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Conversations from the Hype Network; Business innovation, technology, and current events from a faith-filled perspective.
Ps Vance: We are on episode.
I don't know, but there's a
ruins nine here of the high pod.
It's definitely episode a hundred.
Yeah,
Ps Adam: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ps Vance: No, we're like, I
think we're in the high twenties.
We're definitely high twenties.
We're in the high twenties.
Uh, and it's been so fantastic.
We've been getting incredible
feedback from, uh, Our Hype
Pod family, the Hype Network
community, thank you for tuning in.
Uh, we never do this, uh, but I'm
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cause everyone's not here and messing
everything up, uh, but you need to
like, subscribe, we've never done that.
We've never, ever done that.
Yeah.
He hasn't done
Ps Adam: his job and it's already
Ps Vance: been going viral without that.
But now watch, it's going to 10 X
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If you're listening to this, it
means that you're all about faith.
You're all about innovation.
Maybe you're.
Maybe you're in the thick of it right now.
Maybe you are a Bitcoin holder.
Maybe you are just sitting
on the riches of Bitcoin.
You should be tithing.
You should be a kingdom builder, uh,
because you, you, you love faith as well.
Maybe you're in it.
Maybe you're just peeking in because
we speak to a lot of people that don't
consider themselves in tech, but love
the hype pod because they get to learn.
They
Ps Adam: get to learn.
Well, maybe you're an AI and you
conflicted like theologically, right?
How does this actually control the future?
What's my plans?
What's God's plans for AI?
Ps Vance: That's right.
Ps Adam: And this is where
you're going to learn.
This is where your friends
are going to learn.
Ps Vance: Exactly.
But it's a special episode today
in the high twenties, because
we have Pastor Kira, my wife.
Ps Adam: Hello everybody.
Come on.
Say hello, babe.
Ps Keira: I I'm so
excited to be on Hype Pod.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Can you be
Ps Adam: honest?
Have you ever listened to a Hype Pod?
She can only be honest.
Ps Vance: So this is going to be
Ps Keira: half of one.
Ps Adam: It was that good.
It was so good.
She turned it off.
It was that good.
She got halfway through.
The
Ps Keira: commute finished.
That's
Ps Adam: all.
There we go.
Wasn't
Ps Keira: the content.
Ps Adam: That's amazing.
So I'm so excited.
You've listened to half a hype pod and now
you're a guest on, uh, on the hype pod.
Um, but we're very thrilled
because we're not being here.
Has left an opportunity for you to be on
the pod and, uh, we're going to lean in to
get your perspective on a bunch of things.
We never really planned this, honey.
I'm just going to tell you, no,
we don't plan this, uh, but we
just let the conversation roll.
Yeah.
And, uh, I think
Ps Vance: having a velvet
hammers perspective is
going to be great if needed.
It's necessary.
Um, we need your perspective
on this pod past secure.
I want to start with this.
Um, because, uh, unfortunately I missed
this past Sunday, specifically my phone
was getting blown up because Vive at five,
Ps Adam: I
Ps Vance: heard was something special.
Uh, obviously we talk a lot
about technology and innovation,
but we cannot be the high pod
without the faith component.
Uh, can you share with us what,
what happened at by the five pastor,
give me a glimpse in our one on one
today, but from your perspective,
what was so special about it?
Ps Keira: I think, you know,
sometimes it's great to just create
atmospheres where you can come into
and where your faith can be enlarged.
And I think that's exactly
what we did on Sunday night.
We got in a room, we all gathered together
and the atmosphere of faith was electric.
And we created room for God to move.
And so worship was off the charts.
Um, you know, my husband, how
he provokes our worship team and
sort of gives them space to move.
They just moved prophetically.
It was powerful.
Ps Vance: Okay.
You're talking about different
components and I want to break this
down because we're going to take
a hype pod perspective to this.
We have a lot of people that are
engineers, um, that might be mechanical
software, whatever they might.
Be they think about things pragmatically.
Yeah And so when you talk
about the presence of god,
is there a pragmatism to it?
Can you engineer?
an atmosphere.
Ps Keira: I think you can
engineer an atmosphere.
Well, it's a partnership, right?
It's me bringing what I bring to the
table and then God doing the rest.
So God's always ready.
He's on the edge of his seat at
all times, wanting to pour out his
spirit, wanting to bring revelation.
He's always speaking.
God's always speaking.
And so when we come and we Get ourselves
in an atmosphere and we present ourselves
and we say, Hey, we're making ourselves
available for you to speak to us.
God, I'm leaning in to listen, to
hear what it is that you have to say.
Then absolutely.
That's where the magic happens.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Ps Keira: It's like, you know,
creating anything you bring your part
to play and then you pray for the
other thing, you know, to get on it.
Like,
Ps Adam: and we also know what God likes.
The Bible makes it very clear
that God's in the faith.
Wherever faith is, that's where God is.
You know, like the centurion had faith.
There was different examples
that any time faith, we know that
faith is the commodity of heaven.
So faith grabs the attention of God.
So when you're in a room, and maybe,
uh, the word engineering might be a
little bit rudimentary, you know, when
it comes to, uh, an atmosphere, like
I'm not necessarily If I do A, B, and
C, then God shows up, but I do know
that if I step by faith and I invite
God in, as, as Kira was saying, if
we actually set our hearts toward an
appetite for God and we're moving by
faith, well, maybe that just grabs.
the Holy Spirit's attention.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so it's not engineering in a formulaic
sense, uh, but there are components.
There are definitely
components that go into it.
So I hear that one of the, the comp
Ps Adam: so I, I'd say excellence as well.
Okay.
Talk about that.
What do you mean?
Well, God loves excellence, right?
Uh, when you do it with your
best, that's what excellence is.
It doesn't, and I'm not saying that
everything has to be professional,
like you have to have a professional
band and professional lighting in
order for there to be a move of God.
But if you're doing things with
excellence, meaning my best, the best
I've got, I'm honoring God with my,
I'm prep, I'm prepared as a preacher
or I'm prepared as a worship team.
We're prepared as a church.
We didn't just go, well,
what do you want to do?
Let's just do, no, no.
It was like, Hey, we're
prepared a platform.
We're offering that to God.
Now, God, you move on top of that.
You know what I mean?
Ps Vance: Let me play devil's advocate.
Ps Adam: Okay.
