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A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.
Good. Alright. Yeah. Everybody, welcome back to the Crazy Hockey Dads podcast episode number
Scott:20.
Jamie:20. Which, man, I mean, wow.
Scott:We made it another week.
Jamie:I don't even know what to say. I mean, I yeah.
Scott:Well, you don't have to really say anything. Thanks. What you should do is you should we should well, since you're so amazed about this I am. I think the other part that you probably want to highlight is the international growth.
Jamie:That is actually a good idea. So something happened between the last episode and this episode. It's funny. I keep saying to you, like, what is happening? Right?
Jamie:I keep saying, what is going on? Like, what is happening? And and the crazy part about it is is every time we speak about something Yeah. Not every time, but a lot of the time when we mention something on this podcast Yes. It happens.
Jamie:So give an example,
Chirs:please. So
Jamie:have you read the book The Secret? It's like it's it's like
Scott:What you put out to the world will come back to you?
Jamie:A 100%. Exactly, man. Okay. So you know I'm talking about.
Scott:You want you want to know what the real secret is?
Jamie:Tell me. It's bullshit. The secret's bullshit.
Scott:Wait. Might be. There's only one person that knows the secret.
Jamie:Chuck Norris? Yes. Oh my goodness. I got to tell you, his jokes get funnier and funnier. I can't don't even bring them up.
Jamie:Don't pull them up. But yes, our geographic reach seems to be growing. Every single time we speak about it, because you mentioned, I want to say on our last podcast or the one before that, you had mentioned Sweden and Switzerland. Sweden came very, very shortly after that. Yep.
Jamie:And then Switzerland just came. So between episode 19 and now Yep. Where do you want me to start? You want to start in The States? Want me start in Canada?
Jamie:Where do want
Scott:me start? What? Just go down the
Jamie:list. Okay. Let's watch. We'll go down the list. So we had mentioned on the last episode that we were missing West Virginia, North Dakota, South Dakota.
Jamie:Right? And there were couple other names And in there, among we got when we got off of last episode, North Dakota was there.
Scott:West Virginia came while we were recording.
Jamie:West Virginia came while we were recording, and then South Dakota showed up. So we got North Dakota, South Dakota, and West Virginia. I wanna say we're missing Delaware, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Oregon, Idaho. Is that it? Alaska.
Jamie:Alaska? I think that's it. I think that's it. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's it.
Scott:No, there's not many. But listen No. Bottom line and the reason why I think we keep on getting so excited about this is not because it's necessarily our egos per se, but we're just super excited that That people like
Jamie:what we're putting out.
Scott:Clearly that there's value in that people are tuning in and however they're coming across it, But really just thanks And for
Jamie:downloading and sharing it.
Scott:All that stuff.
Jamie:Yeah. I mean, clearly, you guys are liking what we're saying. So we're going to try to keep bringing you what you like. And if you want to write us and tell us what you like and what you don't like, maybe we can kind of narrow it down a little more and really kind of deliver exactly what you guys are liking. But we're going to keep going because clearly there's some traction here.
Scott:No doubt. Canada, we picked up New Brunswick.
Jamie:Canada, picked up New Brunswick. And Saskatchewan. And Saskatchewan. So we are in all 10 There's Canadian three territories. I don't know if they're gonna show up on our map.
Jamie:I don't know if they're on our map. But we are in all 10 Canadian provinces, which is sick. And then our overseas reach continues to grow. How they're finding it? I don't know.
Scott:Right. So in Sweden and in France, we picked up two new regions Two new regions? Those
Jamie:Both those places. Yep.
Scott:No doubt.
Jamie:Yep. And then we and then we picked up South Korea, Seoul, South Korea, Mexico. Mexico was Baja, right? It was somewhere down south of San Diego, right?
Scott:Wells Vedrine. Oh, Wells.
Jamie:Such a good movie. Such a good movie. We picked up Baja California Sur in Mexico. So Mexico, Seoul, South Korea, what?
Scott:Little bits of Panther.
Jamie:It's got real Panther in it. Well, could I could rattle the lines off
Scott:of that. That crazy. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What else did pick? We picked up Latvia.
Jamie:Yep. I'm not even gonna try to pronounce that. I think it's Trina. Does that
Scott:sound I don't know.
Jamie:Yeah. I don't know either. We picked up Latvia. We picked up we said Switzerland. South Korea, Mexico, Switzerland, Latvia, Hong Kong Yep.
Jamie:And Sweden.
Scott:And Albania.
Jamie:And Albania. I forgot That's right. Oh, I'll be I I forgot Albania. Yes. Yep.
Jamie:Which is wild.
Scott:Yeah,
Jamie:man. I didn't realize hockey was played in Albania. Yeah. You know? But and we've always said, like, all of a sudden, out east.
Jamie:I mean, so we have Hong Kong. We have Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan. I mean, Taiwan. Are you surprised?
Scott:Yeah. I I yeah. Absolute am I surprised? Yes. Yes.
Scott:Latvia doesn't surprise me.
Jamie:Sweden, Switzerland don't surprise me.
Scott:Think I'm still I think when I see, the growth, I'm surprised every time.
Jamie:Well, am too. I'm surprised that things are popping up. I don't know what the algorithm is or are people sharing So overseas. Don't
Scott:also, we posted our first reel, our first short on YouTube. We did. So we're showing warming that up a little more so
Jamie:please check
Scott:us out.
Jamie:On Instagram. TikTok, shorts,
Scott:etcetera. So yeah, check us out there as well. So that's new. We should be doing that more regularly now.
Jamie:Yes, now that we've figured out how clip everything. Yes, we're figuring this out as we go. Matter of fact, speaking of figuring things out, we have a treat for you guys today. Like we promised last episode, we have our first interview with my buddy Chris. So our first Hockey Dad interview that Scott kind of figured out how to do.
Scott:Yeah, well, I mean, I didn't
Jamie:You did.
Scott:You did. Did. The technology part It we figured
Jamie:was not easy.
Scott:Yeah, you know, there's
Jamie:It's not easy.
Scott:Listen, like with a lot of this stuff, there's a learning curve attached to it. Yes, there is. But
Jamie:did it. That was a nice job by
Scott:you. All good. We'll keep doing I appreciate that.
Jamie:Thank you so And it's a great interview by Chris. I hope you guys enjoy that.
Scott:Yeah, know.
Jamie:We will get to that shortly. You guys are really going to enjoy that interview. So tell me, so Otto's back from camp?
Scott:Yeah, that's right.
Jamie:Back from mountain biking camp, right?
Scott:Yeah, the Otto man got back. And yeah, he was exhausted. But he had a great time. I have to say, thinking about second sports, I don't know that I would have ever said mountain biking is It's a sport? No, no, no.
Scott:I know it's a sport, no doubt. But if you had asked me a year ago if I would have ever thought mountain biking would be a second sport for him,
Jamie:I would You would have said no. No. You wouldn't have said yes.
Scott:No, I wouldn't have said yes. But no, dude, he's into it. And he was at like a pretty heavy duty location up in New Hampshire
Jamie:Right.
Scott:Highland, whatever it's called. Nonetheless, don't need to talk about that too much. But he got a lot of he he had a ton of, like, trail time.
Jamie:I'm sure.
Scott:And yeah, he just continued to work on some skills, gaining skills. Nice. So he's still very much a beginner. He's feeling good about it and he's loving it.
Jamie:Nice. Probably pretty good being on your own too away from mom and dad for a couple of weeks.
Scott:Yeah. I think that also had pros and cons to it. He did really well.
Jamie:Didn't want to come home, so clearly
Scott:You know what? I don't know that he didn't want to come home.
Jamie:Well, know what I mean. He didn't have to go get him is my point.
Scott:I think that the biggest challenge was just the amount of physical activity he did over the last three weeks between hockey camp and mountain biking.
Jamie:Yeah, was busy.
Scott:It was a lot of physical activity, so I think to he that was tired.
Jamie:Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure he's exhausted.
Scott:Exhausted. Totally exhausted. You know? You could see his eyes when we picked him up.
Jamie:Yeah. Well, that's cool.
Scott:It was funny. The camp actually, they had a photographer on the trails and they would take pictures cool. Things like doing
Jamie:Did you get to buy them when you
Scott:got there? You didn't have to buy them. Uploaded them and we could download them. That's awesome. Yeah, that was great.
Scott:But they took a pic Apparently he opted out of an afternoon ride and he went to the nurse's office and he went to sleep.
Jamie:Really?
Scott:I swear to God. He was exhausted. Now, I mean, there is part of me that wants to be like, Why are you sleeping? But at the same time, I know for a fact he was the youngest kid there. And I'm pretty sure the tempo might have been higher than what It doesn't matter.
Scott:I'm not even making excuses. The bottom line is the kid needed rest, so he decided to get rest. And that's fine.
Jamie:All right. Listen. You know?
Scott:Oh, yeah. I got a picture of that too. That's why I'm sleeping.
Jamie:Of him sleeping?
Scott:Yeah. I'm sleeping.
Jamie:Gotcha. All right. Listen. All right. Listen.
Jamie:That's cool. You know? Yeah. Listen. Whatever works.
Jamie:You know?
Scott:What
Jamie:it Oh, you know you know what's funny that I wanted to touch on just for shits and giggles? What? I wanted to touch on the fact that when we shot the when we were shot we recorded the last podcast
Scott:in '19. We
Jamie:had a timer during
Scott:one that 100% we did.
Jamie:And the funny part about it was is that we didn't know while we were shooting it
Scott:Oh, yeah. It's true.
Jamie:We did not know that you all could hear our timer. Found out when we played it back to ourselves after it was recorded, we go, oh, shit.
