Leave the Feed

Join us for Day 11 of 'Leave the Feed 30 Days of Disconnect' as we welcome Gigi Robinson, a remarkable guest whose journey from chronic illness to empowerment is truly inspiring. She discusses the struggles of an invisible illness, the power of resilience, and her rise as a successful creator and author.

Dive into Gigi's story of acceptance, creative expression, and the quest for balance in the digital age. Don't miss Gigi's advice on fostering empathy and building sustainable habits.

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Join James Petrossi in 'Leave the Feed: 30 Days of Disconnect' as he interviews creators and mental health advocates about their journeys, the digital quagmire, and tips to create a healthier relationship with social media.

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James Petrossi: Hello and welcome to Leave the Feed 30 Days of Disconnect. Today is day 11. It is what it is. Such a powerful message and such a powerful guest today. Gigi Robinson. Welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me. I can't wait to get into it.

Now your journey is that of chronic illness to empowerment, and I was super moved and touched by your book, especially what's been happening with me physically for the past couple years. But tell us about your story.

How did this Gigi journey unfold, and where are you today?

Gigi: Well, the Gigi journey. That has led me to where I am today is complex and almost a 15 year journey. I will start with where I am today, which [00:01:00] is I think, a really important benchmark to get to as I share more about my story. But today I am 27 and a half years old. I live with my boyfriend and our dogs in New Jersey. I was born and raised in New York and I never thought I would live in New Jersey. Like, Ew, why would I ever do that? And now that I'm here, I feel like it's the best kept secret and I tell everyone I meet that I actually love the suburbs. It's been so healing for my nervous system and as I have been on my. Guess recovery journey and my journey to figure out what my new normal is with endometriosis and Alpha-Gal tick allergy syndrome, I've been able to manage my chronic illness in ways that I just never thought could give me the life that I want, and it's also important to note that. I'm in my home office right now because I built a career that I needed to support myself while I [00:02:00] was struggling.

And so if we go back, I guess I can start from the very beginning and just walk you all through a little bit about my journey, but when I was about 11 years old, I got diagnosed with a condition called Eller Dam Syndrome. And if you've never heard of it, it's a connective tissue disorder. They have a bunch of different. Kinds and types and subtypes of LS Danlos. But I have the hypermobility type, which is the most common and also the most commonly misdiagnosed, most commonly misdiagnosed underdiagnosed condition in the EDS family usually because it. He is a little ambiguous. It's kind of one of these things where there's no telltale sign, there's no genetic test to figure this out.

But the way that I figured it out at such a young age was, I think really in part to mom being such a fierce advocate for me, and also living in New York City and having access to incredible doctors at Cornell and [00:03:00] HSS to help really target that at a young age, because I kept getting injured and it didn't make sense why? And then one of the doctors in the emergency room was just like. Have you ever heard of ER's, Damo syndrome? I think you should see a pediatric orthopedist at HSS. And so my mom got me in and the doctor was like, I think this checks out. Go see this geneticist at Cornell, which is across the street.

So it worked out. And then she basically was like, yeah, this makes a lot of sense. And even to this day, I actually have kept in touch with my doctors and given them copies of my book. So I just am really grateful that. I had that original at a young age because as I grew up through my adolescence and teenage years, I did have to make decisions that maybe sound a little bit like silly when said aloud, like using the escalator or the [00:04:00] elevator using a wheeling backpack, using an iPad instead of carrying books around, always having a locker on like the first floor of a building and. It doesn't seem very complicated or like a life challenge, but when everybody else around you is taking the stairs and running up and down the stairs or having a cool backpack and you are the odd one out and oh, like, oh my God, you're like zooming with that thing. It's like a spaceship. Like you don't really understand what that's like unless you live in that difference, and so. For a while. It took a lot of confidence building and a lot of, well, this is just how it is to explain to other students, to explain to teachers, to explain to friends, and even some family. I mean, luckily my family's always been very supportive, but that was really, I think, character building for me throughout. High school and middle [00:05:00] school to the point where then I got to college and teachers were questioning, why do you need a computer? Why do you need virtual assignment turn ins? Like why are you sometimes remote flexible? Before remote, flexible was a thing, like we're talking 2017 to 2019 and. They didn't really understand.

