Wheeling Haunts

With so many people in and out of the McLain House through the years, at least a few have had to stick around in the afterlife…right? Find out in this week’s episode.

Show Notes

This week, Cassie and Alex sit down with their friend and colleague Betsy Sweeny to talk about a ghostly encounter that she recently had while a contractor was working in her East Wheeling home. This story involves a long history of interesting homeowners, an old piano, and a contractor that may or may not be a channel for the spirit world. 

We also talk to Jeanne Finstein, a local historian and president of Friends of Wheeling - West Virginia's oldest historic preservation organization!

Have comments or questions about this week's episode? Leave us a voicemail: speak-to.us/whghauntsquestions

What is Wheeling Haunts?

What happens when Wheeling’s history doesn’t die? Listen to Wheeling Haunts each Monday in October to find out!

Hosted by Alex Panas and Cassie Minder, Wheeling Haunts will take listeners on a journey into homes in Wheeling that have a lot of history…and a few ghost stories too!

Each week, Alex and Cassie will talk with local historians who will provide information about each home and the people who once lived there. They will also chat with current residents who will share bone-chilling stories that can quite be explained.

For more podcasts by Wheeling Heritage Media: https://weelunk.com/multimedia/podcasts/

Welcome to the third episode of Wheeling Haunts. I'm Alex.

And I'm Cassie.

And each week we're taking you inside a different Wheeling home with some haunting stories. This week's episode is extra special for us because it features some folks that we get to spend quite a bit of time with. Right, Cassie?

Yeah. So today we're talking about the McLain house owned by our friend, coworker, and old house lover Betsy Sweeny.

Yeah, so this is a house we're very familiar with. If you don't already follow Betsy Sweeny, you should. She purchased a house way back before the pandemic and has been lovingly restoring it ever since. And along the way, has actually quite recently, had a spooky encounter that we are so excited to share with you today.

Yeah, and especially, it's awesome, because Betsy has so much knowledge on history of houses and old houses, has been in so many old places that to talk about her own house, I think, it's really neat.

Yeah, so we're really excited to share that. We also get to talk with Jeanne Finstein, who's actually one of our board members.

Yes, she also is the president of Friends of Wheeling, which is a local organization that does several house tours around town. And so she is always out and active in the community, definitely knows a ton of history on any home in Wheeling that you probably would ask her about.

Yeah, I'm really excited for this week's episode. So let's jump into our first interview with Betsy Sweeny.

So we are here with Betsy Sweeny today to talk about her house, the McLain house in East Wheeling. Hi, Betsy.

Hi guys.

Welcome.

Awesome. So how long have you lived in the McLain house?

So I have lived in the house coming up on just about a year. I moved over the holidays, you know, 2021-2022 and I've owned the home since May of 2020.

Okay, awesome. Did you know the history before you moved in?

I did. There had been some history done on the house, you know, prior to my purchasing it, and I was, you know, loosely familiar with it. But like anything until you are intimately involved in a property or a house, you don't really pay much attention. And then once I owned it and was working there and was, you know, working there all hours of the day and night, you kind of start to wonder.

Yeah, what were some of the things that drew you to the house initially or that you came to love over time?

I'm a big dog lover. And I actually saw the character-defining feature of my home, which is this dog fireplace in the hallway. And I saw a photo of it three years before purchasing the house, before I even moved to Wheeling when, after my interview at Wheeling Heritage, I had gone back home to Virginia and was scrolling Instagram and looking at the geo tags of Downtown Wheeling, East Wheeling, East Wheeling Historic District, and there was this photo of this beautiful fireplace with dogs and kind of red tile. And I remember it so distinctly because at the time I was researching and writing about dog housing in middle Virginia, which is a whole other thing. But it stood out to me. And in my memory, I thought to myself like "Wow, this Wheeling place really feels like a place where if I moved there and I established myself there I might be able to afford and own some historic home that has something so cool in it like this." Fast forward, three years later, I'm touring the home with the Wilsons. They swing open the front door and there in front of me is that fireplace, and that felt very kind of Kismety, so I just, you know, that house, I love it because it's interesting architecturally, and I love East Wheeling.

So Betsy, do you believe in ghosts?

I absolutely believe in ghosts.

How long have you believed in ghosts? Tell us your journey to believing in the spirit world.