Scott:Well, it's funny you say that because we have
Jamie:Oh, no. So I'm going
Scott:to bring this guy and his company up in moment. So Eric from Athletic Performance Insight
Jamie:Right. Who we will talk about. Yes. We
Scott:were we were going back and forth. And he goes, I'm so glad you explained what was happening because I didn't know what the beeping was in my ear.
Jamie:He's like, He thought it was on his end. I'm sure everybody did. Like, what the fuck? Well, the first time it happened, we started giggling. And then the big one happened, and we really started.
Jamie:And I just happened to say, oh, Scott, why don't you tell everybody what that was? Not knowing that our entire audience could actually hear
Scott:What was that?
Jamie:What we were hearing. We thought that it was isolated to our ears. No. It was not.
Scott:No.
Jamie:So, yeah, so that was actually pretty funny. When you go back and listen to it That
Scott:was funny.
Jamie:And like all of our other podcasts, we do not edit. Record and publish. So yeah, so you guys got Yep. That was an experience.
Scott:You got the learning curve.
Jamie:Yes, That's for sure. Yes. I see that Scott's timer is muted today.
Scott:Oh, it is muted. Yes. Yes.
Jamie:I see that.
Scott:Well, I went back into the settings and, you
Jamie:know, I toggled the thingy and Learning curve, like you said before.
Scott:Learning
Jamie:curve. But we're figuring it out.
Scott:A 100%.
Jamie:Every episode gets better. That's what keep saying.
Scott:So I've mentioned Eric. Yeah. We should just do a quick shout out to partners.
Jamie:Yeah. Sure. Yeah. You wanna do it? You got it.
Scott:Yeah. Sure. So everyone, Howie's hockey?
Jamie:Oh, Crazy 10.
Scott:Crazy 10. Use that discount code.
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Jamie:Laces, tape, gear.
Scott:All of it.
Jamie:Season's coming up. Go get yourself some like Scott loves the flame tape so much, go get yourself flame tapes. Get yourself the American The USA red, white, and blue. Go get yourself the the Canadian leaf. Right?
Jamie:The Canadian red leaf? Yep. What else? The the bread.
Scott:The There's camo.
Jamie:There's the tape. Yeah. Like you said, more for younger kids.
Scott:More for younger kids. But you know
Jamie:what I really like, though? I I'll just go get
Scott:black and white. Like, they're just their even, like, their their apparel. They Like, got a lot of great apparel.
Jamie:A 100%. I love their vintage look. Like, the washed blue and the washed gray. That stuff's really cool.
Scott:Yeah. You saw how they have the one where it's like an h that they made
Jamie:with tape.
Scott:Yeah. That's pretty cool.
Jamie:You see those hats everywhere.
Scott:The Howie's hat.
Jamie:You see the h, the tape in the in
Scott:the h.
Jamie:You see
Scott:them everywhere. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. It's a very cool design.
Scott:No doubt. Use Crazy Ten, Howie's Please.
Jamie:Yeah. Support the
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Jamie:Angelo Searce.
Scott:Head coach for the New Jersey Devils.
Jamie:Like Scott said, not a big deal. No. That's true.
Scott:A little bit.
Jamie:But Head skating coach, no big deal.
Scott:So check out Prostride Elite Skating. Check out their website. He's awesome. You can use discount code CHD10. CHD10.
Scott:And they are leaders in skating development. They have power skating experts. Angelo's awesome. And they run these clinics and power skating sessions all over
Jamie:All the over the country and in Canada, yeah.
Scott:So take a look on their website, see if they're near you. Guy, Angelo, is awesome.
Jamie:You'll get a lot out of it. Lengthen your kid's stride. He'll actually bring it back to Angelo has this thing where a lot of kids don't bring their stride back
Scott:All the way back
Jamie:underneath all the way back underneath them. So you're only pushing with like 70%, 85%. So you're losing an entire burst, which across a sheet of ice Is a lot. Is a lot.
Scott:Yeah. So check them out. Then he'll be a guest at some point. Haven't locked down that date.
Jamie:Haven't locked it down yet. We're going to do a part two with our buddy Chris Volmer, right? Yep. That's the plan. So you guys are going to get part one today.
Jamie:You'll get part two. And then are we doing is Kirk coming on too? What's the plan with Kirk? I know we're going back and forth with him.
Scott:Yeah. So it sounds like he's game.
Jamie:Just So to schedule
Scott:the bottom line is we got a lot of great guests
Jamie:coming A lot of
Scott:cool stuff. And Angelo being one of them.
Jamie:Angelo is one prostride,
Scott:elite skating, CHD 10, check it out. And then I also mentioned Eric.
Jamie:Your
Scott:buddy. Yep, so athletic performance insight, API.
Jamie:You used him before. You used him for an entire couple seasons, right?
Scott:100%, great. So basically, API tags and breaks down game footage for team and individual review. Their goal is to make technology accessible for almost any team through affordable pricing. They have organizational discounts as well as the option to spread payments using installment installment plans.
Jamie:Now you used him for a couple of seasons when you were breaking film down.
Scott:Yeah, definitely used him. Super great guy to work with.
Jamie:Yeah, he seems a nice guy.
Scott:Technology is great, very user friendly. And certainly our audience, I'm sure we've got some man some team managers
Jamie:Coaches. Coaches. Yeah, sure.
Scott:So check out API, Athletic Performance Insight.
Jamie:Or even people that own organizations maybe.
Scott:Again, for
Jamie:your whole organization.
Scott:No doubt. But they break down tag games. I would run video from Otto's team the last couple of years. Last year, that's pretty much all I did. And it's such a one up in terms of giving these kids another way to learn about the game of ice hockey.
Scott:So many kids are just visual learners.
Jamie:Just big as they get older, yeah.
Scott:Now look, it's obviously easy to also overwhelm them with video.
Jamie:Yeah, but you do little tiny snippets. But you
Scott:do little snippets, and it can be a really powerful tool. So I highly recommend checking out Athletic Performance Insight API.
Jamie:Yeah, yeah. We have a discount code for them already, or coming soon?
Scott:No, coming soon.
Jamie:Okay, We'll talk to Aaron.
Scott:I didn't want another podcast to go by without shouting
Jamie:him out. No, no, he's great. No, I remember when you were using that a couple years back. Liked Yeah, it a love it. Yeah, yeah.
Jamie:No, he seems great. Got a nice look
Scott:on Hopefully we'll get him on the pod as well.
Jamie:That would be awesome.
Scott:Yeah, because he also had a kid Nice. Go through the ranks. He's now finished. Think he's
Jamie:Skip done?
Scott:It was a goalie, I'm pretty sure.
Jamie:Oh, god, that's not easy.
Scott:No. So he can speak
Jamie:to that side. To that side of it, yeah. I don't know what that world's like. We a lot of good stuff coming between now and the start of the season. No doubt.
Jamie:I mean, we'll do a couple with Vollmer. We'll have Angelo. We'll have Kirk. We'll have your buddy Eric from API on me. We have a lot of really cool stuff in the works for you guys.
Scott:No doubt.
Jamie:I'm looking forward to this. And as the season starts and gets closer, we could start doing this is going to be a lot of fun. The next six weeks are going be a lot of fun here.
Scott:Stay
Jamie:tuned, everybody. Let's go. Yeah. So Otto back in hockey now that he's back from camp?
Scott:Yeah. So he didn't have anything for this week. Or no, did, he but like in so he's going to another sleepaway camp next week.
Jamie:Is he really?
Scott:Yeah, he's going
Jamie:to
Scott:this Camp Woodward
Jamie:Jesus.
Scott:For four weeks of sleepaway this summer.
Jamie:My goodness. Oh, but all different places, right?
Scott:Three different places over four That's awesome. Good for you One hockey, one mountain bike, and one like X Games. He's doing like BMX, dirt
Jamie:No shit. So is that what Woodward is?
Scott:Woodward, they have like skateboarding,
Jamie:Okay. So this is the X Games camp. Skateboarding. Okay. Gotcha.
Jamie:Yeah. It's like X Games stuff.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty legit. Must be nice.
Jamie:Jesus Christ. I must be asking. My parents weren't doing that shit for me. Hell, no. No way.
Jamie:No. No. Say Raymond.
Scott:Raymond, take off that mask.
Jamie:Down that gun. Raymond, is that you? Anyway,
Scott:circling back
Jamie:to the last podcast,
Chirs:I just
Scott:wanted to also let everyone I had mentioned another pod on our episode 19 and it's Healthy Sports Parents And it's a great podcast.
Jamie:I listened to it a little bit today for the first time.
Scott:Oh, did you put it on?
Jamie:Yeah, I did. Interesting.
Scott:It's definitely interesting. They don't talk about hockey.
Jamie:No, no, but just in
Scott:They might, but they just talk
Jamie:about I'm one of them does, right? But yeah, but it was insightful.
Scott:So check it out, Healthy Sports Parents. It's a good listen, no doubt. What about Dom? And you had said he had done like a three on three. How did that
Jamie:shake out? That was out in Princeton or no? It was down in Toms River. So for for our listeners who don't know, so we live in New Jersey, and Toms River is, I would say, the start of the shore points, of the beach points, right, in New Jersey. Wouldn't you say that's sort of accurate?
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Right? The start of the beach ish type towns as you go down Central And South Jersey. So he was asked to play by one of the moms of a kid on our team. Her nephew plays for a coach down here at Red Bank. Red Bank.
Jamie:Yeah. We're about the rink Oh, and the pizza and all that yeah. Oh, best pizza needs hockey.
Scott:Yeah. So anyway, how'd it go?
Jamie:So it was good. We mentioned on the podcast what the level was. I thought it was all AA. I was wrong.
Scott:It was all There
Jamie:was a lot of AAA kids.
Scott:Oh yeah?
Jamie:Yeah. It was high end? It was, would say high er. I wouldn't say high end, but high er.
Scott:Did he pause?