And so that's where a lot of my anger and frustration about living with health issues that are invisible really started bubbling up and. Since I was getting a Bachelor's of Fine Arts. Anyway, the key thing they tell you there is show don't tell. So I brought my cameras with me to, and my phone to all of my doctor's appointments and hospitals and physical therapies and treatments, and I was recording it and making content about it and then sharing it as my, guess assignments and my projects.

And I was writing about it because they weren't believing me. I was like, if you don't believe me, I just have to show you

James Petrossi: Yeah.

Gigi: Then of course COVID [00:06:00] happens. I. Moved back home from Los Angeles, from attending USC to finish my senior year remotely on my couch in New York City, which obviously is isolating for anybody graduating or attending college during COVID. And my mom and I just were kind of like, we have to get this health stuff under control. I'm in constant chronic pain. I have all these flare-ups. I'm so inflamed. I'm like allergic to all these things and we just don't know what the issue is. And so she again, helped me find. Pain management doctors, as I'm posting about everything on the internet, I kind of, my social feeds are growing.

People are starting to follow me because they're like, oh my God, same like invisible health issues suck. Let's talk about it more. Let's inspire more people to feel less alone in this journey. And then finally, after maybe two years working with this chronic pain doctor, and we'd gone through like. Plan a holistic plan B, holistic plus you know, western medicine plan C, holistic [00:07:00] plus Western medicine, plus some steroid injections to help with the chronic pain plus therapy, plus all these things like what is going on.

She said, you know, I think you have endometriosis. I think you should move forward with doing the surgery. So my mom again helped me find a surgeon, which you know is in the network of Columbia and Cornell, and they did the surgery and they found out I had endometriosis also on my bowel, on my bladder, on my you know, ovaries.

And that was causing severe pain and. Inflammation in my body. So then by the time that I adjusted my diet and started exercising to help alleviate those symptoms, that's what again has led me to today where I'm able to exercise and feel endorphins and enjoy life in a way I never thought was possible.

[00:08:00] So that is my long story.

James Petrossi: That's a, a great story, an empowering story, and I'm. As you know, as you're going through this as a young child, you brought up like anger, and obviously when we're in the grieving process, it's not just because. Someone died , we lose a piece of ourself and we're comparing ourselves to the lives of others.

And I'm sure there was a lot of depression, resentment, bargaining, and it's hard to get to the path of acceptance. And, and how was that for you navigating grief and navigating the twists and turns of this road? How did you find. Acceptance. And how did acceptance become almost a catapult for you as a creator?

Gigi: So I love that you're asking this question because my journey to being a creator really started when I was in middle school, when I. Did get this diagnosis of ER's, Dan, low syndrome because I had to give up competitive [00:09:00] swimming. I had a, at one point in time when I was doing competitive swimming, I was winning a lot of races because my shoulder joints were hypermobile. Which is what we found out, and that was why my shoulders always hurt. And doing butterfly was so much easier for me than other people because my shoulders could do a bigger and better, faster rotation than other people that said, it's more damaging. And so I always had a competitive nature in me to like achieve more, do more, be better compete. And when they said you have to stop doing impactful sports like. Swimming competitively. You can swim for leisure, but you can't swim competitively anymore. You can't play in gym class anymore, but you could do physical therapy or Pilates, and it's like, why would I do Pilates? I'm literally like 11 years old and I fell into art and I just, I was [00:10:00] doing all kinds of art.

At first, it was like painting and drawing and realizing, oh wow, I'm actually like really good at this. And then. I picked up my dad's D 70, which is a Nikon camera, and I just fell in love with it and I ended up going to a photography camp, and from there I started entering my artwork in local, regional, national, international competitions, and my artwork started. well. And part of that was because I was shooting nighttime photography. So I was doing long exposures, I was capturing the stars, I was capturing night scenes, which usually you don't see in gallery or com, like competition spaces. You'll usually see gorgeous daytime landscapes. You'll see portraits, you'll see macro shots, but you usually won't see night shots.

And so I guess that was my unique value there and. After that, [00:11:00] I kind of just was like, you know what, like this is that I love and I just escaped through art. And I think that a lot of people who deal with health issues do have to find a form of escape and that sometimes is the coping mechanism in and of itself.

Obviously constant and consistent therapy is very helpful and having a great support system and. Also knowing that some people just aren't gonna respond or they're not going to understand you just say, I am not feeling well. Like they think, oh, you have a cold, but that's just not the case.

