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So welcome to hypnotherapy reflections from training to practice. Today, we have Kevin Mitchell Casey with us, someone who's very experienced in the world of mental health, and ultimately went on to train with CPHT as a solution focused hypnotherapist, as well as all the other work he's done for a while now within mental health, across the board. So we'll explore his journey, the unique insights, both personal and those gained from training at CPHT and the powerful impact solution focused hypnotherapy has had since he's trained. So get ready for the inspiring conversation, highlighting the transformative power of hypnotherapy and the exceptional training provided by CPhD. So, Kevin, welcome.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Hi, Gary.
Gary Johannes:I think first of all, we'd better get you to introduce yourself and who you are, what you do, where you practice, all the basics.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Hello, everybody. My name is Kevin Mitchell Casey. I'm a solution focused hypnotherapist. I'm based in a little village just outside of Boston in Lincolnshire. I work with anybody who comes to me and asks for help.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I think that's what we all do as therapists. And I will work for a short length of time or as long as the time as a person.
Gary Johannes:Fantastic. So that's really, fact that you're in a small village in Lincolnshire. Many people think you have to be in the middle of London or the, you know, the metropolis, you know, but you're really comfortable working at a small village, and people know how to get to you, and it's quite a good community, I guess.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Absolutely. I mean, Zoom has made the world tiny, really.
Gary Johannes:Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:So recently, I've worked, with somebody in Abu Dhabi. Wow. Needed issues with. I've worked with somebody in Aberdeen, Certainly anywhere in the country. So Newcastle, Nottingham Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Outside of London. But, yeah, the world is tiny now.
Gary Johannes:Well, that's fantastic. So it really doesn't matter where you work. An interest in, I interviewed a graduate who graduated in Essex, but she comes from Norwich, but now she's travelling the world. And that's exactly what she said. So we can see that particularly this modality is really helpful to anyone, whoever they are, because they can contact you and work with you wherever you are.
Gary Johannes:So that's fantastic. What I want to ask you is what motivated you to pursue training as a hypnotherapist?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Years ago, and I'm I'm even the seventies. I met somebody who was a hypnotherapist. Oh, no. We've talked about hypnotherapy. He he trained as a straight hypnotherapist.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:You know, the old watching
Gary Johannes:Oh, wow. But it was a long time ago.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:It was a long time ago. And I was interested in it, but I had lots of other things going on in my life. I've just recently got married children, all that sort of stuff, and so I didn't pursue it. And then about 7 years ago, I was in a library, and I picked up a book for Transparei Chaac called Michael Yako. He's well known
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Michael. I've seen him in conference, so he's very good. Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Wish. I wish. And I was in my early sixties at this time, and I thought, okay. Let's have a look at this. So I read the book, and then it made me decide about, actually, hypnotherapy does appear to be very, very tough.
Gary Johannes:Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Go ahead. I did what everybody else does, Gary. I went online to find same hypnotherapy trail. Yeah. PhD.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And you.
Gary Johannes:Well well, I was gonna ask you that question later, so we might come we might have to do a full circle back to that. I'm quite interested because you you obviously, you know, got a little bit of interest peaked in the seventies, and that sort of stayed in the back of your mind and, you know, stumbled across across Michael Yapko's writing, in more recent times. But what was she doing between the seventies of when I met you in 2,000 and whatever.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:19, I think it was. I was working as a nurse. I've been a mental health registered mental health nurse since AT. Wow. So a good few years now.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And I love the job. I really do love the job. But what I discovered was that over time when people became more interested in what we're doing, NHS got to sale people. And what I mean by sale is that if you were a nurse, you're expected just a nurse. And if you're a therapist, you're expected just to get therapy.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And that's absolutely fine, but the reality is nurses can do more than just nurse. We can't do in therapy one life. But I was finding that it was far and harder to get the space and the time and the, agreement of my managers and the NHS as a whole. Give me time to work with people rather than just nurse them, whatever that means to people. Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And and that became ultimately quite unsatisfactory. Job itself is fine, but the actual ability to have a have a difference in people's lives, make the life different from what it was. Wasn't it? And that's why I wanted to do something more.
Gary Johannes:So so you've been you've been in mental health for around 40 years?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. Yeah. I still do. I still do.
Gary Johannes:So over 40 years or just over, because I also got married in 1983. So so I could work out the maths quite easy because I get told regularly how long I've been married. So you've seen mental health and all aspects of it. Now one of the things I'm aware of, being a hypnotherapist for a long period myself, is there are some conditions we we wouldn't work with, which are definitely where the NHS should be servicing people. But there's a lot of work, particularly solution focused work, which could be brought to bear to support that really well.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I think you're absolutely right. I mean, we talk about the the psychosis, you know, schizophrenia. And I tend to agree that there's a specialism there that it should be a psychiatrist for the treatment of the psychosis. But what we don't discuss often enough is the the after effects of the inside of it.
