Journey of Wisdom: Insights from Jim Stine - Part 2

In this captivating second part of our podcast series, we continue diving into the life and wisdom of Jim (Lou) Stine, a man rich with experiences and stories. Lou shares his journey from his career in HR and labor relations to retirement, and the transitions that followed. He opens up about his move to assist his daughter, his return to work, and ultimately, his experiences with family and spirituality. Lou's reflections on parenthood, his children’s accomplishments, and the love that binds his family provide invaluable lessons and heartfelt moments. Tune in to hear about the resilience, values, and legacy of a man who truly exemplifies enduring love and family unity.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome Back
01:04 Tea Time and Funny Stories
01:54 Lou's Retirement Journey
05:49 Returning to Work and Challenges
14:26 Family and Grandchildren
21:13 The Importance of Family Unity
30:00 Memories and Parties
33:36 Meeting Anne and Early Days
34:52 A Memorable Party and a New Beginning
35:25 A Tough Taskmaster at Home
36:27 A Story of Resilience and Seasickness
40:13 Grandchildren and Their Talents
41:53 The Tall Family
44:35 Faith and Family Values
52:56 Career Success Stories
58:06 A Funny Story and Final Thoughts

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Jim Baker

Author of "The Adventure Begins When The Plan Falls Apart" Converting a Crisis into Company Success, Jim is a husband and father of 4, Baker has spent the last 30 years in the business world as an entrepreneur, investor, and advisor. He had a successful exit in 2014 after owning and managing a CRO and functional services company, Ockham, specializing in Oncology. During that time prior to exit, Baker grew ASG and then Ockham both organically and through M&A. Over time Baker has experience in acquiring and selling companies, working with investment bankers, private equity, and mezzanine debt funding. In addition, has vast experience in business branding and managing and leading people. After the sale to Chiltern International, Baker started Sumus Development Group, an advisory business focused on operational excellence, exit strategy and marketing. In addition, Baker is an active investor in the business community.

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21 - 50 Cups - Jim Stine Part Two
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Bill LuMaye: Hello everybody. It is part two of a fantastic podcast. I mean, it really was riveting with this gentleman. I love anybody who has age and wisdom to share and we can learn a lot from this individual, Jim Stein, or Lou, I guess is what he's most referred to.

And it's great to have you back. And of course, hot Takes won't you, by the 50 Cup Tea Company and it's, it's wonderful stuff. Jim Baker is here and I can't wait to get started. Jim, this is was fascinating, the last Pan podcast. I'm looking forward to see what happens [00:01:00] today.

Jim Baker: Yeah, it's glad to have you back and thanks.

As you know, Lou had a phenomenal story. Yes. Um, I am gonna, as always pour out our tea today. We have a little sweet tea. Oh, I love sweet tea Fashion, Southern Sweet Tea. Um, it's a hundred degrees outside. Oh man. Thought it'd be perfect today. Funny little story though. Um, Lou didn't like the tea last time, so I didn't want to offend him, but I just thought today instead of forcing the tea on him, we will just drink.

In his honor, but he will not partake in the tea today. Um, the mint tea didn't go down too well, I guess last time. I like an honest man and it doesn't work. It doesn't work

Jim Stine: well. I just got done doing Meals on Wheels and we stopped at Woody's downtown for something to eat and something to drink.

So I had a Bud Light. There you go. I'm, I'm okay now.

Bill LuMaye: Alright, great. This is wonderful Tee Joe. Yeah, thank you. It really is. Yeah.

Jim Baker: So anyhow, 50 cups tea.com whenever you get a chance. So phenomenal story last time, and I think we kind of couched over [00:02:00] since you've lived such a long and prosperous life. We talked a little about your younger years work.

We got your retirement, multiple jobs and we, we got to retirement and we kind of brushed over that and just moved on to other things. So I wanted to go back. So let's go back in time. Tell us about your last position, what you're doing, and then ultimately what led to you to make the decision to retire.

Jim Stine: Okay. Um, I was, um, in labor relations and human resources for the, um, overhead Door Corporation. Um, they started in they're one of the original, um, door companies, and they started in 1921. So I worked for 'em until I was 65. And, um, lo and behold, um, I, I didn't think that they even knew I was there because I just did my [00:03:00] job and, and you know, how companies can, can forget about you.

And, um, it seemed that way. But before I left I had, um, three retirement parties and each party I got pretty nice gifts. So I was so, I was okay with that. Nice. And it was okay, but, um. I retired at 65 in the year 2000. And, um I was happy to retire. I was glad to get outta there. I had, um, a lot of years in human resources and labor relations and you know how labor relations are, they're pretty tough sometimes to deal with the corporate union people.

Mm-hmm. And, um, I didn't have any problem with them, but they had problems with me. And so I, I retired, I was happy to [00:04:00] retire. Um, I was retired about three months, I think when I thought I said before in my other podcast that, um, I came down here because Lori had adopted two girls. They were new babies and she had adopted, and my other three, my three boys, one was in Dallas, one was in Baltimore, and one was in Atlanta.

And Lori was here with the two girls. And my wife says, we, we sat at the, at the breakfast table one day in State College. What are we doing here? Our kids are all gone. There's nobody here for us. Let's, let's go to one of there. So she says, well, Lori's gonna need help down there with the two, two babies.

Sure. So we came down here just to see what it was like. We, we, I had never been down south that much. And um [00:05:00] we actually fell in love with everything that we saw here. And um, and then we moved down here.

Jim Baker: So when you retired though, before you moved, was it an adjustment? 'cause you had been working? I.

Since you were 15, 16 years old and suddenly you're not working anymore. How was, how was that? Well,

Jim Stine: it that, that, that was a little difficult when I, it got through your, you're used to being wanted in a corporation or some business and, and then all of a sudden there's nobody that wants you and, and not wants you, and you're sort of left in the dark.

Bill LuMaye: You mean your wife didn't leave you a honey-do list every day?

Jim Stine: No, she didn't because I usually did that anyhow, so it didn't matter. But you married well, that's great. Yeah. So, um we came down here and, and after three months Lori and I, we were working on a, on a, um, [00:06:00] taking the wallpaper off of the walls where there were gonna be the baby's room and, we were doing that, and I got a phone call and it was one of the vice presidents of the company overhead door. And he said Lou, do you think you could come back for about a month? Um, we're really having problems and we need some help. And I said yeah, I can do that. I said, let me talk to my wife and we will check it out.

