When All Hell Breaks Loose

What happens when you get out of prison… and life hits even harder?

In this gut-wrenching continuation of Marcus Wilson’s story, we go beyond incarceration and into the real battle—facing shame, rebuilding from scratch, and enduring unthinkable loss. From living in a basement to losing his daughter to a sudden stroke, Marcus lays it all bare.

But this isn’t just a story of tragedy. It’s a testimony of grace.

If you’ve ever questioned your faith in hard times, felt like you were drowning in your past, or needed a reminder that healing is possible—this episode is for you.

🎧 Tap in to hear how Marcus turned his pain into purpose, and why he believes his story isn’t just about survival—it’s about resurrecting hope for others.

Creators and Guests

Host
Chris King
Chris King is the host of the “When All Hell Breaks Loose” (WAHBL) podcast, where he facilitates real, raw, and uplifting conversations about overcoming life’s toughest challenges. Through this platform, Chris aims to help listeners discover strength and hope during difficult times. His engaging discussions provide profound insights into finding light amidst adversity, guiding audiences to rise stronger.

What is When All Hell Breaks Loose?

WAHBL Podcast (When All Hell Breaks Loose) is your go-to source for real, raw, and uplifting conversations about overcoming life’s toughest challenges. Hosted by Chris King and Monique LaRue, this podcast dives deep into the personal stories of resilience, faith, and growth, providing practical advice on how to thrive when everything feels like it’s falling apart. Whether you’re navigating loss, career setbacks, or personal struggles, each episode offers inspiration, actionable steps, and a reminder that even in the darkest moments, there’s hope on the horizon. Tune in for empowering discussions, audience engagement, and thought-provoking interviews that will help you take life’s toughest blows and turn them into victories. For more information, please visit our website at https://wahblpodcast.com and follow us across social media @wahblpodcast

Chris King:

Growing up, my mother used to always say, if it ain't one thing, it's another. And she would say, thang. She would mean that there was always something coming coming around the corner. There was always something to deal with. And the person that we have with us today, he definitely knows how to deal with stuff going on in your life because he truly had to overcome.

Chris King:

One thing actually, one thing after another. I wanna welcome to When All Hell Breaks This podcast, my man Marcus Wilson. Marcus, welcome, man. I'm so excited that you're here. I love chopping it up with you, man.

Chris King:

Tell the people a little bit about yourself.

Marcus Wilson:

Hey, Chris. What's up, man? Glad to be here. What do you wanna know about me?

Chris King:

Man, just tell them. I mean, just just give them the hip hop version, just high level. We're get into your journey, but just high level right now a little bit about yourself, because we're talk about that other stuff.

Marcus Wilson:

Obviously, I'm a married man, president and CEO of Intelligence Inc, and founder of Bounce Back.

Chris King:

Okay. Good deal, man. Now, let's just jump into it, man. You know how we talk. I'm excited about this conversation because, you know, our conversations are like some of the realest conversations I've had in a long time.

Chris King:

And so with your journey, man, you've had to overcome a hell of a lot. Right? We talk about all hell breaking loose. This is like you are the poster boy

Marcus Wilson:

for all

Chris King:

hell breaking loose. Now, some of it was self induced. Right? But, you know, you're the poster boy for all hell breaking loose. And so, you know, you were incarcerated.

Chris King:

Right? And then you you experienced a lot of loss, but you even experienced loss even before that. Absolutely. And so now, it's really a redemption story. And and I think we talk we focus on that, but I wanna first hear about the journey, man.

Chris King:

The incarceration, what led you to that, and and and and let's go from there.

Marcus Wilson:

Well well, Chris, you know, starting out, coming from Mississippi Mhmm. I just didn't see a whole lot. Right? I saw educated people, my mom, but she really didn't have anything. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

You know, we weren't looking for plate things to eat, but just wasn't the journey I thought about. Yeah. Okay? Losing my dad at 32, he got killed. So I'm like, man.

Marcus Wilson:

So, went to the military, did my four years, was broke there and came here to Atlanta. Hung with the wrong crew and thought I was something I wasn't. Mhmm. You know, when you absorb somebody's identity, anyone when you're a broken kid, when you go through those things, right, you always are looking and you connect. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Broken people typically for some reason connect with broken people. You know, they always say hurt people hurt people. Broken people hang around. Birds of a fellow fly together. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Well, that's what my journey was. Yeah. As a kid that continued to make bad decisions and fail my way through them.

Chris King:

So it's like you you know, some people talk about you attract what you are. Right? And so it's like and then you can always talk tell, you know, when people out in the streets or people out in the world, they can always tell somebody broken as and and they sort of prey on those type of people. Right? So, you know, you're in a you're in a place you're broken, you're in a wrong crowd, coming back to Atlanta out of the military broke, trying to make some money.

