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Spartan Transfer Hub is a podcast for transfer students at Michigan State University, and beyond, brought to you by the Transfer Student Success Center (TSSC).
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You're listening to the Spartan Transfer Hub brought to you by MSU Transfer Student Success Center and Impact eighty nine FM. Here's what we've got for you today. Welcome to season two of the Spartan Transfer Hub podcast brought to you by Impact eighty nine FM and the MSU Transfer Student Success Center. We are back for episode three of this podcast, all about the transfer student experience here at Michigan State. If you're new, this podcast is where we share stories, answer your questions, and talk all things related to MSU transfer students.
Siddhi:I'm your host, Siti Chawbeh. I identify with sheher pronouns. I'm a senior majoring in journalism and communication with minors in broadcast journalism, public relations, and business. And I'm so excited to kick off this new episode with you. And today, I'm not alone.
Siddhi:I've got some amazing guests from the MSU First Gen Student Success here with me. Would you all like to introduce yourselves?
Marlene:Yes. Hello, everyone. My name is Marlene Villa. I'm the coordinator for First Gen Student Success. I also use she, her, Eeya pronouns.
Marlene:And so happy to be here to
Selena:talk about first gen students. Hi, everyone. My name is Selena Salinas. I'm a student lead for the Fly program, and I use sheher pronouns. And I'm a double major here at MSU studying criminal justice and psychology, and I'm in my senior year.
Sarah:Hi, everybody. My name is Sarah Roard. I am the program director for First Generation Student Success here at Michigan State University. I use sheher pronouns, and I'm really excited to have this conversation, especially since First Gen Week will be starting on November 3.
Siddhi:And speaking of first gen week, I have a few questions that I wanna ask all of you. But before we get into those, we're talking about what it's really like to be a first gen Spartan and also what it's like to support a first gen Spartan. The challenges, the pride, and the incredible strength that it takes to be the first in your family to attend college. So let's start with a fun icebreaker. If you could describe your journey at MSU so far as a song, title or lyric, what would it be and why?
Siddhi:Okay. I can go first.
Selena:So I chose the song Love Yours by J Cole and a piece from that song. His lyric is no such thing as a life that's better than yours. And I chose that because I feel like oftentimes being first gen and undergrad and higher ed, we have the tendency to compare ourselves to others. And I feel like that's just a general reminder that, yeah, while the person next to you may seem like they're living a better life than you, like you never know what hardships they had to go through as well that you're facing too. So it just kind of reminds you to appreciate the little things that you have.
Sarah:Yeah.
Marlene:I couldn't really think of a song title or lyric, but the word that came to mind was a roller coaster. Because when I was an undergrad, there was a lot of ups and downs being a first gen and Latina student in a predominantly white institution. And so there was a lot of good things. Like I was able to study abroad for a whole semester, but then I didn't get a lot of funding in my final year. And so there was just like a lot of ups and downs.
Marlene:So I I think of it as a roller coaster.
Sarah:Yeah. I had a hard time thinking of a song or anything. I was thinking back to my time in college and thinking just about songs that kind of were popular in the moment. And I kept thinking of the band fun thinking that was actually the name of the song, not the name of the band. And so We're Young was probably the one that came to mind first, just thinking that it's such it was such a good time, but also really disorienting, right?
Sarah:Thinking about all the different unknowns and just whatever that next step might be is something a little bit fun, but also
Siddhi:unknown. That's awesome. Okay. Let's let's jump into the questions. Let's start with something personal.
Siddhi:Let's start with something personal. What does being first generation mean to each of you?
Selena:So being first gen to me means overcoming a lot of hardships that we face in higher ed and kind of breaking through the barriers that are set in place for first gens to kind of not accomplish or overcome. But it also means having to prove yourself and do more of the work than somebody who's not first gen, because you kind of have to prove that you can take up space here too. And you have just about the same opportunities, if not more, to accomplish things that you want to do as well so that you can be successful just as the next person.
Sarah:I can go next. I think one of the things I wanna just touch on briefly is that how MSU defines first gen as well, which is that neither parent or guardian has achieved earning a four year degree. And I think that that can be something that a lot of students will discount in their identity. And I know I did as a student thinking, well, my dad has a, you know, trade certificate from a community college. He had some college, so therefore, I must know how to do this on my own.
