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Ryan explores real-life issues through honest conversations with guests. As a pastor with over 20 years of experience, and the Senior Pastor of New Life Church in Witbank, Ryan delves into how a God meets us in our struggles, offering practical insights and transformative stories. It’s engaging, relatable, and aimed at inspiring real change.
Riaan Swiegelaar 0:00
For 15 years, I was involved in the occult as a professional practitioner. For five years after that, I was involved in Satanism, and I was also the co founder and spokesperson for the South African satanic church. How much is going on?
Ryan Langkilde 0:16
What's happening in our country when it comes to Satanism and the occult. I mean,
is there, is there more going on than we realize? Yes, what do you think the church should know about the activity, okay, of the occult here in our country, in our country. So the first thing I want to say, I
Hello guys. Welcome back to another episode of Real talk, real change. And I hope this series has been blessing you, if it has just consider pressing that like button or that follow button or send it to someone that you think it could bless. And it's been lovely hearing some of your feedback. And I know today is going to be a power session, because we have someone in the house that I think has a power story. And you know, this whole podcast is really about just having very real conversations about real things. And we know that there really is a spiritual realm. I think sometimes we live like there isn't, but there's a spiritual realm that's very real. In fact, I think, more real than this physical realm. And so someone who's had experience on both sides of that battle is with me today in the studio. Mr. Leon sukhar, welcome to Real talk, real change. Thank you so much. Such an honor to be here. Thank you for having me. I'm very excited about our conversation and to see where God takes it and what God wants to do with it. I agree, for those who maybe don't know some of the behind the scene things here, with what we do, we really don't plan a lot. And so, you know, we have a general idea where we want to go, but we really want to be open to where the Spirit kind of leads us today. And so rihan, maybe, for those who maybe don't know you, even though you've you know your faces in a lot of places, but I'm sure there's people today being introduced to you for the first time. How would you introduce yourself? Like, what would you say is your story? So I would say,
Riaan Swiegelaar 2:19
for 15 years, I was involved in the occult as a professional practitioner.
For five years after that, I was involved in Satanism, and I was also the co founder and spokesperson for the South African satanic church until early 2022
when I had a radical experience with Jesus. So I worked for the devil for 20 years of my life, okay?
And once I was confronted with that love of Christ, and I actually experienced it, and because it was so real for me, there was absolutely just no choice but to follow him. So since then,
I've been sold out to Christ. I want to be a ambassador for the kingdom Amen, to show people, especially people who are in bondage, what the love of Christ actually is, and that it is something that's real. Well, I think you can say you're sitting here today as a product of God's love, 100% God's love, you know, literally ripped you out of the kingdom of darkness, yes, put you in the kingdom of light. Yeah. So,
Ryan Langkilde 3:38
I mean, what did you what a journey, right to to go through, to have that experience with God, to realize God's real, but not just that he's real and powerful, but that he knows you, yeah, and he loves you. And I think your testimony has really
ministered to a lot of people, and it's it's showing people really what the gospel is. You know that so, so I remember watching you a few years ago. I'm not sure when it was, but you were on the news, and I have a distinct memory, because I was kind of shocked by what was on the news. So it was your face talking about a satanic church that you're going to be opening in Cape Town. Yeah, I don't know if you open more after that, but that's the one that I remember.
And just looking at this guy on the news thinking, Okay, Lord, you need to do something now, you know, like, Please, Lord, we don't want this in our country.
Riaan Swiegelaar 4:27
I think you put yourself actually in the firing line of 1000 prayers more than that. Yeah, yeah. Because you know what, something that I, that I struggled with the first year of time, made Christ I'm somebody that that kept playing over and over in my mind space, and it was mostly the enemy as well. But was like, why would Jesus, um, come to me and meet me? And literally, why would God, God run down like water to where I was? Why? Why me? Yeah. And.
