Hospitals Make $1.5M Off a Cancer Diagnosis — Here’s What No One Tells You

Show Notes

Did you know hospitals can make $1.5 million within 6 months of a new cancer diagnosis?

We went from insurance-backed doctors raising red flags…

To a so-called “woo woo” non-insurance doctor who actually provided more data, more tests, and more clarity.

Detailed bloodwork, expanded panels, and stacks of actual information.

Then we brought it back to the insurance doctor—who refused to even look at it.

 “That’s not how we’re trained.” 

This isn’t just about healthcare—it’s about the system that controls it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got to call it from the doctor.

[SPEAKER_03]: You have cervical adenocarcinoma and the best route to take is hysterectomy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was thirty-one.

[SPEAKER_03]: The hysterectomy at thirty-one years old, it would be like painting over a water leak without finding why there is a leak.

[SPEAKER_03]: People around me like, you're not listening to your doctor?

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just listening to a different doctor.

[SPEAKER_03]: I had a friend reach out recently saying thank you for being loud about this because she did some of the health testing that we are about to talk about soon and she said that they found some pretty big even code blue which is beyond code red stuff that she's like that might have really saved some stuff in my family so thank you for being loud about this and it's something that I'm really happy to be loud about and it is everything that we learned after my cancer diagnosis.

[SPEAKER_00]: which we should really start out from just say, we are not medical professionals.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just not getting a clinical advice at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are simply telling the story that we have gone through and are extremely passionate about the answers that we found.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how many times we've actually repeated what we're about to go through because it seems like a ton.

[SPEAKER_00]: So half of the reason I feel like we should do is because

[SPEAKER_00]: And we get DMs.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say half the DMs I get right now are about this.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there've also been some really crazy, coincidental, spiritual, God-wink things that are also pushing us in this direction to keep talking about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we got to call last week with a very exciting opportunity that seems very aligned with some messages you've received in prayer.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I guess we'll start with, uh, it was December, twenty twenty one.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, we got a phone call that no one expects to get saying, hey, this test came back.

[SPEAKER_01]: I remember where we were.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we were.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: In the, in your office.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the tiny house in the tiny house.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's all our last house.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so tiny.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love that tiny house.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we have a house, but it's still a little tiny.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's interesting.

[SPEAKER_03]: All of our calls that morning just happened to cancel.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so we were open and we were available and we had, we actually had to point with our, our realtor and we found our house like two hours later, which I don't know, just felt special that some really big things happened on the same day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, got a call from the doctor.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, same day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, same day for emotional day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, got a call from the doctor.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually, you might have to film some blanks because

[SPEAKER_03]: I think, understandably, I like fog.

[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of went white.

[SPEAKER_03]: Immediate fog.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the doctor, I thought it was just like a follow up checkup, because that first it seemed just friendly.

[SPEAKER_03]: But she's like, hey, you know, your test results came back and we weren't expecting this, but you have the cervical adenocarcinoma and the best route to take is hysterectomy.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so we'd like to come in as soon as possible for that.

[SPEAKER_03]: At that point, I'd already put it on speaker phone and kind of just, I think, lays over and was just

[SPEAKER_00]: hoping you were listening because I we were sitting side by side yeah and she started explaining and then you said it back several times it's like oh yeah you have cancer it's like oh and it's crazy because you don't you know not to be sensitive it was a you know

[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like most people would get cancer, at least growing up.

[SPEAKER_00]: You were like, you know, sixties or so.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was thirty one.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember when we were driving to the real estate appointments after that, because we were looking for our new house.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we still kept the appointment.

[SPEAKER_03]: I remember just kind of being like, I think I should be crying right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really know what that means.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm thirty one.

[SPEAKER_03]: They want me to have a historic to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually, it did not land for me the part about cancer yet.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking about a historic to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that I'm thirty one and this isn't supposed to be happening.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we, it didn't click for me until the next fall of appointment that we went right after Christmas because this was two days of our Christmas.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was December, twenty-third.

[SPEAKER_00]: My gosh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two days for Christmas, you definitely went into, I remember that we were at the real estate stuff and you were in shock, understandably.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we went to the fall of appointment.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that, because it was like the next week, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: It was the next, because we went to Phoenix as your parents, then we came back and it was a few days after Christmas.

[SPEAKER_03]: And this is when it clicked for me is when the nurse, you know, the triage nurse, she like takes your vitals and stuff before the doctor comes in.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think her bedside manner was that great, because she was like, oh, you must have had such a hard Christmas.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm so sorry.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, why?

[SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean?

[SPEAKER_03]: Why was my Christmas supposed to be hard?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I knew though, I mean, at Christmas reasonably, when we told your parents this news, and I was just still like, I hadn't clicked what it really meant.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I was blocking out.

[SPEAKER_03]: I knew I was sad.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I hadn't, I didn't want to start thinking about what does that actually mean.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I just kind of shut it down.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then it was in that appointment where I was like, oh, this is like really serious.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I should, I should really take this.

[SPEAKER_03]: I need to think about this deeper.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that initial seven days, you know, before the appointment, researching and it's really easy to get stuck down that research loop, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's, um, I feel like nothing gets ranked on Google that is an extreme.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's either you're totally fine or you're going to die in a second, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yo yo, you know, total rollercoaster emotionally.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so once it finally clicked, and we went to the doctor, and she was like, okay, you need, you need to have his direct to me, and we need to, this isn't as possible.

[SPEAKER_03]: We put a date on the calendar.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I remember, I'm for the surgery.

[SPEAKER_03]: For the surgery.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm someone that is like, I take action quickly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go, let's get it done so we can move on and next things.

[SPEAKER_03]: But there's also this side of me that is, I question authority before making conclusions.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I remember even asking you at one point, like, am I waving the white flag by doing this?

[SPEAKER_03]: Am I not fighting the right fight by just having the surgery?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like they told me to.

[SPEAKER_03]: And at the time, it was just, you know, both of us were like, let's, let's, let's feel it out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see what we do.

[SPEAKER_03]: We support either way.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was no, I was so grateful that there wasn't any pressure of like,

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you have to do this and do it right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: You were very supportive and like let's just look at all the paths and we we got on phone calls with friends.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, one of our friends is Chris Warq who wrote the book Chris beat cancer and he was so kind to get on a call with us the next week and what he told me that is what I also repeat to other people when people come to me asking for advice is you have time.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was probably the biggest hope inducing message.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because before that, when we left that doctor appointment, that first doctor appointment, I mean, it was like,

[SPEAKER_00]: I remember them asking like clear schedule like you have time next week even like you had to do this right now is pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure is like no options.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't it was super doom and gloom and you know we're both.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hope you're not trying to have babies because you won't be able to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like the first question.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was going to try to babies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's like you're not going to be able to do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have time next week.

[SPEAKER_00]: We had to get this out now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was very rush rush.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't think just move.

[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like a used car salesman mixed with a door door sales guide is enough to do them.

[SPEAKER_00]: pressurized, you know, it felt gross sticky nasty gross energy and then we talked to Chris work, Chris B. Cancer, Chris work.

[SPEAKER_00]: I remember we hung up and I just remember you and I looked at each other and it was like, exhale.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to sprint to an operation table.

[SPEAKER_03]: And what he also told me, because there's part of me that was validating what the doctor was saying, well, my doctor said that I am one and a hundred thousand people, they got this kind of diagnosis and that it's the prognosis and it's rare and we have to do it and he was just like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not that you're this special rare diagnosis.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you have to have a very different healing path.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like read my book, look at all these case studies, the healing path no matter the location, the severity, the stage, whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: The healing path is the same.

[SPEAKER_03]: And another doctor had said this to me separately.

[SPEAKER_03]: He said, this is a natural path doctor.