Ps Vance: Um, because if God is all
about maximum glory, how does us being
excellent, um, why does he like that?
Well, that's our
Ps Adam: offering.
That's, that's us giving glory to God.
We're treating him as glorious by
saying, man, we better bring our best.
Let's bring out a game because
we're not just putting on a show.
It's not just like a 18th birthday party.
This is, this is a worship service.
So let's bring a prepared, rehearsed team.
Let's go through a run sheet
that we know what's excellent.
And let's use that as a framework
or an offering for God to
now do something on top of.
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
That's how he gets glory.
I think the way to not glorify
God is don't be prepared.
Ps Vance: Wow.
So I do agree.
I mean, I think just even as
human beings and we're creating
the image of God, right?
We're drawn to excellence.
Yes.
That's why people have, we can
say this cause everyone's not
here, iPhone versus Android, um,
because people are just drawn.
Uh, to excellence, that's subpar,
um, you know, and so, uh, so
excellence is a component.
Preparation is a component.
Um, what I'm hearing is a pursuit
Ps Adam: is,
Ps Vance: is a component.
I heard this, uh, teaching around
revivals and, um, They were studying
everything from the revivals in the
Hebrides in Europe, all the way to Azusa.
Right.
Different denominations, different
style of preaching, different
style of worship, uh, different
everything ministry approach wise.
But one consistent denominator they found
in all revivals was this component hunger.
Yeah.
Appetite.
There was an appetite.
That seems like another component.
Yeah.
And, and, and what would you say?
Because when you were talking about
it earlier, pastor Adam in our
one on one, you were saying that.
You guys pursued it until something broke.
Yeah.
Um, and that could maybe be spiritual
language for some people that are just
coming to the faith, listening to this.
Can you break that down?
What did that mean?
What, what do you mean it broke?
Ps Adam: Well, I mean, I'd love to
hear it from, from Kira's perspective.
I was on stage and in many ways, uh,
helping direct, okay, let's go in.
Let's keep pushing.
Let's, you know, uh, that was
the privilege position I had was
to either pull it up or push in.
And I felt like we're going to push in.
And I felt like it was, it was
being carried in many ways by
the worship team, but yet hadn't
translated to the congregation.
But then there was a moment where
it just felt like it opened up.
And it was actually, from my
perspective, it was the drum breakdown.
We had this moment where I.
It had to literally tell me like
like like a couple of times i'm
telling the west stop singing I
just want drums just straight drums.
No, no instruments No vocals
just drums because I just felt
the spirit of god was on josh.
Who was the drummer and uh, And so he
was going for it, but the the vocalist
was still singing but i'm like no guys
stop I just want the raw drums and
then when that happened in my from my
perspective something just switched
in The service I mean, you were on the
floor, you were in the congregation.
Ps Keira: Yeah.
It switched because it
was out of the norm.
Like, you know, it's like you, you're
feeling songs to a point and there's
always, you're, you've got your
instruments, you've got your vocals
happening all at the same time.
But when you strip it back,
there's this vulnerability.
There's this like, wow, that's different.
It caught my attention.
And that's what dropped us in to
like a new thing that God was doing.
Yeah.
And it was.
It was amazing.
It was just like
Ps Adam: that moment.
Compounded
Ps Keira: from there.
Ps Adam: Exactly.
And it shifted something.
So then the atmosphere shifted.
You know, when you feel a shift in an
atmosphere, I mean, this doesn't even have
to be in a, in a, in a church service.
You can, you can feel a shift in
an atmosphere in a board meeting.
Yeah.
You can feel a shift in an
atmosphere in a staff meeting.
You can feel a resistance,
but when you push through into
something out of the ordinary,
maybe it creates a shift as well.
And, um, I think what God's
looking for in you as the leader.
Do you have the faith
to make the bold shift?
Do you, are you going to take
the risk to do something out of
the ordinary that God rewards?
I don't think God's in the
formula of a drum breakdown.
So now everyone goes, there's a drum
breakdown, you know, but I think
God's rewarding the risk that we
took to, to do something out of the
ordinary that requires, okay, this,
this could come off really bad.
This could come off really woeful.
It could be terrible, or
it could be everything.
And I think God's like, Oh, I love that.
I love that faith.
Ps Keira: But that's kind of a lot like
God because what looks like an ending
is actually a beginning with him.
And so you could have taken an off
ramp at that point, cause it was kind
of wrap up time, but you're like, no,
I'm going to take the on ramp and I'm
going to allow God to do something.
But you had to pioneer that.
You had to push through
and fight for that.
Ps Adam: And I think that that's what
You know, if we're going to like Kind of
break this down into a hot pod format.
I think whatever your setting
is, are you willing to break
through into something unfamiliar?
Are you willing to pioneer a new path?
Get the attention of heaven.
Yeah.
I think God's attention gets on
your business when you pioneer
a new path on your leadership.
When you pioneer a new path,
whatever it is that you're doing.
Um, I think that there is a
way to grab attention of God.
And if you've just got an appetite
for God to move, um, it, you'll be,
you'll Frustrated with the status quo.
Ps Vance: That's what it is right there.
Yeah, right like it's breaking out of
the status quo Yeah, and that's why
church can sometimes feel monotonous.
Maybe well, everyone's copying
Ps Adam: someone.
Ps Keira: Yeah,
Ps Adam: right Like let's take it
even whether it's in the church
whether it's in business You know
how many networking events you go
to to learn the play, you know?
It's like let's hear from
an expert on how to do it
Ps Keira: and looking for
the formula They're looking
Ps Adam: for the form exactly looking for
the formula and you'll look out in the
crowd and you'll have the expert on stage
Sharing what they've done and everyone
taking like a B C D notes like oh, that's
what I'm gonna do rather than taking the
ethos of what they did They're, they're
almost trying to lean into the play and,
and human nature wants to rerun the play
cause that's the easiest way to do it.
It's proven, but what their play
won't work for you, what you've got
to take is the ethos of the risk that
they took or the, the trend buck,
uh, as we say, when you zig, you zig.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, like what am I taking from that?
That is the, uh, the willingness to
break out and, uh, break through.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
I mean, if we transport this to a business
setting really quick, um, I felt like
I could experience it a little bit, uh,
recently, actually in an event that,
that you will, We're at with me on that.
We were hosting for overflow,
the recent NBA experience.
Yeah, we did.
