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The lizards pair H. Upmann's Magnum 46 with Foursquare's 2009 Mark 17 Rum, holiday cigar sampler ideas and the history of H. Upmann in Cuba.
Released every Tuesday, the LOUNGE LIZARDS podcast helps listeners navigate the experience of finding and enjoying premium cigars (both Cuban and non-Cuban) and quality spirits. Episodes are normally around 90 minutes long and feature a variety of different topics including food, travel, life, sports and work.
The podcast features eight members: Rooster, Poobah, Gizmo, Senator, Pagoda, Chef Ricky, Grinder and Bam Bam.
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**Gizmo:** [00:00:00] Welcome to the Lounge Wizards podcast. It's so good to have you here. It's a leisure and lifestyle podcast founded on our love of premium cigars, as well as whiskey, travel, food, work, and whatever else we feel like getting into. My name is Gizmo, and tonight I'm joined by Rooster pba, Senator Pagoda Grinder, and bam bam.
A full house of lizards. And our plan is to smoke a ci. Drink some rum, talk about life, and of course have some laughs. So take this as your sixth official invitation to join us and become a card carrying lounge, lizard Planet. Meet us here once a week. We're gonna smoke a Cuban cigar tonight. Share our thoughts on it.
And give you our formal lizard rating. We'll also chat about holiday cigar samplers and some history of a storied Cuban marker among a variety of other things for the next hour. So sit back, get your favorite drink, light up a cigar, and enjoy as we pair four squares. 2009 Mark 17 Rum with h Chapman's Magnum 46.
A [00:01:00] wonderful Corona Gorda from H Chapman. A Cuban of course. 46 ring gauge by 5.6 inches. And, uh, just a wonderful cigar. Guys, I know that we all have had a couple of these now. I certainly smoke a lot. All right, let's give it a cut. See what we get on the cold. Draw a little bit of
**Rooster:** sweetness on the, on the wrapper.
**Gizmo:** Beautiful wrapper. Yeah, the wrapper's really nice. Mine's a little toothy. It's got
**Senator:** this reddish hue to it. Yeah, it's really nice. Let's give it a
**Gizmo:** cut.
**Pagoda:** Tastes
**Poobah:** like a graham cracker on the cold draw. Very
**Gizmo:** Grammy draws a little tight, but expected for the cigar. I feel like that's pretty consistent.
**Poobah:** Mine's wide open. It's very nice. .
**Gizmo:** Just a little bit of resistance, right. Little
**Grinder:** here, but I like that.
**Senator:** Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I feel like a number of us have smoked, have smoked a lot of these [00:02:00] and uh, it's a slightly snugger draw.
Not in a bad way, but yeah. I don't
**Gizmo:** mind bud. You guys ready to light? Let's do it. Let's do it. Oh yeah, the H up and Magnum 46 from Cuba. So these range anywhere between 10 and 15 bucks where you find them and they smoke pretty good young too, so, we'll we could talk about that, but. These are all 20 nineteens that we're smoking tonight.
Lot of flavor every time on the light.
**Poobah:** No ammonia. No ammonia.
**Grinder:** Still still graham cracker, but also
**Pagoda:** some spice.
**Grinder:** Delicious. Love it. Oh, it is delicious.
**Bam Bam:** It it
**Poobah:** creamy Graham cracker. I'm getting, yeah, and but it's salty too. It's got that. It's got that. It's got that. Yeah. Like that lip smack and goodness. Yeah, you're right.
You know what I. , it's
**Gizmo:** a full flavored experience. I mean, it, it kind of hits everything which is, you know, really nice on, on a Cuban. I [00:03:00] love this cigar. This is my favorite cigar. So I know that, uh, we've done the, which was Senator's Choice. This was my choice, uh, for our go around of everybody doing their favorite.
And this was, uh, this was mine. So this is the gizmo favorite. Is this the
**Poobah:** first oven that we've. . Yeah. Yeah.
**Gizmo:** Is this the first? This is the first. So, yeah, first
**Poobah:** of many. So what do we know about h h Chapman?
**Senator:** Well, I think the, the brand history is actually pretty fascinating about upk. Um, I'm happy to just walk through some of the stuff I've, I've read that I, I think is interesting.
So, I mean, h Chapman first of all is a brand, is one of the oldest Cuban brands. Uh, it was founded by a German banker. Herman Upk who came to Havana in 1843 to arrange business affairs for an import export business he was working for, based in Germany. Um, interestingly, while up was in Cuba before he ever made a [00:04:00] cigar.
He's actually credited with inventing packaging cigars in cedar boxes that we love and, and all like to store and age our cigars in today. The original boxes that he made were labeled with Huppman, his name on it, and he put actually other manufacturers cigars in it would apparently give it to clients and just people that he was sort of entertaining.
Fast forward. Then a year later, he buys a local cigar factory in Havana. Began producing cigars under the Ahman brand in 1844. At the same time, he began a banking. Initially catering to tobacco dealers and manufacturers in Havana. Ahman ran the business until 1890 and when he retired, what was fascinating is it was actually a family business for a few generations, so he handed the business over to his nephew, Heinrich Ahman, who operated the business until he died in [00:05:00] 1914, and then his nephew handed it over.
His two nephews, Herman Upk, another Herman Ahman in the family, and Alberto Upk. And the two of them ran it from there on. And, and then the rest goes on from there. The craziest part of the Ahman brand history. So there was a period of time where Ahman was, let's say it was a dark point in the brand history in Cuba because Herman Upk, uh, committed espionage.
Oh, so during World War I in 1914, The Ahman businesses in Cuba. So he had the bank, he had the cigar business, and then apparently he also had some business in the us. He concealed the workings of the German intelligence network through these businesses. They actually had German agents that he would have come through and house as Germany was trying to collect intelligence.
And so you fast forward to 1917 when Cuba declared war on [00:06:00] Germany. and the Ahman Bank, they shut down for 30 straight months. During this, in 1917, the Ahman company was named to the United States First Enemy trading list. All of Herman Oman's assets were frozen in the us. Eventually in Cuba, him and his brother were placed under house arrest.
And then finally when tensions deescalate. , he was free and was able to continue running the cigar business, but there was this very dark period during World War I where he was sort of persona non grata in Cuba as he was operating one of the most legendary cigar brands. That's fascinating. That is
**Grinder:** fascinating.
It's unbelievable. So was he a carrier of
**Bam Bam:** micro Fisch? Is that what you're
**Grinder:** saying?
**Senator:** There were no USB drives to load up then, but I'm sure he was doing a little bit of that.
**Gizmo:** It's a delicious, this is such a delicious cigar. I'm getting hints of all the other monds that we love to [00:07:00] smoke and we can talk about, um, what are you guys getting right now? Continued
**Pagoda:** creamy. Graham wrecker,
**Senator:** some cedar, you know.
Yeah, I'm getting cedar.
