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This is a space for coaches, trainers, and leaders who love the game — but don’t want the game to cost them their family, their integrity, or their soul.
Here, we talk about leadership, pressure, culture, identity, and the quiet tensions no one prepares you for when you step into coaching.
This isn’t about chasing wins at all costs.
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I’m Coach Sanders.
Let’s redeem the game — one coach at a time.
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Welcome back everybody to the
Redeeming the Game podcast, part
two with my former players, Mr.
Tobias Welling and Mr.
Seth Howard.
Fellas, thanks for, uh, sticking
and staying on, uh, on the
podcast here for, for part two.
And, uh, ladies and gentlemen,
we are going to go headfirst,
dive right back into this thing.
We just finished, uh, part one talking
about the championship that was.
Seven games we won that
nobody saw coming, but we did.
And then we talked about how God really
ministered through, uh, that, that
season of their lives and just really
transformed all of us, including myself.
Like, uh, j- I was even thinking about
as you guys were talking, uh, if, if,
if you're listening to the podcast
and you didn't hear part one, to give
you a little bit of a synopsis, one
of the things that sticks out to me
was the bus rides at the national
tournament after we won the regional,
and how we just worshiped on there.
It just always turned
into a worship session.
Thank ⦠Now, now partly because Quez and
Ike could really play and sing, that was
really part of it, but, you know, that was
super ⦠It was super powerful to always
be ⦠We just always ended up that way.
God just really worked through that,
right, like in, in a, in a powerful way.
So as we segue into part two here, uh,
we're gonna title this one From Champions
to Shepherds, because both of these guys,
if you missed part one, are pastors.
One, Seth, is a senior pastor
and, and Toby is a youth pastor.
And, uh, and so really excited about
this part because I think this one is
extremely telling, and I think that
for, for the listening audience, this
one will give the most context to
who you are right now and where you
came from and what has shaped you.
Um, so Seth, we're gonna start
with you on part, on part two here.
Uh, and, and so the question that
it really is w- when ⦠What, what
happens when life doesn't go as planned?
Like you had a, a, a traumatic experience.
You spoke to it in part one.
But really, really talk about
what, what it's like, who, who
you were then and who you are now.
Hm.
Absolutely.
Um, yeah, I mean, so much
has changed because of it.
Uh, so w- in the middle of my high
school time, I was, I was a believer,
was raised in a, a Christian household,
so I had my faith as my foundation,
but I was lukewarm, um, hiding behind
sh- uh, masks when I would go toâ¦
I went to a Christian school.
Would hide behind face masks because
I didn't want people to know the
struggles I had too Uh, and I kinda
touched on it, right, when in, in
part one of getting to there, getting
to Calvary and understanding I'm
not the only one who struggles.
Come on.
Um, and so was just living in th-
this double life, honestly, of
believing in Christ but not living
in the freedom He bought for me,
um, and paid for with His blood.
And so as I walked through that and got
into my sophomore year of high school
and started feeling called to ministry,
with just the littlest touch of the Holy
Spirit, and that growing and growing.
And then when my dad passed away my junior
year after a, a week and a half bout
with cancer, um, just lost the man who
taught me everything I knew about God.
Got really frustrated, got really
angry with God for a little while.
Um, until God, still remember
it, God sat me down in the shower
and said, "Before you choose
anything, before you do anything,
open up the Bible one more time."
Mm.
I remember getting out of that
shower and opening up to Romans
8:28- ⦠and reading, "For we know
that all things work together for
the good of those who love God and
are called according to His purpose."
Come on.
And, and after studying it, understanding
that, hey, the word good there doesn't
necessarily mean what I think it means.
It means He's going to make me more
like Christ- Wow ⦠in everything.
And a light switched in my head and in
my spirit more of, okay, I know God's
using this to make me more like Christ.
Mm.
Now let me start s- seeking
out to be more like Christ.
Come on.
Um, and so in this tragedy, God used
it to wake me up from my lukewarm
faith and start kicking me and, and
spurring me to be more like Christ,
to battle the struggles I had.
And hey, don't get me wrong, Coach,
you can attest to this, Toby,
you can attest to this, like, the
struggle doesn't go away ever.
No.
But the, the battle was on now.
It wasn't just a in neutral
coasting through life, it was,
it was time to get to work.
Wow.
And it lit a fire in my seat because I
knew I wanted to be a pastor so that I
could help other people walk through the
death of a parent, the, the breakups, the
hardships of life, the loss of children.