[SPEAKER_03]: A friend of ours said, how does a hurricane form under the perfect conditions?

[SPEAKER_03]: How does a hurricane disappear under the perfect conditions?

[SPEAKER_03]: Same thing with health cancer.

[SPEAKER_03]: How does the body create an environment for cancer?

[SPEAKER_03]: The same way it can create an environment for healing.

[SPEAKER_03]: just everything that I'd known in my life up to this point, this was a whole new language to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, when you're sick, you go to the doctor, you got a prescription, you have a surgery, you do chemo radiation.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it felt like I was being told to be a victim.

[SPEAKER_03]: But they're also that entrepreneurial take my own path kind of way.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was also, you know, going off like maybe look into some other options.

[SPEAKER_03]: You've never followed the

[SPEAKER_03]: The common path for everything, there's another path here to look at.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, from that point, it was just because, so, because the pressure was immense, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: We basically were counting down to a surgery, but then talking to Chris work, and then talking to these other doctors that were not insurance backed, and that, for me, is what really, that's what was the initial crack in the foundation of just like, not to bash all of us, their medicine, and I don't think doctors are doing a terrible job.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're just, they're doing what they're trained on, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: But that was like the first crack was like, oh, there are like other ways to go do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: You tell me that there's only like a hundred years ago, whenever someone got sick, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: None of them got better because there wasn't an orange bottle with a white cap on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, is that going to how do the body do this two hundred years ago?

[SPEAKER_03]: It was when I also shared it publicly.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was when I started to get even more answers and the just the crack in the foundation turned into the Grand Canyon.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am so glad that I didn't rush into the surgery and the kind of funny thing is because of business we launched.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we moved.

[SPEAKER_03]: We had the cancer diagnosis and we started a brand new business in the same almost week.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was very close together.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was hardcore.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was intense and that was a really like what I think about tough times in our relationship.

[SPEAKER_03]: That was a tough time in our relationship.

[SPEAKER_03]: Although I also feel like I was in a fog for most of us.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember very much of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for holding this base for all that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, tell.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't play me either.

[SPEAKER_00]: And just to go to the story, also again, like, okay, so we go to the insurance back doctor.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're basically throwing every red flag and alarm possible.

[SPEAKER_00]: and then we go over to the non insurance back doctor and take way more tests.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, far more.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was gonna be, you know, when you say like, oh, we went to like a homeopathic doctor, like, oh, you know, like, you know, I mean, like, people just go straight, we actually got more data, literal data, more blood stuff, more tests, more sample, all the stuff, huge stacks of data.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're like, oh, this actually is telling a far more complete story.

[SPEAKER_00]: and now there's options because we have clarity.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we went back to the insurance back doctor and they yelled at us.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they didn't want to look at that.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, I don't know what this is.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can't read this.

[SPEAKER_03]: Isn't because that's not how they were trained.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: They put these medical names of the cancer markers in blood.

[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know what they were.

[SPEAKER_00]: You had to teach them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said I was blown away, blown away.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's the way we learned that a hospital gets one point five million dollars in the first six months of a brand new cancer diagnosis.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like holy crap.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're doing this with your body.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's what I realized though, that it's more of a, this was, this was a, uh, you were, you were literally a check.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's so sad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, holy smokes, like, this isn't, I,

[SPEAKER_00]: Are we looking at the health of the person or are we just like writing something?

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just cracked everything for me, especially when we got yelled at.

[SPEAKER_00]: She got intense.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen a doctor act like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she was, I mean, she can't, she yelled at us for even going down a natural route.

[SPEAKER_03]: Can you keep her in another hotel?

[SPEAKER_00]: She goes, I really wouldn't do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: She, remember, she sat face to face with you and I was off to the side.

[SPEAKER_00]: She got close to your face.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember this?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's every appointment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was sitting right there right from face and she's kept going.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we need to get this out.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a ticking time bomb.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to get this out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's always other ways to go do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's time to get this out.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want the skipping around.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she just like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, pounded down.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember walking out and we're holding a stack.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, actual data.

[SPEAKER_00]: That we did not get from her and she was angry at about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like oh and what is so apparent to me now that I did not know the time is if you just

[SPEAKER_03]: poor poison on it and whether it's like an antibiotic that you're not even really sure if it is necessary because what what data like sometimes people just like oh yeah here's a pill because you have some kind of symptom but have you actually tested for it but also you know taking out body parts or sometimes the chemo in radiation again not a doctor not telling you guys what to do but what we learn from this is in my situation if we would have just had the surgery taken out my uterus ovaries cervix

[SPEAKER_03]: with his direct to me at thirty one years old, it would be like painting over a water leak without finding why there is a leak.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember when you said we're removing my uterus because that's a source of a lot of hormones or females?

[SPEAKER_00]: How is that going to affect all my hormones the rest of my body?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

[SPEAKER_03]: You just want to have a period.

[SPEAKER_03]: Lucky you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're the doctor, but I don't believe it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna, I'm gonna post her right now because there's some serious red flags.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I remove the engine for my car, well, that affects it all.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's not gonna affect it at all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and there's so much more than just the hormones and just having a period.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's skeletal, it's structural, it's hormonal.

[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, freedom is having a choice.

[SPEAKER_03]: We are not planning on having babies, but

[SPEAKER_03]: And having that option ripped away for me made me emotional because it's like, I want to be the one to choose.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am not going to be a victim here.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that whole concept of if you're not testing your guessing and if you just take out body parts or put some medication on it, some chemicals or pharmaceuticals that you're just painting over a water leak and not actually finding the source.

[SPEAKER_03]: No wonder, I mean, we unfortunately have friends that have also gone through health challenges, crises, cancer as well.

[SPEAKER_03]: And when they are in remission, they're living in fear that it's going to come back.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't actually, that was the other crazy part of feel like the kind of the more natural route of healing talked about is like,

[SPEAKER_00]: Almost every one of us has cancer already.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's in our blood.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't attach to anything for a long time till you have it for a super long time.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's more about fixing the environment.

[SPEAKER_00]: You trip out some part of the body or trim out some piece or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, that's like,

[SPEAKER_00]: giving you some ad vill just because you broke your arm.

[SPEAKER_00]: You stopped to fix the arm, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not actually fixing anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like the next phase that you and I went through was really fun because it, it just opens so much.

[SPEAKER_03]: Incredibly eye-opening.

[SPEAKER_03]: So after I posted publicly about it because I was in a place where I needed help.

[SPEAKER_03]: I needed to reach out to people and say, what, what resources and also attention can you give me?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I remember I actually stopped creating content like my business.

[SPEAKER_03]: outreach and publicity and that kind of stuff kind of came to a standstill because I was like, I can't authentically create content right now because I don't know where I am right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: But some of the content that I did share at the beginning was like, I just got this diagnosis.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where the ground is.

[SPEAKER_03]: I need help.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there was this weird part that felt I felt guilt for receiving attention about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because it wasn't the attention I wanted to receive.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, when when online we're trying to

[SPEAKER_03]: We're trying to be inspiring, or we're trying to be positive.

[SPEAKER_03]: And here I'm like, I need help.

[SPEAKER_03]: It felt hard to receive.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I also had this comparative suffering.

[SPEAKER_03]: I remember I, there was an incredible group of women who also were cancer survivors or in the middle of cancer that they like banded around me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they were like, we got you.

[SPEAKER_03]: We've been exactly where you are.

[SPEAKER_03]: here to help you to talk you through it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I almost wanted to say, like, oh, no, no, no, your cancer is worse than mine.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to take anything from you.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's when they, like, introduce me that word.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is not, there's no comparative suffering here.

[SPEAKER_03]: You are important.

