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Build a life - leave a legacy
You were created with gifts and talents, with an innate ability for greatness.
Most of us as kids have dreams desires and passions and want to take over the world.
Then life happens and our beliefs and dreams start being taken away.
On this podcast we find other people who life has happened to, yet overcome and go on and deeply impact the world in a very positive way.
I believe you and I can all do the same, yet the messages that come across online although mostly are great and true, can be very confusing and hard to apply in a personal way.
We will also discuss some of the issues in life that tend to frustrate us yet don't often think about.
I'm excited to have you on this journey as we draw out what is most important to you through interviews and personal reflections.
BTS - Andy Pocock Podcast
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[00:00:00] Kingsley: Welcome to the Better Tomorrow Show. The show that's all about becoming the best version of yourself. Whether it's improving your physical health, boosting your mental well being, sharpening your productivity, or nurturing your relationships. My name's Kingsley and I'm interviewing experts to support you on your journey to a better tomorrow.
[00:00:30] Kingsley: Welcome to the Better Tomorrow Show. It's all about each one of us becoming a better person and creating a better tomorrow for ourselves, our family, And professionally and joining me in the studio today. is psychotherapist Andy Pocock. Andy, thanks for joining us.
[00:00:45] Andy Pocock: It's good to be here.
[00:00:47] Kingsley: Now we're talking today about progressive permanent growth.
[00:00:52] Kingsley: So something hopefully all of us are working on and it's part of our journey for all of us. And tell us a little bit about what that actually [00:01:00] means.
[00:01:00] Andy Pocock: Well, Kingsley, I I've been doing this job now for well over a decade, actually probably closer to two decades, and I found over the years just how difficult it is for people to grow.
[00:01:15] Andy Pocock: It's really easy to go to a seminar or to have an aha moment and, and you think you've, you've got something new, but actually to grow, effort and growth only happens over a period of time. And that's how this progressive permanent growth concept, I just call it PPG, uh, concept has come about, uh, to help people actually make a permanent progressive change
[00:01:41] Kingsley: in their lives.
[00:01:42] Kingsley: So tell me you said before that it seems hard for people to progressively grow. What makes it difficult? Change
[00:01:51] Andy Pocock: is hard. It, it is so easy to be motivated short term. It's easy to, you know, listen to one of these [00:02:00] influencers or, you know, motivational speakers, but to actually put that into practice so that it becomes a permanent part of yourself is really difficult.
[00:02:12] Kingsley: So we can hear all the good stuff and we want to do something, but the next step's the hard part.
[00:02:18] Andy Pocock: Yeah. Talk is cheap. It's really easy to hear it, but to do it and to become it, that's the hard part.
[00:02:28] Kingsley: Have you found any specific things? that are more difficult for other people to do? Like, is it a general in area, every area of life, or is it maybe certain aspects of life that are more difficult than others?
[00:02:42] Andy Pocock: That's a great question. What I'm finding as we roll out this concept, I'm finding that different people are challenged in different areas. For some, it may be physical changes, and they really struggle to bring about physical changes. Other, it may be [00:03:00] mental changes affecting their mood or their, their thoughts.
[00:03:03] Andy Pocock: So it really depends on where the person is at and what they're grappling with. And it definitely is not a one size fits all.
[00:03:13] Kingsley: So, And then I'm going to take that a little bit step deeper again. Are we talking a difference with males, females, different age brackets, different family makeup, different community backgrounds?
[00:03:27] Andy Pocock: Yeah.
[00:03:28] Kingsley: And.
[00:03:29] Andy Pocock: All of those factors seem to affect people differently. We've had probably equal numbers of males and females embracing this concept. And just as I think back over the groups, over the, over the people involved, males and females are affected by the same things and by different things. So it, it, It's not, it doesn't seem to be gender specific.
[00:03:54] Andy Pocock: It seems to be just on an individual basis.
[00:03:58] Kingsley: So what we're [00:04:00] talking about really is sort of changing habits, isn't it?
[00:04:04] Andy Pocock: Well, it's deeper than changing habits. Um, so yes, it is changing habits, but if you take that to the next level, it actually is changing. Yourself or growing as a person. And yes, you are what you do repeatedly, i.
[00:04:19] Andy Pocock: e. habits, but it's actually at a deeper level yet.