Chris King:

Right? And you make some decisions to get you suspended in prison. Right? So how many years were you sentenced and how many did you do?

Marcus Wilson:

Seven. I did. Well, got sentenced as a split sentence. Okay. Seven served five.

Chris King:

Okay.

Marcus Wilson:

I did about a little over thirty months. Okay. Alright. When you do that type of time, it doesn't matter. Let's start talking about the seven years Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

In a split sentence. Five years to be served in prison. That's where your parole is gonna come from. Okay. And then the two years is when you're out, they're gonna give you two years, first offender probation, if you have that, to clean your record Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Which my record could've been clean, but that wasn't my journey.

Chris King:

Yeah. So, yeah, you was telling me you always was getting in trouble. After you got out, man, so and it was by the grace of God you didn't go back, but what was going on?

Marcus Wilson:

I just did dumb stuff.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

So, take a few friends. Again, I'm staying with somebody Mhmm. In their basement. Well, let me go me go back for a second. I need to give you details.

Marcus Wilson:

Mhmm. And while I was in prison, I took what is called a method of apprentice program. Okay. Okay? That's a program that's administered in the prison system and then when you get out, the job is to try to get you a job somewhere as like, in my case, a commercial electrician.

Marcus Wilson:

But that's just at that point, you're just a prince. Mhmm. So you got a long way to go before you become a journeyman. But that wasn't my path. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

So it was a temporary holding spot for me. So I'm staying with Earl Mhmm. For about a year. I make my transition to IT because I you know, he's in IT, so I'm just following his path. But while I'm while I'm going through the studying at IT, I just remember this time of going going to work Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

At that job. They didn't really like us.

Chris King:

Yeah. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

They didn't. We were convicts. That's what we recall back then. Today, you get these pretty words, justice impacted.

Chris King:

Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Back then, convicts.

Chris King:

Yeah. So you're working as an apprentice, right, with an electrician company and you you glossed over a little bit, you know, Earl. Tell me about and that's where you were staying after you got out. Mhmm. So tell me about about Earl.

Chris King:

Was was Earl a family member? Was Earl you know, what how did you come around come across Earl who really took you in?

Marcus Wilson:

Earl I had worked with Earl prior to getting in trouble. Okay. So I had a little little job before before I got in. Right? Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

So meeting meeting him was a blessing. Mhmm. Because when you get out of prison and you only got $90 and the clothes on your back, that's truly all I had. Because, you know, when you go to prison, you lose everything.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

My credit's jacked up, I'm broke, and I'm I'm at they drop you off at the Greyhound Bus Station for some reason and that's it. You you get a ticket and you can you can stay here, you can go, doesn't matter. That's how the system worked back then. Right? Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

So when you me, I'm just making phone calls. I'm dialing for a place to stay. Remember, got seventy two we've talked about where I got seventy two hours to report to the parole office or guess what? I get a warrant.

Chris King:

Wow. It's that simple.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. You don't report, it's a warrant. Mhmm. It's an immediate bench warrant and you they come in looking for you because you're an ex con on the loose. It's different.

Marcus Wilson:

It's not a speeding ticket. Right? You're an ex con and they want to find where you are. So that's gonna be something where a marshal is looking for you. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Alright? So you have to be very careful about those things. So, you know, you you report and then when when you get there, the parole office, they already know you've been through this program. They knew I had been through the program. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

So they've already got an assignment for me. Okay. So I'm gonna go then, get myself together to go to this electrical apprentice job using the training that I had while I was locked up. Mhmm. And my my career started from there.

Marcus Wilson:

Now, being out there, I did the crappiest jobs. I don't know if people know when you're in construction, you ever heard of the word tamping?

Chris King:

Mm-mm. No. Tamping is

Marcus Wilson:

when you dig a ditch and you have to bury cable, you're running temporary electrical power, that power is going under. Somebody's using a ditch witch to do it. And then tamping is that like foot that you may see. Yeah. That's that big foot that you might see that boo boo boo boo boo.

Chris King:

Did nose like Right? That's a tamp. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Alright. So I'm doing tamping, I'm doing all the dirty jobs, I'm hanging all the lights. Basically, I'm free labor. Oh, I'm cheap labor. Because I am getting $7.50 now, so I'm balling.

Chris King:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

So, this this journey is just more of it's like not one cataclysmic event. It's like death by a thousand paper cuts. Right? So, I've gone through the loss of a dad. I've gone through prison.

Marcus Wilson:

I'm now being treated like trap I mean, trash. Yeah. Right? Because nobody likes you.

Chris King:

So let's let's let's park right here. Mhmm. Right? Because I've you and I, we've talked talked about this a little bit. Absolutely.

Chris King:

You know, in in that because a lot of guys go back, right, real quick. And you were close to going back. Yep. And, you know, some people may say, well, at least you had a job coming out. At least, you know, we you you know, the system helped you get you on your feet and all this other stuff.