And I still have to deal with that
and- Come on ⦠work with that.
And I go back to God's grounding
after that moment, uh, when my
dad passed so often, because it
was such a pivotal moment where
I had to make my faith my own.
It was no longer, "I'm just going-
Wow ⦠to church because that's family."
Wow.
It's, "I just lost the guy who taught
me and who I had walked behind.
Now it's time for me to step up to the
plate and be a man and make up my own
decision of what I'm gonna believe."
Wow.
Um, and so that just lit a fire.
Uh, and then of course going to
Calvary and actually starting to
get foundations built upon the
faith I had really committed to
at this point and was on fire for.
Being a part of the brotherhood to
battle those struggles- ⦠um, and
continue, you know, growing in Christ
as a unit and as a, as a body, uh, just
lit the fire even more to keep me going.
Um, and then of course- That's powerful.
My goodness, that's powerful ⦠uh,
like I said, just God then saying,
"Okay, your time here is done
after three years in Kansas City."
"Here's a church I have for you"- Wow
⦠that at 21 I never would've thought.
You know, I'm not qualified.
I'm still not qualified, but God qualifies
the called, and, uh- That's exactly right.
Come on ⦠He's pruning me as I go
and- Come on ⦠uh, shaping me how
He wants me all because I, what, seven
years ago said, "Okay, I am gonna
commit to this because I can trust
it, and He knows what's best for me."
So good.
Well, and I think a great transition
out of this is you kind of spoke to a
little bit of the struggle, uh, that,
that we all as men have, and, uh, I
think that it's really important for
the audience to know that, like, y-
you, you have a traumatic experience.
And I think we all, whether it's
death by a thousand cuts of, likeâ¦
And I don't mean death, but I mean,
like, death to our flesh by a thousand
cuts or one traumatic experience.
It all, it all, it all plays
itself out in different ways.
So Toby, in, in, in your experience,
obviously you didn't lose a, a, a, um,
um, a parent or, or mother or a father.
But you, you've had some similar
struggles, and, and whereâ¦
what have they taught you, and where
are you now and, and that kind of thing?
Yeah, that is a great transition.
Um, and thank you for sharing that, Seth.
That was super powerful.
Man, I, yeah, I don't know how I would
have responded to losing a dad like,
so this is super powerful testimony.
Yeah.
Um, so I think I will go back into,
um, a, run it back just a little
bit of, uh, kind of my story.
Um, and so like I shared earlier, I
grew up in a Christian household and
was shared the gospel at a very young
age, but I heard it as a kid, and when I
heard it, I was just a scared little kid,
terrified of the thought of going to hell.
And so when I was a kid, I generally
believe I gave my life to Christ,
but through growing up, I would come
to know what sin is and, um- Hmm
come to know why Jesus died
for me, not just, you know, for
my salvation to, for heaven.
No, He died for my sins.
And, um, so like Coach said, yeah,
I, I've, uh, had a, a struggle with
pornography growing up and, um,
which is another reason why I'm
grateful for Calvary and for the
team, and like Seth mentioned, the
accountability of all the guys, um,
that was a huge blessing, um, and, you
know, overcoming, uh, that struggle.
And, um, I mean, we even went through
Conquer series as a team for the guys who
wanted to be on it, just an incredible
brotherhood, um, of accountability and
just encouraging lifting one another up.
And so when I wanted, that was a big
deciding factor in when I wanted to
become a pastor is, man, there are so
many young- People in general, I shouldn't
even say young guys, young women, young
men, who just are going through life.
The world tells them so many different
things, um, the world throws so many
different things at them, and I want to
come alongside them in their struggles,
in whatever is going on in their life, and
show them that a relationship with Christ
frees them from the bondages of sin- Come
on ⦠gives them new life and salvation.
And we're not meant to walk
through this life alone.
Um- No ⦠God created us to worship
Him and to have a relationship with Him,
and- Do ⦠and really do life with us.
Um, and He knew exactly what we were gonna
do every single point of our life, um.
Come on.
Says in Ro- in Romans it says, uh, "For
Christ showed His love for us that He
died for us while we were still sinners."
That's right.
And so all of what we've,
we're gonna do in life, He knew
about it, He still died for us.
And so when I came to Calvary,
though, um, I had the thought of,
you know, I wanna be a youth pastor.
That's what my dad did, um, and I had
a great relationship with my youth
pastor, and so I'm like, yeah, I could
see that being something I wanna do.