[SPEAKER_03]: You are going through something and you need attention.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's okay to admit that and we're here for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like, because I remember, I remember we would talk into the night.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just about this one topic, you know, like,

[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember watching you go through that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to know what to say or do, because the comparative suffering is a perfect word for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some of the people who even been messaging us.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, I got this diagnosis.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm super scared now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what I do.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's easy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think maybe it's a human trait.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's just a lot among a lot entrepreneurs and business people because we're all like kind of proud on how much we can go with like, not feeling good.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, which is terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like, what was it that broke you out of the comparative suffering piece?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what would you say to those people?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it seems like people are like, I'm suffering.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but it's not as bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let me throw it under the rug.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't ever get any help.

[SPEAKER_03]: that they called me out on it because I did try to brush it off and then there was one girl that even asked like hey I am only asking because I've been in this position where I had people that were reaching out to help and I did push it away and I just want to encourage you not to because it is also a gift to support you in this because I've been here myself and even though like you're kind of a stranger

[SPEAKER_03]: It means a lot to me to also be able to support someone the way that I wish that I was supported.

[SPEAKER_03]: And when she also said that thing of like, it's okay that you need attention right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that a lot of us, this main business, we want attention for other things.

[SPEAKER_03]: But when it's attention on something that's like, I feel broken right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want attention on my broken parts.

[SPEAKER_00]: You feel like you had, you feel like you had done something wrong.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: What did I do wrong?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whatever to deserve this deserve cancer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I'm healthy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm only thirty one.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think I eat right and exercise and like how could this happen to me?

[SPEAKER_03]: This happens to other people.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did I feel like you've been called out almost?

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what you did.

[SPEAKER_03]: And admitting that something was wrong with me and

[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of similarly, you know, we talked about like when we went through our divorces and people were like, I'm so sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like pity.

[SPEAKER_00]: They all grovely.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want pity, but I do want encouragement.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I would love resources and help.

[SPEAKER_03]: And what was so amazing is when that empowerment came because that I and I did start to say like, Hey, I'm going to share this with you.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to share my journey.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't want pity in response.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is something that just like everything in my life is going to be a story of perseverance.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there will be times where I'll be emotional.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not going to suppress that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am going to be honest about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I also like underlying want this to be a story of perseverance because that's just who I am.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember talking to Dave Woodward, who was also going through cancer, much different brain cancer.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he was telling us when at the hospitals at like chemotherapy and things like that, there were people that would be in that room that would just, they didn't seem like or act like they were gonna get out of there.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, I go in there with that determination of I am going to get out of here.

[SPEAKER_03]: And this is not, this is not a death sentence.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to, this is going to be a story that I can share and help other people.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so hearing that inspiration, I was like me too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about like different detox things and we changed a lot of stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: And how we found Kelly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but like I think it's important you just set on that point though because there's so much evidence that you know what you think about is what becomes reality you know and all the way down to your health you know and it's funny because you know I'm recently learning how much perfection I am so for me I would be a little bit

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, I had a bad attitude one day.

[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, it's all out.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but I think there needs to be room for the sea saw.

[SPEAKER_00]: This little roller coaster happens.

[SPEAKER_00]: What was it that helped you?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Keep positive attitude about it as much as possible because it's not like

[SPEAKER_00]: Not like you always did, which is totally understandable, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I remember days when we had to make the choice.

[SPEAKER_03]: The window being like, I don't know what to do today.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you had to make a choice.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't just the decision to have of that attitude about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: The natural state is the blast state, which is not no judgment, but like, what did you do?

[SPEAKER_03]: The thing that I think made me switch into

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, out of victim mode, this happened to me, and why is this happening to me into, okay, this is, these are my circumstances, and I'm going to be empowered in it was making a choice.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because when I was wishy-washy about, am I gonna have a surgery?

[SPEAKER_03]: Am I not?

[SPEAKER_03]: Why does this happen?

[SPEAKER_03]: What do I do?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's where I was all over the place, but it was when I shared it publicly and had an outpouring of love and support and amazing resources.

[SPEAKER_03]: And because there were so many a lot of it went over my head, like there's probably so messages that I still didn't get to and I'm so grateful.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like it really, it really showed me how I want to be there for someone even strangers.

[SPEAKER_03]: when they're going through something, because there are people that I never even met that just sent me so much love.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there were many that did come through.

[SPEAKER_03]: They were like, hey, read this book.

[SPEAKER_03]: Here's this thing to look into.

[SPEAKER_03]: Here's this person's story that might be inspiring for you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Here's a song that might inspire you on a good day or here's a song to go right to if you need it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But some of the people that really came through, one specifically we should talk about, is Dr. Kelly, who I will absolutely leave her links around this and I have sent

[SPEAKER_03]: So, like, probably hundreds of people to her, our family, our friends, we are going to, like, I can't imagine not working with her ever, like, for the rest of our lives, because now what we do with her, so she, she's a functional medicine doctor.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, put her links in the, with the rare things that come.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_03]: and what she'll work with her.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you weren't with her virtually.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's in Colorado.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're in Boise.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've never had an in-person appointment with her.

[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes that stops people.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, oh, I don't live there.

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is Zoom or virtual.

[SPEAKER_03]: Zoom virtual.

[SPEAKER_03]: She'll send you for labs where you are locally.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've never felt also so...

[SPEAKER_03]: So supported like intimately from my health care provider.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you go to a doctor and then they take so long to call you back, which is also a great reason why we didn't have the history of why I didn't have the history because they took a long time to schedule things and when I had to reschedule and things, then here was Kelly who was

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she, I could text her every single day.

[SPEAKER_03]: I could get on calls with her when I needed to.

[SPEAKER_03]: She would research things for me if I asked her question.

[SPEAKER_03]: She put together customized protocols for me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And when she came to me, she like, she really met me where I was at because at this time, I was in the fear of like, I have to have a historic to me and mine is rare and they told me this and I'm a victim and I just have to get it over with so that I can move on and like, rid it from my life.

[SPEAKER_03]: And she was like,

[SPEAKER_03]: How about just before we take out any body parts?

[SPEAKER_03]: We just do some tests.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if you still want to have this to actually me, I'll support you in that.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I'll also give you options for some other ways.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she totally, she supported me with, with them.

[SPEAKER_03]: What am I trying to say?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she was, she's very gentle.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I really needed that.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's got amazing bedside manners.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I also think it's going to be a great deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, it's interesting to note that like,

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, no one wants to be a victim of being victim mentality.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're giving up your power.

[SPEAKER_00]: But how interesting is it the role of education in that, you know, because once we knew there was other paths, then suddenly it was, it's easier to not be victim.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not that you're always choosing victim.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're just in it because you're kind of at the beginning of the journey.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was so clear to cut it off.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the word decide does it here is like to cut off.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So when we made the decision, it was, I don't have to be a victim anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't have to listen to what this doctor is telling you to do.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I also don't necessarily have to go for their very painful tests, which coming cutting out.

[SPEAKER_03]: in that area of your body is like, I was, you thank God, you were with me for a lot of those appointments.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just the biopsy stuff was insane.

[SPEAKER_03]: And now, and to work with Kelly, which I get testing done with her every ninety days, some, and even I can just ask, like, hey, you know what, I just had this kind of a week, I'd like to test my cancer marker, she'll just send me for a quick little blood test here and there.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I have the data, we have booklets, full of numbers, and with these numbers, they're also showing us, isn't just where the Q-tip touched or whatever little piece of

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were able to buy, obviously.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is full body work up.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like things that I wasn't even looking at because if this is cervical, why would be looking at my brain?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, what came up in my testing was lots of heavy metals built up in my body.

[SPEAKER_00]: Me too, my gosh.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, but I think what's shocking for us and for other people is like everyone has this.