God showed me that 1000s of Christians around the world, not just in this country, around the world, were praying for me because my face was so public and so everywhere, yeah. So I also say God loves working behind the scenes, yeah, and in the details. So, yeah, I mean, I mean, that is just, it is a proof of prayer. And another thing about I would say, as encouragement for Christians, is that we should never take prey for granted, because it's so available and free, but the power that lies in prayer and intercession, yeah, it is one of our most powerful tools in spiritual warfare as well. Wow, it's prey, and you're a product of that. Yes, you know, so I love that God, you know, in our country, has radically, almost like a Paul story,
taken someone who was so lost in darkness and public about it and very proud about it, and, like, up very openly practicing the course in Satanism. Yeah? And God's like, I want to save that guy, yeah, you know, of all people, because what is something that actually no one's beyond reach, but exactly, I think religious people would look at someone like that and say, there's no hope for that guy, yes, and he's an enemy of God, yes, and he's an enemy of the church. And like, our battles against him, yeah? But I think your testimony is a reminder that our battle is never against flesh and blood as as Ephesians, it's in Ephesians six. Our battle is not against flesh and blood, yeah. And I think that is a wake up call as well. But I mean, again, it comes back to Scripture. These things are in Scripture anyway. Yeah, it's just when we read it and we don't really know, we don't have a revelation of it, and that's why it's so important to let the Holy Spirit open scripture for you, like with a key, yeah, and then you realize that, but it's not people. And I always say we have to remember that we are created in God's image. Amen, God created each person on this planet in his image, so even if they're Christian or not, right? So if we look at the world and we see what's going on,
it's not in people's godly, creative, not created nature to murder and to rape and to do things. There's another influence there. Yeah, there is. That's why we have to pray Amen. We've got to see that yes, and I love and I think for anyone listening who maybe believes they're beyond hope and they're beyond redemption and that God could never forgive them, that God could never value them or love them, I think sometimes picture that people picture God as looking at them with disappointed eyes. And I think today is a good reminder to say, God doesn't look at you like that. I know a lot of people struggle to believe that, yeah, that God actually loves everybody equally. And I also I have some atheist friends and, well, I had more at one stage, and they're not atheists now anymore. Hey, praise God. But I say the ones that's still atheists that I'm in contact with, so they would often say to me, but you know, if God loves us that much, why does he send people to hell? And like No, God gives us a choice. Yeah, God doesn't send us to hell. God gives us a choice, and we have a choice that is Jesus Christ, yeah, to come to God. That's the only way to come to God, by the way, is, I know you through Jesus. Is through Jesus Christ, because of what Jesus did for us on the cross and with the resurrection, we have that choice to enter into the kingdom. And the kingdom of God is not a gated community. Yeah, it is open, yeah, to everybody, beautiful, and this is a gift, because we couldn't earn that spot in heaven, no way. So we don't, you realize, no, we're not with this gift. But, and I love that that gift became so attractive to you, yes, in that place of like, demonic oppression and surrounded by demonic activity. And I think people, you know, if they, if they look around, they can probably find your story quite quickly. Your story is quite public. So I want to shift a little bit, maybe away from your testimony, sure, and I want you to speak to Christians about the spiritual world, because here's what I've found, for some reason, Christians seem to be unaware, yes, that there is even a spiritual now, you get some people who maybe came from different backgrounds or cultures, and so maybe in a culture they had, they had encounters with ancestors or spiritualism or some gormas.
Ryan Langkilde 9:36
So there are people who are familiar with it in the negative sense.
But I don't know why Christians, who have all the authority in Christ seem so unaware, so unprepared to fight. It's so kind of spiritually lazy. Why do you think Christians, particularly, are so ignorant of the spiritual world that that's around us?
Riaan Swiegelaar 10:00
Yeah, I want to say firstly fear,
because it's better not to think about those things, obviously. But the beautiful truth is that we do not have to fear anything. Yes, in the spirit world, if I can share to if I can share something that will connect to that answer. So for that 15 to 20 years, when I was working in the occult, I entered the spirit world illegally, meaning that without God allowing me to Yes, right, okay, so I perceived spiritual beings a certain way. I saw ancestors of people when they came for consultations. I saw spirit guides, even angels. What I thought were angels, okay? And all these beings, and they were on like a dimension. So during my deliverance, after my salvation, I went through a nine to 10 month period of deliverance. So in that time, my connection to the spirit will save it completely. Okay,
so I realized through what the Holy Spirit showed me at the time, God does not want me to have that connection. So, okay,
last year, early last year, I was very resistant to this ministry. Okay, even though God called me, God woke me up in the night. God gave me scripture. Yeah,
ID, please. No, Lord. So one day I said to God, Okay, God, I need one thing from you to do this, to step into this fully, full time ministry, fully I need one thing. I need you to tell me that what I've perceived the spirit will to be for 20 years? Is that accurate so? And I didn't get an immediate answer, so I went into a fast. I fasted for five days. I got very upset and impatient,
and I remember it was the fifth day. I was walking with one of my dogs, and this lady from a local church that was very familiar with me came to me and said she just wants to give me this word. So it was really about stepping into full time ministry again. And I'm like, Okay, fine. So I went home angrily. Fell on my bed, I cried. I said, God, if you want me to be in this ministry, remove the file between the worlds for me so I can see what the spirit world really looks like.
And I regretted it almost immediately, because God did for five minutes, and the spirit world is not there, it's here, yeah, and there's no such thing as ancestors and spirit guides and all these it's all familiar spirits. Yeah, it's all demonic, demonic. And there's a constant battle around us between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness all that time. Yeah, constantly. And it is very real and it is very dense. And the beautiful thing is that as Christians right, or followers of Christ, filled with the Holy Spirit, because if we are filled with the Holy Spirit, we are the anointed of God. We are God's sons and daughters, so adds that we have authority and we are protected unless, obviously, we open certain doors to that spirit world. Yeah, and Paul speaks of this as well as the fiery arrows that's been shot out the whole time so our minds is really the first level of battle, the battlefield. Yeah, where things come now, what we have to remember is that demons and the devil cannot read our mind. God can, yeah, but they can plant thoughts yeah to our mind. They literally constantly shooting out thoughts into our mind.
They cannot hear our mind. God can, but they can hear our words and see our actions. They observe us. They Yeah. They are familiar, observing us. So when I rebuke the thought with my mouth so they can hear, they flee. Right? They do, yeah, if I don't, and I follow through on that thought, and it becomes a word, or it becomes an action, where I start doing things that that that opens a door that compromises my covenant with God. The next level of attack starts. Yeah, I'm inviting more correct. Yeah, correct. So another thing that I feel is very important to me, I want to, before you go to the next point, I want to stop there, because I think that's a very good
Ryan Langkilde 14:42
tactic in spiritual warfare. I've actually taught him that before we really do have to realize that the only way the devil knows temptation has worked is by watching us Yes. So He plants a thought yes. And so I have the
you know, we feel that oppression, we feel the temptation. But now you.
