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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
Tax day. I hope you paid your taxes. We have a great show for you today, folks. Bunch of crazy stories going on. Allbirds is now an AI company.
Speaker 1:Snap is restructuring the entire company. Amazon's buying GlobalStar. There's new info on Apple's new AI glasses. We're gonna take you through it all. So why are why am I not wearing a white suit?
Speaker 1:It's because although the market is at all time highs, I don't understand why. It it feels like there's never been more chaos in the markets. And I'm seeing a lot of a lot of companies that are under pressure, a lot of software companies that are under pressure, a lot of companies I know and love under pressure. But it does feel like the MAG seven is doing well and some of the bigger companies are doing well. AI is still a mega cycle.
Speaker 1:And there are exciting pockets of opportunity in the market, but Certainly. We'll be
Speaker 2:Allbirds is doing quite well.
Speaker 1:Yes. How much is it up today?
Speaker 2:714%.
Speaker 1:So we talked about this maybe last week. That's an insane gain for a single day. But they're completely changing the business model. The Financial Times has a hilarious article Alphaville. Alphaville has great headlines.
Speaker 1:Allbirds is turning into an AI compute provider because of course it is. And it goes through what's happened over the last few years, few months. There's been a lot of twists and turns of this story, but we'll take you through it. So they start by saying, ah, zeitgeist. Allbirds is a San Francisco maker of wool trainers that was once valued at more than $4,000,000,000.
Speaker 1:That's pretty big for a direct to consumer shoe company. The same
Speaker 2:TC time darling.
Speaker 1:When it was growing and selling a lot of shoes, you know, Nike is a big company. It makes sense that if you could get a piece of that, maybe you could be multi billion dollar company.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And they were selling a lot of shoes. They were very on trend.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I think You them everywhere. The revenues into the hundreds of millions of dollars and you would see them everywhere.
Speaker 2:Bunch of owned retail.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. They definitely had some owned retail stores and were pursuing the hybrid online offline sales model. It was working. It was never it was never just like some completely hypothetical vaporware company.
Speaker 1:Like, they were real shoes. You could buy them and wear them. Was fine. But it was sold last month for $39,000,000 to American Exchange Group, the stock having slumped more than 99% since its flotation on the Nasdaq in 2021. And so look at this chart, Jordy.
Speaker 1:Very, very rough Yes.
Speaker 2:That is good.
Speaker 1:That is not good. Okay. But maybe the next plan is better. We'll figure it out. So the plan for the Shell listing is, quote, to pivot its business to AI compute infrastructure with a long term vision to become a fully integrated GPU as a service and AI cloud solutions provider in connection with this pivot.
Speaker 1:The company anticipates changing its name to NewBird AI. And so this was very unexpected. We can talk about where
Speaker 2:we are shareholder approval. Allbirds will raise 50,000,000 via convertible notes from an institutional investor. It does not identify. Okay. So they're gonna be able to get at least a few GPUs Yeah.
Speaker 2:For that. Maybe maybe they'll be able to plug them in. Maybe Yeah. Maybe a whole rack. Yeah.
Speaker 2:They could plug in a rack. But, yeah, big questions around where are they gonna get the compute? Where are they gonna get the the energy? Will anyone rely on will be willing to rely on them? Tons and tons
Speaker 1:of This feels like an institutional investor who says, I want to participate in this idea that even older GPUs are trading above par. And so GPUs are sort of gaining value. And they want in on that in some meaningful way, but they also want to wrap it in a public company that can sort of become a meme stock, essentially. And then basically everything else about the business will be different because the entire shoe business will be sold off. And and this is basically just a use for the of the ticker and the listing and the shell and then probably an entirely different team, entirely different strategy, entirely different everything basically.
