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The Silvercore Podcast explores the mindset and skills that build capable people. Host Travis Bader speaks with hunters, adventurers, soldiers, athletes, craftsmen, and founders about competence, integrity, and the pursuit of mastery, in the wild and in daily life. Hit follow and step into conversations that sharpen your edge.
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Today, we're joined by a former third
battalion parachute regiment soldier,
special forces, counter terrorism
expert and base jumper extraordinaire.
He's led a life defined by
bravery, determination, and an
unyielding thirst for adventure.
We'll explore the mindset required to
face danger head on, the lessons learned
from life on the edge and the deep
connection between courage and adrenaline.
Welcome to the Silvercore
podcast, Jamie Flynn.
Jamie Flynn: Hey, thanks for having me.
That sounds like a really interesting
Introduction, he sounds like a good dude.
There you
Travis Bader: go.
Uh, good guy for sure.
So you've got, you know, I'm, I look
at your social media feed and I'm
envious of some of the very cool
things that you're doing out there.
You're jumping off the chief
in a, in a squirrel suit.
You're, uh, Uh, and base jumping, uh,
doing a lot of these high adrenaline
things, which I don't know if I'd ever,
you know, I, I enjoy pushing myself.
I don't know if I'd ever
find myself in doing that.
You never know.
We'll see.
But I'm curious about your
background and what kind of led
you to this adventurous lifestyle.
Where'd you grow up?
Jamie Flynn: Well, I grew up in a
really crap area in England called
Slough, uh, it's just outside of London.
Yeah, it's a really rough neighborhood,
um, come from a really bad council estate.
Yeah, it's pretty rough.
Uh, yeah, we come from, as
you'd imagine, a broken home.
My family all broke up pretty young.
Um, yeah, it's pretty rough.
It's not the best upbringing, I'll be
honest, and my parents broke up when
I was like, nine, and I was actually,
weirdly enough, it's not actually
funny, yeah, my real mum dropped me on
the side of a highway, and then I got,
with a black bin bag, and a, another
truck driver pulled up, and got out,
and he was like, what are you doing?
And I was like, well, Oh, my
dad works for this company.
And I was like, how the
hell did this happen?
So yeah, he calls, uh, he calls
them on the, this old CB radio.
And they, however, they managed
to get this phone call to happen.
They got my dad on the phone
and, um, yeah, pretty sure.
And then I moved in with my dad
pretty shortly after, but he was
a long distance truck driver.
Wow.
And that's how my.
Life started was, you know, just
being abandoned by my biological mum,
um, and then moving in with a woman
who worked at my dad's company, uh,
who was the secretary at the time,
and Yeah, my dad and her didn't
have a relationship at the time.
So how old were you?
I was nine or just turning 10.
So that's
Travis Bader: about 20, 26
years ago, almost on the date.
I think if, uh, Facebook
Jamie Flynn: was right.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was, it was like
two days ago or something.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Does that something that, uh,
that date comes up and it sticks
Jamie Flynn: in your head?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, it's a pretty unique date.
Cause it's, it's.
You know, you grow up and imagine
that you're, you know, you're gonna be
with your family and that's how it is.
But you're, you know, the person you
trust the most is actually the one that
abandoned you, you know, and that's
kind of weird and sticks with you.
And I think it's probably something
to do with how my life has turned out.
Um,
Travis Bader: Yeah, I'd think so.
I think that would have
some impact for sure.
Did you ever have any
communication with her after
that or was, is that what it was?
Jamie Flynn: A little bit here and
there, but like, it was so broken.
It's just, yeah.
Eventually I just was like, no, she,
she reached out a couple of times when
I was in Afghanistan and whatever.
And I'm not really interested,
Travis Bader: you know.
So as a youngster prior to that
happening, uh, Would you seek out risky
things or were you kind of more risk
Jamie Flynn: adverse?
No, I was, I had no interest.
Like, I was scared of roller coasters.
I was scared of everything.
Like, it was weird.
It was like, I didn't really get into
that much trouble until like, I got
into my teenage years and Um, that
lady that I lived with and my dad ended
up getting together, obviously that
normally happens, um, but, and then
we moved down to a place called, uh,
deal, which is just north of Dover.
Okay.
Yeah.
So it's a nice area and it was actually
kind of a cool place to grow up and I
got into skateboarding pretty young.
Okay.
Yeah.
And.
Skateboarding is one of those
sports where you can't just
pick it up and be good at it.
Not at all.
No, you have to keep doing it, you
have to keep falling over, you have
to keep smashing your face on the
ground, you have to keep hurting your
wrists and your ankles and your legs
and break bones and everything else.
It's one of those where it's just
like, you have to keep getting up
and over, doing things over and over
and over again until finally you can
actually do what you wanted to do.
Yeah, and I think that that's probably
where my mindset has come from,
being maybe a little bit angry from
where my, you know, childhood first
started to then the skateboarding
that gave me the tenacity of just keep
doing something until I've Got it.
And the focus
Travis Bader: and isn't that funny
that the adversity of just not being
successful at something and having
something like some people will find
that in the musical instrument, but it
doesn't seem to have the same end result.
You don't see a lot of special forces,
people who really like playing the guitar
or excellent floutists or pianists.
I mean, uh, ex Navy SEAL, Andrew Arabito.
I asked him, I said, like, if you,
Didn't go the route that you did.
Uh, what do you think you'd be doing?
He says, Oh, I'd probably be a pro skater.
And he's runs a company, half face blades.
They make knives and he's got his, uh,
half pipe and a little skate park inside
his building that they have there.
But, uh, uh, yeah, there, there definitely
is a, um, a resiliency that comes from.
From the failure, the
repeated failure and success.
Jamie Flynn: And skateboard
is one of those things.
I got a lot of friends that
were like skateboarders as kids
and are now successful in life.
And the weird thing is skateboarding
hurts, like really hurts.
It's not just like, Oh,
my feelings are hurt.
Like this actually hurts your body.
And therefore you're
like, you become tougher.
You become more like driven to
get what you need to do, you know?
And you do see people quit skateboarding.
And I did watch that when I was
growing up, like, Oh, this is too much.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I remember just being like,
no, this isn't too much.
This is awesome.
Travis Bader: But you
were like a badge, right?
You've got a broken arm and you've got
scabs all up and down your arms and legs.
And that's a part of the, uh, I guess
the, uh, the bravado or the pads
that you can wear with skateboarding.
I know I've, I got a electric
skateboard that I ride around on.
That's a lot of fun.
And, uh, a couple of long boards.
And this summer I thought, you know what?
I'm going to learn how
to do it ollie properly.
Still working on it.
Doesn't look good, but, uh, but working on
Jamie Flynn: it.
It doesn't have to look good.
You just got to be doing it.
You just
Travis Bader: got to do it.
So then, uh, so nine years old, I
had got into high school, started
skating and you said, I know what
I want to do, I want to enlist.
Jamie Flynn: Yeah, well, yeah, I wanted
to, it's weird, I wanted to be a Marine
first, just because I come from this
Marine town, and that's disgusting,
I'm really, I'm disgusted that I
literally even said that out loud.
I'm so glad I made a mistake.
Uh, no, I, I kind of like deal is
actually like where the Marines
used to be in, in England.
Um, so that was, you know, where I wanted
to, why I want to do, cause all these
adults and all, when I was in the cadets
and everything, they were all Marines.
And I was like, yeah,
this is what I want to do.
And I couldn't, I wasn't.
You know, I was 15, I couldn't put on
the weight, you know, that they required.
And I was like, wow, this is,
this is just not going to happen.
And then I watched a movie called Bravo 2.
0.
Oh, yes.
And the whole, which is a long story.
Cause actually now I'm friends with
Chris now nowadays, but it's quite
interesting how like that movie gave
me like an insight of wanting to join.
And then on there, some, you know,
one of the guys was an ex para and.
I looked into it, read the books
and I was addicted to like reading
all those books at the time.
Totally.
The power books started to come up
and then band of brothers came on and
I was like, well, you know what, like
you've seen saving private Ryan, they
get off the boat and they all died,
shoot, get shot out off the boat.
Or you get the guys jumping in the
parachute and she's like, I don't
know, 8% of those actually land.
I was like, Hey, I was like, Hey, you
know, and you get jumped from the sky.
Um, but the problem was around that time
I was like, I didn't like roller coasters.
Right.
I didn't like, like, how am
I going to do this adrenaline
filled life and be a soldier.
And, you know, when I'm
scared of everything.
Right.
And that I had no idea
what it's going to do.
So you were a cadet
Travis Bader: at what age?
Jamie Flynn: Uh, 12 or something, 13.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
And then you had your.
Pushed a bit, some challenges through the
cadet system and a bit of a flavor for
what the, um, uh, the forces look like.
Yeah.
Jamie Flynn: The soldier
inside of it was interesting.
Like, you know, I knew I, part of me
knew as a kid, like this isn't what
soldier is like, you know, but the
other kids that I was with believed it.
And I was like, I was like, yeah, I
can buy into this a little bit, but the
reality of life is a little bit different.
And maybe that's where like, Being
younger and having that, that, that
crap upbringing, especially from the
council states, like you have a real
understanding of be a bit more streetwise
than the nice people from deal.
Right.
You know?
So I, I come from my, my mindset
was slightly different anyway.
Um, and then when I spoke to one of the
Marine guys, but you know, the cadets
instructors about it, I was like, well,
what is it actually like, like, it can't
be just running around shooting guns all
the time because like, we're not a war.
Travis Bader: So, uh, I guess you
went to the recruiting office.
Did they give you one of those,
uh, train passes to go down and
spend a weekend with the, uh.
With the regiment and
see what it's all about.
No,
Jamie Flynn: I actually did this.
We had to do work experience at school.
That's part of the thing in the UK.
You have to do, uh, like a few
days work experience with something
to graduate when you're 16.
Um, and I managed to get my way
into the, uh, to the PWRR, or
what we like to call PW ha ha.
No, they were, they were
the local regiment and they
had this work experience.
So we go out on like a, a week exercise
with them and learn about soldier.
And I was like, now this
is more like, this is, a.
Big boy game now and, and all
the guys there were running us
around and, you know, just doing
field craft and basic stuff.
And I was like, okay, this is,
this is actually what I want.
So, and then every time I kept saying
like, oh, I want to be a power.
I want to be a Marine.
They were just like, they laughed at me.
Yeah.
And I was like, why are
you laughing at a kid?
I've read the books.
Go on.
Yeah.
I was like, how hard can it be?
Yeah.
And they then made us do this
like mile and a half run.
Yeah.
And the paras thing is like
nine thirties, like the cutoff.
And I think when I did the work
experience, I was way over that.
Okay.
Like way over.
And, and they were like, so
you want to be a para, but you
can't even make the basic time.
And I was like, yeah, yeah.
Nope.
Yeah.
And then I went home and I was pretty
distraught and said to my parents, this
is, you know, how am I going to do this
if I can't even make the basic time?
And uh, we looked up a triathlon club,
um, and yeah, I, I just didn't stop.
I was so focused on running this,
this mile and a half, uh, that got
it down pretty quick to nine minutes.
Yeah.
And I would go do the PT or our PE lessons
would always be at the top of a hill.
So we'd have to run, like walk from
the bottom of the hill to the field.
And then we'd play football or rugby
or whatever we're doing for PE.
And I decided that I'm now going
to run this hill every day for PE.
And I convinced one of my friends, David
to, I was like, Hey, this is a good idea.
Do you want to do it?
And he's just like, No.
