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Jhon
Welcome to supernatural breakthroughs, where we have real raw and unfiltered conversations about our Christ centered spiritual journeys. Discover mystical stories told by truth seekers on their many spiritual quests. We trust that these stories will help you on your own personal journey of discovery.
00:27
Jhon
So, gurus running pyramid schemes. So let's have a look at this. Now, of course, not all gurus are consciously doing this. And we're going to share some stories where we're going to unpack direct experiences we've had working with so called gurus, high level spiritual masters. And we're going to also address some questions that you would likely some listeners may have is, you know, are you guys disrespecting them, calling them, running pyramid schemes? You know, these are spiritual people, dedicated their life to spirituality. They're deep. People have incredible wisdoms and insights that help a lot of people. So, you know, are you just mocking them? No, not necessarily. That's what we're doing. We acknowledge that they have a lot of depth and beautiful things that they give and a lot of people benefit from that.
01:05
Jhon
Another objection people might have is, well, you know, who are you? Do you have the same power and capacity as them? What gives you the right to speak to them? Well, at the end of the day, I believe we have something far more powerful than these guys. At the same time, we have actually lived and trained under a lot of these gurus in different ways and a lot of experiences which will begin to start to unpack. Ankur, you were talking about a story where you were living in Ulbud, Bali, as a spiritual seeker and you started to work with a very powerful individual. What happened?
01:33
Hanka
Yes, that's right. So as we all are and have been truth Seeker. And that was back 2015, going from Australia for holidays in Bali. And I was really looking for the truth. And I was taking part of all these yoga classes and I got so bored because the background of mine is gymnastics. And I wanted to find the knowledge, I wanted to find the power and wisdom. And as Joao was mentioning before they ancient wisdom. And I found this guru. He actually found me on the street and then he invited me over and he initiated me as his student. He is one of the most powerful gurus in Bali, in Obot and in the yoga center. And he has over 1000 students coming every year, especially from Japan. A woman to be trained by him.
02:24
Jhon
Yeah, but he's not just a typical yoga teacher. He had mystical power, capacity. He told stories where he travels up in the spiritual world and all kinds of things. But at one point, you were sharing that you were training with him and he wanted to make you like his number one disciple. But before he could impart that technology, that esoteric, hidden spiritual knowledge, he required something from you.
02:46
Speaker 4
Yeah.
02:46
Hanka
So he knew what I am desiring for and I wanted to get involved more in a mystical side of the yoga world. And he had it. He was carrying this wisdom book with him and it's a spiritual book and the only way to get access to it after five, six weeks of teaching and learning under him. He said that one way to do it is to have the blood contract and you have to become part of my family in order to pass over to you the wisdom of my ancestors.
03:19
Jhon
So he wanted to literally kind of graft you into him through blood so the technology within this wisdom book could transfer across to you.
03:29
Hanka
That's right.
03:30
Jhon
Got it.
03:31
Hanka
Yeah. And I was already practicing things beforehand. I was following exactly what he was asking me to do. So he saw that I was ready, I was ripe to receive it and he thought he had me, that he caught me. But thankfully, from my remembrance experience with God from my childhood, it actually made me smile that I've never been crazy, that I've had these supernatural experiences and I knew about these witches and dark side of the world as well. Exactly. And I was so happy at the same time, which does not make sense when someone is asking, do the blood contract with you in the middle of the day in Ubud, in the center of the Bali, and I'm smiling, I'm giving back him a smile, but he felt really uncomfortable because he received it, that he's going to lose me.
04:19
Jhon
We do know this is how the demonic and these kingdoms work. They want an exchange. There's always a sacrifice. Whether you look at the more hardcore ritualistic satanic stuff where they're sacrificing, heaven forbid, children, different things like that, there's a cost, there's a blood, there's a transfer before power comes to you in that darker world with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It's completely pure and different. Completely different. It's life giving, but in this case, they're wanting something from you. This for me connects into a story where when I was also in Bali, Nurbuthe, and, you know, you and I were going on this journey as well, where there was a very powerful russian psychic who I was training under and he came along and he knew things about me. So he obviously had psychic abilities, capacities.
05:02
Jhon
He was someone that had eleven different channels that he channeled from the spiritual world to give him all kinds of powers and abilities. And he was, I would say, very high ranking, and I've worked with a lot of spiritual masters in different countries, and this guy was certainly up there with his skills and capacities, and he was able to speak into my life in a very unique way and knew very deep things about me, which brought me into a type of rapport with him, connection with him. And he thought I was an extremely high evolved soul, and only he had the ability to help me. So I started to train, and when I train with someone, I'm a great student. I really go after it fully and learn all I can. So we're practicing Shigong and we're doing all these different things.