Speaker 1:New name. So here's the schedule 14a that explains the pivot ahead of a shareholder vote on May 18. It adds, with respect to the renamed corporate entity, we are investigating potential opportunities in infrastructure market, including the acquisition and monetization of graphics processing units, related high performance computing infrastructure capable to support high workloads, whether from artificial intelligence and machine learning or other needs of potential future customers and other related assets. Also, because the anticipated electronics infrastructure business would be less focused on the public benefit of environmental conservation, which is stated in the company's certificate of incorporation, I guess Allbirds was a public benefit corporation because the wool was supposed to be more environmentally friendly. It was almost like an REI type brand.
Speaker 1:They are doing away with that, and so the stockholders are being asked to approve the charter amendment proposal to remove references to the company being operated for the environmental conservation public benefit. That is not gonna be popular with the Allbirds fan. Oh, boy. The announcement was enough to establish Allbirds as a meme stock at Pixel time when this went to print. The shares are up 774% at $21.76 a share to give the soon to be shell a market cap of slightly more than $184,500,000.
Speaker 1:And so I guess the question you have to ask is if this 50,000,000 comes in, they're able to buy GPUs, rack them, get some value out of it. Is that worth anywhere near a $184,000,000? It's a tough sell, but the market will figure it out over the next few days, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Dave Fortnoy.
Speaker 1:Hold on. Let let let let's hear from you.
Speaker 3:It's interesting. I mean, $50,000,000 is like not enough to like lease to a NeoLab. Right? Because that you you just like can't buy enough capacity. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So it is interesting. I I don't know who the actual like consumer of these GPUs will be.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, what about Maybe you could
Speaker 3:just like resell them on on open router or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. You could resell on open Just
Speaker 3:like you're running I
Speaker 1:mean, George Hots
Speaker 2:was talking He about, was talking about
Speaker 1:like he found a building that had cheap power and he was gonna just buy a bunch of GPUs and I think he was raising like 10,000,000 or 20,000,000 to do that and he was gonna sell the the tokens on OpenRouter profitably. And so there's there's a potential business model there. Also, yes, you probably couldn't sell to a NeoLab that's doing some huge foundation model training run, but there might be some company that's doing like fine tuning on some small model or doing some niche model. I mean, again, to go back to to George Hotts, like he had a a, you know, a couple racks of GPUs that he was training self driving cars on. And you have to imagine that there's lots of like long tail applications for for custom models that need to be trained that aren't as big, maybe.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean, so so is this is like essentially just a SPAC because you're just
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Everything is
Speaker 1:different. Yes. It's it's No. It's sort of already
Speaker 2:it already a public company and they're just adapt. They're doing like a massive pivot. I don't think they will make any progress at all. No. I think that it is entirely a meme.
Speaker 2:I woke up this morning, I was like, that is really funny, you know, taking the taking Allbirds became a meme. Yeah. Right? The company was basically dying, but the meme remained strong.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it it's kind of making Allbirds in some way just like became such a part of the uniform of Silicon Valley. It was something that Silicon Valley was mocked for and to take that corporate shell and make a mockery of our industry again feels feels quite fitting. And so anyways
Speaker 1:Is this the shoes?
Speaker 2:Even Dave Portnoy said, I don't get it.
Speaker 1:And he loves a meme stock.
Speaker 2:And he loves a meme stock. So
Speaker 1:Can we play this video?
Speaker 2:I have no idea how the actual stock will perform. Yeah. My understanding is like they sold off all of the Allbirds assets.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right? Yeah. So for $39,000,000, they sold it to American Exchange Group. Yeah. They got the domain.
Speaker 1:And so they're just kind of using the the D a quicker way
Speaker 2:to get the public ticker remained public and it was just sitting there. Mhmm. And I think a lot of people are sitting there talking to their friends being like, why did I not think to turn Allbirds into a Neo Cloud? Yeah. Why am I we we
Speaker 1:we It's got it.