They're trying to get these like
15 year old kids to come running
with me and um, anyway, like he,
he was, he was like, yeah, okay.
And then did it a couple of times a week
with me and then the rest I did it on my
own and over time I think I gained my.
Cardio up and, uh, went to the
gym and I started playing rugby
a lot more, uh, That'll help.
Yeah.
A lot of, and then
skateboarding harder and longer.
And I think all these things added
up to eventually when I did go to the
recruiting office and, and go in, I walked
in, I was like, I want to be a para.
I was like, Oh, thanks.
Like, why is everyone laughing at me?
And bear in mind, like I was super skinny.
I was probably like 70 pounds, piss wet
through, you know, it was just like it.
You know, you, you didn't
wait, you didn't look like it.
It was like, I didn't really
look that tough or anything.
And they were like, okay, if you,
if that's what you want to do.
And they, you're in the UK, they make
you pick three different regiments.
Yeah.
To, uh, where you want to go.
So like whatever your first, second.
choice.
And I was like, well, I
just want to be a parrot.
So I put first battalion, parachute
regiment, second battalion,
parachute regiment, third
battalion, parachute regiment.
That's awesome.
Um, they were like, you can't do that.
And I was like, I just did.
And they were like, okay, here, whatever,
you know, go down and see what you can do.
And when you, you know, when you don't
make that grade, um, we can always
come back and change those answers.
And I was like, wow, that's.
Yeah.
Thanks for the support.
Yeah.
I was like, why are you not supporting?
They're like, but you could do
PWRR, that's your local regiment.
And this is, and they were very
pushy on, on me joining that unit.
And they go, you can always go through and
do P company the other way and, you know,
do it later on and become a para that way.
And I was just like, well, there's
no way a unit that selects its
members are ever going to accept
people from a different regiment.
Right.
And I realized that, you know.
Travis Bader: They're just
feeding you a line just to
get you where they want to do.
Yeah.
Jamie Flynn: And I was
like, nah, you know what?
I'm going to stick with my guns.
I'm going to be like, I
just want to be a power.
So yeah, went down to per bright
and did our two or three day little.
And yeah, I wasn't at the front and
I wasn't at the back, I was in the
middle, but I made the grade and yeah,
Travis Bader: and it's like your doctor,
you go to the doctor's office, you look
on the wall, are they top of the class
or they just squeak through, they all
get the same certificate on the wall.
Yeah.
Jamie Flynn: Well, I definitely, uh, I was
shocked cause everyone was older than me.
I was 16.
Yeah.
I was definitely just like eyes wide open.
Like this is insane.
Travis Bader: Did you have a
goal in mind or you wanted to go?
I mean, like after reading the immediate
action, Bravo two zero tape books,
standby, standby, whatever it was sass in
the, in the, uh, the lights or something
Jamie Flynn: like that.
Yeah, I'd say like, you know, trying
to get in the SAS was probably one of
those goals, but I think every soldier
who joins has that goal quietly,
secretly in the back of their head.
Um, and then the reality comes
in later on in your career.
Okay.
Travis Bader: Um, so three pair
and that, so you said SFSG, would
that be what three pair is, or is
that a separate group within three
pair?
Jamie Flynn: No.
So when I joined SFSG didn't
exist, um, we just had the three
battalions in our reserve battalion.
Um, and we just, as you go through our
basic training, which is six months of
just training Randomness is the only way
I could describe it because it did seem
like it sets you up as very physically
demanding and, and every day was crazy.
They'd wake you up at three in the
morning, two in the morning, screaming
at you, just having you like box each
other in the middle of the night,
boxes, like we used to have like one
man, one mattress used to get shouted
a lot and everyone used to jump out
of bed, grab their mattress and then
you'd stand against the wall and take
it up and someone else would punch it.
There was a lot of stuff that was there.
We had corridor Olympics that was, they'd
have like four abreast in a little tiny
corridor trying to race each other.
Like there was some random stuff
like, uh, even, you know, around
this time, Bravo, like I said, not
brothers, a band of brothers was on.
So there's a really funny scene
in that movie that will stick.
To me, to this day, and it was when they
got spaghetti and they went down and they
ate it all and then they ran up the hill
and everyone was puking on the way out.
And I'm pretty sure my instructors must
have just watched that because they
were like, we're going to recreate this.
Like I'm pretty sure that's
what they were doing.
Fun.
Because one night we had spaghetti.
And I'm looking in it and I
was like, oh, this is sexy.
And the first guys came through.
And as we're coming into the line of the
cook house, they're dumping food on us.
And when they got to the end of
the line, the first guys just
had their food dumped in the bin.
So they didn't actually eat anything.
And I was like, whoa, that's weird.
And then they were told to run outside.
So the first couple of guys in
the line didn't get any food.
So I was just like, as soon
as it got dumped onto my
plate, I just started eating.
Yeah.
And we got to the lane and then just
got dumped out and I grabbed an apple.
Yeah.
That was just that I ran
outside and gave it to my buddy.
He was the first one.
Yeah.
And I got caught doing that.
Whoops.
Yeah.
They, oh, they were like, what
do you think you're doing?
Uh, just stood there and
they were like, no, no.
What were you doing?
I was like, Oh, I did.
I saw that he didn't eat
and I grabbed him an apple.
That's stealing.
Oh yeah.
That's stealing.
And I'm like, Oh fuck, here we go.
Yeah.
It's the next thing is we're
all push up position down.
We're waiting for everyone to think
everyone else is doing the same thing now
like eating their spaghetti as we go And
we're all doing push ups outside waiting
for the last ones to come out and they're
like no one ever steals from us You know,
and I was like, okay And I thought there
we go Now next thing is we go to this hill
and we're just like running up and down
this hill all night while everyone pukes
Yeah, and at that time it felt like it was
my fault because I was the one who stole
Yeah, theft, that's what it's called.
Yeah.
So now it's like, it's
not, it's not my fault.
Like they had a reason to punish us.
Yeah.
And I was that reason.
So.
Gotta love those mind
Travis Bader: games.
Jamie Flynn: And there was, there
was times where, you know, throughout
the, you know, my training, that
they would try and get rid of people.
You realize there was so many people
wanting to be paras, they need to weed
it down to, before we get to week 19,
which is P company, um, which is a
bunch of tests, but they need to weed
that, those numbers down and, uh, and
separate the, the men from the boys.
And all the way through, you'd
have people just leave randomly.
You come back to the block after
doing some PT and there's like.
Two beds missing, you know, or
two bed space packed up and gone.
So that was a unique feeling.
Cause I was, you know, I now
can't remember these guys names.
And I remember at the time that they
were really good friends of mine.
Right.
You know, and that's weird in my mind is
like, fuck, I don't remember those names.
Travis Bader: Well, you've
heard of, you've heard of
type one fun, type two fun.
Yeah.
Okay.
So this sounds like type two fun.
Like you can look back with fond
memories and say, look, there was a
good challenge and I made it through it.
But while you're doing it at the time,
did you recognize this as something
that you enjoyed or did you hate the,
Jamie Flynn: uh.
No, I hated this.
Like every single moment, like I
Travis Bader: hated this.
So how did you mentally
prepare yourself for each day?
Jamie Flynn: Uh, I just woke up and I
was like, okay, just get through the day.
And it was just one day at a time
and six months, uh, it's just like,
okay, another day, another day.
And it's just like, I was
like, eventually, you know,
these days will all be done.
Like I can't be here forever.
Right.
Even though at the time I remember
like I was 16, it feels like
I'm going to be here forever.
Travis Bader: That's a
big part of your life.
Six months at
Jamie Flynn: 16.
Right.
But it was even, it's different to that.
Cause I was actually, uh, we have a
thing called army foundation college.
So we're actually.
When I first joined, I didn't
go straight to the depot.
Yeah.
I actually went to this army
foundation college in Harrogate.
Yeah.
And we spend a year there learning
how to soldier, try and build up our
academic, you know, qualifications.
You're only 16 years old.
Yeah.
So they put us through some
schooling and whatever else.
And at that time is.
It's a year long.
And then at the end of that year,
then you've got another period
to go to the depot and actually
be an adult soldier as well.
So it's almost like a year
and a half of training.
So even though the first part of the
year, the college isn't as difficult,
you were expected a lot more.
Um, because if you said, oh, I want to
be a para, the standards, like you have
to be at this level all the time, but how
do you be at a level for an entire year?
Yeah.
You feel like giving up?
Uh, plenty of times, like during
the Harrogate phase, I never
thought about giving up because
Nothing was like too crazy hard.
Yeah.
And during that time I had, uh, an
instructor there called Brian Budd.
Um, Brian Budd later on went
on to win a Victoria cross and
he was actually my instructor.
And every single day he would come in and
he was very like stoic and, and would say
something, you know, inspiring, inspiring.
You're just like.
Wow, how do you, how are you so fucking
cool, but you know, and it was like
a figure that would then mentor you
through and it wasn't as aggressive
as depo and then I went to depo and
and then it's a different ballgame.
They like trying to get rid of you, yeah.
So the AFC is trying to build you up
to be a soldier from a 16 year old boy
and, and depo is trying to destroy you
and try and get you out of there so
they can select who they want out of
their, you know, selection process.
Travis Bader: Were there any pieces
of wisdom that you were given or that
you had that helped you through that?
Jamie Flynn: Just every,
you know, one day at a time.
That's it, eh?
Yeah.
I just remember that
just one day at a time.
And that's probably what stuck with me
in depo until I did want to give up.
Now, our crew or our depot crew,
when, when they, when you wanted to
leave, you could leave at any time.
You just had to fill out a
McDonald's application form.
I love it.
Yeah.
And I was like, this
is psychological abuse.
And to be honest, out of everything
that was hard, it was signing that
bit of paper to go to McDonald's
was actually the one thing that
kept me from not wanting to do it.
That's interesting.
And I remember going, I
didn't sign the paperwork.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I, what, there's another thing
you see that used to hang from
a, um, you know, pull up bar.
Okay.
So you'd knock on the door, you know,
I want to leave corporal and they're
like up on the bar, up on the bar
and then read through your McDonald's
application form to make sure you're good.
So were you up on that bar?
I was up on that bar.
How many times?
Once.
Okay.
Uh, but I didn't fill out the
McDonald's application form.
And they were like, you
haven't done anything.
I was like, I want to leave.
And I, I didn't fill it.
And so they're like shouting at me,
like, what the hell are you doing?
They're like, Flynn, get away, fuck off.
Yeah.
And I was like, okay.
So I go to the bar and ran off.
And then I got, uh, shouted
down that evening and it
was Brian Budd on the phone.
Yeah.
And he was like, what
the fuck are you doing?
And I was like.
I want to leave corporal.
He's like, why?
He's like, Oh, it's too hard.
It's too hard.
We talked about it's too hard.
Of course it's hard.
Like, you're going to be in
power without it being hard.
Yeah.
He goes, you managed to do Harrogate.
And I think you're, you
know, you'll be good enough.
Just, you got to believe in yourself.
And he goes, uh, just
look up at the corporal.
I looked up at the corporal and my
application to leave, he just ripped up.
And, and I was like, Oh, he goes,
uh, and then the phone hung up.
Awesome.
And that was that.
So to this day, the reason I was still
in paradepo is because of bright bud.
Wow.
And, uh, yeah.
And then my instructor at the
time, and he just looked at me
and he was like, Flynn, fuck off.
That is
Travis Bader: cool.
And
Jamie Flynn: so that's stuck with you.
That's stuck with me.
And I, and I remember that day.
