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Two friends – Dave Gerhardt (@davegerhardt) and Casey Ford (@fordpr) – share their love of golf in podcast form as they talk shop & chat with those who have made golf their long game.
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Dave Gerhardt:Hey. It's Dave. Real quick before we get into into this episode. We had 2 awesome guests here on the long game pod. We had Bryce Mooney and Sam Adnazio.
Dave Gerhardt:These are 2 guys from the world of long drive. And just to give you some context about when we talk about long drive, this isn't your friend in your group who hits it far. These guys are, I would say, if I could be polite about this, absolute freak. So Sam, interestingly enough, he's a doctor in natural medicine, but he's also number 22 in the world in long drive. He is one of only 2 people in the world to have ever hit 240 mile an hour ball speed.
Dave Gerhardt:He also hit, like, a 375 yard drive with his putter, which we talk about on the pod. Bryce is a former college pitcher. He touches 140, just hitting the ball naturally. He hits 3 iron, 285 yards. He himself has touched 220 miles an hour ball speed.
Dave Gerhardt:It's an awesome conversation because we talked about the world of long drive. We talked about speed training. We talked about the sequin the proper sequencing of the golf swing. And these guys started a business in this space called Speed Toad. So they're also entrepreneurs.
Dave Gerhardt:Casey and I had a blast doing this episode. We are looking forward to having more guests on because it's been fun to bring in people, authors, entrepreneurs, long drive guys, coaches, anyone from around the golf world we've been having a blast talking to for this pod. So enjoy our conversation with Sam and Bryce.
Casey Ford:Alright. When Dave and I started this podcast, a few months ago, our goal was to kinda talk to people all across the golf landscape. Today is no different. Very excited because I personally don't have a lot of background on the world of long drive, distance, and speed training, but these guys do. Wanna please welcome to the show pro long drivers, Bryce Mooney and Sam Adonasio.
Casey Ford:I think I pronounced that correctly, did I?
Sam Attanasio:Yeah.
Casey Ford:Nailed it. Nailed it, Dave.
Dave Gerhardt:Welcome, guys. Good to have you. Good to have some long hitters, some big hitters on the pod.
Casey Ford:For a change. Yeah.
Sam Attanasio:For a
Dave Gerhardt:woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah.
Dave Gerhardt:Woah. Hold on. Hold on.
Casey Ford:I'm talking about myself. Alright. Alright. Cool. Well, first, just set the stage a little bit.
Casey Ford:I think our audience may be coming from the same perspective as us of not knowing a whole lot about this world. So brag about yourselves. If it's more comfortable to brag about each other, maybe that's that's easier. But, who are you guys? What's your what's your status in the world of long drive?
Casey Ford:And just let us know.
Bryce Mooney:I'll brag on Sam and then Sam Sam can try his best. It's not very easy to brag on me. How about that?
Casey Ford:Perfect.
Bryce Mooney:So Sam is, a young gun. He, is a doctor in naturopathic medicine. Is that right? Did I say that right?
Sam Attanasio:Natural medicine. Yeah.
Bryce Mooney:Natural medicine. Doctor Sam Adzenasio. So not only am I the slower of the 2 when we work out, I'm also the less intelligent. So I just feel great about myself every Monday when we train together. Sam is ranked, I think, 22nd in the world in, WLD World Long Drive.
Bryce Mooney:He was the 2nd man to ever eclipse 240 mile an hour ball speed. 240. It's insane. When I'm standing there while we train it, some like, if I'm not ready for impact, if I'm, like, looking over here and I don't know he's swinging, I will hit the deck taking cover because it's just ridiculously loud. He let's see.
Bryce Mooney:Best pro finish last year was 3rd place. What am I missing, Sam?
Sam Attanasio:I mean, I think you nailed that.
Bryce Mooney:You doing good about yourself?
Casey Ford:It's hard to follow.
Dave Gerhardt:How are you 2, how did you 2 get connected? What's what's your background, Bryce?
Bryce Mooney:Go ahead, sir.
Dave Gerhardt:Well, let
Sam Attanasio:let me brag on Bryce here. So Bryce has no business being in long drive. I say that because he says it all the time. He was a baseball player in college. He was a pitcher, and and then went to run-in marathons for I make fun of him for being old, so at least, like, 40 or 50 years.
Sam Attanasio:And after that, he was just golfing. Hit the ball a long ways, and his buddies at the country club said, you know what? You should start looking in the long drive. Like, see what you can do. And he was at, like, a 124, 126 miles per hour club speed.
Sam Attanasio:And then within, like, a few months, I mean, he climbed up to touching almost 140, and that's when we met. We actually met online. He commented on a post, and I was like, who's this guy? And I clicked on his profile, and it pops up, and it says that he lives in Franklin, Tennessee. And I'm in Columbia, Tennessee, so I'm just, like, 20 minutes away from him.
Sam Attanasio:So I reached out to him. I was like, hey. You wanna come train in my garage?
Casey Ford:And he was like, yeah. That sounds great. And just like that, we've been training together for
Sam Attanasio:a year and a half. So, Bryce, now, after we started training together, he's eclipsed 220 miles per hour ball speed. We're not gonna release what he's actually at now because we're chasing some big numbers, so stay tuned for that one. But his longest drive last year in competition was 433, and he's been at the world championships his first two years in the sport. So, I mean, it doesn't get much better than that.
Casey Ford:Dave, this scares me a little bit. This is kinda your story exactly up until someone at the country club saying, you should get into long drive. But go ahead, Dave.
Dave Gerhardt:Let's go, Bryce. Okay. I got so many case. I'm just gonna take it from here. I got so many I have so many, so many follow ups.
Dave Gerhardt:There's so many different directions we we could go in here. So what's really funny is I actually just came back this morning. So I work out with this guy. His name's Adam Picard. I'm up here in Vermont.
Dave Gerhardt:And Adam is I'm gonna send him this because he's almost it's almost exactly the same story. He's a very he was a very good d one college baseball player. He hits the shit out of the ball. Like, he's the guy that when he when he swings driver, everyone around him, you know, hears it. And he got into he's a personal trainer, but he got into golf specific fitness.
Dave Gerhardt:And so I've been working out with him for a couple years. He's really into speed training. He swings it at 130. He's in the 130, 140 range. And I'm trying to tell him what Sam told you, and the guys at your club told you.
Dave Gerhardt:I'm like, dude, you should make this your thing. Like, you're an athlete. You it's not natural because of the way the body moves. Like, it's not natural to time it up and be able to release the club and swing it at 130, 140. If you can do that, like, let let's make this happen.