[SPEAKER_03]: If anyone listening got these tests done, you'd be shocked to see, oh my gosh, why do I have so much mercury and arsenic?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's in our water, this is like infuriating to me that arsenic and chloroform and blood.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I feel like

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really grateful we're doing this episode just as like, so that's what the story was, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And then with fast forward six months later, we changed all this stuff, which I feel like we should go through as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we went back.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the cancer markers plummeted.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we got yelled at again.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, she got so mad that we went down this natural route.

[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't believe it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, check it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, oh, you still need to take her face off.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's still, like, better get the history.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you just don't want to get it bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, we know it's right here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and so to also explain more of what's happening in these testing is like, you see what's happening in the body.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we talk about not painting over the water leak.

[SPEAKER_03]: Why did the body create an environment for cancer?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe because there's so many heavy metals that the immune system is trying to fight the metals instead of

[SPEAKER_03]: the cancerous cells that are happening.

[SPEAKER_03]: And also the fact that I was on birth control for sixteen years.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that was another thing that, you know, my doctor who originally prescribed me in around sixteen years old was, oh, you can just skip the bleed.

[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to have that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, keep hearing every month.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, just head just to be on birth for twenty.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you could take it back to back and you don't even need to take any breaks.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's totally fine.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole day, episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that is a whole other episode, and I will get on the soapbox forever, and I don't think especially it's horrific to hear that young girls, even at age ten, are being encouraged to go on birth control so they can just skip the bleed.

[SPEAKER_03]: That is going to severely mess up their hormones for the rest of their lives.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then we wonder why fertility rates are decreasing.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's a whole other episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: But from being able to see my testing, and now I do every sixty to nine days, where are my heavy metals?

[SPEAKER_03]: Where are all my minerals?

[SPEAKER_03]: Where are the deficiencies?

[SPEAKER_03]: Are there some supplements that I'm not getting enough of that's affecting my liver function?

[SPEAKER_03]: I had so much heavy metals built up like there was code blue and some of my brain tests that came back.

[SPEAKER_03]: But again, it's like your body is going to do everything it can to heal and try to get you to a place of homeostasis.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if not, then it's going to create cancers.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to create these, it's called the healing crisis.

[SPEAKER_03]: So like when you

[SPEAKER_03]: When you, when you scrape your knee, a scab forms, but that's, and that's actually two-protect.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: When you have a cold and you are coughing and you're sneezing, it's so that your body can rid the... You're trying to cough up.

[SPEAKER_03]: This stuff is not supposed to be in your body.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so same thing with cancer is it's showing up as an identification of where to heal or where to focus your attention because something is not going on.

[SPEAKER_03]: But if we just take out the body parts, that doesn't affect.

[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't change the fact that there's so much heavy metals built up.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have a tight on your body cut out the scab.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying we're not at all saying that anyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, not medical people, but it's just ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like what we've learned because of the narrative of what you tend to hear.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you have this thing, take this pill.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have this issue just cut out the body.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got this, like wait a sec.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the human body, I think this part blew me away also, is that we all already have cancer, and it's in our blood far before it attaches to a body part, which is why testing blood on so many metrics and levels is such an efficient way of understanding what's going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: So then if you have the wrong environment,

[SPEAKER_00]: Now it has the opportunity to attach, right, which is why things like long-term water fasting and overdosing a nutrition and stay in a way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's huge detox.

[SPEAKER_00]: We went way down that rabble after that, but I was just like, oh wait, you mean like the body actually knows how to heal itself?

[SPEAKER_00]: and what a novel concept.

[SPEAKER_03]: What was also really interesting was June, June, July, six, seven months after the diagnosis, we went back for, I think it was like a second follow-up, like we'd gone back for more paths and ECCs and all these other, was this the final one we did?

[SPEAKER_03]: No, because we did more, a few more after that.

[SPEAKER_03]: When for the testing, again, follow-up came back, no evidence.

[SPEAKER_03]: But you still need to have the history of me.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, what is your next week?

[SPEAKER_00]: No joke.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, but it just came back no evidence.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that doesn't mean that it's gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: What does no evidence mean to you?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, but it might be somewhere else because of skip lesions.

[SPEAKER_03]: It could be somewhere else.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, but you just want to test by just like your Q tip and the little tissue that you take from the biopsy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, you won't even look at my blood tests, my urine tests, my, uh,

[SPEAKER_03]: my hair tests of testing like the data that what's coming out of the hair follicles like the blood tests will tell us so much more than where they get their their tissue and meanwhile my blood tests have always still shown like if you look at the kind of traffic traffic lights I have not since my diagnosis have never been in the green for those cancer markers that we keep testing.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've always been varying in the yellow sometimes I get a little I've never been in the red though red is where it's like K this is we need to get serious this is a very I don't remember how she words at clinical

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, code read.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in the yellow and it varies in the yellow.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it's very I've been so close to green.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've never been in green yet.

[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, I have more data knowing from my blood tests that I do with my functional medicine doctor than where your Q-tip touches.

[SPEAKER_03]: And therefore, I don't why would I keep coming back for these very painful, I mean, for anyone who's gone through a path like that's one thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's uncomfortable.

[SPEAKER_03]: But when they do the ECC and the biopsy where they go a lot deeper, I mean, thank you for being with me.

[SPEAKER_03]: A little traumatic to go through those.

[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't tense.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's what was so crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: They just every answer led to when you get in surgery tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_00]: What about tomorrow?

[SPEAKER_00]: How about tomorrow?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's surgery tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got surgery tomorrow?

[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas what we found was that there's options and there's time and you can change environments and you can you have far more control.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like that there's a it's almost like they're trying to help you feel helpless.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I remember our last appointment, and that's when I decided this is the last appointment.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not coming back for these tests.

[SPEAKER_03]: The last appointment, I remember leaving and looking at being like, should I get the instructor?

[SPEAKER_03]: To me, it's like, it brainwash me into going back into this fear, and I could feel the tension in my body and the

[SPEAKER_03]: the controlling, like, you need to do this.

[SPEAKER_03]: And here's the risk.

[SPEAKER_03]: And here's what this is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, I'm like, I actually have more data from my functional medicine doctor, where your tests keep telling me no evidence.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a saying no evidence.

[SPEAKER_00]: But actually, the functional medicine doctor is saying that there is evidence, but not at a level that they could go finally do surgery.

[SPEAKER_00]: So isn't interesting to think?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not suggesting this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have a doctor, but anyone who does have a tumor out, and they're hoping it doesn't come back, they're still in yellow.

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it could also be green.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a high problem because they're not going to, they're got to wait for enough evidence.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do we look, we've heard about the mammogram?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have to have breast cancer for seven years before a mammogram.

[SPEAKER_03]: Some can like that, but I think it might be the other way around that thermography, thermography and ultrasounds can pick it up so much earlier too.

[SPEAKER_03]: So thermo and actually like, I would not recommend

[SPEAKER_03]: Also talks to your doctor, but like things like biopsies and mammograms are actually disturbing the environment.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like topping a zit and expecting the stuff to not get everywhere.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like you just spread it just spread it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like wait a second.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we should go into some of the things we did.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was really shocked at how much control there really is and how you're not this helpless.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, wait, we finally have all this cancer but there's nothing you can do anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's cut out by the parts and just hope for the best.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and especially with what are the long term effects after that?

[SPEAKER_03]: Having a historic to me taking a body part, this is very permanent, that is a very permanent decision that affects more than just, okay, well, now I don't have a period anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: When I joined, there were many Facebook groups called Like History Sisters.

[SPEAKER_03]: Women who had instructions before and not judging you.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, absolutely no.

[SPEAKER_03]: I had one of my best friends had a history.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, for her was very necessary.

[SPEAKER_03]: She was in a lot of pain and this helped her to be able to have normalcy after the surgery.