Sarah:And so just wanting students to recognize it's a very broad definition and that 21% of us fit that definition and to embrace it and to find comfort in it. I think for me, I didn't know that I was first gen right away, but once I found that I was first gen, I could take a deep breath and just go like, oh,
Marlene:I
Sarah:guess this I understand now a little bit more why I maybe feel like I'm struggling compared to my roommate whose parents have master's degrees or my friend who's mom is a teacher and went through college. And so I think a lot of times we think I'm I think of first gen, I think of loneliness. Right? Because it's an invisible identity, and I know I really experienced that during my time in college.
Marlene:Yeah. I think even though, like, at MSU, we do have that definition that that we use to describe first gen students. It doesn't mean that that's, that's it, right? Like first gen can mean different things for different people. And it's, it's really just more like, if you feel like you're, you know, you're kind of like going through the motions and you're having some challenges, some difficulties, and like, don't really know who to go to for support, to ask questions.
Marlene:That's like, that's what it feels to like be first gen, right? Like you don't really know who to go to or like what to ask or when to ask or how to ask, right? Like it's just like unknowing and being lonely and feeling that way. And I think that's what it means to me. And it can be more brought in than just like the official definition that we have.
Marlene:Because a lot of times, like we don't know students, you know, what their backgrounds are, their families are, or like what the relationships are there. They might have a parent that went to college, but they might necessarily be talking to them, right? So it can be more nuanced than the official definition that we have. So I think that's also important to mention.
Siddhi:I think it's really interesting you say that because also as an international student, I think coming here for the first time and kind of seeing like a traditional four year college, especially when my parents weren't here, was very like unique for me. But I think all of your definitions really put that into perspective now. So thank you. And so moving on, what would you say is the biggest surprise or adjustment you faced when you came to MSU?
Sarah:Think
Selena:for me, I think the biggest thing that I struggled with and kind of faced was imposter syndrome, especially in my first year. Because being a person of color at a PWI can be very, very intimidating when you don't have the proper resources. And especially when you don't know who to go to, to ask for help. And for me, I struggled to find those resources on my own and even how to ask for help because I always grew up kind of figuring it out on my own because I didn't have somebody to go to because my parents like they didn't go to higher ed either. So it was just difficult to basically find everything on my own.
Selena:And that's the biggest thing that I show up.
Sarah:Similarly, I found the biggest thing to show up is just accepting the that I should ask for help and that my asking for help was something that was expected. I remember I was struggling really hard my first year for so many different reasons, and we could probably just do a whole podcast episode on that. But the whole lesson was that I finally went into my adviser and broke down and told my adviser what I was struggling with. And the first thing that came out of my adviser's mouth, he was like, why didn't you come to me sooner? And I think that that was like a very jarring telling moment for me realizing that, like, I think that, you know, a lot of times guidance counselors in high school teachers are trying to instill in students that there's a lot of autonomy college, but they say things like, well, you have to do it all on your own.
Sarah:It's all up to you. No one's going to remind you to do these things. You're gonna just you're gonna be on your own when you get to that college. And so I thought I took that messaging. It did internally mean that I shouldn't need help.
Sarah:And so I think that was one of the things that, like Selena said, you know, I was used to really advocating for myself and figuring things out on my own. And then when that messaging came into that with with that already kind of the internal disposition, I I read the room wrong. And so I think that it really surprised me when I got to college that it was expected for me to ask for help and that it was welcome for me to ask for help. Once I did, I it really changed the trajectory of how I experienced my college education.
Marlene:Yeah, I think similar to what Sarah and Sawina said, when I started my undergrad experience, it was difficult navigating that because I was the only person from my high school to go there because I went to an out of state school, really small liberal arts school. And as a Latina, I felt really anxious and like really scared about like, oh, kind of who am I going to hang out with? Who am I gonna make friends with? And like, things like that. So like, that was such a huge adjustment, like coming from a very, from a predominantly Mexican American neighborhood in Chicago, and then going to a predominantly white institution, it was like very different.
Marlene:So that, and also being first gen and not being able to like talk with my parents like, oh, like, you know, I have to do this and I have to like schedule for my classes and I have to go to this office. Like, I couldn't really tell them about those things because they were like, okay, well just do it. And I was like, okay. It's more complicated than that, right? I'd like to talk to different people to get what I need or to the process of doing stuff like that.