**Gizmo:** Little sweetness. Great combustion, great smoke output. Very nice. So we're, we're pairing this tonight with the four square 2009 mark 17 rum, uh, which is cask. S 120 proof 60% by, uh, wow. I mean, let's be careful.
**Senator:** Strap. I'm excited. Strap.
**Gizmo:** Invoice . Yeah.
**Pagoda:** Can I ask Senator a question? Let me, I
**Poobah:** before
**Bam Bam:** you do, you have cuts available,
**Poobah:** It's a lot smoother than you think. I have to say, Senator
**Grinder:** poured me. Quite a gratuitous.
**Senator:** I did not pour, for the record, that was a gizmo. That was a gizmo. Pour .
**Pagoda:** That was a gizmo. Poor me. Very generous.
**Senator:** That that was a gizmo sink pour. Oh my
**Gizmo:** gosh. It smells
**Poobah:** wonderful. Yeah, it,
**Senator:** it smells like Christmas. It's
**Pagoda:** the dust smells.
Oh
**Poobah:** my God. So it's really, it's a, [00:08:00] it's a very, so this is a really true spirit. It's a true Barbados rum. And what makes it really interesting is, is that, So first off, it's a limited release and every, every year, four square distillery out of Barbados, which is run by Richard Seale, um, who's a fourth generation distiller, um, out of Barbados, he, this is 30,000 bottles.
The allocation basically goes. , uh, the majority of it goes to the US and uk. Um, this stuff sells out pretty quick. This is a 12 year old bottle, and this is a legitimate age statement on, on this bottle. The, the rums age in X casc bourbon barrels. This particular, this particular Mark 17, this batch, but they also age, um, they [00:09:00] also age their rum.
Bourbon barrels. They age that. They age releases in cognac barrels. They age releases in sherry barrels, um, French Oak, uh, Zinfandel, and even in Syrah barrels. So they really, and so Richard Seale has kind of done this thing where he, he's kind of declared war on the rum business because there's this notion in the world of rum,
Sorry, I had to take a draw off the cigar. Um, where rum kind of doesn't have rules, like maybe scotch, cognac, bourbon and wine has rules, and basically his whole ethos, which he, he went on this journey, um, into the market in 1994. Um, Their [00:10:00] family's been involved with the sugar cane farm. Rum is made from the, the source materials is sugar cane, but there's no added sugar and there's no added color and there's no additives into this spirit.
It's a true spirit. Most of the rums that you're gonna see on the market, um, have additives. They have added sugar with fancy labeling and actually misleading label state. And this is, so he's really declared war since 1994 on the industry saying like, no, like that Bacardi with the, with the fancy label.
And some of this other stuff is really just your, the more sugar they add, the more they charge. And um, his point of view and his argument is that, Adding sugar to rum creates this illusion that it's, it's like covertly sweetened and [00:11:00] it's, it, it, it's like deceptive that you're drinking a straight spirit and creating this false loyalty.
Um, and these, these questionable and false age claims. So that's really the heart of what, what. What they do and also some of the things that go into it, to this process is the water on Barbados is actually particularly good. Like in Scotland, you know, the water that they're using, the starting material that they used to make these batches is limestone, filtered water.
There's a lot of limestone on on Barbados, and that rainwater is collected and. , they use the best water that they can find and go through the fermented fermentation process. The distillation process. And one of the unique things that they do is they actually, after the distillation process, they use a couple different types of pots.
They use coffee pots, they use copper pots, they do different things and they actually blend [00:12:00] at after the distillation process, and then they barrel. And proceed on with the aging process. And proceed the barrel to, to, to, to bottling, which is interesting. So it's, it's a, it's a nice spirit. Um, and I like it.
It's, I
**Grinder:** can't, I can't wait. Yeah, yeah. Let, I mean, just, let's try just the description and knowing the cigar, the balance in the cigar, the balance of sweetness, spice, and just smooth. I know it's gonna, you know, I'm sure it's gonna pair fantastically.
**Poobah:** I hope I, I hope so. I, I'd like it. Here we go.
**Gizmo:** Let's give it a sip.
Four square 2009, mark. 17. 12 year aged.
**Grinder:** I mean, I definitely taste the enhanced Wow. Alcohol
**Gizmo:** content. Wow. But it's so smooth though.
**Senator:** That is very smooth.
**Grinder:** It's delicious naturally. Pba Delicious. I don't, I don't get the spice though.
**Senator:** It's just too smooth to be spicy. I, I agree. I, I actually really, really like this [00:13:00] full flavor, smooth delivery.
Especially at, I mean, 60% alcohol. I mean, that stuff will kill you, .
**Poobah:** You'd expect, you'd expect it, you'd expect
**Senator:** it to really kick your ass, and it doesn't. It's actually a very smooth. For a cast strength rum. And I love the sort of brand story that you told and the ethos because, um, I do enjoy rum and I actually have some Caribbean blood in me and the, the only other brand that I know of in the Caribbean that doesn't add any sugar period to their, any additives.
And ironically, the whole limestone filtered water, like the stories are so similar is Appleton. and flavor profile wise. It's also pot still. They're rums. It's very similar to this. And I like Appleton Estate, a Jamaican rum, and this I would put right up there with it. Excellent.
**Poobah:** Yeah. From, from all the research that I've done, [00:14:00] I'm not, you know, we, we drink a lot of scotch here.
We drink wine, um, from all the research that I've done, Foursquare and Richard Seale, this is the, he's, he's up there with the greatest. Rum distillers in the world and it I, and it's pretty interesting and it's a nice change of pace, I think, and it pairs well with the cigar.
**Bam Bam:** I would drink this more often now.
It is so good. I'm surprised how good it is. It's delicious. Tasty, smooth. Goes great with a cigar. Wow. I
**Gizmo:** am surprised. I'm blown away. I, I'm surprised in the pairing between rum and a cigar. I mean, to me, I would, I would put that on my, my novice understanding of alcohol. I'm a scotch guy, obviously. I like, you know, champagne.
I like other things, but, you know, I would never have put rum at the top of that list. And this is pairing brilliantly with the cigar.
**Grinder:** Well, I, I think, I think it goes back to like, with like, like, you know, Cuban cigar. [00:15:00] or obviously Cuban rum is a very Cuban, you know, uh, spirit. You, you speak to any Cuban, instead of drinking a, a scotch at the end of the day, they'll have, they'll have a glass of rum.
I think it's, you know, it speaks to what we were talking about in previous episodes or, you know, even, you know, generally taking the different. I don't know if it's ter or if you know what the right word is, but it's, it's coming from the same source in a way. You know, that same aqua field, aquifer water, that's you're, you're we're drinking is also the same, you know, life giving source for the leaves of the tobacco, you know?