And that's probably my weakest
moment I've ever been in my
life of failing and giving up.
And from that moment, I didn't, I
was like, I'm also pretty young, you
know, and I'm like, well, I'm not
even allowed to quit how I'm meant
to quit if I'm not allowed to quit.
And that, that psychological
thing stayed in my head.
And I was like, well, I'm
not even allowed to quit.
Isn't that interesting?
And then I just went day by day
and I better get through this then.
Travis Bader: Isn't that interesting
if quitting is an option that's on
the table, okay, it's always sitting
there in the back of your head.
If they take that option away, you
have no choice, but to continue
pushing through and things get easier.
Jamie Flynn: Oh, they do.
And I, like I gave up in the
mindset of like, I'm going to quit.
And I just went day by day.
And, and the only other thing
that stayed in the back of
my head is they can fail me.
So it's got to be them now who fail me.
Yeah.
And in my mind I was like, well,
I'm still scared of roller coasters.
I still haven't done any, you
know, and I'm going to have to
parachute at the end of this course.
Like, how am I going to learn
to parachute when I'm petrified?
And that, that stuck in my mind too.
And I was like, well, the only
thing I got going for me is that
they, they fail me and they, uh,
they let, they don't want me.
Travis Bader: Were you kind of
secretly hoping when things got
really hard, that maybe they would
fail you and that'd be an easy way
Jamie Flynn: out?
Yeah, sometimes.
Yeah.
Like when it was cold, wet,
hungry, miserable, it's snowing,
I was dug into a trench and.
You know, you're just
like, what am I doing?
Well, why am I even here?
Yeah.
And you're like, well, they might fail me.
And that it's just one of those things.
And I, but I refuse to lower my effort.
So it's like, yeah, they're going to fail
me, but you know what, if they're going
to fail me, I'm still going to stand there
and be like, I'm going out on my shield.
They've, you know, I put all the effort
I could, but they didn't, it just
wasn't good enough for their standards.
And that's how it, anyway,
it backfired and I passed.
Travis Bader: Oh man.
So gearing up for, for jumping, they, what
they work you through gradually higher
heights of zip on lines, and can I kind
of get me up to it and then out of plane
on a static line or how's that work?
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.
So you do, during peak company,
there's a bunch of events that happen.
This is our final like selection.
Um, and we have to do like 10
milers, 20 milers, and there's
a thing called the trinesium.
Which is a 60 foot scaffolding
pole, and there's a bunch of
different obstacles on there.
Like an illusion jump that is like
one set higher than the other.
So it looks further away.
Okay.
Yeah.
And you have to just like, you stand
there and you just look straight ahead
and the instructor's like, standby, go.
And then you just have to, as soon
as they say go, you have to move.
Yeah.
If you get one, uh, hesitation,
they'll mark you once.
And you have one more chance and
then you're done, you're gone.
So, uh, yeah, we, we did that and I just
was like, Oh, I'm not going to quit now.
So I just ran and jumped these things.
I was like, well, in my mind, I'm
like, there's no way that these
things are too far apart that
people can't physically jump them.
Hundreds of people have done this
before me and hundreds of people are
going to continue doing it after me.
Right.
So I was like, well, okay.
And then there's one
called the Superman jump.
Okay.
Yeah.
And it's a huge cargo net that I don't
know the distance from the actual
ledge to the cargo net, but you have
to run, jump on this like seesaw.
So you have to like step one
step and it puts you off balance.
And these things are only like
a foot wide and you have to keep
running and then eventually just.
Jump off this like ledge
arm out like a superman.
And then your arm goes through the
cargo net and then you just catch it.
Okay.
And I was like, Oh, Jesus Christ.
I don't want to do this.
Take some nerve.
Yeah.
And I remember just stood there.
I did everything else.
Like I was fine.
You, you get up to the top,
you touch your toes and yeah.
And you're like, whatever.
And then this Superman job
was like, I'm gonna fail this.
I just looked up and I was like,
as soon as standby, what happened?
I was like, okay, ready.
And I still thought I was going to fail.
And then when go happened, it just
like instinctively I was running.
And I was like, well, I
guess the training works, I
Travis Bader: guess so,
Jamie Flynn: I guess so.
And the next thing is I'm in
the air and I got my arm out.
And once I left that, that moment,
it was, a thing changed in me.
Cause after that, that week
of, uh, our selection, like.
I didn't feel I was scared of everything.
Was
Travis Bader: there a disassociation
perhaps at some of these stages there
where you're just, you just have to
disassociate the mind from what you're
actually doing until you can start
combining them and enjoying the process.
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.
And like, I never enjoyed peak on me.
I never enjoyed.
Depot.
I never enjoyed any of the armies, you
know, selection processes, you know, but
looking back now, I definitely enjoyed it.
You know, it brought me a lot more joy
than I thought it would at the time.
Travis Bader: Right.
So push you harder.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And you have a feeling of accomplishment.
Yeah.
And where other people quit, you
know, when it starts getting hard,
that's where people typically
end up just, okay, I'm done.
I'm quitting.
And that's what.
It separates the ordinary
from the extraordinary.
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.
And it sounds bad, but I got, I got
something out of watching someone quit.
So.
It's almost like I felt
they're like energy.
And then I just like, well, I watched
someone quit on a 10 mile run.
Uh, I'll boot, I'll boot March.
We'll call it tabbing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And as I, as we're tabbing, I watched
someone quit, like, I felt good.
It's almost like I got their boost, the
energy that they had left got into me.
And I was like, okay, cool.
I can go now.
Well, that's cool.
Yeah.
And it was like, oh,
clearly it didn't happen.
Well, in my mind.
Did
Travis Bader: it or didn't it?
I mean, if you felt that.
Jamie Flynn: I mean, I don't know.
Maybe I just felt a bit of like.
I'm still doing it.
And that's a 28 year old man.
Right.
I'm 16, 17, you know, like this is cool.
I can do this.
Yeah.
And then you watch someone else
quit and you're like, wow, he's 21.
Yep.
And I just kept getting the, like
the, the, the anyway I describe it
as like the energy of that person
and be like, okay, I can now keep
Travis Bader: going.
That's pretty cool because your mind is
the thing that's going to separate you.
You can go, you can endure a lot of
pain, but if you're giving up in your
mind, It sure makes it difficult.
I just think if I'm going up in
the hills and I'll just a tab, what
tactical advanced towards battle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just for the listeners.
Um, if I'm going out in the hills
and I'm having a bad day, there's
a lot on my mind and I'm having
all these fights in my head.
And.
I'm drained, I'm going up the hill, I'm
drained and I'm all this, everything
other than what I'm supposed to be
thinking about is going on in my head.
And it's a slog, but you do it.
And other days you go up there
and you're present, you're in the
moment and you're enjoying every
step and you're just flying up.
And if you can do that to yourself,
if you're in the drain, negative
nine place mindset, where you're
thinking about giving up, but
Hey, someone else's gave up.
I'm going to absorb their
powers or whatever it takes to
have that little mind shift.
I think that's a pretty cool observation.
Yeah.
Jamie Flynn: It's powerful.
Yeah.
I mean, and who knows this,
there might be a, someone else
who's more intelligent than I am.
Could probably tell you what that
actually is, but it's definitely one of
those, like, I still feel it today, you
know, when you're hiking up the chief
and you know, when someone's struggling
in front of you and then you get to
overtake them and you're just like.
I'm just going to walk a
little bit faster than you are.
That's right.
Yeah.
They feel drained.
They're like, how are you doing this?
And you're going.
Just keep going and look normal.
Travis Bader: Yep.
Jamie Flynn: In there.
Yeah.
So, uh, yeah, I, I think we all feel what
I'm trying to explain, you know, in maybe
different capacities, even in the gym,
you know, you're looking over and you're
like, okay, I'm gonna do one more rep.
That person's looking at me.
That's it.
I do
Travis Bader: running.
Okay.
I'm so tired.
I just going to take a break.
Nope.
Cars coming better run.
And that was always the game.
And if cars kept coming,
then I never rest.
Right.
But if I I'm tired and there's no
cars, that was my, okay, I can, I
can have a little bit of a walk now.
Right.
But just, uh, interesting.
So when, uh, working your way,
what was your first jump like?
Jamie Flynn: Oh, my first jump.
Jeez.
Okay.
What did we do?
Yeah, it was, it was out of a C130
and Yeah, it's weird because we go
to, we finish our training, we do our
pass and our parade, and then, uh,
you're meant to go to Bryce Norton
and do your jumps and then, you know,
then you become like a winged, like
paratrooper and everything else.
However, whatever was going on with
the C 130s at the time, probably
budgets or whatever, there wasn't
planes for us to jump out of.
So we got straight sent
straight to battalion.
Now, if you go to an airborne unit.
Yeah.
As a young recruit with no wings,
you are now a wingless bird,
so they call you a penguin.
So now for months, we were
known as these fucking penguins.
And it was like the moment I
thought like I've done all this
process, I knew I was going to be
back at the bottom of the pile.
I knew I'm going to have to like,
you know, earn the respect from the
guys in the battalion, especially
ones that are already, you know.
You've been to Iraq, been to Afghanistan,
or wherever they've been before, um,
and I turn up and I'm just like, I
don't even have wings on my arms,
you know, and now it's like, no, I
can't gain respect from anyone because
I haven't even got these wings.
Yeah, so we, I was in battalion
for a little while before that.
We even got to go on a jump course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And eventually by that point.
It didn't matter how scared I was a
jumper, I was like, I need these wings.
Can't be a peg.
I can't be a pegga anymore.
Like I'm not going back to
battalion without these wings.
So yeah, I don't really
remember the first jump.
I do remember not enjoying it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As most paratroopers would tell
you, they, they hate jumping.
Yeah.
Really.
Especially rounds.
Yeah.
I don't, I haven't met many power
troopers that like military jumping.
Okay.
Travis Bader: It's not
why it's too regimented,
Jamie Flynn: you know?
Well, getting in there
is fine, you know that.
When the person in front of you
starts moving, you're just moving.
You don't really hear
all the like standby go.
Um, and you just run out the
door and you just hit it.
And usually it's like 800 feet or,
you know, like operationally we can do
anywhere between 600 to a thousand feet.
What we do in the UK?
Yeah.
Uh, so I think on average we did
like 800 feet jumps and, uh, by
the time your parachute's opened,
you've looked where you are, clear
your airspace, lower your container.
Yeah, you're almost like five seconds from
the ground now and then you're landing
and you're coming down 12 feet per second.
So it's like jumping off a.
Really high wall, right?
Yeah.
No real, like nowadays when I bass
drum, like I have toggles that can flare
and I can tiptoe land and everything.
But, um, no, back then it's
like 12 feet per second.
It's like bang feet,
knees, head, everything.
Bang.
That hurts.
PTF.
Yeah.
PLF.
PLF.
That's it.
Yeah.
Parachute landing fall.
But you can do it.
You can practice all those PLFs all day.
But like.
Yeah, no, they
Travis Bader: put your feet together and
that's, and then what happens, happens.
Yeah.
I
Jamie Flynn: remember the saying,
they say feet and knees together
and hope for a good landing.
So yeah, that's good.
I, and even at that point when I,
you know, was parachuting, I never
thought that this was going to become
a major component of my life later on.
Yeah.
Travis Bader: So you got involved
in some counter terrorism work.
Jamie Flynn: Uh, yeah, so in free
power, I went to Afghanistan in 2006.
So I got my wings and I went back to
battalion and when we got told that
we were going on pre deployment and
that was, uh, that was really quick
and I was like, geez, okay, next thing
I'm in Oman and we're training out in
Oman, getting ready for Afghanistan.
