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In this episode, Joey and Drew sit down with Lyman Good, a World Champion fighter, entrepreneur, mental health advocate, and one of The Few. They dive deep into Lyman's journey, from growing up in humble beginnings to becoming a World Champion. Tune in to learn about Lyman's story of grit, determination, and following dreams against all odds.
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We're always one no away from a yes. Yep. It's just a matter of outlasting the nos until that yes happens because it will happen. It does for everyone. I think most people just quit too soon, and they're only shy of a few nos until they reach that yes.
Drew Beech:Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.
Joey Rosen:What's going on, Eagles? I'm Joey, and this is the Fuel Hunt Show. I got Drew here to my right this time. Usually, it's my left, to my right.
Drew Beech:You know, I realized I shouldn't have wore a jacket, but now we're, like, really met we're really twinning.
Joey Rosen:Well, it's not same color.
Lyman Good:Yeah.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. A little bit.
Drew Beech:Yours is definitely a step up from mine. Right.
Joey Rosen:Alright. Well, anyway, you're on my right. Because on my left, we have a special guest today. I could use many, many words to describe Lyman. I will try to paint the picture of all of the things that you are.
Joey Rosen:World champion fighter, entrepreneur, actor, servant to humanity, mental health advocate. What else? Philosopher. I'm gonna go with philosopher. JT, Josh from Consequence.
Joey Rosen:I have a culture that and I I absolutely I absolutely loved it, but also a friend. Friend to me, you know, over the past year and somebody that I really respect. So welcome everybody to the show. Drew. Good.
Drew Beech:Happy to be here.
Lyman Good:Thanks for having me, guys. Of course. Of all the things you colorfully described me as, you know, the one I take to heart the most is friend. Because I think, beneath the surface of all those accolades and things, I'm just another human being just like any other guy. You know, humbled and grateful to be here today.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for making the trip down with Mika. You know what I mean?
Joey Rosen:I know it's had a long ride, but it's raining today, the whole thing. So making a trip down HQ, we we appreciate. It's funny because before we started the show, you know, I was I was going through all of those different ways I was gonna describe you. And I mentioned to you that it was almost we've been friends now for a while, and it was almost embarrassing how little I knew about your achievements as a fighter. And we had a little conversation about identity and you saying, you know, look like, yes, I'm all of those things, but at my core, I am who I am.
Joey Rosen:You know what I mean? So I do want to touch a little bit on fighting Of course.
Lyman Good:During the
Joey Rosen:show, mainly because the few want to know about your come up. And when I say come up, we say come up on the show a lot. Really what come up means is what you overcome to become who you are today. And, fighting has been a big part of your life, right, on on the journey. So we'll touch on it a a little bit.
Joey Rosen:I've had the opportunity to join you for dinner in New York. Right? So
Lyman Good:Yes.
Joey Rosen:You are a New Yorker?
Lyman Good:Yes. Yeah. Yeah. At heart.
Joey Rosen:At heart. Yeah.
Lyman Good:Raised in East Harlem, the projects of, you know, old East Harlem. And, yeah, those are my humble beginnings. Yeah. Very proud. Driving on the way up here actually gave me a little bit of, you know, down memory lane.
Lyman Good:Nostalgia?
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:A bit of nostalgia driving up here and seeing the, you know, the buildings, and a lot of it kinda just reminiscent of where I first started from. I'll never pretend to be someone who came from, like, you know, riches or royalty or from greatness. I take pride in having come up from nothing and very little Yeah. And from the, you know, very poor. You know, I I never claimed prosperity in my lineage in life.
Lyman Good:I think for me, it's just more about hard work, the dignity of hard work as
Joey Rosen:you guys
Lyman Good:always describe, and just, literally fighting for what I have.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. Literally literally and figuratively. Right? Like, I've never understood people that accomplish something great and then kind of discard their humble beginnings. Like, they only wanna be associated with their greatness and not where they came from, when really where they came from helped build who they became.
Joey Rosen:You know what I mean?
Lyman Good:Yeah. They I mean, it's sad because part of what we do also for me, for example, and I could give different avenues of, you know, going back and trying to give thanks and appreciation to things.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:1 would be my Hispanic heritage, you know, that I could say, like, look. I'm someone who statistically, you know, speaking, who came up from, you know, an area very much full of drugs, violence, gangs. Could've just fallen to that statistic easily.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:But after, you know, my success and everything I've accomplished, I'm never gonna act like I don't come from that. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna do the opposite. I'm gonna go back and be like, listen. Anyone else who's Hispanic, who's coming up from the projects, who thinks that they can't accomplish or do anything, I did it, and I'm not special. I'm just someone who saw something, I did it, and I'm not special.