Dave Gerhardt:So I'm just I wanna hear, like, you you had natural speed, but there's so much to the golf swing where being you know, you look at golf. Like, you you look at you see this on Instagram all the time. I see a video of, like, Dwayne Wade, freak athlete, but can't swing a golf club more than, you know, 80 miles an hour. Talk to me about just the mechanics of the actual swing and, like, how how how how much the fundamentals matter here? Because to get to 220 to 40 ball speed, you can't be hitting this thing on the on the low part of the face and hit a spinny cut.
Dave Gerhardt:Like, you gotta be you still gotta be you know, that that's gotta be a 1.51.48 smash factor. You gotta be hitting this thing in the center of the club. So it's not just pure speed. I wanna hear about, like, how do you how do you harness that? You take someone that has this raw speed.
Dave Gerhardt:Where do the mechanics go from here?
Bryce Mooney:So I'll kick it off, and then Sam can get into, like, the doctor aspect of it. But it's so the the the d one baseball player, there's not a coincidence a lot of long drivers are for former ball players. The rotational strength and fast twitch, it it translates very well. But to your point about ball striking and you actually have to have a good golf swing, you know, a a base level of strength is really important in producing speed, but even more so a well sequenced and well timed golf swing is the only way you can get faster and and get to whatever that next threshold of speed you're looking to get to is to better sequence your swing. And so that's why you find people that as they gain speed, they have a better sequence sit swing and their ball striking improves and their handicap goes down, their scoring gets better because in nature, a faster swing is a better sequence, better time swing, which is better for all of golf.
Bryce Mooney:But, Sam, what did I miss?
Dave Gerhardt:Well, hold on. Before you say that, you said the word. I was gonna use this as a bridge. There's gotta be some connection between Sam being a doctor in natural medicine and the kinematic sequence and how important that is to the golf swing and why this guy is 22 in the world and only one of one of only 2 people to touch 240 mile an hour ball speed. So with that context, Sam, how did this where did these two worlds collide for you?
Sam Attanasio:So for me, my background was personal training. Actually got a master's in exercise science. I was doing stuff with cold lasers and then went into natural medicine and, did my dissertation on cold lasers boosting human performance in the gym. So all of that stuff's kinda revolving around human performance, and it really took you know, when we're talking about better sequencing and different stuff, there's a big gap in this industry between book knowledge and real life application because I came into the sport saying, I know everything I need to do. I studied every single book.
Sam Attanasio:I got all my passing grades. This is what every single person is telling me I need to do to get faster.
Casey Ford:And then all
Sam Attanasio:of a sudden, you get to 200 ball speed, and it stops working. You get to 205, and you need to figure out something else. You get to 210, and another thing doesn't work. And that's where, like, we have a benefit of training together that everything that I went through probably 6 months before Bryce gets there, he then gets to go through the same thing and experiences the same thing. So we're kinda doubling up on what works and what doesn't work, and we're talking about, strength and all of that stuff.
Sam Attanasio:There's a certain application that you know when you said, like, guys like Dwyane Wade can't swing really fast, but then there's also the other end of the spectrum where you get the freak athlete like take Tim Tebow. He can pick up a golf club and be 200 ball speed like that, which he did in the Bryson video, but he can't go faster than 205. He's stuck there, and that's where we talk about better sequence in the swing. He's a muscle it guy. He relies on his strength to be efficient, and in golf, you don't want big muscles to actually be efficient.
Sam Attanasio:You want your little fast twitch type 2 x muscle fibers to be extremely fast and efficient, which is where over speed training comes into the case, which is why we developed SpeedToad for that because that better sequences your swing. And, ultimately, the better sequence swing equals more speed, but it also equals better ball striking Because, obviously, you have to push a little bit faster in speed training. We can talk about all about speed training, what that takes. But when you get to a certain point of raising your ceiling, your base moves up. And as that base moves up, that's where you're finding the center of the club face every single time, and it doesn't feel like anything.
Sam Attanasio:You're swinging 90% and just smoothing it down the middle type of feel, but it's faster.
Dave Gerhardt:So I wanna, I wanna talk about over speed and speed training and get into what you guys are doing with SpeedToad, but I wanna hear from you, Sam. Like, how did you learn how did you learn the how did you learn the proper sequencing? Right? This is there there is, like, endless videos on YouTube and content about this. I'm just curious to hear, like, when you decided to kind of go after this world a little bit and marry these two passions of yours, What were the resources you learned?
Dave Gerhardt:And maybe for people that are listening that might not know, can you actually talk about the kinematic sequence in the golf swing and what that means?
Sam Attanasio:So, ultimately where I learned it from was trial and error because Bryce and I sat in my garage, tried every single thing, and typically speaking, every single thing you find online doesn't work. And the reason for that is not because it's wrong. It's just wrong for you as an individual. Every single person has a different body, a different neuromuscular structure, and a different basically, they're all at different places. To to to dumb it down, everybody has different muscles, different length of muscles, and different timing of stuff.
Sam Attanasio:So to be able to say a one size fits all of you need to do this, and that's how you gain speed, it it's typically pretty wrong in the sense of it'll work for 1 out of 10 people maybe or 1 out of a 100 people. And the only way you can figure that out is by, a, working with a really good coach who understands you individually and goes, okay. You need to do this. Let's figure out how we can get that to happen or trial and error by yourself. And that's what Bryce and I did.
Sam Attanasio:We didn't work with any coaches. We just started working. And I give an example of this, of when I said try different things. We're working on Bryce and I are always working on a technique of dropping the club into the slot, which is, essentially, you can't put speed in the top of your swing. If you're in the top of your backswing and you start putting speed, you're gonna throw it over the top.
Sam Attanasio:You're gonna cast it. You're gonna use big muscles, and it's gonna be slow at impact. You only have to be fast at impact. So with all that being said, how do we get that to happen? And both of us need that to happen, but it's in completely different ways.
Sam Attanasio:For me, the feel is I have to feel like my hands drop in the slot before I actually start my swing. Whereas for him, he has to feel like his left shoulder shoots backwards. 2 completely different feels that you would never see online, but they apply the exact same principle of getting the club in the spot in the spot to wow. Getting the club in the slot to put speed at the ball. As you can tell, my brain operates a lot faster than my mouth does, so I'll get tongue tied a lot talking about this stuff.
Casey Ford:It's better. It's a cool a cool
Bryce Mooney:feature about yeah. The cool one of the cool things about speed training is a better sequence swing will be faster. And so as you try to find what feels translate to better sequencing in the kinematic sequence, when you do it right with a certain feel and you get the feedback from the radar like, oh, you just gained 2 miles an hour. That was a better sequence swing and here was my feel. So let me try that again.