Big thing at the point of Iraq
was all over the news, right?
Yeah, it was Iraq, Iraq, Iraq.
And I'm telling my parents
again, Afghanistan.
And they're like, Oh, okay, cool.
Yeah.
It was no, no big deal.
Like all my friends at home, like
no one really thought about it.
And yeah, they're like, okay,
Afghanistan, but the, the wars in Iraq.
Yeah, and it was, it was a unique thing
and we're like, well, we're going to
be the first real operational tour in
Afghanistan and no one really expected.
And I don't even think the battalion
expected what was going to happen
because we got issued Arctic.
Gear, we had like full snow white gear,
we had desert gear, we had jungle gear, we
had green, like, we had bags and bags of
gear just like, wow, loaded up and we were
like, what are we actually expecting here?
We had woolly, I don't even know
half the stuff we got issued because.
It was just stuff I'd never seen before.
And, uh, yeah, we, we, we went to
Afghanistan 2006 and, and landed
and anyway, it was a lot warmer
and we ended up ditching a lot of
the Arctic gear pretty early on.
Kidding.
Yeah.
So, but that, so the counter terrorism
thing all came later on in SFSG.
So it was that first deployment
as a young 18 year old paratrooper
was pretty unique because a lot
of things have come out of that.
Things like?
Things like, uh, the instructor that
I had who saved me from like actually
quitting the unit, uh, actually went
on to win a Victoria Cross in that,
in that deployment, the Victoria
Cross being like the highest gallantry
award in, in the UK and Canada.
Mm hmm.
Um, yeah, he did.
I think he pretty much saved
everyone in his unit that day.
Um, his iconic, uh, they got
pinned down in a, in a field, uh,
and eventually all went quiet.
And no one knew why, uh, but with all, all
the stories of everyone who was close to
him was, he stood up and charged the three
Taliban and he was found dead with his
bayonet fixed three dead Taliban around
him and his unit managed to, uh, extract.
So his platoon extracted, did a reorg
and, uh, found out the briar was missing.
So let's go back later on to find him.
And then that's where they found them.
But yeah, so what a hero
he is probably like.
A hero to me in many ways, um, and, you
know, I have him tattooed on my arm now,
you know, so it's, you know, he's a good
memory because he's like, he's made.
I think he structured my life, like when
I was in the army to where I'm at today,
he was also the first ever skydiver.
Yeah.
And he was the first ever skydiver I met.
Okay.
Yeah.
Not the first day.
Um, but he was the first skydiver I met.
And I remember talking to him about
it before he, like, while in battalion
and then once he died, I had this
like, I was super upset, obviously,
and devastated and couldn't really
control what was, you know, the,
the emotions I was going through.
Someone said to me, like, you need to,
like, take his, like, memory and build
something, like, take something from him.
Yeah, like, he, obviously, not
just a memory of, like, him
making sure you stayed in the
unit, but take something else.
Like, what else could you take from
him that, uh, that would benefit you?
And, uh, Would keep his memory alive.
And at the time I couldn't really think.
And then one day I was like,
skydiving, I'm going to be a skydiver.
Really?
Yeah.
And that's, and when I was on a different
deployment later on, I did, uh, on our
R& R went down to the South of Spain and,
and learned to skydive because Brian was
this skydiver that, yeah, stuck with me.
So.
That's really cool.
Yeah.
For many reasons, like this guy, this
one guy who was my first instructor
in the army was like, you know, the
reason I do a lot of things today.
Travis Bader: Isn't it crazy?
The impact that we can all
have on people's lives.
And they probably never know.
They probably never know.
Do you think he
Jamie Flynn: ever knew?
No, no.
I mean, he probably knew
that, like, you know.
I mean, he knew because he came
to my personnel parade when I
actually became a paratrooper.
I mean, he knew that that affected me,
but did he, did he realize that that one
day that kept me in the unit, like stuck
with me for the rest of my life and, you
know, helps me, um, you know, even when I.
Do deal with things today.
And I have young people working
under me that I can now, like,
I remember that, that moment.
And like, how can I have that
impact on the persons who's coming
to me now being like, Hey, I
don't want to be here anymore.
One day,
Travis Bader: one moment.
It's such a small thing for him to give.
Very cool.
That's something that, um, I
think that's something that we
should all kind of think about.
What, what are we doing?
How are we conducting ourselves?
How are our little actions that we
might not be thinking too much of?
How is that impacting those around
us who are looking up to us, who
are watching us, who, um, yeah, who,
who need that level of inspiration.
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.
And it's, and it's weird because it's
like, there's things that you will do
and new things that you will say, and
that will stick with people forever.
And I can't remember exactly what
happened, but someone said, Oh,
I remember when you told me this.
Wow.
Uh, I used to just keep my mouth shut.
I don't actually remember saying that.
And was I drunk?
And they were like,
yeah, but you said this.
And I was like, wow, I never, never
thought you were going to act on it, dude.
I
Travis Bader: drunk, but
it didn't diminish me.
Yeah.
I usually, I'm just like, well, yep.
I just, I rack my brain and I'm
trying to remember, I think it
might be an ADHD thing trying to
remember these things because.
Like I'll ask my wife, I'm like, I
don't remember all of these different
events that people are telling me about.
And, uh, or, uh, I think I'm
supposed to be mad at this
person, but I don't know why.
And she's like, oh,
here's this laundry list.
I'm like, oh yeah, yeah.
And I should be mad at that person.
Right.
But I just, I don't, I don't
retain this stuff like that.
Yeah.
You're like that too, eh?
Jamie Flynn: Oh, a hundred percent.
If it's not present and it's
not affecting me right now,
it's like, it doesn't matter.
You know, like people might think I
absolutely hate them, but I'm like, dude,
I've not thought about you in years.
That could be even worse, right?
I'm like, and it's good and bad.
It's like, I also like, cause then
I have really good friends, like I
have really good friends in the UK.
Yeah.
And it kicks me cause I'm like,
I see him pop up on Facebook.
I'm like, Oh dude, I need to message you.
Right.
Because I'm.
I've been a bad friend, but
it's not, I haven't been bad
because I'm like ignoring you.
It's like, I'm just like,
so focused on what I've got.
And I like, I lose, I need to, I need
to stay focused on what I'm doing.
Yeah.
So
Travis Bader: it's selfish.
It's well, the ADHD thing, they
say, um, Oh, easily distracted.
Right.
Yeah.
But the other side is hyper focused.
If it's something that's interesting or
inability to, uh, break focus on certain
things, whatever, however you want to.
Term that one, I know you and I've talked
a little bit about that in the past, I
was diagnosed grade three ADHD, saw a
bunch of different people for it and was
put on an experimental dosage of Ritalin.
Wow.
Dad was a cop and he's like, I
don't know what this Ritalin stuff.
So what everyone on the
streets using, right.
But, um, I was the highest dosage
of Ritalin for the province and did
that up until grade seven and finally
in grade seven, I'm like, I'm done.
I'm taking myself off this cold Turkey.
I'm not going into grade eight.
What did it do to you?
Uh, well, there's two sides,
there's what I felt and there's
what like the teachers would report.
Okay.
Yeah.
So the teachers would say, did
Travis take his riddle in today?
Because I can sure tell there's
something different, right?
Uh, apparently it was a lot easier to
work with, um, a lot more, uh, less
outbreaks, outbreaks, uh, outbursts.
Um.
And less disruptive in the
class when I was on the riddle.
And for me, it disrupted my appetite.
It made me, gave me headaches like crazy.
Um, I remember going outside
at, at when school's over.
And looking around, I'm like, how is
everybody able to open their eyes?
I could barely see, like I'm squinting.
It's so bright.
How do people, and I never put two
and two together, maybe it was the
medication dilating the pupils and
like, I'd stand out there forever.
Just like, I could barely open
my eyes and I'm looking at them,
am I getting a ride home today?
Do I have to take the bus?
What's going on?
And, um, but, uh, And of course, in
the social side, someone would drop
a Mentos or something in the class
and teachers like, Oh, whose is this?
Oh, it's a smart pill.
That's Travis's smart pill.
So like, I don't want these smart
pills going into high school.
Right.
Um, but you, um, uh, what outbursts, uh,
consequences, thinking about consequences
is a typical sort of ADHD thing.
Um.
It just didn't factor into my mind.
Like how you said, well, if it's
not right here, right now, right.
I can think of all the consequences
associated with this in a short
term sort of capacity, but I just
do stuff and not think about how
that affected my health tomorrow.
If I jump off the roof today, right.
If, uh, how it affects other people.
So that was always an interesting one.
Impulsivity.
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.
I can, uh, I guess I can relate to that.
Um, Yeah, I, I never got diagnosed with
ADHD and only as an adult now, I'm, you
know, a bunch of these ADHD, probably
because I've thought about it now it's
popping up on Instagram loads, you know,
these videos and they're like, if you have
ADHD, you got this, this, this, this, and
this, you're like, Oh yeah, that's me.
So I start researching it.
And then obviously as you research it,
more and more videos are pumped into
Instagram, you know, just like, Oh yeah.
And you're like.
Every day you see it.
Every day I see it.
And I'm like, well, maybe I have this.
And then I look at my Instagram
feed myself and I'm like,
yeah, I definitely have ADHD.
Like there's way, I'm doing way too much
Travis Bader: stuff here.
High dopamine seeking, uh, rejection,
sensitivity, dysphoria is another
thing that people with ADHD.
We'll experience
Jamie Flynn: like I hung onto it,
like I hang on to people's sentences.
Like if, if, if someone annoyed, you
know, was annoyed with me, they would
say something or I don't know, it would
stick with me that sentence for like.
Days,
Travis Bader: that's a
rejection sensitive idiot
Jamie Flynn: for you.
And I'm just like, why am I
even caring what you think?
You're an absolute idiot.
Like I really, like someone said
something about me the other day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or like a couple of months ago
and it stuck with me for ages.
And I'm like, you're an absolute idiot.
Like you're a jobs worth.
Like I got no, I got no time for you.
I do not care why.
Like, and then I, like, luckily
when I say that to myself,
it's like, that's the break.
Okay, good.
But I just remember like, for a long
time, it was just like, I was like,
I'm getting annoyed with this person.
And then when I eventually can like,
look in the mirror and be like,
Jamie, this guy doesn't matter.
You're like, oh yeah, that's right.
Cool.
And then you can move on with your day.
But then these little things
stick with you all the time.
Travis Bader: Yes.
Yeah, the, um, learning you, you
made a post on Instagram there
before about, you know, I don't, I
don't learn things traditionally, or
maybe I don't learn things quickly.
And that can be something that people
with ADHD will, will say or think,
and it doesn't mean they're not smart.
It doesn't mean they can't,
but the traditional method
for teaching sometimes ADHD.
We'll learn in school system isn't
set up to accommodate all these
different sorts of learning styles.
Yeah.
Jamie Flynn: There's a, you know, like
we're too much, but like right now,
when I was going through like the fire
department recruitment process, there's
a lot of things you got memorized.
Totally.
Like memory.
And I'm like, I can't memorize stuff.
I have to do, you know?
And they're like, Hey, what's this?
And you're just like, Oh, I don't,
I don't know, just give me a little
bit more time and I promise, like,
I will work my ass off to make sure
that I know what you need me to know.
I just can't memorize stuff.
Right.
Yeah.
And yeah, that's, that's sort
of thing that I struggle with.
So I feel like my learning is
definitely, I need to get hands on
things and you know, it doesn't even
people who come back with the most.