Jamie:He played very well. His team so it was three on three, but there were six kids, two lines of three. Every two minutes, they blew the horn, right?
Scott:So
Jamie:lose they a game, and they won the finals, like, 11 to two or something like that. No. It was good. It was you know, it's funny. The goalie was an old Rockets goalie who Dom
Scott:On his team or the one he
Jamie:played against? On Dom's team. Oh, so they knew him to each other? Yeah. He knew him.
Jamie:Yeah. And the kid we played against in the district finals played on the opposite team against him.
Scott:Yeah. There's a little bit of a rivalry.
Jamie:No question about it. I was talking to the dad. I saw the dad outside the rink when we pulled up. He's an actually nice guy. We played because we wound up playing them in the league finals.
Scott:The Delaware Ducks?
Jamie:We both beat them to get
Scott:to Oh, you both beat them? Oh, got it.
Jamie:Yeah. No. Kid played on Brick. Okay. He played for brick.
Jamie:So we beat them in the league final, and then we beat them in the district final.
Scott:And when you say Brick, like Brick the town?
Jamie:The town of
Scott:Brick He Hockey didn't play at No, no. The Brick
Jamie:Brick Hockey Club. Right. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so he was on the opposite team. He is he is he is also moving up to to a higher level of hockey.
Jamie:Oh, this kid's good. He's big.
Scott:Yeah. He's solid. He's a
Jamie:big boy. Yeah.
Scott:That's awesome.
Jamie:Big, big, big boy. Yeah. So so Dominik shockingly played well.
Scott:This stuff's shocking.
Jamie:No, no, it was shocking because he's He
Scott:led the league in
Jamie:scoring No, no, last understand that. But he still can't skate well because he's brand new skates, so he's like a goof on his skates. So he went from a junior to an intermediate, and his skates are big and bulky, so he still stays at data. He still can't turn well on
Scott:them. Yeah, that's interesting.
Jamie:Oh, yeah. He's not comfortable on his edge
Scott:yet, even
Jamie:a little bit. He skated on him twice before Interesting. Or maybe three times, but he's not comfortable on him, that's for sure. So it's like he's skating on with moon boots or like ski boots. He played well.
Jamie:He had between the legs bar down, which is pretty filthy. That was nice.
Scott:He's pulled that off once or twice.
Jamie:He has. That was a nice one. When it clips the crossbar and goes in is always nice. And he played well.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Know he played well. You could see that even the other kids So Red Bank is considered like a lower tier triple A team in our area. They're like an up and coming. But the kids could play.
Jamie:They could skate and they could play. One kid had a rocket of a shot.
Scott:Did he? Yeah. You're seeing that more. Mean, I'm seeing it a little bit more and more. I can only imagine what you're seeing.
Jamie:Kid had a rocket. It? But the goalies were all very impressive.
Scott:Also bigger, less or not necessarily
Jamie:Yeah. No, they were. More pads, more padding, right?
Scott:Less nets to
Jamie:shoot Yeah, daylight, right? But it was good. Awesome, man. Yeah, was awesome. It was good stuff, yeah.
Scott:Good?
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that. That's our kind of intro.
Jamie:We're going throw it over to our interview with Chris.
Scott:Let's do it.
Jamie:Unless you have something you want to chat about?
Scott:No. No. Let's do it.
Jamie:So here's our interview with our first interview with another hockey parent that's not you and I. So everybody, my good buddy, Chris Volmer, I hope you guys enjoy it. Hey, everybody. We are here with my good buddy, Chris. Chris and I have been, wow, hockey parents for a long time now, bud.
Jamie:Yeah. Started and and and, you know, it's only fitting that you're our first interview, which I think is awesome. So yeah. So Chris and I go back to, man, our kids were what, like seven? Is that right?
Chirs:Mite minor, whatever that was. Right.
Jamie:Second year mites, right? Cross ice mites, so seven, I think. Yeah. We did two years of mites together. And the funny part about it was is so we did two years of mites together, and then I left, went somewhere else.
Jamie:You stayed. And then we kinda reconnect not we all we're what we always talked, but then we kinda a couple years later, got kinda back together, and we're on a pretty heavy duty hockey team together that your son is still on, man. So what's it been like? Five years?
Chirs:Well, first of let me say congratulation, boys. It's actually a really fun listening to you guys. Name of the podcast is spot on, and I'm sure you get a lot of hockey parents listening just because of the name of it because we are all crazy hockey dads or parents of what you want to say. I kind of have a saying. It's like, you know, when somebody comes and plays golf with you and be like, I'm not that good.
Chirs:I've never played golf with somebody that's good. You either suck or you suck a little bit more. And, and, and it's like, you know, you were in this world. I mean, you're crazy or you're just crazy a little bit more than everybody else. Right?
Chirs:There's there's no there's no there's no other way. If you're in this hockey world, you are a crazy hockey parent. So so so well done. And but, yeah, I mean, we go back, go back kids playing, mites together, kind of, that journey started. You and I knowing each other, getting getting become pretty good friends.
Chirs:The boys become friends. And then yeah. And Pats always go different ways, always come back together. But, you know, I think the craziness part about us when we decided we were gonna try to start a spring hockey team, then that turned into a regular season team. But that's a that's a longer story, maybe enough to start off, but maybe halfway through this conversation about this crazy hockey world.
Chirs:So
Jamie:Yes. Yes. That is for sure.
Scott:So Yeah. A quick question, Chris. So, I I mean, in terms of, your son and, like, his hockey path, just kinda set the stage in terms of the the hockey environments that you've been in. We're talking Yeah. A.
Scott:Like, we're currently playing on a high end team. Like, this is, like, probably top of the top in his birth year, if I'm not mistaken.
Chirs:Correct. I mean, so his job that's where we're at now. I mean, some place for the New Jersey Rockets. You know, we're number two, number three in the country in the last two years of of where he's at. But where his path started was a funny end.
Chirs:My history is I had no idea. I mean, I never played hockey a day in my life besides some ball hockey in my front yard when you just killed people with a little blue or orange ball. I was a I was I was a football guy, and, the true story comes about is that season ticket holder to the Yankees, you know, before kids, me and my wife, brother, sister-in-law going to 70 something games a year, and that's when we had the kids. We thought we'd still take them and do stuff. And then you're realizing you're taking a one year old and a two year old to the Yankee game and it's boring and you're feeding them a million dollars worth of food and going from Brooklyn to Yankee Stadium and then getting home at 11:00 at night because baseball games are un godly long.
Chirs:And the Islanders who I grew up on the island, the Islanders had moved to Brooklyn at that time. My son was, I don't even think he had turned three yet or he was just about to turn three. And Islander's moving and went. I was like, know what? Cancel my season tickets to the Yankees.
Chirs:I'm buying a half a season plan to the Islanders. I came home. I told my wife, and she was like, what the hell? We do not watch hockey. I am not going to watch hockey.
Chirs:What are you doing? I'm like, it'll be fine.
Chris:We like doing stuff as
Chirs:a family, you know? And again, I always say it's like, the greatest thing was for my son is growing up an Islander fan. I mean, I know we're in Ranger Town in New York City, and things are crazy. But
Jamie:Yeah. You are. Definitely.
Chirs:$48 for a seat that's 10 rows behind the the gold Islanders, shoot twice at. That ticket at, you know, in Mass Square Garden is 350, 375. You know, no one's at a game. My son shows up to the game for the first time, and his eyes are wide open. You know, three years old watching a game.
Chirs:You can't give him chicken tenders. You can't give him food. He refused to eat it and took him home. The next morning, my wife and I both woke up. True story.
Chirs:Wake up, and there's this little kid out in diapers out in our little one two bedroom Brooklyn apartment. He's got two chairs, and he's got little broomstick and this Ninja Turtle star that was they used to throw around, and he's whacking it in between two chairs. And I bought him this little, you know, those little Franklin sticks with that little ball and loved and he's whacking around. My wife was like, I think we need to put him on skates. And I'm like, I don't think that is a good idea.
Chirs:I think we need to put him on skates. I'm like, yeah. I don't know much about hockey, but what I do know, it's pretty freaking crazy. And you hear stories about getting up. I don't I think we should.
Chirs:And, of course, Christmas comes, and there's a pair of ice skates underneath that thing. His eyes lit up and took him to his first learn to skate, and it has never stopped since. So Wow. That is his journey from where he is there, and that's kind of how it all how it started. And not only was he in this world and the thought that the world that, you know, my wife and I or my and my daughter that are living in is just something that we never thought of eight years ago, eight or nine years ago now we've been involved.
Jamie:You know, it's funny. I didn't know that story. Didn't know that that knew that he went to a game when he was young, but I did not know about the next morning part of that.
Chirs:Yeah. Uh-huh.
Jamie:That's Yeah. That's wild, man. I mean
Scott:So when so now that so he started playing, obviously, to play not serious, not competitive. Like like, around when did you start to get the the idea of, like, the landscape that there was kind of this tier one, tier two, and and and and what and and maybe even, like, at what point did that even start to, like, matter to you if it ever did?
Chirs:Yeah. You know, it's funny. I don't know if it really matters to me now. I mean, course it matters some, right? I mean, you always want your child to strive to be the best.
Chirs:So there's, there's some mattering of him playing and practicing and being well. But, I mean, in terms of the whole landscape, it is, you know, the whole triple a stuff around here, you know, Ken, especially growing up playing a different sport, is still mind boggling to me what what people go through. But, I'll I'll go back to, like it's so funny because and I'm I'm I'm gonna reference Ryan's best friend in this too because it's it's it's like it's a funny story how the journey started and the kind of where we started. So we started, to learn to skate, and it was his first or second learn to skate session. You're in these with all these kids, and, you these kids are, like, wearing figure skates and ski helmets, and it's just, like, falling down all over the ice.