James Petrossi: Because it has to be difficult, especially at a young age, because obviously when we're older, we hope that adults can empathize more for others, maybe, maybe not, but for children, you know. Even adolescents, college age kids, it's hard to wrap your head around why, like you look [00:12:00] fine. Like why do you need to take, why do you need to take that escalator?

Why can't you come over here with us? And what is it that you've learned in the process about educating other people and how to make them more empathetic about individuals that might have hidden illnesses that aren't? Right in front of you. And, and also too, how is your book helping helping other children and adults learn how to like foster that empathy and foster that understanding?

Gigi: I mean, I think the first thing you mentioned about especially college students, I can count on my hands how many friends I still have from college, and there's a reason for that. I think when you're dealing with health issues, unless it's visible or unless it's something super serious like cancer. People usually don't want to hold the empathy. Even something like [00:13:00] celiac disease or depression, right? Like you can have a scope of it, but really when you think of depression as a college student, you may just say, yeah, like they're just sad all the time. Oh yeah, they just don't wanna get outta bed. But they don't, you don't really understand those deeper things. Also because. As an individual, you're still figuring yourself out and you still have your own goals that you wanna achieve. I honestly feel like the emotional intelligence and bandwidth to hold space for other people is so much less when you're in college.

And I was very resentful for a very long time The fact that my friends could not hold space for me, and that, that was like the downfall of a lot of my friendships, because I didn't wanna go out late at night that I didn't feel like I got the support from them. That they didn't feel like I, they got the support from me because I was dealing with my health issues.

I couldn't show up for them. And [00:14:00] so an adult or somebody in my late twenties now. When I look at the friends that I do have, when I can candidly say, Hey, I know we were supposed to meet up for dinner, but like I'm just not feeling it. Can I plan on the next time I'm in the city? Can we do like a coffee or a lunch or can we just co-work virtually instead to get that same kind of connection?

And that also loops back into this hybrid. Remote, flexible lifestyle that I've built for myself and that a lot of my friends who are also self-employed entrepreneurs built for themselves too. But it's really hard. I'm not gonna say it's easy. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. And I think that was a catalyst for writing this book.

It wasn't about. Yeah, like I want people to know my story. It actually was not at all about

James Petrossi: Right.

Gigi: I think on the back of the book, the key themes are illness, resilience, hope, and [00:15:00] empathy, and is the key message that I wanted to get across, that you can look different or you can have invisible health issues, and you can also still. Have a great life and you can achieve your goals and you can have friends. And guess what? If somebody's not gonna be understanding, well bye-bye. They're not meant to be in your life. And that piece also hurts. Like I'm not gonna sugarcoat that either. Losing friends, especially when you're already down, is so painful. And to know that it's. It can feel like it was because you had no control over your health, so you couldn't show up the way that they needed you to, and vice versa. Like that piece hurts because you can't control it with health. But at the end of the day, I found that just meeting people where they're at and something Tony Robbins always says that I love, which is trade your expectations for appreciations [00:16:00] when you can try to apply that to anything and everything.

I feel like. It helps you live a more beautiful and positive, hopeful life.

James Petrossi: In terms of living a more beautiful, positive, and, and hopeful life. Thank you for bringing such amazing messages into the world and helping people with your platforms on social media. Let's talk about that journey and like the feeling, the optimism, the hope that you bring to others. Then some of the other challenges that innately come with being a creator and making sure that you keep your mental health in check.

Gigi: Let's get, let's get specific, like where do we start? In this, in this journey. I mean there, I know I mentioned about posting online in my story and that really started, I was posting while I was in college and actually while I was doing that, I was seeking these brand ambassador roles, which essentially were field marketing, remote, [00:17:00] remote, flexible, even contracted. that I was doing. So you know, TikTok or Tinder would send me a $2,000 budget and say, a brunch or host a coffee giveaway. Buy a hundred Starbucks gift cards, whatever it was, and give them out to students. And, you know, $5 per per Starbucks gift card. Do it on campus as long as they download the app and then post about it.

And so that was what really got me into the. Creator space. Also because I had that knack for visual aesthetics, I really thought I was gonna end up being a photographer or designer for a big movie studio or a big magazine. And just kind of cool that I ended up being the producer for, at this point, hundreds of brand partnerships and hundreds of brands.

And so I'm [00:18:00] really proud about those benchmarks. But it started with all that field marketing and these remote brand ambassador positions where they said, we'll send you product. You have 10 posts, can schedule them when you want, as long as you post once a week for 12 weeks and that's that. And here's your $1,500 per semester, whatever it was.