Marlene:And I think also just the fact that you have to figure it out on your own and you have to like make it on your own and be independent. And, just having that like mindset of coming from a Latino family that were just like, woah, you have to figure it out. Like, because if you don't figure it out, then why are you there? You know? So that was an adjustment when I, when I went to college.
Siddhi:And I think it's so interesting how you mentioned like finding community, because that's kind of what my next question was going to be about. Like, how do you think finding community is something that people can do here at MSU and especially first gen students who come away from home and aren't really sure how to navigate it? So I guess just to put it properly, finding community can be tough for any student, especially when you're
Selena:the first in your family navigating it all. So how did you find your people here at MSU? I found my people. So when I first joined the Fly program, they informed me about the Welcome Week events that were happening that first semester. And so I went with just other FLI students that I had met.
Selena:And then we were able to find a lot of different organizations there. And that's kind of how I started like this domino effect of like, oh, like I'm interested in this. And so I would go to some of those meetings. I would meet people there that had different interests. So then I would learn about that and it kind of just spiraled off.
Selena:And that's how I feel like I met a lot of people throughout the years and I was able to find a lot of opportunities for me to be involved in. Yeah, I was really thankful for that, that I branched out because I feel like I was very introverted at first. And I still am a little bit, but I definitely put myself out there by just taking those first steps and going to those big events.
Siddhi:And can you tell me a bit about the FLI program? Yeah.
Selena:So the FLI, so it stands for first it's a long name. It's right here on my sticker because sometimes I forget. It's the First Generation Leadership and Innovation Vanderpoole Scholars Program. And what it is is we accept incoming first year students and we are privately funded by a donor and we just support first gen students. At MSU.
Selena:Amazing.
Sarah:Yeah. I think I think Selena talked about it great is you have to put yourself out there. Right? You have to say hi to people in real life. I feel like that's it's so easy to hide these days.
Sarah:For those listening, I graduated college a few minutes ago. And so, you know, cell phones weren't as big of a deal back then, and social media was still in its infancy. And so I think it's really easy just to get overwhelmed by seeing what other people's experiences are that we forget to have our own. And so, like, I just wanna encourage students just to be the weird one and say hi first and to walk into a meeting where you don't know anybody because, I mean, obviously, you've picked it for a reason. You identify with either the identity of the group or with the common interest, and it may not be the right thing for you.
Sarah:You may have to try a couple different things, but I think it's really important to, you know, try to find those places of community. Again, asking for help and support, finding people who've gone before you. And so maybe you're struggling to find, like, a student group or whatever, but you connect well with your adviser. And so maybe going up and saying, hey. I I you know, I'm trying to just kinda find my people here.
Sarah:Like, do you have any recommendations? And using that as a jumping off point for a conversation of support. I was lucky enough to also be in a scholarship cohort program when I started college. So if anybody listening is still in their college search process, looking for those types of communities automatically build that support system in. But if you're already at MSU, there's lots of groups that are here on campus that are not just for incoming freshmen.
Sarah:Shout out to the Trio Student Support Services who is accepting students year round and is a wonderful support system for students who are first generation, have disabilities, or income eligible. Transfer Student Success Services has a lot of great resources for a number of students who are many first gen, not all first gen. And there's so many more. I mean, really just finding those pockets of people where you may not share everything in common with them, but, you know, just having even just set one thread of identity in common could be the start of a really great place to find your community.
Marlene:Yeah. I remember I found my people when I was in was in it was like the dorm floor of where I lived, and we were all living in the same floor of our dorm hall. And they were living down the hall for me and they were listening to Spanish music. And I was like, well, they have to be They probably are Latinas too on this floor. So I was grateful to have met them and some of them were also first gen.
Marlene:We talked about that too. They're still my really good friends up until now. But it was as simple as that, just finding them on the same floor that we all lived on. And then we all went to similar student organizations and similar offices for support and things like that. And yeah, just finding those specific interest groups that you can be a part of can definitely help you find your people.
Marlene:Because MSU is such a huge campus, it's so hard to find friends and people that you wanna hang out with and that you can relate to. But finding those student organizations or offices or departments within your own major or within your own college can definitely help us finding your people.