Chris King:

But tell me about, you know, that job, what it's like, and the the struggles that you still had while you're doing the dirty work.

Marcus Wilson:

You you can get a job. It's it's a myth. People people say you can't get a job when you go to prison. You can. There are warehouse jobs

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Every single day. Who wants to work on a warehouse when you've been selling drugs?

Chris King:

Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? It's a choice that you make. Yeah. Right? It's not, oh, just couldn't get a job.

Marcus Wilson:

You do you know how many lawn care services there are that you can work outside? Because you're not gonna get a job. Remember, when you get a felony, I cannot get a job in the school system, not the government, not a financial. Mhmm. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

No Bank of America, no Chase, no nothing like that. Right? So your options are limited. So most times they try to shift you to like a warehouse. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

And you get stuck doing manual labor for the rest of your life. Yeah. People can't deal with that because you you're making $8.09, $10 an hour. Think about me back then.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

I was making $7.50. The only thing that my saving grace was I was staying in a basement. Mhmm. And I was trying my best to pay him as much as I could and also buy gas and also buy food. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

So I can get myself back to work or whatever and just keep my the uniforms because I definitely didn't have no bunch of clothes. Right. Right? So the whole journey is just it became one problem after another.

Chris King:

Yeah. So now I'm hearing like a mind thing. Right? Because it's like I'm used to making this type of money selling drugs. Right?

Chris King:

I'm used to fending for myself. Right? And now I gotta depend on this man. Now I ain't got no money. I barely got money to eat.

Chris King:

Right? Let alone really start a life after, you know, I've I've I've done my time. And so now I'm at a crossroads. Right? And and correct me if I'm wrong.

Chris King:

Right? Because this is what I'm this is what I'm hearing as I, okay, what am I gonna do just just to get ahead? You feel like a complete failure. Yeah. You're a man.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Yeah. Men, what are we?

Chris King:

Yeah. Provide. Provide.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. There it is. So when you can't provide, you don't feel like a man.

Chris King:

Yeah. And you can't even provide for yourself. Absolutely. That's the issue.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. I couldn't even do even trying to I remember me and Earl had a conversation and me me and my wife talk about this. Right? It's it's it's a joke. But I remember dating a girl I was in his basement.

Marcus Wilson:

You know, he said, you you should tell her to go home. I said, what? I hurt my feelings.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

I said, what do you mean? I'm here with you. He said, you can't even take care of yourself. Right. That's what he said.

Marcus Wilson:

You brought that point up. And that was the kind of the real life conversation as somebody who is really trying to help you. They're give you the real life conversation. Right? Because he wasn't trying to coddle me.

Marcus Wilson:

Mhmm. Right? This is a tough conversation. So I'm a tough conversation person. You don't have to coddle me.

Marcus Wilson:

You just give it to me. Right? Because beating around a bush, I've never gotten that. I've been called failure, ex convict, you name it. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

So these tough conversations, they're normal.

Chris King:

So did you ever think about going that it'd be easier to go back?

Marcus Wilson:

Absolutely. You you absolutely. You get three square meals in there a day and you ain't gotta fend for yourself all day. Right? You just gotta fight.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Do whatever you skid on your bunk, fight sometimes. Don't touch the TV, that's a trick box as they call it. Right? So don't do some things in there and life's good.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. But that's so many people get institutionalized, right?

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

And go back because it's easier in there. Your entire day is scheduled for you. You don't have to think. When I walked out, prison wasn't my issue. It's when I left.

Chris King:

Hit me hit me hit me with that again because you said your day is is scheduled. I mean, okay, we know how to fight. Right? You you go up, you fight, okay, you gotta fight. Mhmm.

Chris King:

And and take care of yourself. But, you know, you you said it was easier in prison and that almost tempted you to go back.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. Because you because think about it. When I got out here, what I had to I had to do everything.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

I had to feed myself. I now got to work. I got to figure out how to get through, navigate life now with a felony. Remember, once you're in there, you get your food Mhmm. You get your, so to speak, your TV time, you get your phone time, you get your yard time.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Yard, go work out, blah blah blah. Right? You get this time. But out here, when I walked out, that's when my issues, that's when prison started.

Marcus Wilson:

Why? Because prison, a felony is truly a life sentence. Yeah. And and and I look tell anybody that is thinking about getting in trouble, this a life sentence. Be careful because you're thinking about, oh, I'll only do a few years if I get caught doing something.

Marcus Wilson:

No. You'll do the rest of your life. Mhmm. Because I still fight battles today. You just saw them.

Marcus Wilson:

I just went through some Yeah. I'm I'm down at the courthouse dealing with stuff on the park.

Chris King:

I hit you up that morning and you was

Marcus Wilson:

I'm headed down to the courthouse. I'm still dealing with stuff. I take off morning traffic right up to go down and deal with a record thing. Right? To get my records to go do something and file and upload.