Chirs:And some kids have this stick. And, you know, he's sitting in this locker room with thirty, forty kids and afterwards and get unchanged. And there's Ryan wrestling with this kid in the middle of the locker room and, you know, you're trying to tell him, stop. I don't know who this kid is and, you know, I don't know who the parent is. And they're just rolling around in the locker room.
Chirs:Right? And, and so things are clearing out and there's, you know, now there's five kids and now there's just two and there's rolling. And there's this are there are other friends sitting across? And I won't say names just in case people are not, but this dude is sitting all the way across
Jamie:on the side of the room. Have mentioned his name a couple times already on the podcast, if you watch this.
Chirs:Kareem is sitting on the other side of it, and he's looking at the kids, and I'm looking at the kids, and I don't know. And obviously, he's cool because they're beating the hell out of each other in this locker room. Right? And so I introduced him, like, Hey, I'm Chris. He's like, Yo, I'm Kareem.
Chirs:And, you know, we kinda let the kids, like, roll around a little bit. Hey, I'm from Brooklyn. Hey, I'm from Brooklyn too. Just kinda ran this city ice pavilion on this rooftop in Queens, you know, right by the just shithole of a rink. And, but something I would never change.
Chirs:Right? I I I love that, you know, that Ryan grew up playing in this rink. But, so all of sudden, I said, boys, it's time to go. You know, we have a learn to skate next week. You'll see to each other next week.
Chirs:And then they're starting to walk that elevator and jumps on Ryan's back, my son Ryan's back, and literally Ryan lifts his head up, smashes this kid in the eye, splits his eye, swollen shut, literally first time meeting each other. Right? Boys have been inseparable ever since. So you had this kind of learn to skate where then all the kid too was talking about going back to skating. Can we go back to see each other?
Chirs:Because this is where they saw each other. Right? So they wanted to go back and wanted to go back and wanted to go back. And so you put them in this, they went to learn to skate and they pretty quickly, like, they were like, all right, we're ready for hockey one or hockey two. And then within, like, four months and you talk about these kids are four.
Chirs:They just turned three, four, five then five years old, like, damn it. And so they were decent enough skaters, which is wild, I think, just could you put them on the ice that they started this hockey prep where they started those ADMs where they had stepped up, the ice down in, eight sections. And you're there, and and both of these two are pretty good even though they're the younger of I mean, you play with mites that kids are it's amazing. Mites now, but go to what? Eight, nine?
Chirs:Where does it go to? Eight. I
Jamie:think it's eight. Yeah.
Chirs:It goes to eight. So they're like four and five, and they're putting them on with, like, eight year olds. There's nothing, like, special. They just they're able to stand up on the ice better than some kids. That's all it is.
Jamie:Right.
Chirs:And so they finished their first year of that. And, again, this is funny with me because Karim and I sometimes have two different things. It's like, hey, these kids should play travel hockey. And you're like, wait, what? And he up the whole remember, it's that first, like, big, like, tryouts are coming.
Chirs:Your kid, you know, get on. So, you know, I had Ryan try out. Kareem didn't have his son try out. He's like, screw this. I'm not doing this.
Chirs:He's like, this is too much money, and I didn't know what it was. So he makes this so called triple a five, six year old, seven year old team, whatever the heck it was. Right? And excited. Right?
Chirs:He gets his first jersey. My the bill comes at 6,000. I was like, $6,000.
Jamie:Is that what they got you for as a money? What the
Chirs:hell was this? I mean, I thought I was paying, like, $250. So they so they send us up every Sunday. We had to go to this this half cross ice thing up. It's Chelsea Pierce, Connecticut.
Chirs:And at first I was, you know, excited because he gets to go play. Then I'm like halfway through, I'm like, why am I bringing my six year old up to this? And then we're losing games like 92 to nothing. And I'm like, somebody said that you're good. You're like playing this triple A might hockey.
Chirs:Then that's that was my first of like, oh, this is all bullcrap, like kind of like of stuff. Right? And you you literally, you're just getting it was just wild. And and so my buddy Cream was like, yeah. I told you, man.
Chirs:I mean, I I told you. And then so the boys progressed that year and they did it. And our first thought was the organization, just like anything, takes $6,000, just like every others everybody feels like. You're this young. I'm like, what are we paying for?
Chirs:And that was our first thought of both us as parents, because this is a whole another story ourselves, is our two families, these two boys have brought these two families together. So I don't have I have one son, right? And I don't know what it's like to be a hockey parent with multiple kids because, God bless those people, like, legitimately have no idea how to handle
Jamie:it. Agreed.
Chirs:So there's two kids. They're, you know, they're basically like, you know, the movie Twins with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito? It's it's these two. One couldn't be taller or smaller than the other. They're they've been but they've been together, and we have two families that are able to take care of these kids and split responsibilities.
Chirs:And so for us, it was a decision together is, alright, Garth, these kids wanna play, where do we play? And then, again, we had no idea of this landscape. We tried at the out at the New Jersey Avalanche, and they made that team. And, again, you start you always feed into it a little bit. It's like, hey, my kid made this team.
Chirs:But as you get older, you kind of know that some of this stuff is a little bit of BS, and you try not to take it serious now. And and that's kind of like on my journey of of what I think about as how crazy I was. Because you get excited about those things, and you see your kid, and he seems to be okay, and and, and you turn nuts. We all turn nuts. Like, we all A
Jamie:little bit. Yeah.
Chirs:Get crazy in our sense, and the time and the money that we spend. Then, like, I'm going through this situation now, whereas I'm trying to make myself less crazy. So, I'm going along, and I'm trying to understand where I'm a lunatic and try to pull back because he's seeing it now that it's his teenager. And, so, yeah, there's, like, this this these these journeys along the way. But yeah.
Chirs:So my point, yes. My son plays triple a for the New Jersey rockets right now. He's on a very team. What does that mean in the grand scheme of thing of this age, to be honest with you? Probably nothing.
Chirs:You know, you know, I don't think it you know, this year, he's first year bantams, and the game changes. And we have a coach that tells us, well, this is the first real hockey game they'll ever play in a couple months, and they're not playing little league anymore. Right? And so it doesn't matter how good you've been before. I mean, I have no idea how he reacts to these situations and what's moving forward.
Chirs:It's gonna be fun to watch, but yeah. So that's my little bit of the start of how I got into it.
Scott:Amazing, amazing. So so you started talking about, like, just like some self reflection on on you recognizing, like, you were, like, you know, crazy in your own way, and now you're trying to be a little less crazy. I I can speak from my own experience, like, what crazy has looked like to me is, like, I coached my kid.
Chirs:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:I do I would do video review, hang up, like, goalie cams on both ends and getting games tagged and, you know, I'm taking my kid before school to, you know, private lessons. You know? So just what are some of the things that that looking back on it not saying it was that you would have done it differently, but what are some of the things that that maybe you could have done without or feel like a little extreme now that you look back on it, if if any?
Chirs:Oh, yeah. There's a lot that I feel like I could do without, but kind of going forward. And I I remember, and again, I always got I'll bring bring Kareem's name up again because I remember the first time it's like, we Jamie, you were there. Well, you weren't there with us in this situation, but you were on the team. We were at the Avalanche, and we we were in this tournament in Pittsburgh.
Chirs:It's a winter classic and it's actually a bigger tournament in that for the younger birth years of what people say are big tournaments. Right? And, we had made the finals. Right? And so
Jamie:I wasn't there with you. I left that year. I left right before you Yeah. I guys got left.
Chirs:So, all right. So, anyway, so we're the Avalanche. We we we playing in this tournament in Pittsburgh, we make the finals, right? And so the finals are actually at the Pittsburgh Penguins practice facility. Right?
Chirs:We get there early. Actually, the Penguins are playing. I mean, they're not playing. They're practicing. It's kind of cool to watch.
Chirs:Kids watching it. But then they shipped over and then they put like this Phantom games, this U18 game on. Right? And so we have, like, an hour to kill before the games, kids doing the warm up. So Cream and I decided we're gonna go watch this big boy, big kid game.
Chirs:You know, we're watching eight years olds. I think they're eight, nine, maybe first year of sports we were nine. And so, you you know, during this tournament, kids are going suck. Parents are yelling, they're going crazy. You get excited.
Chirs:You know, you're telling your kids Everybody in our stands, every parent is nuts, screaming at these kids. So we go to watch this phantom game, and now this is real hockey. These kids are legitimately killing each other in this game. And all these parents. Right?
Chirs:And so we we're just sitting next to this dad. He's kind of just leaning back on the stairs, and these kids are blasting the hell out of each other. And there is not one reaction from a parent. When I say nothing, these these people are late. You literally could just tell they're checking their watch for this game to be over.
Chirs:Can't wait to get the hell out of there. Right?
Jamie:Because there's seasons
Chirs:Well, yeah, exactly right. So we strike up a conversation with the guy. He's like, hey, what are guys here for? We're like, oh, our kids are, you know, about to play the champion. We're all proud.
Chirs:Championship game on the other rink. You know, what year are they? They're like, squirts. He's like, oh. He was basically
Jamie:like, oh. He's like,
Chirs:oh, man. You're just at the beginning. He's like, buckle up for this ride. And we're like, where are you from? He's like, yeah.
Chirs:Well, I'm from Connecticut. He's like I'm like I asked him. I was like, you know, this, you know, what kind of game? He's like, yeah, this is the finals. He's like I'm like, yeah, don't seem excited.
Chirs:He's like, man. He's like, I've been doing this a long time. He's like, this is just another hockey game. He's like, I can't wait for this game to end. I just wanna be home.
Chirs:He's like, you guys are see. You're at the beginning part. Everything's new. It's fresh, exciting, get crazy. He's like and he was just like this stone that was he must have edges on him one day, but he was just smooth and rounded.
