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South Asian / Desi dads in their 40s stumble through fatherhood, midlife, and cultural chaos — with laughs along the way.
Welcome to NaanSense! 🎙️ A podcast where dads in their 40s share the funny, messy, and real side of parenting, culture, and aging.
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And my oldest was like, "You know, you you said the said the f word." I was like, "Oh, I don't remember that. Are you sure?" He's like, "No, no, I'm sure."
Hello everyone. Welcome to NaanSense! I'm your host, Ahmed Mirza. NaanSense! is where dads open up and talk freely about the things that we rarely talk about and what it means to be a dad. I'm joined by my two co-hosts, Sajid and Emad. So join us uh with a cup of chai. Enjoy this conversation and we'll stumble stumble through all of this nonsense. Also, coffee is just fine. I feel like chai is one of those things that we've been ingrained with, but you know, this is a cultural norm that we should be okay breaking. No idea how you're drinking coffee at this time and you're going to just like not be able to go to sleep. Disregard your heritage, but okay. No, that's fine. No, that's the point. I'm not disregarding. I'm I'm plus oneing my heritage. I had Yes. You're adding to the fabric of our culture. This is a quote. Isn't chai like a complete colonial invention though? Is that not correct? So, okay. But I I want to get to this, but like nearly all of the spices across South Asia are also a colonial invention of some sort. That's not true. Look it up. We South Asia did not have access. Everything What do you mean? Like all of our spices were bought from You're saying the chart masala came from like No. So the spices of lal merch, harimmer, all of these different peppers came through trade. So they came from Africa and other parts of the world and they are not indigenous to the subcontinent. And actually our foods were very much legumes and other based foods before uh trade. I know we clarify uh words for Eric, but can you clarify legumes for you know the the lay people here of the world? Yeah. Legumes. Dal. Dal. Not the chaval, but the dal. All we were eating was bland ass dal. There's an episode on uh chef's table on Netflix, but basically they talk about how in South Asia there was nothing like that. like the food was like think of how Afghan food is or think of how some of the Middle Eastern food is. It's like planer. It's it doesn't have all of the, you know, 20 different spices. That's how the food was typically. H okay. Interesting. Well, sounds a lot better for the colon, but here we are. So, getting into some of this cultural heritage, I I want to tackle today the DIY mindset. And you know it goes in many different ways but I think there are some hallmark qualities. There's things like DST day standard time right? So daisies typically have a penchant for arriving late you know non-stop gossip Minaj just covered that already. Well too bad. You know Hassan could you come on our show? You Hassan Hassan dad to dad to dad. Hassan I'm talking to you. Why don't you come on our show? Let's have a conversation. Listen, we appreciate you listening. Non-stop gossip. Yeah, non-stop gossip, right? Auntie, the auntie cartel. Why do you think these things persist despite so many different generations? So, I was on a vacation with my kids and my parents last weekend and started looking at my photos that were taking with the family and my dad not smiling in any photo like you know what this this is not normal and they never do. That's exactly. So like go back to like their shadi photos. They're getting married. You expect them to be smiling. My mom's not smiling. My dad's not smiling. My grandparents photo shi day like nobody's smiling, you know. Nobody smiling. Yeah. Like nobody nobody's smiling. So I you know I don't I don't want to throw uh poor Zarish under the bus, but I remember she was smiling and like somebody I think made a comment to her that hey like you should smile less or something. I'm like that's crazy. Hey, in our family we don't smile. So, yeah. Would you mind toning it down? Dude, that was so strange for her because in our family there are no expressions of feeling. No hugging, no I love you. Like, that's just not a thing in my family. I don't know if it's how it is in your family. When I was growing up, I rarely saw my parents hug, embrace. I mean, god forbid they even express any sort of public displays of affection. this thing right you know lo right and we're gonna get into that later but I don't know I mean like can you explain that for Eric we were inside our yeah for Eric go ahead EMTT yeah yeah so lo like what will people think what will people say just kind of like worried about the gossip or or like the after effects but this is inside our house like yeah is me the log is me I don't know what that is but I think it stems from warm, right? So, my mom, the most like smiley, just happy type person, especially around her kids. Yeah. I didn't know she was smiley. But