And I think that that kind of balances, I don't know, it's, it's just, it's a hypothesis I have at it. It's, it may not be true, but you can, you can surmise it. Could I
**Bam Bam:** get this at any bar? Do they
**Poobah:** have this stock? No. You know, they're not, you're probably not gonna be able to find four square by the, by the glass.
Unless [00:16:00] you're really at a place where there, you know, gotta figure 30,000 bottles. Like I went to, I went to Bottle King today. There were two bottles left. What is this? Run a bottle. It's 90. Wow. I would've expected it to be, It's not, oh, there are ones that are more, I mean, this particular release is 90, but there's other releases that are more limited that are 120, 140.
Wow. I just, I don't,
**Bam Bam:** I don't want to jump ahead, but I'm gonna get fucked up tonight. , I mean, it's like Punch . This is like drinking a kid's drink.
**Poobah:** It's so good. But it, but do you notice though, the thing that I noticed about it as we're, we're thinking about it and tasting it, is that it's much Dr. than what you'd, than than what you'd anticipate.
You know, when you think of rum, most rum, probably 90% of what you're drinking has added sugar. This all the sweetness comes from. So this [00:17:00] distillery is on a sugar cane farm. All rums made from sugar cane and different kind of byproducts of it, whether it's the liquid molasses and even sugarcane syrup.
But what makes this different is they do not add refined. They do not add sugar to the, to, to, to this. Um, and that's what you're getting if you drink a diplomatico. Okay? Which to me, listeners, if you like Diplomatico, feel free to hate me. But it's shit. It is absolute shit. This is an actual spirit that's distilled in an artisanal way.
and it's really something to be enjoyed. And if you, I I, I would recommend if you have a chance to have this with a cigar, um, it really pairs up really quite nicely and you don't, you know, you don't have to pound it, it just like, kind of cleanses the pallet and gives you that kind of sweetness. And I think it's a really, it's a really nice change of pace.
**Grinder:** and you don't, you don't have to dump the, uh, end of your cigar in the room. Right? That's, that's the still faux [00:18:00] pa .
**Poobah:** I will admit, when I first started buying this, and I really only bought it because, I'll just be honest, I did no research on it and I started buying this over the summer, and I'd buy a couple bottles at a time from Bottle King.
And, uh, and I'd sit on my, my porch and I would drink this, you know, and have a cigar. And at the end of the night I'd be like, oh my, I never looked , I never looked, I never looked at the label and saw that it was hundred 20 proof . And I'd be, I'd walk in the house, what's wrong with you? And they'd be like, I don't know.
I just thought, ah, and I just had a drink. Well, yeah, because you're basical.
**Senator:** That, that's the thing that's funny. In the Caribbean, they're known for these over proof rums, right? Over 40%, this is 60%. You can find the Caribbean a hundred percent rum, uh, uh, a hundred percent alcohol rum. And that's entirely normal.
And what's remarkable about [00:19:00] it is it's not crazy strong and intense where you feel it when you're sipping it in a bad way. You know, you have some of these cast. Bourbons or whatever the case may be. And you know, you've gotta sip it so slowly because, I mean, it just feels like your esophagus is just completely incinerated when you're drinking this.
And with some of these rums, it's really remarkable. I mean, I remember my grandparents would bring back, because you couldn't get in the US some of these Caribbean rums and things like that, and they're way over proof and, uh, they're, they're very, they're very smooth for the punch they pack. So I, I think a lot of people have been in the same situation, Bubba.
Absolutely.
**Grinder:** I'm, I'm, I'm getting a strong Jack Sparrow, Jack Sparrow vibes right now,
**Pagoda:** but I've,
**Gizmo:** why is the rum con ? I've always associated rum with like pirates and like ,
**Pagoda:** you know what I mean? Like, what the hell? I'm hearing the Pirates of the Caribbean theme in my head. You know, don't outta here, but this,
**Gizmo:** this shit is , but this shit is premium.
[00:20:00] It's really good stuff.
**Bam Bam:** Yaman.
**Grinder:** I'm not a, it's a good on the island, man. It
**Senator:** isn't Taboo's point about how this is, you know, a, a limited production type of, , they don't distribute a as far and wide as a lot of other spirits do. I mean, you go into a bar to BA's question of, can you find this in a bar? No. And can you actually find a lot of good rums and bars?
No. You're gonna find the things that are owned by Diagio and that are very widely distributed, like Bacardi and these others, you're not gonna find a whole lot else. So you've gotta be really purposeful in seeking out a rumbar that you may find some of the really nice higher end stuff like. , but it's not, it's not as easy as a lot of other spirits.
What, what is
**Grinder:** a good rum that you can find in the bar? So, in the absence of a Foursquare, what's a good rum you can
**Poobah:** find in a bar? You know, I'm, I'm not sure, um, to be honest, um, there is a rum called, uh, John D. [00:21:00] Taylor. Uh, and there's a rum called, uh, Doley that fall under the four square masthead. That's a little bit that, that's younger, that's not as strong.
So those are ones maybe we can seek out and review. Um, that fall that are distilled at the four square distillery, they distill, um, a couple of different labels that were about to go. That they saved, that they were, that, that were about to go out of business. And they, they, they actually saved those kind of, their approaches to rum and, and brought them into their, into the Foursquare Distillery in Barbados and have kept those brands alive.
And a lot of those brands are really like three and five year aged, um, rum that are used in some of the most famous cocktails, you know, in the Caribbean.
**Grinder:** I always found Mount Gay to actually be a good. Rum that you can get at any bar.
**Poobah:** It's pretty
**Grinder:** well known, right? Yeah. It's a, it's, and it's [00:22:00] not, it's not Bacardi, but I've always found Mount Gay to be a pretty solid bit.
You know, you, you can, it's not, it, you can sip it, you know, and, and enjoy it. Um, I don't know if that's I, who makes that or who
**Senator:** distills that. It's also from Barbados. Que is it, I mean, I would argue that Barbados and Jamaica make the best rums. , those are like the only two islands I would actually drink rum from.
**Poobah:** Yes, you're right. And, and and Barbados has some standards. They have some, they're
**Gizmo:** trying to,
**Senator:** same with Jamaica. That's what I'm saying. They're very similar. Yeah. They're really anal about rums have to meet these specific criteria. Right. Because
**Poobah:** what ends up happening is these age statements that are being put on, put on bottles are, are bullshit.
So like other brands Will, will actually. Something that's like, that they say is that's sat in a barrel for 25 years and they'll put, they'll put a few ounces in there and then fill the rest up with whatever and call it [00:23:00] 12 year aged. So this is the war that Richard Seal has waged on the wrong industry that he's made some waves about.