He only knows did this succeed by watching me correct? That is if, once it becomes a revelation that is a powerful spiritual warfare tool, because now I can say, Okay, I'm under attack. What does the devil hate? He absolutely hates the word of God. He hated when I worship. I mean this worship, especially he hates it when I praise God, exalt Him. There we go. So I try to teach people, when you feel that button is being pushed,
every time you feel it, cry to worship. Quote a scripture, because what you do is, if the devil knows pushing that button equals praise, he won't push a button correct, and eventually that will stop. That's how you have breakthrough, that's and that's how you break stronghold this, right? So, but we've got to do that work we do. I think what part of the problem is, let's say it's lust. And I have the thought what people do incorrectly is they see that as the sin, yeah, and so instead of coming out and praise now, because I've just had this thought, they harden shame. But see there that sin is still not yours. Yes, it only becomes your sin when you take pick up your phone, yeah. And then we start, do you understand what I'm saying? I'm using glass as an example. So
Riaan Swiegelaar 16:13
having the thought that's not said, No acting upon it, yes, sin. So when I take it, yeah,
Ryan Langkilde 16:20
the sin belongs to the enemy. Yes, it's, it's the devil's sin. Yeah, until it becomes my until I own it, there we go. Yeah, we have, I think if I you know, for people that are maybe struggling and you feel like you're under constant attack in your life, just try that. I promise you it works. Find scripture, or just start praising. Or just even as the words, the only thing that every time you think that, just say Jesus, like, just declare something No, but right, you, you, you will make the devil never want to press that button.
Riaan Swiegelaar 16:52
I mean, okay. So second thing, I don't know if you remember, no, so something else we wanted to add is it speaks a lot about the armor of God. Okay, now we just have a series on that at this church. Can you believe beautiful so when I don't speak at churches, and when, when we present in our ministry, present spirits warfare workshops, a lot of people want to talk about the armor of God. There's two things in the armor of God that a lot of Christians miss. Okay, okay. The first thing that a lot of Christians it says there the full armor of God, yeah, it doesn't say just one thing, or the brace black sword, although that sounds amazing, but it says the full so part of that armor
is the feet of the willingness to spread the gospel of peace when lost. Have you told somebody about Jesus? Yes, it's that is part of the sport of the armor. The devil will not.
Ryan Langkilde 17:52
Because it says that in the word, yeah, the devil will not attack you if you do that, yeah, you see it. What's interesting about that is, just as a pastor, I've been a pastor here 21 years on this team, and I'll tell you, the hardest thing to get people to do is evangelism. That will be you can have any other meeting, because you have leads the armor of God. You have evangelism, outreach. Then Then it's like cricket. Thank you. Like hardly anyone today, yeah, and it's spiritual warfare. Yes, it is. But so that's my point. And people don't realize that feeling you have of I don't want to go I want to stay in bed. You don't realize you're under attack. You're there is a spiritual force in them. Your way is immobilizing you 100%
Riaan Swiegelaar 18:36
so that's why we can't let our feelings lead our faith. I have to step out of obedience and say, I really don't feel like this. And I'll tell you, there's many times I've done evangelism and I wasn't in the mood. I was tired, or something that week had put me off, or something that morning had angered me. And you have to realize, okay, there's a there's a force trying to stop me from going of course, and when you push through that and you do it anyway, first of all, you're being a living sacrifice, because you're laying your life down. But secondly, there's often where I've seen the most amazing encounters and outcomes, the most amazing outcomes, because that's why the devil is trying so hard to stop you. Hello. That's exactly how the enemy operates. Yeah. And the beautiful thing about this is, I mean. Spoiler alert, God win, yeah, every time, yeah, when we stand in that authority and when we see these things, because the moment we see the truth God's truth, yeah, it really doesn't have effect anymore, yeah, because the spiritual warfare from the side of the kingdom of darkness really only works when it's done where we're not seeing everything we need to see when we don't understand that, when we are being deceived, when we are being lied to, when things are being destroyed. So that's the tactic, that's the way that that army operates. Yeah? And obviously fear is a massive thing, yeah. Because fear is not from God.