And so, so I did. And um, you know, I don't know if you've ever heard the story about really loved in a company. It's somebody that lives 25 miles down the road and carries a briefcase. And that was me. Mm-hmm. And, and, and it was like I was a different person.

It was like, holy macro, Lou. [00:07:00] You're so fantastic. I mean, everything was just, Lou will do this, whatever Lou says, this is what's gonna happen. I, I, I, I'm shaking my head. I'm saying, who the hell are these people, you know? And, um, so I, um, what happened really was there was a girl that worked at one of the other plants and they wanted to pr they wanted to promote her into my position that I left.

And what they ended up was a real problem. She was so hardheaded that, um, she had 50 grievances scheduled for arbitration when I got back there, 50. If I had one in two years, it was a lot. And she had 50. And when I got back there, I told the union, I. The, the from Pittsburgh, [00:08:00] the big shots from Union or from Pittsburgh.

I said, if you think for one second that we're going to arbitration 50 times, you're nuts because we aren't going at all. We're gonna work here and we're gonna sit down and we're gonna work these problems out. Because the people that are here, they don't want us to go to arbitration. They want us to work the problems out.

And so they let that girl go and they kept me for, they said they only wanted a month. I was there six months. And finally then I said, okay, I think I'm ready. And they had a guy come in from corporate who had some experience in labor relations and I thought he was gonna be okay. And lo and behold, he didn't turn out to be all that great either.

So they had problems with him. And, um. So they asked me to come back again after the [00:09:00] six months. It was about two or three months went by and they said, Lou, could you come back again? And I says, okay, but you know what, when I went back, I said to um, Rob, my son-in-law who was, he's in business and he knows what's going on a lot.

And I said, Rob, I'm not going back there for nothing. I said, they need me. I'm gonna get some money. And so I did good. I told him, this is what I want. We can do that no matter what. I said, we can do that. I want a car. Okay, we can do that. I, I wanna fly every other weekend. I wanna fly home and I wanna fly back.

Okay, we can do that. It didn't matter what I said. They were willing to do everything.

Bill LuMaye: Do you know how many times I've had a dream like that, that that would happen to me? And you lived it?

Jim Stine: I lived it and I couldn't believe I was living it either. [00:10:00] Wow. And so lo and behold, I did that for about a year.

And, um, and then they, we, we had a factory in Hudson, New York. Have you ever heard of Hudson, New York? I have. I

Jim Baker: have.

Jim Stine: We had a factory up there that they made, um, dock levelers. We were in the door. Business dock levelers were a part of the door business. And so they went into that business, but they didn't do very well.

They couldn't get anybody to run the plant. And so they asked me if I would go up there and for about a year or maybe not that long, and, and run the plant for 'em. And I said, yeah, I can do that. So I talked to Anne and she said, yeah, well the money I was making, she, how could she say no, you know? And so I went back and I went up there and I met some really nice people in that [00:11:00] plant.

And we didn't have a lot of labor problems. We had some, but we didn't have very many. So I was able to sort of do that job plus manage the plant and, and then after three years, I stayed there three years and did that. And after three years they decided that they wanted to get out of the dock leveler business.

They didn't want it in any longer and they wanted to get out. So that was very difficult to. I had, you know, I don't know if you know much about human resources, but what you have to do is when you're gonna close your plant up, you have to tell everybody in the town what you're doing and you have to give them an opportunity to talk to you about it.

So I had to do that with everybody in the town, the Chamber of Commerce. I mean, you could name it. I had to talk to these people. And, um, [00:12:00] so I, I said, well, we're gonna close the plant. And we had 250 people that we had to tell they had no, no jobs anymore. And that was, that was terrible. That was terrible.

. So, um, um, I had to tell all those 250 people and two, we let, we gave 'em six months notice. And, and then we had a big party at the plant and we tried to be as nice. We asked the people, their families to come in and we had to tell everybody that they no longer had a job.

And Hudson, New York, there weren't that very many jobs. That was a really, a tough place to, to tell people that they didn't have a, a job anymore. And, um, I don't know what happened to those people, but I, I'm sure it wasn't good.

Jim Baker: Yeah.

Jim Stine: And um, it was, it was a tough thing. So I had stayed there five years.[00:13:00]

After they told me, asked me to come back for a couple months. I was there five years. And, um, and the money was good. And the job was good and the people worked nice and, and everything worked out. Except I had to tell 'em that they didn't have a job anymore.

Jim Baker: Did that whole five years, you're back and forth to Raleigh?

Jim Stine: Yeah,

Jim Baker: yeah. Yeah. How was that? Was that hard?

Jim Stine: No, that wasn't too, if I called up because

Jim Baker: moved you, moved down and take care of the twins and you're, you, you're not taking care of the twins. Well, yeah,

Jim Stine: and Ann did then. Yeah, of course. And Lori. Yeah. You know, so that was okay. Um, I wasn't gonna do that much anyhow with the twins.

I, I'm probably just gonna paint the rooms or the whatever and, and so that worked out okay. And, um the, the two kids grew up. Mm-hmm. Um, I think one's, I think they're 23 or 24 years old right now. Um, and [00:14:00] Anna, Anna Claire was the one, and she's down in the Tampa area now. She's very intelligent and very headstrong, and she, she's, I don't know if you would want her working for you.

She'd be telling you how to run your business, you know, and so, um, I don't know where you would like, yeah.

Jim Baker: So let's, why don't we talk about that. So how many grandkids do you have?

Jim Stine: I have nine grandchildren and three, no, four, um, great-grandchildren.

Jim Baker: Okay. So let's, why don't you talk a little bit about each, each grandchild.

Jim Stine: Okay. Um,

my grandchildren for Michael, my son Michael, who lives in Nashville now. Um, one, the, the boy, his [00:15:00] name was Michael, and the girl's name was Stephanie, and they both got married, beautiful wife and a husband. They're doing very well. And, and they, they have both two great-grandchildren. Gave us two great-grandchildren.

Bill LuMaye: Okay.

Jim Stine: And so that's four of, and and your daughter is gonna give us our fifth. Catherine.

