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A sailing podcast for racing sailors everywhere. Exclusive interviews with the sport's top names. Presented by British sailing journalist Justin Chisholm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the Yacht Racing Life Podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a sale GP edition.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be talking about the events in San Tropez, which took place this last weekend, joined by Magnus Wheatley from Cows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Magnus, you've been doing a bit of sailing of your own.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know in the flying 15, are you going to tell us a little bit about that before we start?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can do it, it's just I'm just having the time in my life, I've just found the boat that I really want to sell for the next few years and it's just fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this weekend was overshadowed by the Star Worlds.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I sort of had one eye on Sandra Pay, one eye on the Star Worlds on the Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all credits are Paul Kayard, one of the seriously nicest guys in sailing.
[SPEAKER_01]: At 66 years old winning the Star Worlds, it clips as everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: In my book he's just one world sailor of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: guarantee there's no one that comes close to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gives all of us hope that with the right amount of training, right amount of money, right amount of just general ships per about things, you can go and win at the highest level.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the story for me of the weekend, but we're here to talk about Santa Pay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got him down on my list of world champion winners this year to try and get to on an interview or maybe even a podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll try and get that organized.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, talk about sale GP we will.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was such a pay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was mistrial season.
[SPEAKER_00]: They lost their training day on Friday.
[SPEAKER_00]: They raced on Saturday and not so breezy conditions, but on the small rigs.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then it was blown off on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Brits emerged victorious, having all really jagged it, just got that last point on the last leg of the day, last race of the day, to put themselves on top of the leaderboard, so they get the event points.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that I thought was a not a brilliant
[SPEAKER_00]: by the Brit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I was impressed with was they made, they turned potentially bad results in some good results and my personal view is that's about Hannah and Dylan's Olympic experience where that's what you do in an Olympic regulator.
[SPEAKER_00]: You make sure you don't have any disasters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see that way?
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree and I called in my blog Hannah the MVP she's she's really really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's no there's no getting away from that and the interplay between Hannah and Dylan when we get the on board
[SPEAKER_01]: audio.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's very clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's very concise, Dylan equally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I call him a bit of a mentalist.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've got to get him in the right zone and they were digging themselves out of impossible situations.
[SPEAKER_01]: And consistency wins, doesn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were four different race winners over four races.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were the most consistent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they, as you say, ace to it on that last upwind, read that right shift, which the Kiwi's had executed beautifully in race two, when someone say they're lucky, Olivia Mackay said that she was, that they'd actually clocked that before.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was very intelligent sailing by the breads well deserved, that's really put them in the season standings.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's another $2.4 million to win over the next four regasses and then there's the two million dollar prize at the end of the in Abu Dhabi.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're in they're looking really good for that well there's certainly going to be in the top three let's see what they do and that way gets to the final.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a kind of 15, 16, not a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were using the small rigs, and they were using the new high-speed rudders.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wondered whether those rudders were really in range in those conditions, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I thought some of the about handling looked a little rougher across the whole fleet, and I wondered whether perhaps they're trying to get
[SPEAKER_00]: So grips with those new runners.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how different they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know much about them?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they're thinner with longer chords and you know quite significantly.
[SPEAKER_01]: the combination as we've seen almost at every regatta when they change the combo of rig and foils and they went with the T foils and they they changed rig.
[SPEAKER_01]: There people are really struggling with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to say I thought the fleet looked bang average most of the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were some shocking boat handling that you know I noticed one of the on one particular leg the Germans
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go, this is coming towards the end of the season, kind of expected people to be performing better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I look at someone like the German team who are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see their logical progress through others are just seem to be mild midfleet or going backwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the really supersonic teams are up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they're pushing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're really, they're taking cell GP to another level, their mark surroundings are better, their positional play is better.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're reading the windows well as you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a pretty cruel regatta for most of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't catch a break if you were just, if you were out the back, you couldn't catch a break.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were some extraordinary results.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Italians winning race 3 was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: was extraordinary.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were dead and buried in 3rd or 4th place, tactily clicked into their own private wind shift and made it round the mark and sailed on from there, great to see the win, but having led at Mark one, their positional play down the first run, they always go wide and then drive and everyone's jibbed inside them and they think they're on a layline to the mark and they're not playing those wind shifts down that first run.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Riji went from a commanding position down to 4th or 4th or something, and then then got lucky, then sailed well, not taking anything away from him, sailed well, but I just look at the Italians.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always been on their case, and I just look at the Italians' results, 12, 6, first, 11th.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of all over the shop and I said, you know, this isn't doing Rugey much, much good in, he's got some big competition in America's cup standings with Pete coming on board and now allowed to sail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I, it may be sail GP is the only place for him and he could well go back to the Olympics because this, this isn't happening for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, okay, well, I, I, I look at it a slightly different way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very aware that sometimes when you're new to a fleet, winning a race can a mentally gives you that permission to win more races.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you've done it, you give yourself that permission.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen it in other fleets.
