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While the media is telling us not to worry about the train derailment and that the air and water are safe, a much more frightening picture is forming. “We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open,” said Sil Caggiano, a ha...

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While the media is telling us not to worry about the train derailment and that the air and water are safe, a much more frightening picture is forming. “We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open,” said Sil Caggiano, a hazardous materials specialist. How serious is this disaster? Is it truly a Chernobyl level of danger? Why did the government choose to light the chemicals on fire? We'll explore all this and more on today's show.


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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.

Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.

After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.

He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.

Seth Holehouse:

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Mulhouse. So you've probably seen the news or at least some stuff going around Telegram and Twitter about this massive, massive disaster in Ohio. And so I'm gonna be digging into in today's show what exactly happened to with this train derailment and the controlled burn of these highly toxic chemicals. So what happened, what it really means, what the media is telling you, what like NPR and the mainstream media wants you to believe about the story, but what's really happening behind the scenes.

Seth Holehouse:

And then there's other some very strange and almost sinister connections to other things that we're gonna be digging into. So this is gonna be a pretty incredible show. And also, it's my first, you know, kind of solo show in quite some time. So I'm happy to be here one on one with you. Enjoy the show.

Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

Alright, folks, let's go ahead and dive into this story and I've got a great Twitter thread to show you here. So this is from Anthony Capassa. So I'm just gonna read through because this Twitter thread walks through a very good overview of what exactly happened. And actually before I jump in, I'll tell people, people have asked me, they said, Seth, is this affecting you and your family? So we're about two hours away from this.

Seth Holehouse:

We're South, so we're Southwest, so we're not downwind from it thankfully. But it's crazy because actually I was talking to my wife Kate today and she said, Seth, actually the past couple of days when I've been outside, I thought I smelled chlorine, which is exactly what this is. And so again, you know, yes, are we close enough to be affected by this? Absolutely. Am I worried about it?

Seth Holehouse:

Yes, I am. But you know, you can only do so much. So anyway, let me go and dive into this Twitter thread. Okay. So East Palestine, Ohio, what happened?

Seth Holehouse:

On Friday, February 3 about 50 train cars became derailed around 9PM causing a huge fire almost immediately officials began evacuations nearby. So East Palisade, Ohio has about 4,700 local residents, but what the train contained is what alarmed local officials and caused Ohio Governor Mike DeWine to issue an urgent evacuation notice on that following Sunday, warning of a catastrophe and deadly shrapnel for those within a one mile radius. So he's saying, look, if these things blow up, you don't want to be close to it. So evacuations were ordered immediately and the National Guard was activated to assist with evacuations. The biggest danger was what the train cars had inside, hazardous materials specifically vinyl chloride.

Seth Holehouse:

This is where the chaos truly began. So he links here to an NPR article, which I'm gonna jump to really quick because this helps frame what's happening. So this article in the NPR, Ohio crews conduct a controlled release of toxic chemicals from derailed train cars. Now this is where it gets disturbing. Crews in Ohio began to release hazardous chemicals from five cars of a train that derailed amid fears of a catastrophic explosion on Monday at the site near the Ohio Pennsylvania border.

Seth Holehouse:

What officials called, also called a controlled explosion began on Monday afternoon with reports of a loud boom and large plume of black smoke scene. So quote, We know the smoke looked alarming, but we're being told that everything was carried out according to plan. And quote, Pennsylvania's emergency management agency said on Monday evening. The agency said that environmental monitors had quote detected nothing alarming in air and water measurements. Right.

Seth Holehouse:

This is disturbing folks as as we get into what this really means and the disaster disaster of this, and the cancer and the death this is going to be causing, the fact that they say the agency said the environmental monitors. So here it is our government telling us there is nothing alarming in the air and water and water measurements. So Pennsylvania's governor urged those within the evacuation zone to stay inside because this is on the border of Ohio and Pennsylvania. Scott Deutsch of Norfolk Southern Railroad said the release process entailed creating a small hole in each one of the tank cars and allowing substances to go down into a pit and when is then lit on fire. We're so says we're doing these controlled we're doing this so we can control these tank cars that we have concerns with.

Seth Holehouse:

So, yes, you heard the article right. They're the ones lighting this on fire. And so I'll give you just a brief explanation of this and why do we it and we'll dig into it more. Basically because they don't want these tankers, you know, these tank carts to explode, right, from the pressure inside. And so they're letting it out and they're burning it off, right?

