Subscribe
Share
Share
Embed
I'm Brian Bashore, Professional walleye angler and owner of The Walleye Guys Guide service. I am here to reel you in with captivating stories, expert tips, and interviews with some of the biggest names in the fishing community. So, sit back, relax, and let the drag scream!
Brian Bashore (00:00)
Hey folks, thanks for tuning into another episode of real talk fishing with no limits today. We're going to go talk to Mr. Robert Woods, who is the product manager for seven reels created by St. Corey rods. Seven reels have been around a couple of years now, pretty new. ⁓ they're awesome. I've been using them for a few years. Rob's going to give us a little bit of the breakdown on what goes into it, the innovation with the rods and the reels. ⁓ and we're gonna talk a little bit about like what a bago fishing.
Cause he was happened to be there today. So, ⁓ one of my favorite places to fish as well. So, so stay tuned here about seven reals from the product manager, Robert woods right after this message from seven reels.
Brian Bashore (00:01)
Hey folks, thanks for tuning in to our episode of Real Talk Fishing with no limits today. We're going to talk about the newest Craven fishing and seven fishing reels by St. Croix. got the project or project product manager Robert Woods with us today from St. Croix and seven reels. Rob, you look like you're sitting at a lake house or something with them big lures on the back on the wall behind you there.
Robert Woods (00:27)
Yeah, actually we had a family function down back where I'm from here. So I'm at my parents' house, believe it or not. So yeah, we're actually, we are, we're sitting right on the shores of Lake Winnebago right now on the west, southwest corner. So.
Brian Bashore (00:41)
Ooh, that's that's one of is that black Hawk? What is that boat ramp down there? Black beard.
Robert Woods (00:48)
⁓
We're just self, we're just self of ⁓
Gosh, it's been five years since I've been there. Yeah, yeah, we're about four or five miles south. Probably four miles, yeah.
Brian Bashore (00:56)
You can't think of it neither. I use that one a lot.
Alrighty. One of my
favorite places is Lake Winnebago. And we're to touch on that here in just a little bit, since it's kind of your home water. For those listening, Robert, just go ahead and tell everybody a little bit about yourself, what your role is and what you do and a little back.
Robert Woods (01:21)
Yeah. So, ⁓ I'm a product manager. ⁓ I've been a product manager my entire professional career. I actually came from the automotive industry. I worked for a company, we did automotive electronic components. ⁓ and then that evolved into, ⁓ a short stint with NGK spark plugs actually, ⁓ before I got the call from St. Croix about this opportunity. ⁓ four, four years ago now, I believe it's been.
So, ⁓ my entire professional career has been pretty awesome, because I've talked about cars and fishing. So I can't complain there. It's kind of the dream when you're a little kid, like, I got a sweet truck to pull my boat to go fishing, and I've talked about all of it since then. So, it's pretty good. ⁓ With St. Croix, growing up in Wisconsin.
Brian Bashore (02:00)
All right.
Right.
Robert Woods (02:18)
And having a cabin up in Lando lakes, Wisconsin, you know, an hour and 20 minutes from the San Croix factory. Like I remember my dad getting his first premier musky rod. I was probably like 10 years old and that was a big deal. And then, you know, there I go and get into college. started buying my stuff, buy a brand new boat in college because I'm not financially responsible. And, and here we are.
Brian Bashore (02:35)
Right.
None of us are. Yep.
Robert Woods (02:45)
The end of the day it worked out okay. And now I'm getting to, to, to live out my dream and make a career of it. And to me, like when I see a rod and reel on the deck and I know it was a part of it and somebody might catch their PB, like that is just, that is so awesome. I mean, I got a little son right now and every fish he catches is a PB at this point for him.
Brian Bashore (03:10)
Alright.
Robert Woods (03:11)
You know, and he's using something that I had a hand in developing with the entire rest of the team. Like that is so cool. That is, that is just awesome.
Brian Bashore (03:19)
It is, St. Croix is definitely, you know, it's what 76 years now family owned. I mean, the Sluders have kind of, you know, moved on, but it's still, it's when you, whether you work there or you buy a router reel from them, you're, you're just part of that family now. And you said it was a big deal when your dad bought that first premier musky rod, you know, years ago, but you got 28 sets of hands that touch every rod, think. Or 32. It's a lot.
Robert Woods (03:24)
Yeah.
Yeah. 32.
Brian Bashore (03:48)
That's a lot of hands.
Robert Woods (03:49)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (03:49)
So those are individual people who live in Wisconsin with American made rides. So no tariff issues here, you know, coming, coming out of, you know, American folks making American rods, coming out to the American anglers and all over the world necessarily, but they are, they're awesome. And there's no doubt that it's a, you just, you get to St. Croix rod and even a seven real now you're joining the St. Croix family and it's a, it's a long tradition of quality and.
You know, and sensitivity with the rods back by warranty, like crazy. The reels are the same and that's, you know, we're, it's hard not to talk about St. Croix when you're talking about seven.
Robert Woods (04:28)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can talk about that journey too. mean, really for my first three interviews there, I didn't know really what they were doing. And I met with, with the product manager for St. Croix Rod and I'm like, you know, I know they're big. It seems like they should probably have, you know, more than one. Well, turns out I wasn't meeting the whole team because for, for first three interviews, I thought I was going for Rod stuff. I'm like, you know,
Then finally it came out and I'm like, well, that makes sense. And that's, that was the question that forest all Scott forest, our CEO brought to the team prior to my arrival was we've been doing this for at the time, you know, 72 years or whatever it was when, they came up with the idea that maybe we should get into reels and. The team unanimously and the shooter family said yes. And, Brian, you've been with St. Croix long enough. You remember when they did.
kind of private label reels. They were like, you know, it was just a sticker on a reel. This is entirely different. And that's the approach that they brought to me was, you know, we had reels, but we had no plan around it. We had no input into the design, the development, really the internal specs. We just bought some reels, slapped a sticker on it. This is so much more than that. And once we got into it, we realized how much more.
There was to it. mean, yeah. Yeah. So, ⁓ with, seven, you know, we had these conversations back and forth and we were just like, okay. ⁓ we, we need to be different. We know there's some really good reels out there, some really great companies, some longstanding, lots of history. So we can't call them St. Croix reels cause they're, you know,
Brian Bashore (06:00)
more than a slap of the sticker on it.