Lyman Good:I'm just someone who saw something special myself. It started first with believing in yourself Mhmm. To then saying, like, I could get out of this. I don't need to land as another number on a statistic. I could be one of the few Mhmm.
Lyman Good:And I could accomplish many great things just so that I could look back at the people who think they can't do it simply to tell them that they can.
Joey Rosen:Yep. You can fight for it.
Lyman Good:Absolutely. You can
Joey Rosen:fight for it, like, you know, figuratively and literally. That's the crazy thing about pain. Like, it was not easy. I've got let's talk a little bit about what it was like for you growing up there. I've gotta imagine it was not easy and it was painful.
Joey Rosen:Right? That's the crazy thing about pain because pain can actually be comfortable. You can sit in that pain where you grew up in your upbringing and be comfortable on it and become a victim and say, statistically, I'm not supposed to make it out of here. I'll just wallow in this. You know what I mean?
Joey Rosen:Like, I have an excuse not to fight for a great or you can choose a different type of thing, break out of the comfort zone, and fight to change the statistics. You know what I mean? Or the interpretation of who people thought that you would be.
Lyman Good:It's funny because, just recently I was having a conversation with one of my students at my school talking about, you know, no one really knows happiness until they're met with more. And looking back at my childhood, as far back as I can remember, as a child looking around at my environment, I didn't really see it at the time as, painful or as, you know, not having enough of or anything because I didn't know any better.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:I just knew what I knew. To me, that was my more.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:But you don't know that until your, you know, your your vision gets further down, you know, expanded down the horizons in life, and then you realize, like, there is more. Yep. Then all of a sudden, you're greeted with pain. The pain not of what you have, but the pain of what you don't have yet. And so growing up, I didn't know any better.
Lyman Good:It was just like, you know, I'm just some punk kid getting into, you know, fights. I always felt different from my environment. It's one thing I could say that at least I'm thankful to my younger self for is to not fall in line and to not just, you know, be another sheep and, you know, foster flock. Mhmm. But I think for me growing up, what was more painful was more
Drew Beech:of the
Lyman Good:things to do with family.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:Things that were very much behind closed doors and things that no one really knew about nor I ever spoke about until I was older. Mhmm.
Joey Rosen:But
Lyman Good:the pain of my environment was more of just a condition. It was more of a just an everyday life thing for me. I never knew any better. So, you know, going back to that conversation I had with my student, it just reminded me how we only feel unhappiness when we see more or know that there's more. And if you look at people in third world countries, children who play with rocks, who are hanging out, like, by streams of dirt water, that's their happiness.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:So in the midst of that, during that time, it wasn't so much that it was either painful or not painful. It was just more of it was just my circumstance of life. That was my way of living.
Joey Rosen:It's your reality. Yeah. Yeah. It was your reality. You so, you know, you mentioned gang violence, drugs.
Joey Rosen:Right? Like, if anybody's familiar with Spanish Harlem, they probably understand that at surface level. Right?
Lyman Good:Yeah. All you gotta say is, East Harlem or Spanish Harlem. Yep. Jefferson Projects, Johnson Projects.
Joey Rosen:Yep. You
Lyman Good:know exactly what's up, you know, which gangs and everything.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. For sure. You mentioned fighting as a kid. Right? I know a little bit about those fights.
Joey Rosen:The few probably don't.
Lyman Good:Heard. Yeah.
Joey Rosen:Probably don't.
Lyman Good:Stories about you. You gotta hear a reputation about you.
Joey Rosen:No. I got my ass beat going up. I'm gonna have to We're gonna have to
Drew Beech:We have
Joey Rosen:we have a swear jar. Every time I swear, I have to put a 20 in it. Alright. And then the, the twenties go to Josh over a consequence of habit as a donation. So fresh out of twenties from the premier shows we filmed today.
Joey Rosen:So I I'll bring
Drew Beech:it down. We're not even here for
Joey Rosen:a bucket. Tell so let's get into some of those instances of fighting as a kid for you when you were in school, and then how that led you into fighting as a career or finding martial arts. Let's put it that way. Yeah.
Lyman Good:So I had no, recollection of wanting to get into martial arts, to be honest. It was all through the thought process of my my mother who got me involved much later. But long before that, when I say fighting, what I mean was more, I don't wanna throw more on the bills, but I'll I'll contribute this one to JT. But pretty much beating the shit out of bullies growing up because it was one thing that really bothered me. I I I can't tell you as a kid just how much I boiled my blood seeing people pick on young, weaker people.