**Rooster:** Um, Ron z Coppa is. Well known. I don't know how, what kind of a ram it is. And the other question I have is, why do they add sugar if it's made from sugar cane and molasses? Why do they feel the need
**Poobah:** to add sugar to make it taste better for the sweeter for the consumer? Well, think
**Pagoda:** of it this way. When you,
**Grinder:** the distillation process wipes out the actual sweetness that you would think would come from distilling it from.
So like just, just distilling it from sugar doesn't mean it's gonna be sweet at all. Frankly. There's gonna be some elements that are flavor profiles, I'm sure, but that doesn't mean it's sweet. And you have these brands that, I mean, I get kind of worked up about it, but [00:24:00] Casamigos is a brand that we talk about here that.
You know, you have some celebrities to come in and say, we're gonna make a rum. They just fucking slam a bunch of sugar in it and say, this is our brand. And you know, they attach their brand to it and you know, their image or their celebrity profile to it and they sell it and it moves because, you know, Western capitalism, of course it is.
And that's the case. But the reality is it doesn't, it's not, to your point earlier on what this is, it's not true to the original. , you know, flavor profile of a true rum. And I'm sure, you know, I don't even know, I didn't know about what you were just saying about some of these other brands that take a very aged portion of it, dump it into something else, and blend it and, and then take the kind of weighted average of it.
You know, that's, that's really messed up.
**Senator:** Yeah. But to, to rooster's question on, you know, why, why do these companies add sugar? It's no different in wine, right? The, the tell when you have a cheap. that you, you [00:25:00] take a sip of and you say, well, that's very smooth, but it's really sweet. They add residual sugar and at least in wine you have to disclose if you're adding residual sugar.
But of course it's in like tiny, tiny print or sometimes not even on the bottle and you have to actually go to the brand page to see it. But no different than in rum. They do it because it smooths out all the rough edges. So a really good 12 year age rum like this or a really good bottle of wine that's got some age.
The age, just like cigars, it will smooth those rough edges out. And what some of these companies do that are trying to produce a really cheap product that people are just gonna go and buy, they just add sugar and make it sweeter so that it masks all those rough edges and imperfections. And that's, that's why you see that happen.
**Gizmo:** So we're coming into the second third here. For me, it's, it's smoking great, great combustion, great flavor. How's it working for you?
**Bam Bam:** Fantastic as [00:26:00] always. This
**Grinder:** particular line,
**Senator:** cigar, I had a beautiful white ash hanging on for dear life, the first third. It, me, me too, was great. Even burn. The flavors are, are still nice and consistent.
I'm enjoying this.
**Pagoda:** My, my only, my only, uh, comment on this is that it's not, uh, and I don't smoke this as much, but it's not very
**Gizmo:** s. You're saying from a combustion standpoint? Yeah.
**Pagoda:** And uh, you know, I do think, uh, like you mentioned, the draw is a bit
**Senator:** so, you know, there's resistance to the draw. And, uh, yeah, I actually agree with pagoda on that.
I, I don't think this produces a lot of combustion, and I do think that that's probably a product of that tighter draw. So if I had a criticism, and I very much like this cigar, I agree, there's not a ton of combustion and I, I almost wish there were more. I mean, a D four is a rib robust. , it's obviously fatter than this, but not, not by a whole lot.
And, uh, I definitely get a lot more combustion out of that.
**Rooster:** But on, on the flavor side, I would say it's a perfect [00:27:00] combination of spice and sweetness. And Cedar, and it's like a great combination of those two flavors coming
**Gizmo:** together. So they also make a Magnum 50 and a Magnum 54 in regular production. And then they did a, uh, limited release of a Magnum 48 at one point, I think twice.
They did it in the last few years, but, uh, that one's a little harder to get. But yeah, 46, 50 and 54 are the main three. And they all vary in flavor and, and, and. and profile.
**Poobah:** Yeah, they, they do. Um, the Magnum fifties are really different cigar than this. It's just, um, and we should talk about that. We should review that at some point cuz it's a good cigar.
Um, not to compare, but this Magnum 46 is really, I I, I, I enjoy the cigar. Um, for what it [00:28:00] is, it's. to me, I like this ring gauge from time to time. I, for me, it this size it. This is the, this is the best standard production cigar in this format for me that I like. And sometimes I just want this format. I want this 46 ring gauge.
I just want it at times. It just delivers something that's nice. It's a great, it's a great change of pace. Magnum 46, i is one of these types of smokes that like, kind of like a D four or ani. It's kind of like rotational. It's definitely something that, that, that can rotate. Um, for me personally, I I, I, I, I dig it.
So I think in the up
**Rooster:** line, the 46 and the 54 are closer. Then the 50 is a little bit mild to medium. 46 and 54 are a little bit more fuller.
**Senator:** [00:29:00] Yeah. I would believe that I, I've had the 54. I've never had the 50, but I feel like the 50 is very polarizing in the magnum line. Yeah. People either really like it or they, they really don't.
Yeah,
**Poobah:** you're right. You're right. I think that, I think that the. The 50 format may maybe, and I'm just hypothesizing, may have a little more of a harrow, a heavy more, little bit more, uh, la harrow in it. And, and, and it gives a little bit more punch where maybe the 50, because of the longer format, um, starts off a little bit, a little bit.
Kind of smooth and easy and that some, some aficionados may say, oh, well, it's maybe a more of a medium bodied cigar that builds and a little bit more of a journey because it's so long. Who knows? To each his own. We all loveman. I mean, it, I, I think it speaks to the versatility of this, of the market. They, they, it delivers a, it delivers a [00:30:00] little bit for everybody, whether it's the two, the Kanye.
It's a really good, it's a really good brand.
**Senator:** I have to say though, going back to the pairing, I'm not sure why this is the case, but after having this rum with this cigar, I would almost always wanna pair a Magnum 46 with rum. And there are few cigars that I would say that about. So I feel strange even saying this, but I've had this with Scotch countless times.
and it's been enjoyable, but I don't think the scotch has like elevated this cigar or been that spectacular pairing with this cigar. But this rum, for some reason is making this Magnum 46 more enjoyable than it normally is when I smoke it.
**Gizmo:** Yeah, it's a perfect pairing Puba, no doubt about
**Poobah:** it. Yeah, I, I would agree with, I would agree with that sentiment.
**Grinder:** Do you think, do you think this is a, uh, we're coming up on the holidays. Do you think this is a gift giving, uh,
**Poobah:** CI. That's a good question. I don't [00:31:00] know. Depends on who you're giving it to. I don't know if everyone's gonna love the Magnum 46. I, you, you, you know, this is like,
I, I feel like this is like a Cuban cigar, smoker's kind of cigar. Not that it's not approachable, but there's a little bit of, there's like a little bit of poke to it and. . I think the
**Grinder:** spice, I think the spice element really, you have to appreciate that and you have to kind of have a good palette for that in a way.
