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Welcome to Sunday, Sunday,
Sunday Night CrossFit Talk.
I really need to label those buttons
better so that I know which ones to
hit when.
I was already starting to jam to your
lunch one.
Yeah,
I've got to finish the one for tonight.
It's just not where I want it yet,
but we'll have it soon.
And I'll make a new opening and all
that kind of stuff, but...
I'm like in that spot where I have
like a thousand things on my to-do list.
And finally, like late last week,
I'm like,
I just have to pick one and check
it off.
And then another one and check it off.
Because looking at the mass of it is
just too much right now.
Yeah.
After I got my heart fixed,
I'm just like,
I want to get everything done.
You know, like, I feel good.
I want to just go, go, go,
do everything.
And so the list just got really big.
And now I'm like in the middle of
it all.
Makes sense.
Anyway,
Fergie coming in early with the question
of the week.
For me,
if you could cover any training camp
before the games,
who would it be and why the Chicago
Bears?
That's a no-brainer.
The Bears are my love.
They are my favorite sports team.
I love them more than CrossFit,
and that's the only thing I love more
than CrossFit.
But I am so amped for this season.
In fact, a little tidbit.
One of our listeners reached out to me
late last week and offered me
front row tickets in lambeau field to
watch the bears packers game wow i have
to pay for them but at least he's
offering me access wow so julie and i
took him up on the offer yeah and
we are planning a long weekend in
apparently green bay wisconsin damn that's
awesome dude i i hope because i will
be in blue and orange
I hope that I am treated respectfully when
I get there.
So, yeah, that happened end of last week.
And I asked Julie if she thought it
was something we should do.
And she was like,
most definitely we're doing that.
That's really cool.
That's awesome.
So we're in the end zone front row
where everybody does like the Lambo leaps.
Mm hmm.
So it's going to be wild.
I am so pumped.
That'll be a neat experience.
And here's the guy.
Aww.
So thank you very much, Mackie.
Eric Mackie, I am so, so pumped.
That's all I've been able to think about
for the last two days.
San Jose countdown, forty-seven days.
That's crazy.
It is.
It is wild.
Avera says, Carolyn,
you in for online semifinals?
You still got it, girl.
You can do Masters for the next fifty
years.
We're going to get into all that in
a second.
So that's the tease for the night.
But the one thing I want to ask
Carolyn is,
I saw it pop up on Instagram,
a new program called Plyo by Prevo.
Coming this fall.
Yeah.
basically every time I go to comps,
cause I've,
I've done so much plow my whole life.
And, uh,
like almost every comp I get asked, like,
how do I incorporate my plyo with my
program?
Or do I have drills?
Or I get asked if I would train
teams and stuff, or just drills for plyos.
And, uh, so in the fall, in October,
that's my launching date I'm shooting for.
Um, so I have like my,
I guess my company name is like the
complete athlete company.
And then a program.
And then ideally over time,
I might have different programs like my
GPP program and stuff,
but this one would be like a pile
by Prevo of like a,
a supplemental training that people can
add to the already regular training
CrossFit stuff to make them a little bit
more athletic.
Cause I feel like there's a big hole
in the CrossFit space,
especially for athletic type training
within the,
what they're already doing and not,
not like super time consuming,
but like things that they can just like
add on.
So that's what I'm working on.
I just have to figure out how I
want to like,
like the app and stuff that I'd want
to do it and do a lot of
filming content and stuff this summer.
That's why I want to give myself till
October.
Cause I get the summer to be off
and really, um,
do a lot of filming and everything like
that.
So, yeah.
So I love the name.
Mm hmm.
Plyo by Prevo is a great name.
The other thing is,
not only does it make you more athletic,
but I saw some research,
and it's probably been ten,
fifteen years ago now,
where they were adopting that in the NFL
because it helps injury prevention.
Just by making your body more adept at
quick cutting and all of that stuff.
Yeah.
I mean,
a lot of the injuries happen in like
unilateral type positions,
like single leg cutting and stuff.
And a lot of the training that people
are doing or it's bilateral only.
So like learning to absorb force,
like on a single leg and then producing
it and changing direction,
I think is really important to get like
more healthy body and less injured.
So, like,
I've always trained a lot single leg stuff
my whole life.
I think it just translates very well to
then getting power with two feet.
Vicky says because she's not busy enough
already.
Yeah,
she was bored for one second and thought,
well, why don't I do this?
Fergie says TB twelve type training,
except for no avocado ice cream.
Uh,
Tessa got her first body weight pull up
today.
Don't judge me.
I've been an athlete my entire life and
just have never been able to do.
And I strung four of them together.
Wow.
That is awesome.
I remember when I got my first one
and I remember when I lost them all
and now I got to get them back.
Uh, Ken Walters,
I've seen a lot of NHL guys and
D one hockey guys train playo and CP
is up there with the best of them
and better than most super impressive.
There you go.
There's your,
there's your endorsement for the cover of
the video.
Um, so on another note, Jamie,
I saw you at a concert last night.
I did.
Yeah.
Who'd you see?
Aaron and I went to grand Rapids.
They have a new amphitheater.
It was Parker McCollum and Max McNone.
And someone else was a country.
I don't know.
It was country.
Yes.
Yes.
So I've roomed with Jamie at different
events.
She plays country and sings country the
entire time we're in the room.
Just, just so you all are aware.
She has a very nice singing voice too.
It's rough.
Whoops.
Daniel Arnson,
the amphitheater is completely needed.
Unneeded.
Unneeded.
I think it's going to put,
we have Pine Knob out here and like
towards Detroit area.
And I think it's going to like put
that darn year out of business.
It was, I really liked it.
It's way nicer.
I mean, there's just,
The other one is there's nothing around.
It's a pain to get to.
Like,
we were able to Uber in and Uber
out.
I mean,
you have the hotels there if you want
to just stay downtown.
I stay at my sister's place.
I don't know.
I thought it was really nice.
I liked it.
I think they'll be able to get some
pretty good acts in there.
They put up a soccer stadium, too,
which had us talking about that last
night.
We were like,
maybe the games should come here with that
soccer stadium that they put up.
It'd be like the perfect.
Uh, Avera says, Jamie,
do you live in Michigan?
Sorry.
I'm sure most know, but I do not.
I do live in Michigan.
Yes.
Lansing area right around the Capitol.
Kinda.
Uh, Ed says, Oh snap.
Is that Jamie?
The herd athlete with the fancy belts.
Carolyn's of a herd athlete too.
Yeah.
She has fancy belts too.
So yeah.
Sweet.
Go, go herd.
Sure.
Uh,
pine knob is like four hours from grand
Rapids.
So I think pine knob will be just
fine.
Yeah, it's, I mean, it is a different,
a little bit different area.
I just, I think,
I think people will come over to grand
Rapids more often.
I don't,
I don't think I'll go back to my
knob personally.
I'll make sure I seek out the grand
Rapids concerts.
Speaking of stadiums being built.
Did you see that the bears aren't getting
one in Illinois?
Yeah.
So my beloved bears,
maybe about a half an hour closer to
me in Indiana.
But I have a wild story for you
guys,
and then we'll get into the CrossFit
stuff.
So we went to see friends yesterday to
celebrate birthdays and different things.
And one of my friends is a coworker
of mine.
And two people we work with,
got wrapped up in the Kash Patel raids
on the different Medicaid frauds.
Two of my coworkers were busted for
creating false hospitals and saying that
they were giving behavioral health
services to youth.