Robert Woods (06:25)
That would be disingenuous is the term that we like to use to call them the best reels on earth. When we know there's some really good real brands out there. And so we came up with seven, ⁓ working with our, marketing group at the time was we're going through all these iterations and different names and then seven hit and it's like, okay, we had seven decades of St. Croix rods, you know, there's seven seas, seven days in a week. want to fish every single one of them. You know, it.
Brian Bashore (06:28)
You
Robert Woods (06:54)
The Schluder family took over St. Croix in 1977. Like it all was just mining. Yeah, it just, it, it worked. And when you can tell that story, it's, cool because, know, ideally we're here for another 70 years with, with seven reels and that's, that's the tack we took. ⁓ Also works as a branding mark, you know, the VII and the different spelling that works really well on a small little reel component. So all those things came in and, and.
Brian Bashore (06:59)
Makes sense.
Robert Woods (07:24)
Ultimately, we're really happy with where we ended up, so.
Brian Bashore (07:29)
Yeah, it, ⁓ that was pretty good play on the words with the seven. And I love that when I talk about it, the seven days a week, the seven seas, the seven citrus, it's just. things just make sense and are meant to be there, meant that everything aligns and it works out real well. So it is, ⁓ what, ⁓ so we got, so seven's out there. This is a GX. We have the GS, the G F I believe just came out this year. Right. And then we have what the GSW or what's the saltwater one.
Robert Woods (07:44)
Yep.
Yeah,
the salt water. Yep. Yeah. ⁓
Brian Bashore (08:00)
As well
as a couple Baycast models, correct?
Robert Woods (08:05)
Yep. Yep. We've got two bait cast models. ⁓ then we have our, our combo reels, and rods as well. So this past year we made a push, you know, St. Croix is really, really good at making a rod for everything, everything, any tactic you want to use. Like we've got it. And with we, we call it GXR bass. What we did is we just simplified for the angler, the bass angler, like, okay, we looked at like the top.
four or five techniques that are being used nationwide. And we gave them a length power and action and the perfect reel. And we labeled it as such. This is your all purpose rod. If you want to pick up, you know, a Senko, do it with this. If you want to put on an edrig, do it with this. And then we have, you know, like a finesse for the drop shot type people, you know, the, guys paying them in all that sort of thing. But ⁓
We made it really simple, kept it to, think we have five skews in that lineup and it is taken off. Like there's no more questions on what should I pair? Like we gave them the best all around. gave them a 3000 size spinning reel and a seven, three to one gear ratio Baycast model. And we made them two piece too. Like there's kayak anglers out there. There's the urban, urban angler, fishing ponds, you know, throwing in a backpack, riding his bike there. So folding handles, that sort of thing.
Brian Bashore (09:20)
Mm-hmm.
Robert Woods (09:28)
We're really trying to, with that series, make it simpler for that younger angler, that up and coming angler, or even a parent who wants their kid to have nice equipment. mean, your day on the water is a lot better when you're fishing with quality equipment that you can trust. That's what we did there. And I kind of went GXR right away because you might see a line extension coming up here in July that's going to get launched that kind of...
plays in our realm a little bit more, Brian. you know, yeah, yeah. So there's some cool things coming out there between St. Croix and seven, another collaboration. So.
Brian Bashore (09:56)
We got, we have iCash coming up. So.
Well, it makes sense because you got, mean, you've always had some combos and ice fishing combos and pan fish combos, but like you said, it was a hodgepodge of real sometimes or dial was sometimes or slap sticker on whatever. And, know, there, and people think of combo, they usually just think of discounted or just buying something cheaper for the first time or a beginner. Let me just go get this set up. Well, then Croy rods always have not just the action length and listed on it, but the technique Pacific.
Robert Woods (10:18)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Bashore (10:35)
You know, this is a drop shot rod. This is a power swim jig rod, whatever. This is a cranking rod. is, know, a Lindy rig, whatever the case is that they're all listed. So it makes it easier for the guy that, know, our gal is kind of, well, I don't know if this is what it is, a snap jig rod. The rod tells you this is a technique you want. Here you go. Not to you can't use it for other things. So to pair that up with the right, basically the real that goes with it. That doesn't mean it's the cheap.
beginner kit thing. It's a great for a beginner kit. Cause like I said, if you have good equipment, you're going to have, you're just going to enjoy everything on the water better. You're not buying the old Zipco or whatever it is and making a cast with something that doesn't bounce well, you know, and then you're going to have backlashes and just, just a mess. Cause you're throwing an eighth ounce thing on something that should be running a one ounce spinner bait on it or whatever the case is. And it doesn't, it doesn't work. So you have it all set up. So if you are new or getting into it, you know, it obviously, you know, pays to invest a little bit.
Robert Woods (11:23)
Right, exactly.
Brian Bashore (11:32)
And good equipment. get it if you're just trying something out, you know, but there's programs out there. There's guide programs. You can borrow rod. You can borrow reels, you know, recall your friends or buddies and check them out. And the nice thing about the seven, like I there's a lot of real companies out there. There's some, but Shimano and Diablo, these guys have been around forever, but nothing's getting cheaper in today's age, but the seven reels are really directly pretty.
You cost comparison and I would say even a little underpriced compared to some of those models. would see them as, know, fairly affordable. You know, is that because they're new or that's just what we got into them.
Robert Woods (12:07)
Yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of what we got into them. So we took the tack right out of the gate that if it, if it. We have what we call an upper hand promise to our anglers and that applies not only to the rods, but also to the reel. So if it doesn't make the angler better on the water, it's not going into one of our products. We took that tack with reels as well. You know, our.
Our darling in the casting lineup. It was our very first, you know, available to buy real from seven was our GFB castor. And it is a graphite frame, graphite side plates, four ball bearings, carbon handle, three gear ratios. Not really a lot of frills to this reel, but it's, it's easy to tune. It casts a mile. It won't blow up on the angler, you know, young.
old doesn't matter. Everybody can use this reel out of the box and people gawk at the fact that there's four bearings. Well, to make a good casting reel, you really need four bearings. Anything after that is fluff and something to fail. know, is there nuances to it? Yeah. GSC is a nine plus one. That's
Probably the angler that's a little more in tune with what their reels doing and need some more of that feedback. But for the guy who's looking to spend 120 bucks on a cast mirror that he kind of do it all with, that fit the bill. Part of it too was bearings. Like I went back to my automotive experience and I'm like, listen, I drive GMs. I know about wheel bearings. Let's put some good ones in our reels right away. You know, like, and that's we did.