Gary Johannes:The Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Sense of self, the sense of who I am, what they are. And that's not treated very often in the NHS. And I know when I trained with you, it was quite a black and white line. We don't treat people as psychosis. We don't treat people with really deep depression.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Actually, in the 5 years that I've worked, I've come to understand that you can do something for those people. Yeah.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Absolutely.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:What level they're right.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. And I and I think the slight difference with you to well, I I've got no previous medical mental health training before I trained as a hypnotherapist. So it would have been very wrong for me to go in and go, oh, I can help people who are that ill. But you it's like people who have got really deep training of working with children or working with, neurodiversity, they can bring their experience to it once they're qualified as you did, and that's the difference. So the more people with your depth of knowledge, that would definitely add to that flavor, so that's good.
Gary Johannes:But from a standard hypnotherapist point of view, we would not work with somebody in that psychotic state. They need someone with your experience.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yes. Yeah. And again In the
Gary Johannes:right in the right place.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. And I often worry about this in my day to day job that we talk about cure.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. You
Kevin Mitchell Casey:don't have to you don't have to set yourself up for that. You don't have to say I'm gonna cure people. I'm gonna make a difference in somebody's life.
Gary Johannes:Yes. And what we can't cure people. State of mental health is a state. So it just it it moves up and down a pendulum swings for different people. And it's not about moving them to a solid space the whole time.
Gary Johannes:It's about putting control in, I believe, so they have more likely to maneuver that pendulum to where they need it to be to be the best of themselves. Yes. And that's our target, is to help people be the best of themselves, therefore, control and therefore change their lives. So you're absolutely right.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. And on my advertising, you'd see at the end of this this session, my strap line is getting you to where you want to be. I don't need to know be. You need to know be. Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And I think that's what we do is.
Gary Johannes:Absolutely. So so one of the questions I'm asking people is you you you I mean, you've already said you decided to do some training as a hip in hypnotherapy, and you looked online and you stumbled across CPhT. But what made you choose CPhD? What what was it compared to any other hypnotherapy training? And there is different modalities.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:A few things actually. The first was I had 2 things in mind when I first started looking at it for everything. The first one was it was in person. I didn't want to be sitting at a desk, reading papers online, or getting things sent through the post. As an individual, I'm a visual learner.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I need to be able to sit down and see what's happening, talk to people who are doing it, and copy this, modeling, you know, for some things. And the other thing is, which is really a silly thing, not to be local to me. I didn't wanna be traveling 5 hours or 6 hours to get to where I was gonna train.
Gary Johannes:Absolutely.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:So, you know, when I when I met came across you, you were, I think, 19 miles from my door to your training door. So that's a win win situation. The other thing is I talked to you on the phone. I remember when you all talk about solution focused therapy, not really knowing what it was. I knew what solution focused brief therapy was because of the job I do.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yes. I know it very well, but I've come across it. You know, the medical question. I've done it last. And I haven't spoken to you, and then having the chance to sit down and think, well, you know, solution for this free therapy, hypnotherapy.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Look at the marriage that there is there. That's what that's what give it to me. That's the idea of I can do that. That's what I want to do. And also having spent years years in the job and I first started sorry.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:When I first started nursing, it was Freudian's sake of therapy. Yes. And I didn't think about 5 years of weekly or face weekly work or talking about all the things that will happen to you to bring you to the couch or the chair was good for you. Why would you want to unearth that every time and and just put people back at the start? They they forward thinking the solution on the job, the training.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. Let's leave behind because when I talk about solution for setting therapy to colleagues and people I meet, I always say, you know, the patient comes to you with the problem. They know what is. And somewhere in the state of them, they'll know the answer. Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Just needs me to help them get to the answer. So I don't need to every time. I don't need to bring up the trauma, bring up the hurt, bring up the all that sort of stuff. I just need to help them get to where they want to be. And that's that's what made made me choose new people.
Gary Johannes:Do you think your extensive experience of working with people who had different mental health challenges, different issues going in their life, watching the treatment they would have received, different expectations, work working with people who'd been through different therapies within your within the NHS and things like that, gave you any insight into what you would and wouldn't want to be doing yourself?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yes. I I think you put your finger on the on the, pulse out. I wanted to make sure that what I did do was beneficial to the patient. In my experience, and I and I hope people don't take offense to this, As some people become therapists because they want therapy themselves. Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Sometimes they just want to feel nice about themselves. Absolutely fine then. I get a bit of that myself when I do my job. Yeah. But, actually, my drive and force as it has been for many years is to help other people.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I think that's what we can do in solution focused therapy.
