You Can’t Fulfill Someone Else’s Calling w/ Gabby & Antonio Reyes

Pastor Chrissy Cole sits down with Gabby and Antonio Reyes for an honest conversation about calling, marriage, leadership, and the freedom that comes when you stop trying to fulfill someone else’s expectations. Together they share how burnout, misplaced pressure, and unhealthy roles created tension, and how boundaries, humility, and deeper self awareness helped them walk in calling with more peace and unity. This episode is a powerful reminder that you cannot fulfill someone else’s calling, only the one God uniquely designed for you.

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• (00:00) - Boundaries That Protect Calling
• (00:28) - Welcome to Project Sisterhood
• (01:54) - Why We’re Talking About Calling
• (02:28) - How Antonio and Gabby Got to Project Church
• (06:47) - Calling Transcends Location
• (07:33) - Did Gabby Feel Called Too
• (10:02) - The Challenges of Walking Out Calling Together
• (11:03) - When Wrong Expectations Break You
• (12:30) - The Wake Up Call in Their Marriage
• (14:18) - Are You Carrying Someone Else’s Expectations
• (15:25) - Reconnecting Through Identity and Boundaries
• (17:59) - Creating Space for Her to Flourish
• (19:04) - When Helping Becomes Unhealthy
• (21:20) - Calling, Roles, and Healthy Unity
• (23:30) - When Calling Costs You Comfort
• (25:11) - Living With Open Hands
• (26:12) - Growing Your Capacity for Calling
• (28:34) - Relearning Prayer in This Season
• (29:23) - Calling Requires Desperation
• (31:23) - It’s Okay Not to Know What You’re Doing
• (33:27) - Don’t Get Obsessed With the How

Creators and Guests

Host

Chrissy Cole

Chrissy’s parents moved to the U.S. from the Philippines in the late 70′s. She saw her parents both come to know the Lord at a young age. She and her family poured their lives into the local church and were changed by God. Chrissy attended Evangel University in Springfield, MO and earned a B.A. in Communications with an emphasis in Public Relations.

What is Project Sisterhood?

Project Sisterhood is a podcast for women who want to grow in faith, find healthy community, and become who God created them to be.

Hosted by Chrissy Cole and the Project Church Sisterhood team, each episode brings honest conversations and biblical encouragement centered on identity, belonging, spiritual maturity, healing, relationships, and purpose.

With a mix of humor, vulnerability, and real-life wisdom, Project Sisterhood creates space for women in every age and stage to feel seen, strengthened, and connected—because you were never meant to do life alone.

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There's the moment

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that she has a lot of opinions
about certain things and the boundaries.

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Hey, if you're not going to help me
fix it, please, right now, don't,

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don't don't give your opinion.

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I'm like, okay.

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And and and and that's
that is to protect my soul.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Protect our marriage. Not it.

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Not because I don't want to hear
what she has to say.

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Yeah,
maybe she has great insight about it,

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but I think there's some moments
that I'm like, hey, babe,

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I think we just need to put this battery.

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This is a Project sisterhood podcast
for all things women,

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brother, youth, a purpose for ministry,
motherhood for the marketplace.

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We have crucial and genuine conversations
that transcend

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your season
to impact your true identity as a woman.

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So light hearted.

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Possible.

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Honesty.

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Matters of the heart
and soul to be encouraged.

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We hope you and all women

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of every age, at every stage,
find life and freedom in Jesus

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and. All right,

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project sisterhood,
we have quite the episode for you.

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Welcome back to the Project
Sisterhood Podcast.

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I have my friend Gabby here.

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Pastor Gabby, our one of our pastors
at our South Side campus,

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and she has brought her husband, pastor
Antonio.

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With her tag along, tag along.

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And you know what?

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This is the first time we've ever
had a man outside of Caleb.

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Yeah, on our podcast. So privileged. Yes.

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You are very privileged.

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And my part, and my part of the tribe
now, of the sisterhood.

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Yes. Sisterhood.

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You can now call yourself Mister Hood.
There you go.

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There you go, pastor.

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Well,

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we are so excited to have you on,
the rez couple here.

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Family? They are parents to Aslan.

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I just love that.

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I love his name and just the sweet
as they're the sweetest family.

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We love that you guys are leading
what you're leading in South Sacramento.

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And today
we are going to talk about calling.

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Yes, yes.

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And we'll see where it goes. Yes.

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We sound so sure if

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we are not.

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But we I want to talk calling
and I'm so grateful,

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for your steps of obedience
that have has led you here.

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So when it comes to calling you
to who have been at our church

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for about a year now, right.