Chris King:

Right? How long ago was you know, that was

Marcus Wilson:

Think about it. My first charge was almost thirty

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Years ago. Yeah. Thirty. Yeah.

Chris King:

I talked to you that morning. You was in traffic.

Marcus Wilson:

Oh, no. I'm in traffic still dealing with stuff from thirty years ago. Right? Yeah. And people are like, oh, no.

Marcus Wilson:

I'm like, no, no, no, no. It's it's different. It's how much time are you gonna do in prison physically.

Chris King:

Yeah. So but when you now when you're working out at the apprentice with with electrician, Right? You know, you you've taken the smallest jobs, getting talked down to, and, you know, being demeaned. You're already struggling with identity going in there, coming out and struggling out with identity. Now, you have to be subject to and and you were in Georgia.

Chris King:

Right? Yep. So, we already know Georgia is historically not the the friendliest the the friendliest, you know, state to to people of color, people that look like us, you know. So, now, you're having to deal with that. What was that like?

Marcus Wilson:

Oh, it was much worse back then. Yeah. Think about there's Atlanta

Chris King:

Yeah. And there's Georgia. Yeah. Right? Right.

Chris King:

Right.

Marcus Wilson:

Atlanta and Georgia. People that probably wasn't don't really understand that. Back when I came out, I got caught in Clayton County. Lovejoy. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Come on, lovejoy? Alright. So so looking at court, the reason I took a plea, I still remember my attorney, Richard Oddway Allen. I've never I can tell you everything. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

Man, he when he said we're gonna we can go to a jury trial. Mhmm. But he said, you're gonna be convicted and you're gonna get thirty years. And my mom wanted me to. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

She said, oh, we're gonna pray about it. He said, let me tell you, you don't pray about this. Mhmm. The prayer is I'm getting you a plea.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

And this seven years you're getting, it's a bargain. You're only getting it because this is your first offense, so you're getting a bargain. He said, take the plea. You're gonna probably do a portion of the five years because you've just been in there once, you're a sharp guy. He said, do your time and move on with your life.

Marcus Wilson:

Don't take a chance in letting them take your whole life. Mhmm. Because he said if you get convicted, they're gonna max your sentence. And that's trafficking cocaine was a thirty year sentence. Wow.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Thirty year. And he said you're probably gonna do a majority of it. Wow. So, this is this is the information.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Mhmm. So, you you take the plea, you go in, you do your time. I got selected for this apprentice program because I scored a high test in there. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

That's going through diagnostics. It's a whole system in prison, right, that you gotta go through, man. You gotta still go through testing and all this stuff and it's called diagnostics for a reason. And that and mine was in Jackson, Georgia. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

So Jackson is where maximum security is.

Chris King:

Okay.

Marcus Wilson:

That's where the electric chair was. They called it Big Sparky back in the day. Right? So, it's it's this journey. And and you're remember, I don't really know my pathway.

Marcus Wilson:

Mhmm. I'm just failing through everything. As in, I'm I'm on parole. Mhmm. I'm driving.

Marcus Wilson:

You know I'm not supposed to be on any type of I'm not supposed to be drink drinking. Mhmm. Right? Because you and you definitely can't be on drugs because you gotta get Tested. Piss tested all the time.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? I get a DUI. And I'm thinking it's a no low. So, I do it a no low. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

Mhmm. This is on a Saturday night. On it was like on on Sunday I got bailed out, but on Monday I had to actually call the parole officer. Right. It's the first thing you have to do.

Marcus Wilson:

And I said, mister Johnson, I got in trouble. I gotta let you know because I don't want you to find out and right? So I'm just telling you in advance. He's like, you gotta come in. And I said, oh, man.

Marcus Wilson:

I better go back to prison. Man, you have messed up. I remember I remember it today. And I said, yeah. And he sent me there and he looked at me.

Marcus Wilson:

He said, you've been reporting on time. He said, I know you're trying. You just did something dumb. I don't wanna see you anymore with any trouble. So he lets me walk out.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Mhmm. First grace. First yeah. You get me?

Marcus Wilson:

So but you don't realize what the DUI is gonna do to you in the future. Remember I told you I had a seven year serve five sentence, two to be served on first event or probation. That means if I finish the parole and I finish the probation, my sin is completely wiped clean. My whole life changes at that point. Right.

Marcus Wilson:

My whole life would've changed. Yeah. Not for me. Yeah. Not the journey.

Marcus Wilson:

I get in trouble. So, I'm gonna give you a little bit too. So, I'll tell you how that impacted me. I get a phone call in '99, this is going into February, my mother has turned for the worst. And I'm like, turned for the worst?

Marcus Wilson:

I just saw her. She was hiding her sickness. Shut down her organs. Mhmm. She died within a couple of months.