So,
**Senator:** I don't know. I have a different perspective. I mean, I, I don't think the spice is in any way significant or overwhelming. I think it's there, but I don't think it ever, I don't think it takes the lead in this dance of flavors that you get out of this cigar. And I think I would give this cigar to anyone who is a cigar smoker of.
level. You know, I, I think I would not give this to a novice who rarely smokes a cigar, but I think anyone who regularly smokes cigars, and [00:32:00] I've given this to friends who fall somewhere on that spectrum of they're a cigar smoker, whether it's one or two a week or more than that, and I've, I've always gotten a very positive reaction to this cigar.
So I, I would consider, A good gift for the holidays. So
**Rooster:** maybe include the four square with
**Gizmo:** this Perfect. ,
**Pagoda:** perfect gift.
**Senator:** Well, it does smell like
**Pagoda:** Christmas . It, it really does. It's, it is great.
**Grinder:** I was gonna say, I, it's, it's a rich, for me, it's a rich, rich flavor and rich flavor. I associate with the holidays.
There's a lot of rich food, a lot of, you know, indulgence in a way. and, um, you know, to, to Bogota's point, I, it's, it, it's, it's very Christmasy and, and I i i, it takes me back to the question, you know, before, what is a good holiday cigar gift? Right? Like, what, what do you like? What,
**Poobah:** there's so many
**Gizmo:** Yeah.[00:33:00]
Chef's sedition. Yeah. We've smoked a lot of them.
**Bam Bam:** I think it goes back to pub's comment, who you're giving it to, what cigars are you giving to a part?
**Poobah:** Particular person. I haven't think, I'll, I'll send you
**Bam Bam:** my list. It's a, I think this is a, a good looking cigar. It presents well, it would make a good gift for
**Grinder:** the right guy.
And
**Senator:** it's not, it's not a super full cigar that, that's why I'm saying this. I mean, it's universal. I've given this to, I'm thinking of two people in mind that don't like very full cigars that I've given this to, that they've really liked because it's medium and builds to medium fold. But I don't think this cigar ever gets truly,
**Grinder:** So, so what, so what would, what would you give not this cigar, let's say not, not, not this one, but what's a good, you're coming up on the holidays, you're thinking, you know, my uncle Bob, he really, I, I think he likes cigars.
He may not have the r the, the pate that we all lizards have. He may not [00:34:00] smoke as many cigars as we have. What's like a good, Hey, I know you appreciate this. We appre, I appreciate it as, , you know, let me share, share in this love of, of cigars with you.
**Senator:** I mean, for me, there are two obvious ones. Very, I think if we're going Cuban, I'd give him a D four.
And if we're going New World, I'd give him a Petron. Xci Maduro.
**Gizmo:** Yeah. How about a sampler? Well, that's what I did. My brother just got into cigars, uh, recently, and yesterday actually had delivered to him. I sent him six cigars and I sent him, you know, he hasn't had Cuban, he's never had a Cuban. So I sent him a Magnum 46, knowing we were gonna do this on the pod.
I sent him a D four, I sent him a ra, uh, Ramoni onus, specially selected. I sent him an H up in half. Corona the little one, which I think is a great intro, especially in the winter. It's so short and it's a great smoke. Um, and I sent them some patron drones.
**Bam Bam:** That's a beautiful sampler. Yeah, that's
**Grinder:** fantastic.
He was a drone. That's [00:35:00] beautiful. I love samplers. I really do love sampler . Maybe I'm an outlier, but. I, I love a good sampler.
**Poobah:** And gu
**Gizmo:** we are all your brothers, by the way. Correct. .
**Pagoda:** Listen, you have horse,
**Gizmo:** you have more crazy shit in your humidor than I will ever dream of. Absolutely. So let's not even, I'll, I'll take a sampler.
**Poobah:** Yeah, absolutely. I'm your brother. I am your brother. And, and my expectations have just gone up. All brothers for Christmas, . Because your hum your humidor rooster. Is you talking to me stupid ?
**Pagoda:** Are you
**Poobah:** talking to me is stupid. What's your most recent purchase,
**Pagoda:** rooster?
**Rooster:** Uh, I don't know, like a Arturo Fuente.
Short story. Maybe. ?
**Pagoda:** Uh, no
**Gizmo:** recent is in. What did you buy in the last 24 hours? List it. Nothing. Oh, you're so full of shit. Well, I bought a box of the Ramona. Yo. Gigantes. I saw that. Nice. Okay, so those are big boys, [00:36:00] right? Yeah.
**Poobah:** I wanted those big. So that's an example of a box that I wanted that you poached from me.
**Rooster:** I'm sorry. You can, I'll give you one. . . We can split
**Gizmo:** that box. How about that?
**Poobah:** Posted for 18 minutes. Rooster. If box is done,
**Pagoda:** it was
**Senator:** 18 minutes too long. , if we're splitting that box, let's do that three ways. , I saw that and I wanted that guy too. Okay,
**Rooster:** so no problem. That's fine. , we just talked about sharing and caring and it's the holidays.
Why not ?
**Poobah:** The, the
**Grinder:** rum? The rum is really amplifying the, the flavors of the cigar. I don't know whose idea it was to pair these specific things together, pba, but this is a phenomen. Phenomenal pairing. I think you should do
**Rooster:** more pairings with rum
**Gizmo:** than with Scotch
**Poobah:** and Rooster. I think you need to start to drink your rum or I'm gonna drink it myself.
Cause it's not cheap. It's a start. He
been,
**Pagoda:** he's been smelling it,
**Gizmo:** so he's been smelling it going. Going back to Senator's Point really [00:37:00] fast, I mean obviously like we talked about, I've smoked a lot of these cigars. I'm getting a totally different experience with the rum than I do with scotch. I mean, it's, it's, it's the same cigar, but it's such a different experience.
It's, it's a perfect pairing for the cigar. And I would like, like he said, like Senator said, I would almost prefer rum over a good rum, a good rum with this stick.
**Bam Bam:** You know, we're all raising our hand to talk. I mean, I am a fan of rum now and I never was before. This is really quite, quite good.
**Grinder:** Really quite good.
My, I mean, my, my point is that maybe, maybe cigars are meant, Paired with rum as opposed to scotch Maybe. Maybe. That's good.