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Yeah.

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And, what was the road here?

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And, you know, you knew what your calling
was before you come to project church,

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but can you give us a little history
of how you got to project church

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and how that plays into what
the Lord's calling you to do?

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much.

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It's always a privilege
to have a conversation with you.

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And, and part of the road
for us to be here on project.

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I mean, it started probably even in LA
as we actually try to, to become pastors.

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We church volunteer in 2017.

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I was 27.

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Gabby was 26, which is crazy now
that I think about it, to step into such

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a, an important, significant thing to do,
you know, but we just felt like,

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we wanted to build a local church,
and we felt called to lead something.

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We felt that God has a passage,
something in us, from ideas to creativity

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to formation and so many other things
that we felt like, you know what?

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Maybe we can be the voice of, you know,

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some people in particular
in that time was the Latino voice.

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Yeah.

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Because we church planted in the greater
Los Angeles area, specifically

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in Southgate,
which is probably 96% Latinos.

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Okay. Very similar to. South, yeah.

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Yeah, very, very similar to Tulsa.

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And so, at that time, we just folded
that was our calling.

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Yeah.

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And we jump into that and we,

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we spent two years of our lives,
building that local church.

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In the pandemic, we had to close

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that church community.

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We had a ton of young adults,
which means we didn't have money.

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We had a passion,
which is going to have money.

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And but overall, you know,
I think that was the, the beginning

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in the formation of, hey, this is this is
probably you guys are wired to do this.

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This is the gift
that God has placed on you.

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There's the vision
that Gus has placed in you.

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It might not be in this in this area.

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Maybe there's somewhere else.

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And then

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we decided to move to Northern California
to pursue a business idea that we had.

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Okay.

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Unfortunately, things didn't go the way
we thought they were going to go.

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Okay.

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And so in that process,
I still felt like maybe,

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maybe I should go back to finish,
maybe I did.

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I get to step into and in that process,
you know, a bit among friends,

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we got connected to the church
in, in Davis, California.

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And I was there for about three years.

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Yeah, as an associate pastor.
Okay. And working together.

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And she actually serve,
in the community so.

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Well, yeah.

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But then in the process of all of that,
we felt like

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there was a new season coming in
and we didn't know what it was.

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Yeah, we didn't know what it was.

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We thought it was church planting again.

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We felt like we wanted to lead
the God was starting our hearts

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to lead another community.

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And we were like, okay
I guess this church planting again

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and we were nervous about
it was like, okay, let's do this again.

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You know, and in exactly the month that I,
we actually had our gathering

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interest meeting
where the people we thought

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were the people
that were going to lunch with us, that's

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when we got connected with that project
through a friend of ours in Vegas.

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Give me a call.

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Hey, man, what are you doing
with your life? Like, what do you mean?

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It's like we like to pastor in Sacramento.

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I was like, say more about it. Like, what?

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Do you want it?
What are you talking about?

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He's like, well, there's this cool church.
You know, they're doing great things.

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They have a new campus
and they want to open a Spanish church.

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And so he gave me this bill
and I was like, I can have a conversation.

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Yeah, we were here before
we came to a Christmas service here.

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Yeah.
And I came to a sisterhood event. Yes.

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Passion. Right.

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Passion for me.

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Which, by the way,
I think that was a key component of why

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we felt like this was a thing,
because, in that conference,

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my wife got shocked by what happened here,
and she and I haven't seen that in the.

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I didn't see that in years.

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When she came back, I was like, whoa,

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something happened in her
that I felt like a significant.

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And so that kind of inform our decision
in that moment,

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Diane formed when we came,
we had the whole conversation.

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We felt connected to you guys.

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We love, the power of a,
you guys love building the local church,

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but also, you guys are very
brave and, brave spirit,

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throwing our blueprint, you know,

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and to us, that was
we just feel in synergy with you guys,

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and we felt like that was something
that we wanted to be part of it.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, there's so many other things,
but that's kind of

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some of how we arrived.

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Oh, yeah, I like that. Yeah.

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Yeah, I, I guess I knew
a lot of those things that I do love

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how fashion has played
a role in your life.

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But what I hear you saying is that

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calling transcends location.

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Yes, yes. Yeah. That's so good.

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So you guys knew that guy called you
to pastor and build up people, bro?

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Something potentially from the ground
up, right?

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Yes. And, that was down in LA
then that was out here.

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And Davis,
there was potentially, business start.

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But then now it's another restart
to a church like.

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Yeah, I love
how God does he has these themes.

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I think the themes that happen in
our lives

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are really pointing towards our calling.