Marcus Wilson:

So I had to literally move home, almost go back to Greensville and I was living out of Walmart with those three you remember those jogging pants, the jerseys, you used get the blue and the gray and the black to match them. They was like $6 with a pants shirt because I didn't take a lot of clair, you have a lot. Right? Yeah. So, I was living out of that as I watched my mom die every day in that hospital.

Marcus Wilson:

But at the same time, Chris, remember that DUI I told you about? Yeah. 2000 was my final year around the same time my mama was dying that my probation was coming up for termination. So I'm dealing with my mama dying Mhmm. And I get a call from mister Spencer.

Marcus Wilson:

Mhmm. That's a truthful name.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Yeah. You don't say it first. Yeah. The state.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? He's a probation officer and I said he said, I've reviewed your records and I see that you had a DUI and he gave me the date and he said, that's a violation of probation. As of now, I'm not sure we're gonna terminate your probation or put you back in prison. Mhmm. And I said, man, this don't end.

Marcus Wilson:

So, my momma's dying and I'm dealing with this guy now saying Man, I'm like, it just it never ends.

Chris King:

So the thing is, like, on this on this show, we often talk about how we deal with with with certain circumstances that come up. Right? And whether it's self induced, whether it's just things that are out of our control, how we deal with it. This was not the first time, right, you got back in trouble. Right?

Chris King:

So you're dealing with all of these different things. Right? And you really hadn't been groomed at this point to know how to successfully you're just dealing with it the way you you know how. Any way you can. Yeah.

Chris King:

And really almost trying to, you know, just make it light on yourself. Right? And so I'm looking I'm I'm looking at your journey and it's like, this is not the first because I know your journey, this is not the first time. It's not the last time, right, that you got in trouble. So you got in trouble again.

Chris King:

And what was that what was that final time like? Final time?

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. I'm in a club and I get to fight. Right? Yeah. Drinking.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. You know how it starts. Yeah. Yeah. And because I had already been in trouble.

Marcus Wilson:

Remember, once you've been in trouble, you are a trouble man. Yeah. So if you got a record, it doesn't matter about anybody else. Mhmm. Everybody else may go home, you don't.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? So me, now I got a simple assault charge. And now I go I gotta go back to it again. Yeah. But now, of I'm off of probation.

Marcus Wilson:

Mhmm. So this is a new charge, Cab County. And I'm like, man, just can't get it right. But the judge, I remember him saying one thing. He said, I don't know what your problem is.

Marcus Wilson:

I see you now working. You're doing good. You're taking care of your kids because now I got my kids. And he said, if you come in again, he said, against my better judgment, I'm gonna give you probation. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Probation. They had two counts of civil assault. Probation for both twelve months. You finish those, you're done.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? This is what the judge is telling me. Judge says, but if I see you again, I'm gonna give you ten years. It starts at ten. I said, boy.

Marcus Wilson:

My uncle was sitting behind me. I could hear him gulp. That's what I'm saying. Right? It's literally.

Marcus Wilson:

So at that point, I never went back. But the problems of life don't stop. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Because you

Chris King:

you earlier you said prison was easy compared to coming out. Absolutely. But you've also told me before that that wasn't the hardest thing that you've had to deal with. Right? So help me understand because prison I mean, that's that's your whole life is affected.

Chris King:

Right? It is. And that by all stretches of imagination, it just seems like it's just the one of the most difficult things to contend with, but there's even more. So help me understand the the hardest part of your life thus far.

Marcus Wilson:

So so that happens in that last thing happens in 02/2007. Mhmm. So I keep going. Right? Life happens.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? And me my wife and I, we came back from this was Puerto Rico, July fourth, but we got back on the seventh. So there we were in we're in Cancun. I'm sorry. And so in Cancun and we flew back in on the seventh.

Marcus Wilson:

It was late Mhmm. When we got in. So we were tired. So we went to bed that night. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

And my phone because I'm in IT, My phone's on silent. It's it's it's flashing but I can't hear it. It's just it's just lighting up. But her phone starts to buzz. And then my phone, now I'm up.

Marcus Wilson:

I'm aware and I look and say, oh, my phone. And it's Angie, is, you know, obviously my daughter's mom and she says, pick up. I said, what's the matter? Something's wrong with Kari. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

And my daughter's name is Shikaria, but it's short Kari. I said, what's wrong? She said, get to the hospital now. So we I literally throw on clothes, brush my teeth, and take off. Me and my wife, we we go to the hospital and she had had a stroke.

Marcus Wilson:

And we didn't know she had high blood pressure at that level. Extremely high blood pressure. So when I got there, I don't know what to say. I'm sitting behind a bed and I'm like, oh, This shit, this can't be happening. This cannot be happening.