Well, many people, maybe not or don't know this about me, but I'm pretty "woowoo" and believe in most of those things. But I have always been quite frankly a little scared of ghosts as somebody that has loved old homes and old buildings since like, I don't know, I was three or four, like really little. I've been kind of scared of ghosts. But I think what really pushed me over the edge was when I was in college, I worked at a floral shop/cafe kind of gift shop place that was in an old Victorian home, and it was just unquestionably haunted. Just lights flicker, computers would shut off, stove wouldn't work, you'd hear things, things would move, like footsteps, creaking doors, all of the stereotypical things that you see in movies happened in this house. And if I had any doubts before, I had none after that.

Awesome. So have you had any supernatural unexplained experiences in your home?

So I haven't had much happen to me in the house prior to moving in. But in learning about the history, a weird kind of connection did come up, which is that the second owner of the home, the Horkheimers, they had an interesting connection to where I was living while I worked on the house, which is at Boury Lofts. And so Horkheimer was in kind of the wool and meat packing in different industries, and he married a woman that was from the family that was operating their business out of the warehouse that is now Boury Lofts. And so he went to work for his inlaws and was working in the warehouse and was unfortunately killed by a rail car, which you know, if you've ever been in Boury Lofts, right where the gym is, they have the rail tracks, like in the floor, kind of backlit so that people can see them. And so the owner of my home was actually killed in my other home, Boury Lofts. And I have like a weird affinity for the Horkheimers, I just, I think the wife likes what I'm doing. I think a lot of the kind of modifications that were made to the house in the early 19th century can be attributed to that family, and I don't know. Her name is Estella, and I just think that I've always kind of liked her. And so I feel connected to them in a weird way. But I don't really have anything other than that kind of funny thread. But once I moved in, I was actually afraid that it was going to feel creepy. Like the first couple of nights there, I remember thinking like, "Oh, man, are we going to be really scared?" And it wasn't, it was the total opposite. Very, very, very, like great energy, great feeling in that house from you know, the first time I slept there. And since I've lived there, I've had a couple weird little things happen in my hallway with the piano.

Tell us more.

So right around when I moved in, I had a piano in the hallway. It's still there, and I didn't really think anything of it. I don't play it, so it does a lot of collecting dust. But recently, I had a local Metal artist in the home for, you know, multiple days, one right after the other, to repair, I've got an old tin ceiling, and so he was working on that. And, you know, some people just kind of project an energy or they're just, you know, they've got a different vibe. And so this person definitely has that. And we were standing in the kitchen talking, one of the first meetings and we were kind of going over the scope of this project. And the kitchen is in the back of the house, the hallway's obviously in the front, it's the entryway. So we're standing in the back of the house, and I just heard a little "ping." And I was like, "Oh, that sounds like the piano. But maybe I'm crazy." We were kind of locked in this kind of intense conversation, so maybe I don't know what it was. And then subsequently, the next three or four times this person was in my house. Again, standing in the kitchen, we're talking about the project and how it's progressing. I would either hear a "ding" or "ding ding" like two notes, never like a song or anything crazy like that. But definitely more than "Oh, did I just imagine that?" It was like, almost to the point where I was expecting it to happen each time.

Did you talk to this person in your house about it? Like Did he hear the same things that you were hearing?

No, I wish I would have. I'm always hesitant because I don't want to freak anyone out. Or just like make them think I'm crazy. Um, so no, we didn't talk about it. But I wish I would have because I bet he heard it.

How did you make sense of this? Do you think that the spirit was trying to communicate with you? Do you think it was trying to communicate with this person? Do you think that maybe they just liked or disliked what was going on in the kitchen? How have you kind of thought through them?

I have my own kind of theory about ghosts and people and whatever and it is that some people are just way more open, friendly, I don't know, welcoming to that sort of energy. And I just think that this person is that. I have, like I said, I'm in a lot of old buildings. I have always, in any old house that I am going to spend an extended amount of time in, I talk to the house, like immediately. I don't want to see ghosts. I don't want to be scared. I don't want things moving. I don't want to be scared. And so I say like, "Hey, if there's anybody here, just please don't make yourself known. We can cohabitate, but like, don't scare me." And so I'm not surprised that I never saw anything when it was just me in the home. But I think this person kind of has a big like, welcome sign on their back. And I think that's why it happened.

Very cool.

Do you have any advice for anyone who may have a similar experience or may run into a supernatural experience they can't explain?

