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Gary: [00:00:00] All right, Peter, question of the
Wide: the day. Yeah, yeah
Gary: Yeah. Is
Peter: ketchup...
Gary: of all, do you say ketchup or
Wide: Ketchup. Ketchup. Catch.
Peter: Katch. Katch. I
Gary: I think it's spelled like
Wide: catch K-
it's K-E-T- Yeah. C-H. Yeah, Yes,
Gary: how you say it. All right. I say
Wide: Yeah. I say ketchup too. Mm-hmm. So we'll go with ketchup. Okay. Katsup. Kets-
Gary: I think some people spell it
Peter: spell it C-A-T- I,
I- ... S-U-P. I say
Wide: katsup all the time.
okay.
Gary: okay. So is
Wide: ketchup- Mm-hmm ... a gateway drug?
Gary: Go.
Wide: Yes.
Yeah.
Peter: Right? It's the gateway drug of
Wide: condiments. Right. For sure.
And why?
It's 'cause you're used to, like, dredging your dry chicken in something Yeah or, like, eggs. Yeah. And you
need
Peter: type of, like, liquid, like, sweetener that's mild.
Gary: So that's the key word, I think. So I've... Like, I don't think I've ever purposely eaten ketchup.
Wide: Yeah.
Like,
I don't,
Gary: I don't... Like, since... When I was a kid, I was real picky. Ketchup's gross. I n- I never had it. Yeah. Everybody has it.
Yeah. I think I've accidentally had it a couple times on, like, s- if a burger came that way
Wide: something. And then you're like, "Ugh."
Gary: But I didn't, like, order it. Yeah. So is it
Wide: sweet?
Peter: M- I ...Yes.
Wide: I mean, comparatively-
It has a lot of [00:01:00] sugar, right?
M- n- yeah,
Peter: a lot is relative. I would say ... So it's interesting. People have different
Wide: opinions on this. This is actually like a little bit of a hot topic for some people. I think ketchup is a reasonable substitution for
Peter: like what is like
Wide: dressings to put on things to
Peter: it taste better.
Mm-hmm. It doesn't have a lot comparatively to like a, like
a, like a full fat
Wide: dressing. Yeah. I think ... I don't know if I'm wrong, but I think it might be 20 calories per
tablespoon.
Peter: That's a- I might be wrong.
Gary: yeah, like my
Peter: yeah,
Wide: I'm gonna ask
Peter: my robot. So- How
Wide: many... How much
sugar
Gary: is in a tablespoon
Wide: of ketchup?
And how many calories?
Gary: And how many calories?
Wide: Yeah ...
Gary: Because, like, a tablespoon's reasonable for, like, a burger, right? That would be, like- Right ... about that. Or how much is in one of those little white things that,
that you...
people
Peter: you- Oh, that's like, that's Like, two tablespoons. Yeah. Yeah.
Gary: All right. So one tablespoon,
Wide: 20 calories, four grams of
sugar.
Peter: See? That's not bad.
Gary: That's not bad. There's just a
teaspoon of sugar.
Wide: I'm aware of what it [00:02:00] is. Yeah.
Peter: But it's not
Wide: bad-
in comparison- But do
you think people really
Peter: only eat,
like, one
Wide: tablespoon? No, you prob- I mean, people are, like- No, you probably eat
Gary: two
like, with,
Wide: fries or whatever.
you
Peter: You probably eat
two
or
three.
So
Wide: get, like- So it's probably, like, 40 60-
eight grams of
Gary: How many
grams of sugar should you get a day?
Wide: I don't,
Peter: I don't like, that argument. I
Wide: think that that's
Peter: nonsense,
so-
so- I dare, I dare you?
Yeah.
Gary: I Just asked you an, a, a
question. You just told me I was
Wide: I'm stupid. It's not... Yeah. that's
Peter: told me I'm stupid.
It's not... Yeah, it is stupid. It's a
Wide: stupid question.
Gary: You can't tell
Peter: me
Wide: stupid.
It
Peter: It should really just
Wide: be how many,
like, calories are you eating per day. Yeah. Am I overeating calories?
That's the number
one concern. If
Peter: you're, like, close- Uh-
Wide: to, If you're pre-diabetic- Yeah ... then we can have this conversation that's a bit more
nuanced. I
mean, you should
Peter: definitely probably
Wide: eat less
simple sugars, which means
Peter: should probably have less
Wide: ketchup.
Mm-hmm. Eat more fruits and
vegetables. So the reason
Gary: I asked it the way I asked
Wide: is- Yeah ... a gateway drug,
Gary: because I think we often give it. to children starting at a very,
Peter: very very young age. goes on, like, all their
Wide: Dino
Peter: Nuggets.
Right.
Wide: And then I feel like then... That's right,
Gary: goes on like, all the Dino Nuggets.
Right. And then I feel like then... Yes, right, right, on The Dino Nuggets. On, like,
everything, right?
Wide: It goes on everything. It
Peter: It goes on everything to make things
Gary: taste better. Yeah, 'cause it just- Right?
Wide: it just does.
Peter: the idea. It, it
Wide: [00:03:00] lubes it up, so it slides down. So
Peter: slides down. So
Gary: so then they get used to
having that kind of thing for like, everything
Yeah. Which means
Wide: forward
Peter: you need
sauces
for everything
sauces
for everything-
100%. Like sweet-
Gary: Sweetness for everything. What yeah. yeah. I don't- I
Peter: agree
Gary: with that.
Wide: with that. I feel like it
opens the door- And it's a
mild one ... for like bad, like,
Gary: other habits
Wide: going
forward. Yeah, because then what's next?
Like,
Peter: Chick-fil-A sauce. Yeah, Skittles. Or like full-fledged- ...
Wide: sugary barbecue
sauce,
Peter: right?
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And then
like ... So
Wide: I think Chick-fil-A sauce is
Peter: actually the worst version of all
sauces,
Wide: and it tastes the best, and it's like,
it's just, it's a pure amalgamation of, of junk food. Sheltered.
It's
Peter: so bad.
Wide: I'm pretty sure it's, like, 160
calories per two tablespoons.
Gary: Let's do the same
thing for Chick-fil-A
Peter: It's so
Wide: horrendous
for you.
Gary: for you For those
who are not
Peter: watching
Wide: on- It's just,
Gary: That's for those who are not watching on
YouTube- Yes ... and they're just listening to
Wide: this. It's- I'm talking to my
Peter: listening to this. I'm talking to my phone. That's right. He's talking to
a chicken tender.
Gary: right. One tablespoon of Chick-fil-A sauce. Yeah.
70 calories. Yeah,
Three grams of sugar. That's not horrible.
Wide: No, no,
'cause it's, 'cause [00:04:00] it's really fatty. No. Right? So- So look
Peter: at the calories.
How
much
Gary: fat is in
Peter: that
Gary: And again, this is one tablespoon.
Like, people have more
Peter: than
that,
typically.
Correct. They have at least two. That's why I said 160. Seven
Gary: grams
of fat.
Wide: Right. Yeah. So seven, so
Peter: seven, so
seven
Wide: times 9 is 63,
Gary: so it's- A Chick-fil-A sauce
Wide: packet- Mm-hmm
Gary: is two tablespoons, so it's 13 grams of fat and 140 calories.
Peter: Yeah. so
so Chick-fil-A sauce is
bas- Why did you know that?