Ryan Langkilde 20:00
And it completely demobilizes You fear, man,
I won't evangelize because I'm worried about my reputation. Yeah, I won't pray at work. I become an undercover secret Christian, yeah? Like, it completely makes you a
Riaan Swiegelaar 20:15
pretty useless No, because you don't have the full armor, no. And the other thing is like, and I'm not preaching, this is not judgment, so, but if you are someone, if you call yourself a Christian, and the only thing you do for the kingdom is forward a message on inner Whatsapp group, or you make a little comment on Facebook, on there, if that's your spreading the gospel, no, yeah, no, you're going to be attacked, you're going to actually feel at times that I'm not feeling close to God, so I don't understand why. Yeah, it's because your arm is not complete. I mean, yeah, your arm is not complete. I mean, what a good encouragement for people to step out in evangelism. I I wonder, though, for those people,
Ryan Langkilde 21:00
I think we're very naive, you know, and I'm putting myself in that category. I don't think we realize how active and organized the enemy is. So will you speak a little bit into the activity of the occult and Satanists within the South African context? Sure? How much is going on,
what's happening in our country when it comes to Satanism and the occult, I mean
Riaan Swiegelaar 21:24
is there, is there more going on than we realize? Yes. And again, it doesn't mean that we have to be fearful of it. No. But so I think, for definition, first, the occult is a very broad umbrella of things. So anything that's of the New Age, meaning numerology, astrology, the horoscope,
things like that, going to San gormas, the activity of San gormas, all of that falls under the occult. The holistic industry falls under occult. Psychics falls under the cult, yeah, what would you say is we might be surprised by this, actually, under the occult, I would say that looks so innocent. Meditation, okay, the Enneagram, for instance, the horoscope, that's that you see yoga
crystals, yeah, crystal healing. Very much. Wearing crystal jewelry, it's very and, and this is interesting that that we bring that up, because I remember at the time when I got saved by Jesus, there was a four month period where I still use crystals, sure, because I thought it's in the Bible. There's, there's 255
Ryan Langkilde 22:39
references to the Aristotle James in the Christian Bible. So I'm okay until the Holy Spirit convicted me. Ha, we don't need that one day. No, he's that's not our gateway. That's not our and, yeah, so and things Rihanna like that look so innocent. I mean, dream catchers. I go to Christian houses and there's like, little, there's little Buddhas in the house.
Riaan Swiegelaar 23:01
So, you know, are there things that that would, you would say, fall under the occult practices? Absolutely. So we have to look at the intent of which something was created. Okay, so statues of other religions. I mean, that's a it's a very clear because you're opening doors to to the demonic in your house by doing that, idols,
dream catchers, because, again, it originates from Native American cultures, and it is nature worship, and specifically the Moon and Sun and things like that, so that type of thing. So it's always based to pray about things if you're not sure. Because, see, here's the beautiful thing. When I was practicing as a psychic medium, do you know how many Christians came to see me and their clients? The first thing they'll ask me,
as they would sit, I promise you, is it wrong for me to be here because you see the Holy Spirit, and why would only you? And I would say, of course, it's okay, yeah, but you see, because the Holy Spirit already convicts them by being there. And this is the thing, we need to have such a close relationship with God, and we need to spend time with God to develop that relationship, that when we hear God's voice, that we are certain this is God or the Holy Spirit speaking to me, and I always explain this to people like, imagine a person, a human being that you have a close relationship with, that you know so well. Can be your wife or a husband or family member, whoever, a person that you know really well, if you would be in a room filled with 100 people and everybody's talking, yeah, you would recognize that voice 100% it's the same with God, yeah. If I spend time with God and I get to know His voice
over all these Yeah, voices, and it does become very clear, does become very clear. That's how you.
Ryan Langkilde 25:00
Do it, okay? So we have this umbrella called the occult, yes, underneath all these things, some gormos, fortune telling, crystals,
Riaan Swiegelaar 25:07
dream catchers, okay? And then under there's also Satanism, yes. So Satanism falls under the occult. Satanism is a religion, so it has a dogma. So the practice of it, though, in terms of the witchcraft and in terms of the rituals, is occult. Okay, yeah, so that is pure occulting. And you also get some occultists that are not Satanists, okay, but you don't get Satanists that's not occult. All satines are under that umbrella, correct? So how prevalent, how active is it? What do you think the church should know about the activity Okay, of the occult here in our country, in our country. So the first thing I want to say, and this is something that I found quite shocking, even when I got involved in Satanism in my especially my first few months, when I because before I got initiated into Satanism, I went to social gatherings where I met other Satanists. Okay, the people that is involved in Satanism is not who most people think. So. People have this perception that Satanists or people with tattoos,
that way black, that are young, that are rebelling, that are slaughtering cats under bridges, that is not what Satanism is. Satanism was maybe that in the 80s, Satanism today in this country, is a network of people. It's people in very powerful places. Most Satanists are. The majority is over 40, early 50s. It's people on television, it's people in the music industry, it's people in Parliament, it's people in the medical field. It's famous surgeons, well known surgeons. It is people in Parliament. It is people at the head of banks. So, and I'm not saying everybody in those saying that is the majority. Would you say every city has got some Yes. So every town in this country, with the exception of three that I know of, at least has a coven of Satanists, which means at least nine people who practice every town, every town in this country, yes, yeah, no worries, yes.
So I think the church is very ignorant to that, yeah. I mean very unawares, yeah. And the other reality is that there is many people in Christian churches who go to satanic rituals. Wow. And I'm not saying the majority, yeah. I'm saying like so in my time in the in the sort of African satanic church, and in my time in Satanism, which is like a five year period, I can say at least 50, maybe 50 church leaders that had double lives.
And also, if you look at my ministry partner, Adele, she was born into Satanism, so the man who initiated her into Satanism was also a pastor of so they had church services on Sunday mornings, and in the evening, they had satanic rituals that that's heartbreaking.