05:41
Jhon
He wanted to open up a spiritual academy with me to help empathic people and so forth. Then what he was requiring was absolute, all of my energy and attention, everything. And it wasn't just him, it was the spiritual system behind him that was empowering him. And I'm going to get to that reveal in a moment. But it was an absolute requirement of everything. I couldn't, my energy couldn't be anywhere else. He wanted complete and total absolute dedication to give me more knowledge and so forth. Now, there's a long story to this. Perhaps another day, I'll unpack it in full. But one moment, what happened, and I say this by the grace of God, and what I mean by the grace of God is this. It was not my own intelligence that could have figured this out. It was too deep and sophisticated.
06:24
Jhon
But one day, the Holy Spirit pulled like a spiritual curtain, like a reveal, and it showed me the spiritual system behind this particular gentleman. And it was a very sophisticated spiritual system with. He had access to gold, he had access to angelic energies and frequencies. It was very beautiful, very sophisticated. But presiding over the top of it, governing, that was what I could only describe as an extremely powerful principality or ruler. A dark, demonic spirit that was not benevolent, did not have any good intention whatsoever, but extremely powerful. Now, the model and the psychology that this gentleman operated under was everything's energy, just like what Nikola Tesla said. If you want to understand the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration. Einstein said something similar. We know that to be relatively true, everything is energy to some degree.
07:14
Jhon
So in this particular gentleman's orientation of how he operated, the currency of reality was energy, accumulating energy through practices like qigong, cultivating qi energy to store it up for psychic protection. So that was the goal we had to protect ourselves psychically, to have creative capacity to live life. That was a second cultivation and another cultivation was to send it to your home planet spiritual system where you came from. I went into this mode of psychology, and I found myself becoming very much an energy snob.
07:46
Jhon
So what I mean by an energy snob is, you know, I no longer want to do acts of kindness and love for people because I was worried about them taking my energy, them having a lower vibration, et cetera, because the goal was to build energy, build energy, cultivate energy, because then you can do more powerful things, which made sense at the time. And so when this curtain was revealed, I saw that the energy was actually being siphoned to this demonic principality that was the whole function of it. And this particular man, as adept and powerful as a guru, as a spiritual master, that he seemed to be, was simply a pawn in a sophisticated pyramid scheme that was so far outside his awareness.
08:27
Jhon
And this thing shocked me because there was no way I had the intelligence or capacity to figure that out on my own. That's why I call it's grace. It's the kindness of God. It's the mercy of God that pulled that veil back for me, that showed me all this. And I was like, wow, wow. So that was my personal story of working under, and this was not a small thing. We trained together every day, you know, in months and months. He said I was at a similar level as him in terms of spiritual power and capacity. He was very excited to work with me, and I think he's a beautiful person. I really love and care for him and his wife. You know, in many ways, beautiful people. I think they have genuine good intention in some way, but they're completely deceived.
09:06
Jhon
They have no idea who are the beings behind these channels that are giving them this knowledge. They don't know. They don't know. And I believe it's only a sovereign act of God that can reveal something like that. Because the being that I saw that presided over his spiritual system was so far above our level of consciousness here, the intelligence, the sophistication, the power that it had. So it's only by the spirit of God in us, through Jesus, that gives us the capacity to be triumphant or to see through something that sophisticated, is what I would say. Joao, earlier, you're talking about some books about gurus and movies like, that was really interesting to me. I never heard about those. Like, could you tell us a bit about those?
09:45
Joao
Yeah. So there was this book I read about four years ago called the young man, the gurus and elder Pesios. And that's the title. But the story of the book goes like this. There's a young man and he's seeking all over. He has these experiences, spiritual experiences in his home. And then all of a sudden, he's called to go to India. And he wants to go to India to learn about the different gurus and the different ashrams and spend time with them, doing the practices and learning under them. But then something in him starts happening is that he feels uneasy about it. And the guru start perceiving that he sees through it. And then also he starts getting, like, attacks back, spiritual attacks. And then parallel to this, he's going back home because he's greek.
10:25
Joao
And in Greece, there's a mountain where monks, christian monks live. And then he's going parallel between India and this mountain where he's meeting this monk called Paesios. And this monk is completely devoted to Christ, and he's going back and forth, and then he's experiencing the powers of the gurus, and then he's going to the monk. And then the monk is putting his hand on him. And when he would put his hand on him, he would feel this surge of very pure holy light and deep healing. And he could sense in himself that what this monk was bringing to him was of a much higher love than what the gurus were doing. Because india, he started getting attacked. But when he went to this monk, all he got was an amazing blessing of life.
11:06
Joao
And so basically, the whole story is about him through a series of many years. It wasn't just a one moment decision. It was a long series of years of deciding that he's going to become a follower of Christ. And it was through the example of this monk of what he walked in that led him into a place to let go of these experiences with the gurus.