Jim Baker: Yes. And your grandson Chris? Yes. Or you call him cj? We call him Chris. Yes. Yes, yes.

Jim Stine: What would you like me to call him?

Jim Baker: Hey, maybe I'll start calling him. Cj.

Jim Stine: , And Chris, their father Chris, um, CJ's father Chris had three children.

De I. That's a story in itself. She was born with a hole in her heart. Oh my. At Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, [00:16:00] which I'm sure if you heard anything about hospitals, that's a great hospital. It is, yeah. And what they did is they were gonna take her in there after three. She was three months old.

They were gonna take her in there. They were gonna find out if they could, what it would take to fix her heart. Well, when she got in there, she had a blue spell. She turned blue. They did not have the operating room ready. She died. Oh. And, and I'm sorry she didn't die, but she, she, I'm sorry. She, um, she coded.

Jim Baker: Did she code mean with that? Resuscitate her?

Jim Stine: Well, she did that, but she also, because she didn't have any blood to her brain. She became, um, a special needs child. Oh man. And she, she cannot talk. She cannot hear. She, she can hear a little bit, but she can't hear too much. She [00:17:00] she cannot feed herself. She, she, she's totally dependent on her parents, and her parents are the greatest.

I just admire them for what they've done with her. And, and she's 33 years old now.

Bill LuMaye: Wow.

Jim Stine: Yeah. So you can see what parents, how much love that they've given her. And and she, she's, and she knows, she knows my voice. Yep. She knows her grand, her grandmother's voice, Nana and popup. Um, but that's about all she knows.

She doesn't know. She can't see if she's blind.

Bill LuMaye: But she feels the love, I'm sure.

Jim Stine: Yeah. Yeah. She must, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think so. Yeah.

Jim Baker: Yeah. To Lou's point, the their parents are, are great, and her name is Devin. And, um, she's a wonderful adult. Um, you know, I feel like when I say hi to her, I, I'm not, I'm, I [00:18:00] don't think we're connecting, but I think there's a, there's something, you know, she recognizes things.

Yeah. She, she can hear your voice.

Jim Stine: Yeah. And yeah. Yeah. She, um, but also you'll like this story about her, um, when she was probably 16, 17, around 20 maybe. Um, Jennifer found out that there were camps that, that she could go to, and these camps were run by, um, people who took care of special needs children.

And they had, that's how they learned how to do it. She was sort of a, um, what would you call her? Um, um, well, she helped them do that. Okay. She helped them learn how to take care of children and she was so, she was the person that they were taking care of. So she was to go to this camp up in the Kata [00:19:00] Mountains in Maryland.

And Chris, my son Chris, he didn't know what it was like up there and he wanted to make sure that he found out that she was going into a good place. Oh, of course. So when he went up there and then he came back, he said to Jennifer, Jennifer, that's his wife, he said, Jennifer, Devin will be safer than anybody else in the world.

That's right across the road from Camp David.

Bill LuMaye: Oh my goodness. Really?

Jim Stine: Yeah. And so up in the, up in the trees around Camp David, they had the Marines in the, when they're taking care of whoever was coming up to Camp David, you know, that was Sure. You know what Camp David? Oh, I sure

Bill LuMaye: do. Sure. You've heard that a lot of presidents go there.

Understand? Yeah. It kick back. Yeah.

Jim Stine: Eisenhower started it. Yep. Camp David was his grandson.

Bill LuMaye: Yeah.

Jim Stine: And so he, so, but, but [00:20:00] Chris comes back and he says she's savoring anybody 'cause she's up there. So they've, they get every now and then they get the opportunity to, to send her up there again. And that gives them a break to recharge.

Yeah, absolutely. And she, and she gets an opportunity to have other people work with her and help her and do things. So it's a, it's a, it's a give, give situation. That's

Bill LuMaye: a wonderful story. Yeah.

Jim Baker: Yeah. Now Jenny and Chris have a third grandson. I mean, your third son, you have the third grandson with them.

Jim Stine: Yeah.

Matthew.

Jim Baker: Right.

Jim Stine: Um, Matthew was born on the day that they moved into their new house. And so he's now about, I think he's around 25, 26 years old. And, um, he is a, he is a good fellow. Yeah, he is. He's, um, just still trying to find himself a little bit. I don't know how long you give somebody to find themselves, but they'll give him as long as he needs.

Yeah. [00:21:00] He's a great guy. He is a loving guy, but he just doesn't have a job.

Bill LuMaye: It happens. He'll find himself, I'm sure. Yeah, he will. Sometimes we, it takes a little longer to grow up.

Jim Stine: Yep.

Bill LuMaye: Yeah. Yep. Sounds like you have a really tight family though. I mean, it sounds like

Jim Stine: we're very lucky, Joe. Yeah. We're very lucky in that all of my children love each other.

Bill LuMaye: Yeah.

Jim Stine: And there's nobody that has an argument about somebody else.

Nobody has anything nasty to say about the other ones. That's what I love that about my family, and I'm dragging Sure. But I love that. I love that about 'em. They're great people.

Jim Baker: And Bill, how many grandkids do you have?

Bill LuMaye: I have th 1, 2, 3, 4. Okay. I have four. Great. They're great. Well, I got a couple that are, we adopted a baby

Jim Stine: Uhhuh

Bill LuMaye: who's now turning 10 next month.

Um, that's great. My daughter [00:22:00] had a baby at the same time, so she's 10. And then a, a 13-year-old. And then I have two older grandchild and don't hold me down to the, the ages, but I think early twenties and late twenties. So Uhhuh. Yeah, we got kinda one of those modern families. We're all over the spectrum, but yeah.

Oh, good. Folks, you can't help but be proud, right? Yeah, yeah. That's right. That's right.

Jim Stine: As long as everybody's talking to everybody. Absolutely. That's the great thing.

Bill LuMaye: Yeah, absolutely. You know,

Jim Stine: how many families do you know that Joe isn't talking to Dave? You know? Oh, I, I do know that feeling actually.

That's terrible. Yeah,

Bill LuMaye: it is. It is.

Jim Baker: Well, we'll get into that a little bit later on. So. Let's talk about Jim's kids, your grandkids from Jim.