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Yeah.

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So how did how did this whole thing of,
being married to this guy

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that, you know, that wants to do this?
Yeah.

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Did you feel called to it
at the same time?

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Did you feel like.

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Because I,

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I do think it's an interesting dynamic
when there's, there's two doing it.

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Yeah.

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You know, and I've seen it where a husband
wants to do it or wife wants to do it,

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or they both are all in
and I don't know what.

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What was it like for you?

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I grew up in church and I've always loved
serving my local church.

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I remember when I was a teenager, my,
when my parents, you know,

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would get me in trouble
instead of saying, like,

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you're not going to go out,
you're not going to go to church.

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And I was like, that's rude.

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Like,
you should be happy. I'm going to church.

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But I loved being at church.

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I loved serving the local church.

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I remember starting to be a leader
within the church at 18.

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Like as soon as I graduate

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from high school,
I became the children's ministry director.

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And after I graduated from high school,
I tried to pursue something else

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and it didn't work because I didn't
feel like that was my passion.

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And then I went straight into,
okay, let's go to ministry school.

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And I pursued that,
and I never knew exactly

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what I was going to do within ministry.

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But I always knew, like,
I want to grow in my knowledge of Christ

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and in the word,
and I want to create a space

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where people can come and encounter him
because I like he,

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you know, God has just shifted
and changed my life so much

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that I want others
to experience that as well.

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So I never knew

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it was going to be pastoring,
or if it was just going to be like

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a ministry leader in some sense.

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But I always knew that
I wanted to create a space

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for people
to come and encounter Christ. Yeah.

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And that ended up being now pastoring.

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And,
you know, I've shared this before, but

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I learned
that one of my giftings is to to help.

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Yeah.

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And I do feel like
God placed me in his life to help him

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with this vision that he's given him.

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You know, creating a space, a church,
for people to come in here, the message.

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And I am, you know, so through that,
we get to do that together.

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And I love that he also has learned to see
my giftings and my strengths,

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where I can use those to create a space
and not necessarily be, you know, in the,

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you know, pastor's wife or pastor
type of cooking, you know, cutting mold.

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Yeah.

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So he allows me to express myself
in different ways.

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So in that role.

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Has that been a challenge?

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Oh, yeah.

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I talked to just about the challenge
tell a calling, especially

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when you're doing a calling together.
Yeah.

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You both know that to some degree we're
supposed to be doing this church thing.

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And so how that fleshes out
and how that's executed

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is always more challenging than that.

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You know, prophetic thought initially.

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Right.

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So what were some of the challenges

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to walking out this calling
where you guys are now?

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Yeah, I think part of it and we were
we were under a leadership

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in, in Long Beach where very similar
to you and Pastor Caleb.

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They were co-leading, this church and,

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we she, she had a strong calling,
obviously, and leading.

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And so when we church planted,

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we kind of wanted to do the same dynamic.

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I just didn't know personally.

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I just didn't know how to go about it.

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And so what I started doing as, as

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as the man, as a, as a pastor,
I start plans place.

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And despite the similar expectations
that our pastor had in there, her

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well over over
my wife got it, which ended up

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being detrimental to her calling.

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I was trying to push it
to be something that she was not.

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Also, other people was requiring from her
something that she was not.

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Because we, you know, we took a big group
of the people from that church with us.

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Like, they they were like,
whoever wants to go with them, like,

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you guys are more than welcome to,
you know, go.

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So we,
you know, they were used to a specific

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view of a female pastor and or,

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you know, the co pastors and I, you know,
that was my natural gifting.

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So when people had all of

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these expectations on me,
it really did break me.

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Yeah. By the time we

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finished our church planting
and we like let that go, I was broken.

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Yes, I remember that.

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I mean there was a lot of fights,
a lot of tension.

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It created a lot of it not been satisfy.

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Of course, you know, in our marriage
and it costs so much tension

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that I think God,
it was God's grace that keep us together.

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Yeah.

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But at the end, like,
I like this, that I remember vividly,

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for the end of our
of our journey planning,

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we were driving from LA
to Northern California with our family.

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And, and I remember telling her
I was like, I need you to step forward.

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I need to step in.

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I need you to help me lead this community.

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And I remember that was the first time
she really expressed.

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She she just she she was broke
and she was like, I can't do this.

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I don't want to do this no more. Right?

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And she was like, I'm done.

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I remember her telling me
I'm done. I don't want to do that.

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And that moment was kind of like a wake up
call for me.

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And I just didn't know what to do.

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I also was broken.

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I also was tired.

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Yeah, but I, I remember that moment.