Yeah, I mean, I guess what I just said. If you don't want to participate, I have found that having a conversation with the space you're in and whomever may be lingering there, is really helpful. I've made it abundantly clear I don't want to be scared, and I've never been scared. I think that if I said, "Hey, everybody, come on in and show me what you got." They probably would.

Good advice. I like it.

Now, out of curiosity, have you noticed anything with your dog Marshall? I know sometimes they say that dogs can pick up on something else in the house.

So I totally believe that. And if there were ever a dog that would not have that sixth sense. It would be Marshall. This dog is not... I call him the dog that like evolution forgot. He he gets cold, he gets hot, he gets itchy, he gets scared, he doesn't have any survival instincts. So I don't think he has any sixth sense. But yeah, he just he naps all day. So if there is anything going on, he's cool with it.

So if anyone wants to keep up with what's happening at your house, spooky or otherwise, how can they find you?

It's pretty easy. My house is kind of everywhere lately. But I talk about what's going on with the house with the renovation and any creepy things that happen to me a lot on Instagram @BetsySweeny or on my website, betsysweeny.com, or any other social media you can think of.

Thank you for being on the podcast, Betsy. You didn't have much of a choice because you're our coworker, so thanks.

Always happy to participate.

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All right, so today on the podcast, we have Miss Jeanne Finstein with us here today. She is our local history guru who's going to be telling us a little bit more about the McLain house that we learned about from Betsy earlier in the episode. So Jeanne, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and your involvement with Friends of Wheeling, which is a really awesome group here in Wheeling.

Sure, Friends of Wheeling is actually the oldest historic preservation organization in the state. We were founded in 1970. And we are, I like to say, just the noisiest people in Wheeling because we like to see old houses from attic to basement. We especially like to tour a before and then later and after. So for instance, we recently toured the the former wholesale drug company that's right next door to the Wheeling Heritage building that was recently purchased and it was like going back in time to go inside. And we'll, of course, hope to have an after tour later. We also do cemetery tours about every other year and a variety of other tours when riverboats are in town. I typically take a group around town for historic group and I've also done school groups around town.

Yeah, so you are definitely well-suited for this role as our local history expert on the episode.

I have not noticed personally any ghosts during any of those tours.

Okay.

Awesome. So what do you know specifically about the McLain house?

Well, when Betsy first bought it, we went ahead and did a history of the house. We had a before tour there. And anytime we do a before tour, we do a background of the property for the owner, and we have found that probably 95% of the time the owners have no idea of the history of their own property. So that's always fun. So we did find that it was built around 1892 by a man by the name of Thomas McLain. And he was in business with his brothers, and they had a drugstore.

Do you know any of the other home owners through time, not just the folks who built it?

Yes, there were a number, through time, another one who had kind of a tragic end was a man by the name of Bernard Horkheimer. And we can talk about his demise later on. Then there were several others in sequence, a Frank Swift, who was a broker, Pliney Theris, who was a minister, Leon Reefer, who was a veterinarian, the Antenucci family, And Stephanie and Brian Wilson, who were right before Betsy.

Wow, that's a lot of owners through the years. I mean, I guess when a house is that old it's gonna go through a lot.

It's a lot of years so a lot of owners, yes.

Awesome. So when you did your house tour, did any details of the house stick out to you or any favorites?

You can tell that there was a great deal of money that went into the house originally. The woodwork is phenomenal, very tall ceilings, a lot of nice detail, and it's definitely a house that is worth rehabilitating, and so good for Betsy.

Do you know if any of the home's previous owners were musically inclined as we learned from Betsy's ghostly or unexplained experience? It's seems like there was perhaps a piano player, or maybe that's just how they choose to communicate? But do you know if there's anyone musically inclined that once lived there?

I did not find anything like that in particular. However, the original owner, the Thomas McLain, as I said, was in partnership with his brothers. Having a McClain Dental and Surgical Supply Company, which was at the corner of Market and 12th Street, about where Vagabond Chef is now. And among other things, while they had things like, you know, rolling chairs, invalid beds, air mattresses, chair commodes, surgical operating tables, artificial eyes, limbs, arms and hands. But also instruments to aid the hearing, such as, this is according to history books, mohair conversation tubes, whatever that is, London hearing horns, hard rubber audio phone fans, black metal ear trumpets, and invisible ear drums. Now, I can just envision the kind of hearing horn that you see in the Victorian pictures of ladies primarily who would be trying to hear gossip, perhaps, who would need some assistance in hearing. So perhaps that would have a relationship to music? Perhaps the the spirit is wanting some noise to be heard in the house? That could be.