Bryce Mooney:You know, that trial and error of what feels turn into another mile an hour or 2 kind of reinforces your better sequencing, your swing.
Sam Attanasio:And the best part of that is when you do it correctly, it usually is faster and feels like you put less effort into it.
Dave Gerhardt:So it's a per perfect segue. So, I I don't swing it as fast as you guys, but I would say compared to the average guy that I play with, I swing it 115, 116, 17, which is which is pretty decent. And well, yeah, if you look at those numbers. And so, Dave Jankowski is my coach who listens to podcasts. I gotta say that every time because I know he's gonna be in his car, like, smashing the windshield if I, you know, don't admit the flaws.
Dave Gerhardt:But I could swing it really fast, but I would take the club back too far, and I would hold the face. And so I would swing it kinda steep and left and and hold the face just kinda like a old baseball habit. And so, especially with driver, one of the things he's really working we're really working on is, like, he's like, you gotta let that thing go. He's like, you gotta release the club head. He's like that with driver, the club head has to outpace your hands.
Dave Gerhardt:And I've been working on this and finally starting to get that feel, and it's exactly what you said. When I can use my my wrist and, like, keep, you know, hinge it right and and release the wrist through impact, I can get about 5 to 7 miles an hour of speed, and I feel like I'm swinging it half of the speed as when I take it way back here and I try to swing it this way. And so that was like it's so cool. I'm so addicted to golf right now because it is this unbelievable process of trial and error, and it's cool that you guys are buddies and, like, you you need somebody else. And then to build on something that you both kinda hinted on this this idea of swing your own swing.
Dave Gerhardt:Another thing that Dave gets mad about when I send him is I'll send him a video on Instagram of, like, Brooks' left wrist. And he's like, dude, don't stop sending me this shit. This is not this does not apply to you. This is you know, golf is all about patterns and different matchups, and so it's just cool to hear how you guys have different approaches here. And it's like, look.
Dave Gerhardt:I love YouTube. I love golf. I love watching that stuff, but it really is, like, everyone, especially with the golf swing, because it is so body dependent. We are all gonna be so different that you can't just watch a video about how to do x and go and apply it. You need to actually go through trial and error and figure out, like, what the right matchups for you are.
Bryce Mooney:Yeah. My pitching coach growing up always said, you know, if there was one best way to pitch a baseball, every pitcher in the big leagues would look that exact same way. There's commonalities amongst them that everybody holds true certain principles. But man, everybody's body is different. Everybody's joints, the way they work are different and, yeah, swing your own own swing.
Bryce Mooney:Mine sucks, so I'm gonna swing it.
Casey Ford:So, I'm gonna keep asking questions that are I'm gonna pretend are for the audience, but they're really just for me. So That's
Dave Gerhardt:why we started this podcast, dude. Yeah.
Casey Ford:With folks in the audience that don't know the the kind of world you guys are in, can you explain just how the, I don't wanna call it the tour, but how how do competitions work? How does qualifying work? What's the timeline? What's your master's? I assume it's the championship in, what is it, Atlanta in the summer, but set the stage.
Sam Attanasio:Go ahead, Bruce.
Bryce Mooney:So last year, there were 10 events, all the way from as west as Denver and Utah, all the way up to Connecticut down to Florida. This year, there are 6 events, and then they have a few different what we're calling majors. The one next month in California in March, that'll be on, I believe, golf channel. Another one in June or July up in Canada, which will be on ESPN and Golf Channel. And then the World Championships in Atlanta, which will be on, I think, Golf Channel and ESPN as well.
Bryce Mooney:So the sport is growing, which is exciting. But, yeah, there's 6 different, tournaments and and essentially with other qualifiers. So the top, I believe it's 30 ranked hitters automatically qualify for the world championships. And then there are also what we call regional tournaments and the top 5 finishers of those tournaments also qualify for the world championships. So there's a few different avenues there.
Bryce Mooney:And and and a tournament is it's really, really fun to watch, especially in person. There's usually 64 hitters, and there's it's a round robin format until you get to the final 8 or 16. And then it's heads up, man. It's like it's the adrenaline, the, intensity when you're going heads up against somebody. Last year in Kingsport, Tennessee, one of our last tournaments before worlds, I have never been so juiced and I wasn't even hitting.
Bryce Mooney:I was in the stands and Sam versus Kyle Berkshire heads up, And the winner made the final 8, which got on golf channel. And I was so, like, into it. It was just so much fun to watch. I can't imagine the adrenaline that Sam had going heads up against Kyle. He fell, I think, just 4 yards short of getting onto the golf channel.
Bryce Mooney:But I think you you're you hit a ball and play, like, what, like 227 or something, like 227 miles an hour. That's adrenaline right there.
Casey Ford:And and Kyle's kind of the current GOAT in that in in this world right now?
Sam Attanasio:Yeah. The active one. Yes.
Bryce Mooney:The active one. Yeah.
Dave Gerhardt:Yeah. Who has better calves, though?
Sam Attanasio:Kyle's got some tanks
Casey Ford:on his head. I was like Man, I was
Sam Attanasio:Jake Jason Zubac would be considered probably I think everybody kinda considers him the godfather of long drive. Well, it's somebody else, but he's considered the goat of long drive still. But Kyle might give him a run for his money. We'll see. I believe Zubac has it 6 world championships, I think, and Kyle's now at 3.
Sam Attanasio:I mean, they're we're talking I mean, this is like Michael Jordan versus LeBron James type type of debate in the long drive world. A little bit less famous, I guess, you could say than that. But
Casey Ford:Who does that make you then? We might get yourself a title. You got it, Benton. Let's go. Scottie Scottie could hold it down.
Casey Ford:Okay.
Sam Attanasio:The guy who thinks he's pretty good, does pretty good, but doesn't get a lot of credit for anything.
Dave Gerhardt:Love that.
Casey Ford:So obviously you guys train so much for, for, for distance, but talk to me a little bit about accuracy. The best tour pros are are hitting 70% of the fairways. In competition, what's the percentage you guys are what's a good percentage there?
Sam Attanasio:So percentage wise, I mean, they did this at, not this last championship, but the, 2022 world championships. The top guys were sitting at about 50 to 60% accuracy in the grid. And keep in mind, they're hitting 6 balls every set. And then the lower end guys were probably in the, like, 20% to 30% range. Obviously, there's some outliers who are lower who just have bad days and stuff.
