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Manhood often feels like navigating through uncharted territory, but you don't have to walk alone. Join us as we guide a conversation about how to live intentionally so that we can join God in reclaiming the masculine restorative presence he designed us to live out. Laugh, cry, and wonder with us as we explore the ins and outs of manhood together.
Cody Buriff
Welcome to this week's episode of the Restorative Man podcast. I'm Cody Buriff and I get to host this week with Jesse French. What's up, Cody? It's good to converse with you being recorded again.
Jesse French
Always a treat, Cody, for sure.
Cody Buriff
Well, this week, I know this podcast is going to get released specifically a couple of days before Ash Wednesday. And we were talking about this a little bit. My background with like the whole Lent season and Ash Wednesday and all that, you know, I think maybe we had a good Friday service occasionally growing up. I know we obviously we had Easter, but I never really heard about Lent or Ash Wednesday. Like I grew up in the Cincinnati area. And so
But going to a Protestant church. so there's a lot of Catholics in the Cincinnati area. so I heard about it and I would see people with like the little ash thingy on their forehead. But mostly my source of understanding when the Lenten season was happening was like all the restaurants would start selling fish sandwiches or fish and chips. And then you don't feel like the like homemade signs in front of all the Catholic churches for the fish fries on Fridays.
Jesse French
Okay.
Cody Buriff
Okay, like, okay, it must be lent, you know?
Jesse French
That was like the trigger for you of, okay, fish is making its way onto the menu of our city and the...
Cody Buriff
Exactly,
Jesse French
Do you remember some of what your thoughts were like as a kid? Was it just kind of one of those things of like, huh, that's interesting. Or like, did it just sort of, you know, in one ear out the other? Like, do you remember any of that?
Cody Buriff
Yeah. I mean, there was probably some in one ear out the other. There was for sure. I probably had some curiosity, but never enough to actually like do anything about it. You know, and we didn't as a family that just wasn't part of our tradition. didn't even sell it. I was actually born in Louisiana, moved up to Cincinnati when I was like two years old. So like down there, fat Tuesday, Mardi Gras was a thing. Yeah. Like area.
Jesse French
right.
Cody Buriff
Yes, man, but none of those traditions migrated up with us. So yeah, I didn't know squat, man.
Jesse French
So when, as you got older then, there, what kind of, is your experience with that now? Does that, has that kind of worked its way into, your practice? Yeah. How does that play now?
Cody Buriff
Yeah, not in like major significant ways. Like I think probably more in the last few years, even, you know, I think I came to understand, you know, a little bit more of the High Church calendar, probably in my twenties, but didn't really observe anything very often. Or maybe I'd fast from, I don't know, social media or something like that at one point. But you know, last year I cut out alcohol for Lent. You know, but nothing.
I haven't engaged it in significant ways before. Yeah. Yeah. This is interesting to talk about.
Jesse French
Man, as you know, it's great to hear that framework. Cause I think I would imagine that's a fairly common arc for people, especially in the, like you said, in the Protestant expression of the Christian faith, you know, that can be, there's maybe less, less common or less practice. And yeah, as you and I were talking beforehand, we thought, Hey, there is the timeliness of this on the calendar. And you and I's just bent of like, Hey, this matters.
And I think there's a goodness and an invitation that Lent offers us that is something that we need. And I'm with you. do that in the way of like, I'm a Protestant that is, you know, not deeply steeped in that tradition. So for those that are in other expressions of the faith that really, you know, experienced the whole beauty and depth of that, like kind of some slack and, or just teach us more, we want to learn. And so there's, guess that's our, my disclaimer around, around health and some of that.
I'm kind of with you, Cody. think kind of the one around college was when there was just some more awareness of, Hey, this is the sense of like, this is an important season that can be engaged. And the fasting of from something felt like that was just, that's what you were supposed to do. And, ⁓ my quick story around that is I was doing a semester abroad and lent started and had, was lucky enough to just make a handful of friends kind of from.
all over the world. And so had a Norwegian friend who is this just gem of a human. New Zealand. So you're down in New Zealand, which was awesome. And so let's start. And I decide to give up sugar as my fast. And those of you who know me, like I love sugar so much. So I'm like stumbling my way through the fast. It's just like this brutal for me. Like it's, it's really hard.