Siddhi:Amazing. So MSU has so many programs and resources and especially during Welcome Week, it can get very overwhelming and students find it hard sometimes to know where to start. So what would you say are some of those resources or organizations that you think first gen students need to know about?
Sarah:All of them. I would love to say all of them, but any of them really, truly. I think a lot of times we think that there's just this one magic solution for everybody, but I think Marlene said it beautifully, which is like, this is a massive place. Right? And there are so many.
Sarah:And so just start, period. I think that going up and asking for help is great. Faculty, advisors, showing up to events, walking into an office that has the lights on. Seriously, this place is filled with people who are so supportive and so lovely and are so willing to help. So, I mean, we we distribute door tags that say I support first gen.
Sarah:I am first gen. Maybe that's just your little sign to go on in, even if you're like walking through a random building that you didn't even intend on entering because you're lost. Find your people that way. You just know that anybody here is going to help in any way they can. They may not have all the answers, but I guarantee you that you'll be glad you asked and likely you'll leave at least going in
Selena:the right direction. I would add the first gen workshops that are held by the first gen initiative. And those are monthly workshops where faculty, students and staff can kind of come together and mingle and talk about first gen struggles or things that they've experienced being first gen. And then real quick, another organization that was established this past spring, the Tri Alpha First Gen Honor Society, that is an honor society that specifically supports first gen students in being successful in higher education. So we'll host different events.
Selena:Some are social based, some are academic. It's sort of its main goal is to provide community for first gen students. So meeting each other and kind of being comfortable with other first gen students around. And then definitely career services has a lot of workshops as well, where they can help you, like resumes, cover letters. They have like the clothing option where you can go and rent out a suit if you need it for like an interview or whatever.
Selena:And I know financial aid also has workshops for the same thing, applying to scholarships and where to look and things like that. And then if you're interested in like your grad school, sometimes your major will have workshops specific to your interests and things like that. So definitely reaching out to your advisors, Sarah had mentioned, and kind of getting your foot in the door will open a lot more doors.
Marlene:A part like, so Sarah and I are, you know, we support our Fly Scholars, like Selena and the other scholars that we have, but we also just are part of supporting all first gen students with the First Gen Friday programming, like Selena said. First Gen will be coming up next week and the First Gen Solding ceremony that we have in the spring semester. So come to us, email us, come to BESE 209, that's where we're housed. We're part of a larger office called the Pathways Persistence Programs, and these are all cohort programs that have high first gen population students, like Trio of Student Support Services, STEM Scholars, RISE Scholars, Bailey Scholars, and other cohort programs are Lansing Sporting Scholars and Detroit Made Scholars. They're all great programs that students can be a part of.
Marlene:Even if you can't be a part of those programs, I know that they will 100% help out anyone that comes to their space if students are looking for some help or support.
Siddhi:Awesome. So moving on to the next question, I think this is something that I've also heard from my first gen friends. Being first gen can come with unique pressures, whether that be balancing academics to family expectations. So how do you think students can handle those challenges and still take care of themselves?
Selena:I think personally for me, what helps me stay on track when life gets very chaotic, especially in like the academic part of it, is kind of finding like hobbies and things that I enjoy doing. So like I like to paint or color or just hang out with friends And that really helps. But then overall, I kind of just learned to talk about my feelings with somebody that may have an idea of like what I can do or how to guide me to somebody that has an idea. Because I feel like my problems kind of dissolved a little bit easier once I learned to ask for help. And it kind of went back to what Sarah and Marlene were both saying about like having to accept that it's okay to ask for help.
Selena:And it's very encouraged to ask for help. And it's almost like normalized to ask for help. This
Sarah:is such a loaded question. I love it so much. I think it's interesting. I'm sitting here on the other side having completed both my undergraduate and masters and still can cling so tightly to my first gen identity because I work in higher ed. I've never really left college.
Sarah:And to this day, more than a decade later, I called my mom who is one of my biggest cheerleaders, but also still has zero idea about the college experience. And so I think that it's really important to recognize that, you know, finding people that you can talk about things too is so important and recognizing that not every person can be your support system for every single part of your life. And that was hard for me to accept because, you know, my family has always been incredible supporters of me growing up throughout my high school and even college careers. But when I started to go through college, started to enter a workforce that was different than what my family had entered, I realized that I was still kind of code switching. You heard that term back and forth, you know, talking and, you know, as opposed to an academic book, you know, vernacular to more of a, you know, watered down version of what was going on because my parents couldn't understand what I was saying to them all the time.