Marcus Wilson:

But the toughest part is when a neurosurgeon comes in and says, we can't help her. And I'm like, what do you mean you can't help her? So now, you know, you're upset. It's dad. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

What do you do you mean? Remember provider. Mhmm. I can't help her. What do you mean?

Marcus Wilson:

She had a pontine stroke. There's nothing we can do. So they go through you go through the talk Mhmm. And they say, the best choice is to let her go. So he said, you are not prolonging her life, you are prolonging her death.

Marcus Wilson:

You know how how that feels? Yeah. So we had to make the decision to take her off, life support, and I had to sit there and hold her hand because her mother couldn't. So as they took the respirator out, I had to sit there and listen to her take a last breath. That's the worst thing I've ever been through.

Marcus Wilson:

Wow. So there's no dad. Yeah. No parent not dad. No parent should bury their kids first.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. And that's life. Right? And that's what life continues to do to you, Chris. Life life don't ever for somebody listening, it just it just keeps going.

Marcus Wilson:

You it's it's always something. Right? Whether it be self inflicted

Chris King:

Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Or life inflicted.

Chris King:

Life's gone life. Mhmm. So, man, this is this this is a real question I've never asked you. And being a former pastor, I'm called to speak to people in these situations. And sometimes we don't have the words to say.

Chris King:

Like, real talk, we don't have the words to say. How do you maintain faith when something like that happens? Because you and I, I mean, we we talk about our faith and and you still maintain faith. Man, like, I've never gone through anything like that. Like, how do you maintain faith?

Chris King:

Sometimes you don't. I'd be lying to you. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Because I was mad with God. Yeah. Right? I was saying some words. Was like Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

No, man. Okay. My mom Okay. Yeah. Prison was all me.

Marcus Wilson:

Right. Not my daughter. Yeah. That was remember, that's my lifeline. Like she don't we talking about having grand you don't have grandkids, you know, and this gonna be I'm gonna have some grandbabies running around.

Marcus Wilson:

That kills an entire bloodline.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? I mean, you lose you lose your child. How do you lose faith? But then you read a Job, and that's true. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Every morning, I would get up and read just a chapter of Job until I got through it. But then I looked back over all the situations that I've been in. And remember what he said? He said, you can't, you gotta take the good with the bad. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

You can't turn your back on God because everything don't go your way. Mhmm. And that's being honest, right? And the people around me knew I was going through that struggle. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? And I said to myself, but then you gotta have that thing comes over, that calmness, that peace. And he says, remember when you got that job out of prison? That was me. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Remember when you were in prison and I protected you from getting killed or anything? That was me. Remember when you got a chance to get this job and to get a place to stay in Earl? That was me. So when you feel that peace Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

You can move on. And it it's not easy to get there. So I'm not trying to give you no easy journey. It is really tough to sit there and say, you'll be forgiven when you lose a child.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

It is hard to sit there and keep faith because you're like, one thing you do is, did I deserve this?

Chris King:

Right. Right. I was about to ask you.

Marcus Wilson:

Did I deserve this? Did I do something with brain Yes. Yeah. You start thinking Yeah. It's my fault.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. And that's a horrible feeling. Yeah. You walking around thinking you had fought for it because you did all this dirt

Chris King:

Right.

Marcus Wilson:

And now it's come back.

Chris King:

Yeah. That's how you feel. Yeah. So, man, let me ask you this. You brought up Job.

Chris King:

So Mhmm. In that case, because you even Job Job was like, man, his friends was like, what did you do? Obviously, you've sinned, you've done something, right, to to get to to go through all of this. Do you did you do you see yourself in that in that story? Do you see, you know, identify a little bit with with Joe?

Chris King:

I I don't know. My mind would be a situation as worse as Joe Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

But it would be one of those things where you would question and say, I can get certain pieces that said, okay, you gotta take the good with the bad. Yeah. Right? You you are you gonna have faith and trust me or are you gonna only have faith and trust me in in times that you think are good. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

So I can give you, I can restore you, I can completely restore you. I can have your business flourishing and whatever the case may be, but you lost your daughter and now you hold me responsible.

Chris King:

Wow.

Marcus Wilson:

Now, I remember my wife's dad said something to me because I was mad. He's a pastor. I was mad. He's up in Detroit. And I said, God took my daughter.

Marcus Wilson:

Mhmm. You know what he said? The symptom, the situation, the high blood pressure Mhmm. Took your daughter. Different perspective.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. We think sometimes God did something. Yeah. Life is life. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Life gonna do what it's gonna do. You gonna get up in the morning, we gonna have flat tires. Mhmm. Right? Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

We may lose jobs, We may go through all these different things. Right? Because life's just gonna be life. And that's what I learned. So over at 54 years old now, I learned life's gonna be

Chris King:

life. So so you've had lost or now you lost your mother early, father father early. Mhmm. You go into prison, lose your life. Right?

Chris King:

Yep. Come out of prison, lose your daughters, lose your daughter. Mhmm. And now you have built a thriving company. Mhmm.