**Senator:** Let's not go too far. .
**Pagoda:** A second take. Maybe we go
**Poobah:** down that path. Take a trip. Take a trip to Cuba. You need
**Pagoda:** you. Hey, life is about
**Grinder:** variety, right? You gotta, you gotta
**Poobah:** balance.
**Rooster:** So have you guys tried any of the Cuban Rums, Havana Club?
**Gizmo:** I have not. Seven
**Senator:** 11 year. I have because they have it. So I, I was in Greece earlier this year and they have all the Havana Club is [00:38:00] distributed out. I was not impressed, to be honest. No, huh? In mojitos. Yeah. I think it's a lot of hype. A lot of hype. I mean, you see guys on the secondary market that we buy Cubans from that even have sourced a lot of this, um, Havana Club and they'll resell it.
And it's a lot of hype. It's a lot of hype. It's not great. I just
**Rooster:** remember in the past getting pretty hammered on Hamana Club . We had just come back from Mexico and uh, we finished like two bottles amongst like maybe
**Gizmo:** four guys.
**Senator:** Well, the funny thing is everything I've read, I feel like decades ago, the rum they produced was outstanding.
I mean, arguably like best in the world, best in class. And I feel like all of a sudden there was this tons of hype and I think that they realized they could cut some corners and probably just distribute much more widely. And it's not the same because what I've tasted in the last 10. Is not that impressive.
But there are guys that will talk about bottles that they've had years well before that, that they are [00:39:00] so passionate about. And I think something's
**Poobah:** changed. Yeah, it's congruent. Cigars, Cuba, sugarcane, it's, it's rum. It's all from, it's all cultivated from the same GMOs. Uh, what's gmo? What, what is a gmo,
**Rooster:** genetically modified.
**Poobah:** They don't do that in Cuba. What? They don't, they don't do GMO what you talking,
**Senator:** they don't do that in Cuba. That's
**Poobah:** the thing in Cuba, gmo, they, they're, they're using. , they're, they're like, uh, just turning over. I'm talking about soil with they synthetic American sugar. They're just, they're turning over soil with a mule and a cart
They're do a
**Gizmo:** gmo, they're still driving cars from the fifties. You're right. I mean, have
**Pagoda:** any, to his point,
**Senator:** Tipa point, they, they are in Greece. They're, they're not using GMOs. They don't even know what a GMO is. So Monsanto has
**Rooster:** not quite
**Gizmo:** reached there. They're getting there. . They'll get there. It's
**Pagoda:** an untapped market.
They'll get.
**Gizmo:** That's on the, uh, that's on the growth. That's on the growth land. That's on the, uh, the slide
**Poobah:** deck. Richard, this is no [00:40:00] secret. Ruen ru and
**Pagoda:** Cuban
**Poobah:** rum or rum, rum and ci rum and Cuban cigars. It's like beer and pizza. It's, it's, it's, uh, it really is. I mean, so I think it's overdue that we, you know, we get caught up in the, in, in scotch.
So I think this was a nice thing to, to, to bring to the, you know, to bring to the table and talk about and, and pair up because it does pair great.
**Gizmo:** You know what's interesting about this? We were just talking about hype, and I've never heard of Four Square before. Puba talked about it. As we were preparing for this episode.
I was looking at friends of a Bonos, uh, on the forum there, and a lot of guys were listing their Christmas wishlist, like different cigars and alcohol and stuff. They're looking. , you wouldn't believe how many times Foursquare came up from these guys that are trying to find it and can't, namely in Europe and Australia.
that they're having such difficulty finding it. Like you had said, it's not distributed as
**Poobah:** widely there, but if they're limited release bottles, yeah, they, they really [00:41:00] stick to distribution in the UK and the US because those are the biggest markets. So yeah, they may have a hard time in certain parts of Europe, in certain parts of, uh, of Australia in particular that they're probably not getting allocation.
There you go. Let's
**Gizmo:** source
**Poobah:** them. They need to fly in and go to
**Grinder:** bottle. I mean, I, I, I, I've, I've always had great drinking experience
**Pagoda:** in the Caribbean. . It doesn't matter if I'm drinking beer,
**Grinder:** if I'm drinking rum, whatever. It think it's all
great.
**Senator:** It's always rum. Well, I mean,
**Gizmo:** is you're
**Senator:** on vacation.
**Pagoda:** Even Red Stripe.
Red Stripe is such a fantastic beer. Like it's, it's, there's Jamaican beer.
**Grinder:** It's a Jamaican beer. They're, it's, it's got a Pilsner style, but it's not too, it's not too o it's too sweet. It's. It's, it's very true to what it is. There's no added sodium like you have, you're, you're not gonna have any kind of that, you know, uh, preservatives in it.
It's, it's, it's straight off the line and you drink it and it's fantastic. And, you know, I mean, I, I [00:42:00] honeymooned Jamaica and I, all I did every day, we had a little hot on the, on the water and I would. I would, I would
**Pagoda:** start drinking red stripe at like nine
**Poobah:** o'clock in the morning. , .
**Grinder:** And,
**Pagoda:** and, and we'd be on the beach and we'd go to the pool and then we'd go
**Grinder:** back to our little hut and then we'd go back to our, a beach pagoda thing.
Pagoda. Uh,
**Poobah:** beach pagoda. A
**Gizmo:** beach pagoda. A beach. Pagoda. .
**Senator:** You got shanked on the got snap.
**Gizmo:** I was just gonna
**Pagoda:** say that you get stabbed when he was sitting. But, but like, and
**Grinder:** it's, and it's, it's, it's true. You know, we talked. Maintaining the organic nature of the stuff we consume here. Oh, yeah. Wine, beer, rum, whiskey, whatever.
The Jamaicans, they
**Poobah:** do it right? Oh, you know. Oh, they know organic . ,
**Pagoda:** yes. There's lots
**Poobah:** of organic material. Dude, I've been down there. We're like, I'm swimming and a guy. Pops up out of the water with bracelets and like dine bags. He's like, . [00:43:00] Hey man, you want the party ?
**Pagoda:** I'm like, yeah,
**Poobah:** sure. He's like, my name's Joshua.
What's your name? I'm like,
I'm like, Puma, what do you got? He's like, I have bracelets for your pretty girl.
**Pagoda:** And they got a dive bag for you,
**Gizmo:** So this cigar has been around since the early two thousands and has gone through some, uh, several iterations. I mean it, when they first released it, no bands. Then it went to the traditional old brown UND band. And then, uh, they moved to this double banded with the classic up men that you would find on a Sir Winston or any of their other cigars.
And then the second band with the Magnum 46. It's been around quite some time and people love these cigars, man. And they're not, they're not that expensive. I mean, you can get 'em for between 10 and 15 bucks. I mean, for what it is. I mean, it's a great value. So, so [00:44:00] what, what makes it a Magnum? That's a great question.
I don't know if that's ever been disclosed. What makes Cuba?