Interesting facts about parachutes,
and I've been parachuting for a
long time, and I'm like, I have.
No idea what that material made
up, like, I just know that if you
jump this certain way, yeah, this
is how you need to do things.
And I can tell you why, and I can
articulate now why you need to
do certain aspects in the sport.
But like, I'm not going to go down
this route of like, it's made up of
this F 111 material, blah, blah, blah.
I don't really care.
Like it's a material that clearly someone
more intelligent than me can, can make and
actually like, you know, let me do my job.
Travis Bader: You know, I,
so operation Pegasus jump.
I think you've, have you done that?
Jamie Flynn: I just did that this, this
Travis Bader: little bit.
So, uh, a while back friend said, you got
to come on this Operation Pegasus jump.
I'm like, well, honestly, it looks neat.
You know, I'm not a big fan of heights
and, uh, but I've always wanted to do this
to push myself to kind of overcome it.
And what, what a perfect situation, right?
And so I call up the, uh, the school
there, what Campbell river, I think.
Campbell river, yeah.
Call him up and he says, love to
have you Trav, but this is for,
um, active and, uh, Past military
and first responders full stop.
Well, I'm neither of those aside
from cadets when I was younger.
Right.
But that doesn't count.
And, um, so I'm like, okay, damn,
really wanted to do this program.
Well, how about I go, like, if I wanted
to go and just do this outside of
Pegasus, is that something I could do?
Oh yeah.
Not a problem.
We start going down that road.
I'm like, okay, how tall are you?
Six, six.
How much do you weigh?
Two 50.
Hmm.
You're gonna have a problem.
Like you can parachute tanks.
How come you can't parachute?
But I guess you got to go tandem
and I'm sort of on the threshold.
And so I thought, well, maybe the ADHD
kicked in, like, I don't like not being
able to do things and the challenge.
So I'm like.
I talked to some friends who are pilots
and I said, if I picked up a parachute.
And I watched enough YouTube videos.
Would you let me jump out of your plane?
Nope, nope.
Okay.
So I did the next best thing.
If I can't get the plane, what
if I just jump off of land?
Right.
And so I picked up a, um, paraglider,
uh, got a swing Arcus two, I think
they're out of Germany, uh, with a cross
reserve on the thing and I figured I'll
just, I'll watch my YouTube videos.
I'll get this figured out.
It looks pretty easy, right?
I seen Jamie do stuff like this.
I know, come on.
Um, and my kids are like, dad, we
don't want to see you the fastest
person going down to the ground, right?
We want to, we want to, uh, can
you reach out and my wife as well.
So I found a fellow here locally and he
can teach paragliding as an engineer.
So I'm, he sends over an
email, nice long email.
And I wrote, okay, I read through all
the information he's got in this thing.
And then a while later
I get another email.
Okay.
I'll read that one out later.
Next morning I come back and I got
eight more emails on top of that.
I'm like, if it was really important,
it would be an email number one.
Right.
So, so I didn't read any of them.
Right.
And, um, other than the first one and I
show up and do one of the training with
them and he's, Talking about things as if
I knew what he's actually talking about.
I'm like, just, just show me, right.
Let's just spend a little bit of
time, super knowledgeable, super
nice guy, engineer background, uh,
very, like you're saying, what's the
material made out of what's this.
So it's a tensile strength.
How do we calculate that?
So I'm finding it challenging,
but, uh, I've done a number
of, uh, mountain jumps so far.
And, um, I found the, uh, the most
nervy part was your first time just
kind of working up to jump off the edge.
Once you're up there, it's a
process of just working your way
through and flying the thing.
And I mean, it seems pretty damn safe.
And if it isn't, I can throw a reserve.
So like, what do I have to worry about?
Right.
Um, sounds like we've got a sort of
similar learning style in that respect.
He's still having a tough time trying
to figure out, uh, figure me out.
And I'm having a hard time wondering why
he charges 15 a ride up the mountain.
I'm preparing you for the culture.
This is what they do.
They give you your, you got
to pay them for a ride up.
I said, well.
But I paid you for a course.
Like this is anyways, I digress.
Yeah, no,
Jamie Flynn: it's really funny
because that's sounds similar to
my, uh, how I got into base jumping.
Uh, so yeah, I was in, I was in the army
and he met this guy, uh, Van Rensburg.
He's a South African guy
had big post on it all.
Okay.
This guy called Dukes.
Yeah.
I didn't know him at the time.
Pretty good friend now.
Um, but yeah, he's this.
Jump off a building, big yellow pants.
And I was like, this is, that's cool.
How do we do that?
And he's like, Oh, I do it.
I was like, yeah, really?
I was like, you're a lunatic.
He's like, yeah, we'll, we will set up
a bridge swing and we'll learn to jump.
Yes.
And I'm like.
That makes sense.
No, no, no.
It actually doesn't make sense.
Don't ever learn from the
way I learned to base jump.
Okay.
So
Travis Bader: I did the bridge
swing stuff as a teacher.
Jamie Flynn: So we, but we
then, yeah, we did the little
ritual, but we, we went bigger.
Okay.
So we had all our ropes and we're setting
up, we're drilling anchors and we're
doing all sorts of stuff in a little
town called Merthyr Tydfil in Wales.
And, uh, yeah, we were practicing
jumping off this viaduct.
And then eventually I was like, okay,
I'm going Going to learn to base jump,
but I was skydiving at this point.
And, you know, I had a
couple of hundred skydive.
So I felt comfortable under a parachute.
And then I went to the skydive center.
I was like, I want to learn the base jump.
Everyone's like, no, and
it's pretty old school.
But then everyone was just like,
no, no, you got to be like.
Sucking these guys dicks the entire
time, buying them beers all the
time, going out ground crewing for
them, telling them how amazing they
are, and I find it really difficult
to, you know, like, lick people's
arses, like, it's not my personality.
Like, I'll respect you, but as soon as you
think that you're above me, I'm like, nah,
man, you know, we're good, we're good,
like, you're an equal, um, and, you know,
and everyone's an equal, but if you're,
if you're gonna sit there and pretend
you're above me, like, Makes it tough.
It makes it tough.
So I, I can't respect you.
So we were, you know, everyone said no.
And I was like, okay, this sucks.
Yeah.
And I was like, well, you know what?
I'll just do it anyway,
like how hard can it be?
So I watched a ton of YouTube videos
and I was like, and everyone's
like, Oh, you know, I think Jamie's
probably gonna do this anyway.
And, you know, someone came up
to me and it was just like, and
actually a guy called Alistair,
yeah, he's a good friend of mine now.
He was like, Jamie, you're going to die.
I was like, well, that's funny.
Cause we're all going to die, mate.
Yeah.
And he was just like, no, no,
you're going to die base jumping.
And I was like.
Probably, you know, like there's
a, there's a high chance of it.
And he's like, no, no, not just
like you're going to diabetic.
I'm like, you're in a diabetic
because you're an idiot.
And you're going to like, you,
you don't know what you're doing
and you're making a huge mistake.
And I was like, are you going to help me?
And he's like, no, I was
like, well, why are you here?
Like if you, why are you here?
Lost point.
And I ignored him and I left it and
I went away and I was very driven.
And I was like, how do I do this safely?
So I would like skydive.
And I was like, at the time I was.
Already competing at a high level
in skydiving, I was on the British
skydive team and I was in a, in a
discipline that is very similar to
base jumping, but you still jumping out
of a plane, you know, the parachutes
are packed the same, not, you know,
it's a, it's called canopy formation.
So the canopies are packed differently
than normal skydive rigs, but
very similar to base jumping rigs
and the canopies fly the same.
And so I was like, okay,
I'm getting close to this.
And eventually one day I was like,
okay, I'm going to do it tonight.
So I got a friend that was in
my unit and I was like, Hey, I'm
going to do that base jump tonight.
I think I'm ready.
And we went up to this place in Wales
and we climbed the tower and I went
up and I was like, okay, this is it.
470 feet.
And we just, he was like, are you ready?
I was like, yep, let's do it.
And I just ran off the tower through
the little parachute parachute opened.
And I was like, that's it.
That's it?
That's it.
Like really?
Travis Bader: Did you have to
watch out for lines or anything
Jamie Flynn: else?
Well, it was sort of overhung and yeah.
And the parachute opened, I
was like, Oh, and now it's just
like skydiving and just landed.
And I was like, Oh,
that's not that special.
And I was like, okay, whatever.
So I grabbed my gear.
I was happy.
I was stoked.
I went back to the parking lot and then
just turned on all the lights, packed
my parachute and went and did it again.
Anyway, this is a big no, no
in the base jumping world.
Pack your parachute again
Travis Bader: right there.
Jamie Flynn: Yeah, right there.
And I went and did a
second jump that night.
Uh, which is a big no, no because like in
the UK it's not, not necessarily legal.
Right.
You're like, you should be like
getting your gear and disappearing.
And there's me with all my
lights on, packing my parachute.
So like the ethics went out the
window and I was like, and I
didn't know anything ethics wise.
People weren't jumping with me back then.
And, uh, you know, I was this young
paratrooper who my shit didn't
stink, you know, and I just kept,
you know, me and my buddy, we just
jumped everything that we could.
And we just sort of taught ourselves
and bounced off each other and, and
survived the first probably year,
year and a half of base jumping until
I got paid to come over to Canada
to teach a canopy formation course.
So I went to Toronto and Niagara and
someone was like, Oh, you know, I'm
a base jumper towards the end of my
course I was teaching in skydiving and
he was just like, you're a base jumper.
And I was like, yeah, because
why didn't you say anything?
I was like, in my head, I'm like,
well, everyone doesn't really want to
jump me in the UK anyway, because I'm
like this idiot, really doing my own
thing, not really following the rules.
And then he goes, yeah.
And so I told him the story and he's
like, yeah, if you told me that, I
probably wouldn't have taken your course.
But now I've got to
know you on this course.
Like I like you, I like the way you
do things and I can see how like
rigid you are when you're teaching.
So I'm only going to imagine this
is how you are in bass jumping.
Yeah.
He goes, tell me everything.
And he sat me down and we had a beer and
I told him how I did it, why I did it
and why I did it this way and that way.
And he was just like, that makes
sense, but you're an idiot.
And I was like, okay, he goes, what
we're going to do is, can you stay
in Canada an extra couple of days?
I was like, yeah, I can, I can
stay another five more days.
So I changed my flights and he went and
borrowed a bunch of bass rigs off his
friends and we went and did like four or
five bass drums a night in around Toronto.
He was like, I am going to get you
to a decent level and then, uh,
then you go home and do your thing.
So over the next five nights,
but the one rule was he had
to go to work during the day.
So my job.
Was packing all the parachutes
during the day, which took me a long
time, you know, so on average, when
you start, it's about an hour to
pack a, a base jumping parachute.
So it took me a long time
to pack all these rigs.
Um, and every night we'd
go out and he'd teach me.
A new thing or two.
And then yeah, at the end of
it, this guy, Brad actually like
pretty much saved me base jumping.
And UK and I had a new outlook on ethics
and, and how you should be doing things.
And then I started reaching out to base
jumpers and being like, Hey, I totally did
this wrong, but this is where I'm at now.
And, you know, I'm trying to
change the errors of my way.
Yeah.
So yeah, I started off base jumping in
a completely wrong way, you know, and.
You know, trying to reinvent the wheel
and the world doesn't need to invent him
because it's already dangerous enough.
Yeah, no kidding.