But before we kind of took a bunch of
pastors and leaders to a basketball
game to just have some fun and
fellowship and build some connection.
Um, we did a presentation, we did a
presentation and, uh, overflows newly
minted office, uh, which was awesome.
Uh, I don't know if you guys felt
this, but, um, I actually felt like
the atmosphere was really awkward.
So at the beginning, and um, when I
was presenting and I, I got, I got, um,
one of our board members, Mackie, who
was, uh, the creator of the Instagram
brand and Bible project and a lot of
amazing brands to kind of do his thing.
And he was giving great content again.
It was like still awkward though.
I felt like people were warming up.
It felt like people were kind of
sizing up and, um, it felt like
people were just a little bit
confused on why they were in the room.
Maybe.
Yes.
Uh, and things like that.
And I was sensing it and I was, you
know, and then, uh, I was like, okay,
well, let me use this as a brain trust.
Let's get people to introduce
themselves and share.
And it kind of warmed it up a little
bit, but it was still, I felt like
something didn't break through.
Right.
Right.
Um, and it was funny because I feel
like it started to break through
when the led screens that was
supporting me started to break down.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: That's what I was laughing at.
Ps Vance: And it's like, it's like, isn't
that funny sometimes that you think that.
Uh, excellence is perfection.
Right.
Right.
But excellence is actually
what you were saying earlier.
It's did you put your best foot forward?
Did you take leaps of faith?
And in that moment, like my
flesh wanted to cuss out my team.
Um, but by the grace of God and by his,
his grace, Holy Spirit, uh, we pushed
through and, um, we, we presented what we
wanted to present, but I actually got so
much more feedback on my response to that.
Ps Adam: Yes.
Yeah.
And I think that's a big leader.
You're as a big leader.
Can I just roll with what's happening
and use even the tension sometimes,
you know, or am I stuck to a script
because I'm a one dimensional leader?
A one dimensional leader
will have one script.
They go in.
If that gets altered,
it's all falling apart.
But you're not running
a necessarily a script.
You've got an objective, but
there's three or four ways you
could get to that objective.
And if the plan isn't working, meaning
like you've got your finger in the air,
feeling the temperature in the room and
what you had prescribed isn't working,
can I pivot and turn it into a Q& A?
Can I get some feedback?
Involvement from some other people.
Can I kind of shift this up in the moment?
Still stay in control, but take
a next route to, it's like a GPS
reroute, you know, live in a meeting.
Can I like change this up so that I
still get to the destination, but in
a better way, maybe more scenic route?
I mean, it
Ps Keira: was, it was awesome
though, like to watch it unfold.
Okay.
To be on the other side, you're
like, okay, this is happening.
What is he going to do with it?
Ps Adam: You know?
And I think it was freeing for pastors.
And that's when I felt like it broke open.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Ps Keira: But we could all relate to
you because we've all been on the other
side of scriptures, not going up on
time or, you know, screens not working
while we're doing what it is that we do.
So, yeah.
You, you dropped us into the picture
of that and then you rose to the
occasion and that was beautiful to watch
because life presents us many obstacles
Ps Vance: and
Ps Keira: it's like a lot of the time,
not, you know, um, uh, you know, sometimes
you want to react, but you responded and
you seized the moment and you captured
our attention and you brought us through.
It was awesome.
Ps Vance: And preparation helps, right?
So that breakdown of the screen, because
I was prepared, uh, wasn't the silver
bullet that would kill me in that moment.
Yeah.
Cause I knew myself.
Ps Adam: Right.
Ps Vance: And a lot of times your
preparation will allow you to zag while
maybe somebody would zig would allow you
to not have to stay to a script will allow
you to not have to think so formulaic.
And I think that's what
we're really talking about.
Here's the reality.
A key component to entrepreneurship
and innovation, um, is that you
can't be tied to just one script.
You can't be, I mean, what makes a great
Ps Adam: CEO is the pivot.
Yep.
Your ability to pivot your
ability to stay on your toes and
be able to pivot when need to.
And I don't think I'm not a believer in a
culture of pivot because there's a culture
of pivoting means you're just not planned.
Yeah.
So you're always preparing
the Gary to pivot.
That's different from
your ability to pivot.
Good.
Okay.
So you have a culture of
preparation and an ability to pivot
brilliant rather than exactly.
That's a great word.
Agility is a great word
that actually describes it.
Uh, do we have an agility to be able
to jump hurdles when they come along?
Unsuspecting hurdles or,
or do I need to go back up?
Give me a run up.
But agility is kind of just from a
standing jump hit this, or do I have
to get a big run up and, and tackle it?
So some people use lack of preparation.
As an excuse by having a pivot culture.
Yeah.
Oh, we just pivot.
We just ready to roll.
No, that just means you're unprepared.
What's better is preparing people, love
it, but then being able to pivot when
Ps Vance: situations happen.
So one of the things I love, one of the
elements I love about vibe, our churches,
uh, it's an organism, it's a people
group, it's community, it's all those
things, but I view it sometimes through
a paradigm of a platform and a product.
Right.
Um, and what I love about you
both as my pastors is you, you, I
believe you're a product people.
You really care about the details.
Sure.
Um, of how we're serving people, our
worship experience, what we're talking
about excellence and things like that.
And we've always been prepared.
We've always had a plan.
You've had strong vision, pastor Adam,
and you carrying that out as well.
Pastor Kira, how much of.
Um, that preparation and
those plans, um, have actually
materialized in the last decade.
And how much do you think we've had to
pivot, um, maybe even take, you know, fast
forward to the most recent times, right?
Like what, where are those
pressure points and pivot points
that we've had to adapt to?
Ps Adam: I would say that the overarching.
Plan is still in play.
Yeah.
I would say the big plan, big
P plan is still along the way.
There's been many reroutes
along the way, which are pivots.
Um, but I think the
destination is still the goal.
Um, how are we getting there and what
it looks like who's on the journey?
They're the pivots.
Um, you know, but I think the
main goal is still the main goal.
We're here to plant churches.
Yeah.
We're here to build the church.
That's definitely the goal
from the beginning, uh, or at
least early in the beginning.
Um, how we get there and, and, and why I
say that is because you don't know what's
going to be unlocked in different seasons.
Yeah.
Okay.
So a company starts, you don't
know what, what phase, uh, funding
will get unlocked for a church.
You don't know what phase of
building will get unlocked.
Yeah.
