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what is going on everybody
welcome to saturday
afternoon crossfit talk oh
uh it is day two of the
rogue invitational and I do
want to say one thing like
I am I'm a bit torn
because you know this show
likes to follow our
semi-final athletes and a
lot of them are doing
desert city classic this
weekend and I hate that
it's getting almost
completely ignored because
rogue is overshadowing it
rogue is awesome rogue is
great um and I guess desert
desert city screwed the
pooch with the scheduling um
But they probably didn't
know because Rogue did move
it ahead a couple of weeks
from typical time.
Yeah.
So, yeah,
they but like I was I was
watching Hattie and C.J.
Gerald and Madison and all
those guys kind of taking
it on this weekend.
and rooting from afar um for
them uh but and I'm trying
to get messages out to them
wishing them luck this
weekend and you know
wishing we could be there
and cover it or do
something like that um but
it sucks that they don't
stream yes because there's
some really good athletes
there is brian there I
don't believe so I believe
he's at rogue oh is he
He's on his European tour.
Um, uh, I know that, uh, our,
our other friend is there.
Oh yeah.
He was there last year.
He was there last year.
I remember watching like all
of his IG lives trying to catch heats.
Um, and that was super helpful.
So that, yeah,
that sucks for them not
having someone there streaming for them.
Yeah,
I think we talked about it last week
about things that could
improve the season and CrossFit growth,
and that is stream everything.
Yes.
Even if you have to do it on a cheat.
This is a grassroots sport anyway, right?
So it's okay that the video
is grassroots to start.
Screw the haters in the chat.
Just get it somewhere where
people can watch some events.
Yep.
And that helps the sport grow.
Yep.
It doesn't have to be just
rogue and water Palooza and whatever.
So, you know,
I've been a lot of thoughts
in my head for next season.
Like what,
what really should be our focus?
What should we do to kind of
help this out?
Because I want,
I want to show to be able
to continue to do and stuff
to talk about.
Right.
Yeah.
We need a season.
We need a, yeah.
Yeah.
so now off of my soapbox and
back to rogue um big news
today uh we'll probably
lead with that but I got up
at five a.m to start the
watching of this event
you're better than the rest
of us from bed
Fell asleep between events four and five.
I woke up in time to see five.
Watched that and then got up,
really got up and came down
and then pulled up the
tailgate party and all of
that kind of stuff to watch.
But we'll get to the events in a second.
But the big news of the day
is it appears that two of
the athletes ruptured
Achilles on the dual event six.
That was Gabby Magawa,
who was absolutely crushing this weekend.
I know.
And it looked like finally
taking that step from a
really good teen athlete to
a great individual athlete.
Yeah, I was incredibly bummed for her.
And she was doing well in the event.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah,
she was beating the people that made
the finals in her heats
before the rupture happened.
And we don't have
confirmation that it's ruptured.
It just appears that is what
happened before.
I did watch the Savan recap
of the last event.
James Sprague came on,
said that Heinrich stated
that he felt Heinrich
Kappelainen felt like
someone hit him in the back of the leg,
which is the same thing
everybody who ever ruptures
their Achilles says.
And then he said it did not
look good for Gabby.
She was...
a mess in the back.
Oh, I'm sure.
All that kind of stuff, right?
So that happened.
It's devastating.
Heinrich is another guy
who's been coming up in
that European region and
getting better and better every year.
Achilles tears are like a
full year minimum.
I know.
Yeah,
I don't see how she will be ready to
compete in the
Yes, you can skate through the open,
but... No way.
Yeah, there's probably no way an online,
you can make it through a semi, right?
Lynn says Heinrich confirmed his on IG.
Oh.
You know,
I'm good friends with Chelsea Nicholas.
She ruptured her Achilles at
the CrossFit Games.
Her doctor warned her not to
do the open almost a full year after.
Yeah.
That it really needs
eighteen months to heal.
And if you try to do too
much before the eighteen months,
it could rupture again.
Okay.
And that is,
and Chelsea did like the most aggressive,
the Aaron Rodgers version
of the Achilles repair.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and if you know, Chelsea,
she is dedicated to rehab.
She is dedicated to working out.
She did everything in her
power to move this along.
And it's, it's a tendon.
You can't work a tendon and
you have to let it heal.
So, uh,
Amar,
are we going to get flagged for the
Rogue event going?
I don't think the audio
would flag us for anything.
We're not showing anything.
I got it turned all the way down.
I don't think that would even flag us,
to be honest.
But anyway,
talking to her through her recovery,
like in the steps and where
she needed to be,
like this is just going to
be a long haul.
Yeah.
And you need to be patient.
You need to let it heal.
Yep.
So it is.
And if you're talking to me,
if you're talking to me,
if you're talking to me,
if you're talking to me,
if you're talking to me in months,
that's through next season.
Yep.
And even probably like into like January.
Yeah.
That's,
it's awful to make this much progress.
Probably feel like you, you, you know,
you're at your peak fitness and.
have that just ripped, ripped away.
So I do have a couple of
comments that are probably
not going to go over super well,
but you know, there's, I,
I saw on Instagram, you know,
the PFA was right there.
Why didn't they do anything about it?
These are not things that this is sport.
People get hurt in sports all the time.
You are, by definition,
pushing your body to its
limit to be the most
successful athlete you can be.
When you do that,
things are going to happen.
Yeah.
I know it's a controversial
topic with the box jump
overs and when it's
programmed as a mandatory
step down for safety.
I personally agree with it.
I agree.