Wide: What? Why did you know that? Because
Gary: Did you look it up
Peter: he look it up? Do your
Gary: son likes Chick-fil-A
Wide: Be- because of course he does.
Gary: You're giving him
drugs.
Peter: drugs ...it's the most sauce of all the
Wide: sauces.
Gary: I don't
think I've ever had that one. it's
Wide: amazing.
Peter: Me. Oh, I think I
have. I think
Wide: I've dipped,
Gary: like, a nugget in it. Do people dip their
Wide: Yeah, chicken
Peter: yeah. It's, it's ridiculously
tasty.
Wide: Yeah. And
Peter: as such,
it's
the most wanted, and it- Yeah
and they literally package it and sell it, so Anyways, I It's
Wide: not the food
oftentimes that's,
Peter: that's the
culprit
Wide: as much
Peter: as all the bullshit-
Yeah
that we put
on everything.
Gary: Do you know why
ketchup was
Wide: originally- [00:05:00]
Peter: No idea ... created? Because
they had extra
tomatoes that would
go to waste,
Wide: so
they smashed them up and
No
fucking made a sauce
Peter: it?
Wide: of,
it? No.
Peter: Nope. So
Gary: back
prior
to... this
is, like, useless knowledge that I know because I read, like, a
Peter: Oh, you didn't look this up for this podcast? No.
Oh, okay. No,
Gary: no. I just happen to know this. Oh. I think I learned this
actually
Peter: on
Gary: a History Channel documentary- Okay
about ... It's called, like
I think it was called-
The food that built
America
Peter: Ketchup
Wide: Well,
Gary: was like that. was a documentary series,
Peter: and
then they
Gary: talk about all
these famous... So Heinz
was like, Yeah ... foo- like, you know, a company that's been around forever.
Wide: Mm-hmm.
Gary: Hershey. You know, all
Peter: these
Gary: the
food that
built America. Kellogg's and whatever,
Wide: right?
Gary: And so
Peter: anyway,
they
were talking about
Gary: ketchup and where it came from, and basically in the time before refrigeration was really commonplace in people's
Wide: homes-
Yeah
Gary: and/or during like m- the
depressionary years
or things like where con- like, people were struggling, that it was very common to
buy, either have meat go
rancid- Mm-hmm
or,
Wide: [00:06:00] or to buy
rancid meat because it
Gary: cheap. like so you would go
to the
market- Jesus ...and the meat
was starting to get rancid. Yeah. But you
could get it for so it was a, a, like a poor family could buy
Wide: Yeah. I mean, that's literally the
Peter: as Market Basket- today. It's the manager's
Wide: so
then like,
Gary: the butchers or whatever were like- "Okay, nobody wants to freaking
Wide: eat rancid meat." Yeah,
But-
Peter: Give us sauce then
Gary: if
we give them this thing that
masks the flavor- of, like, a bad
meat that's going
Peter: totally
Gary: Yeah, totally ... then they- then
then they'll eat it, and
we can sell this product. we don't have to throw it
Wide: away. Awesome.
Gary: And so
Peter: isn't that what, isn't
that what, isn't that what curry
is? I don't know That pretty s-
Wide: I'm pretty sure. Is that what it is? Oh my God,
Peter: I think I just had a
revelation
Gary: The reason that Indian food
Wide: is
Gary: spicy?
No,
that's enough. I feel
like we're
probably-
Wide: Not necessarily Indian ... crossing some sort of line
Peter: of line here. No. Hear me
Wide: Hear me out. Hear me out.
Peter: Hear me
Wide: Hear me out. Hear me out. Do this
Peter: thought experiment.
Let's just,
Gary: I'm thinking about
Wide: about this
Peter: I'm thinking about this right
Gary: now. All
Peter: right.
Wide: So American
food
is- Yeah ...like traditionally
Peter: some
of the blandest
food. Yeah. like
for like,
Wide: you know-
Gary: Because our
technology's too good.
Peter: I
Wide: just think, like-
Peter: I- so but
Wide: then if
Peter: you just think of
like,
like, all the best
food that [00:07:00] I like- Yeah ... is food from, not from this country.
Yeah. got tons
of spices
on it. Yeah. It
re- it's, uh, really aromatic, tastes really good. I love Indian food. I love
Mexican food. I love South American.
But also, if you think of
Wide: just,
Peter: just think where third world countries are or like traditionally like maybe a lo- a
a long time ago
where they- Yeah. didn't have refrigerators, they didn't have like
Wide: technology- Mm-hmm ... to keep food
Peter: good. Yeah. Maybe like all that food
Wide: is that,
Peter: like, has that
much
in it because it helps
Wide: keep food
from tasting rancid. So I
Gary: think maybe
there's
probably an element of truth to th- well, I know.
there is-
some truth to that, but I would say also, if I remember
correctly, back when India was part of like, the British
Wide: colonies- Mm-hmm it
Gary: specifically
sought after because of the
spice
Wide: trade.
And so it maybe there
is a- Mm-hmm
Gary: a
In India? Uh, because of in India, the spices- Mm ... that was like a
Peter: main export. Well,
Wide: spice trade, it was, like- Because
Gary: the spice trade, the, like, so Brit-
the British colonies, like they wanted India to
be
part of the British i- and it
was for a long time.
Mm.
Because the value of the spices, that's what I [00:08:00] I think if I remember my history correctly. So
Wide: I think maybe
Gary: there's
an environmental factor
to, like spices
Wide: really well. We
Peter: it's
Gary: well. Where it's hot. Yeah, like
spices are... So maybe they, because it was such
a
common thing there- Mm ... it also went
Wide: into the spice.
Ooh, that's interesting. You know what another food is nice? I'm sure our very intelligent listeners
will
Peter: listeners Will us know, please,
Wide: Yeah. Like, I don't know. we're just making shit up. just, ooh. For
Gary: the record, we are,
we are spitballing this
Peter: Another, another-
Wide: For sure ...country's food
Peter: that I love is Cambodian
food.
Wide: Yeah. I
Peter: up in Lowell, and Lowell has
a, like, a huge Cambodian population. Yeah. And food's awesome.
Wide: the
Gary: awesome.
Peter: the
Wide: same
reason.
Peter: like spicy. Spicy. Very,
Wide: well not, not
just
Peter: like
hot spice, but just
Wide: very flavorful. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.
Gary: very flavorful.
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Well anyway, if you're giving your ch- kids
ketchup, you're, you're basically
a
Peter: drug dealer. You're part of the problem.
Gary: yeah. You're
Wide: Yeah. You're-
Peter: Yeah. Uh, okay.
Wide: What a way to start.
S- so moving
Peter: on- Yep ...
Gary: to the actual
topic of
the show,
it
Peter: also
Gary: has to do with
children. So I think, well not in a weird way, uh, just to be clear.
Kids are great. The way
I said that sounded kinda creep, kinda creepy. There was kind
Wide: it was Kind of suspicious. Well, because you paused- Yeah.
Peter: and has to do [00:09:00] with
Gary: you. It's gonna get, yeah, This is
gonna get flagged. Yeah. It's about that. Uh-
......we're not involved
in any kind of trade or whatever.
Yeah.
Um, so
Wide: you know, in,
Gary: in the
world
that we work in, specifically sports performance
Peter: and
Wide: training,
Gary: I think a
common
question or confusion that parents will often have around-
uh-
training is, is,
it, is it something that
children should
do?
Like s- r- and at what age
should they start?