[00:04:23] Kingsley: I want to discover not just about the habits, because there's a lot of talk about that at the moment for good reason, but how we go deeper to actually make the permanent changes.
[00:04:31] Andy Pocock: Yeah.
[00:04:31] Kingsley: Happy to look at it. You said it's a lot deeper than that to make real.
[00:04:35] Kingsley: change in life. So can you take us down a little bit further? What else is involved in actually making this progressive permanent growth? Thanks Kingsley. The,
[00:04:46] Andy Pocock: the principle that this is based on goes back to, I think it was Stephen Covey, you know, years and years again, years, years ago with seven habits.
[00:04:57] Andy Pocock: And he, one of his habits was start with the end in mind. [00:05:00] And I think it's really important when you want to make progressive change, if you're going to do the hard work, you have to know why. And the why in this concept is based on your soul plan. So the soul plan is really going to the depths of who you are, what you are, what you believe.
[00:05:21] Andy Pocock: And once you have that clear, you can build on that. Because if change or growth is not based on the authenticity of who you are as an individual, then that change or growth has no foundation. And so that's the key. The key concept is to go back to a very deep understanding of who you are. And in order to do that, we help each person develop what we call a soul plan.
[00:05:49] Andy Pocock: So our lives or our culture or our environment or our family creates what Carl Jung back in the day called the persona. [00:06:00] The who you are, who you present to the world, and it is totally influenced by your parents later on the schools you go to, the culture or the environment that you grow up in, and they influence you.
[00:06:15] Andy Pocock: But that is not who you are. The real work is to take that. It's not right or wrong. It just is. And then to go underneath it and say, okay, what part of this is really me? So we're trying to go from persona to true self. That's, that's the work we're trying to do. So the soul plan is far more about the true self than it is about the persona.
[00:06:37] Kingsley: This is fascinating. I love this. I'd love to talk through what the actual true self is. Self is and how we can start to discover who that is and different things we've got to do to get there. Can you take us a little bit further and to discover so for people can find out what their actual persona is?
[00:06:58] Kingsley: Maybe can you [00:07:00] discover that for yourself?
[00:07:00] Andy Pocock: Yes, you can discover it for yourself. Your persona is really what you present to the world. To understand this properly, probably have to understand the the psyche development, the development of the personality, so to speak. So when we're really young and become conscious around about two or, or thereabout, the ego starts doing a very simple, uh, process.
[00:07:26] Andy Pocock: Anything that's acceptable, anything that has a positive response, it incorporates into the persona. So mom smiles at you and you learn very quickly smiling is a good thing. And mom praises you for certain things. things you realize a good thing. So we, we develop this persona that acceptable to those around us.
[00:07:46] Andy Pocock: Now, to understand the process, anything that is not acceptable, we basically put down into the shadow area. So the shadow area is those areas of [00:08:00] personality that don't get a positive response that are not rewarded. So things like anger or an outburst or whatever it is, or lying or cheating, or those get suppressed or pushed down.
[00:08:14] Andy Pocock: And so we have a persona that is, is rewarded, is seen as good, you know, if you're clever, if you're good looking, if you smile nicely, if you have good manners, all the things that are reinforced by your parents or, or your school or your society, they get Elevated into the persona and the more we grow up, the more we polish that and make it really pretty.
[00:08:37] Andy Pocock: So everyone likes us. And this continues to happen throughout your life. You know, unconsciously we, we incorporate things into our persona and we suppress things into our shadow right throughout our lives. This continues to happen.
[00:08:53] Kingsley: It's an interesting fact because Obviously what happens there, no matter what age we are, [00:09:00] that's still having an impact and an influence on our lives and our behaviors.
[00:09:04] Andy Pocock: Absolutely. Yeah, it continues throughout and nowadays with the pressure of social media and everything, it's even intensified further where you see a lot of teenagers really not knowing what they believe anymore because they're hearing so many different messages and you know, with algorithms and everything, it actually reinforces certain personas and it increases certain shadows.
[00:09:30] Kingsley: Now we want to talk about our soul area and the shadows that we create around our life. Can you explain more about what that is and how it fits?
[00:09:38] Andy Pocock: Well Kingsley, if I go back to why, why this concept of PPG has evolved, what most of us do is we try and bring about change or growth on our persona, which I believe is part of our created self.