But here's the crazy thing, freshman
year wasn't really a part of a
church or serving at a church.
Sophomore year wasn't really a part
of a church, serving at a church.
And then my junior year I took
this class, um, called Expository
Preaching, and when I showed up, I
was like, wait a second, we actually
have to write sermons and preach them?
The class is called Expository
Preaching, of course we do.
Um, so anyway, I, um, I was like, oh
man, I don't, like, there's no way.
But, uh, you know, bought into the class
and, you know, put in the work and I was
like, okay, yeah, this is actually doable.
Wrote a sermon for the class.
I'm like, you know what would be cool?
If I didn't just share this with my class,
if I shared it with all the students.
Because I don't think I've ever
heard from, like, a student speaker.
I, I already have the sermon
writ- wrote, you know?
Why would I not, you know,
wanna share it with everybody?
So maybe that was a little bit
of a pride thing, too, you know.
But- Maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
So anyway, um, I go up to share my
sermon, and it was so fun because
all of my teammates, they got decked
out, you know, in their best clothes.
They all sat in the front row to support.
Um, but I get done giving my
sermon, and, uh, after theâ¦
No, it wasn't after.
I get done preaching the
sermon, it went great.
Then the very next chapel, um, the,
the guy who's in charge of getting
speakers for chapel, um, he comes
up to me and he's like, "Hey, the
chapel speaker wants to talk to you."
And I'm like, "Okay."
Because, uh, his name's, uh, the speaker
was Pastor Clay Bowen, and Pastor Clay
was looking for a youth guy, and since
I had just spoken at the chapel before,
I was the first name that came to mind.
Uh, John was like, "You
should talk to Tobias.
He's a youth guy.
He just-" Wow.
"⦠shared chapel last week."
Um, so then Pastor Clay approaches
me and is like, "Hey, I, uh, have a,
a spot open for s- a youth ministry.
We, uh, we just are, uh,
losing our youth pastor.
Would you like to do a youth,
um, ministry internship?"
And I was like, "Uh."
He's like, "Let's meet for
lunch and talk about it."
I'm like, "Okay, sweet.
That'd be great."
And so we meet.
We get done meeting, and so I immediately,
you know, I start praying to God about it.
And, um, I didn't hear the voice
of God, um, um, obviously, but in
my spirit, here's what I heard.
God was saying, "Toby, you say you love
me, and you say you wanna serve me."
Ooh, my goodness.
"Now are you actually gonna do it?"
Oh, my goodness.
And I was like, "God, y- that is
so, you are, you're so right."
And, you know, a lot of it was fear.
You know, I still had a lot of struggle.
And, uh, I like to say when I
was in college, yes, I was at a
Christian college, um, but I did
also at the same time, at times,
did my best to kind of run from God.
I was surrounded by amazing believers,
our team, but at the same time, I
really struggled with my relationship
with God, and, um- Wow ⦠would
do my best to kind of run from it.
Mm-hmm.
Um, run from the ownership, or not
ownership, the responsibility that
comes with our faith, and just
kind of- Wow ⦠really struggling
with dying to my sinful nature.
Mm-hmm.
That was really the struggle with,
um, committing to I'm gonna-- even
though I feel like I know I'm not
capable, I, I, I still am trying to
overcome a lot and, uh, deal with a lot
But like Seth said, God doesn't, um,
call the equipped, he equips the called.
That's right.
Come on.
And I- and listen, I,
I, it- it's, it's funny.
You're gonna laugh a- and
everybody listening, this is theâ¦
Toby does not have my show notes, and
so I'm sitting here thinking like we
start off with the, the struggle, the
battle, the bondages, and you just flow
right into to, to part two, question
two of why, why did you become a pastor.
Uh, this signifies start your own
podcast 'cause you're good at it, so
you should just go ahead and do this.
Um, uh, so Toby, you really did answer
that question and I'm, I'm so grateful for
it because it's a great setup for Seth.
And both of you talked about, you know,
hearing, but why, like you said now,
now we know why you became a po- you,
you felt like you should becomeâ¦
Seth, why did you feel like you should
become a pastor, and a senior pastor- Mm
at that?
Yeah.
Um, there's so much to that question.
Mm.
Because like I talked about, you know,
with my dad passing away, the biggest
part, the, the biggest step in becoming
a pastor was I wanna help people walk
through the, the worst times of their
lives and see God's faithfulness.
Uh- Wow ⦠going back to that
part one when we saw God's
faithfulness as a team- Yeah
it w- it illuminated so much for
me as well, where I was like,
"I want people to see this.