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I felt like I'm placing an expectation
over her that it's not fair to her.

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That's not who she is.

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That's not who God designed her to be.
Yeah.

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And I don't want that to be the her
or her role.

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I want to be the biggest cheerleader
for her and to who she was created to be.

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Yeah. And I think that that changed now.

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That changed now because I found freedom
and now have her do something.

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I want her to do.

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Yes, I found freedom.

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And her being who she wants to be. Yeah.

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And now I'm no longer asking her,
or I'm telling her,

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like I need to do this, this,
this, this, this, this.

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Because this is your role.

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Now I'm is like, what do you want to do?

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How do you want to actually
start the community? Yeah.

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How how I actually want it.

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And and and also as soon as people
want to play certain expectations over

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her, prompt to, you know, protect
her and say, hey, that is not her role.

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That is not the expectation
that we have over her. Yeah.

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And so I think,
there's so much freedom. Yeah.

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And there's so much more joy in her. Yeah.

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Than now that she can step
into the fullness to who she is.

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But it was, I believe, was part of my,
this picture that plates over her.

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Yeah.

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I wanted her to be
rather than God who pushed me.

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How do I actually do her gifting
the beauty who she is, the complexity

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of who she is and how to actually help her
actually achieve those things.

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Wow, this is such a great conversation.

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Not just for a husband leading a wife,
but us as parents, leading our children

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as as friends, leading other friends

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to fulfill the calling
that God has placed on our life.

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This is such an important conversation.

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It makes me think of the book
by John Tyson.

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The burden is light.

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And how often is the calling

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that God has placed on our life
only a burden?

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Yes, it should be a burden
that we are meant to carry with Lori.

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It should be a burden and heavier

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than what we can handle on our own,
because we can only fulfill it with God.

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Yeah, connect to him.

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But I wonder how many people are walking
with a burden

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that are flashes carrying
and it is actually all the expectations

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that other people see of your calling,
rather than this is what I hear

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from the Lord, and this is how God
created me to carry this burden with him.

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Yeah, but I think we see burnout. Yeah.

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We say, peace out. I'm not doing this.

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Yeah, we see aborting our calling

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because of the wrong expectations
and the expectations of timing.

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Expectations
of what the calling looks like.

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The rate of success. Quote unquote.

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This is such an important conversation.

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Yeah.

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So how did you guys connect
then after that,

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that revelation
that I think there was, you know,

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miscommunicated
and unrealistic expectations.

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How did you guys reconnect?

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I remember that during that season,
I had a coach, life coach.

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And one of the things
that she told me was,

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you can't lead like her
because you're not her.

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And her giftings are not your giftings.

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So you have to look at who you are
and lead through those giftings.

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And, you know, and and it's funny
because then I later on,

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I got together with my pastor and,
and they shared that with her.

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And she's like, you have to lead from,
you know, from what you who you are.

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Yeah.

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What she was telling me the exact same
exact thing. And I was like, thank you.

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Because I was trying to be like
you and I'm not you.

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And yeah, yeah, it's hard, but she's like,
no girl.

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Just, you know, lead out of your own
natural giftings.

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And I feel like the more that
we got to know ourselves and each other,

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then we were able to, like, really
step into, okay, this is how you lead

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and this is how I lead, and and this is
how we're going to lead the community.

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So once we, you know,
he started understanding that about me.

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Then he was able to truly
just let me lead as as who I was.

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And, and I think, the communication
in the, in the boundaries

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that we have placed
since then have been huge.

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Yeah.

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You know, there
there is some conversations where,

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you know,
we express to each other, really.

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Okay. I'm able to do that.

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I'm able to do this, or moments like,
you know,

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this, this is something big, you know,
there's some moments that she has

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a lot of opinions about certain thing
and the boundaries.

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Hey, if you're not going to help me
fix it, please.

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Right now, don't don't,
don't give your opinion.

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Like. Okay.

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And and and and that's
that is to protect my soul.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And to protect our marriage.

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Not it.

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Not because I don't want to hear
what she has to say.

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Yeah,
maybe she has great insight about it,

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but I think there's some moments
that I'm like, hey,

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I think we just need
to put this battery into.

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So boundaries have been a huge thing.

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And honoring them too. Yeah.

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And so I think that communication,
the boundaries of like in this dynamic,

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we're going to protect our marriage
by putting these boundaries.

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And, and and I think part of it to me

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and what I've been having conversations
with God is like, okay, God help me.

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I really want her to be, thriving
flourish into who she was created to me.

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Help me see what what you see in her
so that I can cultivate that in her.