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of reminded me what the Spanish did when they started to come to the fall.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember them winning a race and thinking, wow, the Spanish wanna race, that's amazing because they haven't looked like they were going to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and after that, you know, more race wins came and, you know, they ended up winning the season, which was an even, even bigger shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and there's one, you know, back to back events this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, maybe they'll be able to push on from that, you know, Jimmy's running this team, pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he knows what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll be very interesting to see
[SPEAKER_00]: how they debriefed that, what they spot in that race.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got no excuses.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got all the funding.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got Carl Langford on the on trim.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got an all star team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Supposedly brilliant Helmsman you know double gold medalist you don't win that by by not being fast and it's just not clicking So you may be right there may be that a race win now They can really go and celebrate that hard and say right this is what we this I mean, but I just didn't see around the rate that they got lucky on a shift on the second on the first beat
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see the racecraft, their mark-roundings are really wide, really, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this giant angle that they insist on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just take an earlier giant, giant before the others who are trailing you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they seem to do it all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got a playbook and they won't step outside of that playbook.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas I think what you see with the New Zealanders, the Aussies, the Brits, is they are very willing to push it and step
[SPEAKER_01]: They may well have a game plan, but it's in the crucial moments, and you see how Tom Sling's be pushes it around the race course, every inch matters, even though he had a bit of a shock at this weekend, every inch matters, and you can see why these guys
[SPEAKER_01]: It slings be his right on the limit.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to see 20 centimeters over in the last race.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that, that, that, that speed, that was pretty hard called to be honest, but he's really pushing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what makes him a winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the rest are, I've got to try and get to that aggression level of, in, of precision.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you've mentioned that precision angle we were talking before we started recording about the incident with the keyweas and the Australians on a mark rounding where there was a bit of a delay, but the penalty went against the keyweas.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_00]: And they came inside and they shouldn't have that right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you thought they did have an overlap.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at it on the screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was pretty marginal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't have called it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what we've got to remember is, and this is what we were talking about, is Craig Mitchell in the booth does have the very precise data, and he has to call it, based on what he sees.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't give it a margin of error, because that's what the system is therefore, and the same thing on the start line.
[SPEAKER_00]: 20 centimeters is still 20 centimeters.
[SPEAKER_01]: VAR.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think where we may be getting slightly confused is the overlay graphic, the yellow boundary that the TV puts on may not well certainly won't be as accurate as what Craig's got in the booth.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I look at it from the yellow boundary,
[SPEAKER_01]: the circle around the boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It definitely looks like Tom's got an overlap, but that may not be two boat lengths.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm sure Craig is right on that and he does, he does make good calls, I think, Craig is, I think I've got a lot of time for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of the sailors think he's quite harsh on things, but I think he's more fair than not an over a season, I think it even's out in terms of luck in these calls and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was a really interesting
[SPEAKER_01]: That was two absolute professionals going round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the black foils, you know, Berlin gave enough enough room.