Sarah:And having to come to peace with that was a big thing. So finding people to talk to about that, whether it be other first gen students, whether it be someone who's a counselor, you know, CAPS has so many options here. They have groups for first gen support specifically because believe it or not, we struggle at this as first gen students. And so that's a really big thing. And I think too, a lot of times there's a lot of pressure for us to then, you know, perform a certain way for our families.
Sarah:Like, even though they're it's the pressure is both ways. Right? But I think that really when we think about it, you know, it's not just how do we handle the challenges and take care
Marlene:of us about how do
Sarah:we take care of ourselves so we can handle the challenges. And so, like, flipping the script on that question just a little bit so we can make sure that you're prioritizing your self care even when it feels hard. So that way you can be the best version of yourself and continue to advocate for yourself as a first gen student.
Marlene:Yes. And I think the only thing that I would add to that is that it's okay to say no. It's okay to say no to the fourth or fifth club that you want to be a part of. It's okay to say no to a study group that might that could be helpful for you, but also like if you just are better sitting by yourself or you just want to take the time to be by yourself, that's also okay. Say no to extra things that be more, that would can add more to your schedule or things like that.
Marlene:It's okay to just say no to friends, to say no to family, Hey, I can't tap right now. Maybe it'll suck during the weekend or something like that. I think it's allowing yourself to be okay with doing that and making time for yourself so that you're not always on and you're not always having to be busy with whether that's your academics, your job, extracurriculars with friends or family. It's okay to just take a step back and say no and then do something that actually benefits your mental health so that you are better the next day, the next few hours, so that you can, okay, study again, go to that study group, go to that extracurricular, whatever it is.
Siddhi:Very well said. So next week is First Gen Week. Can you tell me all about First Gen Week and also what are some of the events happening for First Gen Week?
Marlene:Yeah, so we have a ton of events happening during First Gen Week. On Monday, we have First Gen Rocks, which is from eleven to 01:00, and we'll be tabling at the Rock with members of the Tri Alpha First Gen Society just to give out swag and MSU Baker cookies. They'll be painted the rock as well. And we'll be handing out information about the week also. So during that time, so if you want to come get some MSU Baker's cookies and some swag, please come by from eleven to 01:00 on that Monday.
Marlene:And then on Tuesday, there's gonna be like the MSU vote time. So if you are wanting to learn more about your voting options, you can go to msuvote.msu.edu. And then College of Nursing is having a Donuts with the Dean. So you'll have an opportunity to meet with the Dean of that college and just kind of networking and meeting other administrators and staff from that college. Com Arts and Sciences is also having their own dorms with the dean.
Marlene:So same thing, you're gonna meet the deans and admins from that college, getting to know them. If you have any questions about the college or all those things, please go to those events. The Donuts with the Dean are a time for students to get to know the upper leadership in their colleges and sometimes the faculty also come to those events. So it's just nice to network with them and then be in a space where maybe it's less academic, and you can just get to know them as human beings. Tuesday, we also have Go for the Green Financial Resource Fair, Spartan Free Fest.
Marlene:They'll have like a tackle budget, loan saving, and credit challenges at four interactive stations, while also learning free resources on MSU's campus. Four students can receive 500 scholarships if they come to that event. So a lot of good food and incentives for Go for the Green Resource Fair on Tuesday nights from six to eight at the MSU Main Library Green Room. Wednesday, we have the Vander Plaou First Gen College Reception and award ceremony at the Union Ballroom. And this is just a time to celebrate our first gen community at MSU.
Marlene:We also have, we'll be presenting awards to first gen students and to a faculty staff member who has advocated on behalf of first gen students. So we have great food. We have a lot of good conversation and networking also at that event. So please come by for our signature event on Wednesday night from 04:30 to 06:30. Thursday, we have another college, Donuts with the Dean for the College of Education, at 10AM in Erickson Hall.