And when the youth were asked,
they didn't even know of the hospital or
the services or anything like that to the
tune of thirty million dollars in Medicaid
fraud.
What?
Yeah.
I was shocked.
Two people I work with busted.
Oh, my gosh.
They had like recently had like a bunch
of nice things.
so they so they um they retired a
couple years ago so they're former
co-workers but um but i worked with the
one in particular for probably ten years
wow and like closely and i would have
never ever ever guessed that what the heck
it was crazy they go to jail
Well, right now it's all alleged.
Okay.
But they did seize fourteen cars from the
two of them,
including like a Bentley and they were all
like like six Mercedes,
a Bentley and a couple other things.
It was nuts.
It's always the least one you expect.
Exactly.
Like it just was not someone I expected
it from.
Andrew Sten saw a cool video on Alex
Van Halen and the Hot for Teacher drum
intro on the Drumeo YouTube channel.
I've seen it there.
It's in my queue.
Still catching up on all the CrossFit
stuff from this week,
but it is definitely in my queue,
Andrew Sten.
Avery, you know,
way more than two people who are criminal
in the healthcare business.
You just don't know who they are yet.
Well, they're not in the, well,
what I do for a living is not
healthcare.
I find people jobs for the state of
Ohio.
So what they got caught doing was nothing
to what we do every day at the
job.
It's like a side job that they had.
Yeah,
if you want to call it a job
or whatever it was.
Yeah.
And AI says you got to secure that
retirement money somehow, right?
Yeah.
Well,
and I guess it took a while because
when you're talking behavioral health,
there's no product being produced or lack
of,
so it's harder to prove that it didn't
happen.
um so yeah um yeah ken it's not
just minnesota yeah all right just crazy i
just i wanted to share that because it
was it just totally caught me off guard
yesterday and you you see it on the
news and you just don't think it's going
to hit that close to home
So the one thing I wanted to jump
into, because when we went live last week,
Carolyn,
you were actually just hitting the floor
for your last event.
And so people in the chat were rooting
you on while they were listening to us
and you ended up winning that event.
But I wanted to get your overall
perspective on how NorCal went.
I was at Syndicate, you were at NorCal.
I wanted to ask you just some questions
about it.
And the first thing is,
all I hear about it is how awesome
the atmosphere is.
What is your perspective on that?
Yeah, I mean,
there's not many competitions like that
around anymore.
Like it's thousands of tents or tents,
thousands of people outside a bunch of
tents.
Like between the events,
you just go and sit down under a
tent and you're just chatting with people.
You meet so many different, you know,
communities and events.
athletes and gym owners and all of that
like you're just so much closer to people
than in a regular competition where you're
kind of in the back warming up you
compete you kind of stay in the back
and you don't really talk to people like
other than your team and the athletes that
you compete against like this is nothing
like that um
So yeah, just very unique.
This is like my fourth year doing it.
I love it every time.
Yeah,
I love the community part of it and
just a different outside vibe of it.
It's cool.
Jamie asked me this last week.
She asked me if I was recognized more
this year with the show and everything.
Does anybody talk to you about this show
or do they just talk to you about
being an athlete?
They don't even talk to me about anything.
Half the time they don't even know who
I am.
That's not true.
That is true.
I barely get recognized.
You've been talked about so much this week
on all the shows.
I know,
but I barely get recognized anytime I go
to like any affiliate or gyms or
competitions.
No,
I wouldn't say that they talk much about
Clydesdale or like they might just ask me
about the master's qualification or stuff
like that.
If I'm what I'm doing competing this
weekend or one of my goals,
but other than that,
I'd say kind of fly under the radar
a lot.
Hmm.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
People come up to me and are like,
love the show.
That's surprising that they don't.
So beyond that,
Becca said that she watches the show, uh,
and I was sitting with her at one
point, um, under the tent.
And she said that,
I don't know if she watches the lunch
show or our show.
I took it as all of it.
Yeah.
She said that she liked this.
So, yeah,
I think it's more of the Sunday.
I like,
we have way more viewers on the Sunday
show than the lunch show, but, um,
And I've been friends with Becca for a
long time.
When I was with Morning Chalk Cup,
I used her as an analyst for the
rundown.
And so Becca is just, I mean,
I consider still part of the family.
She's just busy going to her like,
nineteen straight CrossFit games.
Yeah.
Just nuts.
Nineteen.
That's crazy.
And her husband actually helped a lot,
I think, in some of the,
I don't know if it was programming or
logistics of the event.
Like it was his idea, I believe.
Like the TV being there during the bike
event for the spectators to see like the
different boats or bikes, I don't know,
of where people were.
Yeah,
so they were involved to some extent.
Judy Reed,
I snagged a pic with Carolyn at Vendor
Village last year.
Claire Bay is saying she loves seeing you.
She was doing the floor announcing.
Yeah, that's crazy.
All day in the sun.
Didn't even get a sunburn or anything.
I was watching her show the other day.
I'm like,
how are you not burned from just being
outside the whole day?
She had a bunch of sunscreen, but still.
I would be toasty.
I don't know how someone's voice holds up
that long during a day.
Me either.
That too.
That's the good one.
Like I do ninety minutes and I'm about
toast.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Does anybody throw you off by asking you
a math lesson plan?
No.
Carolyn, when are you done with school?
June twenty six is officially the last
day.
There you go.
CrossFit says Claire uses FPS SPF one
hundred.
Something like that.
Grant said when he called her up to
the podium,
she competed at the CrossFit game seven
hundred and fifty times.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's just Grant.
Grant was great as well.
He was doing when he did the
The briefing, like his energy is crazy.
Grant's like the Ninja Warrior guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, that one.
Yeah, he was funny in the briefing,
like when he was doing the workout demo.
And yeah, he was great.
Good addition with Claire.
My biggest regret,
just back to Becca for a second,
is Jamie and I were in Pasadena.
We went to do a drop-in at a
gym,
and we were only like a half a
mile from Becca's gym.
Why we didn't pick her gym to go
to for the drop-in was just dumb.
Yeah.
I mean, it was a great gym,
and we had a good time,
and it was a good workout,
but you only get so many shots to
be in California to go to,
what is it?
It's got the tree yard.
There's training yard.
Yeah.
training yard.
Yep.
Yeah, we messed up there.
He's like throwing fireworks on the middle
of the floor.
Crazy energy.
And yes, it's the island ninja.
Yeah, I was I was close.
So how was the competition itself?
what's like for the for the events like
or personal like just for the events like
uh in terms of um like the reputation
it had from you know the prior years
it didn't have any mess ups except for
maybe one on the, on, um,
I don't know if it was the first
or second heat of the elite men on
the bike.
There was a false start just so that,
so then they redid that.
But other than that,
I felt like all of the events were
like fair.
Like you weren't starting running to your
judge with a scorecard or anything like
that.
I thought they really cleaned up a lot
of the things from the prior years that
they, you know,
they took on the feedback and they, um,
program like a um safe not not safe
in terms of like it's not uh like
difficult but like just like a not easy
one that wasn't going to get them in
trouble like yeah yeah yeah like fear of
having to eliminate an event because it it
just didn't come off as planned yeah like
you can see in the past a little
bit more um things that have left field
out of nor count we didn't quite
get like too much of that,
but they still stay true to themselves.
They released the workouts on the Thursday
at the briefing.
We found them out there.
Um,
the briefing actually went shorter than I
thought I was expecting it to be super
long.