Brian Bashore (13:51)
a boat on a trailer I know all about bearings so yeah.
Robert Woods (13:55)
We put Japanese spool bearings in that thing, which made it a sports car, you know, just those little, little upgrades. And we've carried that across all of our CastingReal options. Now it's the Japanese spool bearings and just a high quality bearing everywhere one is needed. You know, it's, it's, it's the little things, but not overdoing it. And it's not a race to the top with bearings. It's, it should be a race quality wise with bearings.
Brian Bashore (14:22)
Yeah, the GX is nine, one, I believe. And then we go down to like six and four on the next two series, something like that, or six, five, four, five plus one, four plus one, whatever the case is. But I mean, I like to just, you know, when I'm digging sometimes let it, let it free like that. But I use the other ones in different situations. And I, I mean, can barely tell the difference in it. You know.
Robert Woods (14:27)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And
when you, when we talk about these extra ones, Brian, you know, the GX is the perfect example of putting it where it matters. You get two extra bearings underneath your carbon drag stack in that spinning reel. So underneath that carbon drag stack that sits in the little pocket is another machine pocket that too little, you know, ball bearings sit in that that oscillations shaft rides on. anytime.
You know, you're up in Green Bay and you're fighting big fish and you get a little bit of that cyber sideways pressure on the spool up and down on the oscillation shaft. You're going to have consistent drag performance because it's not rubbing on anything metal on metal. You're you've got bearings guiding that along. And that's one of the little nuances. A guy like yourself, you'll pick up on that slight difference. You know, a guy who does a lot of rod and hand type fishing.
Brian Bashore (15:36)
Mm-hmm.
Robert Woods (15:39)
You're going to pick up on that difference where maybe somebody who's not on the water more than, you know, one day a week or something, isn't going to necessarily feel that, but it's a benefit, especially in today's day and age with the guys out, you know, Minnesota, you hear it constantly. I'm talking about the water is getting clear. We're having to make further casts. know, bros doll is always looking for an advantage that way. So ultra light lines, you need that repeat performance out of your drag.
And that's what those extra two bearings in a GX gets you. I could talk about those being the two most important bearings in that reel when you talk about finite details.
Brian Bashore (16:11)
That's.
I wouldn't argue it because I would say the drag is probably my favorite aspect of these reels. mean, every reel comes with a drag and some are fine and some suck, you know, some are decent, but I love the fact that I can hear it, which is probably kind of stupid minimal, but I don't know. I like it. And I mean, you hear it when I set the hook and I don't keep it super tight, but it does. just, it works and it's in with the, you know, the seven logo basically being on the
Robert Woods (16:32)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (16:50)
On the top and being able to assist us. It's easy to get ahold of. You're not reaching down in there to grab it. I mean, you can, it's right on there. You can just hit it with your finger and spin it. So it's an easy adjustment. But yeah, the drag has just been phenomenal on these reels and I love it. And literally I was out yesterday and pray 20 walleyes pitching jigs and every hook set, you know, initial, but it's not my buddy was like, you got your drag loose. I'm like, no, it's, it's good. He goes, I have have just a
Robert Woods (16:51)
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Hey.
Brian Bashore (17:18)
solid hook set, you know, like it's a decent, decent fit, you know, but I'm like, nothing. But then all of a know, wham, it's a sheep head and it's going nuts, you know, or it was a big pike. And like you said, that side to side, I'm like, just, I don't, I don't have to mess with it. But if I do, it's, it's just, it's easy. And you say with your ultra light line. So I've been eating a lot of CRP X8, which is a super, super thin diamond line. And the problem you have with that, which if I could show it on here.
Robert Woods (17:20)
Good luck.
Mm-hmm.
Brian Bashore (17:47)
Is this is all one piece solid. So a lot of those thin diameter lines will get stuck. So I'll go to spin and it gets stuck down in there. And I'm like, why is it, you you got some resistance and you just got to kind of pop it out. But on these, just, it just slides right in there. And it's not an issue. cause it's super it's 18 pounds, but it's like a two to three pound diameter, you know, so it's next to nothing, but I don't have that problem with these. just slides right into that. Whatever you call it, the line seat and then.
Robert Woods (18:01)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (18:16)
Rock and roll.
Robert Woods (18:17)
Yep. And I can, I can assure you during our test phase, it would have went in there, you know, and that's why we test and vet all these reels because we ran into that issue, um, where it was getting behind that roller bearing. And that's what time on the water and making sure you're doing your diligence and testing. built a 16 test test lab, Brighton Park falls is right outside the engineering office, right next to our dynamic analyzer for the rods. You know, it's.
It's doing our diligence and making sure, you know, if it's not ready, we're not putting it to market and taking feedback from anglers that are using them and testing them. And, know, the time on the water ourselves too, can tell you a lot. mean, I was testing a, a casting reel that's going to be coming out here yesterday. had a good little weather window. So we went out for some smallies yesterday. I hooked into a tiger musky and like, yeah, Drake's working pretty good on this one. You know, like this, those sort of things, you you talk about a big.
Brian Bashore (19:15)
Yep.
Robert Woods (19:18)
big sheet pad like you get a big one of those guys and it's gonna test your gear you know so yeah
Brian Bashore (19:22)
Yeah. And you're on bago. So you got plenty of them around. There's
no doubt about it. And they're all big this year too, for some reason, like I think they're whatever, maybe they're spotting now, but all the ones that have been catching are like five plus pounds. I'm like, man, get, get, go away. But like, what it's fun. Still fish, you know, it's a little disappointing when you see it, but it doesn't take long. We're all I fished in going, I'm pretty sure that's cheap. But they're, they're fun to catch. They're aggressive in there and they're, they hit hard. don't think.
Robert Woods (19:30)
I'm
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brian Bashore (19:51)
Most people probably realize how much goes in on the backend of any St. Croix or seven development. Like you said, I know I've done on the prototype and tested the rods out and, had, you know, a couple of these reels in hands. A year, two years before they're even released, you know, that you guys take on, I mean, it's 20, 25, I would imagine you're working on your 20, 27 or 20, 28 rod series, you know, right now. Yeah. And it's cause.
Robert Woods (20:09)
Mm-hmm.
Exactly. Yep. Yep. We are in
the heart of development.