Is it safe? You know, there's like a million,
Wide: different
Gary: things, right? So-
Peter: Yeah, what's the
most c- yeah. So what's the most common reason why a parent would
Wide: be
concerned that their kid is too young to train?
Gary: train? Yeah, and so I'm curious to know,
like, g- get your thoughts
on this, And I, I kinda know a little bit
'cause my, my k-
pr- kids have trained
with you for a long period of time.
and we obviously work together
and we do this stuff, and
we
work with, we work with people of all
Peter: ages
Gary: here.
Um, but I think there is some confusion out there
around the, the safety
of it, whether it even matters. Does it matter?
Like, can, can
you have an eight-year-old lifting weights? Is it safe, and does that even help them Uh, in the world of sport, a very, like
[00:10:00] a sport-specific, um, or year-round sport involvement, like people are
playing one sport- instead of multiple
Wide: sports.
Yeah.
Gary: um, is that that You know, I, I think it's funny that
people think, "Oh,
Peter: my kid
Wide: playing
Gary: soccer, or baseball, hockey, whatever, year-round, no problem.
But
lifting a weight would be, like, the worst thing they could ever
Wide: do." Yeah.
You know? Yeah. And so I just
think Yeah ...there's some- some confusion
Gary: around
It so I, I... One, your general thoughts, you know, around, uh,
training for youth
athletes.
Wide: and
Gary: and
Peter: then maybe we
Gary: kinda go through, like, ranges,
like what should be done in
Wide: different
Gary: ranges.
So I, I broke it
down,
you know, five
Wide: eight, eight to
Peter: 11, 12
Gary: and then, like, 15 And older. Okay. You might have different- ranges for that. For sure, yeah. Um,
of, like, what, what is... what,
should they be doing during that What's the focus during those stages? So- ...let's
start with
just what are your general thoughts.
Should
Wide: youth,
uh, children in
general, they
don't
even have to
Gary: be athletes, you
Wide: they don't play a sport- What If we touch upon the
reasons
Peter: why doctors or
Maybe we touch upon the
reasons why doctors or parents would caution their
starting- Yeah ... too [00:11:00] young.
Gary: Yeah. like what, what
Wide: the
common reasons
Gary: why people say
Peter: not
to? Yeah, and so y- like
most
of these
Wide: things, it stems from
Peter: a,
Wide: somewhat
Peter: of
a
valid point.
Like, so the, the
most,
the common one that I hear is, "Will this stunt my
child's
growth?"
Gary: Yeah.
Wide: That's weird. " Will
Peter: my child
stop growing?" What? Where's that come from? Because they
weight train
Wide: train
Peter: So
Wide: comes
Peter: a valid reason
that
Wide: if
you
Peter: catastrophically
fracture like a j- like
a growth
plate
that is close to a joint, like, so, like, in your
tibia,
for instance, right? If you fracture it,
Wide: then you will- The shin
bone ... you... Shin, excuse
Peter: I, said tibia.
Wide: You will s- You will stop growing in that bone, right?
Yeah. So
Peter: like- You
could
so I'm
sure
Wide: there's been a
few
Peter: cases
Wide: in which a kid was training
Peter: really
poorly- Mm-hmm
Wide: and some
moron
Peter: coach caused
Wide: them to do something that they
Peter: should
just not have
done.
Yeah. And
they got a stress
fracture through their growth plate in
one of
their leg
Wide: bones, and the
Peter: kid
stopped growing.
Gary: Yeah.
Peter: And then that [00:12:00] probably
caught n- like, that probably caught
Wide: the news cycle or something
happened that that got into
the general g- zeitgeist
Peter: of the public,
Wide: and then
Peter: that was infinitum forever.
that
that's my guess. I
Wide: want to know the true story. And then
Gary: every
doctor in the world was
Wide: like- And every doctor in the world...
And the same thing
Peter: with,
Like hormone
health for women. The, like, we had the study that showed the thing. Yeah.
Wide: Yeah ... But the data was
Peter: It got into all the news cycles.
The
Wide: fear began.
Peter: Hormones
cause cancer.
Yeah.
Doctors don't prescribe right? It's the same
shit-
Wide: Right
without any
Peter: logic to it. All it takes is,
It takes one. It
Wide: Takes the
Peter: one thing.
Yeah. And so
Wide: my guess is
Peter: that's the case. The reality
is, is
that
Wide: training, regardless of age, when done
Peter: appropriately, that, will not cause
Wide: injury,
Peter: has absolutely nothing
Wide: to
do
Peter: stunting your growth.
Right. What has to do with your growth is your
genetics and your
your nutrition. If you're getting enough nutrition and you have The potential to be tall, just look at your parents. Whatever that soup
mixture
is plus
Wide: nutrition, that equals your height, and that's
Peter: kind of the end of
it.
There's not many more variables
Wide: that go into
that.
Gary: that
Yeah.
Wide: I think it's worth [00:13:00]
Gary: discussing the growth plate a little bit, 'cause I don't think people really even know what that is. I see. They hear it. Yeah. you know, they're just like, "Oh,
Peter: the growth plate."
Gary: wanna- It
sounds like
Wide: there's
Peter: Yeah, sure. Do
you want to describe
Gary: There's...
Wide: You can't? You
want me
Peter: try?
You want to
Wide: try? Okay. I probably
should.
Gary: I'm the
smarter of
Wide: two. That's true. You know what I mean? Yeah, you give
Peter: it a
go. Right.
Wide: Yeah, yeah. I'll fumble the words.
Gary: That's what people say. That's true. That's what I'm
Peter: around. You're the
Wide: brains of the organization.
That's,
Gary: to your operation. that's That's the, that's the w- the word on
the
Peter: on the street- Yep Is
Gary: that I'm the brains.
Peter: it... Well, I mean, it
Wide: tracks, right? And you're, you are just the brawn. I'm just the stupid meathead dummy. Yeah. Meathead dummy. Yeah.
Gary: Yeah. I, I'll give my best
version, and then you can
fill in the blanks
Wide: maybe. Okay.
Gary: So our long
bones-
Mm-hmm ... so the bones like our femur, our tibia- Mm-hmm ... our humerus, so our thigh bone, our shin bone, our Arm bones ... like the long, the bones
that form most
of our
Wide: limbs. Yeah. at
the
Gary: ends of those bones, there's a
section of the bone that stays
not ossified, meaning it's not bone, like hard bone.
Peter: not closed yet.
Gary: Until you get to a
certain age, yeah. So it stays open. It's kinda spongy. Mm-hmm. It's still bone. Mm-hmm ... but it hasn't
[00:14:00] fully
formed into solid bone that will never,
uh, lengthen
Wide: again.
Peter: like your adult bones, like us.
Gary: Correct.
Like
all those bones-
Wide: we will not- like
Peter: our growth plates are
Gary: they're completely full of- Yeah ... full bone. Yeah. Whereas when we're younger,
that section at the very
end
of the bones stays as sp- spongy material
because it continues to lengthen. That's where It's allowed to, to
Wide: Imagine... I almost think of it as like, you know like you, if you
Peter: watch those nature documentaries where, you
know, volcanoes are under the water, and like you see like the, the magma- coming up from the ground? It's kinda like
that, right? Like as like-
Who said, who said,
you were dumb?