Gary Johannes:Absolutely. We and I think, you know, there there's so much evidence of that. But I'm in interested in to see how you because you you're you're one of the rare people, why I've had interaction with. So as I've said, when I trained, I only had the the experience of watching people who I might have known with mental health issues or things like that. In fact, even though I've been doing this for 13 odd years, and it was still a little bit hush-hush then as well.
Gary Johannes:But you was at the sharp end of watching people with a lot of serious mental illnesses.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I was
Gary Johannes:looking at over 40 years what services were provided to them when they was in hospital, when they was out of hospital, what they were discharged with. Did that help inform your current practice?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yes. When I first started as a mental health nurse, we didn't have many therapies at all. It was medication. Yeah. And in those days, it was give them lots of medication to try and bring the level of illness down as a little bit.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And over the years, it's all changed. We know we know we'd we'd have met people or we treat we'd see people without actually thinking about treatment. Mhmm. What we haven't done is to develop a good community based rehabilitation rehabilitation or service. We we get them better in the wards and we discharge them.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And they may be given some follow-up. They may not be given some follow-up. Quite often, they're given a call saying, ring this number if you want more help.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:People in distress don't ring numbers. Just don't do that. So Yeah. I don't think we are as good at community care as I'd like us, but we're better than we were.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. We are. But that helps you inform where you wanted to go and how you wanna help people. And that's brilliant to hear. You brought all that knowledge and experience to a place where you could carve out a support system in, you know, your how you work, which is fantastic.
Gary Johannes:You know, when you was training, what was it you know, what stuck out in the training for you once you were training, which made you go, yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I I
Gary Johannes:made the right choice.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:For me, it was listen. I'm not blowing smoke here, but I think listening to you and your enthusiasm for the job. Also, you're understanding of what we as therapists could do for other people, and how we could how we could enable people to have a different life from the one that brought into the first session.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Now that's a really important thing to me that we can do things for people that maybe for their therapeutic models, for their therapeutic, individual services haven't been not been able to do. Yeah. We're interested in. Yeah.
Gary Johannes:So so one of the things you've said, and I and I I'm sorry to harp on about it is but it's such an important thing It's because you've got multiple years of knowledge of working, and you've seen the mental health services change and develop on evolve. You're now a clinical hypnotherapist. That's we we in solution focused hypnotherapist is very tightly tied to neuroscience. So we are continually getting re informed of newer, better approaches. So what what will you be doing to keep up with those current developments and and as the field changes and gets better?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I still read every day. I'm currently reading another Yako book. Yeah. Process orientated. Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah.
Gary Johannes:We should Michael Yako really, over the years, really move towards a solution focused approach. He he has very much developed.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I still do, CPDs with Yeah. Service. I still talk to colleagues in, via the Facebook page and via the, vision groups. Well, yeah, I do lots of things. We sort of done.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And also the solution focused therapy is gaining a bit of tracking. You've done some research. It's becoming a bit more mainstream now. So
Gary Johannes:Yes. It is.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:More and more articles about it. And, yeah, I think it's an imperative for any any therapist to make sure that up to date with the training, they're up to date with modern belief systems. The neuroscience changes almost every day, isn't it?
Gary Johannes:It? Yes. It does.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:But but people in the in the in the team understand that and can explain to us in easier ways because it can be quite daunting, I think. So Yeah.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Very much so. We we try to, continually, whether it's me, whether it's one of the other lecturers, one of the people doing the CPDs, we take that higher level sort of inquiry down into what's palatable to understand. And I think we do quite a good job on that, but it's always moving forward. And I think part of the solution focused approach it's always using the best available tools.
Gary Johannes:So that's really good.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Well, that's interesting because one of the things that we do is well, I like to think we do as therapists is that we we develop partnership with the person we're working with. And a treatment is a partnership.
Gary Johannes:Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Things about partnerships, you can hear things. So I always talk about is the hippocampus. Here's the hypothalamus. This is what it was. This is what we're gonna do with you.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And and you can see them thinking, well, that's right. I don't understand that now. So they're halfway there.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. And and that's the powerful part, isn't it, about that, you know, that that newer education. Absolutely. Which, again, I think that's lacking in a lot of services available to people. So they don't understand how to help themselves.