I think the problem with in
these comps with like if it
was just that event, if it was, you know,
even maybe the open or in Europe,
like that's one thing.
But they just ran pretty far yesterday.
Like their calves are tight.
so when you have these
multi-day events to not
think about the safety and
kind of mitigate that stuff
when they changed it to the
burpee the burpee get over
I was like that's what I
assumed it was when I saw
her get up and over or
whatever I was like oh it's
gonna be a burpee over I
don't know why that
wouldn't have been
programmed that way in the
in the get-go I am not
blaming the pfa no no no not at all
Um, what I will say is to, to you is yes,
should,
should safety be a thought in your
programming,
but at some point it's on the
athlete to decide,
am I going to push this to
this level or not?
Yeah.
Right.
I agree.
This could have been one
without the rebounding.
I don't know about that.
I don't, I think,
do I think you maybe could
have made it into the top
five without rebounding?
Maybe if you were a fast
enough sled pusher.
Yes.
But you were not winning
this event without rebounding.
I don't know.
I just, I think that.
Like, you take the sport of football,
right?
And they try to keep it as
safe as possible for all of the players.
But at some point,
the linebacker has to decide,
am I going in at a hundred
miles an hour to tackle this guy or not?
Right?
And that's up to the athlete
whether they feel that the
risk is worth the reward.
I agree.
I don't rebound.
I...
I wouldn't do it even if I
was going to lose out
several spots because of it.
Um, but I'm old and got to protect.
So, um, and in, you know,
masters athletes have to go back to a job,
right.
And they have to do this stuff.
So,
Kipping it real says,
we still wear helmets and
pads even though it makes us slower.
Yes, that's your choice.
Well, and it's probably mandated.
The league actually probably
makes that a mandate.
I just... I'm tired of the blame game,
I guess, with every... Now,
with every safety issue,
we're looking for someone
to point fingers at.
And at some point, like...
It is up to the athlete.
And Lynn makes a great point.
Laura made it to the finals
before she started rebounding.
Yep.
Right.
And then at that point,
she said the risk was worth the reward.
So I think that.
Not everything is a
programming issue or a PFAA issue.
At some point,
we are just athletes pushing
ourselves beyond our limits.
I do it at a local comp,
and I'm not even getting paid for it.
Right?
I made the decision in the
last year that I am never
competing again.
Because my mind, I cannot shut off,
and I push to a point where
I get injured.
And I just have to stop competing.
So...
Yeah.
I mean,
it's one of those hindsight things.
I mean,
I would have programmed burpee box
getovers,
burpee hay bale getovers from the get-go.
I don't understand.
That is even more like full
body explosive power showmanship.
So I would have preferred to
see it that way from the get-go.
It was really fun to see Guy and Brent,
their speed on that.
So I think that would have
added a little bit more excitement to it.
But yeah, hindsight's twenty twenty.
Like now that you see it, you're like,
yeah,
we should have probably had the
burpee in there.
I, I will say.
OK.
If they would have
programmed the burpee from
the beginning or the
beginning of the men's run,
I would have been fine with it.
I hated the change midway through.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, it was a little weird.
I was like, oh, OK.
I think at that point,
you then manipulated it.
At the end of the day,
I don't think the results
would have been any different.
Probably not.
Right.
The same people that were
doing well before were doing well after.
But I think on the women's side,
it would have made a difference.
I think it would have made a difference,
too.
And I just think you would
have seen a little more
global fatigue out of that burpee.
I just think that would have
probably been the way to go, but...
I would have been fine if
they would have done that
from the beginning or the
beginning of the men's event.
I hated the fact that they
changed it midway through.
It's just another ding in
the armor of being a
professional or a more legit sport.
You don't stop a baseball game and say,
hey,
we're moving the mound back three
feet for the safety of the batters.
You just don't do that.
And so I just found that to
be a bit egregious.
But at the end of the day,
I don't think it actually
affected the results.
Guy was going to win that regardless.
Yeah.
And I say this all the time.
We dog him.
We dog him because he has these big holes.
But my gosh, is he athletic.
And he just looks pretty doing it.
When he runs, it looks like an athlete.
Except for yesterday on
shuttles when everyone
complained that he was... Not true.
But I'm saying today, like in that event,
he looked majestic.
The way he would come off of that...
hay bale and like way out so
he was already leading that
run so I didn't watch this
live and saw the alert like
through heat one that there
was an injury and I at
first in my head I was like
I wonder if it's the
like pulling that um I
thought maybe it was a back
injury from just like
yanking that thing up the
stairs but and then I was
thinking what right before
I saw it start I was like I
almost bet it's from
jumping off to start the
run like I thought somebody
rolled an ankle did
something and then finally
got to it and saw it and it
was actually kind of hard
to spot I was like waiting
for it because it was
coming but I was like
in Gabby's heat,
I was like watching Danielle.
And then I was like, we had to rewind.
I was like, Oh, well,
you just notice an empty
lane when they come out.
That's,
that's the only reason I even
noticed it was like four
people were running down instead of then.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you, so keeping it real says,
I have a question.
Does Gabby hold her points
and then get placement or withdraw?
Yeah.
I'm assuming she keeps her points.
Yeah, but I don't know.
It's up to the event
organizer how they set that up.
If it's a withdrawal or...
Because sometimes a
withdrawal just pulls you out.
Yeah.
And that's what happens at the games.
If you withdraw, then you...
You fall to wherever you are.
Like,
it happened after cuts at the games
when people withdrew, and so they fell.
Like...