Chris King:

Right? And but it's not even about that. Like, people look at you and you're like, man, you're so so successful and we talk about the redemption story, but your redemption ain't even about, you know, the things and the money and everything like that because I I know we chop it up a lot and you're like, man, Chris, whatever. You know? But your redemption story is really about giving life to others

Marcus Wilson:

Yes.

Chris King:

That have lost theirs.

Marcus Wilson:

Because you go back through all those things. Right? Think of all the stuff when you go through it. Right? Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Which you gotta be doing you gotta be going through it for something. They say you somebody's what? They say your your misery Yeah. Is somebody else's ministry? Right.

Marcus Wilson:

And so you you gotta find purpose in that stuff. Right? So why did I go through all this stuff? Because remember, I would've never talked about this. Remember, we've been open, we've been talking about it, we've been talking about for a while.

Marcus Wilson:

Mhmm. Typically, would've never talked about my past. Right. Why? Because I was guarded.

Marcus Wilson:

I said, I ain't finna give anybody else an opportunity Mhmm. To be saying nothing negative because now my actions may be different. You know what I mean?

Chris King:

Right. Right.

Marcus Wilson:

You already got somebody frustrated. Right? So it's just I'm just gonna be quiet and realize that keep my past to myself, but then you have people in your life, they're ministering to you. Like a Darnell or he would say, hey, ain't about you. Ain't about you.

Marcus Wilson:

Stop trying to make this stuff about you. God allowed you to go through this stuff so you could help other people. Man. Right? God allowed you to restore you.

Marcus Wilson:

The I remember pastor said the assumption was that it's for your consumption when it comes to our things like money. Right? That's why you give. You give, give, give. It should be given to you, right?

Marcus Wilson:

And and I looked and I said, in my thing that said that time, right, give because it's already been given unto

Chris King:

you. Right.

Marcus Wilson:

And that's how I look at So I give now only because it's been given to me.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

And it ain't about money. I don't walk around talking about, let me go see you today if I can go make more money. Yeah. It's just not about that anymore. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

The chasing coming out of prison, all the things in the journey, not having a place to stay, trying to do simple things like, I wasn't chasing money, I was trying to get a stable place to stay.

Chris King:

Man, let me ask you this. Have you ever was there anybody in prison you helped?

Marcus Wilson:

In prison helped as what as like, what

Chris King:

kind of way? So Mhmm. Because as you're talking, I'm like, you're a conduit. Right? You've you've been a conduit, you know, and and now I see what you do with your life and it's like you're a conduit for others to to experience life in another way.

Chris King:

And typically, when those things happen, there there there are themes throughout the life or times throughout their lives, even in the midst of their their struggles and their and their, tragedies or whatever the challenges. So I'm wondering if there was anybody that you ministered in a particular way, uplifted in a particular way, maybe even protected in a particular way, you know, in prison to where that was already about you. Because in your life, and sometimes in our lives, we become who we have to become to survive in that moment. But there's still glimmers of who we are and who God has created us to be in those moments. And I've always seen you as a conduit, man.

Chris King:

Thank you. You know? So I'm like, that question just kinda I've never asked it. Was there anybody, man, that you could point to that you may have uplifted in prison or may have helped in prison in any particular way?

Marcus Wilson:

I'm a I'm a answer that question, but I'm I'm a first say this one thing. I remember you just jarred something. This guy, it was an inmate and we were in prison together. And he really quiet guy, big guy. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

And I'm like he comes up to me one day, he says, hey, I just wanna tell you something. I'm like, hey, you know it now. You got it. You watching everybody. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

He says, I saw you on the stage one day speaking in front of a lot of people. Then he says, I just wanted to tell you that. And he walks off. That was it. Right?

Chris King:

Shut up, man.

Marcus Wilson:

That's all he said. Right. He didn't go into detail.

Chris King:

He didn't. You got the prison prophet.

Marcus Wilson:

He didn't say he said, hey, this is what I see one day. Yeah. Right? And I've been on stages speaking in front of people. Yep.

Marcus Wilson:

That's a funny thing, right?

Chris King:

Hundreds of thousands of people.

Marcus Wilson:

Yep. Think about Microsoft, right? Yep. So, yes, in there I believe that you have, I would say a protective circle that you build in the prison system. We all need it.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. Because rape goes on, murder goes on, you gotta have it. So you band with people, you don't ask any questions, right? One fights, everybody fights. You don't you don't never snitches get stitches.

Marcus Wilson:

Keep your mouth shut. See no evil. Hear no evil. Right? Speak no evil.