Yeah.

Is there any type of musical history in East Wheeling, in the neighborhood that you know of?
Not that I know of. Not that I know of.

I wasn't sure if there was like maybe concerts held up there or just any type of neighbors that could be musically inclined?

Well, about a block away on 15th Street when my own daughter was in high school. There was a woman, Miss Peeky was her name, and she taught piano and voice. So that was a block and a half perhaps away.

Yeah, yeah, with with it being such an old neighborhood, I'm sure there were some musicians that lived in the neighborhood with, you know, all the churches in the neighborhood. Lots of organs playing. So maybe the spirits are just hanging out in East Wheeling and decided to hang out at Betsy's house.

Could be. Or it could be a sad spirit who is there because of a tragedy…

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… that occurred in their life? And let me mention two of those that I thought might be possibilities. One, as I mentioned was Bernard Horkheimer. He lived in the house from 1903-4 or so until his death in 1906. So not for very long, although his widow lived there until around 1910. He and his brother had a wool buying and grocery business that was located in what we know now as the Boury Lofts. And at the time, there was an actual railroad track siding that came right into the building. You can sort of see remnants where part of the building is slightly angled, and that's where the trains came in to load or unload the product. And at one point, he was squished between a railroad car and a wall and was killed. And so perhaps in his sadness, he is coming back to...

Yeah.

...make his presence known, but he was living in the house at the time of his death.

Yeah, that's interesting and just kind of connecting past to present. That's interesting because Betsy, before moving into the McLain house, actually lived at Boury Loft...

Yes.

...so maybe there's, maybe he feels connected to her in that way.

That could be, so his ghost followed her from there, from the warehouse back home...

Yeah.

...if you will. Then I found another one. The veterinarian Leon Reefer. He was living in the home, up until his death in 1935. But his wife had died three years earlier, two and a half years earlier, in a tragic automobile accident. And perhaps it's her ghost that's coming back? And as I dug more into her tragedy, I found that she was an immigrant from Austria. He was the son of a man who was an immigrant from Austria, so perhaps there was some connection there. But he was around 64 years old, and she was only 32 when she died. And she was in an automobile with a younger man at 12:30 in the morning when the accident occurred. According to the newspaper reports, someone drove him off the road, on a country road, and the car rolled multiple times. Of course, this was before there were seatbelts. She died, and he was hospitalized for more than a month, and initially was charged with manslaughter, although he was exonerated later. So I kind of wonder, her name was Josephine Reefer. Her husband was not well at the time. His obituary said he had been ill with tuberculosis for several years. And of course, was more than 32 years older than she was. And so, you know, kind of wonder, why was she out at 12:30...

Yeah.

...in the morning with a younger man? But...

Yeah, we can make assumptions.

...We can make assumptions, or it could have been a friend and she was returning from an event, although that never appeared in the paper. And so perhaps, in her sadness, or perhaps in her husband Leon's sadness, the piano is being played.

Very interesting. So were there any other interesting tidbits of information that you dug up when you were doing the history for this home?

Only one other thing, and that was when Thomas McLain was a young boy, he lived in South Wheeling, which, of course, was known as Ritchie town at the time. And to make money, he established a basically a penny post office where he would deliver people's mail for a penny. At the time used to have to go to the post office to get your mail or to send mail and so he kind of was a, a gopher, and would for a penny, take your mail or pick up your mail. So he was a very entrepreneur type of person, even as a young boy.

That's very cool. I mean, it's hard to tell, but it seems like with many of these homes that are so old, and there's been so many owners, it's hard to know, you know, if there is a spirit that is in fact in this home. Who could it be because there's just so many interesting tales through time?

Right? Right. And of course, this is such a fantastic house, and interesting owners over the years that could very well be someone who was visiting again.

And I think it's awesome just that we can have this much history, that it was documented, that we can go back and look and find who originally built the house, stories about them, and I think that's just awesome that we have so much history with it.

Yes. And of course, the newspapers back in the day, told you all kinds of details that they don't necessarily now. The automobile accident, for instance. The car rolled four times, and she was pinned underneath and he was pinned on top of her, you know, that sort of thing that you're not going to find in today's newspaper accounts. And poor Bernard Horkheimer was also described in great detail in his death. So I don't know it adds a little bit, I suppose. And of course, just knowing the names and the occupations of the people I think is very interesting.