Chirs:And like I said, they're in a real hockey game, and no there's no reaction from parents. There's no people going nuts in the stands. And then you turn to our squirt game and this parent screaming and yelling and getting fights with other people and yelling at the referees and doing stuff. But it was my first real, and I I vividly remember where I was at, what I was doing. It's like, oh, man, this, you know, this is gonna be interesting.
Chirs:And so I feel like I'm halfway to that journey of trying to be that smooth rock. And, I've I've done better of trying to control my emotions around people because I've been nuts in the rink and did everything that everybody else did. But, yeah, that was my first, like, that's the guy I strive to be right now, to be as calm as head as a rink one day, and maybe I'll get there. But in terms of things that we've overdone or what we what I wouldn't do again, and this and this is probably my first year of doing it. And and a lot of it has to do with our coach right now, who who, again, tells us, like, you don't need to do so much spring hockey.
Chirs:You don't need to do all the tournaments. I mean, my son just played his first tournament of the since March. The regular season ended just two weeks ago. And the last couple of years I was a guy that was four or five tournaments deep, six tournaments deep at this point in time. Right?
Chirs:And you always felt no because you felt the fear of missing out. Or if you say no, he's never gonna get invited again and you gotta make this person happy. You gotta make this coach happy. This guy, he has a good team here. You know, son played for this or he played at this college.
Chirs:His father is this. You gotta go do that. And, yeah, if I had to do it all again, if I'm if somebody's out there listening to me, their their son plays mites, they play sports, you don't need to go to a million tournaments. I'm telling you, if you really feel like it, you gotta pick one or two. I mean, you know, go go out and do those things.
Chirs:There's no need to be going to the Boston showdown every frigging Memorial Day weekend and wasting a three day weekend, and I did it for five years. I I mean, I get it. Have your kid playing on the sport. I mean, I gotta be honest with this is just dealing with my kids or the kids that I know in in my son's area. He's like off we're at the point where off ice is becoming important.
Chirs:These kids are starting to go through puberty. They need to start working out a little more. They need to start getting their body stronger. And you look at half the kids, they don't know how to friggin' run. They legitimately don't know how to run because they've skated so much.
Chirs:Right? And so for the this year, my son played lacrosse. He played some, you know, some he did some MMA. Last year was baseball. And all these kids are really good athletes when you take them off to get skilled at this level.
Chirs:But, you know, the basics of just going out and playing a different sport and I love that he played lacrosse this year because it wasn't a competitive team. We didn't play travel. We paid wreck. It was $250 for the season. I showed up.
Chirs:I had zero expectations. I can actually sit there and enjoy watching him. Whereas you're in the hockey environment, everything is your your mind as a parent, you're always so critical on your kid. We're all here. There's a reason why I'm on this podcast.
Chirs:There's a reason why you guys started the podcast and the reason why everybody else there is listening to this podcast because Yep. They all do the same thing. They might say verbally when they're around you, but they sure as hell do it in the car, at home, in a hotel room, somewhere. So when you're in that other environment and they're playing another sport and you don't have that expectations because they're there just to have fun, it's actually a freeing experience. So I'd say to anybody out there that's younger, that has that's that's it's not it's play another sport, do something separate in the spring and the off time.
Chirs:You know, again, choose a tournament if you wanna go to. I'm not saying not do that. My other thing is do is concentrate a little bit more on skating and less on, again, less on games and less on tournaments. If you're gonna be on the ice, have your kid skate with somebody. Literally, it's just skating.
Chirs:And and anybody that I talk to at the older level now, these kids that are playing, u 16, u 18, you're asking me advice is, have them skate. Have them skate with different skating coaches. Have them, you know, do that. Shoot shoot pups off the ice. They don't have to be on the ice all the time.
Chirs:They can be doing stuff like hand eye coordination from a different sport helps. And so you hear that from other older older parents from where on. So if there's somebody out there right now, don't fall into the money grab trap of spending thousands upon thousands of dollars on hotel rooms and travel and plane tickets to go play meaningless, ugly, sloppy spring spring hockey. Choose one or two because it's fun, and you want them to do it. But but don't get wrapped up in the hole because it really is.
Chirs:It's it's it teaches bad habit. And we we know kids now that just even this year that have played more games in the spring than they did in the full season. Right?
Scott:That's fucking crazy.
Chirs:It's crazy.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. We we Chris, we say
Scott:all the Yeah.
Jamie:We say all the time that, you know, the amount of time that you have the puck on your stick in a game, right, is nothing compared to practice time.
Chirs:Yeah, of course.
Jamie:I mean, practice is so important. You know, that Connecticut, that that female Connecticut coach, right? I don't wanna say her name, but we all know what we're talking about. You know, she always said, when you're on the ice, you could stick handle at home, you could shoot at home. But when you're on the ice, we're gonna skate Since they were mites, right?
Chirs:And there's a reason why, I mean, all credit to her, because there's a reason why that she has developed some of the best kids in not only in our area, but in the country -Yeah, sure. -Country me because she is, because of right. You mean, you don't need to be doing some of that stuff. You're you're skating and you're working on some development. And and when you're spending that money, right?
Chirs:Listen, we all spend the money and you and you put your, time and you you want something out of it. Right? And so, But yeah, mean, half of the stuff that can be done is away from there. Assume you don't have to be spending tens of thousands of dollars that we me ask.
Jamie:We'll save that money for skates.
Chirs:-Yeah. Yeah. Good Lord. That's another thing.
Scott:But, you know, I'm I'm glad you brought that up, Chris, because just to so my son, Otto, he his, like, second sport, at least right now, is mountain biking. I just picked him up in two weeks of mountain biking camp, loves it. And now he's back for a week before he goes to another biking camp. And, you know, we had signed him up over at the cutting edge and just to, you know, get on the ice, whatever. And, you know, he was he didn't he went Monday, was happy to go.
Scott:This morning, so not interested in going. And and also, like, during the season when there would be, like, you know, some time off or there's a skating clinic or whatever, I'd be like, dude, let's go work on skating. And he he would often say no. And so my question for you, and and so my son is 10 turning 11. He's now a Pee Wee minor this year, his first year.
Scott:But I guess my question to you is, like, have you had experiences with your son giving pushback on trying to do some of the less fun stuff earlier on, or has he always been, like, give me more? You know, for the parents out here that that might, like, be hearing this and saying, like, yes. Great. No more spring hockey. Now we're just gonna skate.
Scott:You know, and I know you're not saying that specifically, but like for the younger kids or even kids that might be a little older and might be somewhat reluctant, do you have any firsthand experience with that or maybe what would you advise a parent?
Chirs:First and foremost, and to be honest, my son has never really given me pushback on any of it. To the point where, with a couple of kids that they hang out hang out with, it's almost like you have to protect them and pull them off the ice more times than not. Now, that's not to say that it's not been like, hey, we're going to this power skating thing, and they're like, and it's not because they're doing power skating, because sometimes they're just not a fan of that coach at certain times. And because if you told them you're going to a different power skating, they're like, yeah, let's do that. That.
Chirs:Right? And so let's never say I never got pushed back on that stuff. But, yeah, like I said, I'm I'm more of the parent that has to now, and I'm learning, and I used to just feed them and feed them and feed them all the time. You want to go more? I'll spend more money.
Chirs:I'll get you on ice here. I just always said yes. And it was always and and to the point where now it's I'm no. It's it's time. It's okay to be off the ice.
Chirs:And he got frustrated maybe in the last three months because he found out these guys were going to these skates. And he know he got you know, was there times that he got invited to tournaments. Just wouldn't even tell him. And then because he found out one, he was he was literally pissed at me in the car. Right?
Chirs:And I'm like, it's okay. It's okay to say no. It's okay to not to be here. It's okay. It's okay to do that.
Chirs:Right? And, so and again, I'll bring up my proudest moment. And so I always say it's like, if he wants it, I'll wake up in the morning, I'll do it. And so I'm, you know, he wakes up every once in a while before before before school. I remember it was two years ago, you know, I'd set my alarm for 04:45, just like anybody, I would go get him.
Chirs:For some reason, I must have not set my alarm that morning or I just set it an extra fifteen minutes to go up at five. And he showed up in my bedroom. He's like, dad, he's like, why aren't you why aren't you up yet? I'm like, what? He's like, why aren't you up yet?
Chirs:It's 04:50 or 04:45 to go. And I like, oh, Ryan, I set my alarm for five. I just figured, you know, I showered last night. I'll brush my teeth and I'll go. But I told him, was like, that's that's the most proud I've ever been of him more than any game winning goal or overtime or something like he's done in a game because he had shown that he and I told him, I'll never set my alarm again.
Chirs:We're going. You set your alarm. And now this the morning he said he has to wake up. He sets his he started this at eleven. And and those are cool things as a father because, ultimately, that's what I want my child to get out of this.
Chirs:It's not about playing in the NHL one day. It's not about it's what this sport will teach him as he gets hopefully into college and through college. Like, my best friends in life are guys that I play football with. I mean, those are people that are at my weddings that my kids call uncle, that if my wife's on the side of the road somewhere, if my family's men around, she can call them. And I feel like that's what I want for my son.
Chirs:And it's the reason why I'm successful in in the business I'm in is because what I've learned from playing football and my work habits and my practice habits. So those things are the things I'm I'm proud of them about. And so, yeah, I mean, again, back to doing stuff, not really. I mean, honestly, not not, you know, not really. I'll I'll give you a sense, like, even last Wednesday.
Chirs:So, okay, I'm talking to you now from Rhode Island. As much as I've held him off the ice for the last couple months, it's almost impossible to do that. I've kinda jumped back down into, like, a cannonball back into craziness of hockey world where he's a week sleepaway camp at BU back to what, you know, his first tournament because our our regular season teams does one spring summer tournament just to get the kids together. So we had that at the, at the mini chowder cup right to two days or three days at Providence. To the point where Providence was Wednesday, they did a morning skate.