11:27
Jhon
I love that. And this is what we always talk about, contrast. You know, Mariana, you spent years and years under a guru muji, dedicated, learning many beautiful things. But then it's the contrast when you encounter Christ. For me, it was the same with this particular russian master. And all the powers were powerful things happening. Yes. I could tell you many stories of supernatural phenomena when I trained with this guy, leaving time, incredible explosions of knowledge and all kinds of things. Amazing stuff. People would think, wow, that's got to be incredible. No, but then when I walked into this humble little church in Bali, wood, and I couldn't believe that I'm coming back to a church, I had such a judgment about christians. I have to confess. And I could see all these unconscious christians in this church, and I can't believe I'm here.
12:10
Jhon
And then this guy comes up to me, Brendan, who's a friend of mine now, and he prays for me at the end. And I feel this power come through, this feeble, humble little man. Not a guru. He's just a regular guy that I could perceive at the time, yet he carried a power that was so far beyond these gurus and masters. And I've worked with a lot of them in this guy, in this church. Are you kidding me? My ego was offended. Oh, really? I was offended.
12:37
Joao
I was like, no. What?
12:39
Jhon
This doesn't make sense. Look at these people. Really. I'm just being honest at the time how my thinking was. Yeah, but energy doesn't lie to me. You know, I could not get over the fact that the power in this church, in that man, far exceeded the gurus and all the spiritual systems that I've just been spending ten years, you know, dancing within, working with powerful sorcerers, all kinds of mystics. My God, in this christian church. And it wasn't just a little bit stronger. It was, like, infinitely stronger, like, crazily stronger, like, so far beyond stronger that I can't even begin to articulate.
13:13
Joao
Yeah.
13:14
Jhon
And he. I don't think he even knew he was carrying it. Cause I talked to Brendan after this. I said, man, did you know what happened? He said, I didn't even feel anything. Are you kidding me? So we talk about the different frequencies and the capacities, and we're talking about, here, gurus running pyramid schemes. Why? Because in the case of my experience, they're taking energy. In the case. What you're saying, hunka, there's a pulling of life force from these, you know, japanese women that went to this particular person, and they get more magnetic. This is why I call it the pyramid scheme. Now, again, I'm not here to insult different group. I think they're beautiful people with beautiful intentions, a lot of them. But they're getting energy from disciples, from people. It makes them more magnetic.
13:49
Jhon
The spiritual systems behind them can also give them a dispensation of energy, which makes them more magnetic, more charismatic, more charming, more able to communicate to people. And then the pyramid scheme is there's also energy being siphoned from those individuals. You know, I got a story of a particular person just to protect their name, let's call them Stephanie. And they were in a situation with a particular guru, and that person was always getting sick. And I said, Stephanie, can you distance yourself from this guru and just spend some time away. Because I had a suspicion at the time that she was used as a type of scapegoat or sacrificial in that particular ashram, and that asanga that they were practicing. And when she didn't have time away from that atmosphere and guru, her health was better. And this went on for years. Years.
14:36
Jhon
I observed this as a friend. So, you know, it's interesting, because I don't know who makes that decision in that ecosystem, but some people are like scapegoats or sacrificial lamps. Others do benefit and get exalted in that particular environment. And hence I mentioned that there's an unconscious for a lot of cases, perhaps conscious in some, a type of energetic pyramid scheme taking place.
14:57
Hanka
I would like to add into that I had this shaman who made me a proposal one day, and he wanted to include me into the ayahuasca ceremonies that I will be running it with him together, because he was targeting very specifically women's retreats to run ayahuasca for them. And for that he needed to build up the trust. And he wanted me to accumulate the energy through the woman without saying that to me. Straightforward, also a money. So he saw lots of prosperity coming in, if I will join him. And I did not understand what's going on, what's kind of hosing stab. But I felt the threat behind it and I just knew it's very wrong. And he tried to really convince me that you're the person who can bring me in the money and. But what actually is behind it is way worse than.
15:43
Speaker 4
Yeah, because even behind all of all these energy situations all have this warfare in terms of spirituality. So these dark forces that are behind these beings, even sometimes without even there knowing consciously what is going on, there's a battlefield, there's a warfare that is going on. Even before we came to this earth as human beings, already this battle was going on. So it's really serious the way that these beings are fighting to receive this energy and these souls and all these as food for themselves, as powers, because as the word says, our fight is not against flesh and blood, but is against powers and principalities. And that's why Jesus is the ultimate power against all these evil foresters.