When Ellie withdrew,
she fell below the cut line
because she did it before the next event,
and they let Kelly move up and in, right?
Right.
And then when Jamie Simmons did it,
she did it,
and she fell to twentieth
because they had already
moved into the next day,
even though she didn't
start the next event,
and we've made many bones about that.
Well,
she just kept her place at twentieth.
Right.
Well, she wasn't twentieth.
She was eighteenth or something.
And then they, she fell to.
Well, yeah,
because people started getting
points over.
That's the thing.
Like that'll depend on her gap.
Right?
Like she couldn't get lower
than at that point because
no one else was behind her.
But so had people continued
and more people with four
more events had accumulated
more points than Jamie.
That's she would have wound
up where she was,
but she kept her points.
Yeah.
I know someone in here asked
a question about how did it happen?
Oh yeah.
Is it a, yeah, I saw that too.
Uh, novice question right here.
Novice question,
but do they rupture out of
not enough practice rebounding?
Like even in B ball,
they get ruptures all the time.
I don't know what causes them to rupture.
I don't have the answer to this,
but Sean Rocket,
who is the orthopedic
surgeon at the CrossFit Games,
he commented on a Hiller
post that he actually did a
video on why this happens.
Okay.
And it's about the angle of
the foot and the way it
lands at a certain angle
that stretches the Achilles.
Okay.
And so I think it's if your
foot gets out of alignment
of like over the ankle and over the shin,
then the Achilles stretches further.
Yeah,
because your foot is out of position.
But he does have a video on
his YouTube channel that
explains why it happens.
I just haven't had enough
time to go watch it to get
the full explanation.
All of my knowledge comes
from Chelsea Nicholas who
blew hers out and we became
friends and I just followed
her rehab through her recovery.
Yeah,
I mean in my came on late keeping it
real but our grant and she
actually is the one that told me
Yeah.
In my mind,
it would seem like it'd be a
stopping starting like that.
Like this format is for me
in my mind would be like
the worst format for it to
possibly happen.
But I have no clue because
every other time we've seen it,
it's been like bigger,
dense sets and it happens.
So I don't know if it's an
accumulation and that's why
they're getting out of
alignment or but I can't I
can't imagine that the
stopping and starting and
going back to that movement helps.
Yeah, I would just say on Instagram,
it's three, two, one,
go MD is Sean Rockets account.
And I don't know what his
YouTube channel name is,
but I'm sure there's some
reference to it in his Instagram.
But he does comment on
Hillers a couple times.
He answers some questions for people.
And then he then he finally says, hey,
I did a video on this a little while ago.
Go check it out.
It's about the foot angle.
So.
go check that out with Sean.
And he's helped us out a ton.
He came on when we did the
documentary with Emily Rolfe,
explaining her injury and
how she came back from that
and all of that.
He's a really good dude and
willing to answer any
questions you might have there.
So yeah, so the day, gosh,
started early and we did...
The first one was that the row, right?
The row.
Yeah.
The row thruster ring muscle up.
Uh, no, the log must look right.
No log muscle up was with the, oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Log.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Log muscle up.
Um, and then back down thruster and, uh,
row row.
Yeah.
And so that went pretty well.
Did it?
I thought it was fine,
but like we talked last night,
that log muscle-up ate people up.
Yeah.
Once again, like over-programmed.
I mean,
six people on the men's side and
five people on the women's
side finished the event?
Well, I think the cap was short for sure.
Right.
So either figure out your
time caps or Laura,
if you're limited by time slots,
then you got to shorten the reps.
I don't know.
Maybe you do.
Twenty-five thrusters and
twenty-five log muscle ups.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
I, when Emmett's hall didn't really break.
And got capped as she was
running to the finish line
in the first heat.
And we didn't have a single finisher.
I was like, this is going to be rough.
Yeah.
And we,
and we didn't what we got three
women finished.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Four.
No,
I think we got five Alex and then four
in the next heat.
So five finished.
Cause he had out of heat one,
four people in heat too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tia, Laura, Gabby.
They were all from Alex.
Alex finished and he won.
Oh,
you've moved on to number five with the
Sear Dumbo?
No, no, no.
Oh.
I'm on event four.
I'm just looking at the leaderboard now.
Okay, yeah.
Alex finished.
He had five finish.
Right.
Alex finished and he won.
Alex Kazan, Ariel Lowen, Laura Horvat,
and Tia.
Yeah.
In that reverse order.
Bruce,
this is what I said to her last night,
and it flew over like a lead balloon,
so you can try today.
But I do agree.
The caps were way short.
You're not going to... Maybe.
I don't know.
I mean,
that argument is... That's like...
You programming for Tia is only...
not good for the sport at
all tia is in a world of
her own and it's no uh lynn
says caps were aggressive
today all around yeah they
were yeah the next event
didn't have hardly any
finishers at all so well if
tia's not good for the
sport let's not cater to
her and program around her
T didn't win today.
Did she, she won the first event.
She won this event.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then on the men's side, uh,
the top five were, uh,
Ricky Gerard finished first
with Dallin pepper.
Second, uh, Jeff Adler, third, Jay Crouch,
fourth, and Yona Koski fifth.
Yona make an appearance this weekend.
Finally.
Yeah.
So this was the one you
thought Heinrich would do
well on being taller, bigger hands.
I was hoping you wouldn't bring that up.
Well, my two like big things were,
were I have lining and Sprague's,
but both taller athletes
not being good on that log muscle up.
Um, and I was actually pretty,
I was pretty surprised with James.