Sam Attanasio:You got one thing you gotta keep in mind with that is the faster your swinging, say your club face is open 1 degrees, all of a sudden at 2:30 ball speed, that thing's a 100 yards to the right. It has to be so precise to be able to hit it in the fairway. And I'm not one of the most accurate guys out there. I hit my garage too much for that. I need some outdoor flighting, but the focus has been on speed so far, and then can shift focuses.
Sam Attanasio:But there's some guys out there that guys like, you know, Eddie Fernandez, Jacob Golladay, a couple of long drivers that just fill the grid. I mean, 5 or 6 balls a set consistently at high ball speeds. They're just crazy good golfers.
Casey Ford:And you mentioned someone having a bad competition day. What's the difference between a good competition day and a bad competition day yardage wise?
Sam Attanasio:Yardage wise, it's more about going OB. Like Yeah. If obviously, there's people, who are gonna hit short shots or something like that and not like the ones that they hit in play. But typically speaking, like, if one of us connects on a ball, it's gonna be in play that's gonna be in play, it's gonna go pretty far. It's more so that you just feel off in your swing.
Sam Attanasio:Maybe your speed's not there because you got a bad night's sleep or travel messed up, something like there's a lot of outliers, but it's usually the types where you hit, say, 5 sets in the round robin. And 2 or 3 of those sets, you go OB, which you get 0 points when you go OB. So it's very difficult to advance unless you're winning if you go in OB. What do you think, Bryce?
Bryce Mooney:Just like go
Casey Ford:ahead. Go ahead.
Bryce Mooney:Just like most sports, you know, game of inches, my world championships last year is a good example of that. You know, we're hitting it. It was midday. There's no wind and not much rollout. We're hitting it about 370 yards was a good drive in my in my time slot.
Bryce Mooney:I, my first set I tied for 1st place literally to the yard tied for 1st place. My second set I got 2nd place by 1 yard. And and so and then I missed that cut. So, essentially, out of 5 sets, I missed making the cut by 1 and a half yards. It's just a crazy margin of error sometimes.
Casey Ford:That's crazy. Is there a preferred ball flight in competition?
Bryce Mooney:It depends mostly depends on the wind. If you have a helping wind, you're a little bit more generous on spin, you're okay with a 24, 25 100 spin, getting that ball up in the air and letting it letting it carry. But if there's any sort of hurt wind, you really can't have that spin above 2,000, and you've gotta launch it a little bit lower with no spin depending on the rollout. It it there's a lot of intricacies depending on the conditions, that you really need to be a good ball striker in addition to speed.
Sam Attanasio:Yeah. A lot of people think long drivers are just like, we'll go up there and swing as fast as we can and mash it, which we do in speed training, certainly. But when you're there and we're talking about the top guys, like, the things that people don't see is we walk the grid before competition, and we look for the hills and the valleys and where you wanna land it and kick it back in the grid to stay in because there are shots that you'll hit right right down the center, especially when we're playing on the golf course that kicks OB or something to 400 yards. And just what happened, it was straight down the middle just because it's unlucky. So you'll sit going, okay.
Sam Attanasio:I need to hit a draw up the right side of the grid into this here this hill here carrying 380 to get the release and the rollout, and it needs to be a mid flight for the altitude that we're at. So I'm gonna use this competition setup and this swing, and there are so many different aspects of long drive that people don't see. And when it's on TV, they just see us. We stand up there, we swing hard, and we hit a lot of OB. That's kinda what people see, but they don't see the actual metrics behind everything.
Dave Gerhardt:But do you see that's a great question, Casey. That was one of my things I was trying to get in there. But do you see a shot shape? Like, as a golfer, you must see, like, I see a cut.
Sam Attanasio:Oh, absolutely.
Dave Gerhardt:Okay.
Bryce Mooney:Yeah. I was fighting the the power cut last year, all year. I just couldn't get that out of my head. Don't call it a power cut.
Dave Gerhardt:And did just give me, give me some sense just because I'm, I wanna geek out on the metrics a little bit. Like, what is your you hit a power cut in a long drive competition. What is your swing direction look like?
Bryce Mooney:Mine was like probably negative 3 at that point, which was too much. Now I'm back up to, like, plus 3, which I love where I'm at compared to last year. But I was probably swinging out to n 3. Sam, on the other hand, is crazy. He's he's swinging in to out probably in competition, what, 6, 7 degrees?
Sam Attanasio:Yeah. My swing last year in competition was aim up the right side of the fairway, hit a, like, 6 degrees in the out with a closed club face. So I hit this little, like, pole draw right down the middle, and it was just BBs at, like, 7 degrees launch.
Dave Gerhardt:And it just must have no when you catch one of those good ones with that swing direction, you just have one of those no spin, like, no spin little hooks. It just rot you catch one of those mounds and it runs forever.
Sam Attanasio:Yep. Exactly.
Dave Gerhardt:But hey, Bryce. Did you does was minus 3, like, swinging it left, which is minus 3, was that kind of the max of can you be successful swinging it more than that? Or you're just gonna be creating too much spin?
Bryce Mooney:You know, I think it largely depends on the golfer, but I think most people are gonna struggle, anything outside of minus 2, probably. And that goes back to like what Sam was talking about with my left shoulder. I hadn't found that feel yet of what it took to get my hands lower in the slot to get more down the line or end out. But to be, you know, competitively anything less than that because our our drivers are delofted so much. I mean, we're competing at, like, 2 and a half degree drivers.
Bryce Mooney:Because if you are more than minus 2 with a basically flat face, you get so much side spin that it's going it's going out of bounds, and it's not traveling as far either. So, yeah, the the margin of error is just very little.
Dave Gerhardt:But but it's okay to swing it the the other way. So Sam can swing it 6 degrees right to left. The the the way of the physics of the golf swing work in a circle, it's okay to swing it out that way.
Sam Attanasio:I'm kind of an outlier on that. Typically speaking, in competition, you'd wanna hang between negative 2 and positive 2 because that gives you the best chance to have success hitting it in play. I went into the most competitions this year as the, if I get one in play, it's going to be a bomb, and I don't care about anything else. So that's where I got you you're gonna typically have your most your you'll have your fastest swings in the out. And the reason for that is a lot of times when you are swinging out to in, it's a swing flaw that causes that.
Sam Attanasio:You're either dragging it through the zone. You're throwing it a little bit over the top. You're not being efficient in your transition. There's a lot of different ways that can cause that. So if I'm trying to be as efficient as possible and swing as fast as possible, I'm gonna wanna be in to out, respectively.