as soon as the camera came out, it was like like the most and we would tell and you know, like after a certain age, I was like, I mean, yeah, smile, you know, and but it was so awkward for her to smile. I did ask them one time. I was like, hey, like look happy. They're like, we are happy. It's like, well, it doesn't look like it. Why? Why? Why do you look like that? Like this is you're reminding me of like so I'm getting we we we got married in Pakistan. The wedding invite says at 9:00 p.m. sharp. We wrote down sharp just so that we know like it's we're not messing around. We're not going to do DST. Um 8:30 p.m. rolls around. I walk down and my Sherwani all ready to go. And there's like nobody in sight. My my chacha is still living in his in his lung and in his banyan watching TV. Like parents aren't around. Like guys, like would we have to be there by 9? They're like, "Yeah, yeah, we stay at 9:00, but like and sure enough, nothing even started until like 10:30, right?" I was just like, "Wow, wild. This is crazy." So, I'm sure this is really a familiar story for anyone that got married here, but let's say the invite is 7. You have to tell all your non-day friends. You call them up. You say, "Hey, listen. I know it's at 7. Please be there like 8:30." Like, "No, no, what do you mean? That sounds really ju just trust me there, you know." So, no matter what, two of them will show up on time. Yeah. And he's like, "Okay, now now you just look like the, you know, part of the staff, you know." Okay. So, what what else? Like, what about the gossiping, right? So, like, you know, the and this thing has is pretty big, right? like you go to someone, you trust them and then you you find out this person turns around and you know tells their person your story to someone else. I don't want to be on propagating it but I definitely enjoy listening. Like you enjoy gossip. How do you enjoy it? It's just like you know this person
and then like we will never talk again and then you're like oh like what what did this person say? It's just the best. Like that's no interest. I feel like form of entertainment. Yeah. I mean that surprises me about you because you present a little bit better than that. No, it's just Wait, wait. So, does this mean that you talk about us to other people? You guys are not interesting enough. Like I'm more interested in like drama. Yeah, I want that real drama where like this uncle is like this other uncle owes me $30,000 now is like going after the kids because the other uncle has died and it's just like like bring more of that. That's okay. So, this this is another quirky behavior that we should probably dig into also is how did our parents so easily and freely lend money to people? Sometimes they would lend the kid be like, "Hey, like I have an extra kid. You should raise this kid." And like that was a thing. That's a ne that's next level wild. Yeah. But I Okay, I kind of understand the the first one, right? Sorry, the second one around the kids because for some reason I understand that more. But you know, you have a lot of kids and if one family doesn't have kids and all that kind of stuff, but the lending of the money is really interesting. I actually give them a lot of props for that, right? Because they were in this like survivalist mentality. You know, we talk a lot about things that we don't want to we like unlearning from our prior generation. I think that's one that we could probably hold on to because they were in survival mode. People would show up uh that they may not even know that well and they're like, "Yeah, I help you out." I think we should keep that. But then like 15 years later, would you be like, "Hey, I need that money back." That's different. Yeah, that's different. That's a different ball game. I mean, I think I think I think that puts upon the person that's lending getting the loan, right? Is you need to actually pay it back and, you know, treat it flippantly. But do you think our generation is worse on that? Like we like we No, no. I guess I'm asking like because that was the norm back in the day like when my dad came, right? Yeah. I don't think I would, right? Like that's just not how we how we are. And it's kind of like would you even lend like 10 grand to somebody that is seems good, you know, like is the mods I I asked I asked you for $5 last week. You wouldn't even give me that. No, the answer is definitely no in your case. Yeah. I'm not giving you the money. I haven't had many instances where people have come to ask for money, you know, like for lending purposes. So, I don't know. Maybe I I had a friend who had just moved and like for some reason like their parents had transferred money over wire wire and they had to buy a car that weekend and that money wasn't going to arrive till Monday but need needed to pick up the car on the weekend so they wanted $10,000. I I remember lending it out. I was like, you know what? F like did you get paid? Did you get paid? Yeah. Monday. Monday I got the money. Oh, okay. Yeah. But this sounds like a real known person. Yeah, totally. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Like my dad definitely got help when he came to America through those types of things, you know, like I think that's very common way that we supported each other up and but I should be a disclaimer. If anybody after listening to this podcast like reaches out, hey, you should help me out. I will flatly say no. So yeah, for sure. Yeah. Like I don't want to give the impression that I'm like generous. I'm not I'm not a freaking bank. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Emma though Emma might have some money for you. I have no money. I have no literally I have no money. Okay, so these are some some interesting things. How about like the other quirky behavior is like when you go to ask you know your parent maybe it's an uncle when you go ask for advice or when you ask for help like why do I feel like sometimes the answers I get are exactly what I see on LinkedIn today which is like it's very long it's very complicated. Are you asking for B2B sales like no but like I'm just asking for like simple advice and then I get this whole lesson about like
I don't know. I think the mistake you're making is asking for advice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think ask for money. Don't Don't ask for advice. Ask for money. Straight. But I guess No, but I do want to talk about like why is giving advice or getting advice so complicated? Like no one gives you a straight answer. I guess that's what I'm getting at is no one is transparent or honest. Is that when you go? What do you mean? Like let's let's about go deeper. I want specific like what kind of advice did you ask for like and you got like okay so let's say let's say you're like in the midst of a job a job like asking no no my the kind of job you're looking for I don't know who you're going to ask advice from I'm just saying like how did you navigate when you had a family and kids and like you were searching for a job what was it like and instead I get like this whole summary of like our family history on like everything that's been completed then they're like I'll Let me tell you like a 2hour lecture. Let's let's let's go through our history. Let's just because they don't have an answer for you like let's just tell you whatever we can come up with. I think it's a bandwidth thing. You ask somebody and they're like that are working and doing a you know a lot. He's not that far away. He's not Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Go figure it out. No, but or they'll give you quick answers, a couple of quick nuggets, you know, but the higher up you go, the more time they have, that means the more time they're going to spend with you because they're like, "Oh, shoot. Someone, this young buck is interested in hearing about my life." And you know, the context and the whole storytelling becomes whatever I'm doing right now. I have an uncle who worked for like he was an economist uh and he like really had studied China like so every time like I go for to ask him for advice every advice like let me start telling you about China and how China is going to become like dude like I don't know how this relates to anything I ask but I do get that from the older generation they want to provide context on how we've gotten to this point I think we're going to be like that too right because nothing is too much context you just say context. I need like the meat and potatoes, you know? Well, my dad has a real knack for, you know, he's talking about one thing and then he'll take like a turn and they'll take a few more turns. He's like telling you about someone and then the relationship to them through like some other family member and then who they're married to and you know, just like a bunch of like contacts and it's like, okay, what's the their train of thought? Yeah. By that point, we're done. Do you like stoke it and let them go on and on forever or do you try to end it? I try to sometimes flame the fire. I'm like, you guys kind of know me, right? Like I I actually have no idea who you are. Yeah. Well, appreciate you letting me come on this podcast. We just met at the Ralph and you know, I know I was your lips. Your lipstick and your your lips caught my attention and your blush foundation that you put on your face work really well. I do wish men could wear makeup. That would be cool, right? We wouldn't look like [ __ ] all the time. They see men I mean wear goal, right? They wear eyeliner some of them. Do you? I've never seen you. I haven't seen I don't I've never seen anybody do that. I mean I have like at the mid like a very specific type of person, but I feel like that's probably going to be me in like a handful of years. That's why it's a startup idea for sure. So okay. So this cosmetics for this men I think is a real thing. somebody start it up, put my face on it. So, this this notion of like keeping up with the Joneses, that that's what it sounds like where it's coming from. Let's go with that. Do you think that's going to be different in