And then Hopper not improving.
I, you know,
we talked about maybe he got a
hold of one, did some practice.
I had hoped he would have
shored up that weakness a little bit,
but even in his talking had like,
it sounded like he knew
this was still going to be not great.
Um,
Yeah.
On the tailgate party,
they were making fun because, uh,
so the buttery bros were
there for the second event that today,
and they were saying they
tried to talk to him and he
wouldn't talk on camera
before that fourth event,
but he had talked to them
on camera telling him he
wasn't going to talk on camera.
And they're like, he is just a big ham.
He always wants to be on camera,
but he was like pretty
nervous about that first event.
Um,
But yeah, anyway.
Yeah.
I mean, the men's was more exciting.
They all made it to the row, right?
It would have been really
nice if you could have,
if there was a screen where
you could have see the,
like at the marathon row
where you could see the boats traveling,
that would have been cool
because that was the race.
It would have been cool to
see where people were at.
But because on the men's side,
like Adler came out of nowhere, it seemed,
but he may have been ahead
the whole time on the row.
The way they called it was that,
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
So Adler,
Brent was ahead of him and Yona
was ahead of him.
Well,
it was Dillon that like was gaining
on the row.
And I don't think Adler knew
he was coming.
And then Dillon got off,
but like we had no urgency.
Like, oh,
Adler almost caught him in the
finish run.
Yeah.
It was a good race, but you're right.
The cap was pretty aggressive,
unless that's what their intention was,
to show off that this was
for the elite and only a
few elites could finish.
And we don't know the reasoning behind it.
There was something here I
wanted to... Lynn said that
Ricky surprised me,
but I keep underestimating
his athleticism.
I...
You know, talking to Justin,
I know that like rogue is
not the ideal event for Ricky.
Yeah.
He lacks like some of that
top end strength to compete,
but just pure athleticism
and the ability to go dark
at times and make up ground.
And like, I totally do underestimate that.
And I don't know why I keep
doing it this week,
especially in my heat one picks.
Um, but he's been,
he's been phenomenal and
really fun to watch.
Yeah.
He, I mean, he's just, I don't know.
It's hard to like,
keep putting your money on Ricky.
Cause he there's times where
he seems to not,
and I understand he got hurt at the games,
but like seeing, I don't know,
you just get let down a lot.
So it's, it's hard to root for him.
Yeah.
So then in event five on the men's side,
Uh, was our rope climb, seer bell.
Yep.
Uh, devil's press.
Yep.
Uh, I,
it wasn't a surprise to me that
Jason Albert did well.
No.
Um, I figured he would do okay.
Um, and then we had Jeff Adler in second,
Ricky Gerard in third, uh,
Brent Fikowski in fourth
and Dallin pepper in fifth.
Yeah.
And then in sixth,
he did good right before
the devastating news.
Yeah,
Ricky did surpass my expectations in
this one.
Yeah, he handled the dumbbell really well.
I was surprised that most people did.
I couldn't see Emily Rolfe,
but I was watching her
numbers tick on the side
and she seemed her pace was
like outpacing some others.
So I was like,
she must be crushing this dumbbell.
I couldn't see her.
But I would,
I would have liked to seen her
move it because yeah, some of them,
some of them that I thought
would move it really well,
didn't look as fluid as I
thought they would.
And then the people that I
thought might struggle looked great.
This was the start of the
Laura show on the women's
side where Laura came back.
She took the win, Tia second,
and then everybody else capped.
Gabby was in third, Emma Tall in fourth,
and Brooke Wells in fifth.
Emma Tall is quietly having
a pretty phenomenal weekend.
I feel like Rogue has really
good programming for her.
Yeah, I agree.
It is.
But you still have to show
up and you still have to perform.
And she's sitting in fourth
place at the end of day three or day two,
which is pretty, pretty,
pretty cool for her.
And she gets to do it in Europe,
which is pretty cool.
Right.
Brooke Wells took fifth in that one.
And then Emily took sixth.
That's what I'm saying.
She must have been moving
that Dumbo way better than I expected.
I wish I would have been able to see her.
I need to get the stream so I can view it.
I looked at her Instagram
from last night and she
posted her back squatting
and said that this right
here is my proudest moment.
And it's because she,
I know she's been working on strength.
She's been pounding and
pounding strength for a long time.
And it, and it finally,
she got an eleventh place in that,
but that was her proudest moment.
Yeah.
And that back Scott workout.
I mean, the eleventh is excellent in that,
in this field of very, very strong women,
like to hold your own in
that is excellent.
Um,
Lynn says surprise Kazan wasn't in the
lead for the dumbbell workout.
I completely agree.
I had her picked for heat one.
Um, and I, and I paid for that.
She,
so she didn't look as fluid as I would
have expected on the dumbbell.
Um, I don't,
I don't know that I thought
she would win it.
because she's like you
that's a laura workout
right like heavy dumbbell
and laura's excellent at
rope climbs it's if it
would have been legless
then I think gazan has a
better shot or emma or emma
true um yeah I don't know I
think like alex came out of nowhere
She jumps from like twenty
fifth to fifth at the games
and all these expectations
just kind of like offloaded onto her.
Right.
Absolutely.
And and that's got to be a
lot to deal with moving forward.
And I think that's what she
has to work on.
It's not the physical stuff.
It's the mental stuff of
carrying that expectation.
Like Tia doesn't care what you think.
Of her or what you expect from her.
She's just going to go do her thing.
Well,
she's extremely confident in her
fitness to know that she's going to win.