Bryce Mooney:If you think about the the physics of the golf club, the second your club head goes over plane, goes out to in, you lose that flex in your shaft that you've created, the lag. The second that club head goes over plane, that shaft that was flexed is now straight. And so you lose club head speed and ball speed as well.
Dave Gerhardt:Let's let's talk about let's give some people like the average golfer that listens to this, like, separate from speed training. Just I wanna hear you guys talk about just the philosophy of hitting driver. Like, there's there's even there's so much that I didn't know about how driver is a different swing, how you have to hit up on it. Let's give some advice just to the average person listening to this about just, like, the philosophy of driver that's going to help them hit it further.
Sam Attanasio:Yeah. I mean, just in a blanket statement. I mean, we just talked earlier about how good coaches don't necessarily give blanket statements or something, but so here's a couple blanket statements.
Dave Gerhardt:Yeah. That's what I want. This is a classic doctor move. That was a that was a a a legal disclaimer for the
Casey Ford:golf club.
Bryce Mooney:Liability waiver.
Sam Attanasio:But a lot of average golfers that struggle I mean, typically golfers are gonna struggle with that left to right shot, kinda like a slice. A lot of people put too much spin on the golf ball. Best way to hit it longer is increase your angle of attack because naturally speaking, if you're at negative 5, which is hitting down on the golf ball, you want to do that with irons. You don't wanna do that with the driver. That's where the different swing that you just said comes in.
Casey Ford:Can you
Dave Gerhardt:can you explain why? I actually find most people don't even know that. Can you explain why? Why do you wanna hit down with an iron? Why do you wanna hit up with a driver?
Sam Attanasio:So it's compression, and you want irons to spin to get up in the air. So you're essentially compressing the ball, which is pinching the ball. So if the ball's here and you slap down on it, it'll spin up the club face and go up in the air. With the driver, you have lower loft. You wanna take spin off of it.
Sam Attanasio:So if you come in this direction and launch it in the air, it's almost creating it's not a knuckleball, but it takes the spin off of it, so it acts like that. And Trackman did a whole bunch of studies on this and found at every different club speed, and you can look this stuff up, what the optimal carry distance is at different angles of attack and what it does to spin and ball speed. Ball speed goes up when the angle of attack goes up, and also distance does. So at negative 5, you're losing probably 20 yards of carry. At 0, you're pretty even.
Sam Attanasio:And at plus 5 angle of attack, you're gonna gain about 20 yards depending on your club speed. So the best way to do that is swing up on the ball. So bump that ball up in your stance. It's kind of a cheat code to hitting up on it a little bit. That's one super easy way that you can, gain some distance.
Sam Attanasio:Another is, forward pressing your hands just a little bit, and this is counterintuitive to a lot of what philosophies are. You'd wanna do that with irons. The reason I say that is a lot of amateurs that I see struggle with flippy wrists, and that's weak impact. So if you strengthen or if you forward press your hands just a little bit at address, you're actually lowering your dynamic loft at impact. And dynamic loft is, say, your driver is a 10 degree loft.
Sam Attanasio:At impact, it might be 20 because you're flipping your hands. So that's when, especially from the outside if you're swinging from the outside, you get this really weak flary slice out to the right versus driving the ball straight. So if you can lower your dynamic loft a little bit, that's where you get a little bit more penetrating of a ball flight, and you'll find a lot of amateurs just by making those two changes, swinging up on it a little bit, and also lowering their dynamic loft a little bit can have a lot more success in hitting the ball far. What do you think, Bryce?
Bryce Mooney:Give me
Sam Attanasio:a couple of your tips.
Bryce Mooney:You know, I a lot of guys I play with, are guilty of this. I think the easiest, quickest way to do what Sam's talking about is to raise your tee heights. I think on average, the average golfer tees their driver too low. And if you think about just simply, if the driver if the ball is teed very low, it's going to be very difficult to hit up on it because there's no room to get underneath the golf ball. So you're gonna hit down on the golf ball and it's going to hit low on your club face, which means the ball will quite literally ride up your club face, which creates more spin.
Bryce Mooney:It takes getting used to, but I feel like a lot of people can afford to give it another half inch of tee height, which will make it a lot easier to hit up on the ball. And you'll see 10, 15 yards like that just because you're teeing it up higher and hitting up on it another couple degrees.
Sam Attanasio:And off that, a lot of people might say, well, Tiger Woods doesn't tee the ball up high. You're right. He's a phenomenal golfer, and he's not looking for distance. He wants accuracy. And the more spin you have, the easier it is for the ball to stay in the fairway.
Sam Attanasio:But when people are only swinging 80 miles an hour, 90 miles an hour, a 100 miles an hour, spins your enemy. You want to be able to hit the ball further. That's how you're gonna score better. It's not keeping it in the fairway because there's bunch of studies done on distance lowering score. But for every 10 yards you gain off the tee, ultimately, you'll drop your handicap by about 1.8 to 2 strokes.
Sam Attanasio:So the typical average golfer, tee the ball a little higher, swing up on it, start hitting the ball further, and you're gonna lower your scores and have a lot more fun. As well as every 3 yards you hit additional off the tee, you can afford to be 1 yard less accurate and still score the same score. So that is a huge factor, and I don't want that to be understated because if you're hitting the ball further, you could be less accurate and still score better because you now have that distance advantage.
Casey Ford:And Bryce, we were talking earlier, you were saying that kind of contrary to maybe some, some people in your, in the long drive world, both you and Sam actually love the game too, playing. So talk a little bit about what your games are like when you're not, you know, training and and did, speed training and going for distance? What's, like, a typical round? How often are you guys playing, enjoying, all that stuff? Do do you carry handicaps?
Bryce Mooney:Yeah. So my every week I'm a, like, I'm a routine guy. I thrive off routines. So Monday I'm training in Sam's garage because I'm old the rest of the week is recovering from that training day. And then Friday is my my day I play 18 holes with my buddies.
Bryce Mooney:So my handicap is 4 right now. 4.0. I have never been in the threes. I need one more good round. I think I have, like, 3 more rounds before, you know, another good score gets dropped.
Bryce Mooney:So, I it's my man, it's I just enjoy being outside. Probably my baseball up ringing, like, being outside, walking on the grass, talking with your buddies. It's just I mean, that's that's the way I love ending my week. And then, yeah, just so Monday long drive training, and then Friday, I play my 18 holes and lose $30 usually, but that's okay.
Casey Ford:Do you have a separate set of clubs for, like, a separate driver for playing recreationally versus long drive?