Seth Holehouse:

So that's, so it's a controlled burn. So this was them. There's some guy there that had some sort of lighter or sparking device that literally lit the fire, which is causing the black smoke that you're seeing. Now, I want to show you a video that I found absolutely astounding. It's something that Stu Peter shared on Twitter.

Seth Holehouse:

Just check this out. This is insane. This shows how much smoke this is emitting. So just watch this. I apologize for the people that are watching via or listening because you can't see it obviously, but it's just it's a it's an insane video of the smoke plume.

Seth Holehouse:

So just watch this video. I'll play it twice for you. Absolutely astounding. So back to the threat. Officials stated it was important to release the hazardous material or risk an even bigger risk via a catastrophic explosion.

Seth Holehouse:

The materials would be controlled that would allow, sorry, the materials released would be controlled that would include vinyl chloride, phosgene and other combustible liquids. Time was of the essence. So on Monday, crews began the controlled explosion releasing into the air hazardous chemicals. Officials warned any residents within the one to two mile radius that if inhaled chemicals could be deadly cause skin burns or serious lung damage. The controlled explosion was seen dozens of miles away and people as far as 10 miles away said they could smell chlorine in the air.

Seth Holehouse:

So as I mentioned, you know, we're over a hundred miles away from this and my wife was smelling chlorine in

Speaker 2:

the air where we're at. Okay, so here they're saying that people as far

Seth Holehouse:

as 10 miles away, well, this is much, much further. So, the officials told residents that the air and drinking water were safe, but videos are surfacing. So recently some locals as far as five miles away say they began seeing fish in the water belly up and officials began to state some wildlife were affected. So here's some news coverage of talking about the fish in the videos. So there's another video I'm gonna play for you here.

Seth Holehouse:

He says this video is extremely important to understand what happens with the mixing of chemicals that were released, specifically what happens when the chemicals meet water. So this is a three minute video, and I think that you're gonna want to watch this. So I'll play this for you.

Speaker 2:

This hasn't been getting a lot of coverage and the coverage that it has been getting hasn't been very good. So let's talk about the trail derailment in East Palestine, Ohio. East Palestine is about an hour north of Pittsburgh, almost halfway to Cleveland. Norfolk Southern has a rail line that goes right through town, and this derailment happened right on the edge outside of town on the border of PA and Ohio. Of the cars that crashed, fine for them contained vinyl chloride.

Speaker 2:

It's a monomer used to make PVC. The reporting on this has gotten vinyl chloride confused with polyvinyl chloride, the polymer made out of vinyl chloride. Now the reason that this distinction is really important is vinyl chloride is very hazardous and very flammable. Polyvinyl chloride is a plastics that's used in like everything. Another thing about vinyl chloride is that it boils at eight degrees Fahrenheit, so it's shipped in its liquid form.

Speaker 2:

Meaning that when these trains crashed and these started leaking, they weren't just leaking liquid, but they were spewing boiling gas. So vinyl chloride is really toxic. OSHA has the permissible limit of how much you can be exposed to it during an eight hour shift as a one PPM part per million average over eight hours. So prior to this, the biggest spill of this chemical was in New Jersey where one train car and about 23,000 gallons of vinyl chloride were spilled, but it didn't catch on fire. Now this crash in Ohio has five train cars.

Speaker 2:

These kinds of tanker cars can carry between twenty five and thirty three thousand gallons. Let's call it 250 to 250,000 pounds of vinyl chloride. That's per train car, five train cars. There's maybe a million pounds of this toxic chemical spilling into the ground and also boiling off into the air. But then it caught on fire.

Speaker 2:

I think this is where the reporting is really bad because no one is mentioning what the byproduct of vinyl chloride burning is. Of the many byproducts of burning vinyl chloride, one of them is hydrogen chloride. Hydrogen chloride is really unstable and latches onto water, like just water vapor in the atmosphere, and that turns into hydrochloric acid. So right now, government officials, officials from the railroad, both the governor of Pennsylvania and Ohio are calling burning off the million pounds of this stuff a success, but not mentioning that it means that we have hundreds of thousands of pounds of acid in the air potentially. Now ever since engineering school, I've studied a lot of industrial accidents.