Uh, I know churches that get
a building in year three.
We got a building in year 10.
Yep.
I know church has got
a building in year 20.
Yep.
Like, so you don't know at
what stage that will unlock.
That introduction of something
will change a direction, but
some some pivots are really good.
Some pivots are really hard.
Mm hmm But I think that that's kind of
how we've that's how we do it because I
think the plan is still at the forefront
Ps Vance: For sure.
How would you characterize it?
Ps Keira: Yeah, I would say exactly
the same thing The plans the same
Ps Vance: thing
Ps Keira: and that's the
thing for a visionary, right?
Yeah, a visionary gets to see
things twice Once in their mind's
eye and the second time in reality.
And so that's what we get the privilege
of going like, we know where we're going.
We know where we're taking this church.
We know the vision as crystal clear
in our mind, but the personnel that
shifts and changes, you know, there's,
there's elements to this that kind
of, you know, life happens, um, you
know, situations, circumstances arise,
COVID, different things you pivot.
And you make the vision still come to
pass, but you got to change the way that
you're doing it at every given moment.
So there's seasons.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
That was a big unpredictable pivot.
Yeah.
Ps Vance: Covid.
Huge, huge, but it didn't
really change the big P plan.
It didn't.
No.
And it reminds me of something that.
Our good friend Chiwa said at
Flowcon, somebody asked the question
of how has your vision changed
since you started Goodwater?
And he said, he didn't know
he still uses the same vision
deck that he used in year one.
Yes.
They just made it look prettier.
That's called value for money.
That is great.
Whoever built that one keeps paying
dividends, but you know, it's fancier.
It has better branding.
Um, maybe a little bit more bells and
whistles for how they communicate it,
but it's the same, it's the same vision.
I do think that there is a beauty.
Um, to the longevity of a vision.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Ps Vance: Oh yeah.
Um, I think there is a beauty to
those that are willing to stick it
out, building a specific vision.
Ps Adam: I agree in vain
of that, in that vein.
Let me, can I ask you a question, Kira?
Ps Keira: Yes.
Ps Adam: Um, sticking it out because
what you've been pioneering, uh, with
Vive Girl across the globe, right
now in year 11, We are now seeing a
movement of women all across the globe.
We've got, uh, everything from, um, you
know, designers, uh, CEOs, business women.
We've got like a community of
women all across the globe.
This year, you're going to do these
epic one nights in different countries.
You can do like a night in Frankfurt.
You can do a night in London.
You're going to do a night in, uh, Milan.
Beautiful.
Or Rome.
Ps Keira: Milan
Ps Adam: in Milan, and, uh, we're
going to see like all these women over
this journey of 11 years of building.
Now, what is epic?
What is that journey of
perseverance been like?
And, and how have you actually stuck
through amidst all the opposition?
To women in ministry and all those
kinds of conversations that happen.
Where's your mindset?
At?
Ps Keira: My mindset
to do the will of God.
Ps Adam: Mm-Hmm.
.
Ps Keira: You know, like there's so
many off ramps that we can take in
life and I, and I, you know, I said
this this morning with our staff,
it's like there's no grace on walking
away from the call on your life.
Wow.
But there's every ounce of
grace for fulfilling it.
Ooh.
And so I've just tried to keep
myself centered in the grace of
God and the call of God on my life.
And that is to build his house.
Is this a facet, an avenue, a way, a piece
of the pie that I get to build our house?
Yes, absolutely.
Do I do it in other avenues as well?
Yes, I do.
But I think that there's so much to
be said for women being looked after,
being ministered to in the house of God.
Man, there's so many women that,
that Jesus did ministry with.
Yes.
And that's why I'm so passionate about it.
It's like you're Lydia's and
you're Chloe's and you're,
you know, you're like amazing.
You're Mary's like amazing
women who did incredible things.
Ps Adam: But I'm wondering if like.
If Vive Girl, for Vive, or women's
ministry in another setting, is actually
the secret source to a potent and powerful
church, because if you've been, and not
many men have, I have the privilege of
being at these women's gatherings, okay?
And I'm going to tell you right now, there
ain't no party like a Vive Girl party.
Like the, the way women
are when they get together.
That's you.
Yeah.
It's almost scary.
Ps Keira: It is.
We are a foster to be,
Ps Adam: it's a little bit
intimidating because 'cause
inhibition is thrown to the wind.
Oh.
They, they really don't care.
They are all out.
But they're in a safe space.
They're in a safe space.
Ps Keira: Yeah.
Ps Adam: So, so that culture that you've
created, what was the key components
to allowing a culture like that to be.
Well, how do you build that
culture where they have, they come
in and they're just like wild.
They're going for it.
Ps Keira: Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to create an,
a safe space for that.
And the thing that I know that I can
offer that the world cannot offer
is worship, the word and ministry.
So those are the three things.
Distinct things that I just go
after every VIVE girl gathering.
And so when the girls come in, it's
like that camaraderie that love for God
and love for each other is really what
I'm just leaning into and magnifying
and Empowering to take place because
I think as women we want to be each
other's advocates We don't have to be
each other's competition I think we
need each other in each other's corner
Ps Adam: and and there seems to be a
theme You That you keep running through
all the gatherings I've been to, which
is how do we behave around each other
and the conversation of heart surgery.
Ps Keira: Yeah, because those are
the, those are the characteristics
or that's the atmosphere.
It's who we are.
It's our DNA.
It's what draws us together.
Christ calls us together.
But then the way that we behave, cause
I've been in many gatherings, man,
I've been in many rooms, rooms where
women are in and it's not a fun space.
Yeah.
Right.
But what do you
Ps Adam: mean?
What does that mean?
Ps Keira: Well, it's usually, you know,
Ps Adam: a little
Ps Keira: bit, yeah, gossip, you know, I
have to push you down to elevate myself.
That is not at all the aroma
or the atmosphere of any of
our vibe girl gatherings.
It's truly is coming alongside
and encouraging each other
to be, live the best life.
Biggest life that you can live.
Hey, you're writing a book.
I love that you're writing a book.
Do it.
You know, Hey, I'm pioneering a company.
I'm the CEO over here.
Hey, that's amazing.
Increase your sphere of
influence in that zone.
And how can I help you do that?
Ps Adam: See, I love that because
would you agree, and maybe Vance, your
perspective on this, I mean, you've,
you're, you're a father of daughters
as well, and we've got like, it feels
like in the last couple of years, there
has been an all out assault on women.