Cause in the past,
the workouts would get released the day of
the briefing,
but sometimes it'd get released like
around lunchtime.
So people got to read the standards and
everything on competition corner prior to
like arriving to the briefing.
So,
but we found them out at the briefing.
There wasn't any stupid questions really.
I think because of the movement.
No, it wasn't bad.
Was there a no stupid questions?
I don't think he asked a single question.
I was shocked.
Maybe that's why he did so bad.
He didn't do that bad.
It's a close start,
but then he picked it up at the
end.
But yeah, no,
I thought the event ran smoothly.
For the most part, everything's on time.
Obviously, there's, you know,
There can be some no reps or what
sometimes like certain lane
inconsistencies.
But for the most part,
I think everyone was pretty happy.
All the divisions got to do a bunch
of workouts.
And yeah,
for my own performance up and down,
I knew there was two workouts that were
going to be bad for me,
which was the first one with the double
unders running and rowing.
And then the eighteen K bike is not
a good one for me.
there so it was more about damage control
on those two um i felt like i
overheated a lot especially on day one
because like that cal sue one should have
been much better for me but i think
i sat down a little bit like pat
velner um a couple times but it was
on my riser instead of at the bar
um
Yeah,
just overheating a little bit that whole
day.
But, you know,
I arrive basically in this weather and it
hasn't been super hot.
And I don't I didn't train outside a
single time leading up to it.
So, yeah, a little bit up and down.
Happy to end on a high note with
the event win.
But, yeah,
a few workouts I thought were going to
be better and they weren't.
So that happens sometimes.
A personal comment, Avera, says, Carolyn,
I played professional hockey.
Keep details to myself online for
anonymity,
but I will tell you I was drafted
out of the OHL not far from your
current location.
Cool.
Awesome.
Pat needs to ask those questions.
He's literally a broken – he's broken a
bike, fallen off a net,
and rolled a plate across the floor.
He's trying to plan ahead.
Not a bad point, CrossFit.
And I didn't mean he did horrible.
He just didn't qualify is, I guess,
what I meant.
And for him, that's not optimal, right?
He's there to qualify.
He's also one that can do well online.
Traditionally has done very well online,
can put it together there.
So I still think that he has a
shot.
So do you think NorCal did enough to
show and prove that they deserve three
spots instead of two?
Yeah,
I think that there's nothing wrong with
giving them three spots.
I think you could easily.
And I think if you give three spots,
the depth of field would be higher too.
But guys, I don't see why not.
Yeah.
So my last question for you is,
and it's just part of our long-standing
debate.
So if NorCal is so great,
what is wrong with us going to a
regional approach in outdoor stadiums?
Say that again?
My contention has been...
Like the rain stuff that I said?
To going to a regional approach in outdoor
stadiums.
because that area like rarely rains and
that's not the case for every location
that you would have in the world and
every weather climate in the world like
some places right now are like in winter
like it's not it's not the same that
way um i just think it saves a
lot of events that can change and all
of a sudden the whole programming is
completely different
Like there's no,
there's no polling because you can't be on
a bar and you know, you can't like,
I think the outdoor event can be,
it's a couple that you can have and
it's gotta be at the right time of
the year and in certain locations.
To have it as across like ten regions,
I think would be impossible.
You're just looking at a bunch of events
getting changed or canceled.
And I think when you're trying to get
people to the next level,
I don't think it's worth it.
I really don't think it's worth it.
I agree.
I just... We have to find a...
And we're going to talk about this later
in the show.
So I'll just drop it for here.
But I would never hold a regional event
in Miami either, CrossFit.
Yeah.
Like that, it just...
It rains every single day in Florida,
like every day.
That's just a stupid place to put an
event.
So anyway, so that's NorCal.
You had a good time.
It sounds like Lex did a community event.
So she did the elite pairs.
Actually, she filled in for Val, the girl.
So Val has been dealing with an injury
for...
I think that's why she didn't do the
season.
Her planner...
Yeah.
Has been, you know,
hurting and she'd started the event at the
first two events and then it was just
too much.
She was,
she wasn't sure whether she was going to
be able to do the whole weekend,
tested it out, had to withdraw.
And then her partner,
Molly didn't have a someone.
So yeah.
Lex was already there.
Lex is ready to do any workout at
any point.
You don't have to tell her twice if
she's got her gear here.
Um, so Lex filled in and, um,
because she was replacing every event,
they were taking a dead last,
no matter how they did.
What?
No,
just to not affect the leaderboard because
you're filling, you're going into,
you changed partners, right?
So she did four of the six events.
They would have placed second.
They would have placed second, honestly,
if Val had done the whole weekend and
she was healthy.
Or if Lex started the whole weekend,
they would have finished behind Jesse
Smith and Lauren Stalwood.
It was literally,
they beat them in the lifting event.
Like they, as in Lex and Molly,
because Lex just...
muscle clean that weight and just put it
above um but yeah so they were just
taking dead last on everything no matter
if they were finishing second like on
every event so val started the competition
and okay that makes sense because they
paid because they paid the registration
fee like that other girl molly still
wanted to compete so she said we'll take
dead last it's fine i just want to
do the workouts
So Lex filled in.
Lex wanted to do the workouts.
And it's funny because the four workouts
that she came in on,
like those are great workouts for Lex.
So yeah, so they had a fun time.
And yeah, so they did the elite pairs.
that's cool and then it that just makes
for a fun weekend yeah because like in
between my events i got to watch you
know them compete um i'd go watch becca
compete as well and just just different
people in the community that i that i
know so it's fun does does that help
get your mind off of things when you
get to go do that as opposed to
like just being by yourself in the back
Um, yes and no.
I look at the flow of the events.
I can look at maybe things I'm seeing
if there's patterns of strategies that I
like or, um,
things are getting no rep more than
normal.
You know, you're,
you're just kind of looking at the event.
Um, personally,
I'd like to be in an AC room
in a hotel with no sun, um,
During a long day outside,
but being at the venue and just being
stuck there,
I'd rather watch here and there than come
back to my tent and cool off.
So that was fun.
Thank you, Jeremy.
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um you said something this isn't on our
rundown so i'm going off script but um
there's been some discussion about matt
torres saying that his athletes should
train in air conditioning because when
you're at events in an arena that's the
climate you're in but
Conversely, if you have to go outside,
are you then not prepared for those
elements if there's an outdoor aspect to
the event?
Yeah, you have to train with heat.
Like there's a different element with the
sun being down on you.
Yeah, the heat is a different beast.
Like I did zero training outside.
None.
I think, yeah.
So there's,
it's a huge element of competing outdoors.
It can dehydrate you faster,
just drain your energy faster.
So being able to train through that is,
or like compete at that is very important
as well as indoors when given.
But like,
if you know you're going to compete
outside, you should train outside.
Now the games is going to be indoor
with AC with a few events outside.
So they can't just be training AC because
they got to go outside as well,
knowing that there's runs and whatever
implement they're going to be doing
outside.
I've never been in a CrossFit gym with
AC.
I mean, yeah, me neither.
Mine has AC.
I mean, I've never.
Mine has windows.
Mine had big doors with a big-ass fan.
Yeah, yeah.
But no AC.
Yeah, no AC.
We have the heat in the wintertime.
That's about it.
But, yeah, no AC.
Scott,
would pairs be more popular than teams at
the games?
Personally,
I think pairs would be a lot more
interesting.