Ryan Langkilde 28:10
It's almost hard to believe that that's happening right under our noses, and we're so blind to it, because then it kind of makes me think, are they, how active are they against the church? Because the church isn't active against and we don't want to be against them, but we're not really active against their activity yet. So those covens in those towns,
Riaan Swiegelaar 28:32
are they just targeting the town? Is that their target? Are they out to get people in the town, or they're out to get the churches, or both? Okay, so not every church is an ideal target for Satanists. So you have to be the church has to be compromised in some way already for it to to be a target. So explain what that means. So let's say the let's say the shepherd of the church has an affair on the side, or he goes to the brothel, or he watches porn on his cell phone, or is involved in
illegal activity, anything that is actually clearly in the word that church is vulnerable. Wow. So that is, fortunately, not the majority of churches, okay, okay, but there is churches that has been identified through astral projection, and because that's what they do. And you see, where's the weak spots? Wow. And they do talk at those churches. They definitely do. But like I said, that's not the majority, but there is churches like that, and especially also where there's so much greed, because I've seen some of these big churches especially, and sorry, you can cut this out if you want, but especially people who come from other African countries to South Africa and they start especially those churches, okay? And a lot of things that are happening there, those miracles and things, is because that person goes to Richmond or to the Freemason, okay, okay, another reality. And I.
I'm going to bring it home. Kai and again, your discretion count. If you want every Dutch Reformed Church building in this country is built by a Freemason
Wow. Every inchak in this country is built by Freemasons. Wow. So think about that. Yeah, okay,
and that's why,
the way the church council would dress, with the white ties, it's all Freemasonry.
The angles of the churches and towards the direction of the sun that the front door.
And that's why Freemasons can move so freely. And you would put Freemasonry under the umbrella of the occult. One of the absolutely yes, because I practice certain rituals. There's certain symbols, there's invocations, there's the use of ritual tools, okay? There's the calling on the warned God. That is purely it's actually more than a call. It's satanic. It's completely satanic. Actually, my very first satanic ritual that I went to before the satanic church actually existed was at Freemason Lodge.
So it's very interlinked, not necessarily around the world, but in South Africa. Yes, yeah, no, I'm aware I had a family member very involved in Freemasonry, and when he passed away,
Ryan Langkilde 31:19
we found the books and the chants and the prayers and, you know, very satanic.
So that's worrying that there's even a link to, possibly, to churches mass and to leadership in this country, because, like you said, we talk about South Africa, yeah. So definitely. So what's your advice, then? Because I feel like the church needs to rise up. You know, our vision for our churches here is raise an army, and we've been feeling like we're looking around at Christians are just being taken out, left, right and center. And so we really been trying to teach in spiritual warfare. We've been trying to equip people on the armor of God we like it's we really need to armor up, because we were like, these lazy, ignorant, distracted soldiers on the battlefield, and we're just being taken out, right? So it's like, and yet we've got the victory, like we have the that's the thing. I wanted to just say, the very first thing about spiritual warfare, we're not fighting towards victory. Yeah, we're fighting from victory. Yes, we already have it that that should be the foundation and and that goes a bit back to that fear thing, right? We have to realize there isn't, like, an equal
footing between God and the devil. No, like, the movies always portray them as, like, this equal power, Jesus and Satan, yeah, and you're like, but who's gonna win? Who's gonna win? Like, that's not, not how it is. God is God and like, the devil's a created being, correct? So there isn't this tug of war. God is formal spirit. It's like putting the light on in a dark room. Exactly when I put the light on, the darkness flees and it goes at the speed of light. So that's the authority we have in the spiritual realm. I'm part of the kingdom of light. If I come in the darkness, that's a flee. If I'm in Jesus Christ and not in my own name, yeah? But if I'm walking in the authority of Jesus, the darkness doesn't have a debate, that's biblical, yeah? So, so we don't want to spread fear, no. So from this position of, okay, we have the authority. But now we're hearing that the enemies he's organized, and he's active in every town, pretty much in our country, what would you like to call the Christians to? What should the churches be doing? From your perspective,
Riaan Swiegelaar 33:32
I would say real prayer,
not two minutes like real prayer. How many people do you know that can actually pray for an hour or three hours at a time and again. It comes back to what I said earlier about prayer, and it's our most effective weapon, praying in the Spirit, praying in tongues. Because the beautiful thing about that is the Holy Spirit knows exactly what you're praying, yeah. So if you do not know, what should I pray now? For this church, pray in tongues, and the Holy Spirit knows, and it's your most powerful tool in spiritual warfare, yeah. And again, it comes back to the thing of our war is not against people. People need love so or another thing kind and and I know this is not a question, but it will, it will tie in with what we talking about. A lot of people ask me, Why is there so many sacrifices in Satanism? Why is there blood? Blood has a currency in the spirit world. So if I want to negotiate with demons, I need to bring a sacrifice, because that blood has a currency. Sure, the blood of Jesus is the highest currency in the spirit world. Wow. And it covers all of that, and that's the authority in which we stand. Yeah, so somebody, and this is something that every ex satanist and ex occultist who have made Christ will tell you, because I'm not the only one. I'm just the only one that's brave enough to talk about. But what we.