Hmm.
The definition of what is a woman, the
rise of highlighting transgender and, uh,
pronouns and all these kinds of things.
It either makes women want
to rise up or shrink back.
And how have you specifically led
women to be truly their identity
in Christ as women and be bold
through all the, All out assault,
it feels like, on women from Satan.
Ps Keira: Yeah, you know,
but that's the challenge.
And women, women I think are the best at
rising in occasions, um, where there's,
uh, tension or where there's circumstances
that need, you know, somebody to rise up.
In the absence of a man,
a woman will rise up.
You look at Deborah in the Bible.
It was like, and then Deborah arose.
You know, so I think it's in
our DNA as women to, to rise
up in, uh, in these moments.
And you know, we have things to
say, we have things to contribute.
We have giftings, we have anointings
Ps Adam: that
Ps Keira: God wants to use.
So I'm just leaning into
calling them what they are.
Yeah.
Women of God.
Yep.
And you know, empowering them to do what
it is that God has called them to do.
Ps Adam: Oh, I like that.
There's
Ps Keira: so many things.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
It's beautiful.
I like that sentence.
We have giftings.
We have talents.
I think that that's literally what,
uh, is the beauty, beautiful makeup
of whether it's a church or a
business, a company, a product is.
Let's move away from DEI.
Come on.
Let's move away from just having
women just to even the mix.
But could we include women because
of the unique mix that they
bring, not just to have a mix.
Right.
Right.
Ps Keira: I think it's a huge insult.
Ps Adam: It's a huge.
It's gotta be a huge insult to be
invited to the room just because
we need a woman in the room.
Ps Keira: Yes.
It's a huge insult.
I want to be in the room because
I'm the right person in the room.
Because I'm the most skilled
person to be in the room.
Because I have what it takes
to fulfill whatever it is.
Like I have that piece of the puzzle
that you need, but I don't want
to be in the room just because.
What an empty win.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Uh huh.
To get in the room just because.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Yeah.
You're cheated.
But it's like, there is, there is a
way to have a, a mix of male female
because of the unique aspect and
mindset and giftings and under,
understanding, but that's what DEI missed.
This DEI movement and push was all
about just having a mix, just token
put people in just to make it look and
it's superficial, but what about at the
core of it, about having somebody with
some real brilliant perspective that
maybe, maybe it's men we're missing.
Ps Vance: And I love the word
uniqueness, even in the premise
of you constructing the type of
ministry that you're going to build.
You started from the question
of what can the world not offer?
Yes.
Yes.
That's what I'm going to offer.
That's so good.
And if you're building a company, um, I
really feel like that's a mission critical
question for you to ask, um, so that
you're just not another lesser version
of something that's already out there.
Right.
You have to come from the component of
what is not out there that I uniquely am
created, that I have, uh, you know, what
we talk about at Overflow all the time
is, um, You don't want to be The best.
You want to be the only, right?
Right.
Right.
I'm the only choice
Ps Adam: or if it was an only
Ps Vance: choice, I'm not trying to
compare myself to anybody because this
is the choice if you want to do X, Y, Z.
Oh, that's such a boss.
We really, we really carved out right.
Uh, this area where we feel like we will
be, we are the best of the world at,
um, and I just create a new category.
You got best in class.
You're going for only in
class, only in class, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because the real.
That's the reality, right?
If we're really, um, believing that
there is a true uniqueness, a true
genius to each person, a lot of it
is, uh, us discovering what that is.
And so even when I was going on the early
days of my entrepreneurial journey, um, I
really had to clarify a lot of my intent.
Right.
And, and Kim was a big help in that,
um, making sure it was clarified
away from just the money motivation.
Yeah.
Right.
For example, and I know that might sound
cliche or basic, but, uh, I think it's
something that everybody has to confront.
The element is in us.
Ps Adam: Well, I mean, if
Ps Vance: you don't,
Ps Adam: you'll lower class to make money.
But if, if to be the best, you'll
Ps Vance: spend money to be the best.
Exactly.
And, and when I clarify that, okay,
cool, my motivation is, my motive is
not going to just be for, uh, money,
um, but it's going to be for a mission.
It allowed me to then go on the journey
and it was a fun journey of understanding
what is God created me to do?
In this world and I was uniquely
positioned in a place where I was like,
oh wow I have all this great insight for
being executive pastor at vive church I
have all this great insight for being For
the ground level team at vive church to
see a progression of a church plan all
the way to where we're at Today to be
part of even buying buildings right now
and things like that How can I leverage
that experience where I also was at
google and um learned a lot about tech
How can I marry those worlds together?
I feel like I'm probably in a handful of
people that couldn't do something like
that because you've had a front row seat.
And I say that with all humility and
you're probably listening to this
and that's a good journey to go on.
Yes.
It's like, what are you?
You guys told me this really
early on is you have been under.
Uh, some great leaders and you've
also been under some leaders that
you didn't really agree with a lot
of the way that they led, but you
counted that as a blessing too.
Of course.
Because you would tell me that
clarified what you didn't want to do.
Of course.
Ps Keira: Of course.
A thousand percent.
Yeah.
I mean, that's
Ps Adam: vital to your growing, right?
It's, it's, um, how do you
get a picture of parenting?
You get it both from things your parents
did well and things you go, I don't ever,
I don't ever do that because you're,
there's a point in your life where you
realize, Oh, my parents are human, right?
Cause they make mistakes too.
Up until a certain age, you just
think your parents are God, you
know, and they, they know everything.
And then you realize, Oh,
they make mistakes too.
And that's why it's a good thing
for parents to be able to apologize
sometimes when they make a mistake
to teach their kids, Hey, we're
human too, but learn from us.
All the stuff that you want to
build in and even the stuff our
mistakes learned from that as well.
Ps Vance: Wow.
Ps Adam: And that's going to shape
great next generation parents, right?
Same with business, leadership, all
these things you get to, uh, uh, what
we, we call, we used to use this term,
eat the fish, spit out the bones.
Yeah.
So we're going to, you
don't consume all of it.
There's some bones that you got to
pick out of the leadership that you're
like, no, that's not digestible.
I'm not going to digest that.
I'm going to eat the, I'm going to
eat the meat and leave the rest.
Ps Vance: You know, I'd be remiss
if I didn't go into this topic while
having Pastor Kira on the podcast,
cause we were talking about parenting.