Speaker 2:

I just find it really fascinating and organizations like the chemical safety board, NTSB, and OSHA all have like really good reports available to the public. I think as a designer, it's really good to learn about mistakes. When looking at these kinds of industrial disasters across time, there are a couple of things that are pretty universal across all of them. One, the responsible party in this coast, Norfolk Southern Railway, always plays down the reality of the situation. Politicians also just repeat the same lines, and then news outlets just repeat the same.

Speaker 2:

So all we're hearing is the responsible party's word.

Seth Holehouse:

So that's really important what he says in there that all we're hearing is the responsible party's word. And that's important because, well, look at what's happened with the, with COVID and everything around that. Were we really hearing what we should be hearing or what we're hearing what the advertisers wanted us to hear, what the big corporations wanted us to hear. And so and also Norfolk, the train company, guess who actually had the biggest shareholders? Actually, believe it's BlackRock, Vanguard and JPMorgan Chase companies that also own all the media.

Seth Holehouse:

So imagine that, right? And guess what? They also own large parts of the pharmaceutical companies. So, you know, make up your own mind, folks. Alright, so continuing with the thread.

Seth Holehouse:

So here's another video where the authorities are seen collecting dead fish from rivers surrounding, East Palestine, Ohio. You can audibly hear when the person recording asks if officials are scooping out the dead ones and they reply trying to. National media has not been talking about this story and the potential massive consequences the release of the toxic chemicals could mean for locals and neighbors, but some politicians are sounding the alarm. The US media has been distracted with UFOs. That's the thing for folks, just a quick side point.

Seth Holehouse:

Whenever you see that there's a topic or an idea that completely consumes the mainstream public and you turn on whether it's CNN or even Fox News and New York Times, whenever you see those things, it's almost always a slight of hand distraction. They're saying, look at this, don't look at this. Right? Look at the UFOs, Don't ask about the Epstein client list. Don't ask about the Chernobyl disaster in Ohio.

Seth Holehouse:

Okay. So anyway, folks, so continuing, what are the actual ramifications of this? Does it mean that, okay, well, you're within 20 miles, it could be bad for you? Does it mean that if you're within a couple hundred miles? So keep in mind, okay, on this chart, so and I apologize for the audio listeners.

Seth Holehouse:

Here we have a map. Okay. And on the upper right hand corner of Ohio, you see right on the river, right, the river system there is that red dot. That's where this disaster happened. Okay, this feeds into, like listen to this, the Ohio River right at the blast site, and this is from ProudOnMeBrat on Twitter.

Seth Holehouse:

The Ohio River right at the blast site is the third largest discharge artery in which volumes of its water flow to millions of people. It connects with the Mississippi River. This explosion is a crisis of massive proportions. Okay. So here's another report saying that 30 million people may be in danger by the East Palestine disaster through poisoning of the water system.

Seth Holehouse:

So here they say thirty million people or ten percent of The United States population may be in danger after this train derailment. A, there's a video that was going around, this is a guy named Sil Cagiano, who I tried to get ahold of for the interview here, but he is a hazardous materials specialist and former fire chief in Youngstown, Ohio. He said, quote, We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open. That was his quote. There's also a lot of other information coming out of people that have their their animals are dying, their chickens are dying.

Seth Holehouse:

There's a guy saying, you know, his foxes were dying, the animals are faces are swelling up, they're vomiting uncontrollably. I also today in some of the reporting and kind of researched for this, I contacted a woman and talked to her because I was given a number through someone on telegram. So thank you for that telegram. And this is a woman who was an environmentalist and she lived in that region. She lived, I think she said seven blocks from where the train derailed at.

Seth Holehouse:

Now, she left immediately. As soon as this happened, she left. She got out of Dodge. She knew what it meant. But she was saying that she was talking to some different businesses that were close to pencil, you know, close to that region in Pennsylvania that were more downwind of it.

Seth Holehouse:

And she was talking to one of the managers of particular factory there and that they kept their fact, they reopened their factory because the government said, Okay, hey, it's safe now if you're in this region. The guy she was talking to, she said was pale as a ghost and he just got done vomiting. And he said that a lot of people at this factory were also very, very sick. So people are getting sick. There's other reports from people talking about family and friends in that region that are also getting sick.

Seth Holehouse:

Now, you have to ask ourselves, what's this vinyl chloride? Is it bad? Is it carcinogenic? Well, let's go to the National Cancer Institute. Let's see what they have to say about vinyl chloride.