[SPEAKER_03]: So happy for her for me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't in pain.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there was no physical symptom that I was running away from.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, I was told that these things are coming up and obviously the tests are showing me that it's true and it's there.

[SPEAKER_03]: But to remove my body parts and then the fallout of that, I mean, there were women in these Facebook groups that were like, I have this phantom pain.

[SPEAKER_03]: that I don't know, but there's nothing that doctors can do.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm also, you know, harmonally some, some were growing here, some were losing hair, some were losing their libido, not having the moisture there anymore, even some pain.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, that doesn't sound very appealing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think also one of the, I mean, we're not here to judge anyone needing to take at anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's clearly their choice.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're just trying to say that there are options far more story that you can learn than just red alert, but also we also know people that have done both things.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they did a mix of chemo and some natural.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: They did some of the doctor stuff, but then they also went, because you need to fix the whole environment.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just treat the symptom.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not actually getting rid of anything when you get rid of the environment is the problem, not just the tumor.

[SPEAKER_03]: And for some, I actually have a friend of mine that is a specific natural cancer healing doctor.

[SPEAKER_03]: And in some of her, I obviously don't know because I haven't been through it, but she does have some protocols, which is like a lower

[SPEAKER_03]: lower dose.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know exactly of chemo combined with some like misletoe therapy and high vitamin C therapy and vaginal insufflation and like so many other different therapies that kind of combine instead of just okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean when Chris work tells his story about his cancer experience, he had stage three B colon cancer.

[SPEAKER_03]: went to the hospital, had a surgery to remove it, and then after that they're telling them, like, you have to go through chemo and radiation.

[SPEAKER_03]: And while he's in the hospital, coming from the surgery, they plop down the his, you know, hospital lunch tray with a sloppy joe.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where he was like, huh.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that the right path?

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where he said that he just felt like this divine inspiration is messed from God of, nope, you are not going to take that path.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like he had the surgery to remove the tumor.

[SPEAKER_03]: But then after that, he did not do chemo.

[SPEAKER_03]: He did not do radiation.

[SPEAKER_03]: He overdosed on nutrition.

[SPEAKER_03]: Lots of juicy, lots of detoxing, lots of different lymph drainage and so many other things his book is incredible.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we followed a lot of the protocols.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he never, he never had

[SPEAKER_03]: came on radiation and that was what he felt inspired to do and obviously he's been a huge inspiration to so many people who have also followed a similar path even people with stage four given prognosis of saying like you only have this much to live and decades later they're still here.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it does answers.

[SPEAKER_03]: There are answers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you do not have to just take everything prescribed in that, can you?

[SPEAKER_00]: So we changed so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: We changed.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, off the shelf deodorant is terrible for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of the metal that's in my head came from things like deodorant and soaps and

[SPEAKER_00]: And the water were during laundry detergent water, holy smoke that couldn't believe even even in ketchup and condiments and I mean, it's our water bottles that are plastic that send leaching into the water that we then drink, but even tap water for anyone listening.

[SPEAKER_03]: go to ewg.org.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's ew.org slash water, something anyway, just go to it and you could Google it, ew.org.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a there's a page on there where you can put in your zip code and it will show you all of the chemicals that are in your water and also how much beyond what is

[SPEAKER_03]: considered safe and it legal doesn't mean safe because for us like we looked up Boise where we are and it's like there's nine hundred thirty two times the amount of arsenic like it was a hundred fifty seven why why but that well there was something that was like nine hundred but meeting like I never forgot that number is a river we're drinking a hundred fifty seven times the safe limit of arsenic in our water and we're kind of it you know Boise why is there any of us in our water it's like

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait a second.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we got really, we have two filter.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have a whole house filter plus another filter for drinking stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: We change all the soaps, detergents, her food.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everything, bed sheets.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, uh, yeah, fabric soft.

[SPEAKER_00]: My makeup, gosh, candles, you know, bad, so I can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're inhaling it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You've literally breathing in carcinogen.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, that doesn't mean you gotta walk around small like a hippie.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but, but there are other options.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, just lemre to hippies.

[SPEAKER_03]: We love you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually I'm pretty happy myself.

[SPEAKER_03]: We love hippies.

[SPEAKER_03]: hippies smell great.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're all in their essential oil.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we love you hippies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now the point though is like when we started just like tugging on this ball of yarn.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.

[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing unraveled.

[SPEAKER_00]: The rabbit hole was so changed.

[SPEAKER_00]: We even changed like hot dogs.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean like a like oh hot dogs are a carcinogen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: We used to have pigs in a blanket with the kids like every week.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, you get the pills buried, you drop them in there and I was like, I am just feeding straight cancer.

[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: Donuts and

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I'm so much stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so we got really, really deep.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even know.

[SPEAKER_00]: One of the biggest things I think we learned from this is that number one needs to fix the inputs.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, change what's going into your body.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's only half the formula, especially if you've gone in your entire life without ever really realizing this stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, then we have to get good at is outputs is like,

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what was so interesting when we started doing that stuff with Dr. Kelly too.

[SPEAKER_00]: She said, we're going to do these two different tests back to back one day, we're at up to the other.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the first test, she's like, I want you to change anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to, you know, collect your ensembles.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to all this stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the next day, remember, she had us take like that DMSA.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, it's a killating or killating on her sample.

[SPEAKER_00]: I say the word.

[SPEAKER_03]: Killating, I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a, it's a supplement that you take that helps to detox stuff when you

[SPEAKER_00]: And your piece thinks so bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was in my body.

[SPEAKER_03]: I had friends that have taken it and they got sick.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like you were in bed for a whole day because it was so much that it was the body was trying to rid.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like because the body doesn't know how to get rid of metals and so keep attacking it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, cancer is starting to grow in the body and it's like

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's something that's not wrong with your immune system.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was in the fact that you have so much metal in you, which is not supposed to be there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm drinking a can right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: And frankly, like, I shouldn't be.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every time you, one of those little metal fragments just shot to the water drinking it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you have to have a detox protocol in your life.

[SPEAKER_00]: I used to make fun of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you keep detoxing?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was my thought.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you keep detoxing?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you keep detoxing?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're living a life where we are.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're, you know, it is jungle, you know, concrete jungle, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's, you have so much metal in the head, which, by the way, I learned is like one of the number one ways when Kelly got on with me, she goes, you know, this particular type of metal in your head, your very high on is actually directly associated to producing very high anxiety and depression to human.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, look at what I was going through at that time of my wife.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's just fascinating.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then which could lead to like, all's high-mars to mention, and like, this is just the environment we're living in.

[SPEAKER_03]: What was that saying of, it was like, we basically eat a credit card every month of plastic.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is it month?

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was for a year, but still.

[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I don't want to eat a credit card of plastic and metal.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want proof.

[SPEAKER_00]: Look at your forks and knives.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why are the scratches in it?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're eating that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's, there's forever chemicals, which is a type of chemical that is hard, like you can't remove it from your body.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's in McDonald's French fries.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do McDonald's french fries, like that's why they're the same every time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Are we perfect?

[SPEAKER_03]: Have we had McDonald's french fries since?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's about changing the moving average, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think there was a period of extremeness needed to immediately counteract what was going on.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: We wildly raised our baseline and standard.

[SPEAKER_03]: There were some things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even in our pans.

[SPEAKER_00]: Teflon.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, never, never, never, never, never.

[SPEAKER_03]: You need ceramic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Holy smokes.

[SPEAKER_03]: We changed even like our air fryer, because often the air fryers that have Teflon and you're like scraping the bottom of it will then that's coming into your food.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we, we got like, we got the Cadillac of juicers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cadillac of juicers.

[SPEAKER_03]: We were juicing.