Right.
And I often joke with people that I'm
actually running five startups right now.
One is overflow and then one is
Lennox, Emerson, Tatum, and Wesley.
Uh, and uh, those are my most treasured,
uh, startups that I get to be a part of.
And Pastor Kira, you're probably
one of the greatest mothers, uh,
that we get to be in relationship
with and we learn so much from you.
Um, and I've just been, you know,
Last maybe two years specifically.
Um, so blessed and impacted by just
how Medea Zalizar are just thriving.
Yeah thriving talking about like
ingredients and components and elements
what have been important ingredients
on the journey of You know being
an amazing mother to these amazing
children that has allowed them to
just really thrive in the season
Ps Keira: I'm going to give you one.
Ps Vance: Yeah,
Ps Keira: because I think it and I will
say that it's consistency Consistency
And so what we don't consider a lot
of the time is that when we become a
parent, we're still growing up to, and
so our kids get a front row seat to us,
not knowing everything, but trying out
everything and going on that journey.
So, you know, once you get a
little older, you start to realize.
Oh my gosh, my parents were learning
while I was learning and there
was this like thing taking place.
So it's now in the latter years
that my children will tell me,
mommy, I just want to be like you.
I love the way that you lead people.
I love the way that you prepare
for a Sunday service, the way
that you prepare for preaching.
They see what happens behind the scenes.
And then they see what happens
from the platform and they
don't see any inconsistency.
So I think that's been like the
greatest ingredient to my life.
And, and being, you know, being able
to say, Hey, I'm sorry, I got it wrong.
Hey, you know, I'm going to be better.
I'm growing too.
Those kinds of things, I think in
a company setting, uh, with your
boss hat on, but also with your
children, it's like that, that wins
a lot of emotional equity with people
to know that you're the real deal.
Ps Vance: Okay.
You both brought up this, I caught,
um, in talking about parenting,
apologizing to your children.
I wanna, well, I've
Ps Adam: never done anything
wrong, so if I do, I'll apologize.
Ps Vance: Well, I, I wanna,
it's perfect in marriage too.
I'll bring this principle.
Yeah.
I wanna bring this principle
actually in a leadership context.
Um, I totally get it
in a parenting context.
That's powerful.
Yeah.
Uh, but, but do we do that
in a leadership content?
Context as well.
Um, is it different?
Is it the same?
Um, how do you contextualize that?
Yeah, that's a good question
I'm very different to him.
Ps Keira: I do I fall on
my sword all the time.
Ps Adam: Okay,
Ps Keira: I will I will
take it for my team There's
Ps Adam: been times where kira's
like Let's just apologize for hiring
that person to everybody else.
I was like, no, that wasn't my bad.
I believed in them and
they didn't make it.
You know what I mean?
I
Ps Keira: subjected them to
everybody else, you know, so I
have this sense of ownership.
Ps Adam: Right.
Yeah.
I think we definitely have a, a different,
you know, Uh, response to the same
situations, um, Kira is definitely quick
to apologize and quick to take ownership
and quick to be like, look, that's my bad.
I kind of, uh, know that the risk
in trusting people comes with the
risk of them not being trustworthy.
And so, uh, I'm not going to
apologize for trusting and
risking, um, that was on them.
So, so, but, but if there is
a mistake, that is clearly me.
I've got no problem with saying,
Hey guys, I own this one.
Um, I think there's ownership,
extreme ownership is owning
the wins and owning the losses.
And that's where the position that I'm
in, if we don't get a win, I'm going
to own that in the sense of not going
to the team and going, apologize.
I'm so sorry.
I failed you as a leader.
That's not, that's not leadership.
Ownership through saying, Hey,
look, I admit we probably could
have been better prepared.
I admit, I probably
could have led us better.
Instead of shifting the blame on
everybody, like, hey, you should have
performed better, you should have turned
up on time, you should have, no, no, I'm
just gonna wear it and go, hey, I should
have, I should have called us higher.
I should have had more expectations
on us, you know what I mean?
And so I'm taking the ownership.
Ps Keira: In fact, when you do that,
when you kick into that mechanism
and that mode, it actually invites
humility amongst everybody else.
And then everybody else offers up
their part that they could have done.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: They chime in a bit.
You know what?
I own this and I could have done that.
And now we're like,
okay, yeah, you're right.
I think a part of
Ps Vance: me feels a lot of permission
to hold other people accountable
when I know I'm holding myself
to the highest accountability.
Sure.
Right.
And, um, and when I model that, um, I feel
a greater permission, uh, to not like go
in on people, but to hold them to the same
standard that I'm feel like I'm holding
myself to at an even greater level.
And
Ps Adam: you can, if you are
holding yourself to that high
standard, you have no problem
holding people to that standard.
But if you know that you're not,
then you, you really feel fake.
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
Ps Vance: For sure.
Yeah.
It's kind of like ministering from
places where you haven't gotten victory.
Ps Adam: Exactly.
And you can,
Ps Vance: you can
Ps Adam: always smell that.
Oh yeah.
It feels wounded.
Still.
It feels really sensitive.
You know, it doesn't feel strong.
It hasn't felt like it's healed.
Um, that's why I think people
even in ministry, they, they
jumped to make a testimony out of
something that's not dealt with yet.
And it comes off really awkward.
It doesn't come off like freeing.
It feels like they need now prayer and,
uh, and we've got to be really quick to
heal through a season before we become an
expert on it and before we teach on it.
I think in what we're seeing with the
rise of influences is everyone's trying
to use their situation to, to teach or
grift off their situation when the reality
is you, you got to go through it yet.
Ps Vance: There's a lot of
public therapy going on when
therapy is meant to be private.
Yes.
How do you all approach that, um, you
know, because I think a lot of it in
our preparation and our priesthood
of excellence, what hijacks that
sometimes is our mental, right?
It's not healthy.
Yeah.
Uh, you know, obviously prayer is
a big component of both of your
lives, um, but break that down more.
Is it, is it really all in prayer
where you get your counsel individually
or, you know, what are some tools?
Kira, you want to go?
Ps Keira: I go to God first.
And I, you know, that's
my first point of call.
But then I also have great pastors.
My pastors are amazing and
they give me the best counsel.
Literally, there's no counsel
they've given me that I haven't
applied and it hasn't worked.
So you do need to have great
counsel, but I take everything up.