[00:09:56] Andy Pocock: It's actually not who we are. It's just who we were created to [00:10:00] be by our environment, you know, our parents, our schools, our culture, etc. So we build or try and grow on a, a, on our persona based on our persona. We're guaranteed to be building on foundations. at very best that have very, very limited volume or space or strength.
[00:10:23] Andy Pocock: So we have to go underneath that. We have to go to a soul plan of, of who am I really? Who am I underneath this, this persona that I present to the world and underneath the shadow that I hide from the world? Who am I? And if we can get to that place of the soul plan is the start of that place. So we go from what has been.
[00:10:48] Andy Pocock: unconsciously developed in our lives, and this happens to every person, to a conscious process of saying, well, let me have a real look at who I am. Let me try and articulate this. And [00:11:00] then let me build on that. So the soul plan is actual, and it is also very much who we want to be. So it's, it's a, it's a combination of, of, uh, The present and the future.
[00:11:16] Kingsley: So when you say who we want to be, what do you mean by who we want to be? Yeah,
[00:11:20] Andy Pocock: I'll give you a couple of examples. Part of, of my, if I look on, on certain levels, I am reasonably fit. I would like to be fitter. So I'm a person who is dedicated to living a healthy lifestyle and to live at a reasonable level of fitness.
[00:11:40] Andy Pocock: Now that may not be entirely true right now, but it's aspirational. I want to be fitter or it may be I am a person who You know, give you a personal example. I want to love people more than I do at present. So I, I, I do love people. I care about people. But I actually want that [00:12:00] part of me to be developed and, and grow so that my care and ability to love people grows.
[00:12:07] Andy Pocock: So it's real, but the capacity I'm hoping will be increased over time.
[00:12:13] Kingsley: Do people work on all areas of their life at the same time or do they start in one area and that then has an influence on the
[00:12:22] Andy Pocock: rest? So when we walk people through this concept, we break the person down into, into five, we follow John Waller's circles.
[00:12:33] Andy Pocock: So five components and we work from the outside in. So social, physical, mind, heart, and spiritual. So all, all five are covered, but all five are not weighted equally. So the weighting of what the person is pursuing is up to them, but essentially we need to cover
[00:12:55] Kingsley: all five areas. Andy, uh, we've been having a great conversation about [00:13:00] progressive permanent growth.
[00:13:01] Kingsley: We've talked about our persona, and now we're getting into the soul level and what a real person actually is, I guess. That's probably one way to put it. And how we can actually become the person that we truly want to become. Because I know there's a lot of people who are really wanting to make differences in their life and find out Who am I?
[00:13:21] Kingsley: What do I really want out of life? And it sounds like you've got a process here that can actually take people through that to help them discover that.
[00:13:30] Andy Pocock: Yeah, we have. We've developed a a process and it's not hard and fast, but it certainly is a plan that incorporates all aspects of a person's life. So the first step is Or everything that is external to your skin.
[00:13:49] Andy Pocock: So we call that the social circle. So the social circle incorporates your work, friends and family, your clubs. If you go to church, all [00:14:00] of those aspects. So how do you relate to all those aspects of your life? So, for example, in PPG, one of the basic questions we would ask people is, Are you doing the right work in your life?
[00:14:16] Kingsley: Okay, can you break that down a little bit? Because that sounds really intense. It's
[00:14:19] Andy Pocock: huge. You know, a lot of people will work in a job that is not congruent to who they are. And they hate work. I'm really fortunate. I believe I'm working and doing exactly what I'm called to do. And so my work is totally congruent to who I am.
[00:14:35] Andy Pocock: So it fits within my soul plan. And so we, we literally just break it down and we look at, okay, work. Are you stuck at work? Are you doing what you should be doing? Is work fulfilling for you? And it's not that everyone is lucky enough to be able to do exactly. what they like to be doing. But certainly work shouldn't grind.
[00:14:56] Andy Pocock: And then friendships. Are my friendships uplifting? [00:15:00] Are they edifying? Are the people I'm investing time into, are they the right people? Because sometimes they're not. Family. Do you have adequate boundaries with your family? Are you, are you in harmony with your family? Are your family relations working for you?
[00:15:16] Andy Pocock: Church. Are you at the right church? Is this working for you? If you're going to live an authentic life, you need to be consciously addressing that aspect of your life.