[SPEAKER_01]: They then went off and there's no quarter all the way to the boundary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tom's going the slightly higher mode and just brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's brilliant sailing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think if, you know, if sales EP wants to align itself with formula one and be compared with formula one, that's the sort of racing that you're going to get, you know, those, that was, that was, what is the one of they say is rubbing tracing, you know, like there were, there were so close together going round, but but under control, yeah, pretty exciting stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the starts a little bit, the
[SPEAKER_00]: just got themselves at all sort of a tizzy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The French as well, I mean, that was brilliant, but it was brilliant to watch, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where was he where did he think he was going with that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he went to carry on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have definitely carried on because he did he bailed out of that too soon and the other the boats to Leward with, well, it looks like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, God, I mean, we're talking seconds here, but it looks like he could have gone almost to the end of the line and spun it and then forced his way in on the middle of the line and born away.
[SPEAKER_01]: But obviously that right shift came in, making it really difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was probably a bit of a few gusts on as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was, I mean, the shutouts at the star but end of the line were really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't seen that before, and total shutouts, and that's your race over.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it does come back to the the whole thing of, you know, I watched the star class worlds and they've got a hundred hundred plus boats on a very very long line and everybody's got the opportunity in the room to to get through.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now this is stadium racing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very different, but it does feel.
[SPEAKER_01]: overcrowders that there's only really perhaps six places on that start line that you can possibly go to where you won't get gased and you won't get forced out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're talking mid the middle of the line effectively.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what that creates almost immediately from the get go is a two tier fleet.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got six boats who are out, six boats who are in, the six boats behind have got to get lucky on some shifts, the six boats ahead have now got to execute.
[SPEAKER_01]: and that's a variable that Russell Coots will probably say well that's great because the six boats are head probably won't execute as well as the six boats behind them and you know you get a race out of it but I do think that if you actually spit split the fleets and said which I know is what they're going to do when we go to 14 boats next next year if we do split the fleets six and if we did split the fleets six and six and Santa Pay
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have produced fairer, better, closer racing and I was saying this before the champion, before this this regatta in my blog but it you know it's Russell still pushing it with a lot of boats and then you marry that with a pretty shifty winds where I think Tom Sling's be said it went from 20 knots to 8 knots in a heartbeat.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then you've got the small wing up and probably, and the new Rudder profile and the new software update on the board drop system and the raking of the boards to try and stop the boats from nose diving and I think all round all of them looked six and sevens.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't get a practice race on Thursday because of the mistrial and they went straight into racing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, would Formula One go out and having not had a practice or even a few sight or laps and I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was some real donkey darby stuff in the before the racing started and there were lots of pictures captured.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see much video, but pictures captured of the talians were nose diving, boats were all over the shop.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I just look at it and think that they need to settle on configurations, settle on things so that you can go to the settings, you can go to the wing trim and nose, how much to pull on the flight controllers with their fingers and thumbs can control that flight better.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: we got what Russell wanted, really, which was a bit of a donkey Derby, and it was all over the shop, and as I say, it's not just me saying it, I read the New York Times with Andy Rice saying it's saying they just look bang average.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I didn't think it was a great advert for CELGP this weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, as we say though, you know, maybe
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe the configuration was all a little bit not quite right and you mentioned that the new software on the foils to try and prevent the being nose dive that happen when the Brazilians dropped the board at the wrong time or the wrong angle or whatever and broke the front beam.
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like a logical sensible thing to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was quite impressed by the fact that they got
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, an incredible effort from the South Hanson Tech team, who I was likening them to, they must look at the job's list coming and go right we've got the Brazilian boat in in super market carrier bags and we've got some some rudders from the French and we've got a sharp bite out of the the Brits and a hole in the in in the also and no hole on the the American boat and they got them all out well done fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does, in my mind, raise a question as to whether these are the right boats for the league, whether the league needs new boats.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the amount of designers that have emailed me and said, if you were building new boats with the current foil configuration, you wouldn't go with this platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might consider going to a 40 foot platform rather than a 50.
[SPEAKER_01]: you might think of just dialing it down a little bit to get better racing and I think also when the America's Cup kicks in, you might see a bit of a talent drain and next next season could well be a talent drain in CELGP which means you put new people in.
[SPEAKER_01]: that creates more jeopardy, but is it going to happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Larry just made a hundred billion in the day last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he can write the check tomorrow to put new boats in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure I agree with Russell's upgrade program of one year.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do Hulls one year.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do crossbeams.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels a little bit like triggers broom for the international audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's
[SPEAKER_01]: It does feel that something needs to happen and the money involved in SLGP now is considerable.