Speaker 2:It's got We got a buddy a who's a very very smart investor Yeah. Who you could just tell wanted to slam his head into the table because he's, you know, spending all of this time trying to, you know, trying to pick real winners, invest in, you know, fantastic durable businesses Yeah. And all, you know, right in front of him was what in hindsight is like a very very obvious play. Yeah. Looking back at like the history of the last time this happened was Long Island Ice Tea.
Speaker 2:That's right. In 2017, December 2020 12/21/2017, the company announced that it was changing its name from Long Island Ice Tea to the Long Blockchain Corp and said it would shift its strategy toward ex exploration of an investment and opportunities that leverage the benefits of blockchain technology while keeping its beverage subsidiary. The stock surged immediately after the announcement amid crypto mania. Again, this was the 2017 cycle, coverage reported jumps of roughly 200% and some reports said it rose as much as 380% midday. And and and it basically then just started to like chop chop for a few weeks and ultimately faced various had a little run-in with the SEC.
Speaker 2:And insider trading charges ahead, you know, because of activity that happened ahead of the Pivot Yeah. Announcement. So I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar here.
Speaker 1:The Long Island Iced Tea Company was doing 4,000,000 in sales in 2017, something like that. 25 employees, like pretty small company back then and then just sort of wound down. The people are not are not very optimistic that this would work. Ben says, hopefully everyone understands whatever the Allbirds Pivot is, they will unlikely they will they they won't likely secure any power, any GPUs at reasonable scale and need a lot more money than this to even have a prayer. And you certainly see that with all the other Neo Clouds that show up on on ClusterMax.
Speaker 1:Every Neo Cloud that we talk to on the show is raising hundreds of millions of dollars and then debt on top of it and is usually has a lineage that traces back years, if not a decade, and has a whole bunch of interesting, you know, unique value props to actually whether it's the on the software side, on the deployment side, on the on the infrastructure side, on the energy side, actually going and finding power is very, very difficult and continues to be. But, yes, a lot of people are saying this is .com vibes. It is crazy. Sutrini says, can we please wait until we are at least 5% above previous all time highs to start doing this? And it does seem like this.
Speaker 1:If you sell shoes, pivot to a GPU cloud, I guess. And, negligible capital has the meme from Wolf of Wall Street. The name of the company, Newbird AI. It's a cutting edge AI native cloud infrastructure firm out of well, they used to be out of San Francisco making sneakers. But forget that, John.
Speaker 1:They are now awaiting imminent deployment of next generation GPU compute clusters that have both massive enterprise and consumer applications. Now, right now, John, the stock trades on the Nasdaq at about the price of a cup of coffee. And by the way, John, our analysts indicated it could go a heck of a lot higher than that. And John, one more thing, they're up just a 160% today. What a what a what a wild time.
Speaker 1:Mike Isaac says this is just going to be the default for any failing entity that owns a significant amount of real estate able to be converted into data centers. I'm waiting for the RB server farms. I don't know if that's what's happening here with real estate. I think it's more about the shell entity. The brand.
Speaker 1:No, not even the brand. I mean, brand
Speaker 2:No, the brand the brands like, there has to be a goofiness to it.
Speaker 1:Yes. For it to be To become a meme Yeah, to become a meme.
Speaker 2:Because I don't think anybody who's investing in this company Yeah. Actually thinks they will build a great
Speaker 1:Neo Cloud.
Speaker 2:Neo Cloud.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It is just that.
Speaker 2:We just we just have, you know, talked to so many of these of these companies Yeah. And there are a number of established players. In fact, they're already, you know, everyone expects the market for inference to be one of the biggest markets of all time. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that doesn't mean that that anyone that that attempts to build a business here will be successful.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, let's move over to Snap. Evan Spiegel, former guest of the show, two time in person guest.
Speaker 2:They're saying he went to Coachella and was like
Speaker 1:Right size the company. So he's laying off a thousand full time employees, is roughly 16% of the global workforce as part of an effort to reduce costs and achieve profitability. In a memo to employees Wednesday, Spiegel said the cuts are necessary for Snap to boost efficiency as it pursues profitable growth. He said improvements in artificial intelligence technology that lets Snap employees move more quickly. The company is also closing more than 300 open roles.