[00:15:26] Kingsley: So you're really becoming self aware in this case in the social aspect. Is that the same with the other four areas as well?
[00:15:35] Andy Pocock: Yes, it is.
[00:15:36] Andy Pocock: Essentially it is and we, we specifically Spend time looking at each circle. And I think even in our discussion, it may be important just to look at a few examples of each circle, just so people listening can get an understanding of what this actually looks like. Because without awareness, I think it was John Maxwell says, without awareness, you have nothing.[00:16:00]
[00:16:00] Andy Pocock: So we have to start with clear awareness of what's happening in each of the five circles. The second one is the body or the physical. And this is such an essential part of us and you know, I Walk around the streets and it seems that people get divided into into two categories quite easily Those that care for themselves and those that don't it seems to be you know yeah, yeah, I go to the local gym and and you get people that are incredibly healthy and fit and then you go down to a Food court and it's like oh my goodness.
[00:16:35] Andy Pocock: The important part of PPG is that we put the physical front and center and ask people to look at themselves. But then the, the body is far more than that. We look at our behaviors is what are my behaviors on my behaviors, congruent to who I want to be, the way I work, the way I exercise, the way I treat people, the way I communicate, et cetera.
[00:16:59] Andy Pocock: [00:17:00] Um, and then a huge part is the SOMA. Um, how healthy am I? And this is an essential part. If we're going to go the distance, we have to. Apply effort to the Soma. We have to be healthy. We have to do the right things. So, you know, this is where we look at alcohol intake, you know, am I drinking too much? Our diet?
[00:17:22] Andy Pocock: Am I, am I eating too much? Am I eating the wrong foods? Do I have a sugar addiction, et cetera? It's, it's just a, the cold, clear facts of my physical body.
[00:17:35] Kingsley: So without being proactive, things tend to Tend downwards, don't they?
[00:17:41] Andy Pocock: We, we have an addiction in the Western world to comfort and that addiction leads us to be soft, generally unhealthy, unfit, lazy, and It's a downward spiral and comfort is not our friend.
[00:17:57] Kingsley: No, it's very true. And I've got a [00:18:00] An example that I use here is at home. Our beds very comfortable It's really comfortable. My wife is constantly buying new comfortable things, new mattress covers, things like that. So I'm up in the morning doing my exercise, come the middle of winter, she'll buy this amazing thing.
[00:18:19] Kingsley: So it's so comfortable and warm in there and that's it. It's comfortable and it makes it really, really hard to fight myself to get out of bed sometimes because of that. And so if I don't win that fight. I'm actually putting myself in a negative position.
[00:18:35] Andy Pocock: Exactly.
[00:18:36] Kingsley: Yeah, 100%. What you were giving us, not just ideas of how we work, but practical tips on how to make a difference, which we're going to go into a lot more of those.
[00:18:46] Kingsley: We've talked about the different areas of the soul realm. Can you list those five areas off for us, please?
[00:18:51] Andy Pocock: Yeah, sure. So we start on the outside, the social. The next one in is the body, then the mind, then the heart, and then [00:19:00] the spiritual component.
[00:19:02] Kingsley: Awesome. If you can take us through there, because I really want to make sure that people are grasping how to make a difference in every aspect of their life.
[00:19:10] Andy Pocock: Yeah, sure. So the, the mind is the next circle. The mind is that the real dominant thing we need to look at is our mood. So our mood is an essential indicator. on how we're living our lives. Now, it's true that, you know, we can have depression, etc, that is biological, and it's, it's got nothing to do with our circumstances.
[00:19:36] Andy Pocock: So I want to put that aside, because that that does exist. And I'm not talking about people that are biologically depressed, who have a chemical imbalance and whatever, I'm not that that I'm putting aside. But our mood is an indicator to us on If we are living and doing the right things, generally, and [00:20:00] I'll take it away from other people.
[00:20:02] Andy Pocock: If my work is incongruent, my mood is down. Generally, if my relationships are poor, my mood is down. If I am not exercising, my My mood is down. If my spiritual practice is out of whack, my mood is down. So when we look at the mind and specifically look at the mood, it's a great wake up call. And we've got to pursue and say, we've got to ask the why question.