And so excited about that.

James Petrossi: Yeah.

Gigi: my gosh, this is amazing. A hundred dollars per post. This is so great. And I was so small back then that. felt amazing. And when you do get those first kind of brand partnerships, it's just, it's the best feeling. And for me, it was never about validation. It was never about helping other people.

It was like, I'm talented and I'm getting paid to shoot content and share it because people follow me because they like seeing what I have to offer. And that is, I think, an ethos that I've carried with me to this day where I've never [00:19:00] valued. Anything I'm doing, on the internet as a motivator for my confidence, right?

It's anything that happens on the internet is like in its own compartmentalized world and. If people compliment me or there's good feedback on a video, that's great. But what matters to me more is that I go to an event and I speak there and somebody says, oh my God, I love your energy. Like you're, you have such good energy.

Or Oh my God, I actually, I'm such a fan. Like, I follow you on LinkedIn and it's so cool to meet you in person. And I'm like, wait, what? Like, I have fans. This is crazy. But, but, and that feels good to have that human connection. And I think that's the point I wanna drill down, which is that. I don't think enough creators, especially when our job is to make content look effortless, focus on that human connection. It's my job [00:20:00] to make content on my page, and it's my job look effortless. It's my job to consistently deliver and always be pumping out new content. Obviously that is. Very exhausting when you have to upkeep multiple platforms. And there are times where I fall off of certain platforms and guess what?

That's like fine. I have certain areas of my business that fuel me and I focus on those, like focus on where the money is. To be honest, that's the best business advice I've ever given or gotten. And I just think a lot of creators are focused on, I want a hundred thousand followers, I want a million followers, want. A brand partnership with this company. I wanna be signed to management. And instead they should be focused on how can I build a sustainable business? Because that's the hardest piece of this, to build something sustainable over time. And that is what's affected my mental health the most in this business is that there's a lot of these [00:21:00] standards, again, the benchmarks, the management. The quitting and becoming full-time that I don't think people are prepared for, and they don't even know the magnitude of their choices. And so somebody says, I want talent management. Meanwhile, they can handle in their schedule doing the outreach and they think getting a manager is a better look. But guess what?

If you trust somebody else with your business, I can almost guarantee you, like some cases are definitely exceptions, but. Usually they're not gonna do as good for you as you will do for you. I always recommend hiring an intern or hiring somebody in-house, but giving away that piece of my business or that that trust that somebody else would do as good of a job as me has been a mistake I've made now four times, but. glad that I did it because it did cause so much mental stress [00:22:00] and anxiety for me that I realized this is something I can never do again. so I'm telling all my friends, I'm talking about it like on interviews, and I'm just saying like, okay, management is not for you at this stage in your business.

It's not necessary. Nobody will advocate for you as well as you. And I think all creators need to focus on that. And again, think about the business and what's making money before you even think about posting online.

James Petrossi: And then to find that connection, to take a break from social media, whether you're a creator or whether you're someone that's a fan. I think there's. Different challenges each audience faces, right? One is the need to get a new post, the need to get likes, the need to get followers, and the other is sort of this constant digestion of little pieces of information.

And they're probably not getting fully digested. Some are causing them heartaches. Sometimes it's doom scrolling. Sometimes it's just a lot of information that's affecting your mental health. How do you like to reconnect? What do you like to [00:23:00] connect to? Like what brings you joy outside of the digital world?

Gigi: So if you are a true fan, you'll know I have two very cute dogs called Zeke and Trixie, and I love them and they are just joy machines. My friend Avi Gandhi. And I had discussed we were, we were just chatting one time, and , he used that word to describe dogs, and I was like, you know what? That is so spot on.

I am taking that from you. But yeah, Zeke and Trixie keep me very busy. They also help me disconnect at least three to five times a day going out on walks, even if it's a quick five minute walk or if it's a longer walk. It's unfortunately 30 degrees here, so I'm getting. Sad

James Petrossi: Right.

Gigi: cold, but in the summertime, the springtime in the early fall, like going for those long, like mile two mile walks with them has been so great. also love things like breath work when I can get a massage or a facial, like I think those are really nice self-care [00:24:00] things I could do. I used to do a lot more journaling than I'm currently doing, and part of that is because of my bandwidth. But at the end of the day, doing routines is more important to me. Hitting, like, did I journal every day? And so if I were to say, oh, like I, I need to journal, that's not gonna work if it's all over the place. So now I kind of wake up between six and seven o'clock. I usually have my seven o'clock Pilates class that I go to. I leave 10 minutes early. I speed walk over there.