Cody Buriff
Where were you? said a-
Jesse French
But then I also chose to on Sundays, like have a chance to break the fast. So Lent, right? Like Sundays are a feast day and so they don't actually count towards the 40 days before Easter. So on Sundays, I would say, yeah, I I could have some sugar. So in New Zealand, we spent a lot of time on the weekends backpacking and traveling together with a small group of friends. And so my friend from Norway has no experience or sort of familiarity with Lent or what that looks like. And so he would see me on Sundays throughout the week. I'd just be.
griping and, you know, I wish I had some sugar, blah, blah, like a total, total martyr. And then Sunday would come and there was a Cadbury chocolate factory in New Zealand. And so you could get like delicious Cadbury chocolate bars at the grocery store. And so I get a big one, like this chocolate caramel one. Cody, there was no sense of like slow savoring of that on Sunday. I would inhale it.
And he would look at me and rightfully so. And I wish I could do a Norwegian accent. I can't. But in his Norwegian accent, he spoke very good English. But he looked at me one time and just said, I don't understand. Like, what is the point of this? are a martyr for six days and then you just, you know, like this glutton on the seventh. And I was like, shut up, free chop. want to eat my chop fire. You really mature on my side of it.
But, that's funny. It is.
Cody Buriff
Yeah, that's hilarious story. I wonder if for our audience, for some people, if it'd be helpful if we kind of step back for a second, would you kind of give us a, you know, reasonably high level or low level, whatever, like what is Lent? What are we talking about here? yeah. Yeah.
Jesse French
Yeah
Yeah. So the way that I understand it is around the fourth century, the church decided that the Lenten period, observance of Lent should be practiced and sort of align with the 40 days of fasting that Christ had in the wilderness. And they said, Hey, we, want to be able to take where Easter is and backtrack 40 days and have a period of fasting that leads up to, to Holy Week and ultimately to Easter. And so
I think in the early church, was where there even was for people new to the faith, a preparation for baptism that would often happen on Easter Sunday. But later the season kind of evolved to be, this is a general period where we want to practice self-reflection, to practice an engagement of what is the suffering in our own lives, in the world, what is our role in that? And ultimately as a season of self-reflection.
Penitence and it's interesting when I was looking at it, they use the word renewal, that that would be some of the hope of the season of self-examination that leads up to Easter. so Ash Wednesday, which is just about a couple of days away, that is the marker of the start of Lent. And specifically for the ways that that expressed, obviously there's a lot of specific or uniquenesses, but in general to kick off the season of Lent.
to consider our own mortality, our need for repentance, our need for savior, and to have a service that engages that on some level for the kicking off of the season of Lent. And so that's maybe a high level and we're, we're exhausting my knowledge pretty fast. like, else would you add to that, Cody?
Cody Buriff
No, I mean that, that all makes get that, that was yeah, pretty comprehensive as far as I know. I'm sure some of our friends that are Catholic or Orthodox could, you know, school us really well. But yeah, to summarize that it's a period of fasting typically of some sort for the 40 days leading up to Easter. so, you know, you mentioned a few different things around suffering about, you know, engaging mortality.
Do you know why ashes like, why do people put ashes on their forehead?
Jesse French
Well, mean, the, that's a great question. I don't know that the total answer, you know, for the community that I worship with, they, at Ash Wednesday, and often churches will do this, right? You mentioned that, people can go and receive the mark of a cross made out of ashes. And they say the phrase from dusty came and to dusty will return. Right? And so this acknowledgement, right, of the, of creation story of, and framing that right around.
the mortality that we have. Why ashes? Shoot, man, that's a great question.
Cody Buriff
Maybe we should have researched that.
Jesse French
Somewhere someone's listening to this and they're like pounding the dashboard like, duh, it's because of this.
Cody Buriff
Probably. Well, let's jump in a little bit more of the like practical. What are people doing and why? Like what is the invitation for?
Jesse French
Yeah.
Yeah. I think I love that question. I think there's probably lots of layers to that. And I want to hear what you have to say. I think the invitation to look honestly at our own lives and consider what, what is true. What is the reality of, I would say like some of the suffering that is present in our life, that suffering that either we receive suffering that we
participate in, right? That we actually have a role in that have been a part of, and to actually take a sober look at what some of that is out of, I believe, the larger invitation of which Holy Week is part of, right? The reality of suffering in the world, Christ engages that. And also, you know, that invitation is given to us to actually take an honest look at where that is in our lives in the world.