our generation? I think so. I don't think we're necessarily more or less superficial. However, I do think that if you look at the average early American, DIY, they look younger than if you look at pictures or you have your memories of Well, it's not just they look like I think they're going to the gym, they're like working out. That's the number one thing. Yeah. Right. So, I don't think that's a superficial thing. In fact, I think that's a really, you know, positive health thing. We're looking at all these things that our prior generation dealt with in terms of health issues. I think that is that's great. So, to me, we probably will, I hope, look different than like the 55year-old, you know, uncle version we saw you maybe a few years ago. I think it's a lifestyle lifestyle. But you don't you don't think you don't think access to the internet and all of like the culture that's spread through all the major platforms is is is going to places back home like you don't think people in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, you know, Sri Lanka looking at that? Yeah, for sure they're doing that. I think the life expectancy and like what at what age are you like I think that's that's all like moving further out like I'm just comparing ourselves to the prior generation people in Pakistan and other parts are like actually some of them are you know quite pro uh you know trends and and all that like probably much better than me uh and a lot of lot of the company we keep right I think you're right about from our parents' generation to our generation like we're a lot more conscious about our physical health, but I think we next generation like they'll probably go one step further and think more about our me mental health more like I think we are like a little bit more lackluster like therapist like oh who goes to a therapist like that's not even a thing we can talk about like why but why are those things taboo to begin with? Yeah, that's a really good point. So personally I think that therapy should be something all of us should explore. You know, just throwing that out there as a general idea. But in terms of why we're like that, I mean, let's name it, right? It's taboo. It's like, you know, you're something's wrong with you or you have a, you know, mentally or a disease or something. Yeah. But where that comes from, I think I'm curious what you guys have to say about that. I think the general taboo in the in the past was like you should you be going to a doctor? They're most people were like, no, you shouldn't. But now like times have changed. People are like, "Yeah, you should be going to a doctor no matter what." Yeah. But we don't think the same way about our mental health. Yeah. Right. Well, that's right. Apparently, both of you don't think about going to the doctor. We We talked about that recently. Have you Have both of you gone yet? I want to Dude, remember my remember my like daily pill like take a pill every day. Are you guys doing the annuals now? I need a I need a I go I go every three months now. now like because of that I go every 3 months because I have to do I have mine scheduled for October. We need some receipts. So, okay. I feel like you're going to reschedu it. I'm I won't reschedule. I will show you. I need that colon report. That's coming. That's going to be fun. But mental health. Yeah, I think I I do think the next generation is going to look at us the same way we do at, you know, our parents. And so just going back to like the mental health thing, it being taboo or many other taboos in in DIY culture, I think a lot of it stems from unfortunately colonialism. I think if you studied colonialism in the subcontinent, what you realize is that almost all the people in the subcontinent were made to be inferior and to be made out to be the other. And there I think at that time it was just so pervasive that that trauma set in a generational standard that was then passed down. And that's why it became taboo because they were already inferior. So then when you you know you have you come across with like oh I have like depression they're like great that's another thing to add right? So I think colonialism is mostly to blame but I try to uh push back on a little bit. So I do agree colonialism, you know, core reason for so many of our issues uh and including probably this one. But this idea of not addressing mental health um concerns, for example, just like a very basic like do you go to a therapist? Yes or no. Would you go to a therapist? Yes or no? Seems to be an issue across multiple ethnicities and and cultures likely amongst men, right? Like what is that? Is it just like a new area that we're exploring as a civilization? This have this like chip on their shoulder mindset. I mean this are also like crazy, right? But most dies I know are a little crazy. So a famous man once said give examples. One like interesting thing that like dies do is professional nitpicking. So like anytime you share good news instead of just like saying wow that's amazing for them. Yeah. They'll