Jim Stine: Um, my son Jim who I told that story about last time, about, about his life, um, he had two children, he and Jane. One is Connor and the other one is Kristen. [00:23:00] Connor is the oldest.

She's like, or he is, Connor is about 32 or 33, and Kristen is, um, she's around 30 and she's about to get married in September.

Bill LuMaye: Wow.

Jim Stine: That'll be a nice wedding. She's marrying a nice guy and, um, he comes from a pretty nice family, so that's another lucky thing. Yeah.

Bill LuMaye: Yeah. Sounds like you've been to a lot of weddings.

Jim Stine: Yeah, well, like, like everybody had two, like Mike and Yvette, they had two children, right? Jim and Chris. Jim and Jane had two children. Chris and Jennifer had three children. Um, Lori has two children, so there's a not a lot of opportunities for weddings.

Jim Baker: Now you mentioned Lori and Rob's oldest grandchild who's down in temp Tampa.

[00:24:00] Oldest kid rather that's down in Tampa. What about the younger one? Where is she? She's a teacher here, right?

Jim Stine: Yeah. She's a teacher at, in, um, um, Holly Springs. She teaches science class to AP classes in 10th, 11th, and 12th. No, I'm sorry, ninth, 10th, and 11th. And she loves her job. She's just a recent grad of of ECU.

Oh, right. And she's been teaching, I think it's the second year she's been teaching. Does she like it? Yeah, she likes it very much. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure she does a good job. Oh,

Bill LuMaye: I'm sure.

Jim Stine: Because I, I talked to her a little bit about it, you know? Yeah. Trying to pick her brain a little bit about how she's doing.

She seems to be doing okay. She's happy.

Jim Baker: And I believe you you mentioned her last time, but what's her name again?

Jim Stine: Emily. Emily, yeah. Emily Grace and Anna Claire. All [00:25:00] right. And they both are, their middle names are after Ann's mother.

Jim Baker: So how do you get through your life? You have all these adult kids, um, who are in her sixties, fifties, sixties right now. And it is pretty admirable to see your family altogether.

'cause everybody gets along. Everybody talks. Whereas take my family, for example, my siblings, three of us are close, and then there's one that's estranged from everybody. And it just seems like probably in your case too, I think we got some

Bill LuMaye: issues. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. I'm envious of yours.

Jim Baker: So how do you, is there a secret sauce to that?

Like what do you think was, why, why that, why you're so close compared to some other families other than you getting a text every five minutes?

Jim Stine: Yeah, I, I, I've, I've thought about that and I thought about how I would answer that question and I really don't have an answer other than the fact that Ann has been a Catholic all her [00:26:00] life.

And I told you the last time I became a Catholic, the day we got married and, and I believe in the Catholic church, and not that that's the only religion, it's not, but it has done its job for us. And we've been, but, but our family, they all left. They didn't become Catholics. They're, most of them are not Catholic.

And um, um, and that's strange too. But it, it, I'm, I'm trying to get back to where you, you, you were, Jim, about, you know, why the family stuck together. I, we tried. I, I said the last time we tried to be, we tried to be friends with our kids, but there were consequences. If you did something stupid, you're gonna be in trouble.

Right? If you're not in trouble at school, you're gonna be trouble at home. And, um, and that's the way I handled that situation. And [00:27:00] they, they went along with that. I mean they didn't balk, they didn't, um, they, they didn't run away from home. Well, maybe

Bill LuMaye: was family a priority for you though? I mean, as you grew up as and when you were raising them?

I, I mean, was family that important to you? Yeah. Yeah.

Jim Stine: Yeah.

Bill LuMaye: So maybe they got it from you. Yeah, it was, yeah.

Jim Stine: Yeah. Yeah. I had a father who was pretty tough and never put his arm around me, never told me he loved me. And I said, that's not gonna happen in my family.

Bill LuMaye: Yeah. Yeah. I could, yeah, I could see your eyes when you told us, told him.

I wonder how that might impact you. I, I know what that feels like, and

Jim Stine: do you Yeah,

Bill LuMaye: yeah, I do.

Jim Stine: Yeah.

Bill LuMaye: Yeah. It's hard. It's

Jim Stine: not a good feeling.

Bill LuMaye: It is not. You certainly wouldn't wanna make your kids feel that way.

Jim Stine: Oh, I don't know [00:28:00] why anybody would wanna do that.

Bill LuMaye: I

Jim Stine: know

Bill LuMaye: sometimes I. People love, but just don't know how to express it.

I think sometimes. Yeah. I'm sure your dad really loved you, but

Jim Stine: Yeah. Well, he, yeah, he, I, later, one time he did, he put his arm around me and said he loved me. But that was it. When it lasted for a short period of time. Well but it was there.

Bill LuMaye: It was there. I'm sure. I'm sure it was there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Jim Stine: And so but I think I think Ann's religion and the way she handled that and the way she, her and I dealt our, we, the way we lived our lives.

We had a lot of friends. We had but we, we had a lot of parties and we had the kids would be a part of the parties. Sure.

Bill LuMaye: You know, and no, I'm noticing that about you. You're constantly throwing parties or doing something [00:29:00] retiring. Closing plans. You still got a party.

Jim Stine: Yeah. Yeah. You gotta have a party.

Gotta have a party. You gotta have a party. Yeah, yeah,

Jim Baker: yeah. But it's something that, I mean, you probably have a hard time answering that question because that's your norm. You know, you've never had that issue before. Whereas, like I said, it seems like the more of the norm is, there's always somebody that's, that's the outlier, you know, in a family.

And it's part of it, I think has to do with tolerance. You know? Um, I think so on both sides, right? The, the person who might be a little bit different than everybody else, um, maybe isn't as accepted, but then that person also is like, well, you guys are a bunch of, the majority here is a bunch of nuts, so I don't wanna hang out with you too.

And I think if both, you know, sides of the family could just, you know, just be a little more tolerant. Um, I agree sometimes for

Bill LuMaye: jealousy and yeah, it's usually really stupid stuff, honestly, but it can grow into big stuff, so,

Jim Stine: well like I said, we, we had a lot of [00:30:00] friends. We had a lot of parties and, and, oh, I, I gotta tell you about that.