And to consider some of our, role in that. So I think that's one piece to the season of Lent that obviously is leading towards Holy week where, you the suffering of Jesus is, you know, at its peak. Right. So I think that's one piece that I think Lent invites us to. I'm curious for you, Cody, how that lands, you know, like just sort of that threaded of what Lent can hold. What's some of the next reaction to you as you think through that?
Cody Buriff
Yeah. I mean, I would say it doesn't sound fun, you know, and frankly, like for a long time, I was not good at grieving or suffering. You know, my mindset was much more like power through it or rise up over it or, you know, that kind of thing. And I think that's kind of indicative of.
at least Western Protestant Christianity, but I'm just going to say like the West in general, like we avoid suffering in every way possible as much as possible. And so yeah, the idea of engaging that and even examining it or choosing it. Yeah, that's just not something that we want to do usually. And I think that's maybe part of why it's such an important invitation.
Jesse French
Yeah.
Keep unpacking that Cody, like because it is something that we, we are resistant to. We need a season that says, Hey, this matters, but keep going with that. Why is that important? And when we choose not to engage it, what is some of the harm of that?
Cody Buriff
Yeah. Well, maybe I'll speak to a couple different things and then even maybe jump into my own personal life in the last couple of years. So I think it is an invitation to kind of lamentations to lament and also, like you said, suffering. think there's a difference between healthy lamenting and like unhealthy. Unhealthy is like this, like hopeless despair, right? Or you just kind of cash it in and you're like, I'm done, I'm out. I don't even, you know, there's nothing I can do here. You numb it or, whatever.
But a healthy lament is kind of seeing, examining, taking in the brokenness, failure, you know, even when you fast, it's like, you're probably going to fail at some point in your fast. that's maybe part of the process, but it's taking those things in and continuing to live with hope for what is to come. know, even just thinking more broadly going, you know, way back, it's like, you know, there's the 40 days of Christ.
You know, was in the wilderness fasting. There's the 40 years the Israelites were in the wilderness before entering the promised land. You know, you think about even with like pregnancy, right? 40 weeks. Yeah. You know, there's 40 weeks of, you know, and I'm not a woman, so I can't speak to it directly, but like, it's pretty obvious there's some suffering happening, you know.
Jesse French
Yeah.
Cody Buriff
Along the way it messes up your body and the way you taste food and like all, you know, hormone, all the things, right? Yep. There is a suffering season before the birthing of new life. And you know, the labor pains ultimately point to an end in this resurrection, this new life. And that I think is, is why it's important.
Jesse French
Mm-hmm.
Cody Buriff
We need to be able to engage in the suffering so that we can then also engage in the resurrection and the new life. think for myself, when I look back over the last couple of years, it's, mean, it's not something I planned or chose or wanted, but I've had a season of grieving and frankly, for me, learning how to grieve, you know, you and I are both Enneagram threes and typically for an Enneagram three, grief does not come easily.
And, you know, neither does celebration for that matter. It's, it's kind of this constant like nose to the grindstone sort of thing. But things have, have led me into this space. think God has led me to a space of having to engage grief and suffering. And what's fascinating is that I think what I've noticed and come to realize is, maybe just experience is the presence of God there in ways that I.
Never experienced him without it, without grief or outside of suffering and that his presence there. And so I think there is something to the practice of it. The, the intentional engagement of it in that even, know, when you think like, I I can't remember the verse off top of my head right now, but it's talking about how we suffer with Christ. He suffers with us.
Jesse French
Yep.
Cody Buriff
You know, and the reality is, like, I'm a little all over the place here, but like, do you remember in, know, when it, when he's talking to Paul and he's like, why are you persecuting me? When he was still Saul. Yeah. Right. Well, Saul wasn't persecuting Jesus, the person he was persecuting the body of Christ. Right. Right. Right. And so they're similarly, it's like Christ suffers.
and invites us to join him in his suffering and in so doing joins us in ours and he actually suffers with us as we suffer things.
Jesse French
Yes.