[SPEAKER_03]: I drink so much carrot juice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Carrot and celery juice, orange.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, we, we have Chris, Chris Warf also has a cancer fighting cookbook, which is great.

[SPEAKER_03]: We love that one.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, we change.

[SPEAKER_03]: We have water filters.

[SPEAKER_03]: We got a sauna to sweat toxins out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's an infrared sauna.

[SPEAKER_03]: With Dr. Kelly, you do these blood tests and then you get a customized protocol of the right supplements that you need for the next ninety days and you retest to then test again of like, we'll had that effect.

[SPEAKER_03]: The numbers did the cancer markers go down, did hopefully you've detoxed and the heavy metals have gone down.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was one time where

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought like I was doing everything perfectly.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was doing the DMS A therapy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was doing the the sauna.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was having lots of cruciferous vegetables because that's also very amazing for cancer fighting and and then I had my testing and it was like my stallion which is what I have a mental went like spiked.

[SPEAKER_03]: So what the heck I've been doing everything right will the type of kale I was eating had a lot of stallion in it.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like

[SPEAKER_03]: You think you're doing things right, but then also some other environmental things might come up.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's why if you're not testing your guessing and until until we started doing this, I don't know anyone that was doing testing this frequently to know what's actually going on in their body in their environment.

[SPEAKER_00]: To honestly, Tim Ferris is probably the only person I knew of doing that.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, but yeah, if you're not testing your guessing and I think that was a big

[SPEAKER_00]: thing, I love the inference.

[SPEAKER_00]: So normal sauna, you sweat, and I think I saw the data that three percent of your sweat is toxin, both infrared, twenty percent of your sweat is toxin.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so you get out a lot more crap.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the, I really feel like the thing that just kicked it over the edge for us was long-term water fasting.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is Mother Nature's medicine.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not fun for the first day or two.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I felt so clean.

[SPEAKER_00]: We did a five day water fast.

[SPEAKER_00]: A four lots of threes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's long term water fast is like

[SPEAKER_03]: It's turning your body into like an incinerator for the bad stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: It allows your body to instead of eating, you know, the food that you're putting into it, carbs and fats and protein.

[SPEAKER_03]: It goes towards the the most damaged cells first and goes into it, something called autophagy.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it starts to eat the bad cells and stuff that just just junk.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a your own garbage disposal through fasting.

[SPEAKER_00]: your body still eating.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just eating you and it doesn't eat the good cells that eat all the bad cells.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the disgusting messy cells, which usually starts around day three of the fast.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're trying to do day three four five as long as you can because

[SPEAKER_00]: you must stay in the top of you in your body.

[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot express how clean I felt.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've never felt that clean in my life.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like physically.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's it's own skill to fast that long.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that, that one mixed with like changing inputs, changing the vitamins.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and the vitamin thing was cool too because, you know, we grew up taking a multivitamin, which over the counter multivitamin's are also mostly fillers in crap.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the problem with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not measuring your guessing, you don't know if you're getting the right amount of item and see, if nobody is the right amount of item.

[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, I remember when the first time I did it with Kelly, I had like no Omega Threes in my body.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like just none.

[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, I have to make a shrink fish oil.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like my brain had tons of metal and almost no Omega's, which is crazy because like, is Omega Threes.

[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because we often get people that come to us after a scary diagnosis or someone that they love, what is like maybe the little checklist or the top three or doesn't even have to be a number, things that you would tell them to help put their mind at ease as soon as they get a diagnosis.

[SPEAKER_03]: For me, one of the first things would be like, don't make any decisions yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's pause.

[SPEAKER_03]: Pause, breathe, ride the emotions.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do some research.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Speak to people that are empowering, not fear-based, because even, I mean, I have people around me that I love and I know love me very much.

[SPEAKER_03]: They were like, you're not listening to your doctor.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, are you just... Are you crazy?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, are you just completely... Try to die.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's like, no, I'm just listening to a different doctor.

[SPEAKER_00]: Still a doctor.

[SPEAKER_03]: To the not medically incentivized pharmaceutical backed doctor.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually have more data from these doctors.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the second thing that I would recommend is get more data.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Get second, third, fourth, tenth opinions and get actual data.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get see the data.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I mean, for me, it was I got the diagnosis after a pap, a biopsy, an ECC.

[SPEAKER_00]: How do you see this?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's for seizure.

[SPEAKER_03]: And even that, like now knowing what I know, it's like, oh, I just kept disturbing the area by just continuing to poke at it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, that probably caused it to flare up and create more cancerous cells because there's just poking the hive.

[SPEAKER_03]: So get more data and also look into, I mean, something that we heard too is like conventional therapy is alternative therapy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like alternative medicine.

[SPEAKER_00]: is the original medicine.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is the original like any the most the most organic.

[SPEAKER_03]: What you would call woo woo natural stuff is what.

[SPEAKER_00]: What was the original for thousands of years of human it like.

[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I'm from a suitable before Rockefeller or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I gosh, yeah, I would say yeah, it's it's get more data like slow down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just like you said, but I'd say, it's about creating a healthy environment for the body to do its thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I kept thinking that you are the one that has to do the healing.

[SPEAKER_00]: How do I heal my body?

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, that's not how it works.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's how do I help my body have an environment for it to heal me?

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, that's really the way to go with it because the body knows what it's doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And most of us already have cancer.

[SPEAKER_00]: You get cancer when it builds up so much that your immune system can no longer fight it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so what you're trying to do is create an environment of healing way before it ever becomes scary cancer.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, it really, it removed the boogie man.

[SPEAKER_00]: When we started going down that route, like, oh, wait a second, this is not just gonna come and grab me and I have no control.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, actually, you have, and it's, you know, start earlier, you know, start, but you fix the inputs, fix the outputs,

[SPEAKER_00]: How can you detox and sweat and get nasty stuff out of you?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even ice baths that haven't been doing that's a super huge data inputs outputs environment environment and and honestly psyche matters a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't it also we learned like

[SPEAKER_00]: Stress is literally killer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Literally.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just some like stress is going to kill you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, the stress is killing you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It creates an oxidative state in the body and oxidizes.

[SPEAKER_00]: You cut an apple and leave it out for twenty minutes on like, you know, you watch oxidizes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, you want to know some oxidation.

[SPEAKER_00]: Emotions are material, then not in the material.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so inside the body, you are actually creating massive oxidative pressure.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it does age your literal organs to be stressed.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so for me, I had to not talk to people that were fueling the fear.

[SPEAKER_03]: I needed to be around people that were like, here's the evidence.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so many case studies of people who've done this before you.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so we did a lot of things like changing our environment, reducing our overdosing on nutrition, detoxing, having the DMSA therapy, which is the killating.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which read the bias out of the US.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, US.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, did things like, um, hydrocholent therapy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, cleaning yourself from the inside out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Holy smokes.

[SPEAKER_03]: What a way to detox.

[SPEAKER_03]: And also, it's like cleaning, uh, described it like cleaning off like a lasagna pan.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like the stuff that's just been baked on there for, for years and years.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, doing like a ten day, uh, hydrocholent thing is I've just heard as miraculous people with chronic, not even just cancer, even like,

[SPEAKER_00]: issues.

[SPEAKER_03]: So many things.

[SPEAKER_00]: What was that phrase called a death starts in the colon?

[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're going to, like, your death begins in the colon.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you keep that thing clean.

[SPEAKER_00]: I used to make fun of that so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: People do coffee animals and all this crap.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, actually, it's so good for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Romans do that before they go to war.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, a real thing, like, get on with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, that's just all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Someone thinks it or who I feel like have the stigma to make people not want to do it, but it's like, that is actually, that's the way.

[SPEAKER_03]: I did, I went to San Francisco San Diego for some water hydrogent, no oxygen bath.

[SPEAKER_03]: I did those oxygen baths, retreat for a few days.