But go back and watch the
sixteen behind the scenes.
She was not right.
Right.
Like you've got to get past that moment.
Yep.
And I think that's where
Gazan is sitting right now.
And probably a few other people, too,
like and some people get
over that hump and some people don't.
So if we move on to event six,
which was the duel,
I do want an overarching statement.
And I watched Siobhan and I
listened to Chase.
It was like he read my mind
and he was saying the words
that I was thinking.
I love the way that these
duels work at Rogue, these head-to-heads.
Yeah.
But they've got to execute it better.
The sitting and waiting,
the event takes thirty
eight seconds and then you
have to wait fifteen
minutes for the next heat.
It is ridiculous the amount
of time you have to wait in
between while they calculate.
And I get that they have protests.
They have appeals.
They have to deal with all
that stuff before you can
move to the next level.
But his suggestion, which is all him,
I'm just copying it now,
is you do round one of the
women and then you take
them off and you do the calculations.
Then you do round one of the men.
Oh, yeah, that'd be excellent.
And while they're calculating,
you're doing the men.
Because as he said in this event,
all you had to do is put
some plates on the sled and
maybe some plates on the
thing you lift up the stairs.
And then you let them go.
And then when they're done, they go off.
You take those plates back off.
You let the women go round two.
And then when they go off,
then the men go round two.
And at least it's more action,
less waiting.
Yeah.
Yeah,
that'd be a good compromise for that.
They're not my favorite event to watch.
Maybe it's because of the waiting,
although even I didn't
watch it until I got home
from the gym and I was able
to fast forward.
And even still, I was just meh about it,
even being able to fast
forward right to this.
So Andrew says can't do that.
Why can't you do that?
I mean, you have enough people out there,
equipment team,
and have a couple dollies
or whatever you need out
there and just leave the –
I probably wouldn't change
the weights on that up and over,
the deadlift thing,
but leave the other five
sitting at the end or two on one side.
It's way faster than it
takes to calculate for
twenty minutes while we're waiting.
If you can't do it,
then don't do these anymore.
You can do it.
He's saying the weight they moved.
I understand that, Andrew.
I'm not saying add weight to it.
I think they should have been pulled down,
set to the side,
and brought in the men's
and set up there.
That's going to take,
even if that takes two or three minutes,
cool.
Way better than.
Fifteen minutes to recalculate.
This for the duel to take hours.
For a thirty second event.
Is just ridiculous.
Right.
We agree Carolyn.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
I'm saying fill in the gaps.
Keep the action moving with the men.
Or something else.
But it is.
It is it.
It's excruciating.
Last year was even worse.
They were actually faster this year,
but last year was really, really bad.
I didn't even pay attention
when I was fast-forwarding
how long it was,
but I feel like it had to
have been at least twelve minutes.
There were some pretty long
stretches that I was fast-forwarding.
I'll go back and watch a
replay and do a stopwatch.
It's not fast.
And again, last year was way, way worse.
Yeah, I'm not sure it was twenty,
but I could totally see
fifteen minutes and fifteen
minutes is too long to wait
for a thirty six five second event.
Yeah,
I remember I remember there being
technical issues with like
the button that they pushed or whatever,
just things like that.
Man,
you got to find something that's cut
and dry like then you got
to pick the right event to
to be able to do these.
Right.
Again,
the other thing that if you
alternated the men and the women,
it actually decreases the recovery time.
And as Chase put it,
it adds an element of
fitness to this overall.
It's not just a sprint.
It's a sprint and recovery event.
See, I like that more.
Yeah.
And Carolyn said it, you know, in person,
it was fun to watch.
But yeah.
But anyway,
then we this is where we had all of the
This is where we had the two
incidents of injury.
But at the end of the day,
Laura kept getting better
heat after heat after heat.
And she ended up winning this event.
Emma Tall looked awesome.
Again, she had a great day two.
She took second.
Danielle Brandon took third.
Dana Peran, kudos to her.
For a smaller athlete, she killed it.
Well,
she's going to have high power output.
But getting over that hay
bale could not have been
the easiest for her.
And if you know about her ankle injury.
I was wondering that.
Yeah.
Jumping and landing on it for sure.
Yeah.
Like that was pretty amazing.
And then Paige Demenza, no surprise.
She always does well in
these more athletic style events.
Um, that becomes more cardio endurance.
You want them relaxed so
they can replicate it.
The times not become slower,
the longer it goes.
I don't think you're cutting
that much time off of it.
It's just a,
it's only going to be a couple
of minutes if you actually
put the men in between the women.
Um,
Carolyn says you can be
small and good at the overs.
You can be,
and Dana showed that you could be,
but that is,
I think it's more of an outlier.
If you look at the rest of the field, they,
they were pretty tall,
much the taller athletes.
Right.
But super psyched to see
Dana get a top five finish that had,
that has to be awesome for
her getting into the queue,
getting the top five finish.
So cool.
I loved Haley's skirt on that event.
I thought she looked so cute out there.
You never see.
So like I saw her walk out and I'm like,
oh, that's cute outfit.
Cause it's like something
I'm used to wearing for
golf or tennis or anything like that.
And I don't think about that stuff.
Like you just don't,
you don't always look.
I mean,
we were always looking at these ladies,
but I thought it was really cute.
Cause there's not a lot of
events that you could
probably get away with that.
it's funny because I was
watching the tailgate party
and she came out and I think,
I think it was Annie.
She was, Ooh, I love that skirt.
Yeah.
Like, and she couldn't get over it.