Bryce Mooney:So I actually, last year I struggled with that because I did. I had a very stiff and accurate setup for my Friday round. And then my long drive setup was, lighter weight, more whippy shaft, lower loft and going back and forth, just kicked my butt. And so this year I've actually, I only use driver on the course, I think one hole and I just use my 3 iron off the tee. And so I'll play our course.
Bryce Mooney:I play at, the same course University of Vanderbilt plays at. So I get to see, like, on the range, I get to see Gordon Sargent doing his thing, and that's just unbelievably beautiful sight to see as I have a beer. But, so I, you know, I'll play a 7 1,000 yard course, and I only hit driver once. I just hit 3 iron about 280 yards, and I'm pretty accurate with it because it's you know, I get to compress the ball like Sam was saying. And so it's kinda weird.
Bryce Mooney:I only have 12 I only really play with 12 clubs in my bag, which is weird. But, yeah, it's unique. But, that's what I'm gonna roll with this year. That way I don't have to go back and forth between 2 different drivers.
Dave Gerhardt:Did you ever just just devil's advocate. You ever think that maybe adding 2 more clubs might help?
Bryce Mooney:I so I go
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Casey Ford:Use all the weapons you got, man. Come on. We gotta get you down. You we gotta get you to scratch. Like, let's use use the clubs.
Casey Ford:Maybe I'll get you
Dave Gerhardt:my dad's chipper or something. I don't know.
Casey Ford:There's nothing worse for saying I lost to a guy with 12 clubs.
Bryce Mooney:Yeah. It's demoralizing. Options. I I need a vote here. I've got 3 of you.
Bryce Mooney:I need I got 3 options. 1, I can add a 5 wood and try to gain another 20 yards off the tee compared to my 3 yard. I can just go full driver and lose 5 golf balls around if you guys wanna pay me $25 a week. Or, I can make an Instagram handle and call myself the 12 club dry, golfer.
Casey Ford:Lean into it. Only if
Dave Gerhardt:it helps move speed, Toad.
Bryce Mooney:There you go.
Dave Gerhardt:That's the only way I would do that. Otherwise, I think, you're long enough. Hit the hit the 3 iron. Let's get you some wedges and let's score.
Bryce Mooney:So I've got a 60 degree. Should I go do I go 62, 64? I mean, is that crazy?
Dave Gerhardt:No. No. You don't need that much loft. You must there must be some there must be some dialing in. With this if the folks from Trackman or Titleist are listening to this, we gotta we gotta get Bryce dialed.
Dave Gerhardt:That's all I can say.
Bryce Mooney:I need 2 clubs.
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Casey Ford:about you? How often are you playing? What are you playing? And I I actually what we I want both of you to go through your yardages too. That'd be fascinating, but go ahead, Sam.
Sam Attanasio:Okay. So my actually, we gotta back this up for me. I played baseball when I was younger, and then I had some health issues, so I had to pick up an individual sport because I couldn't practice with the team. I didn't know when I was gonna be okay to play stuff, so I lived in the golf course and said, alright. I'm gonna start playing golf as a sophomore in high school.
Sam Attanasio:And within the year, I became a scratch golfer, and by my senior year, I was a plus 3 handicap. Low round was a 639 under. And, so I was a very good golfer back in the day. Had some more health issues, ended up turning down a college scholarship to play golf, didn't play golf for 5 years. Got at that time, I did hit the ball far, so I started looking the long drive.
Sam Attanasio:I did a local qualifier. So when I started to get back into golf this time around, I knew immediately I needed to do long drive because that was just one of my huge passions. And so right now, I don't play a whole lot of golf. Last year, in fact, I only played one round with Bryce, and he's been trying to get me out every week. He's like, you wanna go play golf?
Sam Attanasio:You wanna go play golf? You wanna go play golf? It's like, I'm training. So I train more often than he does in the garage, and that was just because my number one priority last year was trying to break the ball speed record. And last year, nobody thought I could possibly get to 2:30 ball speed because I was sitting at, like, 210 ball speed.
Sam Attanasio:And at the time, only 5 people had gone 230, and I ended up going 240 last year. So I proved everybody wrong on that. And I dedicate a lot of that to just my training and stuff, but I like to consider myself a month away from being scratch. Because I know I still have a lot of good golf talent, and that's why I can get away with hitting in a net in my garage for an entire year. And the only time I saw ball flighting was out in competition.
Sam Attanasio:I would go to the competition, hit on the range, see the ball flight, and go, oh, so that's what it looks like flying. I should probably hit it like this in competition, and then we'd go out and hit in competition. So not ideal for winning tournaments, and I'm gonna try to change that up this year, but that that's kind of the background. I still love golf and love doing it. Just my priorities and what I'm focusing on right now has shifted a little bit away from that.
Casey Ford:This is perfect. I got I we have the 2 new handles for you guys. We got the 12 club golfer and the month from scratch. The month from scratch is a great line.
Dave Gerhardt:Just on
Casey Ford:the I'm ready to be scratched at any moment. I can be a month from scratch.
Dave Gerhardt:You could do one of those YouTube videos. Like, I played I played Bryson DeChambeau with 12 clubs.
Bryce Mooney:You won't believe what happened.
Sam Attanasio:That's the
Bryce Mooney:Houston the thumbnail right here. The thumbnail. Oh, that's fine.
Casey Ford:Oh, quick real quick. Just do go through your, yardages too. Just curious.
Bryce Mooney:Through the whole bag?
Casey Ford:Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Bryce Mooney:Well, driver will just call it, like, 370. My 3 iron, is like 285, all the way down. Let's just jump to, like, my 8 iron
Casey Ford:would be the highlights.
Bryce Mooney:Yeah. My 8 iron would be like my 180 club if it's just like no wind, nothing, you know, flat. And then like my 56 degrees, like a 125. And I'm not I'm not like that's not like let's see how far I can hit it. That's kind of my, you know, shoulder to shoulder swing because I'm trying to score.
Dave Gerhardt:Wait. Sorry. What's your what's your 1 50 club?
Bryce Mooney:That's like a half choke down pitching wedge. Like, I'll choke down half an inch with a pitching wedge for 150.
Casey Ford:So you're you're not laying up at at 150. You want a full swing. So what are you laying up at?
Bryce Mooney:Like, on a par 5?
Casey Ford:Well, I guess, yeah, our our definitions of layup are different.
Dave Gerhardt:Laying up at 150? Do do do you wanna restate that, sir? Laying up at
Bryce Mooney:1 50? Heard of this phrase, lay up. What does that mean?