[00:20:31] Andy Pocock: Why is my mood down? What can I do about this? Because What we tend to do is we just get down and we have a low mood and then we just wallow in that instead of asking the question why. And again PPG is very much saying how is your mood? Where you at with your mood and then the next question is why and following on from that in the in the mind circle is Our volition how how much [00:21:00] petrol have we got in the tank because if our if our tank is empty It's telling us something about our lives We, we are not created to, to walk around and to live with the red light on in our volition tank.
[00:21:15] Andy Pocock: We, we need to be putting in enough so that we have volition for life. We have volition for our relationships. We have volition for our work. We have volition spiritually. And if we don't, it's an indicator, okay, we need to focus here. Something needs to happen here.
[00:21:33] Kingsley: So if we are, say, we're working really, really hard.
[00:21:37] Kingsley: We're working too much and we're getting worn out, whether that's from stress or from working too much or accommodation or whatever it is, then that's going to have an effect on the other aspects as well, isn't it? 100%. So just because we might be spiritually good or physically good, so we think because we're exercising and things.
[00:21:57] Kingsley: Our work and [00:22:00] that sort of stress is going to completely adjust how these other areas operate. Is that right? A
[00:22:04] Andy Pocock: hundred percent. We're, we're a whole. And if one thing gets broken, it affects everything. So we're a whole. And so when we look at this mind circle, it's really looking at, all aspects of the mind.
[00:22:18] Andy Pocock: We have to look at our perception thought loop, you know, the, the way we think cyclically and we, we perceive things and then we think, and it goes round and round and round. Sometimes our self talk can be incredibly positive and sometimes it can really be negative. And that is affects every other aspect of our lives.
[00:22:40] Andy Pocock: And part of this PPG course is to be able to look at and say, what am I feeding my mind continuously? Cause if you keep feeding it the wrong stuff, that's what you're going to end up thinking.
[00:22:52] Kingsley: I want to talk on the other two aspects of the soul. And this is fascinating on how we can actually. understand [00:23:00] ourselves and make a difference to become that whole person that we truly want to be.
[00:23:05] Kingsley: What actually is the heart?
[00:23:08] Andy Pocock: Yeah, it's a great question. The heart is the core of who you are. This is the part of you that influences your life the most. So in the heart, if you kind of put your hand on your chest and you speak from that place, that's the heart. That's the feeling of the heart. So for, for, for me, for my understanding, love lives here.
[00:23:36] Andy Pocock: It lives in my heart. So your deep attachments, the most important things in your life, your most important relationships, your values, these are all aspects of the heart. This is where true change, Permanent change has to happen if your life is going to be different.
[00:23:57] Kingsley: Is this something we can actually improve or [00:24:00] what are we doing with the heart here?
[00:24:02] Andy Pocock: Can we develop it? Yes. The first step is to clarify it. The PPG course will say to you, who do you love? Who do you really love in your life? And then the next question would be, Are you showing them that love? Is your life representing the love you have for them? For some people it could be their work. Is your life representing that?
[00:24:28] Andy Pocock: When we talk about heart, that's what we're talking about, or values, you know, one of my values is integrity. Now as a young man, I would have said to you, I am a man of integrity. As an older man, I say, I aspire to be a man of integrity because I've been through a lot. I've butted my head a few times, I've fallen down a few times, I've missed the mark a few times.
[00:24:48] Andy Pocock: And so for me it's yes, it's a value of mine, it's current and it's aspirational. Your reason for living, your lifetime contribution, actually [00:25:00] flows from the heart if it's going to be congruent to who you are.
[00:25:04] Kingsley: We've been talking about progressive permanent growth and this whole soul area, talking about who we really are as a person.
[00:25:13] Kingsley: And now we're going to touch on the spiritual aspect. What really is the spiritual aspect of us as humans? That's a
[00:25:21] Andy Pocock: huge, huge, huge question. So to answer that. You need to understand my position. When I do PPG and when I take people through this, I, my position is that as a psychotherapist. So I'm holding space, I'm holding space for all people.
[00:25:42] Andy Pocock: So I am non directive in that I don't allow my personal affiliation to dominate the space. I, I don't believe I have a right to do that. My role is to highlight the [00:26:00] necessary journey of the spiritual component of a person's life. So Carl Jung probably 60 years ago said most of our problems arrive or present psychologically, but healing is very often spiritual.