Gary Johannes:So, you know, that's really important part of what you deliver as a neuro education.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I'm gonna come across at the NHS. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it happens occasionally in some places, but I'm not gonna cross it as a part of a treatment model.
Gary Johannes:I think it'll be more down to the individual rather than the policy.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah.
Gary Johannes:So with all of that stuff you do, and you've said you're semi retired, how do you manage and maintain your work life balance?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I think that's the joy of being self employed as a as a therapist. I'm self employed. I don't have to meet the demands of the trust that I work for. I don't have to meet the demands of anything else. When I want to work, I work.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I when I want to make a decision, I'm only gonna see 6 people this week or 10 people this month. I can do that because I'm self employed. And doing that frees you up to do all the other things that you want to do. There's no there's no targets to meet. There's no, pressure from the manager or from my wife and things that give you more options.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:It's just I work for myself, and I do what I want to do. And it's such a it's such a free because, you know, like I said, I'm doing the same thing with 40 odd years. And you clock in and you clock out. You have to do this, you have to do that to, tell people why you're doing your work. And I come home and I think, well, okay.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I'll see these people this week or the next 5 or 6 weeks or 10 weeks, whatever it takes. Then I have a few days off if I want to. So it's a really different way of living your life. Much more feel
Gary Johannes:more in control?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Oh, every day. Yeah. Uh-huh. Every day I'm not working for the NHS. Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I love the NHS. You know, it does a great job in this in society, and it's done me proud over the last 40 odd years. But the, the idea of just doing it for myself is a much bigger
Gary Johannes:So one of the things is what we'd like to ask is during the time, so since 2019, you've been working as a clinic equipment therapist, and things happen. So have you got a success story that stands out for you when you've worked with someone? And I always find it because, you know, some of the people who've been on a training course are psychologists and this, and they've, you know, and they go, oh, this happened, and they've been a psychologist for 20 years, and they've never experienced these types of things, you know. Or is there anything in particular that you specialize in helping with, and that's given you ability to do that?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I don't specialize as such yet. I'd like to do sport therapy. I think we've discussed about this before, but I haven't gotten. I remember on the training course, one of the most common questions in the first 2 or 3 months was how long is a session? How long does it take to?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:How long does it take to work with someone? And your answer and, the other trainers are sometimes a day, sometimes 10 weeks, sometimes 20 weeks. And I'm thinking to myself, one day, you're kidding me, aren't you really? You're kidding. And then it happened.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I got referred a young lady. She was in a dead end job. Didn't like it. Didn't want to do it. I had one session with her.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. Within 3 weeks, she left that job, and she got the job in a Paris moral agency. Wow. Exactly. Wow.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And I I can't believe it. I I even got an email from the lady's mom saying, thank you for bringing my daughter back to me. Thank you for doing my gear. It was just, you know, one session, one hour. That's what it was.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:1 hour.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. I I that's quite a rarity because we would normally see sick people 6 or 8 sessions. Yeah. She's still very speedily when you're talking about mental health. Sometimes it's just that explaining to who they are, what they can do, and they go, oh my god.
Gary Johannes:And it's just that tilt they some people need it. They wasn't really mentally unwell, but they didn't feel in control of the.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Absolutely. Absolutely. She felt that the locus of control was outside of her.
Gary Johannes:Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:One session, the locus of control was back inside her and she went out. We saw a chap who, was a drinker for 30 odd years. Not to this point where he was sitting on a bulk bench with a, you know, a bottle and a paper bag, which is the extent where it interfered with nearly every aspect of his life, relationships, keeping the job, looking at the kids, all those things. He's shopping in Abu Dhabi. And we had about 10 sessions, and we just went through the science.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:What does that all do to your system? What does it do to your executive processing? All those things. And he stopped he stopped drinking after I I think it was 8 weeks, and we had 2 more weeks to just
Gary Johannes:People might consolidate that knowledge.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And he's still dry.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. And and and, you know, those moments I don't know how you feel because you've helped people all your life. But those moments where it really changed it because, you know, I don't when I work with somebody like that, it's not the impact I have on the person. It's that spider's web effect. How many you talked about his children and his colleagues and
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. It's ripples important, isn't it?
Gary Johannes:Ripples got yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. It's interesting to say it's interesting to say that about, you know, you you work with people you like. In in my ordinary job, in nursing job, I work as part of a team, and I can take a little bit of the, the kudos for making something better and getting destroyed or getting them well. When I'm working as a solution focused at an authority, it's all mine, and that makes me feel a bit different. I I I I get that, sense of, well, you did a good job there.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:That was you.