I love that you said that because I think that's such an important thing to say. And I think in some ways, the early church maybe knew that in ways that, in different ways that we do. Like today you will hear people often when they address God or talk about God, they'll talk about like all powerful God, which I believe is true. But it's interesting to me that the early church would actually address them as all suffering God.
the suffering nature of what you were talking about of who God is, of his experience of suffering, cosmically of his experience of suffering individually in our own lives. They believe that that was fundamental to the identity, to the character of God. And so, you know, if we take that to be true, like your invitation to say, Hey, our engagement of suffering is actually the invitation to meet and experience the presence of God. And maybe conversely flipped our unwillingness to do that.
in some ways is shutting off of like, of the presence of God to say, look, if we believe he is present and experiencing suffering with us, to choose not to engage on a certain level is to choose to miss his invitation for us, for to be with us.
Cody Buriff
Totally. Totally. Okay. A little left turn. What you said just makes me really curious, Jesse. So the suffering God, the all suffering God, that's not how we think of God today. So I'm just going to like put you on the spot. How would you say today, modern Christian men view God and why is it hard to view him as a suffering God, a co-suffering God?
Jesse French
Yeah, that's such a good question. I think on, one pretty strong level, the resistance towards a suffering God is because like, frankly, I want a God who wins. I want a God where I can be on his team and we're on the right side and like, we win. Like where there's the absence of suffering, like.
And so to say yes to failure, mistake, embarrassment, suffering, like no, whatever dimension of that, that flies in the face of, I think our deep desire of, we, we want to be part of the winning team. I was talking about it with one of our colleagues yesterday of, you know, in some ways I think that's a thread of the crucifixion of Jesus, right? ⁓
of the people saying like, thought you were going to overthrow Rome. We thought we were going to win and we're losing. so like, what the heck? We want to be on the winning side. And I say that not like I'm, I'm part of that, right? Like the desire to have it right, to be part of the team that gets it right. think that is deeply in our culture.
Who we are as humans, men, like all of that, think. So the invitation to suffer is a direct ⁓ assault to that.
Cody Buriff
Yeah.
That's interesting. And I mean, and obviously the reality of that is like, well, the suffering was the path to actual victory. You know, that's that. Yeah, totally, totally irony. Yeah. I wonder too, like when I think about the suffering God, you know, every masculine archetype, every like, you know, king or sage or, know,
Jesse French
Correct.
Cody Buriff
Just anything masculine never in my life seemed to indicate like engaging pain, suffering, lamenting, you know, even like just that was emotional weakness. Yes. You know, even if I saw it happening, there was a shame about it happening. And so to consider God as a suffering God, like almost came across probably as shameful or weak.
You know, and so the idea of God as sufferer, you know, even just the discomfort of like sitting with the picture of Jesus in the garden weeping and struggling. Like I almost never saw him like that. I saw him more of like, man, he's tough. He sweat blood. Right? Yeah. You know, like not the like, ⁓ my gosh, he was grieved to that level.
That just wasn't something that as a man felt identifiable.
Jesse French
For sure. And I think if we then consider our own lives and again, like our experience of other men, isn't that part of the reason it feels so counter and so weird and disruptive when we are around other men who are somehow willing to engage pain, who are not like hitting the eject button out of the lament of the suffering in their own lives, of our own suffering, of their willingness to engage with us in that space.
that. That feels like such this rare thing, but when it is present, it is like, holy cow, this is, this is a remarkable gift.
Cody Buriff
Yeah.
It's
Yeah. Most of the time you either have the guys who are powering up and you know, trying to overpower, overcome it, not engage it, or the guys who are, know, taking the quote unquote, the easy way out or numbing it out with, know, whatever addiction and yeah, finding somebody like seeing someone who suffers well, that's rare. is.
Jesse French
I
can remember Andrew Bauman as a friend of Restoration Project. heard him speak several years ago and he just used the phrase that I really liked. He's like, there's a discipline to suffering. Like there is a willingness to choose that, to engage that, that it is actually a discipline. And I think that is some of what Len is inviting us to.
Cody Buriff
Yeah, totally.
Jesse French
Cody, what, with all that said, maybe connect some of the dots of why then, what end do you think this practice of fasting, of removing something for our life, or some people will also choose to add something to their life in this season of Lent. Kind of connect those dots of why, why is that needed or what is ideally kind of the benefit of how that practice of fasting enables us to engage some of the meaning of suffering during Lent.