We've experienced negotiations with demons and bringing animal sacrifices and negotiating and getting things done in that way, and then we experience that blood and love of Christ. You
can't even compare. You can't Yeah, it is way, way more powerful. So I think in spiritual warfare, if we can realize that and know what we are, and the blood of Christ is free. It's not cheap, though, no, not at all. Wasn't cheap. No, right? So, and I also think we need to realize that what happened on the cross is as valid and active today as it ever was and forever will be right, and also that the same spirit that rose Jesus lives in me and you.
Ryan Langkilde 35:54
So there's no fear like and this is why, Second Timothy says God hasn't given us that spirit, power, love, which is the two things. And then you also spoke about in spiritual warfare, a sound mind, right? That's often the entry point to that attack. It's so that's what I need to walk in. And so we're four churches who are saying, Okay, I want to walk in power, love, sound thinking. We know the occult there. We're not fearing it, but and our job is to pray,
Riaan Swiegelaar 36:24
direct some of those prayers. I know you said when we don't know, we obviously pray in the Spirit. But what do you think we should what should be some prayer points for us as Christians who want to pray for their salvation, and we want to also limit the activity with all their power in our towns and cities. Okay? What should we say? So we often us who stand in that ministry, we pray that God will blow out every candle on every altar. Well, God will hug Satanists. Sure Jesus will encounter Satanists and Satanists will encounter him as if he is hugging them. Because what better way to take out that that whole work? It's like converting them. Yeah? But Hello, yeah, no, but it that love of Christ is the strongest thing that any satanist or person, for that matter, will ever experience. But what's sad for me in saying that Rani is that I don't think Satan has experienced love from the church. They don't but, and that should be part of the plan show Christ's love. When I met Jesus like face to face,
and I didn't believe it was him, and when he actually flooded me with that love, I recognize it because a Christian showed it to me 10 days before. Wow, somebody who had Jesus inside of her. That's how I recognize it as a but this is, this is the same love, yeah, so, and you're right. So, again, people think especially Christians. It's so that the war is now against Satanists and against people. I don't know how many Satanists would be welcomed, especially if it was known or if it was tattooed on their face. You know, how many would be welcomed into a church building? I mean, I've had people come to me on a Sunday saying, oh, there's, she's a witch, or they put and I'm like, good, thank goodness in church, how else were they here? Yeah, they felt comfortable enough to come. And even if they coming to attack or do something, they have no power. Yet they don't and the other thing is that love of Christ, if they can just feel that, yeah, whatever witchcraft, whatever thing they were busy with, it will not compare. So you see, they will immediately realize, and I think a lot of Christians also take that love of Christ for granted. I agree, and that's maybe why we don't give it. Because I think Christians are known for being the opposite. Yes, I think we're known for being quite hostile towards anyone who's not, quote, unquote, like living this clean, holy, moral life. I think we're known for being very judgmental,
Ryan Langkilde 38:57
not very inviting. So I could just put myself almost in your shoes, and think, now I better go walk into that group of people, and you would imagine the eyes will be on me, and people will be whispering behind, you know, their hands. And so I think that's a reputation church has. And yet, if the answer is God's love, then the church has to change. We've got to change our reputation in our communities, yes. And it's so sad because, you know, that's what Jesus said, yeah. This is how people will know you're my disciples, yeah, by your loving each other, not by your like moral standard, no, or not by your judgment, and not by your self righteousness. And there's another verse that's quite beautiful for me, is, It's the goodness of the Lord, yeah. That leads people to reward, yeah.
Riaan Swiegelaar 39:42
And how will they see that? Because we're they're going to see their goodness in us. We're the message, yeah, God should be able to work through your heart to reach people. But if I've resentment in my heart or judgment or unresolved anger, how, how will I even show that you see? So those are some.
Beautiful prayer points. We're going to pray for the the candles on the altar to be blown up. You know, we're going to pray for God to hug, to love, to capture them, for they, for them to really experience the love of Christ. So I want to ask now and something else, okay, yeah, that we need to remember about God, right? Yeah, God is omnipresent, yes, so that literally means everywhere. Yes, that means that in church, but also at the brothel, also at the drug deal, also at rensselaers. Yeah, he's there. God is there. But then you also get the manifesting power of God, and that we should pray for as well, tangible presence God should manifest. Because God says in His Word, in the last days, I shall pour out my spirit on all flesh, and we should thank God for that, yeah, when it comes to praying for people involved and bonded in the god so let's say there's a praying church in a town, and God willing, praying churches, right? And they're praying these things against that activity. I want to know on the flip side, did you ever have an experience when you were in the occult where you could sense the prayer Yes, or where the prayers were limiting your power or limiting your influence? Yes, I was speaking to that a bit. So
one instance was there was a church that was targeted in Cape Town, and a group of us went up Table Mountain to do a certain ritual at a certain Eclipse time. So this was a church that had some open door, yeah. There was a certain pastor, Bishop, sorry, Bishop there, who had a reputation that he likes certain powders and things. Okay, okay, yeah, so it was okay. And also because the church had a reputation for being quite powerful in terms of, like, deliverance and things. So they weren't very popular amongst the satanists in the area. Okay, so that church was targeted. So the day we actually went to do that, these are, and I'm don't want to teach people how to be better Satanists. But so there's a certain way and format in which that is structured, and then it's almost like released, if I can put it that way. So instead of it actually going you could feel that massive resistance, wow. The resistance, though, didn't come from the church that you were targeting. It came from a church next to it that was praying for the churches, praying for the churches and for the body of Christ. We've got to be praying for our churches, for our nation, for our families, like we, yeah. I mean, it just was, my mind was just going to so many places like, yeah, we got to pray because there's power. There's so much power when we are willing to pray. But, you know, going back to kind of,