Gary Johannes:I don't know if this, is if this case for you, but I was working with somebody who trained with us, was a a doctor of psychology within the NHS. And then she trained with us, and she started working with somebody who had PTSD, some level of trauma. And I remember her contacting me and going, that's never happened before. Because she got this guy, had come in and said, I've got PTSD. Can you help me?
Gary Johannes:She worked with him for whatever many of the sessions, and to the point where, just like that young lady, I'm the best version of myself now. Thank you. And she said it's never happened where you get somebody from the first contact to last contact. Normally, you get given, this is your person. What will eventually get to this point and then pass them on to the next person?
Gary Johannes:You know? It's sort of like a production line almost. I know it's not like that.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:But there's there's no direct access to NHS mental health services. You have to go through your GP. You have to go through, maybe an outpatient clinic, then you may be assessed for a lower level of CBT, you know, computerized, granulized CBT, and then you may be passed on to somebody more in some care, like the psychologist. There was no direct end of treatment in the NHS.
Gary Johannes:But you can call you when you get somebody who's broken, soon as you're a bit better, you don't know when you move them on to the next person. So I never knew that until she explained that to me. You never see someone finish.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:You don't. It's up the hill getting there, and then it's up the hill getting out. So you you just never get that one touch to
Gary Johannes:Wow.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:One of those.
Gary Johannes:I I don't know how that makes you feel, and, you know, that was life changing for her as a therapist, as somebody who wanted to help people, because she saw that she could see somebody from first contact to last contact, taking them from their worst being to their best being Yeah. And just see it all.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. And I mean and and what does that do for your own sense of self? The fact that this person has come to you and from a to zed it's just been you, and they are much better than the first met you. How does that make you feel as an individual? Probably good.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Probably good.
Gary Johannes:Abs and that's why you, you know, we we we, you know, we do it to help people, but it's we wanna feel good and validated. So I've got another question for you then, which can necessarily be the opposite to that. How do you and I don't know if you've seen a lot of this because you work a lot in the NHS. How do you handle skepticism either from potential clients or the general public or your colleagues about hypnotherapy?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Well, people are always skeptical about hypnotherapy. I think unless they've already had it and it's been successful. So for me, the first one is to ask, have you ever had hypnotherapy? And most people say no because not everybody's been. And I always say, well, do you want to try it?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Let me put you in 20 minutes of chance. Let me let me let let me let you experience what it's like in the. And then you'll know that you're not gonna wake up like a chicken. I'm not gonna make you under some sort of a killer. Just gonna make you wonder.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And then there's those people who've been in hypnotherapy didn't get a beneficial effect from it. And I would talk often about what sort of therapist it was, were they trained, how did they train, where did they train, what did they say to you, Did they explain did they explain what chemotherapy is? Did they explain what trans is? Because it's surprising how many people have no idea what trans is. The COTV again with the old man with the watch.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. The waistcoat, you know, the gold watch across the.
Gary Johannes:Or or the stage hypnotist?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Or the stage hypnotist. Yeah. I mean, they've done us no service at all, really. And so then I talked to him about that, and then I described what I do about how, what trance is. You know, it's a different level of consciousness helps you focus on what we're talking about and gives you a deeper understanding.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I don't often talk about conscious and sub subconscious. I'm not really sure they exist as such. I thought, you know, the different levels of your awareness. And then I'll as often as possible, I put people in the chance. I did the work and lunch hours and things.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I'll put people in the chance. I haven't understand it. And then just say, you know, when you're ready and you need some help, promise to get proper solutions
Gary Johannes:for So you're you're happy to demonstrate so people can go, oh, wow. That's not what I expected.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:You know as well as I yeah. You can put something in France in 15 minutes. Yeah.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Yeah. It's the simplest thing we do.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:If you haven't got 15 minutes to the working day, then your job's worth of it. Yeah. Yeah. I do a bunch of times I do it just sitting with you. Yeah.
Gary Johannes:So you're the first person, though, who said you actually do a practical demonstration of what you do. Most people have said they use the science and talk about how the brain works and because I certainly do, because a lot of people have been so misinformed, and there's so many, misconceptions about what we do. When we start talking from a clinical science point of view, they go, oh my god. I didn't know it would that that was involved. I thought it was just, you know, walking around like a zombie.
Gary Johannes:So but you yeah. You you sound like you've got that handled really well.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. You've gotta have a mixture of the 2. You've gotta say this is science behind it. And then this is how it ex this is how it would you experience as a person.
Gary Johannes:Do do you get the people you just can't convince and you what do you do with that?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I don't stress about it. It's okay.