Um, I had a dartboard in my garage and I had a, an old filko refrigerator that somebody gave me. And it, and it, and it had the the h was out of filko, up on, and it was one of those round, round fronts nice. And a 16 gallon keg fit in there. Perfect. And I cut a hole in the side and had it draft.

Nice. Had a, and, and we had a, we had a keg on draft all the time, and the, and the kids would have people over for parties and we'd be shooting darts and having a great time. And, and, um, um, finally when we moved down here, this is part of the story, we moved down here. One of my son, Jim's best friends, had a moving company.

So [00:31:00] he, I asked him to move us down here. We, we were in my garage. We were having lunch for them, for the, the people that were loading the truck up. We had a lunch for them, Ann and I, and um, and I said something to, to, um, Jim's friend, um, about boy, we had a lot of parties in this garage, didn't we? And he says, yeah, Mr.

Stein, and a lot more than you knew about,

Bill LuMaye: I'm sure that's true. Yeah. I'm sure

Jim Stine: that was too. And that, that, that old Philco refrigerator, which I got, which was 20 years old when I got it. Yeah. Guy gave it to me. It's still in the family. I was gonna say who got it? Usually someone would fight over that.

Well, it went, it went to my nephew. Yeah. And he, he learned from my father-in-law who owned a bar. He learned [00:32:00] how to keep the tubes clean and all that from, from the mold. 'cause you can't, the bureaus get skunky if you do that. Yeah. And so he, and he did that. Then he, his wife made him give it away. So he gave it to his brother-in-law.

And I think his brother-in-law still has it. I'm gonna find out in, in, in, at the end of July, we're going up for a party. I'm gonna see if it's still at his house. 'cause we're going to his house for the party. Another party.

Jim Baker: There you go. It's hilarious. It don't make 'em like they used to. No, they don't.

Do they? Yeah. They last 10 years. You throw 'em out and you're lucky. Yep, absolutely. Yeah. Crazy. That's

Jim Stine: for sure.

[00:33:00] we talked, you talked a lot about the kids, obviously, and the grandkids. Um, and yet you've spoken a little bit about Anne and all of it's been very good, obviously, but tell us a little bit more about, about her.

Jim Stine: Well I told you the last time how we met. Mm-hmm. And, um, and how we, um, it was strange the way the whole thing ended up because, um, I was going to Lockhaven University, which was right there in [00:34:00] her hometown. And, um, I was playing basketball for a team in the YMCA and there were a bunch of guys that were day students people who lived in Lockhaven, who, who went to the university.

I knew a lot of them from seeing him during the day and playing ball with him at night, at the YMCA and one day Dutch Olmstead, which was a friend of of my wife's he said to me, um, he says, Lou, he says, I think Ann Moltz likes you. And I says, Dutch, get outta here. I said, that's that, that train left the station and that's gone.

And he says, no. He says The other day I was, I saw her. And, and she, she said something about you and he says I think she might [00:35:00] go to the Letterman's. We had always had the people who won letters in school had a party. Sure. Another party. Yeah. Um, I've lost count now. Yeah, I'm sure. And she he said, I think she would go with you.

I said, okay, I'll ask her. So I did. And she did. And that was the start of everything then. So she, um, she's a, she's a tough task master. She was tough on the kids. She was a lot tougher than I was. And that's probably another thing that helped the family stay together. They didn't run away from her, you know what I mean?

They, they listened to her, listen to me. It was it was a good situation.

Bill LuMaye: So, so it wasn't wait till your dad gets home, it's wait till your mom gets home in your house? Is that what you're saying?

Jim Stine: Yeah, maybe. Maybe. [00:36:00] And she would say, wait till your dad gets home, but then when I'd get home, she'd jump right in there.

Jim Baker: You gotta be on the same page, right?

Jim Stine: Yeah. Gotta be on the same page.

Jim Baker: Yeah. That's good. Um, and she also was. And your last recording, she took the job at Penn State to get the kids basically a discount or free tuition, right? Yeah, yeah. Which is genius.

Jim Stine: I I, I, I needed to tell you a, a story. The last time we talked, I told you about her losing all the calcium in her

Jim Baker: teeth.

Yeah.

Jim Stine: In her teeth. We, we were in, um, I was in the Navy in Arcia, Newfoundland. I was up there for two years, and during that period of time, she got pregnant and she lost all the calcium from her teeth. Oh man. So she had to come back to the states to get our teeth fixed up. [00:37:00] And this is a story on that. I I was only a first class and I, I'm actually, I was a third class.

I wasn't a first class, I was a third class radioman. And I didn't take enough money to have her. On a ship to pay, you know, pay the way to get her back here so you could, for a dollar a day, you could get on the Coast Guard cutter and, and they would bring her back to the States for a dollar a day. Oh wow.

And she lived in the, in great quarter she had, so the day that she was going to leave Argen, Newfoundland to come back here to the states, the weather in the ocean was terrible. And the ocean, when we, when you looked at the ocean, the, the, the, the Bay, Argen Bay was here. The base was on the ba was on [00:38:00] like a peninsula, and then the ocean was out this way.

Well, when you left the base to go out to where we lived in a little town called freshwater Newfoundland. When you left the base, you went up a big steep hill. And as I'm going up that hill, I, I, I run to stop and see, watch her ship leave. And I stopped and I parked there and I looked out and I saw her ship leaving the dock.

And she's going out through the bay. And the bay is pretty level, pretty even. But I saw, I could see the ocean. And the ocean was a mess. It was waves. I don't know how high they were, but they, there was a lot of storm there that day. And when I, when she went around [00:39:00] the corner around, left the bay and into the ocean, I thought she was in a submarine.

My God. She was under the water more. Oh goodness. Than she was on top. And I thought, oh, is she gonna make it? I mean, that was really tough.

Bill LuMaye: Oh, wow.

Jim Stine: But she did, she got, she got sick, she got seasick, and she wanted brag.

Bill LuMaye: They kept going. They kept going. They didn't turn around.

Jim Stine: No. They kept going. Wow. Yeah.

Well, they're the Coast guard. They, well, that's true. Yeah.

Bill LuMaye: Yeah. Yeah. They keep, you gotta keep that dollar too. Yeah, I was gonna say, a dollar a day would maybe not such a great deal right now. But you thought you were gonna lose her. You thought she Wow.