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And,
I think part of what I always tell men,

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part of the word that is the word

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that is in the Scripture when it talks
about to me is like being under.

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Right? Yeah.

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And sometimes what I see
a woman that need to do

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is the need to kind of like
duck under to be less. Yes.

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And what I want is for her to stand
for who she is.

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The ceiling is high enough that she does
not have to duck or be blessed.

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I want it to be who she is. Yeah.

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And so I want to open that space
as, as a pastor said, man,

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I want her to live
in the fullness of that.

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And so that's
what I'm trying to champion.

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If I see something her is like, do a baby.

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Like I try to champion it.

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I try to encourage her.

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And we have to pay a course for you
to become a creative director.

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Let's pay like something like that.

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I know that's practical.

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Yeah, but how we actually shift from that,
it was it was huge.

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Like, how do I actually become
a cheerleader for her?

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And I think there's a huge, like change

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in the health
of the happens in our marriage.

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Then now we feel more comfortable,
like leading our community.

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And it feels like so natural to.

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Yeah,
I think before it felt like a force. Yeah.

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You know.

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Going back to boundaries,
I naturally I love to help.

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And what I would do with him in the early,
you know, stages of our church

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planting was I'll do anything like, just
tell me what to do and I'll do it for you.

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And to the point where
I would put to the side my health myself

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and then just focus on helping
and helping.

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And I think there was at one point
where he got used to that, that he didn't

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see that it was too much, and I didn't
communicate that it was too much.

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So once we started learning like, hey,
when you're unhealthy,

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you're not going to like,
you're going to help.

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And it's amazing
that you are wanting to help,

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but you're not going to see that,
you know, you are pushing yourself

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and putting yourself
or your health to the side just to help.

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So what we started doing was like,
I started communion, came to him like,

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hey, I can help you in this area
right here, but I can't do the rest.

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So you're going to have to go find
someone else to do that. Yeah.

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And I think he was at a place where
he limited the the trust he had in people.

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So like,

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he knew he trusted me and he wanted to

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give me all of these things,
but I could only do so much.

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So then he was like, okay,
I need to start trusting more people.

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And I think that
he does that beautifully.

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Now at South Zach,

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I could definitely see his growth
and leadership

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where it's like he's
starting to trust other people and giving,

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you know, delegating all of these other
things that he used to just give to me,

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which I love.

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And I think maybe it could be
just because I'm so limited in time now

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and I can't do so much for him.

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But it's, you know,
allowing him to open up and,

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and the space for other people to lead
and help and carry the vision that he has.

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Where is it?

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I feel like in the past, it just felt like
we were both carrying the vision.

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Yeah.

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And now it's like more people
are carrying the vision.

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And I think,
you know, it's beautiful to see that.

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That's really good.

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I, I,

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I want to go back to what you're saying
about submission because oftentimes

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submission is part of the conversation
whenever you're speaking to has a wife

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working the right is that conversation
that Caleb and I have frequently

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and I sometimes see submission less.

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It is definitely coming under,

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under the protection of mostly
that I think of submission under.

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Yeah. As not lower but more as protected.

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Which I think is huge.

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And I think when it comes to calling,
we really have to understand roles.

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And, and when we get caught up
in who's higher, lower

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then then we're not focused on the roles
and the lanes.

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So I think there's certain lanes.

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But as women,

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I think we're so blessed to be when we're
with our husbands to be protected.

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I like the under being under, you know.

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So anyways,
I think that the calling is so burdensome

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when you are not, being obedient
to what God has called you to do.

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Right?

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Like it's burdensome

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because you're not in the right lane,
you're starting to shift in another lane

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and you're starting to answer demand
before you answer to God.

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So I think it's so important for us
to, to walk in our calling.

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And we know we're walking
fully in the calling when there's freedom,

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when there's a sense of freedom and unity.

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Because she could have continued
to meet your expectations

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and you'd see it as,
okay, she's fulfilling the calling

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on fulfilling my calling
because I'm supposed to do that.

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And, well, how how detrimental to
your personal health would that have been?

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So I think when we think about calling,
we have to really ask ourselves,

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am I in a healthy place?

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Am I in unity with my leaders?

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Am I in unity with my community?

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And am I, fulfilling
the roles that I know God

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has called me now to begin with, as there

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are the passions

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and a giftings that God placed in me
being released.

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Anyways, there's there's so much
about calling that I think we can learn

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from this married couple,
but also the way we lead our families,

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the way we lead our staff,
the way we lead, in the workplace.

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If you're leading a team,
if you are, leading a group project

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as a, as a student, you know, like group
projects, that's where we learn roles.