sometimes we're weakening ourselves and we're opening these doors. And what do you think are common ways that Christians Open Doors spiritually, that maybe they don't even realize they're doing it, like, how? What are some of the most common entry points, you think, or ways that they the enemy? He's so sly, you know. So now he becomes, he looks innocent, yeah. And I would say, so, there's many things but, but if we can sum it up, so, um, unrepentant sin that you walk with for quite a while, I should the other spirits convict me of this thing, but I'm not quite ready. Okay, the enemy uses that So against that. I'm trauma, Anil, trauma, anger, resentment. It's a friddle for the enemy, and it's an open door. Yeah? And then things that specifically were called orientated, like taking part in those things and doing those, I guess, and like we are bored, yes? Terry, COVID and reading your horoscope even in the newspaper. Yeah, that people aren't aware, yeah? But we need to look at
anything we're busy with. And what you're doing is that taking me out of that kingdom of God or not? Yes, there's no gray zone. This is the thing, because in the spirit world as well, you have the kingdom of God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and you have everything else. There's nothing in but there's a middle ground now, yeah. And a lot of people think there is, like, this is the okay ground, yeah, although this is a place that doesn't, it does good people who don't believe in God, yeah. But there's in one kingdom. And so actually, what you're saying is so true. Every decision I make falls into one of two categories, I mean. And then I think when you start weighing that up, you're like, Okay, how much of my life am I just giving away to this enemy? I'm giving him permission. Thank you. And one of the things I thought maybe should be on that list is unforgiveness. I think because that's something that I've seen, people can carry with them this, you know all those things that you mentioned really creates bitterness when I have this unalien trauma, yeah, when I have anger towards people,
Ryan Langkilde 44:48
and it's probably why the Devil loves doing that to us, I don't think you can have a single human relationship without you being offended at some point. Of course, absolutely, it's just such a part.
Riaan Swiegelaar 45:00
Of this human experience. And if Christians aren't really committed to walking unforgiveness, I think that's an open door spiritual. Yes, it is for you do just get oppressed, yeah? Spiritually, yeah. And again, it comes back to the conversation I had with somebody yesterday about her feeling removed from God or far away from God at the moment. And then when we open it up about there's there's unforgiveness and judgment, sure, so, because that's not God's heart. If
you think about it, does that sound like anything God would do?
Ryan Langkilde 45:33
It's quite I mean, when you really stood with that, it's quite
sobering to realize that all these decisions have a spiritual consequence.
Riaan Swiegelaar 45:45
We really, but we really don't live like that. Remember, we are body,
we are flesh, we are body, we are spirit and soul, yeah, and there's more of us that is soul and spirit than our physical. Yeah? So everything has an influence and an effect. Yeah, that's why,
Ryan Langkilde 46:09
besides these emotions that can be doorways, what are some other things that maybe practices? Or
Riaan Swiegelaar 46:17
do you think that there's things that we could watch or listen to or take in that become so what are some common things you see Christians just doing and they're not even realizing, are you opening yourself up? Yeah, so I quite often talk about the eye gates. So there's a lot of times Christians tend to watch horror movies excessively. They become obsessed with it, and you will quite often see occult symbolism in it. Now, what a lot of people don't understand about occult symbols like pentagrams and the sigil of Lucifer and things like that, because, sorry, I mean, I know Christians who wear that as jewelry, you know, they put on their shoes they have a goat's head. So what? They don't understand those things are charged collectively. Okay, already, sure. So it is a loaded symbol, yeah. So you're watching that,
not immediately, two days later, you suddenly feel, Oh, I'm anxious, or I'm aggressive towards feeling down today, feeling down, feeling the Pro, it has a nightmare. Where did that start? Do you think, wow,
so you had this beautiful illustration about, like, what an open doors like, you know? So it doesn't affect your whole life, but it has an influence. It does. Would you share that absolutely so when we teach at spiritual warfare workshops, we quite often talk about open doors and how that affects us. So if you can think of your relationship with God, your covenant with God, as a room that you're sitting in and there's a fire and all the doors and windows are closed, and it's very cold outside, so inside this room, it is warm, it feels safe, it's peaceful. If I open a window or a door, that what is happening outside of the room will start having an effect on the inside. Yeah, so that doesn't mean that everything outside now comes in, but because of the outside and I'm opening a door, I'm going to feel that. And it's the same with our covenant with God. So God is very clear in his word about things that we should not partake in, and it is this a scriptural reference, as well as you conjuring from one cup and said at the Thai book, so and the laws, or let's, let's call it, yeah, let's call it the laws. The Laws of God is there to protect that covenant with us and to keep you in the room, and to keep Yeah, and to keep the covenant side, yeah, it's not to control us. No, it's not to Yeah. And again, trust me, from coming from that background and being here, you're not missing out. Yeah, you are. Stay in the room, guys, it's much better in the kingdom of God, if you have had an encounter
with Jesus or with the Holy Spirit, and you are not missing, there's enough. There is nothing better. No, there is nothing better than that. I mean, so to try and keep those doors closed, we're looking at things like horror movies, symbolism,
music, certain music, definitely. Yeah, yeah. Um, it's, again, it's about what is being suggested or the motive behind it, yeah. And then, does that fit into the kingdom of God? Okay, or not. And also, again, it's about the Holy Spirit and convicting us of things, because we can be busy with something and we don't realize the beautiful thing again, is the moment the Holy Spirit convicts you, you can repent and renounce that. Yes, and it's closed, it's done.