find a knit and be like, "Ah, that's a it's not that great because of XYZ reason." That's a great point, but I think it's not that great of a point. Tica, no, I totally agree. Expecting something more, you know? Yeah, a little bit more. Is that all you have to offer? That's how I felt about our first episode of the the podcast. Shut your mouth and get off this podcast. Producer Sab Salman, please kick him out. Just Just get him out. I I do hear you. I think the professional nitpicking thing and it it could be I just see you right and you know you say salam and the first thing oh you're looking pretty kamzour you know or or too much like like weight you're overweight or you're underweight and just like maybe we maybe we don't open with that I don't know where does that come from like this like negative stance on the way we communicate with one another the inability to just let things go and just take it as is without having to make it better or like make it to perfection is crazy. What where is that coming from? Is that also the colonialism and the this chip on your shoulder need to put the other down and this like hyperco competitive uh culture that we have. Hey guys, your your kids are really cute, but my kid my kid Yeah. is the cutest. Just just saying that. Emma, I think your kid is really cute. Oh, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Thank you. No, I I totally So, I think it's way worth way worse for girls, right? I think like at least for guys, I think it's probably not that bad, but you know, you get the passive aggressive stuff, which is like a now a different topic, right? So, I did I did deal with some of that being a hands-on dad and uh for like the last like 11 years, I've had a kid in my godi right in in my in my arms and somebody will say something negative like well you guys uh you dads are like you know changing diapers now too. Oh my god. Yeah, we are. And I actually like and you should have as well. And you should have as well at some point, you know. But I get it from I get it from the guys, the the grandparents, the the aunties, you know, it's everybody. It's not just men or women. Yeah. I know there are guys who take some who who take pride in the fact that they've never changed the diaper. I'm like, you crazy? Like you missed out on your kids like childhood and you're proud of that? Like that's nuts. Or just I mean my my dad never changed my diaper. I will say that. So ne neither does mine. Times are definitely changing but still like there are still people who are still people. Yeah. Or just like this idea of spending time with your kid, right? And yeah. So I have three kids as I've mentioned probably on every episode because I think about that a lot. More? No. Three is done. No. Wait. How many How many do you have? I have one, two, three. Three kids. So, you know, like a lot of times we're dividing and conquering, right? And I'll be with the kids and somebody will be like some comment about the wife, you know, like the wives are not with the kids. Jeez. And it's like that's so she's literally with two of the kids right now. I'm with one, you know, like it's uh it's weird. It's wild. So I'm curious, Ahmad, where now as you think about us coming of age, entering prime parenthood, and then obviously raising kids, where where does this go? Where does like how do we embrace tradition? How do we bring about new values? How do we let go of the mentality of gakhen? Like yeah, what happens? Yeah, I know. Like I you know I think this like interesting generational trauma getting passed on I think is a hard cycle to break requires a lot of self-awareness on part of our dads and parents generally thinking about like what are the places where we break the cycle of negativity nitpicking just like those like cultural norms that we've like carried for a long time and I think these changes do happen. And I mean like kids are also really really smart these days. But I do think it's a it's something for us to like break some taboos like well let me ask you this purpose when you Yeah. And I agree with you. So, as it relates to our children, how do we deal with the fact that, you know, there's going to be some auntie that's going to make a very dumb comment about they're overweight or they're underweight or they're too tall or not tall enough or they're being too shy or they're being too outspoken or you name it, right? Skin skin color which is very skin color. Yeah. And if it's different between the siblings and I have a that's another thing. You want them to develop a thick skin. But on the other hand, you don't also want them to have this like negative association with their culture or you know there's a joke in in our family community that like a generation of girls aren't interested in going into the masjid because you know the trauma that aunties cause uh you know 30 years ago just being so negative or uncles. Yeah. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but like I go mazjid or like community still feels so super patriarchal. I'm not sure if we have we're close to solving this problem for our daughters, right? Like there's a lot of unresolved communal issues that still will take a while. So, la last thing before we kind of close out the section, you know, do you ever get comments on your parenting style? I'm very curious from your parents. comments, but like judgment. I don't know if I Yeah, like Oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's that's a good distinction. You know, like if I'm around my parents and my kids are around, like I'm like they're watching. They're they're judging. So you're you're almost like applying self-lame. Yeah, totally. Totally. And nothing nothing's ever like verbally communicated. Putting our kids to bed, right? Like from very early on we're like 700 p.m. bedtime, right? Like my parents are like, "What are you doing?" like could not be but like there should be no rule or like co-sleeping and furthermore like the sleep training I'm sure didn't go over very well with your kid with your parents exactly like they can't they can't stand a kid crying for more than like 3 seconds like 4 seconds is just too much well we we failed on sleep training three out of three but when we tried we we got that like I remember my mom being like you know this is like sucks dill stuff and my mom's very soft and very like doesn't get in the way of the parenting stuff. I think if you ask my wife, she would agree. So, but in that case, she was like, you know, this is like suck deal. This is not like this is not how our people we don't have, you know, other cultures suck. We don't have it. What about what about screen time? I'm anti-screen time. But what's so interesting is my mom was like, "Well, why don't you just put them in front of the TV? Like, you know, you'll be okay. You watch TV." And I'm like, "Mom, but programming has changed. Like, you know, it's not the same and it's on all the time." So, I definitely I do hear judgment of that. So, but when it comes to like our parents, my dad is very like um they don't kind of get it, you know, like so, you know, I'll be on the phone with him and you know, like two of my kids are having meltdowns and he's just kind of like, "Ah, kids will be kids." I'm like, "Yeah, but I'll buy it." like dealing with it right now. I gotta like hop off and, you know, go go deal with it. You know what? Yeah. But I bet when I get there it I might be the same, right? Because you only get those few moments with your adult children to talk and you try to squeeze it in. So that's probably a generation thing. Yeah, I I hear you. You know, like having said this about our parents and like the culture, I think there's a lot of gratitude we owe to all the craziness. Have you I recently read this book called Destiny Disrupted. Highly recommend this book with the history of the world from like the middle world perspective. Really interesting. But it talks a lot about like all these traumas that last like 75 to 100 years have caused uh including the colonial changes and everything. But like having gone through all of that, these folks like gave us a childhood that like we somehow came out of and like are here in this country like I'm like g having complained all this much like I think there's still a lot to be super grateful about. I think it was nice growing up the way that I did, right? Like seeing all different types of aunties, uncles, getting to know their personalities, very detailed. I do worry that sometimes our kids aren't as connected to that and they may end up losing some of the cultural values and traditions and one can hope that maybe over time we can do better. I don't worry about that at all. I see you guys who've grown up here. I'm like, "Ah, this is going to be just fine." But that was before the internet, right? So now now you have like the internet and all these these other distractions. We are not who you point to as models of success in that realm or any realm in any realm like yeah I mean like we're we're it's 11 p.m. and we're recording a podcast. Yeah, we have some midlife as I said we we are definitely dealing with I have a friend who will tell me he's like you're American you know like why do you keep thinking about yourself in this like dual way right and it's like there's a lot to unpack there but given who we are and where we're headed as people Muslim Pakistani American and whatever other labels you have for yourself how do we grab the good and then leave behind the not so That's something I grapple with every day. Uh like this reaction I'm having to my kids. This is not this is not a good one. Where is this coming from? I I personally feel like having a life partner who is helping holding us accountable not and like actually setting the bar for that like is doing wonders. Like I think I don't I there's no way we would have been able to. I don't think No. Yeah. I mean you bring the bar so low. No. sometimes like the intuition or just general higher level of competence and wisdom, but my wife will say something or or help me manage a parenting moment or any