Seth Holehouse:

Now keep in mind, you never know this, who knows, this could be scrubbed by tomorrow off the internet because they really have to cover their tracks. So, okay, what is vinyl chloride? How people are exposed to vinyl chloride? So, so what is vinyl chloride? Okay, vinyl chloride is a colorless gas that burns easily, it does not occur naturally and must be produced industrially for its commercial uses.

Robert Kiyosaki:

It's

Seth Holehouse:

primarily used to make polyvinyl chloride PVC, plastic you're probably very familiar with PVC pipes, etc. It's also a is also produced as a combustion product in tobacco smoke. That sounds great. Okay, so how are people exposed to it? They talk about workers, but what they say here is if a water supply is contaminated, vinyl chloride can enter household air when the water is used for showering, cooking or laundry.

Seth Holehouse:

So if your water is contaminated with this, right, which we just showed you that chart or the map of America showing how this could be contaminating up to the water of up to 30,000,000 people. They're saying that if your water is contaminated in this, that the actually your water coming in, it'll enter the air, so you could be breathing in vinyl chloride while you're taking your hot steamy shower. Okay. Now, the next thing is which cancers are associated to with exposure to vinyl chloride? Right.

Seth Holehouse:

It's important question. Okay, what happens if you get exposed to it because the government and the environmental agencies are saying that it's actually okay, don't worry about it. Those fish, ah, don't look over there. What's the Cancer Institute say? They say quote, Vinyl chloride exposure is associated with an increased risk of a rare form of liver cancer, as well as primary liver liver cancer, brain and lung cancers, lymphoma, and leukemia.

Seth Holehouse:

So it's not that bad folks. I mean, it's just, you know, a couple of your organs in your brain and your body and your bones. So this is this is what this stuff does. Now look, folks, I'm not trying to be an alarmist here and say that we're all screwed. And if you live in that area, you got to move.

Seth Holehouse:

As I mentioned, look, we live, you know, a little over 100 miles away. We're not going anywhere. I'm not going to uproot my family for something like this, because I think that there's gonna be many of these coming to pass. But the key is that we have to understand this information. We have to know what's really happening.

Seth Holehouse:

We have to know what the government, what the media is covering up and not showing us. Which reminds me to ask you that if you're watching or listening to this, please press pause and send it to a friend or two. This is important information. And I'm so shadowbanned. I'm so shadowbanned on Twitter, of course, but so shadowbanned on the other platforms that when you do that and when you help share this content, it really helps me to reach more people, which I am extremely grateful for.

Seth Holehouse:

So jumping back in to the article here, Here's a quote I wanna pull up. Here's a tweet from Comfy. This is an important tweet. She says, Do you guys realize how much farmland is in Ohio? There are 75,000 farms, 90% of them are family farming operations.

Seth Holehouse:

There was just a toxic chemical incident there that was intentionally released with barely a whisper. This has untold direct food supply chain impact. Such an important point because if we've now got this hydrochloric acid that's going into the sky, so it's like, okay, what they do? They took this contamination and they took it from being ground and groundwater, etcetera, and they burned it all. So now it's going into the sky.

Seth Holehouse:

So we're gonna have acid rain, all this. So who knows what this is gonna do to our crops. Again, especially Ohio. Yeah, Ohio is really, you know, part of the breadbasket of America in our ability to produce crops and a lot of staple foods that we produce, especially for animal feed, etc. Are coming out of places like Ohio with the water systems, obviously, that we need to grow these plants in Ohio.

Seth Holehouse:

So what happens there? I don't know, but it is a good time, it's a good remind to but it's also a good time to remind you folks to make sure that you've got your storable food. And look, I'm not just saying to sell you something. Trust me. I will only recommend something if I truly believe it's something that I think you should get.

Seth Holehouse:

And if it's something that I myself have, like I've got a whole closet full of heaven's harvest. And so what we're looking at is we have this train derailments, which are multiple of those. We're having the factories that are burning down, the birds that are being called, the avian flu, the, you know, the the chicken feed, which is stopping the chickens from laying eggs, which I had, you know, one of my readers or one of the listeners actually emailed me and said, actually, yeah, I had my chicken stop laying eggs completely. And then I switched off of the Purina and Tractor Supply, and I got local feed and boom eggs came back. And thankfully, you know, we get our feed from Amish country, and we just buy organic feed by the ton in Amish country, and so we weren't affected by that.