Gary Johannes:It's it's up to you. But exactly that is like, don't try to change what you can't change is well, you can't argue it.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. I mean, you know, hopefully not hopefully, but there might be a time when they need hypnotherapy, and hopefully you'll back. But if they don't, that's absolutely fine as well.
Gary Johannes:So on a personal note, you come along, you trained as a hypnotherapist. Did that training and since working as a hypnotherapist affect you? Have you changed? Have you had any personal experience from hypnotherapy training?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. It it changed me dramatically, actually. A lot of said, I've got a recently good experience in the NHS. You know, I've been, a strong as a support worker, working on the boards, and then I became a senior manager. But I always had a more than my fair share of the cost has been Mhmm.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I'll be found out one day. I'm not good enough to do this. I shouldn't be doing this level of work, this type of work. And then when I came into a solution for the therapy, I knew that I should be doing that sort of work, and it was a different thing. And that's trickled over into my day time job now because I don't feel that anymore.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I don't tell people I'm the best person in the world because I'm probably not. But I know I'm saying myself I'm pretty good now. And before had that thought. So, yes, it made it's made a huge difference to me as a person.
Gary Johannes:That's that's amazing. And I I didn't know that.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:It's not
Gary Johannes:it's not it's not what you talk about, is it?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Mhmm. I've had a couple of conversations at work in the in the in the canteen. I've got a room about the size of a telephone box where we make teas and coffees. And I I spoke to one lady I worked with a lot. So she, to a degree, suffers the same.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And she was exactly the same as me. She'd be on the job, I think, a year longer than me. It got to quite a senior level, but still have that impostor syndrome. And it was such a refreshing feeling to know that I had that. I don't anymore.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I put that down further as quite a decision.
Gary Johannes:Wow. That that's amazing. You know, it's it's you can't buy that. I don't know.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Well, it's a good fortune.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Well, I I think I think you can come and see one of us, and it will it will come and train with us, but I don't think you could tell people. I don't think anybody will believe they because you need to train to become a hypnotherapist to improve yourself as in you. You No. No.
Gary Johannes:Wanted another skill, another set of knowledge, and you've walked away from it and better that version of you as a side effect.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Absolutely. You know, I I I'd like to say, I'm not hanging on with this, but I've been forward. Yes. So I knew who I was. I knew what I could do and what I couldn't do.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And the thing about this the, imposter syndrome, I was at ease with that. I was settled with it. You know? It's part of me, like, having a dodgy right eye. I can't say it with me and having, you know, a bald head.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Nothing that we got those sort of things. But then coming to the solution, coming to the training, and realizing that actually becoming a clinical hypnotherapist is something I can do, and my success rate is 100%. So I've never failed so far. No.
Gary Johannes:And you won't because you one of those people who really understand the process and use the process well.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Don't you think so? Yeah. And and and yeah. And then that just trick us into life. Yeah.
Gary Johannes:So during your training and possibly since, where did you feel you were supported during your training by CPHC, by the lecturers, by your peers? Was, you know, was there an ongoing support from the cohort, from your trainers?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Honestly, I mean, that's the important thing about CPHC, I guess. I've only got experience with your training, so I don't know what the other trainers do, but I'm guessing it's We're
Gary Johannes:all the same. Weirdly, we're all the same because we're all trained in the same way.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. So from the first day when I spoke to you in the phone, you explained what it was about, to the first time I met you in person on the first day of the training. All the paperwork was there. Everything was in place. All the panels were there.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Everything I needed to think about being a solution for a certain therapist was there. Then we got the, telephone numbers from you and the other trainers. We could call anytime. We could Zoom anytime. We were able to have our Facebook page, which we did for the 1st 9 months while we're training, and then we moved on to the CPHP Facebook page.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Everything's there for you. All the trainings in place. And there's no such thing as a stupid question. And I'm one of the people who worry about stupid questions. Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:But there's no such thing as a stupid question.
Gary Johannes:No? No. And and in fact, as a lecturer, we love stupid questions because if you're thinking it, someone else is. And generally, for me, if you're thinking it, it means I've missed something in my way I've told you it or the way I've so it's left you confused. So I need you to ask me the question so I can clarify it better in a different way.
Gary Johannes:How did you find the other students?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:They were such a mixed bag. It was quite refreshing. Because, you know, in the job, you do the training. You're always gonna meet a nurse, a psychologist, an occupational therapist, a physiotherapist, a dietitian. They're all gonna be health related backgrounds.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I remember in my train course, I had an ex taxi taxi driver. Yeah. A guy who run his own business in Norwich. I had a lady who was a dentist. Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:So lady who was a I'm I'm I'm probably because I'm where they were in the room. So it reminds me. A lady who run a little gift shop.