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That's where you, say, lay down
our pride and boundaries and restraints.

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So that's a beautiful thing.

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Now that you guys are walking, what
what kind of challenges do you have now?

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You've been walking into this
calling together?

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Well, what kind of challenges
do you find that

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the Lord's helping you overcome
as it relates to calling it?

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I think for me, one of the biggest,
the biggest things, going back to what

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you mentioned about, the location piece,

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you know, that is not limited by that.

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That was a very hard
that has been very hard for me.

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You know, because for us,
I mean, probably my wife share with you

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and you already know
that we live in LA for over a decade.

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And so for

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me, I never saw myself living in LA.

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I love the location.

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I was happy there.

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Yeah, I felt like a home there.

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It was my creative hub.

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All of us stuff, my connections always of.

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So when we moved,
it was a very hard thing for me

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because I thought was made for LA.

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You know what I was like, this is for me,
you know, I this is where I thrive.

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I love I'm a cedar rat. I love the chaos.

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And so, that was that was very hard
for me to really accept.

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Like, that is not where I want you.

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And that is okay.

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And the problem is,
if we become obsessed about that,

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it can be detrimental
to what God is trying to expand us.

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Yeah. And and the capacity that he.

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Yeah, that we have to actually adopt
in other places.

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And I think for me that the calling
that God has entrusted me, it has been

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God is bigger than my location of where
I'm at, for sure it has been.

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And so the problem is,
when I become obsessed about the location,

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is that tormented to the purpose
that God has placed in my life.

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Where it can also,
you know, be about the position

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that's about a specific position
that I want to do. Yes.

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Or just a picture you've created.

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Yes. For yourself.

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Something that we've learned to do

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is to live like this
with no potential open hands.

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Like sometimes people are like,
where are you going to be in five years?

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I honestly don't know.

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Like, I would love to say I'll be here,
you know?

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Wait, wait.

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He signed a contract
that said, I'm just kidding.

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Had he been here for this times?

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But, you know, like, we we've seen it
in our lives so much, you know,

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like God taking us to different places
that we couldn't even imagine.

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And so we are just being led by him.

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Yeah. So we live with open hands. Yeah.

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And there's another part too, as well.

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I think we we were talking with Pastor
Kyle about him, like, and now that,

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God is responding to the prayers
that we had, the multiplication

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that is happening in our community.

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Yes. The growth
that is happening right now.

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What, like, sometimes
when you don't have it, you like.

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But when I don't have it, you know,
but once you do, like, what do you do now?

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And I think we are in a place in our lives
that we're seeing,

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the grace of God in the favor
in our community.

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And now we're finding ourselves, like,
now what?

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How do we actually grow in to the role
that is needed to keep moving?

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Yeah.

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How do we grow in our in our relationship
with each other and our relationship

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with God in our leadership
knowledge, skill?

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Because I do not want to become
the ceiling to our community.

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I want to be able to grow with that
and that.

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What is the thing
that I need to cultivate, grow?

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What new discipline, what new structure
I need to be.

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I need to be on my life
so that I can actually keep growing and

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can be expanding.

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Because I believe that that's
what God is doing with our lives.

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I was
we were just literally driving over here,

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and we were having a conversation
with Gabby about,

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you know, a lead, a certain
group of people, you know, and like,

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I know, sometimes we say
we want to lead this group of people,

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but we don't know where we asking
to. Right.

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But at the same time, I want to be
I want to have the capacity to do it. Yes.

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In the knowledge and the wisdom to do it.

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Not because it's hard.
I don't want to do it.

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I actually want to do it.

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But I want to grow into that.

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So I think we are in a place where
we're open to grow.

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And what is the thing
that we need to grow in our, in our life

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so that we can entrust this with more?

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Yeah, because that's what we want.
We don't want to get stagnate.

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We don't want to be raging to like,

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this is how we been doing it
for ten years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I want to be open.

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And I think that is something
that we're in right now.

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I think that's something

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that we've cultivate in our lives
is always being willing to learn more.

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Yeah. And

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and, you know, being willing to be taught,

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I think that sometimes

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people feel like they're arrived
and then they're not willing to hear from,

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you know, or learn and, and,
and apply those things into your life.

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And I think that we've cultivated
learning.

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Yeah, in our lives
where we're constantly like, what's new?

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What can we learn?

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What are weren't we doing that we can do?

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And I think that that's really brought us
to where we're at,

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just having that willingness to learn

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and be under people who we feel like,
wow, they're doing amazing.

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Like.

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And every time we're around,
you know, every time I'm around you,

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I'm like, I'm just learning.