[00:26:15] Andy Pocock: That's hard to understand as a psychotherapist. But as a person, makes total sense to me. So, the, the spiritual component, or my role in helping people in this, is to ask people very specifically, What do you believe? What, what do you, these existential questions you have, have you addressed them? Have you thought about it?
[00:26:39] Andy Pocock: And, push them in directions to go and find their truth. So, whereas a pastor of a Christian church would specifically articulate what that looks like, I don't have the right to do that in, in, in this PPGV concept, but I very much push people to become [00:27:00] seekers and to work that out. But what we do do, and very specifically do, is try and encourage everyone to have a spiritual practice.
[00:27:12] Andy Pocock: Now, what they do in their spiritual practice is up to them, but actually setting up Time aside, every day to address this, to, to turn up, to hold space for this aspect of their life, I believe is absolutely essential.
[00:27:30] Kingsley: Now, when people, when you say to seek it out for yourself, when you're taking people through this, how do they?
[00:27:39] Kingsley: sort of seek that? What do they find for themselves?
[00:27:41] Andy Pocock: Well, it's interesting because for each person it will be different. So very simply, you know, if a person comes with a, a Christian, uh, I would push them in that area. Uh, we have some people that just come in and they have a sort of universal And I will just encourage them [00:28:00] to, to pursue what that truth could look like for them.
[00:28:03] Andy Pocock: I don't discredit anything. It's not my role, specifically as a psychotherapist, I don't have the right to, to evangelize in any way or to try and push people towards my beliefs.
[00:28:18] Kingsley: Now that it's quite fascinating to me because it is, like you said, it is a big question and how we fit that in. When we're. In the world, doing our work, working with people, it's obviously different.
[00:28:30] Kingsley: As you said, when we're in a, if we might be in a church or something like that, then it's a, it's a different story altogether, but I believe as well that. Looking through the Bible, that's what it tells us to do, is to help people understand things rather than telling them so much something.
[00:28:49] Andy Pocock: I'm a great believer if you seek the truth, you'll find it.
[00:28:52] Andy Pocock: Yeah. I genuinely believe that. I've seen that many, many times. And so I'm happy to, [00:29:00] to do my part. Uh, my part is to give a push, to encourage. Um, I'm not the answer. They'll find the
[00:29:09] Kingsley: answer. Yeah. I 100 percent agree because people have to find it for themselves. That's the only way they're going to have a true, real relationship and understand what, what true Christianity really is.
[00:29:22] Kingsley: Without that, it's just something we add on to the rest of our life.
[00:29:27] Andy Pocock: I believe that part of this journey, we talked early on about the persona. A lot of us have a spiritual persona, and the spiritual persona is basically what we've been told to believe. What our parents believe, or what our culture believes, or what our school believes.
[00:29:46] Andy Pocock: To come down And to be able to articulate your soul plan, you have to be able to put that aside and say, Okay, so yes, all of this is what I've been taught. But now what do I believe? [00:30:00] And it's not saying what you've been taught is wrong, but it's being able to look at and say, Do I agree with this? And is there more?
[00:30:09] Andy Pocock: Or is there a variation of this? Or do I not believe it at all? Because when we actually take the time and effort to dissect what we've been taught, then what we believe is actually really true to us. So instead of being mum and dad's truth, it's now my truth. Or instead of being the school's truth, it's my truth.
[00:30:29] Andy Pocock: And that second truth is far more valuable than the first one.
[00:30:35] Kingsley: And it's really interesting you say that, because you watch people go through their personal journey in life, And question things and wonder what's, what's real and what's not. And I think until we've actually been to that point where we do question it.
[00:30:49] Kingsley: So if there are people listening to this and they're questioning, that's a fantastic place to be because you'll find the reality. Like, like you said before, Andy, if you seek the [00:31:00] truth, you will find it and you find it for yourself. And that's when it becomes real.
[00:31:04] Andy Pocock: Absolutely. And I don't have all the answers.
[00:31:06] Andy Pocock: Before I thought I had more answers. As I'm getting older, I clearly have less answers spiritually.
[00:31:12] Kingsley: Now, that's fantastic, Andy. Thank you for being honest. And it's, it's good because I think a lot of people in this, that place where they need the honest about what's going on and what's happening within life.