other moment for that matter. And I'm like, "Oh, yeah. No, no [ __ ] Like, I was doing this so wrong." So, I'll give you an example. Many, many years ago, when one of my kids was was little and we would have like a potty accident, right? It was at a very appropriate age to have those types of accidents. My response was like, "Okay, well immediately we're going to wash this child and shower them like at night." And my wife was like, "Well, you're kind of punishing and it's disruptive in the middle of the night. You're making it where the child feels like they can't make mistakes." And I was like, "Oh, no [ __ ] That's totally that's totally accurate." Like I am not creating an environment where mistakes are allowed where just No, but it's a trade-off, right? Like you let them sleep in their poop or like do you want to like So you're like, you know, I see where you're coming from. Yeah. I mean, yeah, exactly. I mean, it's pee first of all. Everybody was in alignment that we change them and get them out of the the sheets that are dirty, right? Go to a different bed or something. But it was like the act of like showering right then and there at like 2 a.m. My wife was like spot on, I thought. And since then and it's kept Mhm. so many reminders that I am just would be would be hopeless doing this in any other way. What other sources of interesting parental guidance do you guys like any books you recommend podcasts or any other resources? Dr. Becky. Dr. Becky is good. I like Dr. Becky. Yeah. Beyond books and podcasts, I think what's important is having your kids see how you guys emulate relationships with other people. So like how are your relationships between each other, right? How are your relationships with your friends? I think seeing that enables a lot of culture and a lot of learning. You know, Daisy culture tends to be like being proper and looking and acting a certain way, but I think it's so important for your kids to see all of the emotions, all of the seriousness, the silliness, the fun, the sadness. Have you guys ever cried in front of your kids? Yeah, I have. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Have you? I don't know if they've seen me cry. I like that. Did you cry when you fell skateboarding? No. So, What's funny about that? Yeah, I did not cry, but I cursed the f the f word fb bomb loud. All three of them were there. They all heard it. And nobody said anything because I was really I was really angry. I was just like, you know, you know, like I can't believe this happened. And like two weeks later and my oldest was like, you know, you you said the said the f word. I was like, oh, I don't remember that. Are you sure? He's like, no, no, I'm sure. And it was funny. We had a meeting. All the kids had a meeting. We talked about the kids meeting. They do kids meetings all the time. It was awesome. So, uh, yeah, I would, um, I would almost take crying over saying the f- word. I think I think we should end it there. That's a that's a lovely way to cap the the discussion. So, typically we have a rotating segment, whether that's the dad dilemma, we've had get off my lawn. I think today Ma had something that he wanted to share, so I'll I'll him. I have a dad dilemma. My parents only like daisy food to go to China or like Switzerland and they're like, "Hey, we got to eat fine daisy food." So, we were on vacation and we were at a all-inclusive resort in Mexico. We're in Mexico. And now this Mexican resort has a restaurant called Taj Mahal and I'm like, I should not take them there because it's going to be like really bad. But I'm in a dilemma because it's the only like Indian so we have to go there. Worst mistake ever. Every single meal that came out. I I He went in with a low bar. Like, you know, Mexicans making Indian food at an all-inclusive resort. Not going to work out. Well, I mean I mean maybe they had a DIY on staff. Like all of the food like you will never say this is Indian food. Like you would eat it. But I was like you know to be fair to be fair if you live in the LA area any restaurant you go to be a di or Chinese or anything there's Mexicans making delicious. Dude, you go to Bundan, which is like as authentic of a Pakistani restaurant, and it's all being made by Mexican. So, yeah, any food that came out there, any food that came out, they're like, "Oh my god, this is the worst." I'm like, I they I couldn't have won because I couldn't have not taken them there. But lesson learned. What What was What was any conclusion out of that or did they appreciate the effort? Oh, no. We apologize. I had to apologize to them that we came to like they're they're just like I you know my dad was not smiling. No bueno. No bueno indeed. No bueno indeed. Good stuff. Well, thanks for joining. You can find us on Instagram, YouTube, Spotify, Apple NaanSenseShow. Like, follow and subscribe. We want to be an extension of your living room. Grab a cup of chai. Sit with us. Enjoy some banter. living room anyone's living room, dude. Until next time. They're going to be like complaining.