I want people to experience this.
I want people to, to share a story.
I want people to understand that
God is a God of love and a God
of grace and a God of mercy."
Wow.
One time, a- uh, as I had s-
just stumbled in my dorm room
as a, as a young guy, right?
I was weeping 'cause I knew I
was sinful and I was like, "I,
I keep falling back to this.
This is a struggle."
I got in the shower and I was listening to
Maverick City Music, and in my spirit it
hit me harder than I've ever hit just the
two words, my son, over and over again.
Mm.
And, um, it was justâ¦
I was, again, like that fueled it
of I want people to understand that,
hey, I just preached on this, um,
that Jesus is this older brother.
Uh, he's this great older
sibling that's here to help us.
You know, Hebrews, I think it's chapter
three, chapter two, somewhere in there,
of he came to not help the angels,
he came to help the seeds of Abraham.
Wow.
Wow.
And as spiritual seeds of
E- Abraham as believers-
Ooh ⦠Jesus Christ is helping us.
He's here to, when we stumble, to pick us
up out of the mire, to help us do that.
Proverbs 24:16.
Yeah.
Get back up, keep walking,
keep your eyes fixed on Christ.
I want people to experience that.
I want people to see that, because
our world has gotten so lost in-
everything a- and what is comfort and
what is real and what is truth, right?
Like- Yeah ⦠truth is relative now.
No, truth is reality defined by God,
a God of grace and a God of mercy.
My goodness, that's good.
Um, and I just, I want to help people
experience that, walk in that, learn that,
so that they can therefore go and make
disciples- My goodness ⦠among nations.
So- Well, that's powerful, and I think,
I think that what it does for everybody
is that, that you hear that these two
basketball players that are now pastors
in, in different roles, that again, it,
th- they're, you guys know this well.
Y- you can, you can, um, uh, you can
elevate the, the, the placement of
somebody with their title and think that
there was no struggle, there was noâ¦
Again, the tip of the iceberg, right?
You see, you see the, the youth pastor's
doing great, you see the pastor who's
doing great, but you don't see what it
took to get there and what God did in your
life to get there through all the b- And,
and we're all still, again, He's working
all these things out in our lives, right?
All of them.
He's the pruning, the pulling back,
the, the sandpaper, the, um, the, the,
the, uh, tearing away, um, of all of the
things that keep us from being exactly
what we've been called to be, to be
every single day, which is righteous and
redeemed and beloved children, right?
And, and sharing that with the world.
So as we, as we start to land the plane
on, uh, on, on, uh, part two here, uh,
and I'm gonna, I'm gonna tease us a little
bit with both of you and let you chew
on it before, before I ask the question.
And Toby, we'll start with
you when, when we get there.
But, um, the, the, the question's gonna
be: What would you tell young coaches?
Okay.
And as I, as I tease that, the
reason I'm bringing that up is
this podcast is designed, and I
want to say this to everybody.
First of all, thank you for listening.
And, and if you, if you've been following
this, please like and subscribe.
But most importantly, I love all that,
but I need you to share it because we
need more coaches to hear the stories
of these players' lives who are now
men and, and, uh, women o- uh, of
character as the game was designed.
And I, I, the reason I'm setting
it up that way is because I feel
like the coaches need to hear from
other players who are now done.
Like what, what, what would you say to a
young coach who's just getting started?
What, what would you say to them, uh,
like if you could say anything to them
maybe i- in a, in a one-word sentence,
and they are, maybe they're struggling.
What would you as a former player
who's now a pastor and leading
people as shepherds, like what would
you say to that young coach, Toby?
Oh, man.
That's a, that's a pretty loaded question.
Um, well, I'd say theâ¦
Man, the first thing I would say is,
uh, to just keep Jesus at the center.
You know, um, to encourage your, um,
your, your players to, number one, uh,
work on what's most important in life,
and that's a relationship with God.
Come on.
And, um, the other thing is, uh,
probably I would say don't let
the wins and losses define you.
Um, like- Wow ⦠our team, we
only won seven games leading up
to that championship, but, uh, we
weren't defined by those seven wins.
We weren't defined by whatever,
how many losses we had.
Um, we were defined by our
relationship with Christ.
That's where our identity was.
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
It wasn't in, it wasn't
in the wins or losses.
It wasn't in the game.
It was in our walk with the
Lord, and, um, Seth talked about
it a lot in the last episode.