Speaker 1:Spiegel told staffers, many of whom were told to work from home on Wednesday, that the job cuts and pullback on hiring will reduce Snap's annualized cost base by more than 500,000,000 by the second half of this year. Snap estimated that total revenue rose 12% to 1,530,000,000 in the first quarter, so 6,000,000,000 in total revenue run rate. Adjusted earnings before, interest, basically EBITDA is 233,000,000 during the period. Snap shares jumped as much as 9% after markets opened in New York. Spiegel wrote a memo.
Speaker 1:He said, Last fall, I described Snap as facing a crucible moment requiring a new way of working that is faster and more efficient while pivoting towards profitable growth. Over the past several months, we have carefully reviewed the work required to best serve our community and partners and made tough choices to prioritize the investments we believe are most likely to create long term value. The stock is down 31% so far this year. And what's interesting is that it it is not really this this SaaSpocalypse narrative because even if you vibe code a Snapchat clone, you won't have the actual usage data, the network effect that exists. But the market has definitely turned on stock based comp and another of and and just is in the hunt for profitability broadly.
Speaker 2:Which, Of course, Snap has has never had a generated a single dollar of net income.
Speaker 1:When you include stock based comp. Right? Think I I think that always includes stock based comp. Yeah. And so EBITDA is positive, but they they issue a lot of stock to comp the employees, and that has that has weighed down on the share price because there's a lot of dilution.
Speaker 1:And while Spiegel is also working to sell a vision for augmented reality glasses, which company plans to debut later this year. It has leaned heavily on outside firms to power its AI offerings. Large arrivals are spending aggressively to build and develop their own state of the art AI products and infrastructure. The job cuts arrived just weeks after activist investor Irenic Capital Management took a stake in the company and called for swift changes in that memo that we, reviewed on the show a couple weeks ago, including a recommendation that Snap cut its workforce in hopes of boosting the stock price. Like many of your peers, you over hired, the investor wrote in a letter to Spiegel last month.
Speaker 1:Unlike your peers, you haven't course corrected. Spiegel's note to employees didn't mention whether the job cuts were related to Irenk's recent demands. Other major tech companies have slashed their workforces, including SnapRival Meta Platforms. Meta eliminated hundreds of jobs globally in March and shed roughly 1,000 workers from its Reality Labs group back in January, all while ramping up investments in AI. Spiegel suggested AI was one part of his decision for the cuts.
Speaker 1:While these changes are necessary to realize Snap's long term potential, Spiegel said of the cuts, we believe that rapid advancements in AI enable our teams to reduce repetitive work, increase velocity and better support our community partners and advertisers. And so the big question that I have generally is like what is the actual replacement rate? Like how much are they spending on AI? We saw that report from Uber that they blew through year of budget on AI tools in just a couple of months. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And a lot of people were sort of reacting to that saying like, well, I've used the Uber app for years. It doesn't feel like it's changing dramatically. Of course, there's manual workflows that internally might need to be done and AI might speed that up. But in terms of getting like net new applications, net new apps that people actually use and enjoy, that seems to be like the next opportunity for for real growth as opposed to just cost optimization. Dollars 400,000,000 deal with Perplexity is no longer happening.
Speaker 1:Guess that's been pulled back on.
Speaker 2:I really wonder why the Perplexity seen seemingly some very real growth Yeah. In their new product. Computer. There's been they've been sharing some of their the the increased revenue that they're seeing from that. But yeah, that was I think one of the things that yeah.
Speaker 2:What did what did in the Save Snap Now campaign Mhmm. That was one of the one of these suggestions.
Speaker 1:Was to pull out of that?
Speaker 2:Is to concentrate AI partnerships on clear winners like Gemini, OpenAI, and Anthropic.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 2:So they were not in favor. And again, seemed like Perplexity would be in a position where they would pay the most potentially for that distribution. And we'll see if they actually backfill that slot or just focus on Yeah. Ground tooling.