Brian Bashore (20:21)
Yeah, it's, mean, they're going to, then you're going to get them pretty developed, you know, 60 % away. They're going to go out to anglers. We're going to test them. We're going to run them for months and give feedback on every single rod and every single, you know, unique specific one and, send those in. Then you make adjustments. Then they sent out some more. And I mean, it's just, and the fact that all of you that work there are, these are American mates. You guys are all out. I don't, there's probably nobody that works at the same factory that doesn't fish. can't imagine. I mean, maybe there's.
Robert Woods (20:48)
Not really.
Brian Bashore (20:50)
Very, very,
very few, but you all are out using them yourselves. And I've talked to, know, ride teach a lot who was the engineering with a lot of these things. And every time I say anything, he's like, what, what was that again? You know, and he's like, a note down, like, that rod works really good. And I'm like, power spin, you know, mojo rods, a great rip and wrap rod. You know, he's like, huh, okay. Let me take some of these bass lines, turn them into some of the wall. I things and.
You know, and modify things, take the legend tournament and turn this into the physics thing, because it just makes sense. Let's modify a grip and have a, you know, an awesome, you know, peeing and Ford facing rod. So there's just so much that goes into it versus there's a lot of custom rod companies and this and that, but that's just buying blanks that are already, you know, overseas. And then they're just kind of spooling some stuff up on them. And not that they're bad by all means, they're all, you know, to each their own, but. And I had Dan on here and we talked about rods and, know, and the.
Robert Woods (21:24)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Brian Bashore (21:44)
Modular form and how they're created and why they are what they are. I mean, I assume. And what I've seen with the seven reels is that same type of, you know, engineering and testing is going into it. I've seen some of the test lab where you have these things sitting there drags pulling on them and spinning for days, suppose, nonstop to see how many, you know, before they burn out or if they ever do.
Robert Woods (22:03)
Yep.
Yup. Yup. We've got, you know, drag variance too, where you peel off a hundred yards of line at a moderate clip, I'll call it. And you can't have more than like two pounds of drag variance because the guy who's running six pound floral and is depending on it, you know, you can't have a spike. You can't have a flat spot. You can't have it binding. So all those tests to perform salt spray, UV heat chambers, got a freezer back there.
Bail spring tests. I mean you name it, you know casting reels thumb bar. We call it the thumper. It's a torture test It's it's a four pound weight that's just dead weight and you're activating that thumb bar under load and then it has to reactivate lift it back up and it's got to do it for 200,000 cycles like It takes a little bit we call it thumper because every time it hits the ground it's just don't don't yep, so
Brian Bashore (22:51)
Yeah.
Peace.
Yeah,
200,000. So that's a lot. mean, most people aren't ever going to use their, you know, their stuff that, that long or that many times, but that's the idea. Well, it's over, over deliver. then therefore we don't have any warranty issues, but you do have a great warranty on these. If heaven forbid something happens, you step on it. mean, I'm a guide. So my things get using abused a little bit from clients that just don't know and turn things backwards or bin bells when they are what have you. Um, but I've had a couple that I've sent in and, and no.
Robert Woods (23:27)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Bashore (23:32)
No questions asked. was like, here you go. Here's, here's a new one. We, get it. These things, these things happen, but I haven't had one that just flat out really fail. I mean, it's like a rod. mean, yeah, you're going to break it when you step on it or shut it in the door, you know, the lid or whatever on your rock locker. Those, those things all happen. So.
Robert Woods (23:36)
Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
Brian Bashore (23:53)
you don't, who do you got? there, mean, if you've been paying attention to the bass world folks, you've seen it seven's been and St. Croix has been sponsoring and been the title sponsors of a lot of the bass opens. ⁓ think even maybe even elite series one, but it will brought to you by seven or whatever. ⁓ you got, there's, mean, you're, you're, you're making waves. There's a lot of guys using on the pro level. Now, who do you got out there in the bass world? I know you got Wiggins.
Robert Woods (24:18)
Yup. Joey Nania, ⁓ he's, he's actually with a different rod company, but we weren't going to limit, you know, who, who was using it. We, we would never Brian, we had never forced you to throw seven. You know, we want to earn the place on somebody's boat. So we leave that open for our pro staff, like, you know, and we're also accepting them other other people. mean, I guess on the bass side, know, Joey, Jesse Wiggins, ⁓
Brian Bashore (24:19)
Yeah
John Cruz Steve Brown
Robert Woods (24:49)
Steven Browning, Joey, Joey
Nanya, ⁓ John Cruz this year, know, that's elite series angler. That, was a big, big deal for us. ⁓ John's a great guy, very well respected in the industry, ⁓ you know, a business owner himself. So the feedback that he's able to, yup. The, feedback he's able to provide it's great, you know, and not, he's not a St. Croix angler too. So.
Brian Bashore (25:02)
There he is.
Yep, missile bait.
Robert Woods (25:18)
That helps because we know these aren't going just on St. Croix Rod. So we got to make sure, believe it or not, there's no standard for a real foot size. Like you got to make sure that it's fitting a Seaguy real seat and a Fuji real seat and everybody else's real seat. Like little stuff like that you don't think about, you know, it's, it's, it's different. It's kind of like the wild, wild west on the real side. There's, there's no standard. There's no, you could call it what you want. It's just, it's.
Brian Bashore (25:27)
All right.
Alright.
I
even think about that. I just thought they were all standard but I haven't had nothing but St. Croix's in my boat for over 10 years so I wouldn't know any difference at this point.
Robert Woods (25:48)
It's
Yeah. Yeah. No, there's, there's no standard to any of that. It's, it's, let's just say we got an arsenal of things that get tried out and you know, some guys throwing an Abu, some guys throwing a Daiwa, somebody guys throwing ⁓ a Shimano, a Luz. Got to make sure all that stuff fits the real seats, right? You don't have any play or slop. The same goes with our reels. Like it's got to fit in a cashing rod. Got to fit in a TFO. You know, and seven's got guys that are running those. So.
He said, we want to earn the place in somebody's boat. And you talk about a guy like John, who's making a living fishing, you know, much like yourself, like. Stuff's got to perform, you know? So he had him in his hands for a while before we were able to, to, to get him on board, but he has to have that faith. So.