Gary: As, As, the
Peter: as, the lava is
coming out,
you slowly see the rock
forming. Yeah. It's kinda
Wide: same
Peter: Yeah. Right? Bone literally grows from that plate-
Yeah, absolutely ...and it causes outward growth,
and then- so that's
the
lengthening
Gary: And so that's what
Peter: Is there anything that would
Gary: disrupt that?
so if
you
Peter: were to get any kind of disruption
Gary: to essentially
Wide: blood
Gary: flow
to
that, so if you fracture it, obviously that, that, changes its ability to do what you just described. If you
artificially
increase
or decrease blood flow to that area-
you can
also have an effect. It would
Peter: have to be
Gary: [00:15:00] sustained over
Wide: time. Yeah. It's I think, one
misconception in our
world is, "Don't do anything
Gary: near a
growth
plate," like an ultrasound or something. That one time is gonna screw the kid up, where it's
like, are you serious? You think, like, a little
bit of blood flow to a growth plate one time is gonna be... But
Peter: anyway,
Gary: so so anything that can artificially increase or, you
know, or decrease blood
flow to the area for
Wide: su- sustained period of time
Gary: or anything that disrupts the actual-
that part of the
Wide: thing.
Yeah ... can then af-
Gary: you know, affect or, you
know, the growth of the
bone. And so catastrophic injury is one
thing, but there is
a
little bit of
if you, and this is more of a
question for you-
If you overload training at
a young
age- Mm-hmm ......because
many of
Wide: our
tendons,
the ends
Gary: of our, like,
you know,
our muscles form
tendons, the tendons as- attach to the
Wide: bone.
Peter: And that's what what moves the
Gary: bone. and
that's what moves the bone. A lot of
our tendons will attach
towards the end of the bone near
growth plates or, and/or
on
the
Wide: plate.
Mm-hmm.
Gary: and so we've, you
Peter: you,
Gary: your kids may have had something like, uh, something called an
apophysitis, like a, like a [00:16:00] Sever's disease or Osgood-Schlatter's disease- Yeah or
these things that
Peter: It's essentially
Wide: an issue
with
Peter: the tendon attachment site. The
Gary: tendon pulling
Peter: away
from
the- It's from the- It's pulling too hard ... it's
Gary: pulling too hard, it's pulling too hard and it's pulling away from the
spongy part
of the bone.
Yep. Uh, because, 'cause it can't,
Wide: or even in, like,
Gary: Little
league elbow- Mm-hmm
uh, with the, like with the ligament that is like the Tommy John ligament. Yeah. it like attaches at or near like a growth plate. Yeah. and
so oftentimes in those
Wide: athletes Yeah, you can send growth
in that arm, right?
Gary: not growth plate out, right? Yeah,
like the- li- the ligament
itself doesn't tear
for those kids, but they, they tear it away from the growth plate because it's spongy. But anyway, is, is there
a
Wide: case to be made
against
Gary: or some thought to put into the type of load that you put on a
younger
skeleton?
Wide: Yeah. Because
Gary: because of that,
it's not
Wide: just- ... with youth specifically? it's not
just, that they
Gary: were doing a deadlift
and like fractured their
Peter: tibia-
Wide: or whatever,
Gary: like just using that
Wide: It's
usually because
of explosive movements,
Peter: like really unsafe
training environments where there's
like
Wide: explosive movements,
Peter: there's so much force- Yeah ... being put through the bone that causes that. But you're
talking about something else that there's
Wide: maybe
Peter: too much [00:17:00] prolonged load across
Wide: tendon.
Gary: I'm wondering. I'm curious. I don't know what
your, your
general thoughts are. You think that, is that a concern? Is that something we factor in when we train like our athletes Is it- Yeah,
Wide: so-
Peter: Yeah.
Wide: Yeah ... let's see
Peter: that's interesting.
Wide: I guess I don't have... Like, I don't know that that's a thing. it might
be. Yeah,
Peter: it might be. I don't have the current knowledge on it-
Wide: Yeah
right, in
Peter: to know if
if that's the
Wide: the case. I don't
Peter: know of any
Wide: situations in
which,
Peter: l-
Wide: w- in which
Peter: and load is properly distributed so that over time
the kid is gaining a natural... Like, look,
when
Wide: you train your body, you
train your tendons. They start at a
very weakened
state
Peter: comparatively to over time.
Wide: your tendons get stronger and thicker and have more strength in
the same way that your muscles and bones do.
Mm-hmm. So
Peter: in a, in an
appropriate
progressive overload?
program that starts at the bottom, meets them
where they're at,
and then slowly progresses them at the rate
Wide: at which
Peter: their body is naturally developing, which requires an
very,
like, specific approach to that particular
kid,
Wide: then that to. me has always been very safe.
Yeah.
Peter: I don't, I don't know a
[00:18:00] situation in which,
Wide: um, a safe,
Peter: progressive program
causes
Wide: these problems. you could see it in
maybe an untrained coach or
somebody who's too aggressive or
doesn't understand
Peter: progression in that, in that way,
and
Wide: then you But that's,
Peter: that's just
Wide: asking for injury in many
more ways than just
that, right?
Peter: Yeah. You
Wide: can, like,
Peter: You
can really, like, injure a back
doing
like that, or you can, like,
Wide: know, get
dislocations in areas if you
Peter: don't know how to
control your body.
So, um, I don't
Wide: know that there's much
Peter: to that argument,
and to be honest, I haven't
Wide: even heard that one. Yeah. Is that something
you've heard?
Peter: I
just make shit up. Oh, okay.
Wide: Yeah.
Peter: you You're just
you're just hypothesizing.
Gary: No, I just, I
know, like I know
that that's a weak spot. I know that's
where the tendons attach to. And
I know things like,
s- you
know, the
things that we mentioned,
Wide: Sjogren's syndrome, exercise- ...
Gary: but those typically
occur, like you said, in explosive- movements. Mm-hmm. Running,
jumping- Yeah ... throwing a ball-
Wide: Yeah ...like,
Peter: whatever.
Gary: But I was wondering out loud-
Wide: much load. Yeah. Yeah, if
Gary: you were to go with
too much load.
But it was also my
way of
just trying to get you to say progressive overload.
Wide: knew it? was coming? Yeah. Yeah,
I was just
Gary: like, "How do I get him to like, say
Wide: it?"
It's like a drinking
game.
Peter: drinking game. How
Wide: [00:19:00] many times will Peter
Peter: say progressive overload? How many
Gary: I
get Peter to say progressive overload? But I think that's,
like, an important, so I would like you to expand upon, like, what that even means. So we talk
about it
Wide: like
it's
Gary: just, like, common knowledge, but for people who are listening- to us or trying to learn how to maybe
make sure that their kids are
being trained
the right way, or
maybe they're training their own kids and they have- a gym basement or something, like, what is
progressive overload? 'Cause I think that's
the
key, right?
Wide: I think
Gary: if the
kid starts at like, a young age, it's fine.
Um, but it should be lo- like,
s- like, load appropriate- meaning, like, they're lifting the weights that
they can manage safely, and then there's, like, a gradual,
this, like-
gradual progression. Yeah, so- So what is
the concept of progressive
Wide: overload?
Peter: Yeah, so let's say you started- Which is
something I never
Gary: thought I'd actually
ask
you to explain.
I'm
Wide: actually- Yeah, you should be ashamed of
Gary: Sandy. I'm actually really
Wide: disappointed
Peter: right
Gary: feel a fraud. This is
awful.
Peter: progressive overload?