Casey Ford:Yeah. I I'm talking to the wrong people.
Dave Gerhardt:It's Sky hits his sky sky hits his 3 iron 285. There is no laying up.
Casey Ford:In the event that I hit a drive in the fairway, they there's this thing called not going for it. And and I what I do is I pretend to hit it 150, but I hit it thin about a 120 yards. And I say, yep. Good. Good lay it.
Bryce Mooney:If there's, if there's hazards, I lay up because I'm a cautious golfer. I don't wanna lose golf balls that's that kills my score. If there's hazards, anything over, like, 220, I try to be super cautious. If there's no hazards, I mean, I'll I'll go 3 iron at 275 off the fairway if if there's no hazards, to, you know, woods or water or anything.
Casey Ford:And, Sam, you don't have to go through the whole bad bag, but just give us your your putter distance because that's a YouTube video. Can you can you explain that?
Sam Attanasio:I went, 327 with a putter and till it broke and went into my ceiling. So go check out that bin and Sam Matinaccio on YouTube. I know I can go further with that. I just struggle with accuracy. But the rest of my clubs, I was just doing some stuff recently.
Sam Attanasio:That's the only reason I know distances wise. I hit a 3 wood recently, 210 ball speed, 360 distance. Pitching wedge, I can get in the 2 twenties. And typically on the course, I probably hit if I'm 200 out, I'll probably hit a pitching wedge. That's kinda my yardage there.
Bryce Mooney:I hit I like to ball speed on the putter? What was your ball speed on the putter?
Sam Attanasio:About 170.
Dave Gerhardt:Which is, like, the the the the sweets the the center of the putter face is, like, you know, 2 inches. That's insane.
Casey Ford:The the best part about that video, you should
Bryce Mooney:go watch it.
Casey Ford:I don't know. The best part about that video is there's a good, I wanna say, 10 seconds where you guys have no idea where the putter went when it when it fractured. And there's a moment where someone contemplates that it's not, like, in the universe anymore. They're like, it's not it's not it's not in the room anymore. It's I think it went through the house through the building.
Casey Ford:My camera guy was fully convinced that it went straight into the drywall because there's a giant hole in
Sam Attanasio:the ceiling. He's like, I think it's in the roof. Meanwhile, I'm holding my hands because it broke, and it felt like on a cold day in baseball when you take one off the end of the bat and it just shocks your hands, that's exactly what I felt from the metal snapping. It was terrible.
Casey Ford:Dave, you got anything else on, long drive stuff before we wrap up here? We do we do wanna hear about the, the the product you guys have have been developing for training. You wanna talk about that for a second?
Dave Gerhardt:Hold on. In in my head, I got Bryce telling me that he's a conservative cautious golfer, and this guy swings it at 200 miles an hour.
Casey Ford:Just those two things don't add up. But that's
Sam Attanasio:He's conservative compared to me, which is why he says he's a conservative golfer because I'm the type of guy that it could be an island green at 4:20, and I'm like, yeah. I could probably drive that green. My handicap doesn't matter anyways. I'm the worst for a, any skins game because I think my active handicap's like a 10, and I play, like, 1 round a year, but I'll get, like, 3 or 4 eagles on the round, and then I just throw some bad shots. So when he sees golf like that and me swinging out of my shoes, he goes, yeah, I'm real conservative.
Sam Attanasio:It's only 320. I'll hit my 4 iron to the green.
Dave Gerhardt:That's dangerous though. I mean, you you got down to a plus 3, so you'd know how to score, like no chance I want you at a 10.
Casey Ford:And I'm just thinking too, you guys are probably, you probably get cash offers to, to be in scrambles. Right? I mean, what's more valuable than a guy that can just throw 1 out there that far? You're almost illegal in scramble. That's a yeah.
Bryce Mooney:It makes it fun.
Dave Gerhardt:You just found our next, you sound you found a future, content segment. Let's let's fly down south a little bit and go get a scramble in. Hey. Let's let's talk about, talk about talk about, you guys getting into business. Talk about your product for for a little bit before we wrap up.
Bryce Mooney:Yeah. Yeah. And, Dave, you're you're the marketing guy. Right? You you, that's your background?
Dave Gerhardt:Yes. So I already approve of the branding. The toad hat is fantastic if that's what you're asking.
Bryce Mooney:Appreciate it. No. So, yeah, pick us apart, from a marketing perspective. But, last year, the backstory is we were we, you know, we tried every speed training aid out there and we would give each speed training aid kind of its go for a couple months. And we would see gains with those speed training aids.
Bryce Mooney:Let's just pretend we gained 5 miles an hour with whatever aid it was, But at the same time, our drivers would only gain 2 miles an hour. And so we we would just kinda like every 2 months be like, gosh, why why is our driver not gaining speed as fast as these aids are? Where's the disconnect? And we realized it's because of the shaft. Whatever speed training aid it was was not our driver shaft that we were playing or competing with.
Bryce Mooney:You know, we all go get fitted for our driver's shaft because it fits our swing, whether it be the right weight, the right kick point, the right amount of flex, you know? And so as you we're talking about sequencing swings. As you learn to sequence properly a certain speed training aid, well, it takes a different sequence for your driver, your actual driver. And so that's kinda where the nexus of speed towed came from was, well, we need to wait a speed train with our own driver shaft. And so we trained with it all last year, and saw the gains that we saw.
Bryce Mooney:And, on Thanksgiving this last year, we we launched it kind of begrudgingly because now, like, 20% of the long drivers are already using it. And so now we're a little like, oh, crap. They're gonna start, you know, catching up to us this next year. But that's kind of the nexus of it. Now, Sam, I don't know if you wanna give, like, an update of where we're at.
Sam Attanasio:Yeah. So ultimately, for those that don't know, SpeedToad is a lighter weight option that can attach to your driver's shaft, and it attaches to all major brands. So whatever, if you're hitting TaylorMade, Callaway, Cobra, Ping, like, we have the attach we have just a different screw for it that you'll get with it. And it's ultimately that. You get to speed train with your own driver shaft.
Sam Attanasio:We have an entire program that Bryce and I set up. Yep. There's Speedy right there. And we created a program for people. We're developing an app right now.
Sam Attanasio:They'll be released here in within the month, most likely, And that's kinda where it's progressed so far. We had a lot of success down at the PGA shows because a lot of people, when they see this, especially teachers, they go, it makes complete sense. Like, the timing of your shaft is so vital in able to hit the ball more accurately, first of all, but also be faster faster and to efficiently use the flex and kick of your own shaft is super important.