**Poobah:** Cuba? I don't know who the hell knows. I, it's gotta be flavor,
**Gizmo:** right? It's
**Senator:** magnum, I think it's flavor. It's gotta be flavor. That's the thing. You think of the UPK line and what they had before the Magnum line, I. They weren't as full flavored as this Magnum 46.
And I think that was, I mean, you think the Magnum 54, that's a full-flavored Cuban. So I think it was meant to signify this is gonna pack some more flavor and more intensity, but, but not the
**Rooster:** 50. That's
**Senator:** true. And that's why I think that's so polarizing because it almost doesn't fit in the line.
**Poobah:** Right. The magnum see, it's pol Yeah.
It's polarizing. It's, it's, I mean, to
**Rooster:** me, mag. Kind of defines that it's a bigger ring age, but
**Gizmo:** this is a 46 ring age. But to me though, like Magnum to me, because I've, you know, versus other monds, and you guys may disagree with me. I think some of the other monds, they knock on the [00:45:00] door. I think this kicks the door in with flavor.
I don't think it kicks the door in with strength. It doesn't kick your ass, but it makes itself known from that first light. It's, it's a full flavored cigar. Not full strength, but full flavor. There's a lot going on here. I think it's a
**Rooster:** medium. , but very
**Gizmo:** flavorful flavor-wise, it's, it's there. Definitely. And I mean, Puba, you're a, you're an upk, you are a major Upk fan, obviously, of the Upmanu.
That's your what, top three, top five cigar? What happened to Kanye? Kanye,
**Poobah:** yeah. Uhoh. That's one of my top. I mean, there's no uhoh. It's just I love, I love the Commiss. I, I don't know. There's, there's a little uhoh. No. Well, I mean,
**Senator:** you were very bullish and then all of a sudden you, you got a little quieter
**Poobah:** on the Kanye.
Well, because I hoarded them. ,
**Pagoda:** you know,
**Poobah:** it's because I'm not, and I mean, I'll be honest, there's, there's, I think there's certain cigars [00:46:00] from up Upton that are, are really well suited for aging. One of thems the two. The two, the two is a cigar. I'll ask the group of questions. Do you see, is the, is the atman number two ubiquitous?
No. No. It's hard to find. No, it's not. People buy those boxes and they snatch 'em up and they put 'em away in their humidor and they do it for a reason because that's, that cigar really sets up to, to, to to age really well. And when you have a a a a Lub 20 14 20 15, you, you. Today it's really, really a well regarded cigar that's known to AgeWell.
Um,
**Senator:** thank you. Thank you for offering for us to review those next week. Pba. It's
**Poobah:** in the sample. You know what? Maybe we'll do it. It's in the sampler. Uh, you know, we should do it. Uh, um, but, but that's the hard cigar. That's a hard box to find these days. [00:47:00] So, and with the conno sore, that's another cigar. I think that just needs a little bit of, it's a la la Casa de Havana.
It needs a little more time too. Just, it needs to set up their, their bigger ring gauge cigars. This is kind of the 46, um, it, it, it, it'll give you, you know, you can smoke these younger and they're really, really good. And you get all that thing, all that, all that, all those signature up and flavors, um, you know, sooner in, in a more convenient, kind of steady rotation way.
And I, I, and I don't think that's a knock against those other, those other vitals or releases. It's just the way it is. It's, I mean, I,
**Gizmo:** I bought a box of, uh, 20 ones this week. I got them. and I don't plan to touch them for years two. Yeah. Up and twos. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
**Senator:** So can I, can I wage a small complaint with this stick?
Yeah, go ahead. . I've had a lot of [00:48:00] these and smoking this right now. I, I do wish the draw were a little looser. Hmm. We're a little more open. I, I feel like, you know, there's that resistance and I'm not sure that I, that's ideal for. . I don't think it's, I don't think it is so bad that it completely, you know, ruins the experience, but I wish that there was a more open draw.
Like when I light up a RAs or a D four or, I mean plenty of Cubans.
**Rooster:** I don't know. Mine's not bad. Mine's not bad. It's not that loose, but it's
**Gizmo:** not like overly tight. Mine's fine. Actually. No, mine's not overly
**Senator:** tight. You just have to pull a little more than you would. I think a lot of the other Cubans that we smoke, I actually prefer my preference, prefer I
**Rooster:** prefer a little
**Gizmo:** bit of
**Rooster:** work.
you know, when it's too loose, I feel like it's just, it's too loose. I, I, I, I mean, maybe, maybe yours says a little tighter than this. It's very possible. So, I mean, this is a hand rolled stick, so
**Gizmo:** can happen.
**Poobah:** So how was the ser the [00:49:00] 2017 Sir Winston, that I gave you the other day that was outstanding From, from whistle to whistle.
**Senator:** He's outstanding. I said to Gizmo, he was with me when I smoked that I, I had mixed feelings on the Sir Winston, the first one I had, which ironically I think also was from Puba. Um, in that I really liked the flavors I got from it, but I wasn't sold that it was this spectacular experience that a lot of Cuban aficionados would say that a Sir Winston, , but that one you gave me, I finally, I said to giz, I said, now I see why people pursue this cigar aggressively, and I almost wish I didn't have this, because now I need to find a box in them.
Oh, yeah.
**Gizmo:** And that's another cigar that really needs aging. You know, you, you get a box of that. You, you really don't want to smoke a Sir Winston off the truck. You want to let that sit for what, four or five, six years? At [00:50:00] least those,
**Poobah:** yeah. You, if you're lucky enough to. Let it, let it just, yes. You take one out.
Every, you know, you want, you want four, you want three, four years that, that's what you want to do. You know, that's a special cigar. They, they come and then they're gone. You know, you, you, you don't wanna, You don't see them that often. You don't see them that often. You just don't. So, and they're not cheap either,
**Gizmo:** you know, and they're very expensive.
And I mean, from an up men standpoint, I mean, but they
**Poobah:** are with amazing. Like when you sit down and you smoke one, like that's a real, that's a real trip.
**Senator:** It is. And it's funny because in contrast to the Magnum 46, we're all smoking now. The Sir Winston, and I feel like a lot of other h Chapmans, they're. Mild, medium, smooth, creamy, elegant [00:51:00] cigar.
And what I like that Ahman has been able to do with their brand is there's such a range, I feel like, within ahman of intensity of flavor, where a Mag 46, I think packs a lot more flavor than a Sir Winston does. And I love that you, you just, there's something for everyone it feels like to me in the up in.
Which is really nice. It's
**Rooster:** a very complex balanced smoke. Yep.
**Senator:** It has got a bit spicier
**Poobah:** towards the end for me. It really has. Yeah. It's, it's a lot more spicy. Um, but this is a really good utility. It's a utilitarian kind of nice. It's so, it's something in your rotation. I, I think every, every humidor should have a, have a ca little cabin in there ready to, ready to.