Speaker 1:So the full presentation is up now, which you can read through. After nine years of being a public company, fifteen years since being founded, Evan Spiegel finally decided to put a business plan together for how to reach profitability. And so you can go click through all of that. What else is going on? Oh, you wanted to talk about Anthony Pompliano's new Agentic podcast on Wall Street.
Speaker 1:The show is called Best Stocks and it's a 100% AI generated. Each episode is based off the agentic research articles. Synthetic AI content will be more popular than human created content, he says. And he had it covered in in Accident. I I could see it daily.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So so so a lot of people a lot of people are are Best Stocks is kind of a funny name because it's just like the most generic possible name for finance podcast. Yeah. What's your what's your finance podcast called? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Called Best Stocks. But I I think that historically, one of the main downsides of the podcast was that they always had this lag. Right? They were recorded, edited and then eventually published. But people and so like in some ways TV remained competitive as a place where you if you wanted to understand what was happening in the markets, you do on CNBC.
Speaker 2:Right? It's always on. You can always kind of get an update there. And so I think that like real time podcast that was part of part of what I think helped us get some traction early with the show was that we were publishing every single day. Yep.
Speaker 2:So it was like kind of a real time look into the markets. I think that this show, I haven't listened to an episode yet. Yeah. I'll try it on the way home. Given the popularity of I think this, there's like a real time like politics one
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:That that is done very well Sure. On Apple Podcast. I think that I I think that this show could find an audience. Right? It's basically Notebook LM.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But but a little bit more curated, probably a little bit more opinionated. Yeah. You don't have to like Wait. Prompting yourself.
Speaker 2:I I would expect this to get some level of traction of people just wanting to turn something on, understand in real time what's happening Yeah. And it uses obviously the existing distribution. So we'll see. But not as bearish as some of the the other people.
Speaker 1:Well, let's switch over to Amazon. Why is Amazon buying Starlink rival GlobalStar in an $11,000,000,000 deal? The race is heating up between Amazon and SpaceX. So Amazon's buying satellite operator GlobalStar in a deal that the company's estimated at about 10,800,000,000 seeking to build a business connecting consumer smartphones with satellite inter Internet connections. The deal would give Amazon's LEO satellite ventures a boost as advised with SpaceX's dominant Starlink network.
Speaker 1:The Elon Musk controlled satellite business has been launching satellites designed to connect to consumer devices and signing agreements with mobile carriers. Here's what's at stake. Amazon plans to launch new satellite to cell phone service in 2028. That feels far away, I guess it's only two years away. A big factor in the deal is GlobalStar's control over spectrum resources, which we've seen trade hands a few times now, which Amazon could use to provide satellite links to smartphones.
Speaker 1:Those wireless assets would enable a plan for Amazon to deploy its own
Speaker 2:John, brace yourself.
Speaker 1:Tell me.
Speaker 2:AST Space Mobile's down 10 and a half percent
Speaker 1:No way.
Speaker 2:Five days. Selling off.
Speaker 1:Selling off on this news. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe the the the people are worried about like a duopoly here. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Ben Thompson was talking about ASTS a little bit. Yeah. He said this isn't the only example of leading companies wanting to avoid being at the mercy of SpaceX. Verizon is at it again in terms of their own satellite service, doubling down on their investment in AST Space Mobile instead of coming to a deal with Starlink for not just better service, but service that actually exists. So AST AST Space Mobile is years behind.
Speaker 1:They don't have a constellation actually up and active yet, but they have plans to.
Speaker 2:They have concepts of a plan.