I don't, I rarely will
take things sideways.
sideways to my husband, of course, he
knows everything, but you don't generally
need to tell your whole friend group or
bleed it out to those who follow you.
That's helpful.
You know, you, you've got to understand
that you're a bit of a protective layer
too, from like, you know, as a head or
a CEO or, you know, You know, whatever
it is that you're leading as a leader.
I understand that I'm meant to be a little
bit of an umbrella of protection from
the storms of life and from financial
press pressures and from certain things.
So I'm trying to absorb as much
as I can and not bleed that out.
on to everybody else underneath me.
Um, and so that's why you have to
have those good avenues and, and
know exactly where are those pockets
that you go to for that counsel.
And I want good counsel.
I want counsel from someone
who's been there, done that.
I'm not looking for counsel from someone
who has no idea and they haven't journeyed
the road that I'm about to journey.
So the
Ps Vance: practical, practical
people on the potter.
I can hear them.
They're asking, how do you, how do you
do that practically with your pastor?
Are you, is it voice memos back and forth?
Is it text message?
Is it a weekly call?
Is it a quarterly in person meetup?
How do you do it?
And how do you find it?
Be effective.
Ps Keira: I do.
I do it very relationally.
I'm not the kind of person who just
takes withdrawals from people because
then you just feel like, Oh, I'm
just, I'm that person in their world.
So I make investments, I make phone
calls, I reach out, I pursue my leaders.
Um, I'm always trying to get
in, in my past as worlds.
Um, and so, you know, it can be as
frequent as you need it to be, you know?
Um, it's
Ps Vance: like seasonal,
Ps Keira: seasonal, but yeah,
I'm not on there or every week.
It's like, you know, maybe once a
month I'm reaching out, I'm checking
in and I get the same kind of response
Ps Adam: back.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, I think for me, uh, I, I will
intentionally bottle some things up
to have a conversation with my pastor.
Oh, interesting.
Um, where I will filter out.
Is this, Is this a level of conversation
that I need his, his input in?
Wow.
And I know that because I'm
approaching him to disciple me.
Okay.
But I know that
discipleship is discipline.
The two words are so uniquely similar.
They're almost the same word,
disciple and discipline.
That's right.
And Hebrews definitely talks about the
fact that God disciplines those he loves.
If you're not disciplined,
you're an illegitimate son.
Right?
So when you think about it, I have,
the reason I bottle it up is because
I'm preparing myself to be disciplined.
I'm not going, can you coddle me?
Can you tell me it's going to be okay?
I go to actually, I actually get
that in my prayer time with God.
Like God reminds me he's with me,
but he let, I allow God to use
my pastor to actually correct me.
So I'll bring a situation, situation.
I say, And I'll invite, Hey,
how can I do this better?
What am I missing?
What would you do in this situation?
And I'm not looking for him to
say, Oh yeah, they're really mean.
They're bad.
No, no.
I'm looking for him to go, Hey, you
probably could have handled that better.
I'm and that's why I bottle up
because I'm preparing myself
Ps Vance: to receive discipline.
See that language bottle up.
Pull on that thought a little bit
more because I think that would
probably trigger some people.
What do you mean by that?
Ps Adam: Well, I'm not just
every single thing I've got.
I'm just on the phone and saturating them.
I'm actually storing it up till
I've got a robust conversation.
And if it's sat there for a week
or two and it's still an important
thing for me to talk about, well,
most things will solve themselves.
You marinate on stuff.
I marinate.
Yeah.
Because I don't want to just
be flighty and emotional.
And flighty emotional is actually
going to be the sure way to not
have my pastor answer my calls.
Ps Keira: Plus, plus you live in
that zone, so you're placing a guard
over his time because you honor him.
Because I
Ps Adam: have people do that to me.
And I know when somebody's actually
processed something and they're bringing
something of importance, not just.
I'm their first call
Ps Keira: right?
No, you're their 10th
because that's the worst.
Ps Adam: Yeah, that's even worse.
That's even worse Yeah,
like you already spoke to
Ps Vance: everybody else.
I like I like the marination strategy Um,
I I have this kind of axiom in my life
that time is the best truth teller Yep,
and sometimes in the short term in your
immediate view It seems crazy, right?
But if you actually just open up the
aperture, yeah, and let time Right just
go by you start seeing like you said
actually You Sometimes it does work
itself out and it actually is not even
a point of conversation right anymore.
And sometimes if it does
last time, okay, cool.
Maybe it is a persistent thing
that needs to be brought up.
Yeah.
And
Ps Adam: that's why I say bottle it
up because I want to put a lid on it.
I want to hold it.
I don't want to affect
every area of my life.
I want to put it in a compartment.
And I want it to be able to be
controllable where it's not like
now my whole world's falling apart.
As I grow and as I learn, maybe
over a few days or even a few weeks,
and if it's still, when I open that
up, it's still really sore and raw.
Okay, now I can talk to my pastor.
Ps Vance: And that's why I asked about
the bottle of language specifically,
because I think what people would
think sometimes, I talked to, uh,
some men about this is, is they feel
like that posture, Is uncontrollable.
Okay.
Like that bottle up can
lead to a busting open.
Ps Adam: Well, it can if you never
ever open it in the right space.
Good.
So you've got to be able
to have a storage mode.
That there's the right outlet
to talk about it in health.
If you never have that outlet and
you just keep trying to jam things
in that bottle and it's like, that's
your, that's your, that's your
solution is just to only bottle it up.
Well, it is going to explode at some
point because it has a certain capacity.
You have a certain capacity, but if
you're storing it to appropriate it
and have a conversation, that's a
different way to open the bottle.
Ps Vance: I feel like you both are
good studiers of your leaders as well.
It's something that, uh, I
try to learn from as well.
Like I won't send pastor Adam a
voice memo cause I know he hates him.
I hate him.
Um, and although they text, they, they
Ps Adam: translate into text now.
I know.
Okay.
So you like them.
Well, I never listened
to the voice message.
I read the text
Ps Vance: But it's just a one silly
example of like, you know, if you do
want mentorship if you do, uh want to
Uh glean and receive from your pastor.
Um, you know help them help you.
Yes Yes Study your leader Um and
understand the cadence and understand the
communication pathway and you'll get so
much more Uh, you'll get so much more.
I love your tactic as well Like your
immediate response past career was like
so what I do is I invest Brilliant.