[SPEAKER_03]: We did stem cells.

[SPEAKER_00]: Stem cells, I feel like we're huge.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was, there's some cool cancer centers here that do like, I don't know, it was cancer centers, but IV health places like high vitamin C therapy is so good.

[SPEAKER_03]: The ozone insufflation also like energy healing.

[SPEAKER_03]: I did a lot of energy work where they would be like pumping

[SPEAKER_03]: frequencies into my body because we also learn that health actually starts with physics.

[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people think health is like biology, chemistry, but it's energy.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's protons, electrons like positive energy to I can't communicate it the way that our friends who are geniuses would.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a good video though about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: healing is frequency.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, there's a group maybe we can link that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's also there seems like there's a lot of correlations between dental and cancers like this was a I mean, I was a dental hygienist.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is not something that I learned in school that actually every tooth is connected to an organ and we had friends that they went to

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a biological dentist who replace feelings like for anyone listening.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you have albums, those kinds of feelings in your mouth, root canals, root canals are so bad for you.

[SPEAKER_03]: You should look into yours by honestly.

[SPEAKER_03]: So many things that can correlate to the body.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to share maybe to wrap this up?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Before I got my diagnosis, I remember you woke up one morning, you'd already been awake and you just got this download that I feel like is really amazing that you received this message before my diagnosis, which then opened the door to so much that we learned and feel like as part of our kind of mission and purpose.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it was only like three months before.

[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't it?

[SPEAKER_00]: There's um, September, September and I got diagnosed with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: December?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was that fun on hacking live.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I remember it was the Thursday morning of fun on hacking live.

[SPEAKER_00]: I woke up and I wasn't a way, and I wasn't asleep.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I remember very intense.

[SPEAKER_00]: I remember very clearly.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was being instructed to develop a medical underground railroad and

[SPEAKER_00]: It was so clear.

[SPEAKER_00]: I remember I was crying because it was so clear.

[SPEAKER_00]: And those three words I never answered entered my head in those steps, the order before ever.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know, and you have those downloads, you know, it's not quite common for me, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember it was so clean and clear that I was shocked and shook me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't understand, I still don't know what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't know what it is, but I also feel like we're living it.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and more things have come to fruition since far more as come out since then and there's more things coming and and certain things out of the community and I'll see it but the basis of it was like we want people to be able to have access to healthcare in ways that might not be completely obvious and to at least show people that there's other resources.

[SPEAKER_00]: and more of those opportunities have popped up for us and sometimes just saying it out loud and saying like this is something that we want to create has also brought the right people to us to be able to help and that's come up for us a lot lately a lot lately actually it's been interesting so the medical underground on it's I'm like sitting on profit I'm pretty sure it has to be is it is an education thing it can't be something where it's like we're going to hand out free healthcare that's socialism and you know

[SPEAKER_00]: not definitely I can do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, I don't know what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this actually, I feel like very much ties in what we've been talking about now, which is that, you know, business coach that you've not had for several years, you know, he has that quote, you know, I says from I think Socrates that nature of horrors avoid, meaning vacuums.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so like one of the things he's been teaching is you don't actually have to have all these answers.

[SPEAKER_00]: What you need to do is you need to create void.

[SPEAKER_00]: And just like if I was to go out and, you know, in the field over there at the shovel and shovel up some dirt, I could come back in a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just going to be dirt anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be plants.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be stuff there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nature abhorves a void.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nature fills vacuums.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so as creators and creatives and even with our bodies, we don't have to have all these answers.

[SPEAKER_00]: What we need to do is hold open the container.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if we can open a container, hold up in the vacuum nature, a pour is void, and it will actually start to fill it for us.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's part of the power that we have as human beings where we start to ask for and invoke divinity to come through and speak.

[SPEAKER_00]: So for since then, I'm like, well, I still don't know what it's going to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure what it is that we're going to do, but we've been holding the vacuum open nature pours a void, a medical underground railroad.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's something that's going to be there sometime in the future.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure that I'm not the answer.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the thought I got.

[SPEAKER_00]: My thought that came through the sentiment was to put the structure together and it will answer itself.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's kind of what the body needs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hold open the container of health and environment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Your body knows what to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: We consciously don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually smarter than we are with healing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So just like the get out of the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Stop eating sugar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know that the cancer diagnosis, sorry, I just want to say this, sorry, a little rant.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hundred years ago, the average human being

[SPEAKER_00]: eight, I might boss some of the numbers, but it's around these areas, average human being eight, like three to five pounds of sugar a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Guess what it is today.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh gosh, that's like in a day, sometimes for people.

[SPEAKER_00]: The average human being eats over hundred twenty pounds of sugar a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so what's happening is fifty year olds have the brain of a seventy year old.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sugar ages it oxidizes your brain.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does make you dumber.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's addictive.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like heroin, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: They compare it to getting rid of the sugar addiction.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like stop eating sugar.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's sugar and glucose specifically are what cancer cells feast off of which is why I'm going kind of right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then fasting to create that void for your body to get into a top of G. Eat up the bad cells and kind of get some garbage disposal.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the best things you can do for it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then from that space that boy has been created then to reenter with

[SPEAKER_03]: overdosing on nutrition, whether that's juicing cruciferous vegetables.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's not, and so actually a question is, does that mean you're a vegetarian?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because remember, when Chris Whark was saying, like, you can heal this naturally, you just need to change your lifestyle.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I can't do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I thought that meant, like, I have to be a vegan.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I have to, I don't know, like, I had no idea what that meant.

[SPEAKER_03]: If I needed to be vegan to save my life, I probably could do it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But it didn't also require that.

[SPEAKER_03]: For Chris, he definitely does follow a lot of vegan stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: For what we decided on is I still liked him.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that high protein and animal protein is really important, but it's the quality organic grass fed grass finished, even our butter that we use now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It takes our butter.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe it's real butter.

[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's real butter.

[SPEAKER_03]: But it's also our butter is grass-fed grass-fed.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's butter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Super high.

[SPEAKER_00]: Someone's like, it's so expensive to live like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, probably live longer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's also expensive.

[SPEAKER_00]: Die.

[SPEAKER_03]: Cancer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dying early.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I had a question for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Answer daily double.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: So hard to watch you go to that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for watching me go through that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well,

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm risking, I'm not trying to put the spot on me.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I almost brought this up earlier, but I was like, I don't want to make the, because this is about, like, what you went through and trying to help everyone here as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, but that being said, what is it that you feel like that the other of the person who has cancer?

[SPEAKER_00]: Can, should be doing, or should not be doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And feel free to use me as examples of good and bad.

[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great question.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, man, I just like to also give you huge props.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you held things when I didn't even know what what was going on.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you probably also let me get away with a lot of emotions that maybe you were mistreated abused a little like if I was

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think abuse is a writer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because we're not like, we don't argue, we're not being each other.

[SPEAKER_03]: But just when there were times where I was like, where I had nothing to give, you were probably just like, I'm not going to ask.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you probably were probably held that for a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, shout out to anyone who is the other of someone with some scary diagnosis.

[SPEAKER_00]: My point though is like, what's the best way to support someone that you're watching go through cancer?

[SPEAKER_03]: You never tried to force me to get it together.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, hey, okay, you've been grieving for some time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Can we move on from this or anything like you?

[SPEAKER_03]: Let me go at my own pace.

[SPEAKER_03]: I also am such a verbal processor and I know that about myself and you would always let you hold the trash while I just unloaded and would help me sift through it and organize it and like, well, what should we do this?

[SPEAKER_03]: Should we do this?

[SPEAKER_03]: What if we do this?

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, talking things out.

[SPEAKER_03]: I actually, this is, I know I've shared this on a previous podcast, but

[SPEAKER_03]: But literally just asking someone what's the best way I can support you right now?