Yeah, definitely gives some insight into what their day-to-day lives might have been like at the time and what their interests were. So one of my questions I have for you is, so you spend a lot of time in old houses. What's your take on ghosts, or just people that say they've had some sort of unexplained presence in their home? I know that you said that you've never seen a ghost or had any experiences like that yourself, but what's your take on that?

I personally have not had any experiences. My daughter and her family lived in a house in Tridelphia that they swear was haunted. And the prior owners swear it was haunted. And my granddaughter supposedly saw something one time, but it did not appear to be a frightening presence. Sure, I suppose it's possible, as I say, I've never experienced it myself, but there are times when I walk into a building, and I feel something, not necessarily a person, but some piece of history that's there.

All right. Great.

Well thank you so much for chatting with us and giving us the history of the McLain house.

You're welcome.

What would you like our listeners to know about Friends of Wheeling? How can they find you? How can they get involved?

Well, we are a purely volunteer organization. If people would like to join us, they can come to any of our events. Our dues are a whopping $10 a year.

Wow.

And that gets people into all of our events. We rarely have anything that costs anything, only to cover the cost of a meal or something like that. So our post office box is PO Box 889. If people would like to send a note or whatever, then we will put them on our email list. And at least once a month, we send out some sort of a newsletter announcing either what we're doing or what others are doing, or a combination.

Great. Yeah. So if you're listening, and you haven't heard of Friends of Wheeling until today, definitely check them out. We'll link everything that we have on them in our show notes so you can learn more. And if you love old homes and learning about old home history, definitely check them out and sign up to go to one of their house tours.

All right. Well, thank you. This was fun.

Thank you so much, Jeanne.

Wow, what an episode. Let's first start with the history of the McLain house. What did you think about our chat with Jeanne, Cassie?

I am so interested, one, how many owners there were. Like, that's a lot of house owners over the years, which I guess is not really a lot when you think about how long the house has been there. But the fact that there were a lot and that there were multiple tragedies to how some of these lives ended...

Yeah, I think the McLains, of course, with their history in the medical industry, I think that was interesting to think at one time, there were little eyeballs and hearing devices all over the home. And I really appreciated Jeanne's willingness to have fun with it and do that and say, "Well, maybe, you know, the ghost just wants to be heard because of the medical equipment." So I really appreciated Jeanne and her insight and the history that she was able to provide on the home.

What do you make of there being a vet clinic in the house?

Yeah, I think that there's something there, and I know that Betsy knows Marshall more than anyone, and I definitely believe that he probably isn't having any experiences. But I think that it is very possible that if there are ghost dogs running around the house that they know that Marshall is a scared boy, and they just leave him alone so he can have a peaceful life.

And I feel like that's something people don't think a lot about, is when you think of ghosts, you think of people who have passed. Well, there could be ghost animals out there, too. It doesn't always have to just be people and the spirit of the people that once lived. It could be animals too.

Yeah. And well, taking a step back from this story, I, this is funny because thinking back to Episode One, I say I'm not like super into the supernatural. But I recently went to go see a medium, and one of the spirits that presented itself was a spirit of what we believe to be one of my cats that died. So I truly believe that there are just as many pets in the afterlife as there are humans. Oh, let's talk about the Boury connection. That's one that our listeners might not have been expecting unless you were closer to the history of this home or know Betsy personally.

Yeah, it's one of those things where you question, "Is it a coincidence? Is it just something that, I don't know? What is that connection other than, like, is there more to it? I guess."

Yeah, I think you can chalk it up to small town Wheeling. But at the time when all this was happening, Wheeling wasn't quite such a small town as it is now. So I think that for there to be this person who died in this tragic accident, at the same place where Betsy was living before she moved into the McLain House, who was also living at the McLain house... I think that's a little bit uncanny, and to hear Betsy also say that of all of the previous owners of the home that she feels most connected to is Estella, I think that that could be quite likely that there's a spiritual connection.

And even taking one step further back... The fact that Betsy saw a picture of the fireplace, which has the little dogs on it...

Yeah.

...and going back to that connection. But she saw it beforehand, lived in Boury Lofts, and then ended up coming back to that house, had no idea that that's where the fireplace was... I don't know, it's just...

Yeah.

...an unexplained coincidence, like we've talked about.