Speaker 1:What other company is the clear leader in that space? Well, it's the one that Ben Thompson expressed hope last year would lean into a SpaceX spark partnership, and that was Apple. And so he says the problem, he noted, is that it was hard to see Apple and SpaceX ever resolving who would actually be in charge. Apple clearly agrees because they are not only declining to work with SpaceX, I actually think they were the driving force in this GlobalStar deal. And so the battles between all the different tech companies continue to rage.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And a s AST SpaceMobile now has a heavily, heavily, heavily funded competitor in the same general category.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Right? Yeah. There was a moment where
Speaker 2:Like Amazon's not spending 11 and a half billion and then just gonna be like, alright, we're gonna like try to be really, you know, run this super
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Efficiently. They're gonna invest heavily Yep.
Speaker 1:In between the it's same distribution
Speaker 2:Blue Origin. Core Amazon business Yep. As they get to scale.
Speaker 1:Yeah. They don't have devices, and so they won't be fully vertically integrated. But it but what Ben Thompson's pointing out is that Apple might not want to have a single point of leverage there with SpaceX, and so they're balancing the two out. SpaceX's overall Starlink fleet numbers around 10,000 operational satellites. Elon had this cool chart of 10 to the zero, ten to the one, ten to the two, ten to the three, like the exponential every 10 x number of satellites.
Speaker 1:And they check them off at at Starlink HQ when they get to the next the next order of magnitude. And the company plans to launch thousands more in the years ahead. Starlink has deployed more than 650 satellites dedicated to providing connections to cell phones as of the end of last year, connecting more than 12,000,000 people according to the company. GlobalStar operates a network of satellites and in recent years has provided Apple with satellite links to support features for iPhones. Apple's service allows users to send text messages, call emergency assistance, and seek roadside help in areas where cell phone service isn't available.
Speaker 1:And the GlobalStar service has always been slower than it's high Earth orbit, so it's a lot slower than a Starlink connection. But they are already working with Amazon to figure out the next iteration of that. So Amazon said Tuesday that it agreed to a deal with Apple to power satellite services for its iPhone and Apple Watch and and to work together on future satellite services using LEO's growing network. GlobalStar has separately been working with Canadian satellite maker, MDA Space, to develop new satellites that GlobalStar would own with capacity dedicated to Apple. So GlobalStar's global spectrum rights became more valuable as SpaceX and Apple began more aggressively using satellite links to connect phones.
Speaker 1:So connecting cell phones through satellites is still a nascent market. Most consumers who live in urban areas get links through traditional telecom providers. Carriers that have struck satellite to smartphone deals, have promoted them as ways for consumers to always have some degree of Internet connectivity in remote areas. SpaceX, of course, has a rocket advantage. They have a fleet of Falcon nine rockets, to build Starlink into the building biggest satellite fleet in history.
Speaker 1:Amazon has been splashing out billions of dollars to other launch providers, include including ULA and Blue Origin to build up the LEO network, but delays have slowed Amazon's effort. You have a take? Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean, I I I wonder how, like, smoothly this will lead into space data centers. Because I I know Blue Origin has talked a little bit about doing that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think they they got some they got some permission from, I think, I think the FCC. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I it seems like this is the very like, this is the natural endpoint. You're basically just, like, doing similar things to to to Elon.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I was I was reading I think Ben Thompson mentioned it about GlobalStar's, like, original GlobalStar's assets are all things considered pretty middling, 24 satellites nearing the end of their fifteen years lifespan. So they only have 24 satellites up there, and they use a bent pipe architecture, which is signal relaying only, no onboard processing. So I think it's actually just a reflector dish. I don't I I'm not for sure I'm not sure exactly how this works, but that's that's what it seems like.
Speaker 1:I I mean, maybe there's I mean, he's saying there's no onboard processing. I'm not exactly sure how detailed that is. I wanna
Speaker 2:is reminding me why did Allbirds not kind of rally their pivot around space data centers.
Speaker 1:They should've. Yeah. Yeah. Why are Huge. Why are they doing data centers when when, you know, compute on the ground.
Speaker 2:Lean into the new meta.
Speaker 1:Yeah. New meta for sure. Maybe. Yeah. Who knows?
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