Seth Holehouse:

But folks, by now it should be obvious there is a deliberate plan to attack our food supply. There's never been a more important time to make sure that you have enough food for you and your family. I would recommend personally at least three to six months, at least three to six months worth of food stored. And if not, you know, better is much more. And more is much better.

Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

But you know, one of the questions and I don't have the answers here for you as was this intentional? And I don't know. I would say there's part of me that says, Yeah, there's absolutely a chance. Right? When you know, had Doctor.

Seth Holehouse:

Andrew Huff on recently, he said, Yeah, all these food factories are burning are the exact same food factories I put into a report ten years ago, which which basically laid out how to collapse a food system in America. And so if you look at these the train derailments, the fact there's actually been I think this just today, was a derailment in South Carolina, I believe, a derailment in Texas, potentially hazardous. And so is there a grand conspiracy here to use this to intentionally collapse our food supply and to intentionally poison us? Look, maybe five years ago, I'd say, I don't know. But these days, you know, truth is you seem to be stranger than fiction.

Seth Holehouse:

But as we're getting into fiction and nonfiction, perhaps you've heard of the term predictive programming. So predictive programming is something where before an event happens, it will be shown to us. Right? The Simpsons was very famous for its predictive programming. They predicted Trump coming down the escalator.

Seth Holehouse:

There's a lot of major predictions that that Simpson's made beforehand. It's eerie how they're able to do this. But there's there's different reasons people say, well, it's part of the, you know, the kind of Satanism that they have to show you something before they're gonna do it. I'm not sure what, but there's a lot of strange coincidences. And so let me show you a scene from a movie.

Seth Holehouse:

Okay. So there's this movie called White Noise, which was released on Netflix recently. So this movie is literally about a train derailing in Ohio, full of toxic chemicals that causes mass panic evacuations and apocalyptic doomsday outcomes. And this movie came out in 2022. Me show you a maybe a sixty second clip from this movie of the what the event in the movie.

Seth Holehouse:

Okay. So let me play this for you really quickly here. This is about a sixty second clip. Pretty intense. And that end of that that black plume, that was almost the exact same video I showed you that Stu Peters showed.

Seth Holehouse:

Insane, but it gets even more crazy folks. And I hate, you know, I hate going to CNN by a guy, show you this article. It gets even more insane. So let me pull this up for you. Okay.

Seth Holehouse:

CNN. This is insane folks. After a train derailment, Ohio residents are living the plot of a movie they helped make. So listen to this. When Ben Ratner's family signed up in 2021 to be extras in the movie White Noise, they thought it would be a fun distraction from their day to day life in blue collar East Palestine, Ohio.

Seth Holehouse:

Ratner 30 7 is in a traffic jam scene sitting in a line of cars trying to evacuate after a freight train collided with a tanker truck triggering an explosion that fills the air with dangerous toxins. In another scene, his father wears a trench coat and a hat while people walk across an overpass to get out town. Directors told the group they wanted them to look forlorn and downtrodden as they escape the environmental disaster. This is the insane thing. Netflix produced a movie about a train derailing with toxic chemicals blowing up and spewing into the air.

Seth Holehouse:

The train was based in Ohio and the extras for some of the extras in the movie were people that lived in East Palestine, Ohio, and they were actually in the film about the train derailment and the gas explosion. I mean, it's I don't even know what to say. And make what you will of it, but this is absolutely insane. So I will continue to be following this. You know, I'll give you some updates as I find them.

Seth Holehouse:

Make sure you follow me on Twitter, Telegram, because I'll be sharing a lot of the updates I have on there. And again, I can tell you that my family as of right now, we're healthy, we're alive and well. We're getting ready to start our spring planting and everything. So, you know, life is is great. Just don't look up.

Seth Holehouse:

So alright, folks. Have a wonderful rest of your day. It's been great to join you one on one like this. It's been a little while. Let me know in the comments what you think about it.

Seth Holehouse:

Let me know in the comments if you want me to do more of these one to one shows because it's kind of fun. And it allows me to talk a little more and share my perspective and cover some of the more breaking topics that I can't always get a guest on for. So alright, folks, remember to like this video and share it with your friends and family. Thank you all. Have a wonderful day.

Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

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