Um, yeah, over time it, you know, I
changed my, my stance and then years
down the line now I'm, uh, you know,
I give back once a year and try and
teach someone or mentor someone and,
you know, I don't want to teach courses.
I don't want to do like make this a
moneymaker, but I believe I was very,
very lucky at the beginning that
now is my time to, you know, I've
learned a lot of skills and a lot
of knowledge over the years now to.
Finally get back to the
Travis Bader: sport.
Well, what happened over in Kemalia?
Jamie Flynn: Oh, Kemalia.
Yeah, that was, uh, that was crazy time.
That was, so Kemalia is in Turkey.
Yeah.
Um, so around 2013, I decided that, uh,
you know, I didn't like my body anymore.
And I decided to break my ankle,
femur, wrist, elbow, shoulder,
and a bit of a concussion.
All in one jump.
Um, a lot of this, it goes into.
Cockiness and, you know,
arrogance and everything else.
And my ego was massive at the time.
Um, and so leading up to all of this,
like, like I said, being a paratrooper,
you, you get through a selection process.
You are now like, you're the,
you're the best of the best
that they had that selection.
You watched everyone leave.
You're like, well, I'm
fucking better than you.
Um, I've done this course
on better than you.
Yeah.
And you're drilled into that,
you drilled into it all the time.
Like you're better than everyone else.
So cool.
I believe that.
Yeah.
Then I got into skydiving and I
was like on the British skydive
team and I'm teaching people.
So I'm like, well, fuck, I'm winning
all the competitions that UK like
must be better than most people.
So, and then I went to 2012, I went to
the base jumping world championships and.
I beat the guy that was in that
poster and the big yellow pants.
Yeah, me and him were in
the, in the finals together.
And that was like, I looked
at him and it was just like a.
I, I joined this sport because
of your poster and now me and
you are in the finals together.
Wow.
Gonna jump.
So that was really cool.
Um, so that was a year before I got
hurt and he jumped, he landed and he hit
dead, or what I thought was dead center.
And then I beat him by two centimeters.
Wow.
And that was a unique.
time in my life and, you know, winning
the world championships there in Spain.
And, uh, you know, I was like,
whoa, I don't know how I'm a world
champion now, but I fucking am.
That's fucking weird.
So now I got these things that
are like building your, like,
your ego into like something else.
Like, you know, and eventually I
went down to, you know, Kemali,
Turkey and, and they had a pontoon
in the, in the middle of the river.
Yeah, and it was like an eight by
six pontoon that you got to land on.
Not a problem, but we were wingsuiting out
of this little microlight, and I was like,
I don't know what it would be like if the
water fills up the wingsuit if I miss.
Yeah, and everyone else was like, no,
well don't miss then, just land on
the top, and I'm like, And I'm like,
well yeah, don't miss, but like,
my mind works in a different way.
Cause I, I like to think even
every base jump I do now, I try and
talk myself out of the base jump.
So I'm going, what's wrong?
Yeah.
I need to find, I'm looking
for everything that's wrong.
Yeah.
But if there's nothing wrong and it's
good to go, then it's a good time to jump.
Cause I've got, I've done it backwards
where everyone else wants to jump and
tries to rule out everything else.
The things are actually happening.
Yeah.
So I try and do that in a different way.
And I try and teach people that way,
you know, cause it's, it's a better way
to, okay, well, nothing else can do now.
And now I can, now I can jump.
Um, so anyway, I looked at that and I
was like, well, it's not a good idea.
Um, so on the way up to where we
were going to take off, I found
a parking lot and I was like,
Hey guys, I'm going to land here.
And they're like, but we're filming
this show and you need to land here.
And I'm like, yeah, that's cool.
But I'm landing here.
So do what you need to do.
And they're like, well, would
you try and land on the pontoon?
And I was like, well, it's parallel.
And I was like, you know what?
I'll open my parachute.
I'll see where I'm at.
Yeah.
And if it, if I feel good at that
point, then I'll land and go there.
But in my mind, I was
thinking I'm going to land.
Right.
So there was a lot of
things going on in my mind.
I was like, well, I was, I was
already not committed to this.
Like, why not just say, you know,
this is where I'm landing and I
probably would have been okay.
But then I was like mixed message in
my mind and I wasn't really feeling it.
Then I got.
Onto the, you know, the,
the, the morning of the jump.
And funny enough, I wasn't actually
even meant to be on the jump.
Yeah.
That guy in the big yellow
pants dudes, it was him.
Who's meant to be on the jump.
So we all partied the night
before he was hung over.
Um, couldn't wake him up and I
was having breakfast and they're
like, who wants to fly a wingsuit?
And I was like, well, I'll do it.
And they're like, okay, jump on, let's go.
So I forget my helmet.
And we're driving up and I was
like, shit, I forgot my helmet.
And they were like, you're
not making us go back.
And I was like, yeah, let's go back.
And I was like, no, no, you know what?
It's only a skydive.
Just keep going.
Yeah.
And then I was like, you know what?
Stop.
Go back.
Let's go and get my helmet.
Yeah.
And everyone was like, Jerry,
make up your fucking mind.
I was like, okay, I need my helmet.
I need my helmet.
So I ran back.
Yeah.
And I grabbed my helmet and I ran in.
Everyone's like, oh,
now we're gonna be late.
The wind's gonna be, it was tight.
And I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry, guys.
I was like, look, I'll go last.
You guys go go before me make sure you
can get the windows and and if I get a
window then you know, whatever So they
all jumped and land on the pontoon.
There's my turn.
I went up and I wasn't feeling right at
all I was like so many I have a rule of
threes and I'll tell you that afterwards,
but I was already on like the fourth
thing that went wrong that morning.
Yeah, and I was like, well, you know,
I was fine It's just a skydive It's
not really a base jump and I jump out
and my wingsuit inflated and I was
like, well, that doesn't feel right.
And then it was like a little
bumpy with a bit of wind up there.
And I was like, well, that's all right.
Like it's fine.
I'll just keep flying.
And then I opened my parachute
and I'm still not feeling it.
Like, uh, and I'm in the middle
now of these two landing areas and
I'm like, no, I'm going for the.
The, the car park, like
that's what I committed.
And then as I'm flying, I'm getting a
bit of turbulence under my parachute.
And then my, my wing is just
like dropping lower down.
I'm just like, why am I not making this?
This is weird.
So I looked down and I see
like this little grassy field.
And it's like probably a hundred
meters short of the actual car park.
And I was like, you know what?
It doesn't matter.
Like you're a world champion, base jumper,
you've landed on like a coin, like you
can land on whatever you need to do.
So I was like, yeah, perfect.
So I spun it down and come into land.
And as I get down to like 50 feet,
so you're like your finals coming in.
I'm like, oh shit, that's
not a grassy field.
That's a boulder field.
Yeah.
And it's got long grass coming out.
I was like, oh, I got nowhere else to go.
And I'm looking around and it's just.
Boulders everywhere and I'm like,
Oh, so I see this huge boulder,
probably the size of a car.
And I was like, I'm going to go for that.
I'm going to try and land on top of it.
I can do it.
Yeah, and it was my only real chance,
uh, came into land and there's a
little bit more momentum come out a bit
more speed that couldn't wash it off.
So as I like landed on this thing,
my foot slipped, went down the rock,
fell in between another rock and the
momentum carried me forward while my
ankle was stuck between the two rocks.
So my ankle went to like snap
90 degrees and then the rest of
it, like my wrist, my femur, my
elbow, my shoulder smashed my head.
So.
And then, you know, you're, I was a
medic at the time, so, you know, from
the army, so I thought I'd look down
at my leg and I'm like, Oh, okay.
So I put it out and it's
just dangling 90 degrees.
And yeah, that moment I was
like, well, I'm fuck knows these
guys don't even know I'm here.
Cause they're all filming at the
pontoon that's down on the river.
And as I'm like assessing my
legs, like it, you couldn't
really tell it was a femur break.
Cause I broke it so high up.
So it was in the pelvis and I'm
thinking, Oh, you're going to.
Bleed out now.
It's a hell of a break.
Yeah.
No one's gonna, you know, my, my
pelvis was swollen and I was like,
ah, I'm just going to die here.
So I was like, but you're
not just going to lie here.
You're going to start trying to get out.
So there was no way of, I
didn't have a radio on me.
Like why, why didn't I have a radio?
Like.
These are like all these things I'm
going, well, why are you not doing the
things that you said you would do them?
But like, it goes into
like, my, my ego was so big.
I was like, of course,
nothing's going to happen.
It's fine.
It's a skydive.
Yeah.
And eventually I was like, well,
I guess you got to help yourself.
So I started to try and crawl.
Yeah.
And it's probably the most
agonizing half an hour of my life.
Yeah.
And I was screaming as
loud as I could, but.
You know, I didn't know what
else was going on, but everyone
else was like, where's Jamie?
Like, so they're
frantically looking for me.
They're driving up to the parking lot.
They can't see me, you know, and I'm
in this boulder field further afield.
And, um, yeah, and I'm just,
just screaming and crawling.
And eventually I get under this tree.
And I'm just like, well, uh, this is it.
I can't go anymore.
Literally.
I can't move anymore.
I've given up.
And I finally, I was like, I laid
there and I looked up at the sky.
I was like, that's, this is it.
I am finally failing at
something pretty bad.
And I was like, well,
you know, it's been good.
Uh, I was in so much,
like the pain was unreal.
And I, was I in and out of consciousness?
I don't know.
Um, but I just remember like.
It just crazy times and
yeah, I grew up Catholic.
So I was like, well, you better, better
say something just in case, you know?
So I thought as you walk through
the valley of shadow of death and
then I broke into Coolio and I sang,
I sang Gangster's Paradise instead.
Travis Bader: Cause I wouldn't stick
in the head a little bit better.
Yeah.
Jamie Flynn: So I signed that and I made
myself laugh and I was like, okay, cool.
Um, and then luckily someone came across
some Turkish guy and then I was shouting
the mayor's name and then they called the
mayor and the mayor got the paramedics.
And then we, the paramedics turned
up and, uh, four and a half hours
later on a logging road, I was at a
hospital and spent, I don't know how
many days in a hospital over there.
And then.
It took a long time and it was pretty
gross because in Turkey, the family
normally come and look after you.
And I didn't really have a family there
because it was a base jumping event.
So we had to pay people to
come and clean me and do stuff.
The food was terrible.
I was broken.
The Turkish doctors put me together, like
they didn't really have the machines.
Um, so they were like ramming me in,
like I was in a child's like MRI scanner.
Yeah.
But like my shoulders weren't fit.
So that pushing me into the machine and.
Uh, it's just crazy.
Some of the things that, you know,
you see out there, it's crazy.
It's, it's a different world.
Yeah.
And it will describe it's
like a, a really bad prison.
And I was on this bed, uh, over time,
I got back to the UK and spent 31
days in hospital in the UK as well.
Um.
Travis Bader: Psychologically,
what's that got to do to you.
You're top of the world and now you're.
Jamie Flynn: I was nothing, you know,
I was, I was completely broken and
realized that, well, I'm not invincible.
You know, and at that point you have to
remember, like I did all the cool stuff.
Like I was, I did all the stuff with
3PARA, I was already through the SFSG
stuff, I did all my counter terrorism, all
the tours I did there that were associated
with Beast Squadron SAS, like, kicking
doors down nightly, I'm a base jumper,
skydiver, like, I've done it, like, a
lot in my life at this point, I'm lying
now, I'm like, and now I'm just here.