Chirs:They got an invitation to go skate with a couple NHL guys, forty five minutes away. So that was morning up at 06:30, morning, 11:00 skate. So they literally just took their clothes off in a forty five minute skate. I'm crazy. Drove them to they skate with a couple NHL guys.
Chirs:Really cool.
Jamie:You can say you can say who he's skating with. Go
Chirs:ahead. No. No. No. But it's and it's I was planning on taking him to Maine for a couple days because, again, I want them to be kids.
Chirs:I want them to go to the beach. They don't have to be. And then on the way up, they got invited by one of the Top Gun coaches because he's he's like, you're coming up here. The kids wanna play three on three. When, of
Chris:course, they're like, yeah. Let's go play three on three. Let's go
Chirs:play three to me. I'm like, you know, we could just leave and go to the beach right now. No. No.
Chris:No. Let's go play three on three. Let's go play on
Chirs:three on three. So I basically wasted a whole night's hotel room because now I don't get to this hotel till 11:00 because they were on it at 07:00 in the morning, afternoon, a mid afternoon skate and then an hour and change of a three on three skate in Massachusetts. And I'm like, what the hell am I doing? Like, why do I say yes to these kids? But so, yeah, that's where they're at.
Chirs:But now they're back at another week's sleep away at the U camp. So my wife hasn't seen me. She hates me. My daughter is there. They're basically down and They're in Ocean City, Maryland with her family.
Chirs:And that's why I always tell my son, I'm like, Buddy, you better love doing this because we are you know, I miss a lot of time with my daughter. I miss time with my wife. I miss time with doing some of this stuff. And he's happy. And I I don't I don't regret it because it's it's it's taking him to and my wife sees it where he wants to be and what he wants to do.
Chirs:But I would feel like if your kid's giving you pushback I tell my son all the time, and I'm not joking when I say this, the day you say you don't want to do this or the day I have to drag you somewhere, is it it's not an ego, I don't care, it's not a mean thing.
Jamie:I'm
Chirs:happy to go play golf on the weekends, I'm happy to go upstate skiing in the wintertime, I'm happy to spend time at my daughter's football games.
Jamie:Go do something else.
Chirs:I mean, just doing that. Like, I'm happy. So but as long as he's willing to wake up and do those things, for me, I'm gonna give him I'll I'll put mine on him. And, again, I'm not always the easiest person to deal with with him on his level, And that's a whole that's for a whole another podcast of, I think, what we could talk about of personal relationships of actually being the dad because there's a way to navigate this hockey world as a parent and this world that we have to navigate with other parents and coaches and taking them to these things and making the proper decisions. So that's one aspect of being a hockey parent.
Chirs:And then there's the other aspect of what's your relationship like with your child and and the ebbs and flows of that. And I think that's something I'm definitely struggling with myself personally right now. I think this weird age of the puberty level, and this is real. I mean, again, the earlier people that are listening to this is this is this is a weird year. This is, I think and everybody tells you, this is the weirdest, sloppiest year of hockey because you have kids.
Chirs:I just took them to Providence, this camp this week, and there's 13 year olds that are walking in with full beards, more hair on their legs than I have. You know, tall, huge, and then you have these kids that are sniffing They haven't hit
Jamie:it yet.
Chirs:They haven't sniffing a pube hair. They're they're not gonna work they're nowhere close to that, right?
Jamie:And Yeah.
Chirs:And but you also see a different mentality. Yeah, there's a different mentality there. And and my son's on the my son's on the not close to puberty. And his best friend or he is going through it. And but you see the difference in mentality.
Chirs:And that's something I struggle with, right, as a parent because I'm in the car I've been in the car with both of these boys since they've been three. They've literally gone to every practice together, every tournament together. You know, if I can't fly him somewhere, Kareem or his wife's taken him somewhere. If I can't but they're always together. And so I've seen this maturation of two kids that are completely separate.
Chirs:So it's hard to judge your son when somebody else is here. And it's not because it's just they're, you know and my wife always tells me, can't judge them like that, but it becomes hard as a parent and how you how you judge somebody and how you and how did it affect my relationship with my child. So, again, that's a whole another separate topic, I think, for a different day that I think how you guys interact with your own child. But I think, you know Yeah. No.
Chirs:It's not it's not easy being in this world and and navigating your your own social aspects of what you have to be with other parents, with your coaches, with the pressures you feel from, again, keeping up with the Joneses is it's real, man. And and it's it's real. Yeah. Know, Buy these $250 sticks that continue to break and
Jamie:Of $100 skates?
Chirs:Yeah. A $1,200 skates with an extra set of steel. If you don't have it because somebody else has it, what do you do? Your kid's disappointed in it, right?
Jamie:It's true. It's true. We've we've touched on that last episode as a matter of fact. Right, Scott?
Scott:Yeah. A 100%. I
Jamie:mean, it's the foe the FOMO in this game is real. It really is FOMO and the pressure, you know, from outside. And I'm sure it's not just ice hockey. Right? But, obviously, we're in the throes of it.
Jamie:So but, Christy, you actually made a very interesting point. You know? You know, you mentioned, you know, you're having a tough time with Ryan right now. Is that because he's getting moody because he's a certain age? Because I know my kid is certainly getting moody.
Jamie:I mean, oh my goodness.
Chirs:Yeah. I mean, listen. I mean, here's a here's a, you know, I'll I'll tell you a story of, you know, honestly, it's Mother's Day. It is Mother's Day. Right?
Chirs:And it's raining outside in New York City. Kids can't do anything. We technically don't have any hockey. So Liz, my wife was, she just wanted to go get a little manicure, pedicure, a little massage, do stuff. We were going out to dinner at night.
Chirs:She didn't really want to do anything. So, my son is on my ass to take him to there's a studio, a small little studio rink in City Ice, right? It's place that he grew up. I wanna go shoot pucks. I wanna go shoot pucks.
Chirs:I wanna go shoot pucks. He told me. I'm like, bud. It's Mother's Day. Mommy's going here.
Chirs:So she goes in the room. Mommy, can I can I go shoot pucks? So, like, yeah. Let's go. Alright.
Chirs:She can go. I'm gonna go. I'm like, oh my god. Now instead of sitting on a couch and watching golf or just even taking a nap, god forbid, for the first time, then I find myself in a car in the rain driving over to the studio rink. So I told him, I said, alright.
Chirs:If we're gonna be here, we're gonna do this. We're just gonna work on your shot. Right? There's things that coaches need to work on. We're gonna work on it.
Chirs:I'm gonna feed some one timers. You have to listen to me. I'm tired of you, like, trying to talk him back. So we go, I'm feeding him shots. Now I see a couple of things he's doing wrong, but, of course, I don't know anything.
Chirs:Right? So the the the talk back comes from him. And, of course, I get extremely frustrated. I'm like, I'm done. I'm done.
Chirs:You have this for the next forty five minutes. Do yourself. Of course, now he's, no. I don't want you. I'm sorry.
Chirs:And it comes back this battle. And, you know, I'm like, done. I literally got off this. Two of your time, come on. And I got home, and I told my wife, I'm like, it's all my fault.
Chirs:This is all me. It's like, I have these expectations of what I wanted or how I perceive a situation and how I know how I would react, even as a child. Like, I remember vividly doing things in football when I did it. It's like, somebody told me one thing. Nope.
Chirs:Somebody told me I was wrong or did something bad. I literally would sit there for hours trying to master it to do it. And I didn't need more than that. And he's different, and I expect him to be to use my way of thinking, way I do that. And I told my wife, and I'm like, he's just not me.
Chirs:I don't know if I could do this anymore. I don't know how to relate to him right now. I know he has a different way of thinking, but I'm just trying to give him what I know in the way I would react to situation, and I'm trying to give him the way I would be motivated. And it's not motivating right now, but I don't know how to do something different. So and so there's times I either pull back and don't say anything.
Chirs:Gotta be honest, I never watch a practice anymore. That is just a recipe for disaster. All you parents are out there that young and you feel like you need to watch every second of every one of your kids' practices and you go, don't do it.
Jamie:We started Listen to this man's book.
Chirs:Jamie, us out. All the guys get together and play. Either we have men's dates where we go out on for dinner and a drink when their kids are practicing, just strap them up at the front. We've started like this little pickleball league where we spent two hours of the guys and a couple of the moms on the team get together into two hours and literally play pickleball when they're practiced because you're literally just trying to nitpick every mistake that they ever do. And so I've gotten better at that, but it doesn't mean I'm perfect.
Chirs:Listen, I I try not to say anything 90% of the time, but then then you're, you know, you're at a tournament and you're having a couple of beers with the dads and you go to the game and you come home and you don't say anything in front of anybody. But you have those moments where it's like, what the hell were you doing? What were you thinking? You're not doing hard enough. Yeah.
Chirs:So I had it. And and that's when he gives pushback now, and that's when he's like, you know and if I say something nice to somebody else or, you know, his his friend that's in the car, you know, that that word, you glaze him so much. You like him more. I'm like, I'm at that stage. You know, it's like we're at that stage right now.
Chirs:And and it's it's hard because you want to have a relationship with them and you love them more than anything. Right? And you do. And And you know one day they'll be appreciative of you, but you know they don't understand and you Again, they just don't think the way you do, right? And so that
Jamie:Not becomes yet, more at all. Right. Yeah, they will. We're grown adults, right? Mean, it's funny how I think we all expect our kids to think like a 40 year old adult who has experiences.
Jamie:Right? You know, I think I know I sure do. I expect my kid to I'm like, why don't you know this? You know? And I have to step back and be like, he's never experienced this.
Jamie:I could tell him till I'm blue in the face. Right? But until he does it and goes through it and goes, oh, shit. That's what my dad's been talking about. And finally, clicks.