[00:31:22] Kingsley: I'm going to see if we can sum this up with what people can do with their own personal life to improve their life and their whole soul and who they really are. So Andy, can you just sum up what we were talking about, about this soul plan and all those five different areas of life.
[00:31:40] Andy Pocock: Yes. So the soul plan that we have in the PPG course basically has seven paragraphs.
[00:31:49] Andy Pocock: So the first paragraph is introduction of, of, of who you are. Then the first paragraph. The first paragraph, sorry, second paragraph addresses the social aspects [00:32:00] of your life. The next paragraph is the physical. The next one is the mind, then the heart, then the spiritual, and then a conclusion. So the, the soul plan is basically a document that if a close relative or your spouse or someone who knows you really well read it, they would say, this is you, who you are now and who you want to be.
[00:32:25] Andy Pocock: That's the sole plan
[00:32:26] Kingsley: that it's it's quite daunting, really, when we look at it, because I think a lot of people have a thoughts, maybe of where who they want to be to nail it down into these different areas and make it specific. It really hits home as to where we are and where we wanting to go. Do you have some practical tips on how we can actually.
[00:32:52] Kingsley: Put things into place to help those areas move forward. And I know that's a massive, massive question, but [00:33:00] just something practical that people can take away and do something with.
[00:33:04] Andy Pocock: Thanks Kingsley. Yes. Yes or no. So when we do the PPG Sol plan. in groups. It takes a full day for a person to develop this soul plan.
[00:33:16] Andy Pocock: We start at 9, we finish at about 4. 30, and by at 4. 30 they would have written out their two page soul plan. So it's a, it's a, it's a very involved process. It's, it's an enjoyable process. We, what we do is we, we work at it in three levels. We introduce each of the circles as we've discussed, and then we get each person to work with a partner.
[00:33:40] Andy Pocock: Uh, and they discuss that aspect of their life. And then they go and they write that paragraph or, or, or that, write about that component of their life. And then in the end we put it all together. So, yes you could do it on your own, but it's a lot more fun, a lot more enjoyable to get together with some other [00:34:00] people on the same journey.
[00:34:01] Andy Pocock: Because we also really spark each other. You know, very often when we're doing this and discussing it, someone will articulate something and you think, Man, yes, that's me. And when you hear it in someone, someone else saying it, you know, it really lands for you. And then we can incorporate that into our own.
[00:34:19] Andy Pocock: So it's a dynamic process. The first soul plan I did was probably 15 years ago. And I looked at my original one and I looked at one now. And you could see it's the same person. It's evolved, it's developed. But if you put them out there, you would say, yeah, that's the same person. Just 15 years later.
[00:34:39] Kingsley: So you've seen an evolution into who you wanted to become over that period of time.
[00:34:44] Kingsley: Yes. And
[00:34:44] Andy Pocock: certain aspects have morphed and changed. Uh, certain emphasis, uh, emphases, if that's the right word, have, have, have changed, um, but essentially the person is the same.
[00:34:57] Kingsley: Yeah. Yeah. And that's because we [00:35:00] are that that's who we are. We are who we are. Exactly. I guess at the core of us, that's at the end of the day, that's how we were created.
[00:35:05] Kingsley: We just are. And obviously there's been a lot of influence through other things as you talked about our persona, but you're delving right into The soul of who somebody really is. And, and like you said earlier, it's, it's becoming self aware of who am I really? Cause I think a lot of people don't even take the time to think about who really am I and what aspects of life that we've been talking about, do I want to improve or need to improve?
[00:35:33] Kingsley: Obviously it's all aspects of life, but having a look at where they are and what do we start to work on and which obviously shines a light on other areas, uh, on how I need to get better there. I remember when years and years ago, when I first got into doing the gym, uh, all of a sudden I wanted to make other areas of life better.
[00:35:53] Kingsley: I wanted to be better at different, different things as well. And I think that's part of the, part of the process for [00:36:00] something for people to take away is just start working on things, be aware. And start working on things. 100%. Andy, thank you so much for being with us on the Better Tomorrow Show. I really appreciate that and all of the input has been fantastic and we'll catch you back here next week.
[00:36:16] Kingsley: Have a fantastic day.
[00:36:18] Andy Pocock: Thank you.