And
Wide: So- How many times have you made fun of
Peter: fun of me- Yeah ... for
Wide: trying
Peter: to
Gary: I know.
Peter: overload? I know. I might just,
Gary: like,
quit
the show after this. but
here we go.
Peter, please explain
the concept of progressive overload as it
pertains especially
to
the youth
athlete.
Wide: Yeah, so
it just means that-
Peter: So let's say you
start day one
on training,
and
Wide: then
Peter: [00:20:00] now you have a
plan for the next three months that you
Wide: wanna train this
Peter: young athlete to get ready for
the start of the season.
Wide: Um, you're trying to improve strength.
Peter: You're trying to
improve
their conditioning, their
ability to continue to do work over time.
Um, you're trying to improve their
Wide: tendon strength.
Peter: you're trying to improve their overall fitness explosiveness. There
Wide: There are a
Peter: lot of metrics
that
Wide: you can intentionally target when
Peter: train anybody, especially a young
athlete,
and oftentimes
they're skill-based
Wide: in the beginning because they don't know how to do? anything
yet.
Peter: So the amount of load that
Wide: putting across a young
athlete
that is
Peter: unex- that is
Wide: inexperienced
Peter: is very minimal, and it's mostly
Wide: just
Peter: and
you're trying to, like,
nail their technique.
Wide: Can you do this thing
perfectly
Peter: before I, start to put extra resistance across it? Because otherwise, if they're
not tech-
Wide: if their
technique Is not perfect, then you're- just asking them to get injured, right?
Right.
Peter: So
A, Is
their technique perfect? that
Wide: takes some time.
Peter: that
takes, like, maybe that
takes few
Wide: weeks to a
month to even get them to the
Peter: where they can start, like using
Wide: resistance safely, okay? Mm. Um, and [00:21:00] then
Peter: now, okay, so now,
we're starting to challenge the body. We're challenging the bones, the ligaments, tendons, stuff like, That Uh, well, what's your
strength level today
with perfect
technique,
Wide: and how many reps
can
you do? Let's say we're
Peter: shooting
for 10 at 20 pounds of,
like, a bench press, whatever it may be, just a random thing, okay?
Next
time,
can you do
Wide: 22
Peter: pounds for
Wide: 10 reps
Peter: with perfect
technique? If
Wide: you can, then that means you got
Peter: stronger, right?
But see, notice how, like, I literally only put a very small amount
of weight
onto the one previously, and I waited
a whole
week. Yeah. Well, that, that is, like,
bare minimum requirement to,
like, ask out of the body. Okay,
fine, you can do it. If I asked
him to do five pounds,
then that's
Wide: probably gonna be way too much.
Their technique
Peter: is
probably going
to, like, you
Wide: know,
Peter: like- Yeah ...be impaired. So
Wide: just saying, "What is the
smallest amount
Peter: of load or variable that
I can ask
Wide: to increase the next time- Mm ...in
order to have a training effect,"
Peter: right?
Yeah. If
it's the [00:22:00] same, then no will have
taken place because your body's used to
that.
Right.
Wide: Right. If It's too much, then you're asking for injury or burnout.
And so the,
Peter: the, the magic is with progressive overload, is finding the smallest variable that you
Wide: can increase slowly,
systematically over time
Peter: so that the
Wide: body has the ability
Peter: adapt because the
body adapts a, lot slower
than what we'd like
Gary: Right. It goes the other way
very
Wide: fast
Peter: What's
that?
Gary: It gets weaker very
Wide: fast. Oh.
Gary: gets weaker A lot
faster than it gets
stronger.
Peter: something that we are
Gary: I'm like an expert
at that, yeah. I I like progress- like a
Wide: Regressive overload. I
Peter: overload. a regressive...
Wide: I'm
an expert at regressive.
is that what you're... learning- Let me tell you, Joey
at your current training style? My current training
Gary: is... Actually, I've been
training quite well. Um, but yes, uh, regressive overload is something a lot of people experience. You take, like a week off-
Peter: It's
Gary: and you're just like, "What happened to all
Peter: my
Wide: Do you even lift, bro? Yeah,
Gary: it's like, "What happened?" Yeah. "Where'd all my
muscles
go?" Uh, so good. That was
a perfect... That was a good
explanation of that, and I think that's
an important
concept to understand for people who [00:23:00] are training kids or for parents to make sure that they're watching the
Peter: training- Go slow of their kid.
Gary: Go slow. It's go slow, move slowly. There's no rush
when, they're, especially
when they're younger.
Um,
Peter: you know.
Think
Wide: And even over years. They're
Peter: They're a kid ... like pay
Gary: attention
to what your trainer is doing. You bring your... A lot
of people are bringing their
kids to places, right? They're just part of like maybe they're a baseball player and they go to this baseball
facility where they hit and they throw, But then there's also a piece of it that's,
like,
strength and conditioning, and they get thrown into this group, and they're doing a whole
bunch of stuff, and you look over, and you're like, "Okay, I may not
be an expert, but that doesn't
look like
really good
Wide: for a,
squat."
Very terrible
technique.
Gary: Yeah, horrible technique. Right, like a deadlift where they're all hunched over or something. It's like, you know- know enough to
know that
these
Wide: things need
Gary: be true, is that the technique comes first. Like you have to be doing it safely. the weight doesn't really matter, and then you gradually add
some weight, and then
you gradually add more weight
and so on and so forth.
But
the technique always has to be perfect- and,
or else
you're not ready to Go up in weight. No. You know? And I think the other
side of that is true, too, in the sense that
Wide: it...
Gary: you're doing, say, a
five-pound bench
press and you can do 30 of
Peter: them,
Gary: you're
probably doing
Wide: nothing. It's too light.
Gary: It's too light.
It's too light. [00:24:00] There is such... There is the other side of
Wide: to
Gary: It's
Wide: It's
Peter: It's
Gary: just err on
the side of like make
everything super light because the technique is perfect. It has to be... If your, if your desired
effect is to get stronger- Yeah ... and to have a training effect, then you need to find a,
a, like a weight that's appropriate where you're fatiguing towards the end without
Peter: losing, You know, So the
expertise of a tra-
form ... this is, I think, where a lot of people
get this wrong, is the expertise of a trainer is not what are the exercises
Wide: that he's making me perform. It's what is the specific variables
that. he's tweaking to
make
sure that I'm doing it
safely and
Peter: hard enough to get the training
effect. Because you're absolutely right. You see it all the time.
you are afraid to ask somebody to push
themselves harder than what
they're comfortable.
Wide: Mm-hmm. And then
Peter: now you're just not giving them enough. they're kinda just
Wide: going through the motions, and
Peter: that's Just- as
bad as not... as
Wide: doing
Peter: too much, right?
it's
finding that nice Goldilocks zone where you can train somebody where they're getting the most out of
it. That's the skill. That's
Wide: the
Peter: experience. The
exercises, I
I mean, you can ask ChatGPT to come up with a program
Wide: 80%
Peter: of the way there. Right,[00:25:00]
Gary: Which I
Peter: do.
What's
that? Which I do.
Wide: the time. Yeah ... Yeah. it's my style.
Gary: Uh, is there any difference between training a
Peter: youth
Gary: male athlete
and a youth
female athlete? Um-
Wide: Um- Meaning like, you know,
Peter: again, we're
Gary: talking like let's go
5
to
15.
Peter: Yeah,
Wide: maybe let's- You know, that sort of
range. Yeah.
