The Fourth Way

I had the opportunity to speak with Joshua of Our Foundations podcast. We talk a lot about idealism, which is often a pejorative accusation levied at ideologies which seek to change the world. In this episode we dig into whether or not anarchism is a natural outworking of the idealistic Kingdom of God, and whether Christians should compromise on that ideal or pursue it.

0:00:00 - Introduction
0:12:45 - Christians should seek idealism and perfection, despite its unattainability
0:18:00 - Why don't we teach pursuing the ideal in governing our world, but we teach pursuing the ideal in regard to things like adultery/lust and murder/hate?
0:22:00 - Reverse incarnation as hope and hypocrisy as a lack of pursuing the ideal
0:24:30 - how do you know which ideal to embrace when there are competing idealisms?
0:29:40 - The practical nature of the Kingdom of God and his orderly universe
0:40:40 - Cycle of individualism vs the cycle of institutionalism
0:46:00 - Flipping the script: the idealism of the statists and just war adherents
0:56:00 The practical nature of God's kingdom
1:01:00 - The alternative of no government seems worse
1:05:00 - The market as organization rather than state
1:20:00 - Free markets incentivize non-discrimination
1:31:45 - Cycles in human history
1:38:00 - Outro and plugs

Show Notes

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  • My Reading List Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/21940220.J_G_Elliot
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  • Video Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IN4L6JooZE&list=PLNrd6lQRh0iZzSxgMo_zhz69clqkD0W9J&index=10
  • Our Foundations Podcast: https://ourfoundations.podbean.com/
  • Creature from Jekyll Island: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/66499.The_Creature_from_Jekyll_Island?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_18
  • Christian Attitudes to War, Peace, and Revolution: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4465311-christian-attitudes-to-war-peace-and-revolution?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_26
  • The Fourth Turning: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/670089.The_Fourth_Turning?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_14


0:00:00 - Introduction
0:12:45 - Christians should seek idealism and perfection, despite its unattainability 
0:18:00 - Why don't we teach pursuing the ideal in governing our world, but we teach pursuing the ideal in regard to things like adultery/lust and murder/hate?
0:22:00 - Reverse incarnation as hope and hypocrisy as a lack of pursuing the ideal
0:24:30 - how do you know which ideal to embrace when there are competing idealisms?
0:29:40 - The practical nature of the Kingdom of God and his orderly universe
0:40:40 - Cycle of individualism vs the cycle of institutionalism
0:46:00 - Flipping the script: the idealism of the statists and just war adherents
0:56:00 The practical nature of God's kingdom
1:01:00 - The alternative of no government seems worse
1:05:00 - The market as organization rather than state
1:20:00 - Free markets incentivize non-discrimination
1:31:45 - Cycles in human history
1:38:00 -  Outro and plugs
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What is The Fourth Way?

A podcast focusing on issues related to nonviolence, and a member of the Kingdom Outpost.