes such a big difference. There's the idea and then there's the day to day of putting it into form that I think also creativity gets undervalued there.
Sarah (16:28)
Definitely. And I think also what you're mentioning is that there's no state of perfection. I think that as engineers, as teams that are responsible for launching working experiences that go smoothly, we have to also recognize that this quest for perfection is not.
It's not realistic. What we do is iterate and we're constantly in a dynamic state of improving, of learning and of, you know, adapting in different ways because there is really no static at the end of the day or a fixed state of completion. And that's the other thing that we recognize. I think that actually, Barb, brings us back to the earlier
theme of being a parent too, because there's that. And I remember when my daughter was born 12 years ago, having a moment realizing that there's no such thing as being a perfect parent.
And that really amplifies when we bring that into our experience in a professional world as well, that we're constantly in a state of improving and listening, hearing what's working and what isn't working, and making adjustments. And so we also have to have that agile mindset to make things as great as they can possibly be.
Barbara Patterson (17:50)
So how do you help give yourself grace? Because I'm imagining as a leader and then as the company grows and then as the kind of â clients you're getting, the stakes get higher or more interesting, all of it. How do you give yourself the grace to know even all of that is iterative and day to day different?
Sarah (18:13)
goodness, what have I learned from, you know, taking a walk outside is probably one of the easiest, simplest ways, I think. Perspective, you know, I think the things that we can do to gain perspective and recognize the
Barbara Patterson (18:18)
you
Sarah (18:32)
the scale and scope of what seems enormous that we can actually manage. That really helps me bring more grace and ease to situations. Perspective sharing is also really incredible too. you know, sometimes we can perceive a situation to be, you know, falling apart at the seams when really it's not. you know, when we can share perspectives with one another, we really see what's good and what
is to be really championed and to maintain and with, you know, humility also improved upon. But, I think that that's the other part is this kind of we do it together mindset. And I know I would not be able to do this on my own at all. I've surrounded myself with teams of people that are brilliantly compatible and harmonious and also that we challenge each other too. We are not always in a
in a way that feels great. It can be, you know, sticky wicket of looking at things that we sometimes don't want to look at. And that keeps it real and grounded.
Barbara Patterson (19:45)
Yeah, I love that. And I think that that better together and that collective wisdom, you know, I love to collaborate. And while I'm technically maybe falling to the solopreneur, I've always done projects or client work that to me, it's exactly what you're saying. It's collaborative. And so I know that â you have a lot of really interesting perspective around this sort of collective wisdom and collective intelligence. And so
I'd love for you to share about that. if it makes sense, maybe that starts with the story of the Amazon and your trip to the Amazon. Okay, I'd love to hear about that. Yeah.
Sarah (20:24)
I'd be happy to talk about the...
Well, about a year ago, just over a year ago, I was invited by Lynn Twist and Bill Twist of the Pachamama Alliance. I first attended a gathering of minds from around the world to think about climate initiatives and how we can put our heads together to really create new systems and...
different ways of looking at the climate crisis and solving for this. And I formed a small team to incubate some solutions and some R &D.
And then I think what came out of that a couple months into that, I realized that I really needed to go to the Amazon rainforest with the Pachamama Alliance and Bill and Lynn and incredible â members of this organization. They do such great work there in the Ecuadorian.
rainforest and work in particular with the indigenous communities. And I this would be a really special, unique opportunity. What became so clear to me when I was there was how these systems work together. And we sometimes can see, you here in Northern California, I can see, but I'm not immersed in the way that I was in the jungle. And there you are surrounded by the rhythms and
There's, it's everything is larger than life and louder than life. And you can witness firsthand and see the cycles and see also the interdependencies. Now everything is so interconnected. And so it got me thinking about now in this, this new realm that we've ushered in, in the last couple of years with artificial intelligence.
how we typically, especially in the West, can see these newer emerging technologies as independent or against siloed. That is very much against my ethos. And so I've kind of made it a mission to break down those silos and look for ecosystems where there is mutual benefit. And it's also part of what we seek is finding that mutual benefit in any engagement that we do. So here we are again. And I was really
struck in the rainforest and observing how each â insect and creature and water is all connected in ways that once we start to observe becomes a really powerful reminder for us and how all things exist.
So as I think about now how we apply that to what I'm calling connected â intelligence or systems for collective intelligence, it's a powerful reminder that again, to separate artificial intelligence from human intelligence is one of the old patterns. How do we rethink this so that we create again where one informs the other and their feedback loops?
where always having a human involved and the input back to machine intelligence then becomes more valuable and more human and what the output becomes. And, you know, it's not limited to that binary setup as well. Start to, you know, think about the many of us as humans co-creating and co-creating with machine intelligence. So this is exciting. And I think that it takes some imagination too, though, to kind of overcome our own
predisposition to thinking about it in binary terms.