Jim Stine: I did. Well, that was, was really bad. And it was, did a lot of praying that day and it worked.

Yeah. And God, oftentimes it does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It listens a lot. Yeah. He, this is a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

Jim Baker: And her teeth obviously ended up getting fixed. Yeah. Yeah. She, and did she have any that problem again with the other pregnancies, or was [00:40:00] it just that one time? No,

Jim Stine: just that one time. Wow. Yeah.

Everything else was perfect,

Jim Baker: huh?

Jim Stine: Yeah. Yeah.

Jim Baker: Yeah. So, um. Anything else you wanna talk about?

Jim Stine: Stephanie, um, Mike's daughter, she had two children Zay, who is a super intelligent kid.

They have a little bit of concern for him over, I, I guess, you know, people can be too smart and they, they have problems in school, but he's doing, he's doing okay. Good. He's eight years old. His father's a musician in Nashville and he's taught Za wanted to learn how to play the drums. So Josiah, his [00:41:00] father has taught him how to play the drums, and I've watched him on, on the, on the, the phone, play the drums.

He does a great job. He knows what the heck he's doing. Wow. And he knows when to hit the symbols and all that stuff. He's good. And then they had a little daughter about four years later. Her name is Zoe, so his name is Zay. Her name is Zoe. And she is a rip. Oh my God. She is just a great little girl.

Have so much fun with her. She, um, she's a laugh a minute, you know? Yeah. I mean, and she knows it, but she's not a, she's not she's, she's not a bore with it. She, you, you, you like it, you enjoy it.

Bill LuMaye: Right, right. Yeah. She knows how to play grandpa.

Jim Stine: Yeah, she does. Yeah, she does. She does. And then Mike's son.

Michael, he had [00:42:00] two boys, and the one boy is three years old and he is one big boy. I mean, this kid is gonna be six five if he's a, if he's an inch. If right now he's, I mean, he's gotta be, oh, he's three or four feet tall right now. Oh. And, and then they just had a baby about two months ago, and you should see him.

He was, he's, I think he's gonna be bigger than the other boy. Holy mackerel. And of course, the mother is pretty good size. Not heavy, but just tall. Right. And um, and Michael Junior, he, he's, he's six five and, um, so they're a big, big, big family. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.

Jim Baker: Yeah. So my daughter. Kat married cj.

Okay. I [00:43:00] felt I'm an average size person. I felt like I was in a, I belong in a shoebox. I mean Oh, really? Because, oh, he's that big. This, the, this Chris and Jenny, um, they're big people and in a healthy way. Right. And but they also, um, Jenny's family's big, so it was like the, I felt like I was in the, you know, it was all the land of the tall people, land of the giants and, and CJ is six foot what?

Three? Something like that? Oh no, I think

Jim Stine: he's six four. Six five. Yeah. Yeah. So

Jim Baker: my grandkid from them potentially could be really tall, which would be great. But, um, if they get, I quite a lot of AR genes and he or she probably won't.

Jim Stine: You reminded me of, of, of another situation whenever, um Chris and Jenny were gonna get married.

They didn't get married in the church. They were gonna get married at the, um, justice of Peace at, in, in, um, [00:44:00] Baltimore. And so we all met at a hotel and we were gonna walk down to the, um, city hall. And I'm, I'm in the back with my family and Jenny and her family are up front and they're, they're all big people.

Yeah. And her father was pretty tall. Book guy, guy. And I look up and I, I, I think, oh my God, we're gonna have some big people here in this family. And that's what happened.

Bill LuMaye: I'll

Jim Baker: be darn. Yeah. Yeah. That's, it's amazing. So spirituality, you talk about being Catholic and everything else. Um, and Bill, I think, is, he's.

Highly, um, faithful and a Christian, but you're not a Catholic. And we tend to be like the McDonald's of the religion where, you know, yes, every mass is the same and you know, you go every Sunday and then you're supposed to go for the holy days, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. Um, and I will [00:45:00] give Catholic religion credit 'cause they were the first and, um from a Christianity standpoint, but how do you, I find that some of the other, the Baptists and other Christians are more knowledgeable in the Bible and what have you.

Um, they seem to be, you know, um, rushy, yeah. Their faith's more out in the open. Um, yeah. You know, from your perspective. Talk a little bit about your faith. Like what, what has driven you on the with the faith?

Jim Stine: Well, I, I found the Catholic church and the religion that was involved in that. To be something that I could get ahold of and do faithfully.

And, um, because my wife, she knew more about it than I did. She would help me with certain things. I'd ask her questions, she would be able to help me with it. She went to [00:46:00] Catholic school and um, grade school. She went to Catholic. She didn't go to No, she went to Catholic high school. I'm sorry. She did. Um, so that's, that's how I hung on to it.

And then when my son Mike, who is the oldest of my siblings or my children, he, he and his wife, their parents were Catholic, but they chose to go the bible route to learn to read the Bible and go by that. I didn't know what was going on there. Mike was in with, with Kmart and he was working in New Jersey and he came home one weekend and um, and something, oh, I know he said there's not gonna be a christening of [00:47:00] of Stephanie.

And I said why, what's going on? And I didn't know he had really left the church. And 'cause he didn't talk about it. And I didn't talk about it. And, um, that's when he told me and I said well wait a minute, Mike. I said you always thought that our family got along well and every, everybody was happy with everybody else.

And we, we lived good life and. And do you think that was a surprise? Do you think that just happened out of the blue that happened because I was, I went, I became a Catholic with your mother and that's why that happened. And he said, well, the Catholic church doesn't do it for me, dad. It doesn't give me what I want.

And so I respected that. And the, to this [00:48:00] day I respect that he's, he's a good man and but we don't have any Catholics in the family. I don't know. How about, how about Kat and cj? Or does c CJ goes to church, don't, yeah,

Jim Baker: yeah, yeah. And they got married in the Catholic church. They had a full mass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bill LuMaye: Well, I just wanna jump in here. And I almost became a priest. I'm just saying I was an altar. Oh yeah. So you were raised Catholic? Oh, absolutely. Went to Catholic. School and church, you know, every day before you started classes. Yeah. I was an altar boy. Yeah. And, um, learned the Latin, then they went to folk mass and that was kind of frustrating.