Gary Johannes:Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:A guy who the dentist husband worked in a factory. So there was a complete mixed bag.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:The commonality was that we all wanted to do what we were trained to do.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. And and I we work very hard. I certainly do when I speak to people, almost to put people off to make sure they're fully aware of what this is. And it's a you know, we want people to be very successful. We want people because if you're successful, you get that 100% success rate.
Gary Johannes:That means all the people you see are better. And we've we really are passionate about helping people. Yeah. I I you know, the and we only wanna train people who really wanna make a difference. So everybody who ultimately comes on the calls are there for the same reason.
Gary Johannes:And and I think every single course we've ever delivered. And I've delivered 70 odd courses now. All you know, everybody's there for the same reason. They want to be better.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:What about the help? We made our first Internet search. It wouldn't have you know, you can't be stumbling. You've got to have to you got to want to do.
Gary Johannes:So what did you do or how did we help you prepare? So you spent decades working within a huge probably the biggest organization in the UK, I think, the NHSR. So everything is always provided. You'll get told what uniform to wear, what wall to work on. So you'll, you know, to a point, almost institutionalized.
Gary Johannes:I'm an ex serviceman, so I get that. K. And then it's like, I've gotta work for myself. I've got to set my own business up. I've what do I do?
Gary Johannes:How do I do that? How do I get a client? How did you find what we did on the course or you did on the course supported you moving into that new world of being working for yourself?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:So at the time, I didn't realize what you were doing. I remember that after 1:3, we have to start looking for our own clients, and that imposter syndrome really hits you then. Am I gonna be able to do this? Can I have I got the skill base? Have I got the knowledge base so I can sit down and see people?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I know it was free. We, you know, we didn't charge people. But that that clinical experience, that in vitro, real life experience Yeah. More of my training. But I could actually take the skills that being given by yourself and you're the trainer and take it forward and give it to other people.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And then there was the just daily discussions. I'm saying daily, we didn't train every day, but every time we met, you know, have you thought about this as a sort of website? Have you thought about this as some, online presence? Have you thought have you thought about I'm really sorry. Have you thought about where you're gonna have your practice?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Is it gonna be online? You've got a room? You've got 2 chairs? Even to the silly things, like, wanna make sure you've got enough blankets and towels to keep people
Gary Johannes:Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:More the transcript. Their temperature just drops sometimes. But everything that we want to ask, you give us an answer to. Yeah. And we're just encouraged all the way through the thing.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:They're gonna specialize in this. You're gonna work with children all. You got very low levels or sportsmen. You know? Everything was Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:No matter what question we asked, they would answer. And most importantly, the answer wasn't just answer. It was suggestion of how to do it. Not
Gary Johannes:Again, because we want you to be practitioners. One of the things we which does set us apart from all the other schools is the fact that you have to work with people from day 1. You start practicing those first day from on people, friends, family, and then you graduate. But by the time you graduate, you've worked with few dozen people, and you've got clinical confidence and competence. Unfortunately, I see lots of people come on our training courses who've already trained elsewhere, but they've got no confidence because they've never seen a live client, or they've done the training online.
Gary Johannes:And so it's not, you know, it's not fit for purpose. So we you know, that that makes, again, makes me very happy that you did did that. Since you qualified, has that continued in any way?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:It has. You know, we've we've got the regular supervision groups, which I attend as as often as I can really. And even now after 5 years, you know, I don't I don't talk to myself as the greatest clinical therapist in the world. I still learn something every time I come on to the session. And it's just, you know, this particular compound is being discovered in the brain.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:We think that does this in the brain. Possibly, you know, I didn't know before, not talking. If it's a particular way of speaking to somebody, have you thought about approaching that particular problem in this direction or in this direction within the bounds of solution for us in Turkey? They're not something new. The other thing, of course, is the CPD.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:You're not gonna have extra training people can do via your services. Yeah. I'm doing the advanced diploma at the moment.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. So there's lots of support.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And telephone, you know, call anybody anytime.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, everybody's available for you. And I think that and and it's such a family's the wrong word. It's easy with with him, but I think CPhT, once you get involved with CPhT, the level of support from loads of different directions, not just the people who trained you or even your supervisor, it's generally very supportive as a community, because we've all like minded.