But it was, um, rooted in just our-
Identity in Christ and God's faithfulness
to us, um, in all of it So good.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's good, Toby.
So that's, that's my, that's my first go
to, Seth, and I'll think some more too.
Yeah, yeah.
If you, and if you have
something, yeah, yeah, feel free.
If you, if you think of something else,
yeah, I'd love to hear it, 'cause I
think, again, this is, this is for
coaches so we want c- And, and again,
may- maybe coaches and leaders too, but
I mostly the, the podcast is for that.
So go ahead, Seth.
What you got, boss?
Um, to put it simply, uh, stay
faithful and seek first the kingdom.
Um, Toby touched on it too, um,
but I mean that's just what hit me.
You know, staying faithful, uh,
especially if you are a believer, um,
being faithful with what God's given you.
I talked about it and the attitude
we had in the last episode of we're
gonna be faithful with, with what God's
given us now, and we'll see what comes
later, and we'll be faithful with that.
Stay faithful.
Stay faithful to God's
teaching if you are a believer.
Uh, stay faithful in, in
training your players that.
Yeah.
Um- My goodness ⦠not, not getting
caught up, like you talked about
coach, the, the cogs in the machine.
Don't get caught up in that.
Stay faithful to them as a human, them
as, ooh, them as an image bearer of God.
Wow.
Woo.
Stay faithful to that.
That's good.
Um, and stay faithful to them
as a child of, a child either
of God's wrath or of God's love.
Mm.
Um, and so leading them how they need,
uh, so that they can come to the foot of
the cross and say, "Thank you, Jesus."
Um, and then seek first the kingdom.
Uh, as Toby talked about, don't
let the wins and losses define you.
Uh, Matthew 6:31 says, "So
don't worry about these things,
saying, 'What will we eat?
What will we drink?
What will we wear?
How many wins do we have?
How many losses do we have?'"
Those are added for effect.
But verse 32, "These things dominate the
thoughts of unbelievers, but your heavenly
Father already knows all your needs.
Seek the kingdom of God above all
else and live righteously, and He
will give you everything you need."
Not necessarily everything we
want, but everything we need.
Seek first the kingdom.
Stay faithful.
Thank God He doesn't give
us everything we want.
Thank you, Jesus.
Good- Absolutely ⦠Lord.
Absolutely.
Holy smokes.
Toby, w- you're burning.
I see it.
I see it.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I also, I thought of this as
well, um, because it's such a huge
factor, um, in youth ministry,
which is my world I live in.
And- So what I would tell a coach is,
um, and Seth made me think of this when
he said, you know, they're, they're a
person, they're an image-bearer of God.
And so as a coach, I believe a
huge importance is having a good
relationship with your players.
Mm-hmm.
Like, as a youth pastor, that's
one of my main goals, is to have a
great relationship with my students.
Because, you know, if I don't have a,
if I don't have a good relationship with
them, they're not gonna care what I say.
Absolutely.
They're not gonna lis- They're
not gonna really listen.
Um, to your credit, I f- I feel like
you did a, a great job of that, having
a good relationship with your players.
Um, I think of, like, my freshman
year, uh, me and my friends, we
stopped, we popped into your house.
I don't even really remember why.
We were talking about
going to get some food.
What'd you do?
You handed us some cash.
You're like, "Go get some food."
And, uh, one thing you always
would say is, like There's
always a place for you here.
Like, um- Mm-hmm ⦠you're always
gonna be a part of our family.
Like, if you ever need
anything, reach out.
Like, these are such important,
uh, aspects of having a good
relationship with- Come on
your players.
Like- That's right ⦠so as
coaches, like, don't just treat your
players like the cog in the machine.
Love them like Christ loves us.
Come on.
Mm.
Woo.
And I even think of, uh, moments
where, um, you know, I never got
in trouble when I was at Calvary.
Never.
Ever.
So, yeah.
Ever.
Which, uh, going back to episode
one, like, where were you when
you, you first stepped in that gym?
Um, when I first got toâ¦
I was kind of labeled as the public school
kid, which obviously there was other
public school kids there, but right off
the bat, I kind of- They're not meant-
⦠got, like, labeled as this rebel, which I
think was good and not good in some ways.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, uh, you know- Yeah ⦠I, I had
the good, innocent, fun rebellion,
but at the same time, in my stupid,
you know, growing up self, I had
the bad side of rebellion too- Yeah
where I was al- you know, doing
things I really shouldn't be doing.
Yeah.