Jamie:Right? You know? But I think we all expect, and I think we all forget when we were their age, you know, were we playing in such competitive sports? Were we did we have the pressure that our kids had? I I don't think I did.
Jamie:You know? Yeah.
Chirs:Yeah. You know? No. I I mean, I didn't. Everything was my own.
Chirs:And, again, the same thing. I drove my bike to my baseball games by myself, you know, and and every once in a while, if they could, or you literally just sat on the curb waiting for somebody to get off work to pick you up. So To
Jamie:pick you up? Just had anger,
Chirs:and you had no idea when that person was coming to pick you up, right? That's You were just sitting there from baseball or doing stuff. Yeah. No, we're there all the time. We're over involved, which at times is I a good thing, mean, and times is, you know, you know, obviously, and not so much.
Chirs:So yeah. And I gotta be honest. So the the greatest thing that I have and and Jamie knows him and maybe has a different relation with him, but our coach that's coaching our team right now had never coached youth before. You know, he coached in the AHL. He coached in the ECHL.
Chirs:Right? He's kind of been a, a scout for, you know, some of these junior teams. And he just a couple weeks ago, I had, you know, I had a conversation with him. He's like, Chris, I'm letting you know right now. I was like, your son's path is just different than everybody else.
Chirs:I promise you he's gonna get there. You're expecting things to happen now. It's not his body type. He's not going through puberty. Just relax.
Chirs:And, you know, 75% of it I take, and and I guess, okay. I do it. And then you have those moments where you go watching, you're like, oh, man, he was shit today. And, like, what and you don't. Because you then you do somebody else, and you fall back into it.
Chirs:And I'll call Jason. I'm like, man, I mean, I trust you, dude, but I'm like, shit, it was hard today. I'm like, literally, like, I and because because we just played one of his first tournaments. Right? He's he's just now played two tournaments in the last, you know, couple weeks, but it's like, he hadn't played, again, a game since March.
Chirs:And so, of course, how do you expect him to jump into a tournament and then ultimately, like, play pretty well? It's not that he played bad. It's just, you know, you always want your kid to be one of the best or to stand out or do stuff. And then, so Jay's like, Chris, he's like, who cares? He's like, at the same thing, he's like, I'm happy.
Chirs:He's like, because he's gonna be fresh and he'll pick it up. He might be sloppy for the first two weeks in September. And then in come October, he's gonna be fresh and he's gonna pick stuff up faster than everybody else. And he's like, now I'm gonna be dealing with kids that just paid 75 games in the spring and they look decent when they come to camp. And he goes, By October, I got a bag of shit because these kids can't skate or they're exhausted or they're hurt.
Chirs:You know? -Yeah. And that And injury's part of it. I dealt with an injury at the end of last year that we didn't diagnose until after the season. You know, if
Jamie:you I didn't want want to
Chirs:Yeah. I mean, so it's like, you know, he played he played PV Quebec, it was before he was complaining about his groin hurting. Right? My groin hurts, can't do itself. Went to PV Quebec.
Chirs:He didn't say anything till it me after because he knows, you know, I I'm not somebody that, you know, I care about the game, but if you're injured or you can't do stuff, you can't. You're gonna just hurt yourself more. So take the time. You can take a couple of skates off. You can do stuff.
Chirs:Get yourself in healthy because you need to play an important game or something. So he didn't let me know. And then we go through districts, and then he's complaining at districts. He wants this, like, special tape that these kids put up. Don't even know what the hell it does, the stretchy tape or whatever.
Chirs:Put it on. And then it's not working and then district's done. So I'm like, finally, like, I'm gonna take him to the to the doctor. I'm go and he's explaining to me. And in college, I I tore my hip flexor.
Chirs:Right? So he's doing stuff. I'm like, right. I don't think it's your groin. No.
Chirs:Of course, he fights me. No. It's my groin. It's my groin. I'm like, no.
Chirs:I'm pretty sure it's his hip flexor. So I take him to, like, a not a chiropractor, but, like, an or doctor, whatever, sports medicine kind of stuff kind of stuff. He's like he's like, you probably have a either really bad strain or a partially tear of your hip flexor. And he's like, oh. And I'm like, he's like, I don't think you need to do an MRI.
Chirs:He's like, you know, he's like, know, he's gonna probably be off skates for a little bit. He's like, let me evaluate his hips. So his his one leg is longer than the other, the way his foot comes down. Right? And he looks at it and he's like, you know, he's got some some of these issues that start a little bit with his ankles and his stuff.
Chirs:And he's coarse because he wants to skate and I'm happy to let him skate all the time. He wound up having a having an injury, and I had to hold him off for a little bit. And then this is what the guy said. He's like, dude, man. He's like, they don't need to be skating all the time.
Chirs:You know? You can still be doing hockey stuff by having not having to skate and by doing stuff. So that was my first wake up call. And again, it wasn't a super serious injury where he was out, but it was, you know, this is overuse. This is the over, you know, continue doing stuff for years and you and all of sudden, now he's got this little, you know, tear in his in his in his hip flexor that's, you know, so
Jamie:That, yeah, that hip flexor is a pretty common, is a pretty common injury for for ice hockey players.
Chirs:Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:You know? No. Listen. It's it's hard to hold your kid off, you know, especially when they're asking for it like Ryan does. You know?
Jamie:It's it's it's a challenge that we all have to manage, and that's that you know, it's not easy.
Chirs:Yeah. And, again, part of it's our own ego. Right? I mean, to be honest with it's part of it's our own ego because you see that one kid that's a little bit better or doing something like that. Well, if he's doing that, I gotta do it.
Chirs:And, you know, he's shooting or skating. And so if they say, let's do it, then you you you you you do it, you don't realize kind of. So, you know, again, trying to get better at that. I mean, I'm definitely not there, but I'm I'm better than I was last year and trying to manage what he should and shouldn't be doing at times. So, yeah.
Jamie:Listen. Listen. I I think we could go on for hours, I think, with this conversation. And I I think we're definitely gonna have to have you back on, Chris,
Chirs:because A 100%.
Jamie:Yeah. Because I you know, because and you know what? Next time we have you back on, and we'll do a part one and part two. I think that's a great idea by you. And next time we'll actually get into, you know, your relationship with Ryan and stuff like that because I'm sure a lot of parents out there, you know, wanna hear that, and and some need to hear it.
Scott:You know?
Chirs:Well, like I said, we all struggle with our social pressures of of having to be in that, like, that circle of parents and, again, who you are and who your kid is and your standing and keeping up with them. And, again, again, whether you're at a tournament or, you know, you hear your this kid got invited to this tournament. Why didn't I? And, like, that that's a whole separate
Jamie:That's real.
Chirs:Yeah. Heart yeah. That's real. That's a whole separate thing, the mental anguish that we deal with that the kids don't know and deal with. So you re because of that, your attitude toward your child might be might be different.
Chirs:How you treat them, how you treat them in a car, those conversations and all that, right? And we all go
Chris:We all do it and go for it.
Jamie:You let your frustrations kinda add on your children, which is high it's it's a it's a very real thing in this game
Chirs:Right.
Jamie:Which I know we've all that we've all gone through. It's very real. You know? So you know what, Chris? Let we'll wrap this up today because we I know you have dinner plans and stuff like that, but, you know, we're definitely gonna have to have you back on if you if you wanna come back on and hang out with
Chirs:us a bit.
Jamie:Yeah. You know? Because this was great, man. This was wonderful. I knew it was gonna go well because, you know, you're, you know, you're a different type of hockey dad.
Jamie:So I I knew this having having you on for the first episode
Chirs:was I'm closet crazy, dude. I'm I'm crazy.
Jamie:I'm I think we we all are. Trust me. We all are. You know? But you were this was very appropriate to have you on for our first dad interview, so this was great.
Jamie:So, you know, so thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate you putting yeah. Appreciate you
Scott:so much, Patrick.
Jamie:Taking the time. Yeah.
Chirs:No worries. Thank you, guys. I appreciate I appreciate you being on. We'll talk soon. Alright?
Jamie:Thank you, Chris. Good be
Chirs:man. Here. Good Take
Jamie:care. Later, Chris. See you, bud. Bye. All right, everybody.
Jamie:We are back from our first interview with our first hockey dad.
Scott:Dude, what a great guy.
Jamie:He's awesome, isn't he? Awesome. Yeah, he's a rock star. I knew you, like I told you, I knew you were gonna like it.
Scott:Yeah, and you know, me, you have a relationship obviously and I know blah, blah, blah. But for me hearing a dad who's obviously not you and who I've never really got to know at all and hear him talk about his challenges, having a kid that's playing High level hockey. High level AAA hockey. And he's going through some of the exact same things that I'm going through, that you're going through
Jamie:That I'm sure many of our listeners are going through.
Scott:That many of them are going through. So the struggle is real. No matter what, that struggle does not discriminate. It comes with
Chirs:tier one
Jamie:It's across the entire spectrum of your 100%.
Scott:So I'm really looking forward to hearing more about just the parenting piece that he talked about and that he wants to touch on when we have him on again.
Jamie:Yeah, yeah. I think we liked it so much, we're doing a part two. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. So he's going to be in Toronto next week.
Jamie:So we're going to do it when he's up there.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:So yeah, no, he's great. Maybe I don't know if we can get into it. We might not have enough time. So he'll get into the relationship with his son Ryan on part two of that episode or that interview. I think like he mentioned in part one, I would love to actually get into what the two of us went through putting that topic Because holy crap, the stories that we have from that and the fact that our wives didn't divorce us during that was crazy.