Brian Bashore (26:43)
Yep. Yeah. People have the, the pro staffs thing kind of not completely understood and think it's just, Hey, somebody's going to throw something at me and I'll take it. But myself, John, and I know Tony Roche, Joe Nelson, Roach, all bunch of us walleye guys have been using them for a while. A while. Yeah. We using it on the bad side. think we, Trey McKinney is on the rods. We get Trey switched over to the reels yet. Not yet. So I bet he's got a couple that he's playing with. All right.
Robert Woods (27:01)
Mm-hmm.
⁓ not yet. I know he's, I know he's got a couple yet. Yeah.
So, yeah.
Brian Bashore (27:12)
But that's it.
got to use these. I mean, most like anything, I usually use it for at least a year, if not two of, you know, testing it to make sure it's, it's the right fit and that you believe in the product, which easy, you know, hand down Dan Johnson brought one of the bait casters and a spinning reel quite a few years ago to the shields fishing universities. Like, Brad, we got to check this out. So we went fishing and I'm like, let me see it. And I was like, ⁓ yep. I get it. I see what you're talking about. You know, this thing is, is, is pretty slick. So.
Robert Woods (27:41)
Yeah. And I mean, there's Dan is Dan is sometimes he's in your ear a lot, but he just wants things to be right. You know, Dan is Dan is a great guy. Very happy to have the opportunity to work with them. Fishy dude. Like he just fishes, you know, like he gets it. So when, when he comes to me with feedback, I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, I can understand it. You know, Dan, he's super animated jazzed up all the time, like high energy.
Brian Bashore (27:52)
Yeah, yes.
Very.
yeah.
Robert Woods (28:11)
It's like, okay, but Dan bring it back in here. Let's, let's, let's talk about this. You know, let's get it right. It's, uh, he's, he's a character. So.
Brian Bashore (28:21)
He's going to
put them to the test. mean, he's, he's fishing all sorts of different techniques, mainly, you know, bass fishing, but he gets out there and he does some walleye fishing and whatever is biting, crappie, ⁓ as well. But yeah, he knows his stuff and he knows how to, to match that rod in real and what size should be on. he's probably great for helping with those, those combo developments. What's on the horizon. We talked about a little bit. ICAST is coming up and he teasers and any, we looking for anything new coming out.
Robert Woods (28:40)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, we've been silent since year one on the saltwater front. ⁓ so I'd look for a saltwater reel to be coming from seven this year. ⁓ and then, ⁓ we have an upgrade coming on the casting reel. ⁓ that is, that is an exciting piece. ⁓ I've had a lot of fun with that, that development. It, it is a sports car. It's a reasonably priced sports car. ⁓ that should really.
perk some, perk some, some ears up on the, on the bass side. spinning, we've got some, we've got some combos. Like I mentioned, we got some, some line extensions coming as you call it to, to GXR. So that's going to be exciting. Um, a little more relevant to our world. If you're catching what I'm, what I'm saying here, um, that one I'm excited about that one.
That, that was a project a little bit closer to home. mean, I'm bass fishing a lot now, just simply, I have to, I have to understand it. So for me to, to tap into a walleye project, I'm like, all right. Yeah. Let's, let's do this. I'm all for it. So that, that's a pretty exciting one. Um, and then, like we mentioned, we're on a 24 to 30 ish month development cycle of stuff. So we've got 27 product.
Brian Bashore (30:00)
All right.
Robert Woods (30:14)
you know, already in development and it's going to be a, it's going be a busy year and a half yet for me. We can put it that way. There's a, there's a lot going on, a lot going on. No, no. So this year I would say it's a little bit lighter, but two years from now or year and a half from now, I guess that that is, that is going to be a big one. That is going to be a busy one.
Brian Bashore (30:24)
It doesn't slow down.
Good, good. We all like new stuff, even though when it's not broke, don't don't fix it, but it's it's innovation and that's the industry, right? You got to keep bringing up something new to the market and just, I mean, if you're going to make it better, you're to make it better.
Robert Woods (30:52)
Yeah.
Yeah. And that seven's been a great avenue for us to, mean, everything seven does is new for us right now. So we're learning, we're developing, we're getting little subtle nuances, the things that we like, that we don't like, you know, materials playing around with that and having, having young, eager engineers back in the lab. Like these guys are whipping up some crazy stuff all the time, rod and reels. Like
They're throwing around acronyms for things. I don't know what they're talking about. I'm not an engineer, but like, is it going to work? Does it make the angler better? Let's try it. You know? ⁓ so really, that's, that's cool thing about seven is all the exterior designs, the internal specifications, that's all done in park falls. We do it all. You know, we, we, if it's not our own industrial designer in-house.
We have a, industrial designer that's big in the fishing space that, that does some of these designs, the internal specifications. That's all the internal team. So we spec out what we want the gear material to be the quality of bearing, you know, the, country of origin on the bearings. Every detail is, thought out, put into a spreadsheet. Look at a Baycast that's got 150 pieces to it. Like I have to spec out what the.
what the screws that hold the side cover are, you know, it's, time consuming, but it's those details that matter. And then obviously we have manufacturing partners overseas that take that and, make it reality. And that's the other part of my job is I go over there and I'm a part of that process. I mean, I was literally just in China and Korea at our manufacturing partners, making sure that these, these are
Brian Bashore (32:21)
All right.
Robert Woods (32:45)
progressing the future projects are progressing the way they need to, you know, and it's important that you have these sort of trips and communications because you can do so much more in an eight hour face to face meeting than you can over a thousand emails. You know, it's, it's, but having that and having partners that you can trust that, you know, you can verify that that's huge. That, all plays to, you know, these
Brian Bashore (33:01)
yeah.
Robert Woods (33:15)
these products are something that we can put our name on. So.
Brian Bashore (33:22)
And so if people want to, mean, you kind of, you can see some of these testing and things. got customer appreciation day coming up in like a month. What is it? Late June.
Robert Woods (33:31)
Yeah, 21st. June 21st.
Brian Bashore (33:33)
21st, that's at park
falls, Wisconsin. So if you've never been there, folks go to the St. Corey factory, ⁓ or the factory store basically, but you have all sorts of displays set up that's showing you kind of how some of the, you know, the rods are made somewhat. imagine you have some, think last, I was there last year for just a little bit and you had some of the drag testing going on with some of the reels. and then everybody's there. So you and the engineers and they can answer any question. You know,
Robert Woods (33:52)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Bashore (33:59)
Are you going to get the inside scoop on that stuff? You're going to get some hell of lacious deals usually as well. So. Where? Go ahead.