Be less confusing, that's for sure.
i don't know but it adds more people
because now all of a sudden you have
let's say i don't know if you want
to have like same sex pairs or right
guy girl but it's more divisions yeah but
it i think it's less connected to the
affiliates agree so i think teams needs to
be reworked completely and i'm sure not
many people i think it should be
that should take an element of grid where
you can,
you have a team of six who you
can put in different events and the,
and then four people actually compete in
each event, but you have six on your,
so two on the bench and the next
event comes and you pick the four you
want in that event and so on through
the weekend,
kind of like the water Palooza,
SoCal thing ish.
Um,
Because now you have six people on the
team, six from the same affiliate.
Now you have a whole lot more people
coming to your event.
And if there's an injury,
they're not just out.
Yeah.
I fully agree with that.
Pick your strengths and weaknesses,
pick people on the team that can be
home run hitters and there might be out
there for one event and that's it.
And maybe you'll have some Olympic lifters
all of a sudden part of teams,
but whatever.
Yeah.
And,
Like maybe there's a minimum of two events
that they have to do.
I don't know.
Something like that.
Like who knows?
Yeah.
And don't we want to see the home
runs?
Isn't that more exciting?
Yeah.
That that's,
that's been my thought process for over a
year now.
And then I think it's,
it's more fun to watch.
Yes, I agree.
I was already typing this actually team
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That's exactly what I was going to say.
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Actually a team instead of the four
fittest people, that would be better.
Yes.
Yes.
You're calling it teams.
Now you're giving it a team aspect with
a team manager who gets to decide like
who his starters are for each event.
Like Tola doing heavy lifts.
Yes.
Everybody wants to see Tola do the heavy
lifts.
Then you have Jamie doing your burpee toes
to bar workout.
And she doesn't have to lift the heavy
bar.
Yay.
Right.
Deadlift workout comes out.
Carolyn is definitely in the starting
lineup.
Got it.
Put me in coach.
Uh,
that used to be how they did it.
Regionals each day,
two to six would have their own event
and then another with the whole team.
I don't remember that,
and I was at regionals, but okay.
George, don't call it grid.
We're just calling substitutions like
grid.
I don't want the events like grid.
Yeah, not mid-workout substitutions.
Right.
Event two comes up.
You pick your four.
Those are the four that do it.
No substitutions during just strategy on
who starts that event.
Grid is its own thing.
And I actually enjoy watching it sometimes
just because it's over and done in an
hour.
Yeah.
So anywhere.
No hot changes over the boards.
Hockey style.
Line change.
So, okay.
All right.
So this weekend coming up is the online
semifinals and
for elites,
there are a whole lot of people who
have been to the games who do not
have their ticket yet.
My brief rant on this is this is
the most drama we have in the whole
season and we don't get to see it.
Yep.
I mean,
the videos will be online for you to
see, but not,
but you don't get to see it as
a competition.
Yeah.
You have to piece it together.
And so I'm going to share our notes
just so you can see.
What would be cool?
What would be cool for CrossFit to do
is,
you know how there's always like a one
hour window of when like the scores are
done and then like an hour later,
the leaderboard gets showed.
If like CrossFit somehow did a show like
Rogue did a few years ago and like
the online semifinals of twenty twenty one
where it's like event one,
they did a show.
It's like top
four or six athletes all like on event
one and and then release those like as
a workout like on youtube and then event
two top whatever scores that they got an
hour before they just post those videos
with just like quick scores i don't know
if that's even possible but that would be
cool like to do i'm sure those athletes
would get ripped for no reps and stuff
and but um
to make it some sort of competition even
if it's like the top two scores or
uh jeremy what would it take for these
athletes to go live no i think nobody's
gonna go live it too much is on
the line uh avarice says okay darn it
scott i've been patient i want to know
what carolyn is doing are you competing
this weekend carolyn
Yeah, I'll look at the workouts on Monday.
If there's a bunch of them that are
bad, I won't waste my time.
But the idea is that I would be
doing them.
But like I said,
if it's like four hundred double owners on
the spot, I don't know.
Running outside.
I don't think we'll do that.
I don't know.
A bunch of max lifts.
That's upper body.
I won't waste my time or money.
I'll continue training for the Masters,
but the goal is to do the online
signings this week.
John George, with all the sarcasm,
can't wait to sit around and wait for
the leaderboard.
It's so nerve-wracking to see it.
Did you already sign up for you to
accept your invite for the Masters games,
didn't you?
Yeah, that five hundred American.
Yeah.
Must be seven hundred and like eleven
dollars Canadian.
That was expensive.
So expensive.
If someone says deadlifts three times,
she's in.
If there's three deadlifts,
there's a bunch of hinging workouts.
I am all in.
I am all in.
Again, there's workouts that,
and I do well online, like in twenty,
twenty one,
I won like the online semifinals there.
I do, I do on the open this,
these are different style of workouts of
course.
Um,
but I can hide a couple of my
holes sometimes online that get exposed in
person.
So with the right workouts, who knows?
Who knows?
But that's the case for a lot of
people.
All right,
I'm going to stop sharing for a second
because people are talking.
And now I've got to talk back.
So Barry McOchner, wow, that is expensive.
Yes,
that is something that completely pisses
me off.
CrossFit is not trying to be creative
about how to earn money in other ways
other than selling tickets.
And so the people that pay are your
attraction.
The people that qualified for the games
are the ones paying the price.
That entry fee has gone up the last
three years.
Yes.
Exponentially.
For getting less.
Yeah.
And all it is is CrossFit trying to
recoup their money in a way that's easy
for them instead of thinking outside the
box and trying to be more creative with
revenue streams.
The one thing that is like,
I hate the way this season is structured,
but what you've seen is so many creative
ways of saving and getting new types of
revenue streams at these in-person
semifinals.
Like now you have the guerrilla broadcasts
that cost way less than what we were
doing before.
You have different ways of having
sponsorships added to the event to get
more bang for your buck, right?
All those things.
CrossFit isn't trying any of that.
None of it.
All they're doing is passing on the cost
to the attraction, the athletes,
and the people who want to come watch
them with eight hundred dollar tickets.
I know, I was looking at how much,
like, because, like, our competition ends,
what, Thursday?
Like,
we get a free in on the Friday
for all the day at the Coliseum or
whatever, the SAP Center.
But, like,
I was looking at tickets for the Saturday
and Sunday, and I was like, oh,
my goodness.
Like, this is just getting so expensive.
Like,
because I want to watch the elites compete
if I'm not there, right?
Like, I love watching CrossFit,
and I'm looking at the price,
and I'm like –
Man, it's expensive.
Plus the hotel, staying a few days longer.
You're looking, you're like,
I ain't doing any shopping if I'm staying.
Like it's just, it's too expensive.
A thirty men,
thirty women in HQ can't give the athletes
a free entry fee.
Nope.
And that's by going away from the
festival.
That's what happened.
Yes.
When we had a festival,
an outdoor portion,
they did ninety dollar tickets for the
weekend.
They did campgrounds.
They let the athletes who qualified have a
free pass to the festival side of the
games.
So you could be a part of it.
Maybe you couldn't get inside the arena,
but you could be a part of it
in other ways.
Now it's all indoors.
It's all limited.
Nobody can
It's so frustrating.
I remember the one year when I got
cut at the games.
I was like in... I'd be pissed.
...and they just take your credential and
then you have to buy a ticket to
go watch the rest of the weekend.
And I'm an elite competitor that whole
weekend and I got cut.
And it's like me, I don't know,
Sam Briggs, a few other people.