[SPEAKER_03]: And you've done that to be like, how can I be here for you right now?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you need space?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you need food?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you need to go for a walk?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to go for a walk?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to go for a walk?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to go for a walk?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to go for a walk?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to go for a walk?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to go for a walk?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So literally just asking is also really helpful.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious for you, like you being on that side of it, what do you feel like if something like that were to come up again, how would you handle it differently or what worked for you, what didn't work that you learned after some time was like, oh, I would do that differently next time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So cancer is a frequency, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, only hit two tuning forks together, homeless, you know, they become the same frequency.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the challenges is for anyone watching a listening that you as the other don't start taking on the frequency of the other just because they're going through it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That actually was probably the hardest part was because I needed to empathize, sympathize,

[SPEAKER_00]: you know, without letting myself go down to, which is also why I started doing so much of the anti-cancer and healing protocols with you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that you had a partner to do it with, I had a partner to do it with, but it also was protection for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like,

[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, all my stuff came back.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any kind of cancer stuff, but I also was like, you know, this very easily could become one of those things where, you know, as a story is where someone doesn't actually get better because someone's always hurt in the other, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: You become the person you're hanging around and it's like, how far does that go?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it actually might go really, really far.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that was the big thing I felt like it was just to go through it with you by, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's five day fast together.

[SPEAKER_03]: and you led that actually.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love you were like, hey, let's do a five day water fast starting tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just did it on a whim.

[SPEAKER_03]: We spontaneously did a five day water crisis.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I love it.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're like not overthinking it.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to plan ahead.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're just going to do it tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_03]: And when I said yes to it, I didn't think I was actually going to get all the way through.

[SPEAKER_01]: We did it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But because we did it together, we did it together.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that if I didn't have you, I might have quit on day two.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's hard for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: But then it's also one of the things you're like, I've come this far.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I may as well just go another day.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I may as well just go another day.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just keep going.

[SPEAKER_03]: But then also to have someone to talk to about everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just learned this thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to tell you this.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, that comes up all the time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Last week, I was learning about breast implant illness.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, here's a thing that I just learned.

[SPEAKER_03]: And this might come up.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then it gives us like talking points.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then when we hear from other people that ask us questions, it's like, we've mastered minded among our selves about it to be able to share what we've learned.

[SPEAKER_00]: I also think it's important as the other, I guess I'll keep calling it, is that when you have someone in your life going through something really scary, health-wise or diagnosis-wise or whatever, or it could be anything, there needs to be an opportunity to offload emotional weight, and it's not the other's job to hold it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's your job to meaning you can't internalize it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so there were times where I definitely had to, it's almost like I was emotionally holding a trash can.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'll hold the trash can, but I'm not the trash can.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?

[SPEAKER_03]: We've totally used the trash can analogy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just need you to hold the trash.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I need to get it on out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's something that's that's important.

[SPEAKER_00]: So what that also means though is that the other needs their own form of recharge, and it's probably without the person who's going through something scary.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: If this got to be in a way, because if you keep trying to, if you keep trying to be there for the other person who's constantly

[SPEAKER_00]: going through your legitimate stuff and you don't want to stifle that you want to be real like hey you're going to cancel you're going to something really hardcore.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if they're trying to recharge physically right next to them at the same time and get their tuning fork up so to speak right it's going to be hard it will become a situation and it there were definitely times I think I was not doing this right where I was starting to give from a

[SPEAKER_00]: from a tipping cup rather than an overflowing cup of myself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't demyxense it all.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I needed to learn from an overflowing cup.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I needed to learn how to

[SPEAKER_00]: take better care of my own recharge so that when I was around you and you didn't need to kind of let go stuff where we were going to call the doctor we were going to go see the doctor there was something really heavy about to happen that what I was giving from I'd already taken care of myself and so I think the point is it just because someone in your life is going through something really hardcore it is not licensed to let yourself emotionally or physically go just to have empathy with them

[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a big, because you see that happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: You see that happen where now there's two of them have cancer or now or not judging just pointing.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that there are people who will say like, well, my spouse is going through this thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to gain a bunch of weight with them.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't feel, you know what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, whoa, just a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit of abandonment of your own path.

[SPEAKER_00]: When is it a strength?

[SPEAKER_00]: And when is it literally enablement?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the thing to be careful of those two things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Be careful, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It did, I was shocked about this.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was a few, but I don't know if you know this.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a few times I went and hung out with a few other buddies of spouses, of people who had gone through cancer stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I needed my own support group

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: My own support group, I guess that's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I knew that there were certain emotional needs that I needed to get met just as a human being and as a man that it was unfair to ask for me at that moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because you were, you know, understandably spiraling, you know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I appreciate that you gave me the space to spiral.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I remember specifically one day where, hmm, remember the time where I said that I was going to take a sabbatical from work, and I didn't even take an afternoon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: I like, even publicly announced it, and then I didn't.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I remember, I probably took that afternoon to be on.

[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I, I remember laying on the floor, looking, I like, I was on the floor.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I was on the floor feeling like so down.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just letting myself chat with her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was letting myself have a pity party.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was looking at, thank you for, yeah, you like let me feel okay in that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm just gonna have a pity party laying on the floor and look at the window.

[SPEAKER_00]: To say otherwise, I mean, to deny your feelings so it's okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: But that was the moment where I was like, I have nothing to give and I'm really grateful that this man is letting me do this.

[SPEAKER_03]: But also, I love this man so much that I'm not gonna do this for that long.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool to talk about this part of it because there's the science and the chemistry and the physics aspect of cancer.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's like the government mixed with medical, I'm just a straight up say, collusion, right, on the money side of cancer.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's the relational side of it of what happens.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're all just as equally important and definitely an aspect to it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really excited for RFK.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love that you got to meet him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was really special and symbolic moment that you met him and got to give him the capitalist pig shirts.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Inc.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he said when you gave it to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said, I will wear this with pride.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, I will treasure this forever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, yeah, that was the other way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will, I will treasure this forever.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I know some people have seen some people that are like,

[SPEAKER_03]: are of case not a doctor, how could he do this?

[SPEAKER_03]: And the fact is though, America is the sickest.

[SPEAKER_02]: We are sick.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the most chronically sick and unhealthy in fat, country, and we need a change.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm really excited to see what he does.

[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of the things that he says, I agree with so much.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's pointed out a lot of the things that I didn't know previously before going through this.

[SPEAKER_03]: cancer experience, and so glad to have this different perspective that is in control of the ingredients and food.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, coming from Canada, our serial aisle is different than American serial aisles.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I was talking, they mentioned this.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you, I know we're going down, you know, but hey, it literally contributes to cancer, which is actually, so I think the stat was, so he, RFK was saying when he was growing up, he's like, you know, that one,

[SPEAKER_00]: out of every like ten thousand children got was autistic.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's one out of every thirty five.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's Matt that that's the real pandemic.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have a health pandemic.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have more links and cool links to, we did do a lot of research on our sauna.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not all sauna's are created equally.

[SPEAKER_00]: And some have do literally have metals or bad EMF.

[SPEAKER_00]: EMF was a good one.

[SPEAKER_03]: EMF is the new smoking.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is so sitting.

[SPEAKER_03]: We will have a page on our website with all of our links for the doctor that we work with.

[SPEAKER_03]: Water filter, some of the supplements we take now.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.

[SPEAKER_03]: Armoura.

[SPEAKER_00]: Armoura is someone who's texting about our deodorant, which deodorant is its old beast.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll put like a grocery list of the typical like even laundry detergent cleaning supplies or dishwasher detergent like all of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Basically anything you consume or touch.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: We'll put all that in and see you on the next episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but let's know what has stuck out to you the most.

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