Barbara Patterson (24:10)
Yeah. And have you had a chance to play with that? And can you share any of the experience around that?
Sarah (24:17)
Yeah, we incorporate this now in most of all of our work. All of our work now has some degree of artificial intelligence.
where we are thinking about the audience and the individual human user input. A most recent launch we did for an insurance company, which is super exciting. It was a one and a half year â engineer initiative that we built from the ground up and really requires the human in the loop for ultimately.
machine intelligence serving up recommendations. And here's why we recommend this is where the gaps are in your insurance coverage. And for the human to then be able to make a more informed decision, to be more discerning and to do it that much more effectively and efficiently and to really think about it thoughtfully. So it doesn't feel like it's a
black or white, that this is a conversation. And this is something that when we can look at this together and look at all audience types and needs across how we employ the technology, that becomes a much more in-depth journey, really. So yeah, that's one of many different instances.
Barbara Patterson (25:35)
I'm curious if it makes sense to take a bit of a deeper dive here in the sense of something happens when two or more are gathered around an idea and as you said, learning each other's perspective. How do you see it? What occurs to you? And then you're all looking in the similar direction for something, whether it's a new idea, a new product, or vacation.
Right? know, where you want to go for vacation. But that there is something that seems to happen in the transfer of that, those ideas and the sharing. you know, I think it might have been a Napoleon Hill quote of like, you know, â a third mind gets created, like something, this collective intelligence kind of something that feeds all of us in that exchange. And so I'm curious, like, what do you
Sarah (26:26)
Yeah.
Barbara Patterson (26:33)
Based on what you've seen in nature and then with your team and then your clients, how would you articulate what's really happening there or how it happens even?
Sarah (26:45)
my goodness. Well, I would say going back to the jungle, what became clear is that there are ancient technologies that have been around.
for centuries, for longer than humans have been alive, that are all around us that we can learn from. And so that gives us perspective also when we look at the introduction of large language models that have just been available to us in the last couple of years. How do we look at these modern technologies through a similar lens?
and what can we learn from the ancient technologies that's relevant? And there's so much. Again, in the West, I think we underestimate that. And we typically see...
Modern technologies maybe is the be all end all. And we underestimate the power and significance of what has been there all along. And look at plant intelligence, look at the science of dreams. I mean, there are systems there and ways of connecting and learning and growing that we sometimes discount. So my recent inspiration has been collecting that wisdom and applying it now.
and applying it to these modern technologies in this now age where artificial intelligence is really reshaping how we do business and it's changing the experiences themselves, it's changing the websites and the apps forever more. We're now also able though to create experiences that feel more human, you know, and to relate in a more human way.
recent pitch â we just did really is changing the way we navigate. So for instance, I would typically need to know certain products as I go to a website that I may be interested in or that I may need to â learn more about and I would conduct a little bit of research on a different website and then I'd come back and do the transacting on. â But now we can actually search by predicament.
we can search by what the actual challenge or pain point is and deliver pretty instantly in a more human intuitive way what might be the best combination of products and why.
And it takes so much of the guessing and the journey of maybe going off to different rabbit holes for discussion. so I'm interested in how we create in the digital experience category what makes us feel more human and what makes us feel more connected to each other.
Barbara Patterson (29:30)
Yeah, you know, it reminds me in â I read something that you said a quote and I'm going to read it just to make sure I get it right. But it was â that bringing your whole self intuition with strategy, empathy with execution isn't just personally fulfilling, but it's driven your strongest growth.
And I think that, is it true you said that? And if so, it seems in the similar vein of what you're sharing here. I'd love you to talk more about that.
Sarah (29:57)
You can do
Thank you for bringing that up, Barb. Yeah,
well, first thing, think empathy is seen as weakness, which is so tragic because it's actually one of our strongest qualities that we can bring. And we are living at a time politically where it's seen as a weakness. But when we can bridge that and have what we do be informed by a deeper, not just an understanding or an awareness, but a true felt sense.
of what others may be challenged by or going through, it changes the game on how we think about solving any number of constraints or problems. And I just wanted to touch on that because I think, for me, that also became very clear as I became a parent, too, coming back to that, that it's actually a power.