Marlene:James Madison is also having their own donors with the Dean at 11:30 in Case Hall. And then later on Thursday, we have a graduate school panel at the graduate school in Chittenden Hall. I'm not sure if I pronounced that correctly, but this is just a panel of graduate students talking about their own experience with grad school, applying, what it's like for them, and undergrad students can ask some questions about it as well. And they will have Auntie Anne pretzels, which is really good, by the way. And then finally, on Friday, we have the ASMSU First Gen Fall Fest, which will be at the Multicultural Center from 10AM to 03:00, which will have a lot of fall cozy vibes with seasonal activities, movies, delicious autumn treats, and opportunities to explore campus resources.
Marlene:And this is just more of a relaxed chill event. Students can come and go, and then just be in community with one another as well. So a lot of different events going on throughout the week. So if you wanna learn more about our events that week, you can visit firstgen.msu.edu. We will have a Sway that has all the events there where people can RSVP, look at the details and things like that.
Marlene:And another major thing that we have during the week is the Dairy Store ice cream flavor, which is called one Tough Cookie. So so we'll have a Sunday, I believe, that'll be featured, during the week for first gen students, for all students. But yeah, so it's a really good Sunday at the dairy store. So come by, and we might have some free scoops potentially at Tabernacle Rock.
Siddhi:That sounds like a really fun, week, but what I love more is how it's full of resources. And I'm really glad that you explained them because I feel like a lot of people might hear like donuts with a dean, be like, what? Can I meet the dean or not? So thank you so much for explaining that. To wrap it up, if you could give one piece of advice to a new first gen Spartan just starting out or someone that wants to reach out but is hesitant, what would it be?
Selena:So like I would be, I would give three. I don't think I can limit myself to just one. So I would say believe in yourself when nobody else does, because it's very easy to get discouraged and then take breaks when needed because you can't go out and change things as a first gen if you're not taking care of yourself first and give yourself a lot of grace because people will mess up. You will not pass that first exam. So you can't beat yourself up over a bad grade or if you're having a bad day or whatever the case may be.
Selena:Because again, if you're not going to prioritize yourself, then nobody else will. So you have to look out for yourself first. And you should be proud that you're taking the first steps to even come to a higher education institution to achieve your goals that maybe your previous generations weren't able to do so? I have two. One is, of course, we've said it before,
Sarah:but ask for help. Know that we expect it. We literally have developed offices on this campus literally to giving advice to students, and so use it. Please use it. We're here for you, and we wanna be able to support you.
Sarah:And then also to have fun. I think so often as a first gen student, we put so much pressure on ourselves because we're gonna be the first in our families to do this momentous thing that we forget that it is a fun process. And so give yourself permission to take breaks, like Selena said, from studying, to go explore this gorgeous campus, to do something silly, to have a dance party with your friends, to go get a one tub of cookie sundae from that dairy store during first gen week, whatever it is that sounds fun because you'll remember those moments more than you'll remember the endless study hours. You'll remember those too, but we wanna make sure that you're sprinkling it with good things throughout as well.
Marlene:Yeah. I would echo the same thing. You you're here at MSU to get your bachelor's degree, learn and experience all these different things. But even though your academics are a huge part of why you're here at MSU, the other part, which is those extracurricular activities, you're maybe studying abroad or hanging out with your friends and doing all these different things outside of your classes are also very important to your overall experience and journey at Michigan State. Because having those experiences are gonna help you also discern what you wanna do after you graduate and what kind of experience you wanna have the next summer and what kind of jobs you would wanna and things like that.
Marlene:So take advantage of the things that are being offered to you here at Michigan State University. And if you don't know what is being offered to you, come to us. Come ask me, and then we can have that conversation about the different things that are being offered at MSU that can help you with your overall journey.
Siddhi:And that wraps up episode three of the Spartan Transfer Hub. A huge thank you to the MSU First Gen team for joining me today and sharing their stories and advice. And to all of our First Gen Spartans listening, remember, you belong here, your journey is powerful, and you're paving the way for so many others. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to tune in on the Impact eighty nine FM website, Spotify, or Apple Podcast. Until next time, keep showing up, keep growing, and keep making MCU your home.
Siddhi:Go green. Go white. White. Thanks for tuning in to the Spartan Transfer Hub brought to you by Impact eighty nine FM and the Transfer Student Success Center. See you next time!