Now what, now what, like they, they're
telling me I might not even walk, you
know, like my ankle was so messed up
that they thought that it was, you
know, there was discussion of having an
amputated and I'm like, how did I go to
Afghanistan, Iraq and not get blown up?
And then I go base
jumping and lose my leg.
Like, yeah, so yeah, it was a, it
was a heavy, heavy idea of what my
life was going to be like, and I
thought that was pretty much it.
How'd you
Travis Bader: deal with that?
Jamie Flynn: Who knows, uh, I
got through one day at a time.
And it goes back to, back to
the training and just one day
and see what happens, you know.
I just did, you know, just tackled
each day at a time and just worked
hard and did what the physio said and,
and got it done, and over time it just
got better, the pain didn't really go
away, the pain still bugs me to this
day, but yeah, it's just like, just,
you just gotta take one day at a time.
Did it make you gun shy?
No, I was very focused on getting
back to base jumping that that was
like my one goal to be like, this
is, this is what kept me going.
Yeah, I was like, you need to get back
to base jumping and you need to get
back on the horse and, and do it again.
Because if you don't, this is the
end of your base jumping world.
Yeah, but I did have a mindset of
like something needs to change.
Yeah, because my ego was the
thing that fucked me on that jump.
Travis Bader: How'd you change it?
Or did it change
Jamie Flynn: it for you?
That did change it for me,
but I also had to look back at
everything, like, you know, and.
Microanalyze everything I've ever said
to someone, you know, like, you're
like, Oh wow, you, you did this.
And I looked back at all these actions I
did leading up to this and interactions
I had with people and arrogance.
And, and I said, how do I fix this?
You know, like how, you know,
I've heard the things people
say about you behind your back.
And you're like, how do I fix it?
How do I become a better base jumper?
And how can I start again?
And then I was like, and then
that's where the idea came from.
It was like, how about I just start again?
Like literally from this moment, I start
everything again, everything, everything.
So we created a documentary
called, uh, back to basics.
Um, and I wanted the story to be like,
okay, I was this ex paratrooper SF.
Whatever it is that, you know, I
was before, I now need to just start
again, you know, and I'm gonna then,
you know, start from the crash, so it
had a little bit of my past in, and
then it goes back to the recovery.
How do I deal with this mentally, day
in, day out, going to the swimming pool,
doing all the exercises, and then learning
to skydive again, learning to base jump,
but doing it this way, doing it the
proper way that you are meant to learn to
base jump, not the way I did it before.
Um, yeah.
And then it got all the way back
to actually jumping in front of
a huge crowd, uh, for a demo.
And that was a six part
documentary series.
Travis Bader: So it was a bit of an
existential crisis had changed, not
just how you jump and how you approach,
but how you approach life in general.
Yeah.
Jamie Flynn: I realized at that point
how lucky I was to like, not be a
statistic on a base fatality list anymore.
Like we have a list of how, you
know, people base jumps and how
they die so we can learn from it.
And.
I'm very surprised I wasn't on that list.
No kidding.
And I like looking back at how
lucky I am is like, my name
should have been there June 30.
30th, 2013, that should have
been my name next to it.
Yeah.
So yeah, you had to change.
Like I had to change if I was
staying on that same trajectory,
it was just not going to work.
Like
Travis Bader: that.
Well, that's something, you
know, I saw that video on, uh,
some posted up on Facebook.
I think the guy's name was Danik Loyen.
Something like that.
Uh, any, they're out on a cliff side,
it looks like by a beach and one
guy's parachute opens and the other
guys doesn't and splat down, he goes.
Oh, Dominic Loyen.
Dominic, that's it.
Um, so, um, or the guys that'll
do it without a parachute,
he'll just land on the lake or
in cardboard boxes or whatever.
There's always.
There's always something more you can do.
It's like rock jumping
off rocks into the water.
Okay.
It's scary, but I think I can do it.
Okay.
It hurt.
It was a bit of a height,
but, uh, but I'm good.
I'll do it again.
I'll do it again.
Oh, maybe I can go a bit higher.
Maybe I can get a little higher.
There's always.
Where is that threshold?
Where is that line?
When, like, do you still, I'm
asking a bunch of questions.
Yeah.
Do you still feel, um, that anticipation?
Like when I did my first jump off of just
here in Chilliwack, I know Woodside, and
I'm just looking over the edge and it's
like, okay, here I go, I'm going to do it.
And he, like you go through
the process, but you feel
that's probably where the most.
Nerve comes in and then I'm in the air.
It's just like, this is, this is cool.
This is really actually relaxing.
Um, I should imagine hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds of jumps that you've done.
Do you start to lose that?
And do you have to push it
further to get that back or,
Jamie Flynn: or what?
You know, people think that all
the time you need to like push it
to get to the next level and, and.
For me, I went through like a really
dark area of base jumping, like I got
hurt myself, but I also went through
the following years of, we lost a lot of
people in wingsuit base jumping, you know,
so we went through what we would consider
dark years of the sport, and a lot of
people died, and our sport got a bad
reputation of people dying all the time.
Um, which just isn't the case for,
you know, what actually happens is,
um, but yeah, do we push the limits?
Like, yeah, people are
going to push limits.
Like people want to try and be the, you
know, the next name, you know, the next
famous name in our sport, you know,
being the guy who flies close to things.
Um, but that only leads one way.
Yeah.
So for me, I like to, the way I like to
do is try and show people what's possible.
You know, like I did bust
myself up, I am now older.
I'm not a young 20 year
old base jumper anymore.
Um, and...
I want to show people
the beauty of the sport.
Yeah.
So now I'm interested in showing like
really nice pictures or really nice videos
that are like shows the beauty of the
sport, rather than look how crazy I am.
Look how, look how close
I am to the ground.
Look at what I can do
that no one else can do.
You know, it's not the
shock value anymore.
Like I, you know, I, I love what I do.
And if you took the cameras away, I'd
still be doing it, but I also have.
I love for sharing the things that
I do and showing what is possible
when you, when you focus on it.
Um, and maybe I'm a, you know, I'm
definitely an old base jumper now,
you know, like there was the old
saying when, when I started, you know,
there's, there's old base jumpers
and there's bold base jumpers, but
there's no old and bold base jumpers.
Um, and that it just goes true now.
And like, I, I definitely would
consider myself an old base jumper
and, and I look at the younger guys
coming up and, and maybe you're like.
Hey, like you're, you're trying to
reinvent the wheel, you're doing what I
did and you're doing what someone else
did before me, you know, and you, there's
only one way it's going to end, you know,
and you're teaching yourself and now
you're teaching other people and it's
just like, well, you're now surviving.
You're not actually really learning
the skills and what you need to know.
You need to, you need to take a step
back and actually really learn the sport.
Because if you can learn the sport,
it can be safe, you know, like,
or you can be as safe as possible.
You know, there's still a big danger
factor to base jumping, but sure.
Yeah.
But if you, you know, it's a
drill, you know, and if you can
get every step of the drill, right.
Yeah.
Then if an accident happens, an accident.
It's just an accident, but if it's,
if you, if you're trying to tell
me that it's an accident and I'm
like, well, hold on a minute, like
this is a huge Swiss cheese effect.
Like a, you didn't have anyone mentoring
you be you're in the wrong gear.
You either wrong weight
for the gear you're in.
Yeah.
You have no idea what you're doing.
You haven't skydived.
Like, yeah.
And now you're trying to
tell me this is an accident.
Come on, dude.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
What do they call it?
Unconscious, unconfidence,
Jamie Flynn: unaware.
The four levels, the four stages of, uh,
Travis Bader: learning.
I'm in the, uh, conscious
incompetence stage myself right now.
I'm brutally aware of
how much I don't know.
When I first, uh, looked at getting
into just a little bit that I'm,
I've been doing, it was supposed to
be doing a podcast over in Chamonix
and, uh, the fellow who I was in a
podcast with, who's it's been delayed.
He had to open up a couple of
businesses over in the UK and.
Um, he's into paragliding and
he's got a speed wing as well.
And I thought, well, this is great.
I'll pick this thing up.
And when I go over there, I
could just like, see what he
does and I'll follow beside him.
And, and we can go out
and do a, um, do a jump.
And I'm, I'm learning that no,
maybe go into a place like that.
It's going to take a little bit
more practice for, before I get
into it, but at Dunning Kruger.
Jamie Flynn: Exactly.
I was just going to say
the Dunning Kruger effect.
That's a, it's very prevalent in a lot of,
a lot of things, not just sport, but life
in general, and people think that they.
They've done a little bit and now they
think they know more than they know.
And you know, and it was interesting now
as I consider myself on the other side
of that Dunning Kruger effect, like I'm
pretty experienced in the base jump world.
And sometimes I questioned my, my skill
level and I'm like, well, I can do that.
Right.
And you're like, and then everyone's
like, well, of course you do it.
What are you talking about?
And you're like.
Yeah, I'm just on the other side
now, sort of not doubting yourself,
but questioning you overthink
Travis Bader: it.
Cause you know, all so many more
Jamie Flynn: variables.
Yeah.
And yeah, no, no, I'm definitely older.
And I look at those other variables and
I definitely don't base jump as much
as I used to, um, but I still love it.
Like if I do one base jump a month now and
buzz off that, you know, and whereas other
people still need to do that for a day,
Travis Bader: push, push, push.
Yeah.
Um.
You're talking about, uh, rule of threes.
Jamie Flynn: Oh yeah.
So yeah, I have a rule of threes
when it comes to base jumping,
like it, and it could be anything.
Uh, if I don't wait, if I miss my alarm.
That's one strike already on
the morning of a bass jump.
Um, if the weather's not what it says it's
gonna be, yeah, that's another strike.
And if I have a feeling, just a gut
feeling when I'm on the exit point,
I'll just put my ear away and I'll
be like, Uh, yeah, I don't feel good.
Yeah, and people will look at you and
be like, But it's perfect conditions.
Why are you not jumping?
And you're like, yeah, I don't know.
I just, you know, not, not feeling it.
And some people get a bit funny
with you, but I'm pretty strict on
my rule of threes now, because if
I'd listened to my gut feeling in
2013, I might not have got hurt.
Because you're feeling it, weren't you?
I was feeling it.
I could have just said no, but I didn't.
I just kept going.
Travis Bader: Cause the
ego gets in the way.
You don't want to look weak.
You don't want to look like you're scared.
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.
And now I'm, I know I'm not scared.
You know, I do things that are
dangerous quite a lot of times.
And I now know that I'm not
petrified of these things.
So when I do say like, no, I'm not feeling
it, it's because I'm not feeling it.
And I have to go by these, these
three rules and, and people might go,
well, you just slept for your alarm.
It doesn't matter.
And it's just like, well, who knows?
This might be a huge game we're in.
And this is how we have to roll it out.
You're
Travis Bader: back to the sucking
energy from other people when they,
when they drop out, there is more
to this thing that we have in life.
I think it may be, it is a big game.
You talk to Sean Taylor
over and over again.
We live in the matrix and he's
got all these reasons why,
Jamie Flynn: but.
Hey, if people believe in religion,
I don't see why we can't believe
this is a simulation at times.
Travis Bader: Well, what do they say?
The probability that we're living
in a simulation, either a, far
exceeds the likelihood that we
don't, or at the best case scenario.
It's a 50, 50.
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.
Part of me still say, you know, like, Hey,
Hey, I grew up religious and you know,
part of me also listen to these arguments
about the simulation and Hey, like I'll
hang on to the, the religious thing.
Like when I was thinking I was going
to die, I, I mean, I tried my best to
say something to God, but before Julio
came in, so my thoughts were there.