Robert Woods (34:04)
Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It's, it's
awesome. It's, it's like a family reunion. Like you talked about it, you know, I've been a part of quite a few of these now and it's like, I remember you. Yeah. We talked last year, you know, now I've, I've got friendships out of the deal. Like there's just, it's the angling community as a whole. Like there's a lot of really good people that love the fish, you know?
Brian Bashore (34:29)
others.
Robert Woods (34:31)
Get the opportunity to meet all these people and come together in one spot and learn about the process. Get yourself a deal on a rod and a reel. Like what could be better? Plus it's Northern Wisconsin. It's beautiful. I mean, there's plenty to do for the rest of the weekend too. So.
Brian Bashore (34:45)
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, I, ⁓ had a flood in my basement and I was up there for the green Bay tournament. So I left and I'm like, I said I was coming. So I drove up that night. It was there in the morning for like an hour. I'm like, gotta get home because nobody's home. And except the teenage boy, he doesn't be like, I don't, I don't really do all this water. I'm like, yeah, I'm on my way. which worked out because we were able to stop in Minnesota and Wisconsin and pick up fans and stuff that everything in two falls was already sold out. ⁓ who had several days of rain. So it sucks. So I got it. I had to cut it short, but I imagine.
Robert Woods (34:58)
You
Yeah
Brian Bashore (35:17)
You know, there's seminars, Roach is probably on the schedule again. Joel Nelson. I mean, there's just a handful. Roach all usually there. ⁓
Robert Woods (35:22)
Yeah. ⁓
I think this year we've got a muskie panel, which will be, think, four anglers. I believe Steve Hiding's on there. So that's the, that's the last one. Joel Nelson, I believe is doing a walleye seminar. Rose Dull I know for sure is coming out. I think he's doing a panfish seminar. ⁓ we're going to have Maggie Joel there. ⁓ she's going to be running actually the Bassmaster booth.
Brian Bashore (35:37)
Ban fish ⁓
Okay.
Robert Woods (35:50)
so she's part of that initiative, trying to get more female anglers involved. we partnered with bass. She's going to be up there. ⁓ you know, talking to, talking to the female anglers, ⁓ got all our engineering tents and everything outside. We really up the game for, for kids activities this year. So, like I said, I got a little son and I said, we need more stuff for the kids.
So we had a holiday open house and we actually did lure painting, which worked out really good. So this year we're expanding on that for CAD. we'll have lure painting for the kids. They can paint up their own blank. You know, we take care of seal coating it and send you out the door with the hardware and everything. ⁓ little fish, little casting pond and everything for them. We've got a casting pond for fly anglers. There's so much. Johnsonville sponsors it. have, you know, brats and everything for everybody. ⁓
Trying to think of what else.
Brian Bashore (36:45)
We keep those kids busy so dad can go play with the rods and reels a more, right?
Robert Woods (36:49)
Yeah, that was kind
of my logic because like, you know, my wife and son came through and he was all over me. I'm like, dude, I'm working. I'm working right now. We need some for you to do. It's ⁓ it's good. It's a good family event. Like I said, it's just nice to get everybody together and and, you know, see a little bit of the operation and some of what goes into, you know, the testing of the reels and also the rods. mean, people don't realize how handmade they are.
Brian Bashore (36:56)
Yeah.
Robert Woods (37:17)
And this gives you a glimpse of that.
Brian Bashore (37:18)
Now,
yes, yes they are. Where can people find the seven rules for looking to buy them?
Robert Woods (37:27)
Yeah.
So right through seven reels.com ⁓ or come up to our factory store in park falls, or one of our 400 independent retailers across the country. You know, we're in a lot of, a lot of small shops. ⁓ if you're, if you're looking to get one in your hand and play with it, I'd recommend that. ⁓ I'd also recommend, you know, tackle warehouse has them. Omnia has them, ⁓ our friends of the North sale in Canada.
They're our biggest retail partner up in Canada. ⁓ Shields, Shields is carrying them. Shields has been a really big supporter. They've got a great team, great fishing team over there, know, providing feedback too. So Shields definitely check them out. ⁓ 7reels.com. That'll give you all the basics. If you want to look and explore some of our models, start there. We've got a really, really nice website, well laid out.
Brian Bashore (38:09)
I'm out of here.
Robert Woods (38:26)
You know, and part of what we do, you know, this from St. Croix is Angler education. So we've got QR codes linking guys to how to tune their bait caster. Cause we've got the varying levels, you know, just magnets, magnets and centrifugal. It's all, it's all right there. So guys can walk through, learn a little bit more about the reel. ⁓ yeah.
Brian Bashore (38:50)
Awesome. Awesome. You, ⁓ touched on it earlier when we started your, you're at the old family cabinery on, on bago. And you had a, from what I saw was pretty much a beautiful day yesterday to be out testing some reels and rods. had a little head to head was on TV and Joe Okada crushed them. looked like a pretty good bug hatch, but for a bass guy like yourself, you're good to go. There's, there's bass all over that place, but you're also in a pretty healthy wildlife fishery.
Robert Woods (39:05)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, you know, I, grew up while I and musky fishing, not much of a, a troller. I do it. So a lot of rod in hand, but you look at Winnebago, I mean, spoiled. You can catch fish any way you want to catch. If you want to catch fish in a river, you can do it on Winnebago system. You want to catch fish. You can win a tournament slip over and over a wreath, you know, with, with 300 other boats in, in
Brian Bashore (39:41)
Re-fill.
Robert Woods (39:46)
Otter Street, like it's crazy. However you want to do it, you can do it. And I think growing up and fishing with a bag of oil for call it 70 % of my life to this point, I learned so much just because I could, I could go pull harnesses over the mud. could do that. I learned what a bug hatch did to fish, you know, how they react, how I had to change my tactics.
I learned that wall is a go way shallower than anybody ever expected. You know, it's it's it's great.
Brian Bashore (40:18)
Yep.
Yeah, I think they're catching them
in like two foot of water yesterday. Oh no, mean, and it's not like it's pretty clean too. I don't get some zebra mussels moved into there now.
Robert Woods (40:26)
Yeah. Yep. And.