We just like took it like a piece
picture and like, we're just,
here's our credential and go buy a ticket
to go watch the rest of your competitors
compete.
I was like, man, that sucks.
Thankfully I had a ticket for me from,
you know,
an extra ticket from the members that
across the Coliseum.
But yeah,
like even the individuals had to pay their
own ticket.
If you got eliminated, like that's crazy.
As a group,
can we create a way to support,
sponsor Carolyn and Jamie for their games
cost?
What about some CM t-shirts?
I was going to do super chats to
support both of them to the games.
I just was going to wait until we
knew where Carolyn was going to be and
all of that after next weekend.
But we'll do some super chats and all
that money will go to the two of
them to support them to the games.
And maybe we'll come up with some other
things.
There better not be cuts for five hundred
dollars.
Yeah,
it costing like I think it's like nine
hundred dollars if you want to go for
the whole week.
If you want to go watch Masters.
Watch teens and adaptive and go watch
elites.
It's like nine hundred dollars.
Maybe a little more than that.
Went to Madison six times,
so maybe only paid for Coliseum twice.
The festival was awesome.
Yeah, it was so good.
That whole location was so perfect.
They need to go back to that location
or find another one similar to that where
they can set up the festival.
Yeah, and the big TVs.
Tessa's changing her screen name to
Jamie's Pipes.
How much does YouTube suck off the top?
Judy was right.
Venmo might be better.
So, John,
what happens is I foot the YouTube price
and I will pay that out.
So whatever is donated,
the girls will get.
Nine hundred dollars for a week of
entertainment is pretty good price.
Is it?
but again, that's one person.
Think about writing your whole family.
Like,
does your whole family want to pay that
kids, brothers, sisters, or, you know,
they don't, I'm sorry, but they don't.
It's, it's pretty expensive.
Like I'm a competitor and I love every
single thing about CrossFit and like,
I'll pay it if I have to,
but that's cause like, I freaking love it.
Um,
People that just want to see their dad
compete or their mom compete and the whole
family.
That's expensive.
Mark, I don't believe so.
I don't see anything like that on my
end.
Did you?
Okay.
So done with my rant on the cost
of everything.
Let's look at,
and we're going to get into like the
re the semifinal format at the end of
the show, if we have time left,
but let's look at the lineup for next
weekend.
Stacked.
Do you think the woman's field is more
stacked or the men's?
Yes.
I think both sides,
it's going to be hard to call.
I think the women's is more stacked.
I do.
But I don't think it matters because with
the seven spots,
there are way more than seven on both
sides who have the talent to make it.
Do you think we get an athlete like
last year, like Syria, that just...
She didn't come out of nowhere because I'm
sure if you had followed her journey from
where she lives,
people would have maybe foreseen that.
Did anybody have Rachel Noel on their
bingo card?
Because I didn't.
I did not.
She was so impressive.
Oh my goodness.
That was crazy.
Four event wins out of seven.
Four event wins.
And event wins that I thought were
shoe-ins for Gazan.
Things that I would pick Gazan out of
anyone in the world.
And I was like,
wow, she's getting beat.
It's crazy.
She was so impressive.
Are we going men first?
Pretty sure Madison wanted VF back,
but the Coliseum there is too old and
out of date.
What's VF?
That was supposed to be CF.
Cross it back.
So I did,
I have talked to Heather Lawrence,
like because of how old that Coliseum was,
the setup was a week where when we
went to Fort Worth, they just,
it was plug and play.
Yeah.
So there are factors into this that we
as fans don't know all the details on.
But yeah.
All right, let's go to the men.
People said how much do the tickets to
the Super Bowl cost?
That's not even relevant to this
conversation.
The Super Bowl gets the best ratings of
the TV season over everything,
and it has millions and millions of fans.
CrossFit has thousands and thousands.
Yeah, we're not the Super Bowl.
All right, so here's the list of...
Chris Ibarra, Alex Gatulis,
Colton Mertens, Enrico Zanoni,
Fabian Hermans, Guy Mejeros,
Ilya Muskelenko, Jack Farlow,
Jorge Fernandez, Justin Medeiros,
Nate Ackerman, Noah Olson, Peter Ellis,
Riley Martin, Sven Gienz,
William Leahy IV, Cullen Bosshardt,
Fabian Benito, George Scarvis,
Harry Lightfoot, Jonah Koski,
Mitchell Stevenson,
who crushed it at NorCal too.
I love that dude.
And he always just misses.
He was on a demo team with me
in twenty twenty three.
So such a fit guy.
I haven't seen him compete really since
then.
And I was so happy to see him
podium.
Nick Matthew, Pat Vellner, Quinn Robinson,
Quinn Robinson,
who almost had a ticket at Syndicate in
a stacked field there.
Spencer Pancheck, Travis Mayer.
With that list, how do you pick seven?
Like if Noah's competing online,
like Noah's is one I would pick in
the top seven for sure.
I think it's all how critical they are
on judging.
Noah rides that line.
Yeah, he does,
but he's so fast at all of those
movements.
Yeah, that's tough.
Yoni will qualify if he's healthy.
I believe that.
I think so, too.
I think Colton qualifies because he's
great online.
Yeah.
Yeah, he might have one workout.
That might not be great,
but I see him having like four in
the top five, you know?
I think Spencer Pancheck's a great online
competitor.
Yep.
Which would be cool because then four
Panchecks would be at the games.
I think Colin Bossart is a good online
person as well.
What about Harry Lightfoot?
I don't know.
He had a really good year last year,
but I'm kind of wondering if it was
just last year.
And sometimes, you know,
you had the right program or whatever.
I'm not sure for him.
I have a question mark for just Justin.
I even a shoe in, in this list.
Uh, so Ken for question mark.
Yes.
Two panchecks made it as masters,
Kristen and Scott and Saxon made it as
an elite.
And if Spencer makes it,
that would be four.
Um, I don't think anyone's a shoe in.
I know.
I don't like that.
So like,
I think Justin is amazing online and in
person too, but I just don't, like,
I don't think anyone's a shoe in like
everyone's good and it's going to be
tough.
And Justin Medeiros was a great,
great CrossFit champion, but Jamie,
I know this is a bugaboo of yours.
He rides the line just like Noah.
Yeah.
So is he going,
is he going to make it through unscathed
and not get dinged by the judges?
That is a huge factor in this.
Agreed.
And because of that, do you,
do you make sure your range of motion
is more than normal to prevent that?
Does that slow you down too much?
There's a, there's so many factors.
I mean, if I'm picking,
I'm going Medeiros, Pancek, Yona.
Colton.
Colton, for sure.
Those four.
Yep.
Nick Matthew can be good online as well.
He is good online too.
He can do some damage there, yeah.
yeah i don't know it's really like
traditionally pat is someone who does
awesome online as well yeah but he's he
was one of the people that got dinged
in the box step up thing yep like
it can happen to anybody yeah soft knees
all right let's look at the women which
is an even longer list
Alexis Raptus, Ariel Lowen,
Caroline Stanley, Claudia Gluck,
Elizabeth Wishart, Emily Rolfe,
Grace Walton, Janie Chevery,
Carissa Stapp, Lexi Neely, Mano Angones,
Ada Ludden, sure, Rebecca Fusile,
Reese Littlewood, Sydney McElishan,
Sydney Wells, Trista Smith, Zoe Warren,
Var Thurman-Mo, Taylor Howe, Sydney Smith,
Riley Beebe, Rebecca Vitteson,
Paige Semenza, Mathilde Garnes,
Maddie Fouts, Leah Storen, Jennifer Muir,
Hattie Cano, Fee Sagafi, Emily DeRoy,
Elena Caratala, Carolyn Prevost,
Burgos Bjorn's daughter, Andrea Solberg.