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Even if it's just a conversation like,
this is how she said, or

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this is how she expressed herself,
and I'm learning from that.

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So I think just cultivating like,

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you know, learning
or just being able to be taught.

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Yeah, is is something that sometimes
we don't see them and.

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And learn and relearn. Yeah. Brilliant.

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Can I say I mean,
I thought I told you this,

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coming here, you know,

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something that we have in our communities,
we emphasize prayer.

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Yeah.

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And, and the spiritual health

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part of obviously that, that,
that is part of the spiritual health.

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But prayer has been a huge thing,
that there's some things

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that we knew about it and the power of it,

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we knew it, which is
I don't think we cultivate it enough.

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Yeah.

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And coming back into this place
have made me learn,

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relearned the power of it
and how to cultivate that.

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And to us has been like, man,
I know I knew it,

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but I don't think I put it in practice
as much as I feel like I need it to.

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And so I think maybe there's some things
that you might know

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that you need to relearn
and cultivate it again.

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That's because,
it's not just about innovating.

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Maybe sometimes it's about relearning
something

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and actually
cultivating important in practice.

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So anyways, we said a lot,
but I think that's something that we're in

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in this in this season.
Love that I love it.

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What I just gathered, at the risk of
sounding like I'm making an equation

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and like dispensing like
this is where we need to do a, b equals

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a plus b equals C.

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At the risk of sounding that way,
when I heard both of these sayings

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initially that calling is oftentimes
out of your comfort zone.

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And I think part of the reason
why it's out of our comfort

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zone, number one that's calling
should be out of your comfort zone

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is because number two,
God wants to increase your capacity

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and not just in your own strength, but
he wants to give you his strength. Yes.

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And in order to carry what he wants
to give you, you need to be low,

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lowly, ready to receive
so that he can do exceeding

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and exceeding and abundantly more than
you could ask or think or do on your own.

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Right.

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So I feel like calling
to be out of your comfort zone

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and calling should always
be increasing your capacity, right?

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And that

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the prerequisite

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for fulfilling the calling that God has on
your life is a level of desperation.

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Because when you are uncomfortable,
you need to be desperate.

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Yes, to like, oh God, help me.

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And when we don't feel like
we have all that we need in order to do

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what he's called us, do,
we need to be desperate?

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We need more of your capacity.

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We need more of your strength. Right.

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So I saw an equation
as you guys were talking.

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You're like discomfort
and lack of capacity.

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We need to be desperate. Yes.

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Desperate followers of Christ will fulfill

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the calling
because at least you are decreased. Ya.

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So that he can be increased.

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Because we're.

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We're not meant to be glorified.

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Sometimes in our creativity,

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we talking about creativity
in our last, episode with Gabby,

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in our creativity and innovativeness,

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we can take credit for it.

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And that steals the glory from the Lord.

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But when we say desperate and dependent,
which is a prerequisite

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for powerful prayer life,
then we will fulfill the calling.

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I think you get something very important
because part of you were saying,

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like desperation, right?
Like we need more.

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I think sometimes we haven't done
a good job.

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Been okay to living in the tension.

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Like, I'm not really sure what I'm doing.

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And that is okay, because this is where
God is going to shine.

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Showing himself more, reveal himself more.

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And that is okay.

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I feel like there's so many times
that I have found myself in a place

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I'm like,
I really don't know what I'm doing.

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I know I went to school for it.

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I know I read a ton of books
in leadership.

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I know I have been in proximity
with leaders.

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I still don't know what I'm doing,
and I feel like

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that is a good place to be
because I leaning into him.

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Yeah. Like, in
I think we had this conversation.

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Desperation has been a big.

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Unofficial word of the year.
Of the visual. Official.

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I don't know, I just become
an official podcast official for.

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Official right now.

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Yeah, I think that has been
a beautiful place to be.

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And that is okay.

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And I don't think we have been
taught that.

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I think in a, in a, in a Western way of
thinking, we need to have a back in place.

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Yes, we need to know where we going.

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We need to look like we know
what are we doing. Yeah.

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And we don't do a good job saying,
you know what, I want to live

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in the tension of really not knowing
what I'm doing because he's expanding me.

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He's growing me.

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Yeah, he's he's showing me

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that there's some more within me
because he has created me in this way.

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I cannot just take you to a moment.

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One of the moments that I love in
Scripture is a secure a secure.

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At the age of 25,
he was, practicing to become a priest.

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Everything, I mean, all
destruction happens if you read Ezekiel.

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We are book.

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Great book to read too,
as well as a lot of revelation there.