Marcus Wilson:

Mhmm. That's how the system works now. It's a it's a system that's going on. Like, it's a system out here. Like, the church system or the or the government system.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Prison. It's called a prison system. It's cold in there. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

You gotta operate a certain way. So, yes, you got guys that's around you, they can't read or write. Mhmm. But they want to write a letter to their mom and I can write. Mhmm.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? So writing a simple letter for somebody next to you builds a bond. Yeah. Yeah. You think about it.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. I'm writing Yeah. A letter

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

To your mother Yeah. As you tell me what you want me to write.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

You're giving me. I'm having this intimate conversation with my mom. Mhmm. Right? Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Or with my child or with my grandmother Mhmm. Or with my dad. Those are moments. Yeah. Those those are major.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? When you move in as crews, right, there that's why you see people, you see segment, you see in the system, you see on the movies. Right? Mhmm. There's segments in there.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? You got okay. There's they're hanging out with each other. They're hanging out with each other. So it's just a process.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? And you again, this whole journey is about not knowing my journey. I never knew my journey. I never knew I was gonna build a business. I told you, now I keep putting that that whole thing on.

Marcus Wilson:

I was looking for a stable place to stay. That's how I started out. Mhmm. Because I couldn't get no place to stay, right, with a felony. And even today, apartments, you know.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. Apartments? Yeah. Don't wanna give you when you got a record and they see that, they're like, right? Uh-uh.

Marcus Wilson:

No. No. No. No. No.

Marcus Wilson:

No. No felony thing. Right? I just wanted to live a normal life. Right?

Marcus Wilson:

And that has been really hard to do because something always happens. As you say Yeah. Hell always breaks loose. Right? Man.

Marcus Wilson:

Something is gonna always it's life. And if you're trying to figure out to live a life that you think ain't nothing gonna happen, I don't know what life you're living.

Chris King:

So I'm a I'm a end it right there because you're you're talking about hell always breaking loose. Something always has always. And you've taken us through loss, incarceration, loss, but all the while, God, just just hold on to you. And I'm always listening for themes. And, man, I know you continue to rise, but I'm so excited to be on this part of the journey with you because I ain't wanna be in prison with you.

Chris King:

I'm so excited to be on this part of the journey with you, man, because I see all I see your heart. I see that it's about, man, this man is going through hell and back, like, for real. And I don't have words, like, to comfort to comfort you in those moments, but all I can say is, dog, I'm with you.

Marcus Wilson:

And I appreciate that. Because God puts people in your life like you, that's why winning is your life. Yeah. Because it's it's the seasons. He he knows exactly who to put in your life to take you.

Marcus Wilson:

Everybody will not make the whole journey with him. Yeah. He's always putting people. Right? And then you I mean, it's this the we bond right off.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Yeah. Click. It's like, oh, this brother is meant. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Right? Wasn't just no haphazard situation. Right? And and for somebody that's looking, tell them things like, I remember a poem. Remember footprints?

Chris King:

Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. I love that. Right? Mhmm. It was like when you saw one set of footprints.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah.

Chris King:

That was me carrying you.

Marcus Wilson:

I was carrying you. Mhmm. And I believe that God has carried me

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

So much of my life. And that's why you gotta keep faith.

Chris King:

Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

Because it's like, oh man, you've been through this, you've been through this, but you can't just kick God. I think y'all the pastor was real good about saying, God and he ain't no genie.

Chris King:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Marcus Wilson:

You can't rub the bottle and he just comes out whatever the case may be, right? Yeah. You gotta take everything and understand that life's gonna be life. Man. And faith, Right?

Marcus Wilson:

You gotta have faith through all that stuff. And even if you just got a tiny bit. Right? It it will get you farther. It will it will get you past hopefully most of the stuff that you ever go through.

Chris King:

Man. So Marcus, tell the people where they can find you, man. This bruh. This I'm still because I I asked you we've talked a lot. I've asked you questions that I've never ever asked you before here.

Chris King:

So I appreciate your time. Appreciate you being just the authenticity, the vulnerability, man. Tell the people where they can find you and learn more about you.

Marcus Wilson:

Well, first, I wanna say to you, you've been a blessing in my life. Man. And I hope we continue that journey and continue to be a blessing with each other because it's it's mutual. Right?

Chris King:

Yeah, man. You've been fussing at me lately.

Marcus Wilson:

Hey, Just like what's going on?

Chris King:

Don't tell me to get up

Marcus Wilson:

off my butt and just do it.

Chris King:

Stop thinking about it too long, man. Yeah. Just do it. Make it happen.

Marcus Wilson:

Yeah. So LinkedIn, Marcus l Wilson.

Chris King:

Good deal, man. Mhmm. Good deal. Man, Marcus, I love you, man. I appreciate it, man.

Chris King:

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Chris King:

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Chris King:

And I forgot what I was about to say. We're say, check us out on the When All Hell Breaks This podcast. I'm your boy, Chris King. I love you

Marcus Wilson:

all.

Chris King:

Be blessed.

Marcus Wilson:

Alright.