[SPEAKER_01]: The profile is considerable and they're going to have to address the boat issue at some point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as you say, they're moving to 14 teams next season.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to split the fleets.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's already been declared.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be interesting to see how the format works with 6 and 6.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have to change quite dramatically, because I guess you'd have to have more boats in the final, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the idea?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you go into a repashage, don't you get the top top two boats go through to a semi-final and I don't know, it's got the format will change.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the top three boats go through and then into the semi, so you've got six boats again on the start line.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be something like that, but it's seven and seven isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, that's to be announced.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Russell's got a lot to lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've got Geneva coming up and then Cadiz.
[SPEAKER_01]: Geneva, they're going to put the light, whether foils on the new light, whether foils on, which allow them to foil in four knots, less breeze.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be foiling in minus four knots.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have whatever it is minus four, so that's probably going to be a light weather event, but it's not usually like that here as we get known.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not guaranteed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not guaranteed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been there when it's been like me-stral conditions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then go to the yoc clubs and go to the yoc clubs and see the photos on the wall of mass boats coming back with no mass.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you've got cadres, and maybe what have you got to lose in cadres?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the top three will be pretty much decided by then.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure the French are going to close is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then 11 point gap to the brits, I don't think that I don't think they're going to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the next two results or next result goes the way we, you know, it should do with the brits getting scraping through.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the top three,
[SPEAKER_01]: will be decided what's he got to lose by just not splitting the fleet six and six and in cadets whether that will happen but you know Russell's very good at throwing mud at a wall and saying what sticks and he does listen to good ideas and he does he is pretty reactionary as a dictator in our sport and he will change and he will do things if he thinks it's going to work and I you know why not trial it before the end of this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess it's hard with the TV window.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might affect all of that and just change it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be too big a step to take.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe better to just wait till next season.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as you say, we've got Geneva coming up next.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lake event.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, foiling on lakes, foiling on fresh waters completely different to foiling in salt water.
[SPEAKER_00]: with the racing in Chicago, I think that's going to change things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's presume they do get enough wind to go for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think they will.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there'll be a number of teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the if it's lighter winds will be iron, you know, just a little more settled tactical.
[SPEAKER_01]: a technique lead event.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been quite windy for quite a few of these events and a more tactical one way on the foes off the foes, the light weather foes will help, but the people like Italy, Canada, the Brits will be eyeing, you know, a big win in Geneva.
[SPEAKER_01]: equally America.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's some green shoots there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know they're the much maligned, much maligned team and whether they have the talent on board and it looks like us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, that's the line by us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, in particular.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's others as well, but 8th, 12th, 9th and 7th this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: the encouraging thing was that they were in the hunt in stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and the one event where they want to race or won the event or whatever was in the light.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, maybe they'll start looking at its Switzerland or obviously they had a shocker 11, 11, 8th and 9th
[SPEAKER_01]: didn't look up the races, they were lapt in one of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's got to be some serious thoughts there as to whether Seb Schneider is good enough, whether Arno steps onto the helm.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got Brian Metro, who I really rated through the Americas Cup last time, just not at the races at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've got to be eyeing a big Geneva.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Germany, I mean, Germany, maybe it wasn't a fix and a flash in the pan in Sassnitz, you know, they are, they aren't, it's really nice to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are emerging from the pack as the sort of leader of the pack, we know who the top guys are.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Germany seemed to be making all the right moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a few false dawns in this fleet.
[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't a cause we saw the Swiss like have string a few races and a few events together and we were comments and not all, maybe the Swiss are gonna be like a mid-fleet team this year and not a back of the fleet and then they faded away.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Germany, I mean, they won the start a couple of times, laid around the first mark in the first gate.