Yeah, this is wild.
Crazy amount of picks you can have out
of that.
I mean, I'd say...
I don't think anyone's a shoo-in.
I think the one that I am the
most confident in is Ariel.
Yeah.
That's one that I'm the most confident in
of this group that I feel like no
matter what the program is,
she finds a way.
I agree.
After that, it's tough to pick.
Like Alexis, obviously too,
is there as well.
And then I think her back is good
now.
I think it's good.
I think,
I think she overheated it syndicate.
Right.
And being in her own gym and her
own space, being able to redo, I think,
I think she'll qualify online.
She would be my second pick after Ariel
as like,
if there's a shoe in it's like those
two.
But man, that's tough.
I'll tell you what,
Janie Chevery really impressed me at
Syndicate.
Agreed.
In person.
Seeing her in person,
like she's way fitter than I gave her
credit for.
Yeah, I kind of hope she makes it.
I thought Rebecca Fusile's made some huge
strides.
She looks awesome too, yeah.
Sounds like Fi and Alexis are doing them
together.
So that actually would probably be very
helpful for them.
I feel like Claudia Gluck has been so
competitive all year and just not quite
good enough.
I mean,
Leah Storen has been the person out twice
as well.
Andrea Solberg is a beast.
Beast.
And it's a beast online as well, too.
And you are very good online too.
I know you're not going to say that
about yourself,
but you are a very good online competitor.
Yeah, there's not many machines and stuff.
Avera is very confident in Carolyn.
There's just so many people with different
skill sets here that it can go any
way.
It can go any way.
Do you think it's a huge advantage here
to have a training camp that has like
multiple people doing these workouts?
Yes.
Huge.
Knowing scores,
knowing if you have to redo,
if you have like six people from proven
together, just doing it.
Yep.
Like if you're just on your own,
you have no idea if you have to
redo, if this workout is good.
Like when you're in a big camp like
this,
like this is when it matters to have
a bunch of testers for you.
And just comparison and already doing the
math.
Like, okay, she's beaten me in three,
four, but this workout, okay.
I have to do this one.
This one,
five people are beating me in this one.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean,
even like Saxon said he was going to
test for Spencer.
Like if you have those people that have
the fitness level you do to test,
that's the key.
Like,
do you have someone that either
specializes in that workout or has your
fitness level that can test it for you?
Yeah, it's definitely an advantage.
But I think we're going to be surprised
on Monday when the leaderboards release.
I think so, too.
I think there's going to be surprise on
both sides.
Yeah, it's going to...
But I hate it.
I hate it.
This is all the drama I wanted at
the in-person semifinals, regionals,
whatever.
And it's all online in the dark.
How many people you think should be
qualifying in this last stage,
last chance qualifier, let's call it,
and then give the other spots in person?
Three?
Yeah.
So if I'm being completely honest,
I don't think there should be a last
chance.
I don't mind the last chance for spots.
It's more income for them.
You get if you if you get a
stacked field.
It's just, you know, you but I Yeah,
but if we have it, two tops.
do you think it should be like a
top two thousand in the quarterfinals or
at each semi-final five people let's say
the next five are all in that's what
i like after the just those people last
chance for two places or whatever but you
can only do one semi-final in person not
five
one semifinal person,
you pick the stacked one, well,
you better finish within five places of a
qualifying spot or something like that.
If we go back to a regionally locked
semifinal structure, then, okay,
it makes sense to have a last chance,
two spots.
But I,
but just like we did in like,
was it twenty three where it was the
five people that just missed from each
region got to do the last chance.
but I, I'm like,
I watch a lot of sports.
Like today I watched F one.
That's my new jam.
My driver, his battery died.
He's out of the race.
It's over.
Like this race is over.
You don't get to go into the garage
and put together a new thing and get
to go out again.
It's done.
When the Montreal Canadiens lost that
series, they're done.
There's no second chance.
And that's what makes sports beautiful
because it all is that drama about that
one moment in time.
I think it's hard to compare an individual
sport to a team sport like that,
like a playoff format.
The French Open just concluded today.
One tournament.
They have multiple tournaments.
for their qualifying.
Well, we have Rogue, we have Waterpalooza,
we have other events.
That's true.
It's not like your season's over.
You get to go do these other things,
qualify for them.
Make more money at those places too,
anyways.
Yeah, you got the whole WFP thing now.
Okay, true, true.
Which them promoting Jason Ainsley to
president was a brilliant move.
Just saying.
I know we're not going to do WFP
tonight, but that was a good move.
He's been the only coherent spokesman for
them over the last year and a half,
and he needs to be that going forward.
Who was president?
Was it Will?
I don't know if there was a president.
I don't know their structure to know.
Some.
And Ken Walters says we've got a Hyrox
and Xenon thing, too.
So anyway, there's that.
To me, it's crazy.
Again,
I just miss getting to see all this
drama on the floor.
Yeah.
Even when Syndicate had, what,
fourteen qualifiers and Erica Folo
couldn't finish that last dumbbell march
to the end.
Like,
you're gutted because that was her last
shot.
And that happened at West Coast with
people not able to finish that last run.
That's where all the drama is,
and that's what I miss.
And you could even see it as the
season progressed.
The less opportunities they had,
the more the pressure was on.
So last weekend was the last in-person
season.
more people, more drama,
because there was no other in-person to go
to.
It was that or you have to go
online.
And I think a lot of athletes are
afraid of online.
Anyway.
So today...
And next week,
we will talk a lot about the online
semis as they will be going on waiting
for the leaderboard.
When does it end?
Does it end Sunday or Monday?
Monday.
Yeah.
Dex wants to know why the hell everybody's
terrified of online.
Because when you ride the line all the
time in person,
the judge gives you immediate feedback.
You don't get that online.
And then if you get the penalty a
week later,
there's nothing you can do about it.
Well,
just the movements that can get programmed
online are often cycle speed dependent.
So that's the thing why I think it
scares a lot of people.
Because one,
if it's cycle speed dependent,
you are riding the line for sure.
And then two, size matters.
The programming will matter if they can
offset it with something for a bigger
person.
But for the most part,
most of the things that are online will
favor a smaller athlete,
except for world climbs.
I mean,
we have thirty and twenty pound wall balls
here.
I guess we'll see.
But.
Yeah, so you have the penalties,
you have the range of motion.
There's a few things, right, for that.
You have just blatant cheating for some
people.
Yeah.
Anyway,
so today the Barbell Spin did a debate
show with Seth Jumpship and Tyler Watkins
about what the season needs to be.
I started watching it.
I didn't finish it.
Well, it got repetitive.
So if you made it halfway through,
you've seen it all.
What I'll say is like,
I think Seth is on the right track,
in my opinion.
Seth is adamant that we need to go
back to regionally locked.
We need to get rid of invites to
these events.
Yes.
They have to qualify from open
quarterfinals to get to the events.
The big debate came in with,
can you trust affiliate owners to run that
section of the competition,
or does it need to go to big
event coordinators?
What I will say is,
Seth made great points.
CrossFit has messed up to the point where
they have put the event coordinators in
such a bad place that they are now
leaving.
Like, Wilson is leaving to go to Xenon.
Yeah.