Peter: Yeah. So
maybe let's go a little bit more general. So
like, so like if you start your kid
training at
five, it should look like play.
Like that's like just like
Wide: you're just playing.
Like-
Gary: All right, so let's, so let's back up for a second. Let's go
Peter: through the
Wide: ranges. Just- 'Cause I
kinda
Gary: broke
the, the ranges. so so five to eight, I basically wrote that. play/move.
Wide: It's just play. Right. like just Jesus Christ,
like, like, and honestly,
Peter: y- you
Wide: don't even need to like send your kid
Peter: to a class.
Just play with them.
Like- Yeah ... like be
Wide: a person
Peter: yourself that's active
enough that you can play with
your kid. Right Right?
Go in the backyard, kick the ball, do the thing. Just
move their bodies. That,
they're still growing and
Wide: and developing. That's, there's no real reason
Peter: why
necessarily they need to picking up a barbell-
Right
or
Wide: doing weights.
Gary: I
think if
like there
is something
at a very young age, I remember even before the
age of five,
I remember signing our
kids
up for like, [00:26:00] gymnastics. Mm. like the little kid t- you
Wide: on
top
Gary: which was just a way
to get out of the house
a little bit. You know, you play with your kids but it's still nice to get out and meet
other
families and do whatever.
So if you're gonna sign up for
anything
at like the
really early age- Mm-hmm ... that's, like, a good one because that's all
Wide: Gymnastics is awesome on this level ... essentially they do.
Gary: they just, kinda tumble and they,
Wide: climb and they do- That's
actually a
Peter: a strength-based
play. Yeah. Yeah. I
love that. That's a
great
Strength, gymnastics is probably a
perfect way to
train a
small
Wide: Yeah.
Gary: You know, my kids started
playing hockey at,
Wide: three and a
Gary: half, four years
Wide: old.
Peter: Yeah,
totally. Yeah. With their brother.
Gary: Horrible parenting.
Wide: Really? Horrible parents, I know. And that, and that's- Get to work, son ...
Gary: works out ... in that sport, you basically, that's what you have... to-- I
mean, when I say play hockey, I mean
they're learning to skate- Yeah
and
Wide: then- be
Peter: put on skates sort of
the other thing.
Gary: Yeah.
like- At that age, so. So
in that five, you
know, that, what's, let's call it
four to seven or
eight, it's- Yeah
Peter: it's
Wide: kinda mostly just you don't need- playing ...
Gary: don't need to involve a lot of
weights.
Like,
you
Peter: need to, they're just- No, at all ...
Gary: they can
play sports, obviously.
Most- Yeah ... most
kids at that age are
doing some soccer
or maybe they're starting some base,
you know, T-ball
Peter: it is
Gary: weights-
Wide: yeah ... it's not to say, you can't- Yeah ... but if it is weights, it's mostly
technique. Yeah. It's just, like, [00:27:00] really
Peter: light, like, bars that mimic the
real
thing- Yeah
Wide: just
to get
you doing the
Peter: thing. And if a kid,
Wide: if
a kid is, like intellectually and physically capable to actually,
Peter: take your instruction, okay, great.
Wide: I
mean,
Peter: that's awesome. Yeah. That's cool. It's just
Wide: generally speaking
Peter: during that age, those
kids
not capable of that, nor do they want to
Gary: Right. and I
Wide: think there's probably,
Gary: I don't know, maybe the, maybe I'm not accurate too. There's probably a little bit of a
limited upside to even doing the weight training at that age- ...in- terms of, like, their bodies aren't quite
Peter: ready- They're not, they're getting
Wide: this stuff, hor- hormonally-
Peter: hormonally or whatever.
So they, like,
Gary: learning,
Wide: so, in the
next stage, that
Peter: It's just- ... to, like,
Gary: 11 stage-
I kind of put it as,
like, the learning stage-
which is, like,
really focusing then on, like,
the technique. So if you're gonna,
Wide: if you think your kid's gonna wanna- Because a kid around that age can say, "Hey, I'd
like to do this." Yeah. Right? Yeah. "
Peter: Oh, let go try what my big
brother's
Wide: it." Right.
Peter: like to do it."
Wide: I've trained kids at that age. Yeah.
Peter: Yeah.
I'll always tell parents,
at that age, I'm not even interested
Wide: in entertaining training your kid unless
Peter: they are
the ones that are,
like, being like, "I'd like to
do it."
I wanna do it, yeah. Because otherwise I'm just babysitting. Yeah. They don't give a shit.
Wide: what are we doing? Right. Like, let's, let's
make sure that [00:28:00]
Peter: you at that
Wide: age
know
Peter: that you wanna
do it. Yeah. Okay, great. Awesome.
And then I'll show you the
Wide: techniques. Let's not be
mistaken,
Peter: until your
hormones kick
Wide: in- Right
you're generally not getting a ton stronger or gaining
muscle
Peter: mass.
Right. You're
Wide: definitely gonna get some benefit, but the vast majority of the physiologic benefits happen once you've started to. go through puberty.
Peter: Right. And I think that, like,
Wide: 8 to 11-ish range-
Is a great range to
start
Gary: working with somebody if you think your kid is gonna be interested in
Peter: Definitely. Or maybe
Wide: kid's an
Peter: athlete- Yep ... and you
Gary: think it. might be
something that they take seriously. Because learning the technique during that like, s- a couple of years- Mm-hmm ... like learning
a proper, maybe it's
a
like a deadlift te-
technique, but you're doing it with, obviously just
Wide: working on hinging. Yeah,
Gary: like, like The idea of hinging,
not with, like, weights. Mm-hmm. Um, you're
learning how to hinge
properly, or you're
learning how, like what a lunge
would
look like or a squat,
Wide: and you're learning- You're gaining skill
you- you're gaining the
Gary: skill
Peter: Yep ... of the
Wide: movement. Yeah ... That's a really
Gary: valuable
age to learn.
Like, your motor skills are- developing, and you can,
like really learn
Wide: gaining a mastery and a control
Peter: of your
body. [00:29:00] Right. You're like, it's almost like-
Wide: you wait
Gary: too long for that-
Yeah ... then that can be hard to catch
Peter: to I
agree. Yeah. So
it's like, it's like driving a car. There's a skill to
driving a car. You have this
Wide: machine,
Peter: and you have to learn to drive, and there's a lot of techniques and buttons
and ways and the, feel
of the car.
the same
Wide: as the
body
If you don't practice moving
Peter: the
body in athletic ways, then you just, like you had said, you miss
out on
that kind of window early
Wide: on- Yeah
when
Peter: body and your brain developing
rapidly.
Wide: Now, like, and then that's the thing is you get confused. It's like, "Well, I'm not getting bigger
and stronger." Yeah, because your body's not ready
Peter: yet, but you're getting a shortcut,
that
if technique is on
board when
that,
process starts
to happen,
Wide: right- Yeah between, like, 13
and, like, you know, 16 maybe sometimes,
Peter: Boy, it's a shortcut- because now
you know how to do all this stuff.
Well,
now
Wide: you can like, rapidly progress compared
Peter: to if You had never had that training.
Gary: Right. And
Wide: so
Peter: that then
Wide: then takes us into
Gary: next stage at 12 to 14, 15, puberty starts to happen- hormonal change start
to
happen, and that's sort of the build stage. That's when you can really start
to,
like, take
Peter: really start to, like, see what- That's the magic.