Ryan Langkilde 49:50
It's kind of making me think, because that's what Jesus is. Yes, I love that, because the door's closed. You know, we just have to address it. And yeah, there's also we don't have to like you.
Riaan Swiegelaar 50:00
Enemy wants you to because that's another open door. You're just closing one to if you're the other, like, yeah, okay, I'll close my jealousy, but I'm sure you're closing the window, but opening the door, yeah, the room, yeah. If prayer is the that important, if prayer is that powerful in the spiritual realm,
Ryan Langkilde 50:20
and yet we see Christians not praying. Do you think they're not praying because the enemy is making them not want to pray? Yes, obviously, yes. That's it's clear, yeah, because it's almost like that's how you stop the enemy. The from the enemy's point of view, that's how you stop them from working, is just silence them or make them too lazy to pray. Yes, that's a smart strategy.
Riaan Swiegelaar 50:41
Yeah, it's cunning. It's very cunning. That's like, that's Lucifer, yeah,
Ryan Langkilde 50:48
I think it's such a good reminder today, Ryan, just for us to be active and not to be ignorant and to realize there really is a spiritual world, yeah, and what we do and say has influence there, massive, and that we have victory in this world. You know I mean, and I do hope today that you're more encouraged to pray. I hope that you more encouraged to be switched on to what's spiritual, to not be unwise in what you watching, listening to bringing into your home. Don't downplay things just because it's common, or just because culture has so easily accepted it. And talking about culture, I think it's very good to have a look at what's common in your family, like, what's a common practice that you know has occult roots, and we got to start really finding those things unacceptable, you know, because it's going to have effects on us spiritually. Yes, what do you what would your closing words be to, especially the Christians who are listening? And then I want you to speak to those who maybe are on the other side. But sure, what would you say to those who are Christians in closing?
Riaan Swiegelaar 51:55
I think for Christians,
we did say that but, but I want to say that again, is we need to realize that Jesus conquered the devil on the cross already, therefore we have victory.
However, there's certain things that needs to play out because of the times we are in. Yeah,
I said this earlier, so many times as well, it wasn't another god or another deity of another religion that conquered the devil. That's why we can see Christianity is under massive attack, huge atonement. It's because of the fact that the devil knows it's Jesus that conquered you. So that that is something I think, I I feel Christians should know and that we have that authority, yes, and that victory, and we should stand on that. And every time you feel like not doing it, realize that's the attack when you feel like not praying, reading, worshiping, I mean, you're under attack for for people who are not followers of Christ, for people, possibly that's involved in the occult,
whether it is as practitioners or practicing rituals or whatever, as somebody who come from that background knowing exactly why You're doing it,
there is really no nothing, no
thing spiritually that compares to the love of Christ and being in Jesus, Christ and the freedom that comes with it. So
you have also, you have the right to ask God and to reveal Himself to you. If you don't believe me, ask God directly, and because of God's heart, He will do it. God doesn't just have his current sons and daughters. God also has his future sons and daughters. I love that, and I'm going to piggyback on that and also say to the I just felt, to say to those who are listening and part of the occult. There are churches who will love you and embrace you and not judge you at the door. There are real places where you can run to that are safe and that
Ryan Langkilde 54:15
they will listen to your story and walk with you through your brokenness and your hurt, and you're welcome just, just, please don't believe all the hype that we're just full of criticism and hate and judgment, because also that's love the devil.
I think we really there are communities of love, yes. I mean, yeah. Like differently, Ryan, thank you. Love your story. I think it's very powerful and very this. I'm so grateful you're using it for the Kingdom. You're not letting the story go to waste. No, you're saying, Okay, this happened, but also like, let's, let's let this happen to many Yes, and I really do pray that it will for those listening and struggling, who.
For those listening right now that are have been dabbling, and maybe they're feeling guilt, or they maybe the Holy Spirit has convicted them of some practice in their life.
Could you pray for our listeners? Yes, absolutely. Thank you, sure.
Riaan Swiegelaar 55:13
Lord God, we come to you in the mighty name of Jesus, Lord, I just want to pray for each and every person watching today, whether they've dabbled into a cult, whether they're thinking about dabbling in the cold, whether they practicing in the cold, let them know, as we stand in for them, that at any any given time, they can reach out to Christ and that your spirit will reach them and God, we also pray that the works on the cross and the resurrection of Jesus will manifest in their life and be real in their life right now in Jesus name, Amen, amen,
Ryan Langkilde
We claim that, and I pray that many are going to see that to be true in your life. And so thank you for watching. Thanks for your time. If you made it this far, consider giving it a LIKE, or sharing it with someone, or re watching it, and that really just helps us keep this going, and we appreciate you guys, and let's remember that we are just real people, but we have a real God who really loves us and really wants to do life with us until next time. Goodbye. You.