Like she was all into it.
Um, so yeah.
Um, it, it,
Bring in fashion, you know?
Yeah.
It seemed totally a Haley move.
It was, it was cute.
Have you, and this is kind of off topic,
but Adidas is coming full.
Yeah.
Full load at CrossFit,
especially in Europe.
Like a lot of the athletes
are now wearing Adidas.
It's either tier or Adidas.
Yep.
And then you have that
European group that are Nike, but.
And then a couple Puma.
Yeah.
couple puma yeah but yeah uh
adidas is hey haley's must
have signed with them
because that skirt was an
adidas skirt it's a good
way to showcase it it is I
mean they're probably gonna
get some money out of that
one and it was talked about
and it's still getting
talked about I loved it
Um, so yeah, that was, that was crazy.
And I, and I actually,
I love the look of the Adidas shoes.
I've never worn a pair of
Adidas in my life,
but I've gone onto their site to look,
I just can't afford full
price shoes right now.
Yeah.
But it is, uh,
I really like the looks of their shoes.
I,
I just don't know if they're wide enough
for me.
Yeah.
Like I need that wide toe box.
So yeah.
uh and then on the men's
side this was the gee show
from start to finish it really was
And again,
he looked majestic during this event.
The way he got over the hay bale.
The way he ran.
The way he went up to the
top of that thing so
quickly with the hops.
He was good.
Fikowski, not done yet.
Kept with Guy a lot in that final.
Yeah, Tilly.
And that's the way these duels work.
You cannot have a mistake.
You just can't trip.
Which you said there was
some issue with...
finishing that deadlift where they set it.
Yeah.
So people got ten second
penalties for not sitting there.
I don't even know what you
call that apparatus.
But if you didn't get it
completely over the red
tape on the top box,
you got a ten second penalty.
So that's what we saw.
It affected Danny Spiegel in
the first round and a few other athletes.
And it was supposedly a safety issue,
so it didn't topple back down the steps.
makes perfect sense I
wouldn't even really
thought about that I think
I noticed tape but I didn't
think about that because
you could see people going
from like the second step
with it not far back um but
yeah you you really and I
think that cost people
where where they got it and
that's probably why people
are falling to their knee
or trying to slide it
before they hit the buzzer
um yeah I think people got
penalties too for not
getting onto the top box
before hitting the buzzer
So that was also another thing.
But the other thing I wanted
to bring up is in the tailgate party,
Annie and Chyna were
talking about that they
actually love this format
because the first few rounds,
you play it safe so you
don't make a mistake.
And then there's a point
where you're not going to fall that far.
And because of that,
you can take risks if you're not
Like if you're Fikowski and
you're going up against Guy
and you know you don't have the talent,
that's when you can take
the risk because the worst
that's going to happen is
you fall to second.
Right.
Right.
So it's worth the risk at that moment.
Yeah.
And I love the way that they
kind of talked about that,
that that gives you that in
this moment that you don't
get in other events that
don't have the elimination style.
But like, Annie's like, yeah,
I would have played it safe
up until maybe ten top ten.
And then that's when you have to decide,
do I need to, like,
go for it or and then top five?
She goes, definitely.
That's when you go for it.
Right.
So.
Yeah.
So that was that Guy Brent, Jake Crouch,
Pat Vellner and James
Sprague were your top five in that event.
So, James,
did he only get the penalty in
that last round?
Yeah.
Oh.
So,
the overall standings at this point for
the men are Jeff Adler in first,
Ricky Garrard in second,
Dallin Pepper in third,
Brent Fikowski in fourth,
Jason Hopper in fifth.
If you're Brent Fikowski,
you've had three games
fourth place finishes.
You're going into the final
day of Rogue and you're in fourth.
And you're only ten points
behind Dallin Pepper.
And what's your mindset
going into that final day?
I don't know.
I feel like Brent sometimes
blows it on the last day.
So I feel like he can't get
ahead of himself.
It's each event.
What do we got?
Go over the workouts,
see if they're good for him.
What we got lined up for tomorrow.
Let's go down with the,
let's go to the leaderboard on the women.
Yeah.
Surprise, surprise to you too.
Me still in first.
Yeah.
Laura Horvath is in second.
Yeah.
A fifty five point
difference at this point.
Gabby McGowan is still in third.
Pending on what news we get for him.
For them.
Emma tall is in fourth.
Ariel Lowen is in fifth.
And Alex Kazan is actually tied in points.
But in sixth.
Okay.
in seventh mano anganese
who's having a great she's
doing great quietly yeah
having a great great
weekend yeah well I'm still
not doing good in heat one
um carolyn says they
haven't announced a third
but the two announced are
great for brent and I know
the first one is gondola
which is the horizontal board.
Yep.
So we got skier, GHD pegboard, skier,
GHD pegboard.
So like two rounds, but decreasing.
Great on the skier.
Yeah.
And I think he's got a GHDs.
Yeah.
That one will be good for him.
Um,
who else you got for that one on men's
side?
I like Ricky.
I have, that's a pretty good,
I like that guess.
I have Pat for it.
Yeah.
I can see Pat in that too.
Um, I actually, it, it, it's long.
If it wasn't long,
I could see Guy doing well,
but it's too long.
Yeah, I agree too long.
I think he's good at the elements.
It's his overall stamina to
get through it.
Yeah.
Yeah, three.
It's like, oh, so it's three rounds.
Sixty, forty, twenty.
Yeah, that is pretty long.
And then Laura is going to crush her,
right?
Another Laura and Tia will
both be up there.