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Sure. But, for sure.

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But we're taught
we're taught in Scripture that,

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you know,
they get captured that destroy the temple.

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And then he ends up
in the outside of the city

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in a river where he is sinning.

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And that's where he receives
the revelation.

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He becomes a prophet to his people.

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Notice he was supposed to become,
a priest at the age of 30.

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There's no there's no building.

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There's no temple.

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By the age of 30,
he receives his first revelation.

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He was still supposed to be a priest,

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but how he was going to execute
that was going to be very different.

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Yeah, he was going to become a prophet.

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Two it's a group of people that were exile
and a very different dynamic.

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Yeah. He was he was known to be creative.

00;33;45;24 - 00;33;49;00
He showed different ways of how he,
you know, God was speaking to him.

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When we become obsessed about

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the how, yeah, we might lose
what he's inviting us into.

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Oh, that's so good. And so calling.

00;33;58;02 - 00;34;00;04
We need to be adaptable.

00;34;00;04 - 00;34;03;24
We need to be having open heart
and being willing to say, may be

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I trained this way this whole time,
but that was not what he want me to do.

00;34;08;20 - 00;34;11;29
Maybe he wants to execute this
and show me a different way of how he.

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That's so good.

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And there's the prerequisite desperation
on what God is doing in you.

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Right.

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And what is the book that we all just read
as a staff beholding like

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some things are better than taught?

00;34;24;28 - 00;34;29;02
You cannot teach desperation. Yes.

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You can't teach it.

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Like just be aware
of all the things that you need, you know?

00;34;33;05 - 00;34;36;15
You know, it's like if we leave
from a place of desperation,

00;34;37;01 - 00;34;38;23
our church will be desperate.

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Yeah, and that's going to mean
we don't have all the answers.

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That's going to mean

00;34;43;09 - 00;34;46;12
we're going to seek the Lord
before we share any kind of vision.

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And that's going to be us
humbling ourselves and revealing

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we are not sufficient.

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We are not eloquent enough. We are not.

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We don't have enough vision.

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We are not enough without, you know, so.

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Oh, that's so good, guys. I'm so glad.

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Thank you
for this conversation. On calling.

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I feel like the Lord's doing
something in your wife.

00;35;06;07 - 00;35;07;12
I'm so excited about what

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sisterhood is going to be
because of really the way you've led her,

00;35;11;16 - 00;35;15;03
the way you've led this church,
the way you guys are partnered in this.

00;35;15;29 - 00;35;19;09
I'm grateful
that the Lord brought you guys to us

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in this, you know, in this state,
you know, because,

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Oh, man, it's just beautiful
that the Lord has done a lot in you.

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And we are so excited
for what he's doing.

00;35;28;21 - 00;35;30;10
And we're grateful for the calls. Yeah.

00;35;30;10 - 00;35;32;05
Like,
we definitely we feel loved by you guys.

00;35;32;05 - 00;35;33;09
Seen by you guys.

00;35;33;09 - 00;35;37;21
And like I,
we texted yesterday, we're so,

00;35;37;21 - 00;35;39;16
we feel so honored
that you guys have entrusted

00;35;39;16 - 00;35;41;19
as with such an important task,
the season in our life.

00;35;41;19 - 00;35;47;05
Yeah, we feel very lucky that we get to do
and express ourselves.

00;35;47;05 - 00;35;48;27
And you guys trust us to do that?

00;35;48;27 - 00;35;51;11
Yeah, well,
I'm not going to let you out. Honor me.

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We're should out honor each other, right?

00;35;53;09 - 00;35;55;09
That that is what we're gonna do.
We're outdo each other.

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An honor.

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But really,
it is easy to trust humble people.

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It is much easier because there's,

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When there's humility, man,
the Spirit of God can just, lead us much.

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There's no roadblocks.

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There's not as many roadblocks.
Right? There's.

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Thank you for your melody.

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Thank you.

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Thank thank you for taking the heat for
for for us when things get tough.

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But that's a whole nother. Podcast,
right there.

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Yeah, that's
that's a whole nother podcast.

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We'll save that for next time.

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But thank you.

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Reyez couple what Reyez family raisers

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Antonia, Antonio and Gaby.

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What a fun conversation with our pastors
from South Sacramento.

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We are so pleased with
what's happening there.

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If you haven't visit our South SAC campus,
make sure you go.

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It is a vibe.

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It's such a great time
and the Lord is moving over there.

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And especially if you know any people

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who are looking for a Spanish
speaking service.

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Our second service
there at 1130 is for them.

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So we love you guys. Thanks for tuning in.