Yep, I think she was meant to be in the house, and that all of the previous owners were calling her to that space. And while she hasn't had an experience recently, I think there's been a lot happening that led to what has happened so far. Couldn't let this episode pass without talking about the spooky connection, not just in this episode, but to our previous episode, on 203 South Front Street with Mary Ellen. I don't know if our listeners made this connection while you're listening through the episode, but the same metal artist that helped repair Mary Ellen's gate from Episode One was the same person that was fixing, doing some work in Betsy's house. So if it's not... I don't know what to make of that, but I think this person definitely welcomes spirits.

Yeah, kind of like what we talked about last week with Rachel is some people just have that thing about them that attracts spirits. And I think he might be one of them, definitely with how much he's experienced and seems to be connected in these stories. And maybe it's a thing that he's had a lot of supernatural things happen, and he's just like "Oh, yeah, it's cool" and keeps moving on with his life because it's a normal thing for him.

Yeah. And well, this is the perfect opportunity because Episode Five, we will be having a listener, call-in episode. And this is just a plug to anyone listening, if you've had a spooky experience in Wheeling. Whether it be in a home, or a creepy old building, or just walking down by the river, we want to hear about it. So make sure you visit the link in our show notes and leave us a message, and you might get to be featured on that special episode coming up at the end of this month. And if our listeners weren't convinced already that Betsy's house is haunted, we have breaking news to share with everyone. If you're a VIP listener, then you know that you get some special behind the scenes content every week, and for this episode, our Wheeling Heritage Media team, Dylan and Jonathan, were in Betsy's home getting some footage of her house, and they had quite the spooky afternoon. So we are bringing another special guest, Jonathan, who's typically behind the scenes making sure this podcast sounds great to tell us a little bit more about it. Tell us everything, Jonathan.

Yeah, so we went to Betsy's house to get some footage and to actually play the piano that she talks about in her story. We were there for a while, filming, and eventually I decided to sit down at the piano so Dylan could film me just playing something on that piano. And as soon as I sat down like a few seconds after I started playing, the door in the kitchen just flew open. There was this loud noise and it just sounded like someone was opening the door, and we all just kind of froze and Betsy ran into the kitchen, and yeah, it was just interesting. She said that door never typically blows open, and it wasn't a particularly windy day. And right after I started playing that piano... Yeah, it was spooky. It scared us.

Yeah, that's leads me to my theory. I think that there is, I don't know what the connection is based on what we've learned, but I think music has something to do with it. I think the piano, and I think especially knowing you, Jonathan, like you are a musician yourself. I think the ghosts, I don't know, there's something with music and the ghosts. I can't quite put my finger on it. But we'll let you be the first rate. How haunted is it?

How haunted is it?

There's definitely something going on in the house. I think between Betsy hearing these notes being played on the piano... I was skeptical at first because, when you have an old piano, it's entirely possible things are you know, shifting around, temperature changes, things can cause pianos to make a noise. She showed us exactly what the noise sounded like that she heard, and it was surprisingly, very prominent notes on the piano being played. It wasn't just... it was more than just things shifting around. Once we sat down and had an experience while we were there, I can definitely see why she feels a presence there in the house. So I'm going to say I'm gonna say 6, because things have happened. There is some kind of presence there. I think Betsy keeps it at a 6. I think it could be more, but she does a good job. She talks to the spirits, let's them know she doesn't want to be bothered, and I think yeah, she really only sees something when someone else is in the house and things are happening.

We love the boundary setting.

Yeah. I don't know, I think I'm gonna rate this one a 7. A little higher, just because we heard the stories, we have the connection with Jeff, and now not only has Betsy heard this, but the guys were there that had an experience too. So, and it kind of makes me question, because everything's centered around this piano and Betsy wasn't the original owner of the piano, could spirits travel with the objects? So when she acquired this piano, did a spirit come with it and that's why they're so connected?

Yeah, perhaps. Yeah, we were thinking just about the house, but the object itself... Yeah, who knows what the history of that is?

Yeah.

That's for another podcast.

So Alex, what do you rate it?

I would rate it... I think I'm gonna go with you, Cassie, I'm gonna rate it a 7. I think that there's something happening there. I think the ghosts are good at maintaining healthy boundaries so that it's not too scary. So some respectful ghosts in that house.

And that is our show. Tune in next week for more chilling tales of Wheeling's past. Thanks for listening and remember to...

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