Yeah, Laura.
And he went up.
The prop bet is her versus the field.
Well, and that's even against men.
No.
Oh, it's not.
Her against women, I think, is all.
That's usually what her versus the field.
No, it says Laura versus field.
Will any male or female beat
Laura on gondola?
Oh, I read that wrong.
I need to take a look at that.
Yeah.
I'd have to do some
calculations there on
Skierg to see if she can maintain.
Because I would say no.
Typically, the men,
even with the eighty percent kills,
the men can still outpush the women.
But she is incredible on machines.
But my inclination would to
lead to no on that against men.
Could be another event.
We got, oh,
we got another sealed sear dumbbell.
We got double unders, sear dumbbell,
overhead walking lunge and
handstand walk.
Three rounds.
This is what we call the
Carolyn Prevost workout,
the heavy double unders.
That's what this show
affectionately calls the
Carolyn Prevost workout.
The tester of the rogue events told rogue,
no,
I'm not testing this one because
you're not going to get any good data.
Yeah.
Just have somebody test a
hundred double unders, add that time in.
I'll test the other two.
I'll bike real quick or
something for that minute
or whatever it's supposed to take.
Yeah.
Um, gosh, see, that's,
that seems like a great Brent workout.
That is a, that's an execution type thing.
I only,
I just have this vision in my head of him,
like doing the lunge at the end of the,
like on the last workout of the day,
dropping the barbell or the,
the dumbbell on a lunge at
the end of the games.
And he doesn't usually do that.
And he,
but he's really good and calculated it.
Handstand walking,
making sure that he can do it generally.
Uh,
I agree, Carolyn.
I agree.
I think he's going to do awesome.
He does great overhead lunges,
but he always at the end of
the games always seems to
drop when you don't think he's going to.
He has made some mistakes on
handstand walks in the past.
I mean,
do we think it's going to be a
handstand walk workout?
It's a fifty foot.
it's fifty foot well it's a
hundred feet I'm get is it
fifty feet unbroken like a
down back I don't know that
detail I I can't imagine
it's a hundred foot
unbroken not at this point
of the weekend right um but
finishing with that once you're fatigued
The speed on that,
it's tough to bet against Danielle,
but there's a lot of work
to be done before you handstand walk,
so I don't know.
Heat One App has Tia as the top pick.
She's like the top pick for everything.
Yeah,
I feel like some people just picked
her for everything even
before they released workouts.
Tia's not fast on her hands,
but there's a lot of other work.
Yes, there's a lot of other work here.
She'll do great.
She'll be top three.
So she's a safe enough bet.
Well,
if Haley hasn't fixed her double under,
you can't pick her.
That would be not... I think
Ariel will do well.
She's great on her hands.
She's consistent on her doubles.
She's getting stronger every year.
Um,
I think the overhead lunch will be fine.
Yeah.
Brooke should do well on it.
I think that's it.
So, and then I just saw Carolyn's,
there's a lot of great
handstand walkers in the field,
but I think it's the other
elements like Haley is not,
unless she's fixed her
double unders Danielle.
I mean,
Sure.
The, the dumbbell scares me with her.
I think she'll be okay for that.
I think she's a pretty good lunger.
Why does she drop a squat
like that all the time?
Like is her back acting up?
Is her, is it nerves?
Is it, I don't know.
I'm a great lunger and I
have no back squat strength
and it really hurts my back.
So maybe she has something like I do.
I don't know.
I'm a great back squatter
and I can't lunge for shit.
So there you go.
Not, not the same.
Yeah, I guess.
Um, yeah.
And what,
what are those heavy double
owners going to do your shoulder fatigue?
So this workout would wreck
me for handstand walking.
I just know like some of those girls,
it doesn't matter how fatigued they get,
even holding overhead,
they're able to kick up and walk good,
especially people like Danielle.
And I mean, I would say even Haley,
I just don't know that she
can hold her own on the double unders.
I think,
I think both Brooke and Danielle
will be very good at this event.
My pick is Ariel.
Good pick.
I think Jeff Adler's been
just so consistent.
I'm going to go with Adler
on the men's side.
It doesn't seem like a bad
rookie workout either.
Or Brent.
I'm going to go with Justin Medeiros.
I have no faith in him at this point.
Yeah, I know.
I'm not saying you're wrong.
I'm just,
and this could be one of his good events.
Exactly right.
There's always one that he comes out and,
and it tends to be
handstand walking or
handstand pushups that he finishes high.
And what did he finish in
the wall walk back squat?
I don't think he finished as
high as I thought he would just,
I figured with his strength,
squatting strength at this point,
he would do really well.
I don't, I feel like it wasn't.
Yeah.
That was event three.
Event three.
Oh, yeah, with the back squat.
He took second.
Oh, there you go.
So maybe that was his good event.
But I don't know.
This one,
you still have that leg strength.
You're on your hands again.
He's notoriously good for that.
But this just points out, like,
he took second in that event.
Other than that, seventh, eighth, twelfth,
fifteenth, sixteenth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
like what's going on crazy
and then we don't know the
final so yeah I think brent
to your point needs to just
focus he should do well at
these two try to get
himself in a good position
and then we'll see what the
final workout is yeah um I
hope he podiums
It's his last one, last hurrah.
It'd be cool to go out with a podium.
Did you see how excited he
was just finishing second
to Guy on that duel?
It'd be really cool for him
to have that moment to go
out with a podium finish.
Those events are good for him.
As long as he's smart,
and we don't know what the last event is,
but
If you could just get up in there.