And it's something that we leverage constantly. And it also takes, again, that degree of vulnerability of being able to really go in. So I learned many, many years ago that I had been maybe siloing aspects of myself, my personal life and my professional life. And I think that we as parents can do that often. But there came a point where I realized that that was actually doing a real disservice. And then the integration.
is so critical. It is so important for us. And whether that be in our spiritual development and our professional world, which is often, I think, shunned to cross the two or to even talk about that. But really, think in our own development as people, it is a spiritual journey. And it's not faith-based. It means that it's a willingness to constantly be like we're talking about exploring what's next for me.
How do I improve myself? And to be able to bring both of those to an integrated capacity as I show up, whether it's for a client engagement or a school project.
I know that I do better work, the output is better and I'm more fulfilled too. So it made common sense to me and it wasn't as taxing also that, you know, think that we can be exhausted when we try to bifurcate or compartmentalize. So, you know, when I catch myself compartmentalizing even, or trying to silo aspects, I realize the exhaustion that that takes, but also it's like, here's an opportunity.
And so showing up as one's whole self, I think it does mean examining all those parts that make us human. is also for me, it's about showing up with a great amount of heart. Thinking with the heart is one of my favorite sayings and I think setting the intention every day to think with the heart.
And it doesn't mean that our decisions are coming from an emotional place, which is often misunderstood, but it's coming from a place that's deeply in tune and also with a desire to understand and to support one another in a bigger way.
Barbara Patterson (33:15)
Yeah, I really appreciate you sharing all that because I think sometimes people do look at it as siloed or they look at it as like opposing forces that somehow if I'm more empathetic or human, it will mean I'm less successful and that's all myth, you know, and I even love like, yeah, how do we integrate
you know, sort of the multi-dimensional self that we are, right? Everything that we have access to internally. And part of that is the intuition and the ability to connect, the ability to listen, to have a deeper knowing, not just the data externally, which is important, but what's the data internally pointing me to?
Sarah (33:56)
Yes.
Exactly. And sometimes we just need to learn how to listen and observe. And it goes back to that experience in the jungle that I had. And I think firsthand being able to see, â the teachings are all around me and they're there just for the taking.
And actually, know, nature wants us to learn. And sometimes we're just blind and not seeing or can't hear what is trying to come through. So I think that's that is a constant reminder for us, for me. Where where might there be cues that I may not be picking up on? And how can I incorporate those? Because inspiration comes from everywhere, literally. And I think that's how the larger systems.
work best. That's how our best and most successful projects emerge too.
Barbara Patterson (34:50)
Yeah, it's so profound what you're saying. And I think if we could just all, you know, take that in fully, I think it opens up, like, and expands our world in so many ways. And I think...
as a result of that, we just naturally coming back to the yes energy that sort of we realized how resourced we are, how covered we are, how much we have access to that. Then it's like, yeah, we'll we'll find our way. We can keep moving in this direction. You know, I'll say yes to the continuation of that. Well, I have loved this conversation, but I want to give you an opportunity before we close. Is there anything else that's?
Sarah (35:23)
Yeah.
Barbara Patterson (35:33)
present for you or is there any internal nudge that you're getting that you want to share about or what's alive for you?
Sarah (35:43)
Yeah, well I think that, you know, the one thing I would just like us to always be thinking about, remind ourselves, is asking the question, how might we? You know, it shows up for us in our work and it, you know, how might we accomplish things that we perceive to be impossible? And how might we solve what we perceive to be unsolvable?
I get really excited when I think about that. And I love that Einstein quote around, you know, to solve any problem, you must go to a bigger place than where the problem exists. And I keep coming back to that. And in the spirit of this conversation right now, I just felt that that would be a good note for us to land on how do we go to a bigger place collectively to solve some of the most pressing challenges that exist for humans on this planet today? And how do we
use our time and our precious resources and our hearts and minds to solve these things that I know that we can solve, but it does take going to a bigger place. And it also takes going inward, doesn't it? As you know so well, and so much of that work is the interpersonal work. And that's what I love so much, Barb, about your
you're thinking too and in this conversation, it's an inside job as much as it is, you know, going to that bigger place as well.
Barbara Patterson (37:11)
Well, thank you so much, Sarah. â I've just been really inspired in this conversation and just want to say how grateful I am to know that you're out there leading these kinds of conversations and in those rooms and at the table of some of those places that are just so important and critical for us. So thank you so much for everything you're doing and for your time today.
Sarah (37:33)
Well, thank you, Barb. It is my pleasure and I look forward to more.
Barbara Patterson (37:37)
Me too.
Sarah (37:39)
Thank you.