16:32
Jhon
I love it. Look, it's not a comfortable conversation to have to come to terms with this. It was not easy for me to see that veil being pulled back behind this man, that I cared and enjoyed working with him and being shocked and then having. There's been times where I've been face to face with what you're talking about, Mariana. Seeing when I took high doses of psilocybin magic mushrooms at one time in Bali, and I came face to face with a fallen angel. And it was just incredible how advanced this being was in terms of its consciousness. Every philosophical architecture I've ever studied, and I studied a lot because I was a coach. It was my job to understand consciousness and how people think, how they code reality and so forth. And so when I saw this being, it had every single philosophical system.
17:13
Jhon
It was incredible, the knowledge it had. It was so advanced, my goshen, very advanced. But what shocked me was the prolific hatred it had towards me. I've never seen a hatred like that. I didn't even know what I did. I like to think I'm a loving kind of person. Of course I had my humanity, but I was like, I've never seen such a hatred and such an evil towards me. It shocked me. I had to quit coaching for three months because it just messed me up, like, psychologically, I was like this. All my philosophies, all the systems and modalities that I've studied, and I've studied a lot, I love to study this system. This being, Hadamde hated me, and I could perceive that it was way more advanced in terms of its ranking than me, its capacity.
17:51
Jhon
But what I also could perceive is that it did not have access to life. It did not have access to life or light. So it was like hunting in the lower dimensions for food. It was very strange. And so at the time, it broke my bubble of my infatuation at the time with knowledge and wisdom and esoteric knowledge. That was my obsession and focus. I had to always get results for clients, and I love to grow as a human, so. And all of a sudden, here's a being that knows infinitely more than me, like, ridiculously more than me, but yet somehow is cut off from life itself, looking to succubate or feed on me, you know, and others. And so I believe that a lot of gurus have these beings behind them, empowering them and siphoning life force off.
18:36
Jhon
Now, that shocked me, and like I said, I had to quit coaching. But when I went to that church and that power came through, I immediately understood that power from the heavens is so strong, it's so pure, it's so ridiculously strong, that it could contain that being no problem at all. No problem at all. That gave me respect, and I got, like, tingles as I'm sharing this with you guys, it gave me respect for what's called basilian power, royal power from heaven. This is a power of power. This is something pure and strong, but it can bind that spirit. And that was very intense. So, you know, the topic here again is gurus running pyramid schemes. For me, having seen that spirit, having seen the spirit behind the mentor, the guru that I worked with, that's what I believe the pyramid scheme is.
19:23
Jhon
It's a type of siphoning of your consciousness and energy, your soul, your attention, in an unpure way that ultimately does not yield you the life giving results that a union with the Lord Jesus does. And each of us here had that contrast and experienced, and we know it's infinitely more clean, pure, and he's. The Bible describes him as the giver of life, the living water. So when you union with him, there's this unlimited energy, because that was the whole game with the guru that I work with. We're going to accumulate energy, we're going to harvest energy, we're going to build up energy. But it was getting siphoned off with Christ. I feel like the energy is just pure and is limitless, limitless. But he's giving it to you when you're in union with him and for.
20:05
Speaker 4
A purpose as well, right? To take out people from this suffering. Because this is, as you said, when we came into this, the realization of all this, what is going on? We got shocked about how evil this plan is, how much suffering it comes, how much death it will come, and all these rules and principles and I hierarchies and legal rights that these powers and principalities have in the spiritual realm. There's something that we are learning each day, more and more by revelation, how to deal with this.
20:34
Speaker 4
Because it is not easy to confront this reality and the situation of really receiving the power of Jesus through the Holy Spirit in us, to receive this responsibility and to assume that we have a role on all this, to give others this hope, this faith, because these beings come to kill, steal and destroy, and they are really doing it. So praise God for the opportunity to receive by his grace, this understanding, this wisdom, this power, so we can keep going on this humble way, trying to bring the truth and the salvation.
21:11
Jhon
And so when we partner with the Lord Jesus, we're having a guru. There's beyond all gurus, a master, a king. However you want to think of him and the power and the authority that he has is so far beyond any of these lower dimensions. His spirits, as scary as they are, where we've encountered them, sure. But the power in the Lord Jesus, the capacity is something completely revealed to me where I have such certainty in him. The love, the kindness, the beauty, the light, the radiance, the joyous, the life giving capacity is what he carries. And so for me, it's impossible now for me to ever go back and submit myself to any other gurus. That would be laughable, no disrespect, but it's just ludicrous. The union with the Lord Jesus is so far beyond.
21:56
Jhon
It's so beautiful, and it's a journey that we're continuing to walk together. So I thank each of you guys for tuning into this. Thank you, team for sharing your stories and experiences with us.
22:07
Speaker 4
Thank you.
22:08
Hanka
Thank you.
22:08
Joao
Thank you.
22:10
Jhon
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