Right now Adler has a. Forty
point lead over Gerard.
And then Ricky has a. Thirty
point lead over Pepper.
And Pepper has a ten point
lead over Fikowski.
So.
It's all up in the air.
I mean I think Adler's safe.
I don't see him tanking anything.
And at that.
Even maybe Ricky being safe.
I guess he could.
He could tank something.
Um,
but what sucks for Brent is pepper him
and Dale and are pretty similar,
similar builds.
I just,
I don't know that they're going to
have to have a lot of separation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, the men's fields deep.
Yes.
Guy can play a role.
Vellner can definitely play a role.
Madaris can shoot in there at some point.
Jay Crouch, sure.
I mean,
there's a lot of people who could middle.
Is Jay fast on his hands?
I think he's good on his hands.
I don't know how fast he is on his hands.
Maybe it's Bailey Martin
that's fast on his hands.
I feel like one of them over
there is really fast.
I think you're right.
Okay.
Yeah.
so yeah and then just to
finish up the women's
division and their
placement and we have Tia
with a fifty five point
lead then Laura has a
twenty five point lead over
Gabby but really she has a
lot lead one thirty over Emma tall
Right.
One and two are locked up
and they'll stay that way, in my opinion.
But that, uh, Emma tall area,
low and Alex Kazan for the podium spot,
uh, is separated by fifteen points.
All three of them.
Wow.
That's going to be exciting race tomorrow.
And male agonies is only
fifteen points behind that.
So, uh, any, anybody from seventh,
because of the Gabby McGowan injury,
anybody from seventh to
fourth could be on the podium.
Yep.
That's exciting.
I like that.
What's your pick of those four women,
Mano Anganese, Alex Kazan, Ariel Loewen,
Emma Tall, which one takes third?
I feel like my gut wants to go with Emma,
but I can't picture.
I know she did terrible in
the handstand pushups at Tear Cup.
I don't know how she is
walking on her hands.
But her upper body strength
is clearly good.
She's great at legless rope climbs.
She should do good in Event Seven.
She has massive shoulders.
I know.
Yeah,
but she's not good at handstand pushups.
Yeah, I know.
I'm just saying, when you look at her,
her shoulders are huge.
Yeah.
I think I want to say Emma.
I'm going Ariel.
Yeah.
Carolyn's going Ariel.
Lynn, has Ariel ever won any event?
Well, yeah.
She's won events at the games.
Yeah.
She beat Tia in the Elizabeth Elevated.
Yeah.
Yeah.
uh and she she won the
granite game semi-final a
couple years ago as a whole
thing and I think she had a
couple event wins in that
um but yeah but you don't
have to win events to win
win big prize money it's
true so okay can laura overtake tia
I don't think so.
I there's not.
So the problem with that, even if,
even if Laura wins, which she is capable,
Laura's capable of winning the next,
even three events,
even though we don't know the final,
we'll say,
I don't think there's enough people.
I think it would,
I think it would go one too.
So no,
I think that she can make up some
ground on event eight for sure.
I think because Tia is not
fast on her hands.
Right.
She's not fast.
This is a double under smoothness workout.
Yeah,
but other people can be smooth on
double unders.
That's not a big separator, I don't think,
at this point.
And then gondola could wreak
havoc on anybody.
That is a sideways movement
that nobody really probably trains.
I think T will be fine.
I wouldn't be surprised if they go one,
two in that workout.
Okay.
Uh, Lynn is actually all in on Emma.
So she's starting with you, Jamie,
of course.
Um, and Carolyn says it's not over.
Well, this has been fun.
Totally gutted for Gabby and Heinrich.
Heinrich's one of the nicest
people I've ever met.
So bummed for him because he
really was kind of coming
into his own in Europe and
it was going to be exciting
to see where he's going.
And for Gabby, my gosh,
she was right on the
precipice of greatness.
Yeah.
But it doesn't mean it's over.
It just means it's going to
be an eighteen month delay.
I know,
but that seems to be so hard to
work your way back up.
I mean, Chelsea looks great,
so it's totally doable.
But yeah, I mean, Chelsea's PR and stuff.
I know.
And it's been cool to kind
of follow her journey.
So we know about what this
recovery is like and you
can come back from it.
And if you don't follow
Chelsea Nicholas on Instagram,
follow her because she has
ruptured her Achilles at
the Games two years ago.
She is back.
She is killing it.
She is PR-ing all of her lifts now.
She has full ankle flexion again.
It's super, super awesome.
So it's a great indicator of
what the recovery can be
like for athletes who do this.
Science has come so far in a
short amount of time.
Yeah.
Just from the Julie Foucher
rupture to where we are
today is like light years.
So make sure you check that
out because we're going to
be rooting for Gabby and
Heinrich to make full
recoveries for sure.
Yeah.
And then just the gondola piece,
Tia will be faster on GHD,
but Laura will be better on SkiErg.
And Tia is athletic.
And if I'm not wrong,
Proven has a horizontal pegboard.
I don't know.
That would not surprise me at all.
with that it's been fun
everybody we'll be back
we'll do our normal eight
o'clock show tomorrow night
it'll be just jamie and I
because I think it'll be
like three in the morning
in scotland and we don't
expect carolyn to jump on
or be in the chat for that
one but we'll just do our
normal time tomorrow night
we'll recap the weekend uh
we'll try to get some info
on desert city uh to see
how those athletes are doing
plus anything and everything
else that happens in the CrossFit space.
We'll be there to talk about it.
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