Scott:Well, listen. Crazy. The legacy
Jamie:It's the amount of
Scott:the ongoing legacy is that it's the third best team in the 2012 birth year
Jamie:Yeah, second or third at the end Yeah, last something like
Scott:that, yeah. So that's no
Jamie:No, it was legit. I don't think either one of us would ever do it again. Right? And there was a third father that did it with us. I don't think the three of us would ever do that again.
Jamie:Right. It's rewarding to see that it's know what's funny?
Scott:Was successful.
Jamie:Yeah, you know what's funny? Because while we were doing it, while we were putting it together and while people heard about it, other coaches and other heads of other hockey organizations kept telling everybody that it's fake.
Scott:I remember you would tell me that, but they were probably saying that because they didn't want you guys to take their kids.
Jamie:They didn't. They didn't want us to take their kids, but they were saying that it was a hoax and that it was fake and that it wasn't real. You know what I mean?
Scott:Right.
Jamie:And then I remember that we won a tournament, once it was put together, we won a spring tournament.
Scott:Yeah, go shit.
Jamie:And it's funny because Chris and Kareem, who Chris mentioned Kareem and I've mentioned it on the podcast, but he mentioned him during the interview. Chris and Kareem actually we never coached, so he head coached. The two of them head coached on the bench. We're like that tournament that we were at. It was in South Jersey where the Titans play.
Jamie:But I remember we won. And I still have it on Dominic's Instagram. It was a picture of us with a trophy on the ice with Chris and Kareemer in the back, in the background as the coaches. And I remember writing something to the effect of, wow, they said it wasn't real. This trophy sure looks real, doesn't it?
Jamie:Or something along those lines. I like it, yeah. I came across it recently. But so I guess, so it not easy to put together. And the stories that came out of it were legendary.
Jamie:But you're right. There's a, I don't want say a legacy, but it's built. It's built. There.
Scott:It is a thing. And it's real and it's good.
Jamie:Yeah. And they're doing really well, is really cool to see. Again, would never do it again. Because I think if I did, my wife and Chris' wife would definitely, and Phil's wife too, would be divorced.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Well Yeah. Yeah. But Chris is
Scott:great. Yeah, no, 100%. Looking forward to the next episode. Right. Quick rant just to keep that segment flowing.
Jamie:Yeah, on your show notes, you wrote. I had a code word. You did.
Scott:Because I didn't want you
Jamie:And I sure don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Scott:Are you ready for the big reveal?
Jamie:Cage Deng, D E N G? That's what That you was a code word I see just it. So I Okay. I'm so curious what your rant's about, by the way.
Scott:It's about cage hang.
Jamie:It's about what? Cage. Cage Fucking hang. I don't like it. No.
Jamie:I hate it.
Scott:Not only do I hate it, I think it's dangerous. Of course it is. And all college players have fucking hang. Well, that's where all
Jamie:of our kids want it.
Scott:I understand that. So when to I pick up
Jamie:Cage Otto dang. I gotcha now. Cage hang. Cage hang. Fucking hate it.
Jamie:Fucking hate it.
Scott:Hate it. So when I picked up Otto from there were two things that
Jamie:I noticed right the I
Scott:noticed right off the when I went got to New Hampshire, I picked up Otto from hockey camp. Number one, flame tape was everywhere.
Jamie:You said that during the last episode.
Scott:So that
Jamie:was like,
Scott:okay. Fine. Yeah. But then he had he couldn't have loosened up his straps And he anymore? They're at the very wit's end.
Scott:Oh, yeah, man. And he's asked me about it before, and I was like, dude, no, not okay.
Jamie:No. No. No. And not because I hate it.
Scott:But it's also thing is the dangerous part of it.
Jamie:Well, I mean, good guy. You tell, can it go back into your neck?
Scott:Well, I don't know about back into your certainly So doesn't if you get hit from death From below. Someone's coming up on you Yeah. It'll knock your helmet back. I would think clearly have a chin strap, so that'll help keep it down. Right.
Scott:Hopefully. But part of it is also you can get a piece of the metal cage or I suppose the plastic
Jamie:In your face. You can get it. Like, it
Scott:can cut your chin. It can definitely hit you on the bone.
Jamie:I would think your teeth as the as the as the cage comes up
Scott:Depends how loose your
Chirs:chin strap
Scott:comes up. Right? The whole situation is ridiculous. Yeah. Otto had cage hanging and I was like, bro, no.
Scott:I hate it. Done. This is the last time.
Jamie:Keep You
Scott:it down. No doubt.
Jamie:Oh, so he did that while he was there.
Scott:Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so I was looking at him like, well, let's let's get a few things clear. Number one, dangerous. Number two, you are not a collegiate player.
Scott:Number three, your focus should be on things other than your stye points while you're on the ice.
Jamie:Can I add something to your rant?
Scott:Yes, please.
Jamie:Because there's something else that's very similar to cage hang that I also hate.
Scott:Which
Jamie:is? That my kid keeps asking me for, which I keep telling him no.
Scott:Okay. What?
Jamie:I mean, if you had to guess, and it's part of your sty thing that you were just saying.
Scott:He wants lettuce?
Jamie:Oh, his hair? I mean, hair is So when he gets his haircut, right, when my kid gets his haircut, he actually says to the girl, he's like, You can't cut the backstory? She's like, because I need it to hang out of the back of my helmet. He says that to her.
Scott:You know what he should do?
Jamie:He says that to her.
Scott:He should bring his helmet with him to the barbers so he puts it on just
Jamie:so can see where it comes to? Yeah. Dude, I'm telling you, it's wild, by the way.
Scott:Wait. He wants a But that's not eye black.
Jamie:No. We did eye black during our outdoor game in Buffalo, That was cool.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:That was cool.
Scott:Yeah. So it's not eye black.
Jamie:It's not eye black, and it is not his hair coming out the back of his helmet.
Scott:He want one of does he want one of those CHL really skinny neck guards? You ever see those in the CHL?
Jamie:No, actually. Shockingly, Some he does
Scott:these guys wear some very skinny It's
Jamie:like wearing a skinny tie. You're not even protecting yourself.
Scott:Listen, I don't know, but that's kind of a thing.
Jamie:Warroad, people. Warroad. Warroad. Okay. So Dominic wants and has been asking me for a while now.
Jamie:Yeah? Okay? He wants a tinted bubble.
Scott:Oh, Lord. Bro. So you're gonna do it?
Jamie:Yeah. Right. You know what I call it? What? I call it the douche bowl.
Jamie:I'm like, Dominic, I'm like, do you see anybody with that? I'm like, it's just for douche bags.
Scott:So, well, listen.
Jamie:It's called the douche bubble or the douche bowl.
Scott:One of
Jamie:Auto's I'm douchebags, Dom. Douchebags. You can't have that.
Scott:Auto's team last year, colors were green, white, gray, so one of the kids had it tinted green.
Jamie:I'm pretty sure it's illegal to have.
Scott:Well, he never got stopped. I personally was like looking out into a green universe
Jamie:would be
Scott:a little odd to me, but whatever.
Jamie:I hate them. I've never seen one kid on the ice with a tinted visor, with a tinted bubble or
Scott:tinted Can
Jamie:you buy a Dominic found them. He showed me a website. Like online? Oh, He wants, like, purple or blue.
Scott:Oh, no.
Jamie:I was like, bro, no way. Are you out of your mind? No. No. I'm like, dude, I'm like, no.
Jamie:I'm like, look like a total douchebag. I'm like, I don't
Scott:know that they necessarily some of them I
Jamie:don't know. I was not having So that's just as bad as cage hanging.
Scott:So cage hanging, yeah, that's something I had to tamp down. And I feel like it's not going to be the last.
Jamie:No, it's not.
Scott:No, but it's also more from a danger thing. Safety thing is
Jamie:kind I'd be a curious to see what the story is there, by the way.
Scott:Like what the rules say?
Jamie:Like how dangerous that can actually get. I'm sure there's stories about how the cat You
Scott:can look it up.
Jamie:That's what I mean. Think we should Next
Scott:episode, we're be
Jamie:I was just saying, we should actually come back to that. Yeah. But That was that was a good that was a good ramp by you.
Scott:Yeah. That was a good one.
Jamie:That was
Scott:So That was very good. I think we should we need to wrap it up. Let's just give, like, one last shout out to our partners.
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Jamie:Thank you very much for that, by the way. We really appreciate it. Also, ProStride, Angelo Serce, ProStride Elite Skating, our promo code is CHD, the number 10, for 10% off of Angelo's clinics. He is tremendous. And then API, we're going to have kind of moving forward possibly with your buddy, Eric.
Scott:Yep. Athletic Performance Insight.
Jamie:Right. Yep. That's coming.
Scott:So take a look there.
Jamie:Yes. Thank you everybody for downloading, for subscribing, on Instagram or on TikTok. I know we have reels out now, like you were saying, on on YouTube. We got one,
Scott:but there will
Jamie:be more. But there will be more.
Scott:You gotta start somewhere, dude.
Jamie:A 100%. Gotta start hey. Listen. We're on episode 20. Right?
Jamie:Gotta start somewhere. Right? I mean and now we're on 20.
Scott:Let's
Jamie:go. So thank you so much for the support. We really appreciate it. We could not do this without any of you, not only in The United States and Canada, but around the globe, which is Inlets. Crazy town.
Jamie:Thank you again to my buddy Chris Volmer for coming on. Really good interview. Really hope you enjoyed it, Scott.
Scott:100%.
Jamie:He's a great dude. He's a very, very wise hockey parent. I hope you guys got a lot out of it. I think it was so good that we're doing a part two with him, hopefully next week. So thank you again, everybody.
Jamie:I hope you enjoy your week. Keep downloading, keep sharing, write us comments. If you want us to talk about something, even tell a funny story, please let us know. We really appreciate all the support. And we will catch you guys in the episode.
Scott:Thank you everyone. See you next time. Alright. Thanks buddy. Bye.
Scott:Alright. Peace.