Cody Buriff
Yeah. Well, I mean, in terms of fasting, typically, I mean, traditionally there, you know, food was involved. And so, and that, that has looked a lot of different ways over the course of time, but bottom line, I think there's an embodiment when we remove food from our lives in some way for, you know, a period of time. know there was some traditions where like you don't eat until 3 PM somewhere noon.
somewhere you don't eat on this day or these three days or you don't whatever. Yeah. At the end of the day, if you're, if you're fasting from food, you're going to feel something in your body and it's going to be hunger and maybe some anger for that matter. Right. And I think that there is, there's a reality that the embodiment of hunger
Jesse French
Maybe.
Cody Buriff
You know, not only identifies with, what Jesus was experiencing, it does say like, he went without food for 40 days and was hungry afterwards. So it's not like he was like, just God and didn't actually need food for 40 days. He was hungry. Yep. But I think the hunger that we can feel is actually pointing us to something. And then even then the feasting afterwards, pointing us to something and it's the hunger for what is to come.
And then is the glimpse and enjoyment of what is to come when we ultimately sit down at the marriage supper of the lamb and the next life in heaven. the engagement of that is what it points us to. But I think there's something important about the embodiment.
Jesse French
that you said that, that this is not a purely intellectual cognitive engagement. That makes so much sense. And, and don't you think within that too, in that embodiment, like there is another reminder, another way to sense like, yes, the discomfort, but also to sense there's a space where like for food, where there once was food, there's an absence of that. And so there's now.
more room in my life, or even if you take something like, you know, fasting from social media or something like that, there is a gap. There is room where this once was that now gives us an invitation to, to consider, right? Our own life, suffering, what we have agency over what we don't, right? Like there is a forced clearing of some of that, that frankly we need, I would say, because, because again, what you're saying.
The natural bent is not, yeah, I'm just like, let's spend 20 minutes considering the suffering. Hard pass. I'm out.
Cody Buriff
Well, and what you said triggers another thought in my mind, the reality of like, this was a communal thing. This was not like individually, you know, and typically when I think at least in my backstory, it's like when you hear about fasting, you're like not supposed to let the left hand know what the right hand's doing. You're not supposed to fast in a way that like, you know, other people know it because you, know, you don't want to be showing off that you're fasting or whatever, you know, ego thing, whatever. like Lent was a season where everybody as a community was doing this together. Like the butcher.
Jesse French
Yeah
Cody Buriff
Didn't have a whole lot of work to do. Right. And so there is the, there's that reality that like, you're not just suffering on your own. You're suffering together. You're not just reflecting on your own. You're reflecting together. You know, it was a communal thing.
Jesse French
Yes. Yes. That's such a good point, Cody. And the wisdom of that, right? To say, look, we need to be in this together so that we can engage each other differently. So there is some of the really wise piece of like, this is what we're doing as a whole. I'm not just lone wolfing it, but like we all are stepping into that. then ideally, hopefully that the on-ramp into the engagement with other people around that could be tremendous, right? Like, Hey, as, as you are fasting, as you are engaging suffering,
How has that been? What has come to mind?
Cody Buriff
Yeah, that's good. Well, and then at the end, you know, there's also the feasting together.
Jesse French
And I think some of it too is this is all theory. So I'll throw it out there, but I don't know if I could ever recount and just say like, man, here was a season of lent where that the heart of what of reflection and engagement of suffering was truly engaged, not just the outer exterior of a fast, but the deep engagement of the heart behind it. I have to imagine that.
When that is tried with all of its challenges and, you know, mistakes and whatever, it is a piece of when Holy Week comes and Easter comes, the ability to truly feast to celebrate is so much more.
Cody Buriff
It's so different. It's not the family potluck dinner that like is just kind of your normal, whatever, you know, but it's like, ⁓ we're actually celebrating something. Yeah.
Jesse French
Yes. You say it a lot and it's so good. Like grief and celebration, like is actually the expression of the same muscle. Like we cannot have one without the other. so, to truly celebrate the resurrection, we, the true engagement of suffering is needed.
Cody Buriff
Yeah. Okay. This is really practical for guys listening. You know, maybe you've never done this before. Maybe you've done it a hundred times, whatever, but like, what are some ideas? This is, know, not prescriptions, but like possible ways that we could actually engage this season.