So I have a long history. I didn't like that either. No, I didn't either. You know, it was like, I didn't like that it lost something for me when, when they did that. Yeah. So so I know very well what the Catholic religion is, and I'm kind of getting back into that. And as well, I think it's, it's important.

I think your answer to your son was really quite [00:49:00] profound, that, you know, having that faith does an awful lot for the family, especially from the father. Um, and you're right. It doesn't happen by accident.

Jim Stine: No.

Bill LuMaye: At all. No. I dunno why I felt a need to clarify my Catholic belief, but I should have known that.

You should have known that. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah. I used to ring the bell.

Jim Stine: Yeah. Yeah. Well that's, that's the other thing. Mike. Mike was a Mike and Jim. They were Alder boys. Mm-hmm. And, um, their buddies. When you went to the rail, remember when you went to the rail? Yes. Remember when you stopped going to the rail?

Yes. Yeah, that was a, that was Pope John or somebody did that. I don't know. But anyhow, Mike, the, the, what do they call that? A plate or something? They called it, they had to the

Bill LuMaye: host and you had to catch the Yeah, you had that Protect the host. They jam it under somebody's throat. Yeah, yeah, of course. We all did that.

Did you do that? [00:50:00] Sure. Absolutely.

Jim Baker: Did you do that, Jim? I was a server also, but I'd never had to, I'd never jammed in somebody's throat. Oh. Oh. I mean, it was so, was sharp. It would cut. Were a good man.

Bill LuMaye: It would cut him. Oh, man. Well, I didn't jab it that hard. It was sharp. They, Mike did he

Jim Baker: nutcase? You didn't make crispy and ultra boy.

Jim Stine: It was gone by that time, but he didn't want to be.

Jim Baker: Oh, so you were a little easier on him than there too. I, you know,

Jim Stine: I, I hope I'm not telling lies that I, um, he might've been just starting and then stopped. Yeah. I don't know. I, I, I lost track.

Jim Baker: Makes sense. Yeah. Makes sense. I lost track. So we always end with the takeaways, right?

So Bill, I'm gonna let you handle the takeaways today with with Lou.

Bill LuMaye: Well, you know, as I sit here and I hear this family and, and your story, you have all this wisdom for people who are listening, and maybe they're starting off as a parent or [00:51:00] maybe they're struggling with an adult child. I mean, what do you think was the most important thing as you were raising?

I mean, what, what virtues did you want to store? What, what was the most meaningful thing to you as a parent? Love. Yeah, love was, I could almost have answered that for you. Yeah, that's what I saw too. Yeah.

Jim Stine: Yeah. That's what it was. Yeah. I didn't want them to go through life not having a hug.

Bill LuMaye: Well, it paid off.

They could always depend on you. I, um, I have a very important question though, who. Writes the birthday cards out every year. 'cause it sounds like it's a lot of work. Birthday cards. Birthday cards. It's kind of a joke. I was just curious. My wife, of course she does. Yeah,

Jim Stine: she does. She she has everybody's birthday down Yeah.

On the calendar. Never forget 'em, do you? No, no, no. You don't. And, and if she [00:52:00] didn't do that, you'd forget. I would forget, yeah. If she didn't do it. I, I go to the calendar and I said, okay, we got this going. You know? Yeah. So

Bill LuMaye: I could tell you, you going someplace

Jim Stine: with that.

Bill LuMaye: No, I was just having fun with that actually.

I was because, well, that is a lot of work. I mean, you've got a big, huge family and oftentimes you begin to forget to, to write the corridor or it becomes so big and maybe the great, great grandchild isn't isn't remembered. But but I, I should have known better. You know, you, you can see in through your words how much you love your family and how proud you are of them.

Um, you're at a point in your life now. You can look over your shoulder, how you grew up with your dad and the dangers that you had as a kid growing up. You see what's happening now. What are your thoughts about that? Any, any advice?

Jim Stine: Well [00:53:00] I don't want, I don't want to make this political because I just, but it, I, I think it needs to be said.

Um,

all of my children are conservative and I didn't make 'em that way. They grew up that way. They they learned business. They knew you had to work hard to get ahead. Nothing's given to you. And, and they learned. And I, and I remember Jim, I told you that about I. The boys, how they went out. They knew if they needed money, they went out, they got a job.

Mm-hmm. And they had jobs all through college and good jobs. In fact, they even got jobs. I was telling Jim they even got jobs, really good jobs before they left college. Yeah. So [00:54:00] and then, and then they just carried those on and, and became vice presidents of companies. And my son Mike was, he was the head of human resources for Kmart.

Sears. 'cause Kmart bought Sears. He became that. Then he went to work for Michael's Corporation and he became the head of human resources for Michael's corporation. My son Jim, he worked for a company called SMS out of I No, you went to Villanova. Yeah. So that's where he, that's where SMS was out of. Okay.

Shared Medical Systems was out of whatever that town is. Villanova? Yeah.

Jim Baker: Well, Villanova, Villanova is a town.

Jim Stine: Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. And, um, he he parlayed that into, um going to the, the Germans bought the company. [00:55:00] They sent him to school. He, he got a good education. He didn't get his degree, but he, he became, um, um, big almost ahead of sales for the whole company.

My son Chris wanna hear that story? Sure. Um, I worked for the Overhead Door Corporation and I was part of my job when I went there to help this guy that had. Given me a job in HR for another company. Um, he asked me to come with his company and he needed somebody in sales in the district manager area.

'cause we had a lot of franchises. Okay. Overhead Door had a lot of franchises, and, and so somebody had to push them. They didn't want to do that. They just wanted to make money. They didn't want to do the what, the dirty work [00:56:00] for the company. And so I had to push 'em to do it. And, and so Chris went down to Baltimore, followed a girl down there, had a bad job down there, wanted to get out of it, asked me if I would get him a job with the Overhead Door Company of Baltimore.

I said, no, Chris, I will not. I will get you an interview with them. Then they can do with you what they want. But I'm not gonna go to bat for you. I'm just, that's the best I'm gonna do for you.

Bill LuMaye: Wow. Yeah. I mean, that's awesome. That's the best thing you could have done for your son.

Jim Stine: So here's what I know.

Yeah. Because here's where I went.