**Senator:** Can, can I, sorry, this is completely off topic, but how we light our cigars? I [00:52:00] think a lot of us use butane lighters. There are a number of guys that prefer matches. I will never understand how I've been in multiple cigar lounges. The reason I'm venting about this, I was just in a cigar lounge in Houston this week that I went there.
There were no matches anywhere to be found. I bought. Very pricey cigars there. I think you all know the davit offs I'm talking about and no matches. I asked for a lighter. Well, you know, we'll have someone come around, they don't like to really give out the lighters. And I finally, they, they lit my cigar.
Okay, great. And I said, can you just leave a thing of matches? So if I need to touch up my cigar, I can do that. And they said, we don't have any matches. We don't, we don't give out, ma we don't, we don't do matches. How on earth it's
**Poobah:** fucking lunacy. This is possible. It's fucking lunacy, and, and, and, and I love matches and I always, I, I, I like to use matches.
I, I used to travel with more matches. I think lighting a cigar with a [00:53:00] soft flame is actually the proper way to do it. If you don't have wind competing with you, you should probably light a cigar with a soft. In my view,
**Rooster:** and it's an issue when you're traveling, you can't carry a lighter.
**Poobah:** Right. You can't carry a lighter.
Yeah. I mean, I
**Senator:** couldn't believe I, the, the reason this really pissed me off is because I was in, so this was Houston. I'm telling you about that. I was frustrated. They said, we don't carry matches. We don't do matches. I was in Pittsburgh once, first time. I've only been to Pittsburgh once. I actually had a good experience there, so credit to Pittsburgh, I've had a very negative impression of that city, but they're ballpark there for their baseball team.
Fantastic. You'll pay $15 and you'll literally be sitting first row behind. That's awesome plate. It's unbelievable. That's, and there's a cigar lounge in Pittsburgh that is three blocks from the stadium. Perfect setup. You go watch a baseball game, you can have cigars right after. And it's some Rocky Patel.
And I know, you know, cue the Rocky Patel vitriol in this
**Pagoda:** group. . And
**Senator:** [00:54:00] it's, the crazy thing is I go to this cigar lounge. It's actually a beautiful lounge. I've got this big marble bar in the center of the lounge and I, I buy some sticks from them. I order some drinks and I'm sitting there and I'm looking around and I say, okay, no matches on any of the tables, no lighters.
I call someone over can do you have a lighter on you that I can light my cigar I just bought from? No, let me ask someone else. They ask another person. No, they don't have a lighter. I finally have to bring over the manager. 20 minutes has gone by, manager comes over and I said, I'm sorry, I just spent X dollar amount here.
I still haven't even lit my cigar. How are there not matches on the table? And this woman says to me, Rocky Patel does not believe in matches as if I needed another reason to disqualify Rocky Patella as a brand. I mean, it's just
**Poobah:** fucking. Well, I mean, at least, at least provide spills, which are easy for any cigar store to provide.
I mean, you can make your [00:55:00] own from anything.
**Senator:** I, I feel like I was gonna have to rub twigs together to get my cigar lit. Yeah. .
**Poobah:** Yeah. You know, a spill, uh, I used to bring, I used to carry spills to the lounge and, you know, uh, but who knows? That's
**Gizmo:** a pretty dopey. ,
**Senator:** Justin believe it matches. How do you think cigars were lit before we invented butane lighters?
I mean, none of this makes any sense. No. So,
**Rooster:** you know what I do like when I travel the first stop is at like a Dollar Tree or one of those places and get a, get a butane lighter for like a dollar 52
**Senator:** bucks. They don't sell butane, they just have like the Bic cigarette lighters, not the bic, they have the
**Rooster:** butane ones.
Really?
**Senator:** Yeah. All right. I'm gonna gonna take you up on that. I'm gonna start doing this.
**Gizmo:** Lot of, lot of,
**Pagoda:** a lot of meth out there, lot of meth, lot of guys,
**Poobah:** team, team. Crystal meth is all over. You know, you, you, you stand outside. When I go down to South Florida, [00:56:00] which I do quite often, I mean you can see coo. Out there and, uh, missing teeth, uh, with the, with his, with his pickup truck and, and, and, and the Mountain Dew Grill.
Uh, just waiting, uh, with his butane lighter. So they sell him . They sell him .
**Gizmo:** All right, boys, we're coming to the end of the Huppman Magnum 46. Are we ready to, uh, give it a rating? Oh yeah, I think so. Everybody ready? Rooster, you're up. Yeah. Let's start with Bam. All right, let's mix
**Senator:** it up. Is that right? Other Saturday?
Let's mix it up.
**Poobah:** I'm at an eight
**Gizmo:** grinder. I'm at a nine. Pagoda eight,
**Senator:** Senator. Eight.
**Gizmo:** I am in an eight. Borderline nine, but an eight. I'm in an eight. Same eight, 8.1.
**Poobah:** There you.
**Gizmo:** It's a solid [00:57:00] recommend. Solid recommend. Oh yeah. On the Mag 46, you know the presentation's nice too. It comes in a 25 count. Slide lid box, cedar box stacked.
They're not stuffed in a dress
**Senator:** box. I gotta say the most surprising rating here to me was Gizmo. I
**Gizmo:** love the cigar, ma'am. , but you gave it an eight. I did. I I wish I, I, I should have given it a nine.
**Senator:** What knocked it down for you? I'm actually, I'm very
**Gizmo:** curious. I've had to touch it up a a few times. The draw is not as incredible as I would like.
And under a microscope it's an eight. Under a microscope it's an eight.
**Senator:** So that's still a strong recommend. I, I, it is. I think I'm the one I've said this many times. Anything over an eight. Mm-hmm. . If you're a listener, you should go out and smoke. Yeah,
**Bam Bam:** absolutely. And I'll say that this is a cigar that will all smoke on a weekly basis.
Absolutely. There's no doubt about it, regardless of the rating. 8.1 is a very good recommend. This is a weekly smoke. No doubt. And it
**Gizmo:** fits anywhere in the [00:58:00] rotation too, right? Oh, yeah. At beginning of the night, end of the night, whatever you wanna do. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You know,
**Poobah:** it works really, really well. No, no doubt.
Always a box in the humidor. Always. Yeah.
**Gizmo:** Fantastic cigar. All right, boys at 8.1 on the Magnum 46. And uh, we'll see you next week. Thanks. Thanks so much for joining us tonight. Hope you enjoyed it. Don't forget to leave us a rating and subscribe on your favorite podcast. If you have any comments, questions, if you wanna reach out, say hello.
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