Jesse French
Yeah. So I'll throw out good ones from other people that I have been like, wow. That's really smart. One of them was a friend of mine a couple of years ago who said, actually want to add something to my life. And that addition for him was the practice of journaling each day. And so he just added, and he was like, this is five or 10 minutes. This was not massive essay, but it was, Hey,
Cody Buriff
Uh-huh.
Jesse French
I'm going to add this practice of reflection throughout Lent. And I thought that's a creative one. And obviously the lens itself too, right? The consideration, the creation of space for that. Yep. Another one that someone said several years ago that I thought, man, that is really, really clever. And also I think really wise was my friend said, you know, for Lent, I am going to willingly choose the slow lane and traffic.
the longest, longest line at the grocery store. Like I intentionally choose the slowest route possible. I don't know I remember him saying that. I was like, Oh my gosh, that sounds like pure torture. And he did say, he's like, you know, it's not all like the heavens haven't opened when I'm, you know, on the slow lane and on the interstate. But he did say like, there is an invitation towards slowness.
towards the consideration, again, the creation of space that has been undeniable. So I'm like, man, that's a fascinating one.
Cody Buriff
That's interesting. Wow.
Jesse French
One
other one, some good friends of ours, they maybe have done this for multiple years, is they said, Hey, our practice is we are going to choose what the, like the groceries that we buy to do that in a way and in a thoughtful way so that we are allotted our quota of trash for the week has to fit in a small plastic bag. Like out of engagement for an awareness of, okay, stewards of.
Cody Buriff
Yeah.
Jesse French
God's call to steward creation well. said, Hey, we, we want to make decisions during land that our impact and the trash that we are having is fits in the small plastic bag.
Cody Buriff
And yeah, initially when you said that I heard like junk food, but you're talking about like plastic wrappers.
Jesse French
like
the physical trash. And you know, they, they're empty nesters that I've got. like a little bit more occasion, but they said, look at, you know, the beauty of that was it totally influenced, you know, what they bought, what they made, what they, what they consumed in ways I think that they said, like fostered some greater awareness of who we are as stewards. those are a couple of random ones, but yeah. Yeah.
Cody Buriff
No, that's good. Yeah. I love the, I, I like that. Some of the other ones we've kind of mentioned, like social media seems like a big one that people do, which is probably really healthy. You know, one I'm considering is, what would it be like to fast from television or even screens after whatever we'll say six or 7 PM or something like that. Yep. As a family, you know, might get a little pushback.
Jesse French
Yeah
Cody Buriff
But then I think there is something to the food and the embodiment there. know, you mentioned the fasting from sugar. think that it can be a massive one for people. That's actually really freaking hard. Yeah. So good in so many ways, you know, you know, and then there's the, there's the other food fasting, you know, whatever that looks like.
Jesse French
Have you ever thought, you ever considered giving up coffee?
Cody Buriff
I would do that. That's not hard for me, Jesse. really? I didn't start drinking coffee till about a decade ago. Okay.
Jesse French
Man, judo.
Okay. Man, that thought always crosses my mind is like, I really wanted to be hardcore. would do that. And I think I would be, oh man, just a.
Cody Buriff
He's admitting that you're a drug addict.
Jesse French
Yes, I am admitting that. So I'm outing myself.
Cody Buriff
Ugh, well, it's been a good conversation.
Jesse French
Yeah. Thanks for exploring it, Cody. Yeah. I personally am like, this is encouraging. So selfishly thanks for, for unpacking it some more.
Cody Buriff
Definitely. Guys, as you're listening, if you're, you know, trying to consider what you might do, maybe you want to give up coffee, maybe you don't, that's okay. But I think we can, we can encourage you to, to do something. Figure out some way for you, your family, even your friends, circle group, whatever, to engage suffering for a season together and for you as an individual as well. So.
Jesse French
I've got a dandy quote that I want to end as, or add as the, the benediction. So Stephanie Duncan Smith, she says this, that aligns with Cody's invitation. As a person, I have found that the ritual of Ash Wednesday and Lent, because while it declares that time is short, it makes no imperative to enjoy every moment. Its invitation is far simpler and far richer.
It is to simply be in the present moment, whatever it holds. The call of the Lenten liturgy is to remember your end so that you can tend meaningfully to this moment in the confidence that you're here and now are the exact coordinates where God meets us.
Cody Buriff
Good.
Jesse French
Thanks, Code. Appreciate you