Yeah. Yeah. It, changed a little bit. mean, thank God it's a, it's a mud bowl to begin with. mean, it's 21 feet deep. It whips up. gets muddy, but yeah, I mean that lake, I started off on the East shore when a bagel growing up and then my parents moved over here, maybe like 12 years ago to the West side. And I mean, you walk out on their pier now like
four feet of water and you can see bottom on a good calm, you know, two day stretch. And then you get a day like today where it's, blown out of the Southeast and it's just, it's, it's yeah, it's chocolate milk out there, you know, but.
Brian Bashore (41:11)
doesn't take long.
Yeah, that East shoreline
is always pretty clean. It's pretty rocky and what have you, but it's, you know, across the lake. you also, what I love about it is just what we touched on earlier, it's so diverse. You got the chain of lakes, right? Butte, Moor, Poygan, the river aspect of it, which I love to fish rivers. So you got pretty much everything that encompasses the river right there. And with just a plethora of multi-species, but you could pull flies, you could pull bouncers, you can pull three ways. You can troll, you can slip bopper, you can jig, you can cast cranks. It doesn't.
Robert Woods (41:19)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Brian Bashore (41:45)
matter, you can be fishing for bass and catching walleye or vice versa. And you can go way up the lakes and fish weeds and reeds, you know, or you can go out in the 25 foot and pull crawler horses and, know, clean, clear blue water, you know, in midsummer, but you have a lot of fly hatches on that system.
Robert Woods (41:48)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ I mean, so much so that they, they show up on the radar and then, you know, everybody around the lake that week really is terrible, but I've been out there and some of my best days, like in may pulling a hornet just on the edge of a rock pile, just before it gets to the soft bottom where those, those bugs are coming up and you've got the lake fly, you know,
Brian Bashore (42:21)
Mm-hmm.
Robert Woods (42:30)
hulls sitting on the top of the water and your boat is just greasy and disgusting. But the fish are just snapping. You can't breathe. You got your face mask on and you're just, you're eating bugs for breakfast. But like some of my best days have come during that. And like, it took a while to figure out how to get them to chew with that much to eat. But, you know, I learned. And then the next day I went and I pitched pillars in the river and caught them. You know, it's
Brian Bashore (42:39)
Yeah.
When they're eating, they're eating.
Robert Woods (43:01)
That's unique with this system, I think, is just how diverse it is.
Brian Bashore (43:07)
It's like mayflies. say, mayfly hatches happening, don't go fishing. I'm like, I'm going. I had a little sample high in the water column. I'm catching the fish are feeding and I know where they're going to be feeding and I can catch them, you know, or really small, you know, night crawler that looks like a mayfly larva basically coming up through the, you know, just get that stuff up or go where they're at. Maybe it's shallow in there and you can fish it on the bottom. But the bug actually don't scare me, but I can recall at least two or three times I've gotten off the water at Mago and had to go wash the boat.
Robert Woods (43:36)
Yeah, yep, yeah.
Brian Bashore (43:38)
The bugs were bad.
then anytime you sat down, you just squished them, you know, and your back and your seat and your back, your shirts is covered in little tiny black dots and your motor is just filthy. I'm like, okay. And then the next day it's all gone. You know, just like.
Robert Woods (43:41)
Yep.
Yep. Yep.
That's. I worked at a supper club on the water on the East shore. Jim and Linda's pretty, pretty famous supper club over here. Uh, growing up, I think I started there and I was like 14 and man, did I hate going to work and coming out of work on those strong West winds and like, Oh, I don't know. It just seems like they were attracted to white vehicles too. And I had a white Ford Explorer that turned like
this light gray, dark black color, like just depending on how many were sitting on it. You know, it's just get good with a shop vac for all the ones that got trapped in there when you open the door, you know, it's, it's something, but yeah, really fortunate now exploring this for bass too has been fun. You know, I come down here and I'll go out for a couple hours and just try some stuff and it's amazing. Yeah.
Brian Bashore (44:33)
Right.
Robert Woods (44:48)
Oh, there's bass in here with these walleyes. Like, you'd have the X and L catches, but when you're targeting them, man, this is a great smallmouth and largemouth fishery. So.
Brian Bashore (44:51)
yeah.
Yeah. I know
the walleye guys were catching some smallies yesterday and I've seen, I've got a few large mouth there. I've definitely got some smallies and I've seen some floating. was a fish kill a few years ago. I'm like, that's a, that's a big large mouth floating by, know, and there goes a big walleye floating by, but that place gets, I remember when I first went there and it was like a, on a weekday. mean, I started practice for a tournament on a Friday or Saturday. So it was, I mean, hundreds of boats a day out there this time of year. I mean, just probably all the time. I'm like, wow.
Robert Woods (45:11)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Bashore (45:27)
Well, this will, it's the weekend. Come Monday, Tuesday. I'm like, it's still a hundreds of boats. Does nobody have to go to work in Wisconsin or are we all third shift? What are we doing? Cause this place is busy and you can say to get 100 boats on a reef and you're still catching.
Robert Woods (45:37)
Yeah.
Yep. Yep. I mean, I thought the same thing and I was the guy out there and I'm like, does nobody go to work? And it's like, well, I mean, I should be at work, but it was just imperfect. You know? So yeah, it's, ⁓ I mean, we got a lot of good access to, the lake to like, you know, nobody really has to drive more than 10, 15 miles from their home to get to a good launch. My parents have a really shallow launch here and then black wolf. That's when I was
Brian Bashore (45:47)
All
Alright. Too nice.
Yeah.
Yeah,
black will feel. Yep.
Robert Woods (46:10)
You know, had the brain fart on when I was a little nervous at the start of this, but ⁓
black wolf up there. That's a mecca for guys. Cause that puts you right by all the reefs. You know, that it's, it's good. I, I do miss it sometimes living in Northern Wisconsin, like that big water aspect of Winnebago. Like I miss some of that, but I've been hitting up Schwab again, Bay a little bit for small mall, some wall eyes too, you know,
Brian Bashore (46:20)
Yep.
Robert Woods (46:39)
That's you get that big waterfuel out there for sure, but it's still a little bit of a hike for us. Um, but I mean, gosh, I live amongst 3000 lakes. Like I, I put it, I put an app on my phone, like a randomizer and you put like 15 lakes in and just hit the button and it's like, okay, I'm going to try this one today. You know, it's, it's pretty cool.
Brian Bashore (46:51)
Yeah, it's tough. Tough gig.