Um, but also like, if, if, if we are
in a simulation, like, Hey, what's
wrong with just trying To keep
our player interested, like I play
video games and I like playing it.
And if I get bored of this game
with the board of the player,
well, I should turn it off.
So just in case we are in a simulation,
I'm trying to live an exciting life.
So the, at least the guy playing
me is like, you know what,
you know, he might actually.
It'd be worth seeing where this goes.
Oh, I love that.
Travis Bader: I love that mentality.
Yeah.
Awesome.
We've talked about a fair bit.
I know there's a lot
more that we can talk on.
Is there anything that we
should touch on that we haven't?
Jamie Flynn: So there's a lot, I don't
know what you want to talk about.
You
Travis Bader: know, you, you've got a
lot to share from your life experiences.
You've got stuff to share on the
mental health side, you've got stuff
to share on, uh, dealing with adversity
and, uh, overcoming fear, feeling
the fear, but doing it anyways,
and that's what courage is, right?
It's courage.
Isn't the lack of fear.
You can't have courage without fear.
And from what it sounds like.
You've had to display a fair bit
of courage through your life in
order to achieve these things
that, that you have, it didn't just
come because you had zero fear.
Jamie Flynn: No.
And, and, and these things of like,
especially like high adrenaline, high,
you know, dopamine that you get through
life is like, sometimes it then.
It takes it the complete opposite way, you
know, and I have found myself like pretty
shortly after getting hurt, like in a
really, really bad place a, I didn't have
the support of my unit and granted at that
time, if I'd been like, Hey dude, like I'm
having a bad time, they'd probably laugh
at me, you know, cause our mentality on
mental health was not what it is today.
Um, however, like.
Even though they would have laughed at me,
you know, I would never said it to them.
Like, Hey, I'm, I'm feeling it, but I
would, I would have been around them,
but I wasn't around them at the time.
So I was already out in the military.
So I had no bond there.
The bond I had with base
jumpers just wasn't the same
that I had with the, the paras.
We didn't have the whole peak on me,
the, the arduous Afghanistan, Iraq,
whatever the stuff we went through.
So, you know, I didn't have
these people around me anymore.
Um, and.
I couldn't, you know, life was very
different because things hurt, you know,
my bones hurt, you know, I got metal
in me, I can't run as much as I was.
I just was never at the same level.
So getting into like a really dark
point in my life, like who knows
what you want to call it today,
depression, PTSD, whatever, whatever
it was, it was, it all came crashing
down and you know, life, yeah.
I thought about, you know, things with
Brian and things about like all the
other guys, John and Mark and everyone
else who died on tours that I was on
and, uh, things that I'd seen and,
and felt and other bass jumpers I've
watched die while doing my hobby.
Like all these things were
coming at me and I was like,
well, what am I going to do now?
Because I can't be the person I was.
And, you know, I've gone from being top
of the world to, to no one, you know,
and, and the reality check was that.
You're not special.
None of us are really special.
Yeah.
You can say you're part of a
special force, but you're not.
You're just a bunch of
idiots that are rebels.
Like a bunch of rebels, a
bunch of degenerates who can
just push through the pain.
Yeah.
Mentally, you can do stuff, but there's.
It, things separate and I did get to a
really bad point in my life and I didn't
really know how to get on with it.
So, you know, you did, I did what
I only knew how and did day by day.
Yeah.
And eventually someone, you
know, was telling me about these,
uh, psilocybin and microdosing.
And I was just like, no, not interested.
And they were like, no,
dude, just, just hear it out.
And it's a new thing.
It's, it's gonna, it's going to help.
And it will make you understand.
I was outside of life.
I don't know from the military
is hardcore, no drugs.
And I grew up, I didn't
take any drugs at all.
And yeah, eventually I listened to
this guy and I was like, okay, well,
let's, let's see what happens then.
And, uh, yeah, I got into.
Try in this micro dosing and, and things
started to like come together and try
and like understand the things that I was
doing in life and, you know, understand
the ego that I, you know, that I was
putting out the persona that I was, you
know, portraying myself as, and I found
that the ego and the persona and, uh,
the arrogance and everything else that
I was portraying to everyone wasn't that
I was an asshole and I was, you know, an
horrible person, but this was my defense.
I never really wanted you to know who
I was, so my theory is I would much
prefer that you think I'm an arse.
Then you know who I am, because
if you know who I am, you'll
see the weak side of me.
Yeah, and you'll see the soft side and
you'll see that, you know, the care like
the things that I, you know, I'm upset
about like me losing like my mentor
and life very an early age and you know
that that really affected me and you
know Being dumped by your mother that
affected me like there's there's plenty
of things in this life I get me being
injured and not be able to run As much
as I used to before, that affected me.
So it's like, all these things,
and I never wanted you to see it.
I still wanted you to see that, that tough
guy that, uh, is a bass jumper, not scared
of anything, and, you know, an ex military
dude that just doesn't care, like, and,
and this is where the microdosing actually
helped, and it's sort of been like, you
know what, people don't really care,
they're, you know, you think they care.
But they don't, they're only
caring about their own problems.
Yeah, they're not really focused on you.
Yeah, they might bitch and moan at you
and be like, Ah, you're doing this.
It's just mirroring their problems.
So true.
Yeah, it's not you.
And that's what the whole psilocybin
sort of thing is, uh, has helped me and
it sort of re put me back on a path to
try and like, get my life back in order
and, and I think that's what, What helped
and restarting again in Canada is, you
know, like doing the, doing the micro
dosing, leading up, moving to Canada,
uh, and then restarting again over here
has completely transformed, like the way
things are like, I feel like the life I
had before doing like military contract in
the military, base jumping, whatever else.
It's a different life.
Like I felt like.
Moving to Canada, I've like
drawn a line in the sand and it's
just like, I'm starting again.
Travis Bader: Back to basics.
Back to basics.
You know, we, um, you've been on
a collective, I believe, have you?
Yeah, I have.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, um, you know, Sean.
Yep.
Talking with Sean there and.
I was in his house doing a podcast
and, you know, similar mentality.
He's like, you know, I
don't like medication.
I don't, you know, if I got a
headache, I don't like to take stuff.
I don't do meds.
Cause he was talking about PTSD
and how he came to learn he
had it and that whole story.
And he says, oh yeah, but
you know, I microdose.
Well, hold on a second, like
from, you know, similar upbringing
and raising as yourself.
And he just said, you don't
like drugs, but you microdose.
Oh yeah.
There's any lists off a
couple other things that he's,
uh, he's done in the past.
Uh, and Sonny, you know, Sonny, right?
Heroic heart, heroic hearts.
Yeah.
Uh, there seems to be a hell of a lot
of Of science that's going behind it.
A lot of, um, uh, a lot of research.
I know my wife went to
the, uh, naturopath.
I'm like, if you're going
to the naturopath, can you
ask some questions for me?
Like, is there any like lion's mane?
Like if I want to be able to remember
things when I'm doing a podcast, if I
want to be able to recall stuff, cause
I always have difficulty with that.
It's just stuff in the, uh, uh, naturopath
site, she's a doctor and she says, well.
You know, there's, there's limited
research in that, but, uh, unless
he's looking at micro dosing,
there's a lot of research over there.
So it's interesting that you bring that
Jamie Flynn: up.
Well, it's, it's funny.
I read somewhere the other day that
there's actually been more studies
in micro dosing and how much,
how the benefits of micro dosing
psilocybin has been there ever was
for legalizing cannabis in Canada.
Really?
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Jamie Flynn: Interesting.
Yeah.
We're still trying to legalize
psilocybin and you know, like.
And I, that, that struggles with me
because I, I believe in like, and I'm
not just saying it because it's like,
oh, it's a drug that helps you understand
like microdosing doesn't actually do
anything if you take it and you're
like, well, it's not doing anything.
Well, of course it's not doing it.
You have to do it.
Like you have to still like your
brain, just like the only way I
describe it to like layman terms
is parts of my brain have shut off.
Like, to protect myself
and try and get off.
So I, I feel like in my brain that
there's a door and I've shut that
door because I don't want the bad
stuff to come through that door.
Yeah.
Psilocybin sort of, especially the micro
dosing where you don't actually feel,
you don't trip, you don't nothing, you
don't, you have no feelings of if you
did any sort of drug like you would if
you smoking weed or anything like that.
So, you know, but I feel
like that door gets cracked.
It all gets cracked open and a few
things come out and in your brain, you
can sort of work out those little things
and over time, yeah, you just take those
things out and you're like, oh yeah,
no, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
I can use that to become a better person,
you know, like your, your mother, what,
you know, she dumped you on the side
of the highway, but it's not like, it's
not your fault, but what can you do?
Like it might not even be her fault.
You know, like she had issues herself.
Yeah, clearly, like no
normal person does that.
So there must be issues.
Do I forgive her?
Like, no.
But, I can understand that
something else was going on.
Yeah, and I have a little
bit of compassion for her.
Um, whatever she had to go, go through,
but it should never have occurred to, it
should never have got to this point, but
I need to understand that now I, you know,
I can't deal with her, but I can deal with
my own feelings towards that situation.
And being dumped there is like,
well, what does that mean to me now?
And now I can like look back and be
like, well, can strengthen that today.
And then I can take the next thing out.
Look through the next part of
my life and try and build these
blocks into building a better me.
And it's just like It only how it's only
gonna work if you actually put time and
effort into trying to understand your
past and trying to Be a better person
But if you're not into that then it's
gonna be hard like you're just taking
microdosing it and you're gonna feel
better and you're gonna Have a better
life, but you also need to like look back
at your problems and try and put it all
Travis Bader: together How I've heard
it referred to is just similar to what
you've said there, or it's like fresh
snowfall, like all these tracks down the
mountain and there's a fresh snowfall
and it covers it over and you can
start taking whatever track you want.
You can make, you don't have to
be confined to the ruts, but, um,
essentially it helps you get to a place
where you no longer need to microdose.
So you don't all, you don't, it's
a non dependent sort of thing.
Jamie Flynn: Yeah.
I don't like nowadays I don't microdose.
Right.
Yeah, like it's been back then it was
quite regular and I read up on like
how much too much like what's what
am I doing, you know, and I looked
into it and I was very like stuck to
micro dosing to try and keep going.
And then eventually when I was
like, well, do I need this anymore?
You know, so I, you know, Came off it.
Then I was like, well, I think
I need, it's just like, it was
back and forth for a few years.
And then eventually, you know,
it got bad to like, I don't
think I need this anymore.
I don't need, you know, I I'm good
enough to look back on my own past now
and go, that's, I'm doing this wrong.
Or even the things that I'm
doing presently, I do things
presently and I'm like.
Whoa, fuck.
I should not have said that.
I should not have done that.
And I should have known better.
And then I go back and I like fit there.
And maybe now that's why I use Instagram
rather than like to the side, but I go
back and I'm like, what should I do?
Okay.
And if I write it down, And find a
really cool picture to go with it.
That's how my Instagram
gets done these days.
Nowadays.
It's like, it's what I'm thinking on
Instagram is like, how do I make myself
better from the thing, the dumb things
I'm doing during my day to day, which is
essentially what the microdosing has done.
Travis Bader: That's amazing.
Jamie, maybe we should wrap it here.
And, uh, you know, I, I do have a lot
more questions that I'd like to ask and go
through, but, uh, I think it's lunchtime.
I'll buy you lunch.
Let's do it.
. Thanks very much for being
on this Silver Corp podcast.
Thank
Jamie Flynn: you for having me.
This is being awesome.