Wide: It's- That's so fun. Yeah. But kid- you can
Peter: get hooked so
fast if your
Wide: body [00:30:00] responds the
way that it typically does, especially,
and and maybe we'll
Peter: how this is different for a boy and a girl.
Yeah. but at that
Wide: age, this is, like-
the magic
Peter: time when
your body will
Wide: never put on muscle
Peter: mass and strength faster than this again.
Gary: Yeah,
Wide: I
missed that window. Even If you just-
If
you
Peter: just
Gary: have been paying
Peter: She's not paying attention ... if you missed that, like, 13
Wide: through 18-year-old
Peter: window,
Wide: you can, you
Peter: can
do it.
You can
tr- obviously we do it the time,
Wide: we train
Peter: when we're later, but, like, you can put on so much
potential at this stage, um,
that I
think that it's a travesty
if you miss
Wide: especially if
Peter: you're, like an
athlete that cares about your sport and cares about being good.
Wide: Right. you
Peter: must, you must do
this level of
training when your body starts to go through
Wide: that window.
And
Gary: And so that stage
is
Wide: we
Gary: really start to add in the
weight. So we protect, but so we moved- Yeah ... we build athletic movements, then we
learned all the
technique
in the, in that
second stage, and now, now that we know, that technique and we understand our body and we have control over
Peter: it Yeah
Gary: Yeah we can
now start to add in,
like the,
Wide: Yeah
like- weight, the load- Because your
Peter: body
Gary: strength. Because your body starts to respond ... Right, our body's ready
Peter: for it, you start to respond
Wide: with building
strength and muscle
Peter: mass at a rate
that [00:31:00] was impossible before. Yeah, Right? And you're growing and gaining weight, and you're gaining competence,
and your mind is maturing,
and you care a lot more about it, right?
right? There's
lots of things going on that will allow you to benefit
at this stage, for sure. Right.
Gary: and
then the last stage I
have is, like, after that, 15 plus basically it's like,
that performance
stage. This is when you're really, like, at that point,
if you're
still playing a sport, you, you obviously take it seriously or, you know, maybe, you know, you've at
Peter: least achieved that you
Gary: you stayed with it long enough
to be a 15-year-old playing, you're probably in high
Wide: school. Mm-hmm. You're,
Gary: um, you know, whatever, and so now you start
to focus on maybe some sport specific performance or just general performance. You
really kind of take it to like the next level. You- Yeah.
You, continue to build, the build never really end. You
can continue to like, you know, work on,
like
Wide: strength training and stuff, but
Gary: maybe you're doing a little bit more
Wide: the- Yeah,
Peter: this is when- Yeah
kids start to think about the
future- Yeah ... and then playing beyond high school. Right. Right? Or they
Wide: just wanna be the best
that they can be
Peter: through their athletic
career in high school,
Gary: in high school, right?
Peter: Yeah.
Wide: Um,
and, and then
Peter: of course at this
I start to talk to k-
Wide: to
Peter: kids about,
Wide: like,
Peter: from a
Wide: perspective [00:32:00] too,
Peter: like once they
get out of high school, if
they're not doing it in college, like this is a skill for life, right?
Like you're gonna find yourself
Wide: in your 40s someday,
and if
you have continued this
Peter: through high school and into your 20s and 30s, You will have
Wide: benefited so
tremendously than if you were somebody that
Peter: to pick it back
up in your 40s, right?
Right. so
I think that's Like you the
Gary: other day trying to be athletic
again.
Peter: What did
Wide: I try and do ? I, uh-
Gary: remember you realized that like all of a
sudden you
felt like you were losing a little bit of, your
Wide: athleticism? so frustrating. And
Gary: then I saw you like in the gym one day just like doing
Wide: fast-
Hopping around ... like, stance hopping
Gary: around.
Be like, "Wait a minute."
Peter: a minute. And I
Wide: Be like, "Wait
Peter: it is?
Gary: feel how slow it is. Yeah.
Peter: It's so bad. It's not good. Yeah, you
Wide: gotta train that power, man. Yeah, you know, it goes
Peter: quick?
Gary: I
Wide: quick. Like you said, the, the, uh,
Gary: progress- the regressive overload
happens very quick.
Peter: to All of us. Yeah.
Wide: If you don't do it, you
lose it
Peter: very quickly. Yeah. You see that- So, like, that stage is just about building on what you
started-
Wide: Yeah. continuing to refine. You won't grow
Peter: quick as
Wide: what you did- Yeah ... you know, three years
ago, but you continue to see progress.
Peter: know. Like,
that
Wide: can happen through your, your teens and into early 20s. And if you've been [00:33:00] consistent, now like you get a really good base I guess to stay with you
Peter: for the rest of your life as long
Wide: as you're on some level of
maintenance
program, you know?
Right.
Gary: So let's circle
back
now that
we kinda covered
those stages, and say like
Wide: so
Gary: at
what
stage would there potentially be
a difference with the way that we train male versus
Wide: female? Hmm.
Gary: Or is there? Is It, just kind of always the same? Yeah, so- Or what
Peter: so- Or what factors
might we
Gary: wanna
think about if
we're training,
Wide: you know- It's interesting
a different gender Yeah. So
Peter: it it has to do with weight. So boys can
Wide: put on
so much more muscle
mass than girls can, um, just as
Peter: a part of being a boy, plus
like,
Wide: much more
testosterone, right? Yeah. And So your potential
for
muscle mass, and
Peter: strength is far higher
Wide: than, than if
Peter: a boy at that stage.
Wide: So-
Peter: Okay.
Wide: Yeah ...
Peter: than
if you're a girl, right? Yeah. So,
Wide: Yeah ...
Peter: so then the reality is y- the strategy's different. So a boy could, who has a great, like, a
Wide: genetic potential to
put on
Peter: muscle
mass, could
realistically,
like,
Wide: gain 20 pounds that year. Like,
Peter: he could, like,
Wide: have
Peter: crazy growth spurt, grow in
Wide: height and weight,
Peter: fill out,
Wide: you know, between,
like, you [00:34:00] know, 15, 16, 16, 17.
You gain a ton of weight and muscle mass, and you still get to
stay fairly lean, and that's important because
Peter: for athletic performance, you wanna have a sweet spot of, of body composition where you're not so
lean that
it's detrimental, but you're
not
overly fat so that, that
Wide: It weighs you
Peter: down. So this is a nice athletic
sweet spot, right?
Wide: And if you can gain
Peter: 20 pounds of mostly muscle mass, that's a
Wide: big deal. Guess who
Peter: do that?
Wide: Girls. Like, just
Peter: generally speaking- Yeah. you have to be the outlier
of
outlier female
Wide: in order to gain that much muscle mass. So we
Peter: think on average, a, a, a girl
Wide: is not gonna even
Peter: come close to that.
Maybe
it's
four
Wide: pounds of
Peter: mass, four to five pounds of muscle
Wide: mass that first year with really good training.
Peter: Well, that- determines how much
Wide: weight you can gain, right? So
Peter: again, if you're trying
to optimize,
you're trying to stay athletic
Wide: and lean and fit
and strong, then you have to just understand that that is gonna be... Like, you're maybe, like, gonna
Peter: gain, like, five
Wide: pounds at most in the next year during your growth.
Yeah. and that's okay. That's just a
Peter: a part
of it, right? Yeah. You train them the same.
Wide: That
Gary: could be like super annoying [00:35:00]
Wide: them. It is. Like, as
Gary: they
watch,
like their male
counterparts,
Peter: It is what it is, man ...