Bryce Mooney:Yeah. Dave, you mentioned, earlier about how you can feel the, the load and, you know, the kick at the ball. And you're starting to have that light bulb moment of that feel. And that's, that's what the speed toad is about is, is when you speed train with your shaft, you start getting that feel. It's it's lighter than your driver head.
Bryce Mooney:So it's gonna train your fast twitch muscles to move faster, but it's also heavy enough to where it's going to activate your shaft like your driver head does. So you still get that feel of the load at the top and the kick at the ball. And then just further, you know, building those feels and those those that timing.
Dave Gerhardt:How did I'm just curious about the entrepreneurial side of this. Lots of people have had it. You know, everybody's got a friend who has an idea for a product. Right? Whether you you know, how successful you guys are will is yet to be determined down the road, but, like, I already like, shout out to you guys for actually, like, building something.
Dave Gerhardt:Right? This is real. You have a product. You have a business. You're physically holding the product in your hand.
Dave Gerhardt:Like, I just have so much respect for that. We we've all played golf with the guy who's got 20 ideas. I'm like, yeah. Well, you're never gonna do it. Right?
Dave Gerhardt:You everybody's got an idea. You actually did it. Just give me a couple words on what was the process from idea to execution and having a and especially, I I come from the software world where I wouldn't say it's, it's easy, but what we're dealing with is is digital goods. Right? To actually manufacture a physical product is a whole other beast.
Dave Gerhardt:I'm just curious to hear that story a little bit.
Casey Ford:For sure.
Bryce Mooney:You know, it's funny because we built this only for us to train with. It's not like we had this idea to sell and we're gonna find we built prototypes just so we could train with it. And then after we saw how good it worked, we were like, well, shoot, this probably would do pretty well. We should bring it to market. Amongst my career, I had 5 years at Nike headquarters in Oregon.
Bryce Mooney:And so I kinda tapped in, to my sports marketing and supply chain background to help kind of bring a product to market. And then it it it pairs perfect with Sam's, background of training and excuse me. His his, was your master's in again? I can't keep track of all your degrees.
Sam Attanasio:Exercise science.
Bryce Mooney:Exercise science. So, you know, between my background of of sports marketing and and supply chain manufacturing to his sports sports science, exercise science, background. It just was a perfect blend. And then, you know, after we launched on Thanksgiving within 2 weeks we had shipped it, I think, to 5 or 6 different countries. We're like, what what the this and so then we said we should go to the PGA show and now, you know, potentially we could have this on retail shelves across the world in the in the coming weeks months.
Bryce Mooney:It's pretty exciting.
Dave Gerhardt:I just went over to chat. I just designed you guys a new logo real quick. I just went over to chat gpt and asked to, design a, a logo of a of a toad running, you know, just jolting, shooting through the air. I I only I the only my only critique would be, like, I think you need a mascot. I think, right now, speed toad is, like, it's that actual product, but I think you could have this very lovable, fast, jacked toad that could be, become the future of your business.
Dave Gerhardt:So that that that
Casey Ford:part's free for
Dave Gerhardt:coming on the pod. We can we can talk at another time, but, this was a blast. I've we just messaged Casey that this was a bunch of fun, and, I love having, you know, people from the golf world come on. And I feel like I learned something new, but also got to, you know, talk and share a couple stories that I know that people are listening to this are gonna find a lot of value from. So thank you guys for for hanging out with us today.
Bryce Mooney:Thanks for having us.
Casey Ford:Yeah. Definitely. Thanks for coming on. I actually have one more question I wanted to get to. I forgot to get to it earlier, but, I was thinking about this.
Casey Ford:If there we can we can wrap on this. If there was a, world long drive competition, but it had to be quiet, there's no yelling or grunting, what percentage less are the balls going?
Sam Attanasio:I'd be DQ. I'll tell you that right now.
Bryce Mooney:Oh, man. At at least 10%. At least 10%.
Sam Attanasio:It it's interesting because, you know, especially speed training wise, there'd be a big downtick of that. That's one of those things of you have to actively be amping up your nervous system and just firing on all cylinders to get it done. In competition, a lot of the times, like, your first ball in play will be fine. You're not gonna grunt. 2nd ball, it's fine.
Sam Attanasio:You're not gonna grunt. And believe it or not, more so in competition, it's once you know the ball's in play that you actually will scream. So versus the swing and the grunt. And that's kind of a thing of you gotta know both the there's a select thing of you have to know your competition, and you have to know how far you're hitting that day before you yell at it. Because there's a lot of good guys who will hit a ball, think they killed it, scream at it.
Sam Attanasio:It spun a little bit too much. It hits, and the number pops back, and it's, like, 320, and the dude next to him didn't scream. It went 370. He just looks over at him like, what what are you doing? That that's the whole put your tail between your legs and walk off the stage at that point.
Casey Ford:Alright. I'm gonna try that now. I'm gonna try.
Dave Gerhardt:I wish you guys knew Casey better offline because that was just, like, the most Casey level question I've I've ever heard.
Casey Ford:Glad to get it in for you, Dave. Thanks so much for coming on, guys.
Bryce Mooney:You bet. If if you answer if you have any questions during speed training, we love speed training, and we love seeing people get better. And so, Dave, Casey, if you get into speed training, have any questions, just let us know. We we love helping out.
Casey Ford:That's awesome. Thanks so much. I appreciate it. And and, Sam, thanks for being the first first doctor on the pod. That adds a whole new level of, legitimacy to us.
Casey Ford:So we appreciate. Can you give guys both quick just before we go, give where people can follow you and and follow your progress and everything with Speedtop? Yeah.
Bryce Mooney:Yeah. Long drive Bryce is the Instagram and YouTube, and then SpeedToad is the is the handle there.
Sam Attanasio:Yeah. I'm bomb at LD on TikTok and Instagram, and then Sam at On YouTube. Go check me out. I hit putters through the ceiling.
Casey Ford:Awesome. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
Bryce Mooney:Thank you very much.
Dave Gerhardt:K. So you didn't shout out Rory. And, Rory, I'll do it for you. And, Rory, come on the pod.
Casey Ford:Oh, yeah. I say at the end of, every podcast, Rory (McIlroy). Rory, come on the pod.
Bryce Mooney:Rory, come on the pod.
Casey Ford:And get it and get a speed speed toad. I don't know if he needs it, but
Dave Gerhardt:he's good. He's VRI. Seems to seems to be working for
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Bryce Mooney:Yeah. Alright. Stick to the program, Rory.
Dave Gerhardt:Thank you.
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