Yep.
I think that like, we're always
looking like, how do I extract more?
It's like, actually, why don't you just
think about how do you invest more?
Exactly.
You know, and then you'll
maybe receive some dividends.
You'll receive
Ps Adam: dividends that you're
Ps Vance: looking for.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Relational equity is everything.
Um, there is, there is, it depends, but
you can't put a price on, on relationship.
And what does it, what kind of
investment are you prepared to
make to get that relational equity?
And equity is really the
best way to define equity.
It's what you can draw on.
Yeah, what you have available to draw on.
Yeah.
And so if you make investment, investment,
investment, then you'll have enough
equity to draw on when you need it.
Ps Vance: I'm just going to
say right now, bold statement.
This is the greatest podcast
we have ever recorded.
It's so good.
On the hype pod.
Because of the velvet hammer.
Man, I can't wait to share this when this
is published with our vive community,
with the hype community, um, with
everybody that listens to this podcast.
What do we
Ps Adam: got coming up
in the hype community?
Ps Vance: Yeah.
So today actually, uh, as we were going
to our one-on-one, we were just hopping
off, uh, uh, ask me anything Yes.
With Charles Shannon and a yes.
A venture capitalist within, come on.
He's awesome.
Our community.
Oh, he's
Ps Adam: so good.
He's so smart.
Ps Vance: We're doing more
of these events, right?
Yeah.
Ask me anything.
Uh, we, we have some network nights.
Is it too early to talk about?
Amen.
Never too early because a man's
coming to talk about a man.
Talk about you told me the other day,
I didn't even fully catch up to this.
You have over 30 sessions, 30 different
Ps Adam: art of sessions.
What does that mean?
I mean, we've got, we've
got sessions on sessions.
We've got specified sessions.
The hardest thing you're going to
have to contemplate at Amen experience
this year is which session do I go to?
Because there's going to be multiple
sessions you want to be at, but they're
all going to be at the same time.
Well, At least three of them are
going to be at the same time.
Um, I've got, I've got a really
great session I'm excited about.
We've got this chef
from London, MJ killer.
He's got this session.
He's going to do the art of fire.
He cooks with fire, but it's not
just about cooking with flame.
The way he, he unpacks the
artistry behind cooking.
And I mean, I said, bro, you're going
to have to bring, you're gonna have
to be prepared to feed everybody in
the room because there ain't no way
we're going to be able to listen to
that and not salivate and just want
to, you know, Just kill something,
you know, so that's going to be great.
And then, uh, we've got my friend
Jason from modus operandi coming
all the way from Napa Valley.
He's going to do the art of wine.
He's got a hundred point one.
Yes.
He's got a hundred point one now.
Like he is at the top of his
craft as a boutique winemaker
and just really breaking down.
He's going to break down
his journey of faith.
What it is to grow wine, make
wine, and really just, just really
integrate that with building business.
Last time we were up
there, we prayed for him.
We did pray for him.
Exactly.
And he got baptized recently.
Oh my.
So he's just got God's moving in his life.
Um, but I mean, we've got industry,
all kinds of different industry,
film, uh, you know, innovation tech.
We've got a.
A personal finance and
investment with Chiwa.
Oh my
Ps Vance: goodness.
Ps Adam: Like, I mean, I said, let's
break you out of like company mode.
What about personal?
How do we, how do we facilitate
our personal finances?
And how do we make personal investments?
That's going to be
Ps Vance: wild.
If you are not signed up for
Amen, uh, just even for that right
there, um, silly, silly decision.
Get signed up right now.
June 26 to 28 in the Silicon
Valley, best summary life.
Yeah.
Just Google amen conference.
Um, it's going to be amazing.
How?
So we have the hype community listening
to this and you know, we had people from
the hype community come from Brazil,
from Miami, from actually Diego, part
of the hype community was just here.
Yes.
I saw him today.
Just cause he loves this space so much.
And he was part of amen last year.
The art of is a bit different.
Um, and we're just blowing
it up with so many sessions.
How is hype specifically
going to be integrated?
We've got a hype
Ps Adam: house again.
We're running that back,
uh, in the hype house.
is, you know, opportunity for co working.
Uh, so you don't even
have to take time off.
You can just work remote, work from
the Hype House, do lunch and learns,
be in sessions, network with other, uh,
you know, innovators, people in tech
industry, that kind of stuff, be around
the atmosphere of the church and faith.
And, uh, you know, it's, It
was so brilliant last year.
We had sponsors coming in.
We had, uh, different real treats.
I think they had like Boba stuff
and all these really cool stuff.
So it's just a great environment
to do your work from.
Um, on top of that, there's going to
be just industry specific sessions
that, uh, you get to be part of,
you get to grow in your faith and
then you'll be poised and ready.
For the Amen experiences at night,
which are going to be off the
charts, releasing a new album.
Uh, you know, just, we're going to
have, we're maxing out, uh, we're
closing registrations at 2000 people.
We're going to get there really soon.
And, um, you know, if we do, if
we do go to 3000 people, we'll
probably open up another venue.
Cool.
Um, but at the moment the
plan is here in Mountain View.
We'll max out at 2000.
Ps Vance: Well, the Hype House is
outdoors, um, in this beautiful,
uh, structure that we custom
build for the conference.
And it's in the parking
lot of Vibe Church.
And it's the first business event
I've ever been to that has tailgaters.
We had tailgaters last year that just
popped their Cybertruck, uh, tailgaters.
Yeah, that'd be great if
we had a little Cybertruck.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Tailgating at the hype house,
Ps Vance: Tesla going
to sponsor this one too.
So I love it.
Come through.
Yeah.
I love it.
So sign up for amen conference.
Uh, go to hype network.
org or hype membership.
com to learn more about how you
can go and memberships open to
Ps Adam: right now.
All right.
Ps Vance: We're taking
Ps Adam: applicants.
Ps Vance: So we're taking applicants and
you got to do it this month before it goes
to a thousand dollars So it's still 500.
Yep limited time, which is just
silly We overpriced it that way, uh,
because everybody keeps telling us
it's way too cheap and i'm like Ah,
like I love that and I hate that.
Um, yeah, and so All these funds
just go back into reinvesting into
making this experience even better.
So you want to make sure to uh,
Check that out hypemembership.
com.
We love you.
Yep.
Hi pod family and we'll see you next time.
Ps Keira: Bye