Gary Johannes:You know? So what do you find most rewarding about being a solution focused hypnotherapist?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Being a solution focused hypnotherapist, I find the most rewarding. That's a bit. I don't mean it to be. I can remember having a discussion with my boss a long time ago saying, I just go to this thing called a solution for hypnotherapist. And in my job, we come across lots of DBT, yeah, DBT.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. Any three letter acronym. You know? And I said to her, this is the one that I can wholeheartedly support. Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I'm gonna be I'm just gonna accept it. I'm gonna believe it. And I do whatever I do within the bounds of solution posting VIP. And that's what makes me feel happy because I know that it's proven. It's effective.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:It's short term in the sense 10 weeks rather than 10 months. And it gets and I keep saying this to people. It gets people from where they are to where they want to be, and I can't ask more than that really.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. And and and it's a nice product. So what would advice would you give? Someone's now in that position that they they've read something like a Yako book, you know, or they've had hypnotherapy, and then, oh, I could do that. What advice would you give to somebody considering a career in hypnotherapy?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:It's interesting that last sentence you said, oh, I could do that. My answer to them always is, well, why aren't you? Get online. See PhD. These are people that train me.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Get online. Book a course. At the end of the day, you're gonna leave the course with a vast, bad full of skills. You may not go or may not want to go to private practice. You may want to see 1 or 2 people, may not wanna make a career of it, but you have all the skill base.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:You have all the knowledge, all the learning, and the ability to do it. So just do it. What's stopping you?
Gary Johannes:Wow. So before I've
Kevin Mitchell Casey:done it 30 years ago.
Gary Johannes:Sorry?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Wish I've done it 30 years ago.
Gary Johannes:Yes.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Of course, it wasn't available then, but I wish I'd done
Gary Johannes:Well, well, I I did mine when I was my mid forties, and it was a complete a 180 degree turn in for me. And you know some of my history, which was before. But a very, very good friend of mine said to me, the teacher appears when the student's ready.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yes.
Gary Johannes:And I though I wish I'd done it when I wish I'd done it at school and wish it was him, but, actually, I wouldn't have been ready to be able to do what I was doing until I did it. And I think that's what it is. When when you know, you know.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And I think that's one thing to ask you about, oh, could I do that? The fact that they're interested in doing it it's funny that, yes. Well, I'm ready to do it then. So just get them to it.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. So in a in a moment, I'm gonna ask you to give us all the details of where we can contact you, but I didn't send you these, and I've done it to everybody. I've got another question for you, which I haven't told you about.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Go ahead.
Gary Johannes:Okay. So, if you could have hypnotherapy sessions where you delivered the therapy with any historical figure, who would it be and why?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Oh, a really good question. Wow. What a good question. Well, my heroes are the Beatles who I probably wanna deliver to John Lennon, so I think he was tortured. He, was a wonderful songwriter, wonderful musician, but there's something about his soul, about the way presents.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:You can see the torture in his eyes.
Gary Johannes:Yeah.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:And I just like to I mean, he's still gonna die. That's his can't help that. But just to give him some difference in his life before he went off. Yeah. That would be it.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:I mean, there's a few other people, but yeah. It's a hero.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Yeah. No. Absolutely. I'm I'm just really pleased that you didn't say Donald Trump.
Gary Johannes:Because, you know, we're we're very good at what we do, but there are limits.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yes. Absolutely right. Yeah. You can't work with the, you know, the likes of Trump.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. So, I mean, that I've asked that question to people, and everybody comes up with somebody different. John Lennon's amazing. And, actually, you're right. Part of you know, you could see his, whatever his anguish.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Yeah. He
Gary Johannes:was sitting behind everything else. So yeah. It would have
Kevin Mitchell Casey:been some so so clearly.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. It would be fascinating that would be. So, Kevin, thank you for today. Now some people would be particularly as you've got this global business where you work from this little tiny village in, Lincolnshire, but you reach A
Kevin Mitchell Casey:little tiny room. In a
Gary Johannes:little tiny room, but you reach globally. How do people find you?
Kevin Mitchell Casey:So my company name is ProVision Solution Hypnotherapy, and that's it. We have some socials on our online. Just ProVision.
Gary Johannes:So Facebook is called ProVision.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:On Facebook.
Gary Johannes:Yep. ProVision Therapy. Yeah. Yep. So what we'll do is if I'll make sure they're also in the text of the YouTube text and everything that I do, so people can find you link to that.
Gary Johannes:So that would be fantastic. So I'd just like to say it's been a pleasure as always. And, you know, you what we we could probably talk for hours, you know, so massively appreciate it. Thank you very much, and, I'm sure we'll speak soon. Thank you.
Kevin Mitchell Casey:Harry, have a good day. Take care yourself.
Gary Johannes:Thank you.