Um, so anyway.
It's powerful.
Uh, I think of, like, moments
where, you know, I maybeâ¦
I got in some trouble.
Well, who was there for me?
My coach.
Yeah.
Come on.
Mm.
And who was at bat for me?
My coach.
Yeah.
Come on.
Yep.
That's powerful.
And so, and so, um, yeah.
That's really good.
Well, Toby, I think, I think, I think
that that sends the right message, right?
That because I, I love the fact
that both of you had, that Iâ¦
Th- who know, who in the
world knows what a cog is?
But both of you bought the picture of
what that is in a machine, and how I, Iâ¦
You know?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, no one reallyâ¦
I don't ha- That's such an old word.
No one uses that anymore.
That's why I was saying, like, a,
a something that's a part of
a machine, whether it be a, a
gear or a wheel or, or whatever.
That's really what it is.
But, uh, I love how that you both
have bought that in this, in this
conversation because, man, if I could
go back and tell my younger self that,
that would be the thing I would say.
Okay, so, uh, as we, as we put this
plane on the ground, I get to fire
at you one rapid fire question, and
you didn't know this one was coming,
and I'm not even gonna tease it,
but it's really easy and simple, but
you only get to say one sentence.
You don't get to go deep
into it, so you only get one
sentence as we land this plane.
So if you could go back to that seven-win
championship season and tell your
younger self one thing that God was
preparing you for, what would it be?
It doesn't matter who goes first.
I'll give you a chance
to, to think about it.
If you could go back and tell your
younger self one thing that God was
preparing you for, what would it be?
I mean, Toby, if you're ready to go.
Seth, if you're ready to go, hit it.
That was good.
Now we're still acting like children.
Here we go.
Um, I mean, I guess I could start it.
I think God was preparing me
for being a senior pastor.
Um- Wow ⦠and, and short explanation
of that, preparing me that God's
promises of his provision will last.
Come on.
That this job is not- Yes and amen.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
This job is not for the money,
but God will take care of me.
My goodness.
That's good.
Toby?
Thank you for that, Seth.
That's powerful.
Yeah.
Um, one sentence, man.
That's the, that's the tricky
part for me is the one sentence.
Oh, man.
I think it would be, um-
bias.
You know, I love you.
Keep me first and the rest will
follow Come on Keep me first.
Come on.
So good.
And, um- Man ⦠I haven't always done a
good job of that, and so it's, uh, it, I
need a daily reminder of keep Jesus first.
Come on.
Mm-hmm.
It's powerful.
The rest will follow.
Let's go.
My goodness.
Well, uh, I can't tell you
thank you enough, both of you.
I love you.
Uh, you know I love you with all my
heart, and, uh, grateful f- that you're
on this podcast, and, uh, the goal of it
is to reach as many people as possible.
So I love you both.
Thank you so much for
being on the podcast.
Thank you.
Thanks for having us, Coach.
It was, it was great.
Felt good to reminisce and, uh- Yes.
Isn't it great?
It's great.
That's the whole point- Yeah ⦠right?
That's the point of the, of
the team, the, the time span.
I was actually thinking in my
mind when you said, Toby, you said
something, I don't even remember
exactly what you said, but made me
th- oh, you were talking about coming
back to my house and coming through.
I, I was just thinking, like,
we need to have a reunion soon,
so, uh, something, something in
my mind I'll start working on.
We do.
Yeah, when we s- Yeah ⦠yeah.
Um- That would be awesome.
Yeah.
Um, so, uh, coaches, uh, if this has
blessed you and you have heard the,
the, the, the ultimate story that the
scoreboard won't do it and that, uh,
it's never gonna be enough, the wins
and losses are never gonna be enough,
the, th- your players being a cog in
that machine is not gonna do it for you,
Coach, um, here's what I want you to do.
I want you to go in the show notes and I
want you to download the 10 things that
I wish I knew as a young head coach.
I promise you it will help you.
And then if you read that or you open it
and you, you ⦠something sticks out to
you and you're like, "Man, I wanna talk
more," I want you to re- uh, I want you
to email me at matt@redeemingthegame.com,
and, uh, man, I just, I, I, I would love
to get in touch with you and talk to you.
And again, thank you guys so much
for sharing and liking this podcast.
Uh, it's really, really important to me.
And again, thank you Seth
and Toby for coming on.
Uh, and as we say each and every week,
we are redeeming this game one coach,
one family, and one player at a time.
Hope this blessed you.
See you next time.