Wide: on like-
I didn't make the rules, unfortunately ... yeah. But
Peter: train
them the
Wide: same. Yeah. You
Peter: really... like it's, there's no difference. It,
just because you're a girl
versus a boy doesn't
Wide: mean you have to train differently.
Peter: Each body is their
Wide: own. The gender of
the person doesn't dictate the
training. Yeah. The individual
Peter: Where are you tight?
Wide: are you strong? Where are you weak? Let's work on these things.
What is your sport? You can dial
in training to match the sport of choice
or just
Peter: your overall goals.
Yeah. But the gender, I
have found is largely
useless in determining training.
Wide: I'd say
in,
Gary: y- I think for most people, especially in the world we live in now where kids are becoming more and more sedentary- Mm-hmm
like getting your kids involved
in s- something-
Yeah ... you
Wide: is
Peter: Ever more important ... super valid.
Gary: It's so
much
Wide: important. And- you're giving them an education as to how to use and
move their
Peter: body.
Gary: And unfortunately, like kids just don't really "Go out in the neighborhood and play anymore like
they used to.
It's not like- It's just not the
Wide: it goes. No,
Peter: Yeah, you gotta manufacture training.
Gary: unfortunately, you're, you either need to do it with them or you
need to sign them up for something [00:36:00] or,
or whatever- 'cause
it's not
gonna happen otherwise.
Peter: the bodies start to deteriorate. Yeah. I
Gary: have noticed
that kids are
riding bikes a lot
Peter: more.
Wide: Like
Peter: e-bikes?
Wide: Yes ... That is a big difference.
Gary: is a big difference. It's so
Wide: I refuse.
Gary: It's so
Peter: annoying. My son
has begged
me- Yeah
Wide: me- Yeah ... so much. I Just
Gary: Yeah. I, every time I see
a kid on a bike Now
Yeah ...it's, a
freaking e-bike. They're
not even pedaling. Yeah, nobody's pedaling. Your
kids are basically
Wide: a motorcycle.
Correct. And- And
Peter: of them
are doing it without helmets on ...At 13-
Yes
30 miles an hour- Yes ...
you're an idiot. If you're
an idiot. If you let your kid do that. Like what are you doing? Sorry,
Wide: just-
Gary: see
kids all
Wide: time- ... I'm ranting ... on
Peter: on
Wide: roads now.
Peter: Especially a 14-year-old boy. Yes.
Wide: This is not a bike.
Yeah.
It's, it,
Peter: it's so
fascinating- It's a dirt bike ... to me that
Gary: these kids are out there on
these motorcycles. They're
on motorcycles driving around,
many of them
screwing around- Mm-hmm ... like,
Wide: it's just Now- ...okay. I'm like,
how is this
Peter: allowed? Sh- Like
Gary: how
is it we don't require a license-
Kids- ... to be over a certain miles per
Peter: Kids gonna die.
Right. and then ro- then rules are gonna have to
Wide: come into place.
Gary: Right. Oh,
you "
hate rules
Peter: But-
Gary: Why can't everyone just have
fun? be a person. Just
let me be, with the fun police. Like, [00:37:00] what...
Wide: Now you're playing
into my libertarian side.
Gary: Now, it's, oh Yeah. Now
all of a
sudden, yeah.
Wide: right? You
Gary: either
Wide: you either
Peter: Hey, I didn't say I
Wide: would get rid of rules ... you
Gary: either want
Peter: was a libertarian ... you either want rules for your jet ski
Gary: or
you don't. You can't
Peter: have it
for jet skis
and- not
Gary: for the
Wide: e-bikes. Have them
Gary: Yeah ... I
Peter: do. I think it's
Gary: crazy. I, I, I look at it all the time
like, "What are, what are
Wide: doing?"
I know. Like, you
Peter: It's like- But
more importantly, I'm
like, i-
Gary: if your kid wants
Wide: bike, make '
Gary: em ride a real bike. They all
need exercise.
Peter: Like
Wide: they need some exercise.
Peter: is the argument.
Evan, why don't...
Wide: This is my son. Why
Peter: you ride your bike?
"Because
I wanna ride, I wanna the other thing. Yeah, but like the
Wide: other
thing is way more dangerous, and You're not getting exercise." Yeah,
Peter: riding a bike
is boring. Yeah, good. Yeah. Go ride a
Wide: You want a dirt bike. Exactly. You basically want a
Peter: a dirt bike. Yeah, you want a
bike. Somehow we legalized like,
Gary: Yeah. dirt bikes and motorcycles for, for children.
Wide: Mm-hmm. It's
Gary: I can't b- I can't... Yeah. Anyway, so-
Peter: fa- in
fact, hold on. And then,
Wide: I'm kidding.
Peter: like I said, you
you know we
gotta go. Yeah.
Wide: Um, the
Peter: vast
majority of people who
ride bikes On the roads are now
Wide: e-bikes. Yes. [00:38:00] Like- Yes ... it's not
even
Peter: close. Every- It's very strange. Yeah.
It's sad.
Wide: Comfort is the
Peter: enemy of
progress.
Gary: Yeah.
Peter: We're
all declining.
Gary: We're very
Wide: Very quickly. yeah.
Gary: Yeah, when I see people do that, I'm
like, "Just
Wide: get in your
Peter: car."
Wide: I said, "What are you doing?" Just getting, you... What are you
Peter: doing?
Gary: What are you doing? You're not out for a bike ride.
Peter: You're- definitely not out for a
Gary: bike ride.
Like what are you
Wide: You're tricking
Peter: yourself Yeah, yeah. "Hey, what'd
Wide: you do today?" "Oh, I
Peter: went for a bike ride with the wife."
No, you didn't. "How long you went?"
Wide: No you didn't.
"Guess
Peter: didn't. We went two hours.
Gary: Yeah. You didn't do
Peter: anything.
Gary: anything.
Get some chips and sit
Wide: on the couch. 'Cause that's, you basically did this- Just- You did the same- Just accept the lifestyle you want
Gary: Yeah. You did the same thing.
Like, but I,
Peter: you
Wide: know, I'm not
Peter: here to judge,
Gary: but
that's just what
Wide: what I'd do.
I've
Peter: seen a
Wide: a dude smoking a butt- Ah,
that's great
Smoking-
On his e-bike ... Smoking a
Peter: butt- Out for a bike ride
Wide: And then...
Peter: Yeah.
Wide: Yeah.
Peter: Out for a bike
Gary: Not great. Okay. Anyway, well, I hope that, that episode was helpful. I know we get a lot of questions around that. Um,
I see hear
a lot of
people talk about it, and I know there's a lot
of misinformation
around it or fear sometimes around it.
And
Peter: be afraid- ...
Wide: Don't be afraid to train your
Peter: that clears it
to train your kid. If they wanna [00:39:00] do it,
Wide: encourage them to do
Peter: it, let them do it. Find
a lot of misinformation around it or fear sometimes around it
and- Don't be afraid to train your kid. If they wanna do it,
encourage them to do
it, let them do it. Find a qualified trainer- Yeah ... that knows what they're doing, knows how to
Wide: them, meet them
Peter: where they're at,
Wide: and
Peter: then hopefully
progress them into their athletic future.
Wide: future.
Gary: Perfect. We will end there. All
right.
See
Wide: See
Peter: See ya.
Wide: ya. See ya.