I go to my class. I drink a half a bottle of water, a 40 ounce Stanley Cup staying hydrated.

James Petrossi: Nice.

Gigi: important too for mental health, which I think is very underrated. Actually, and part of it is one, because you're gonna have to pee a lot if you drink two of these a day. And that forces you to get up and move a lot.

And that is very helpful to change your, your state and your energy and your endorphins and your physiology so that you're able to just feel like [00:25:00] different at any time you're coming back to your desk and. So that's important to me. But I wake up early. I go to my class, I come back, I have breakfast, and then by 8 30, 9 o'clock I am ready to rock and roll with work. And again, then I usually do a mid-morning walk for the dogs. I do a mid-afternoon or early evening walk for them, and then I'll do like another late night or post dinner walk. And then that's kind of the routine and. wanna start incorporating some journaling and meditating and red light into that. I do my skincare.

I also take a very hot but quick shower every single night. I know that like sounds probably normal, but when you live with a health issue, I will say doing basic things, the bare minimum can feel daunting. And so I'm just like, you know what? Before bed, 10 minutes before bed. Just get into the shower, do the hot shower, rinse yourself off, rinse the day off, and literally think [00:26:00] you're rinsing the day off and tomorrow you'll start new.

And when you do that, I don't know what it is about it, but that has been so nice my routine. And I also keep like eucalyptus in a candle in the shower to like make it vibey and a speaker, even though I'm usually not in there very long. But yeah, that's been helpful as well.

James Petrossi: I think that's all great advice and you know, whether it's the habitual routines, the way to take time out to get peace of mind. I love aromatics in the shower, anything to calm your nervous system. And I think, you know, you don't need to have a chronic illness to understand that our nervous systems are exacerbated.

So any way that we can enter the chill zone

Gigi: Yeah.

James Petrossi: is a good thing. I.

Gigi: On that note, I also use this app called Opal, which I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's basically a screen blocking app. And so from 8:30 PM to 8:30 AM my socials and digital like [00:27:00] connection, I guess is locked. So if you send me something or if work tries to interfere during those hours, I'm sorry, but it's gonna wait until the morning.

And that's because I also believe that. You have to shut it off at some point. And when you're a creator, if you let that boundary go, or if you don't establish that boundary, you're gonna find yourself feeling drained. Because then at night, instead of focusing on reading or watching a movie, or going for a walk or playing a board game or doing a. or whatever, which is usually gonna be better for your own personal development. You're just gonna be doom scrolling. And then if you doom scroll in the night, it's also gonna mess up your eyes and your circadian rhythm because you're looking at blue light really late. And yes, I am a little crunchy, so I'm sorry if this sounds too crunchy, but I believe in that stuff.

I keep my phone out of my room. I have a no phone rule in the bedroom. [00:28:00] And also at the end of the day, I leave. Leave work. I leave my home office here and I close the door and my, my boyfriend and I wanna come in here and like, have like a creative brainstorm, which sometimes we do, but we don't use tech.

Like we, we make sure that it's off and we like set the light up so that it just looks like vibey and different in here because I'm in here all day from eight 30 until usually like six, maybe five, and. I just have this routine where I leave work, I shut the door, I leave my tech in here, and I don't check anything the next morning.

And that is just a discipline that I have had to do for my business to work and for me to be sustainable in it and to nurture everything that's gonna make me Gigi better. [00:29:00] Gigi, founder, creator, speaker, author, and a lot of creators, in my opinion, make this mistake of merging the two and not having a distinct compartmentalization of work and life because their work is their life. And so you need to have things that you don't record, or if you record it, you're not. Editing it and posting it right away that you can wait until tomorrow because guess what? Nobody knows or cares if you post something in the moment. Literally, nobody will know.

James Petrossi: Yeah. Well, I love the idea of sacred time. Sacred spaces. It's something we all need more of and that ability to disconnect. Now, there are people right now that are listening to this that are either going through a 30 day disconnection challenge or some people that are just looking to get inspired by creators and get healthier social media habits.

What encouragement advice do you have for them on their [00:30:00] journey to create balance within this digital force that beckons to all of us?