Yeah, that's, it's, it's hard to be. love the bago. know a lot of tournament guys don't like the bago system for whatever reason. And there's a ton of tournaments there. Um, but it's probably because the forge base, it, it fluctuates so much with the year class of fish, cause it gets so much pressure and then it may be, it's really down right now. Then all of sudden they're like, Oh, it's recovered and it's fishing great. You're high populated area somewhat. And it gets hit hard and probably take out a lot of those fish, but.
It seems to do well. don't, like going there for the diversity of it. The fact that you can fish however you want to fish, which is usually what the key is on any, where I said that's devil's lake. One of my favorite lakes bagels. One of my favorite lakes Missouri river is because you're not, it's not one dimensional. It's not a open water trolling thing, or it's not a whatever, maybe a Lindy rig and a slip bobber, Malax, super crystal clear water type thing. Um, of course, for facing so in our, we got.
That's it. That's the new fishing style. that's, that's, that doesn't matter where you go. You know, I'm going to do this, but yeah, any who, yeah. Love it. Love bago. is definitely a crowded place, but it's a big system. It's not that just jump in the river and go up the river, you know, up the lake, you know, and it may, may not be hardly anybody there, but I can guarantee you there's fish there, you know, or you can, it's, it's not hard to get away from a crowd and there's dozens of, I don't, there might be hundreds of reefs around the place. So.
Robert Woods (47:59)
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
Brian Bashore (48:23)
You know, one long reef's got 50 boats, go find the other one. I guarantee you there's going to be fish on it sometime throughout the day.
Robert Woods (48:30)
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, really, there's a lot of guys that do very well out here that are fishing very small reefs and they're fishing 40 of them in a day. You know, they're there, especially with Ford facing. Now you pull up, you know, if those fish are going to be there or not and move on. But yeah, my dad's got a nice little milk run of spots right out here in front of the house that he just wants to go catch a few fish. got, we got our good for two spots, pull up, catch two, move on to the next one and.
Brian Bashore (48:57)
Yep.
Robert Woods (49:00)
You know, that's, that's nice. That's to have that at your fingertips and to be able to, mean, my dad's neighbor here, like he's a legend on the one of bagel system. That guy, I swear he can catch them wherever he wants to doing whatever he wants to. Nice as they come just retired. I give him a shout out. He's a great guy, but like, man, can that guy catch some fish out here? He's just doesn't, it seems like he's always on them. It's, it's, it's impressive.
Brian Bashore (49:29)
I bet he couldn't wait to retire so he can be on them even more. So that's the one, one place that I would, I wouldn't, wouldn't mind living on bag on one of those lake houses. There's real nice houses on over where you're at and the other side. And I'm like, got your own docs and otherwise, like you said, a boat ramps minutes away, you know, and it's when it's nice, it's nice. But like anywhere when it winds howling, I'm in South Dakota, the wind's blowing all the time, especially today. So, but they go can, uh, easy access and good fishing. So.
Robert Woods (49:31)
Yep. Yep.
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (49:59)
Well, Rob, thanks for your time. We'll wrap this up. I need more coffee today. The throat's blogging up on me. We're going to leave our listeners with a tip, anything to help them on their angling journey. You fish plenty. You got plenty of fish experience or it could be product information. So any advice.
Robert Woods (50:18)
Yeah, ⁓ probably a piece of advice that was given to me a long time ago ⁓ would be to just fish your fish. It plays into what you talked about. Like you're able to come out to Winnebago and fish the way you want to fish. know, fish the way you want to fish. Get yourself a little uncomfortable sometimes and you're going to leave the water every time a better angler.
that for me, every trip I learn a little something. I feel I didn't necessarily better myself if I didn't learn a little something. Maybe it's a nuance to how you're presenting a bait or maybe it's just how fish set up in a certain wind given this structure situation. To me, that's probably...
Probably the reason I keep fishing is because you're challenging yourself, you're learning, push yourself a little bit, but fish your fish and fish the way you want to fish and you're going to have fun on the water every single time.
Brian Bashore (51:27)
Excellent right on. couldn't agree more. I Brett King always used to talking with him. He'd just say, just watch your own bobber. You know, don't worry about how they're fishing. Just fish how you want to fish. Do your thing. Just watch your own bobber. Like true, true man. Well said, true. So yeah, you're right. Fish, fish your fish. I get people at all. I am catching them here doing this and that. I'm like, that's great. And I'd say I'm not going to go look or experience it, but I'm always like, cool. That doesn't work for me. got to go. I got to figure it out.
Robert Woods (51:40)
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Brian Bashore (51:56)
I got to do it, do it my way. just can't, you can give me a way point and say you're catching them doing this and I can roll over there and I'm probably not going to catch them doing what you were doing. It just never works for me. like, I got to do it. I got to figure it out myself. I mean, take sure the info, mean, 90 % of time it probably doesn't work, but maybe 10 it does. So I don't know, but you're a hundred, a hundred percent right.
Robert Woods (52:16)
Yeah, no, that's exact.
I'm right there with you. They could be doing something just subtly different and that's the difference. So, fish your fish and it'll work out.
Brian Bashore (52:29)
Yep. Yep. You are right on for sure. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Robert Woods, ⁓ product manager. keep wanting to say project. It is a project, but it's a product manager with seven reels. So it, it used to be a project manager for all sorts of stuff. So it's always comes up with a product manager for seven reels, ⁓ created by St. Croix rides. check them out at seven reels.com.
Robert Woods (52:41)
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (52:56)
⁓ and it's some shield stores have them and he listed a whole lot of places. We'll drop some links down here below. So thanks for your time, Robert. know you got to get back to work or if it wasn't blowing like hell, you're probably going to get it back out there on the, on the lake today and go chase around some bass and some wall. I, I, I'm sure that's in the future sometime today. So it is definitely just, that's what everybody at worship to say. Cori factory should be doing. We can't have you all taking days off and it's nice out. Cause we won't keep up with the production, but.
Robert Woods (53:10)
Yeah.
It is, it is, so.
Brian Bashore (53:25)
Rotate that around that. know they take care of you guys well. So, it's probably a mandatory checkbox. I imagine on your time off requests is, is it, know, sick family fishing and that fishing probably gets checked more than anything. So, all right. All right, guys, thanks for tuning in and listening to this episode of real talk fishing with no limits. Once again, product manager is seven reels. Check them out down below here, seven reels.com. And thank you for tuning in, stay safe and we'll see you on the water.