[SPEAKER_00]: nearly won the last race.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the Brits hadn't have snatched it at the end with a bit of inspired wind shift strategy from Hannah and Brazil.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brazil, I thought, look, look better this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They lost a race to gear failure, but I saw them up there quite a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, they led round the top mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Goody was making some good calls, seven, seven, a hydrophilia took them out in the fourth race and then a third.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not bad, okay, you know, there's, there's green shoots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Equally, you know, the one that we all were raving about at the beginning of the season, Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they've looked very off, Jars is like, and there was a curious interview he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, yeah, we're a bit of a skeletal team this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're this event.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we had to get bread and in bread and mong of the out of the coaching booth into a wet suit and on to the boat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just looked at it and just a skeletal team, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on behind the scenes there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Jars, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, Jars better than I do,
[SPEAKER_01]: he just doesn't quite seem as into it as he was but you know he did have that second place should have had should have had the bullet when the Kiwis you know again locked out essentially locked out on that and that this is race two on that upwind leg should have had the race win just doesn't quite feel that jails is
[SPEAKER_01]: it is is is is there at the moment and I don't know what's going on mentally or behind the scenes or whatever just hasn't had a good good middle middle part to this season yeah it's a strange room because you know they started off so strongly when he he jumped on the
[SPEAKER_00]: helm with him and Billy Goodrem was flying about like a wizard and they couldn't you know they couldn't slow the thing down but you know since then it's been really really patchy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard jails kind of chip in a way at their strategists on when they led around the first mark and then he couldn't jive when he wanted to because he I don't think he was made aware of a boat behind I'm not sure what it was but it all sounded a bit fraught you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know communication and the mood on these boats has to be has to be really clicking everything needs to be clicking and I think that's that's a struggle for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we come back to the Dylan and Hannah relationship the way they're operating together it's really impressive I think Hannah is a very intelligent individual in that she knows
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's that the same on, and other boats and Canada is probably a prime example of a pretty dominant physical character in, uh, in Giles and double gold medalists.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got all this shuts power around him, but does, does it click with the team?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, say, but it couldn't slow the boat down earlier in the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just just on fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when the Brits beat him when he was miles ahead in the final in Sydney.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that did actually take a bit of a mental toll out of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then again, when he was up in the hunt, that superb start from on the windward side, led away around the first mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, the Kiwis were
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't happen and I thought they were going to win if that win should've hadn't come end, it should've known.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those things unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should've had a race win this weekend and he looked great when he was up there and the team, you know, are up, but then follows it up with what was it and 11th and a tenth.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, gas out at the try to try the same trick again in, was it race number three?
[SPEAKER_01]: got gased out at the starbed end and it just wasn't happening for jails and he just is cutting a dejected figure off the water and that translates all the way through the team.
[SPEAKER_01]: As you look at Dylan, obviously he's won, you know, signing the cameras, he looks happy,
[SPEAKER_01]: all the boys are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's Ben Ainsley and Georgie Ainsley and everybody seems together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a big shout out also to Robbie Wilson.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought his calls when we were privileged enough to hear them from the coaching booth were spot on, you know, you've got to take the right gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not one and done on the other, you know, and that relationship there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's also key.
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously you take blood and mon in Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: You take put him on the boat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's now doing the coaching role?
[SPEAKER_01]: who's got the the skill that Bledon's got.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all round difficult, and I think that's it's probably the strength in depth of these teams now that is going to you look at the Kiwis, they've got Sam Meach sitting there, you know he's bronze metal silver medalist in the Olympus, bronze silver, a great guy and and doing the business for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same with the Aussies, but Thomas all over the shop and
[SPEAKER_01]: The outstanding team in consistency wise was the Spanish, we were at a 33-2 and then obviously bailed out in the last race.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, who's going to be there in the final?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Australian New Zealand and the breads.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't see anybody else getting there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just to go back to that call from Robbie Wilson, I love it when we hear the coaches make calls and it was a nice combo with Stevie Morrison and the commentary boo who went on to explain, you know, why it was so important to go right because it was less maneuvers in the shifting conditions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good, good for our sport when people can understand it at that level and let's see more of that if we can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, well we're getting up towards half an hour, that's probably okay for a one day event.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it is going to be Geneva next weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll be back at this pretty soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, not sure I'm going to make it to Geneva, but I am going to try and get to Cadiz, because I think Cadiz could be a windy one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that'll be a bit of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to thanks a million for joining me this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: As other thanks to everybody for listening around the world and for all the kind comments that I get about the podcast and even some of the nasty ones too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and we will see you at about a week's time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jason.