Daniel Chaffee,
and these are quotes from Seth, says,
I take a bath every year on this.
But just because I love the sport and
love CrossFit, I do it.
But how long is he going to do
that?
And we don't have anybody on the bench.
Because CrossFit just always goes to the
same people over and over again.
Those are the only people that have the
template to make it work.
Right.
And so if we don't give it out
to maybe some bigger affiliate owners to
do some things like this and grow them,
we're gonna be in a lot of trouble
in the future.
So I agree that it should be regionally
locked.
I like that from before.
I agree that it should be open to
quarters to then you go to your regional
law place.
The problem is,
is where do these people that are running
this make their money?
Right now, what's annoying,
what's confusing is all these online
qualifiers, right,
that are even before the Open.
But these people that are taking on these
semifinals have no option because that's
the money that's helping them
you know, put these events on is,
is their qualifiers and the registration
fees.
And then maybe some sponsors when they get
there.
Right.
It's just,
it's tough for them to ask the open
and quarterfinals and then be like,
Oh yeah, we'll run it for you.
And I guess we don't have any money
to,
cause like they could do a separate
qualifier just for other divisions.
Then that becomes like,
Also hard when you want to include teams
in there as well in a three-day weekend.
So it's just tough.
But I think the right way to go
is, and it should go,
open quarters and then you qualify through
to your semis.
So I agree with that.
I just don't know how people would take
that on without any income coming just
from the registration.
I feel like they would probably upcharge
their athletes all of a sudden,
six hundred dollars.
They'd have to.
When there was a debate, too,
that CrossFit may actually charge them for
a licensing fee to run a CrossFit license.
Now, that was not confirmed,
so I don't know if that is true
or not.
They're going to rent these places out,
find volunteers, all of that.
They're relying on their qualifiers right
now to make a lot of money.
I'm not a huge proponent of the affiliate.
Ed says there are no big affiliates.
There are.
There are a lot of big affiliates.
But do they all want to do comps?
You're assuming that every affiliate owner
wants to jump in on this thing.
A lot of affiliate owners probably don't
want to shut down their gym for a
few days for their own members that are
paying and stuff like that.
A lot of them might not want to
do that.
I agree.
And Barry, yes,
it costs a hundred dollars to do the
online semifinals.
I want to answer this Ortega is Wilson
leaving.
Is that why junior Jr helped with
syndicate learning the rope ceremonial
handing off the crown or take,
I'm not saying that all I know is
Wilson is now working for Xenon.
That is a full-time job.
Can he do both?
I don't know.
You'd have to ask him, but I,
If he's losing money on the Syndicate
Crown and Xenom is offering him a lot
of money to come work with them,
isn't that a better option for him?
And CrossFit did nothing to entice him to
stay.
I think if you regionally lock and
Syndicate Crown gets the East in the U.S.,
he's all in again.
Because he knows who the lineup's going to
be.
He doesn't have to do invites and watch
cancellations and withdrawals and do all
this stuff and then backfill and all of
that.
When you have the regional locked,
you just get your list.
Yeah.
And it doesn't change because there are no
other options for those athletes.
CrossFit has put the event organizers in a
very bad position.
Yep.
no funding, do it on your own.
And we're not even going to let you
determine who your athletes are until the
last minute.
That's why I think these event organizers
should just pull out.
Like they need to put CrossFit in the
tough spot.
Like, yeah, we're not doing that for you.
CrossFit's not going to do that.
And I guess there's no season.
I guess it's all online.
I don't know.
They need to figure it out.
They need to realize.
That's what I'm saying.
Like for CrossFit,
For CrossFit, online makes sense.
It's zero money for them to run that.
They can pay some judges to judge.
The in-person is for the athletes that
want that, but besides the games,
they could go online the whole season if
they really wanted to.
If no one is taking on the finals,
they really could.
It's not really a good sport, but
financially it makes the most sense for
them makes us makes the most short-term
financial success long term you might as
well just close up shop yeah focus i
mean yeah and that's that is the problem
we have with whoever is the decision maker
at crossfit whether it's the board whether
it's the the two people that everybody
mentions or whether it's now going to be
bruce i don't know
But you need a long-term vision,
not a short-term.
And that's all we've had for six years
has been short-term vision.
I agree.
And so the old adage,
you got to spend money to make money.
Right.
Or you get that Reebok money.
In all seriousness,
Reebok set us up for a bad spot.
Because everybody got spoiled with the
regional days being funded by Reebok.
Yeah.
And now we don't have the funds to
do it.
And the vendors are pulling out more and
more frequently.
Yeah.
Unless you can do a community event like
NorCal.
They're upcharging the vendors so much
too, though.
They are.
And then there's no one in the stands
to buy their stuff,
so why would vendors bring their stuff
there when no one wants to buy anything
because the price was X, Y,
and Z to enter and register and you
have no one coming to watch?
We talked about this, but more vendors,
more people, more shopping.
I don't know.
It's short term.
They're just milking the cows that have
been there forever.
Vendors, spectators, athletes.
Those are their sources of revenue.
They're not looking for sponsorships.
They're not looking for partnerships.
They're not looking for anything else or
any other way to be creative about how
to make money.
It's the same old stuff and all they're
doing is upping the price on all of
them.
And it's already started happening where
people just aren't going to pay it
anymore.
And so they're bailing.
And Barry says it as well as anybody.
We went from Reebok to Valit Test to
Northern Spirit.
To Jim Reapers.
What is this year?
Is it Belitos?
I thought it was Belitos.
I think it is,
but I think it might be back to
Belitos.
But to expect one big company to come
in and just throw cash at CrossFit,
it's not going to happen.
They have to build this up from the
bottom again because they have screwed the
pooch.
Without geofencing regions,
entire gyms aren't going to show up to
a regional semi.
Hell, that's how we met, Scott.
Maximus in its entirety was at that
regional and all of them.
That's never coming back.
And even if you go back to that,
it's not coming back.
We don't have as many affiliates as we
did then.
The whole ecosystem is smaller now.
There needs to be a new vision for
long-term success, not short-term funds.
If I was closer and didn't have to
fly to California for that,
people from my gym would have come watch
me.
I can tell you that.
We are missing the regional model.
It may not come back in full,
but if you could bring it back to
that, people would come watch.
Yeah, driving distance is huge.
Like people, you know,
I'll pack in a car,
drive to go and watch.
But again,
the prices can't be ridiculous for the
whole weekend.
Right.
Like you make it so it's freaking packed
and it looks great.
And people will buy things and vendors
will want to be there because there's
people there.
If you charge too much,
there's no one that's coming to watch.
They will watch it on YouTube.
They will watch it for free on YouTube.
Seth jumps in the chat.
I already quoted you a bunch, Seth,
so you missed that part.
And Ortega wants some positives.
Here's the positives.
We have a new CEO.
We don't know what the vision of that
is.
We don't know whether he has that ability
to have a long-term outlook into where
we're going.
We don't know that,
but it is a possibility now.
Because he's been around a long time and
he understands the ecosystem.
He understands how it all works.
And so if anybody's going to do it,
it's going to be him.
The other thing is we have Seth on
the CAC.
Seth is taking all this back.
Seth is doing these things to tell
CrossFit what needs to happen,
what should happen,
how the athletes feel about what's
happening.
And if you listen to Seth,
he has a very level head about all
of this.
So if you want a representative on the
CAC that's going to get this stuff done,
it's him.
Yeah.