Bill LuMaye: Yeah.

Jim Stine: So he, one day two, two people owned that company, Joe and Paul, and they, and they started the business from scratch with overhead doors [00:57:00] help in their franchise.

One day Joe calls me, he says, Lou, Chris, you didn't tell me that Chris was this good. He shows up here in a suit and tie. He, he's that handsome kid, he says. I went to Paul right away and I took Paul back there to meet him. He says, Paul, this guy's working for us from now on. He stayed, he's been there over 30 years.

Oh, wow. And he's, he's gonna be running that company 'cause Joe died. Paul doesn't wanna work anymore. So really Chris is telling Paul how to run the business. So that's where that is now. Oh

Bill LuMaye: wow.

Jim Stine: Yeah. Amazing. And that, that, that was a good story. I always liked that story because Chris did it on his own, you know?

Jim Baker: Wow. Yeah. And to your point, and that's would probably unusual today. Oh, [00:58:00] absolutely.

Bill LuMaye: One final question, if I could. What's it like with this guy now? He's, is this, well, I'm gonna tell you a story about this guy. This part of the, well, thank you. I'll tell you a story about this guy.

Jim Stine: Thank, we're at the rehearsal with the rehearsal dinner.

Jim Baker: Mm-hmm.

Jim Stine: Where, where were we?

Jim Baker: We were at some brewery in Raleigh. I can't remember the name of it. Yeah,

Jim Stine: yeah. And,

Jim Baker: um, beer Place. Of course, we wanted to keep the Steins happy. Absolutely.

Jim Stine: And, um, Monsignor

Jim Baker: Wall.

Jim Stine: Wall, you know him, but you're not he's a great guy. Okay, by the way. And so we're talking and Jim comes over and he sits down and he's talking, and we're all talking about how do we get this sort of life?

And, and, um, and I see Jim's head's starting to work, and all of a sudden he says yeah, he said [00:59:00] I think Father Wall asked you a question. And Jim says, yeah. He says one day Cath. Do you call her Cat? Or Catherine? Kat. Kat came home and said I, um, met this boy. I. And Jim says, what's his name?

And, and he says, Stein. And he immediately goes, S-T-E-I-N I'm sure in his head, right? 'cause that's the Jewish spelling, right. For Stein S-T-I-N-E is not Jewish. Right. And, and he, and he says, okay, it's fine. But that's what it is. If that's what she wants, that's what she's, and that's the way I I loved your answer, Jim.

I Yeah, I heard you say it and I I loved it. Yeah. And I've said it a couple times since.

Jim Baker: Yeah, it was it was, we were kind of laughing at the time 'cause we were, um. You know, it was Ka [01:00:00] stein, right? And it just didn't roll off the tongue. No. It had nothing to do with Judaism or anything like that. It just was Kat Stein.

And that's almost like Frankenstein in a way, right? Yeah. And, um, but yeah, it's that was kind of a funny story back then, but, and I did say this in my speech too. I'm like, I get the time. I'm like trying to figure out what Chris' CJ is like, and I said, is he tall? Because my kids, I knew that if the kid wasn't tall, the chances are the relationship probably wasn't gonna work.

And thankfully he checked that box too, and then he checked Catholicism, and I'm like, man, this guy's coming right outta central casting. Does he have a job? Yes. Great. All right, let's go. Let's,

Bill LuMaye: let's speed this thing up. Let's get the ring on. Let's time not. Right, right. Oh, that's wonderful. So

Jim Stine: yeah. Yeah.

They, they, they, so far, they've got a great marriage. Yeah, yeah,

Jim Baker: yeah. Perfect. They're having a baby any day now. So God, God bless them. And

Jim Stine: I keep trying to. I keep trying to weed out of them. Is there a name or anything and

Jim Baker: Yeah, they're keeping it quiet. Nothing.

Jim Stine: They won't [01:01:00] tell you anything. Yeah. Nope. No.

Jim Baker: Well, listen, this has been great. Um, thank you Lou as always, thank you for, I just wanna say you are way more popular than I am. 'cause that phone never stopped the entire time. So, um, God bless you for that.

Jim Stine: Gotta see who that is.

Bill LuMaye: I don't know.

Jim Baker: So until next time, um,

Bill LuMaye: absolutely pleasure meeting you. If you were going to order tea from this guy, how would you do it?

How would, how would he do it? He might want to give it another shot. Just has to get on the website. 50 cups tea.com.

Jim Stine: Yeah, that, that's, I didn't understand all that either. When, when you, when you, um, um. Bought a hole for the first, for not this last golf tournament, but they won before that.

Jim Baker: Right, right.

Jim Stine: And you had 50 cups of tea,

Jim Baker: right?

Jim Stine: I knew you were, you were in the tea business. But I didn't know [01:02:00] exactly what was going on. Yeah.

Jim Baker: So I had a store and then um, I got out of the retail part of it 'cause it was brutal. It was torture. And um, some people love retail. Jim Bakker doesn't. It's just wholesale now. And online. So you can order it online if you want some tea.

But I know you're not gonna be one of my customers. 'cause you are a beer guy. It's delicious Coffee. You may have just got one that didn't appeal.

Jim Stine: I better not say anything.

Jim Baker: My tea was all about. Organic and health and there's no sugar and, um, you're basically just drinking liquified grass or leaves, um, in my world. Um, so that's probably why, that's probably why I'm not taking off at this point in time. So, but no, two totally different concepts.

Jim Stine: And what, what took you into that business?

Jim Baker: I just love tea and I felt like I was being discriminated against in all the coffee shops because they would go to the grocery store, buy a box of tea and then sell it to you for three bucks. Yeah. And I'm like, that's, they had about 10 cents worth of tea in it, so I wanted mine to [01:03:00] taste better.

And you get more tea when you buy stuff, so something for me. So it's very, yeah. I,

Jim Stine: about the only tea I have is sweet tea when I go to the restaurant or, or something.

Jim Baker: Correct. Yes. You and my mom. I think that's your generation. Yes. And you both are alive, so maybe I should start guzzling down. Sweet tea.

Could be. Well, it's been a very, it's been a pleasure and yes, thank you so much. God bless you. God bless your family. Thank you. Thank you.

Jim Stine: Thank you. [01:04:00]