Gigi: So for a while I used to think it was like, oh, build a social schedule and like really stick to it for me, that doesn't work. It just, it, it just doesn't work. I personally need to spend time getting into my feed, seeing what inspires me, and I have designated time on my schedule with time blocks. So something I like to call creator business days are very real things that I do where I have some admin days.

I have some days dedicated to filming, but other times I'll just do a block or two of filming during the day. Maybe it'll take me 30 minutes max per video to film when I have to film, and then I'll spend time editing it another day. It's almost like something I learned in art school. That I think was a lesson that [00:31:00] has just been really impactful is knowing when to stop and just, it's better done than perfect. And an art when you're going through a Bachelor's of Fine Arts and you go through two to four revision rounds with your class and your teacher to get to the final revision round, it's almost like. There's a never ending rotation of it. It could use more work. There's just never a point where you're gonna be fully satisfied and say, I think this is perfect. I mean, it happens, but as an art student, they force you to bring 2, 3, 4 critiques sometimes of the same project. With a different edit, a different crop, a different aspect ratio, a different presentation. And the reason [00:32:00] they do that is obviously to prepare you for working in real life creative world where that happens at agencies, that happens at creative media houses, et cetera. But as a creator. Usually you are the one who has to do the critique. And so I've found that if I film something and then I have to go straight into editing it, that I have a hard time getting it better done than perfect. I just will keep trying to perfect it and like wanna keep filming whatever, instead of just saying, you know what? I filmed all my lines. I got it. I don't need to do anymore. And then the next day going, okay. Maybe we've uploaded everything into the, the, you know, premier pro or cap cut or whatever I'm using to edit, and then I'm gonna edit that next day. And then it's like you're seeing it with a new, fresh perspective, which has just really helped me, again, like my workflow, [00:33:00] be less nitpicky.

And it's because you have to wear so many hats as a creator. So definitely better done than perfect. And, put time on your calendar, especially if you're doing this full time, time on your calendar that's segmented towards different areas. I will say also have my email open all the time, my Instagram, my LinkedIn, and yeah. Oh and chat GPT. I have all of those tabs open, non-negotiable every single day all the time. And those just help me kind of keep tabs throughout the day. If I'm taking a quick break, I'll just take like a quick scroll break for like five minutes and just see is there anything interesting, inspiring, but again, that's baked into my calendar and also. If you are not doing this full-time, I guess figuring out your goal, because if you have a goal to just post on social media, [00:34:00] that's great, but like is it a hobby or is it to make money? Is it a business? And I know it takes some time to actually get traction and start making money with it, but. really can't get to the point where you're making money without it being a hobby first.

And so you kind of have to figure out, when do I wanna start pitching myself? When do I actively wanna label that I'm a professional? Trying to make this a business? And when you're doing it part-time, I'm sure it's a lot harder to juggle because you don't have all of your eggs in one basket, but. When you do do it full time, guess what?

Then you're gonna start being asked to do public speaking. Then you're gonna wanna write a book, then you're gonna wanna write another book. Then you're gonna wanna do webinars and make other things. And that's what inspired me to now create host of Influence, which is my second business. So that is like running as well while I'm doing everything focused.

So it's just, it's just a never ending thing. You have to keep iterating on.

James Petrossi: Yeah, very true. I mean, [00:35:00] it's a living, breathing progression and to find balance and to reach your goals at the same time is quite a tension that all creators go through and all. All of those who have any type of relationship with social media, we all have to find that balance.

Gigi: Yeah.

James Petrossi: Well, thank you so much.

You've been such an amazing guest. I love your story. Your book is amazing. There's a link to it in the show notes, but thank you so much. Really appreciate it, Gigi.

Gigi: This was so fun, and I'm excited for everybody to learn and any words of encouragement, like everybody always says, well, I wanna get started doing what you're doing. And I'm like, then start. They expect me to say something like super profound and I'm like, guys, like literally you are the only person stopping yourself. Like people say, Gigi, how do you do public speaking? Oh. Start messaging people to go on their podcast. there. You're not gonna get invited to be on a panel tomorrow if you started posting [00:36:00] yesterday. So you just have to take these baby steps and over time, you'll, you'll definitely get there, but you have to just start.

James Petrossi: Awesome. Great words of advice. Share. Leave the feed with a friend. Give us a rating. And don't be afraid to disconnect. Thanks Gigi.