I still think if you do regional locked,
you make it not as expensive as it
is so that all of these cars and
affiliates and friends come and watch.
It has to be a decent price that
they're willing to watch and pay for
things inside.
The money will start coming.
Because if I ask people to come and
watch me and they'll drive a few hours
and stay at a hotel,
they do not want to pay.
They won't pay.
Three hundred dollars for the weekend.
And then they're not going to buy anything
from the sponsors and the sponsors don't
want to come.
It's the same thing every time.
And then we have less and less sponsors
at each one because they're getting
charged ten to fifteen thousand to have a
booth there for a hundred people that
don't even want to buy anything.
Right.
Regionals were affordable.
You could go and then, like Shanna says,
the vendors were selling out of stuff.
Always.
In the regional days.
That's why.
So here's my proposal.
Regional locked semifinals.
The part I don't understand is where it's
going to be.
Seth says affiliate owners,
give them the opportunity.
I'm okay with that.
Then make teams six-person again where you
can substitute two in.
Now you're building your teams bigger,
the affiliates are more invested,
and they'll bring more people to the venue
to watch those athletes compete.
And it gives more people hope in the
affiliate that they can be a member of
that team someday.
Right.
Our masters at these comps.
I don't even want to get into that
yet because that complicates everything.
Then you need to lower the ticket price
to fill the place.
Not thinking that raising them is going to
make you more money.
Think about lowering the prices and get
more people there and you're going to make
money by volume, not by amount.
Because then sponsors look at pictures and
videos of the event and they're like,
look at how packed this is.
I'm gonna invest because the demand is
there.
People are interested.
Right now,
if you're a sponsor and you're looking at
the stands on a lot of the comps
and they're empty and you're like, no,
it's not that popular.
It's not as popular as it once was
because when you compare it to what it
once was, just how empty it looks,
you're like, it's just decreasing.
I'm not gonna waste my sponsorship there.
But if you make it look full,
people I think would wanna invest.
And you as an athlete,
you can brand yourself better showing you
in a stadium full of people,
especially if you're on a team.
That looks cool.
Then you go to local sponsorships and they
can help support you.
Lower the vendor fee too.
Marketing wise.
Lower the vendor fee too.
So you get more of them.
The more they make money,
the more they will come back.
And what I liked about NorCal and they
did it well.
And like last year at the masters
semifinals, it was horrible,
but you have to walk through the vendor
village to go to your stands.
Like you have to,
you have to force people to go through
the vendor village.
You can't have a vendor village way off
to the side where people can just enter
and go right to their seat and leave
because those vendors are purchasing a
place,
but there's not any volume that's being
sent to them.
You have to put them in a location
at these events that people are walking
through it all the time.
You have to help the vendors out.
These vendors are still paying money to
help support and you shaft them and put
them in the corner.
Like, that's another reason.
You know who is awesome at vendors?
Waterpalooza.
Waterpalooza,
you had to walk through them to get
in.
I haven't been to the new Miami Beach
one and
But I've heard that the SoCal one,
you have to walk through vendor village to
get into the venue.
Spectators bring the energy.
That's what makes the memorable moments.
A three tent snatch is way more exciting
in a packed affiliate with people
screaming than an empty stadium.
And for Jamie,
doing fifty unbroken toes to bar is way
more exciting in a packed house than in
an empty arena.
But I think like the different people that
have been doing the broadcast and stuff
like that's also ways that they can be
saving money from how they used to do
regionals.
Like the price that they used to pay
for the broadcast and stuff is like a
crazy amount.
And now you're having people in the space
that are able to do it for way
less of a price.
And they're doing a very good job at
it, too.
Um, so like,
that's a big cost savings that from the
regional days,
that was too much from before,
from on CrossFit.
So, I mean,
you can still have these third party media
be involved in,
in different things there and pumping out
content of the weekend.
Or take it says that's because it was,
it was run by a festival company.
That's what they do.
Take the template.
Seth said that a lot today in that
debate show,
take the template and start using it.
But I also think like what's confusing
also right now is like you have semifinal
leaderboards like on competition corner
instead of the CrossFit games website.
And then some of them are on Strength
Compete or Compete Strength.
Which one was Mayhem using?
A different one, anyways.
And then you have another region that's
using something else.
It's really hard to just follow the
leaderboard and where these broadcasts are
being done.
Everything should be through the CrossFit
Games website.
It's like,
this region is hopping right now.
Here's a YouTube link.
And then like attach the leaderboard right
there for all of the events.
They should all be using the same
leaderboard like app or whatever.
The CrossFit Games one.
Like right now you just have everything
everywhere.
And it's so confusing for the fans,
for the athletes.
Like where's your leaderboard?
Where are you?
Where can you watch it?
Like if you're,
if where was the qualifier?
Like everything's just all over on the
internet.
Like the,
people are missing opportunities to
compete because they didn't know the
qualifier was going on because if they
didn't follow that Instagram page,
they missed it.
Like it's just, everything's everywhere.
It all needs to be on the game's
site.
Clearly marked like YouTube link times,
all of that oversight.
It's just everywhere.
Like we just don't know what's happening.
Like you have different comps happening
all over.
oversight and a central location to get
all your information.
I am pulling this up just because it's
a good memory for me.
What makes memories for me is Seth telling
me out of pace and me sending it
anyway.
That is the reason I was in Travis
Williams Lane every time he took the floor
at Syndicate.
Because Travis went out five thousand
miles per hour and you knew the wheels
were going to come off and it was
just entertaining watching that.
But those are the characters we've had.
And you learned those people through
regionals and all of that stuff because
they were the local guy that you always
watched.
But that's why we've lost a lot of
our athletes to high rocks because right
now it's not attainable for a lot of
these affiliate athletes to make a
semifinal in person and they want to
compete at a big event.
So now they're not good enough for
CrossFit.
So then they're all just jumping and doing
local high rocks events.
Cause that's like,
it's their competitive outlet that they
get to do and get pictures and it's
fun and it's a hard workout.
But like, if you made semifinals,
like it's still so it's, I mean,
semi being a semifinal athlete used to be
like, it's hard to do,
especially when it was regionally locked
and stuff, but like,
especially for affiliates, right.
So the affiliate team,
the individual is extremely hard,
but like make the affiliate team able to
compete and,
And I think you can bring back some
of the young athletes in our community,
because right now, I mean,
there's a lot of it's like thirty and
above.
Seamus says they need to put together
packages,
discount block hotels like a wedding,
preferred airline with a promo code,
coupon books for the city, et cetera.
But the thing with cities, Seema,
is you have to prove to them that
they're going to get an ROI for their
involvement with you.
And I know Knoxville was working with the
syndicate crown,
and I know last year they didn't get
the crowd they were expecting.
They didn't get the ROI that they were
expecting.
So what does that mean long term?
I don't know.
So...
um anyway all right the other thing going
on this weekend is teams don't know much
about it because we can't see it uh
but their last spots are being determined
this weekend tomorrow that the leaderboard
will go live and we'll see what teams
have made it tomorrow how many qualify
online i think
I don't even it's not that many.
Because there's only twenty teams.
Yeah, one of the games.
It's total.
It might be seven.
Also, I don't might be.
Yeah, I think I think it's seven.
I just I'm not one hundred percent on
that.
So anyway.
With that, guys, it's been a fun,
exciting conversation tonight.
We'll be back next week in the middle
of the Elite Semifinals online.
Hopefully some people go live.
I'm not counting my chickens at this
point, but it'd be cool if they did.
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