Lyman Good:You know? And I've seen it, especially, you know, in the in the schools in that area where I grew up in. There's a lot of bullying. So I threw caution to the wind. Didn't really care for the education system to begin with.
Lyman Good:Mhmm. So to me, it was of no bother to get kicked out or expelled from school for beating up a bully if I see someone picking on another kid. You know? Whether I like the kid or not, didn't matter. I at least use that as a opportunity to vent and release a lot of rage and hate and anger that I grew up with Mhmm.
Lyman Good:To at least release it on someone I thought was deserving of it. Yeah. So those were my fights growing up, and I was pretty much throughout the years kicked out of schools. I've think if I remember correctly, 5 schools that I've, been kicked out of so far. Yeah.
Lyman Good:I got a little bit
Drew Beech:of info.
Lyman Good:Yeah. Rap sheet.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. Yeah. Right.
Lyman Good:But, funny enough, I, I grew up with a Catholic school upbringing.
Joey Rosen:K.
Lyman Good:Then my first school getting kicked out of was from a Catholic high school, LaSalle Academy. Mhmm. But, yeah, fighting was more about not fighting in the environment, but more about fighting for others. Sure.
Drew Beech:When you got kicked out of LaSalle Academy, was it for fighting a bully for that specific reason?
Lyman Good:Yeah. So there was there was this kid. I was on a track team in LaSalle Academy, and, there was another person who was on the team with us. His name was Patrick. Big tall kid, who was just chucking pennies.
Lyman Good:Like, he had a handful of pennies out of his pocket randomly. He was just throwing pennies at the back of this kid's head. It looked like if you guys ever seen Dexter's Laboratory? Yeah. Yeah.
Lyman Good:Like, spitting image.
Drew Beech:Yeah. Pocket
Lyman Good:protector and everything. And he was throwing pennies at him, and I'm just standing there watching this. I'm like, the kid would not even move. He was so frightened and just felt so paralyzed by wanting to stand up for himself that he just stood there and took get hit in the back of the head with these pennies. And I'm like, in my head, like, what it like, why isn't he you know what I mean?
Lyman Good:It was it was just so I mumbled something under my breath. The kid told me something to the effect of, you know, mind my own business or whatever. And back then, I was contrary to what it seems now with very composed and calm Yeah. That I have. I was the opposite growing up.
Lyman Good:I was very wild. I wouldn't give warning shots to anyone. I would just walk up to people and just hit them and attack people. Yeah. I'd have, I never said this out publicly, but I used to have violent outbursts going out as a child.
Lyman Good:And, that was the start of it for me. I just walked up to the kid Patrick's just threw one mean right hand, the hardest I could throw it, throw this tooth.
Drew Beech:Damn.
Lyman Good:And then
Joey Rosen:Damn.
Lyman Good:I didn't get suspended or expelled yet because I had the dean of discipline of the school. I don't know why, but always had some kind of soft side to his heart towards me. And he said, look. You can't be doing things like this. Obviously, it's not good.
Lyman Good:Yeah. But the but I see something in you as well. I I see that you're just a troubled kid. You have problems. Like, he was kinda almost, like, feeling sorry for me.
Drew Beech:Yeah.
Lyman Good:Yeah. And he gave me a second chance. Then I got threatened by this other kid, some Italiano wannabe. He was, like, saying he was gonna threaten me after school. Nothing to it.
Lyman Good:Long story short, he said he was gonna wait for me after school with a bunch of, like, friends of his. Yeah. I waited after school, didn't see anyone. I just saw him walking home, so I snuck up behind him. I remember stomping him out on a freaking in front of a deli.
Lyman Good:You know? And the dean of discipline pulled me in. It was like, listen. My hands are tied now. I wish you good luck in everything you do in life.
Lyman Good:I see there's something there, but I also see that you're troubled. You have some problems that you need to help, you know, get fixed. And I hope you could resolve them down the road in life. You know? And that was that was the end of my Catholic school
Joey Rosen:years, you know. Hell, yeah.
Lyman Good:After that, man, I it was, Washington Irving, High School, for I think for a while.
Joey Rosen:Repeating yourself? Same Yeah.
Lyman Good:It was just same cycles. Just different, different bullies.
Joey Rosen:The irony in in and it is like, you know, we're all we all have something in our past, right, that that causes us to beat a bully up or maybe sometimes causes us to be a bully. Like, the irony in the situation is those people that were bullying, they probably had something deep down too that was causing that behavior. It was just like a different manifestation of it and, like, you know, folks needed to be healed, but at the time, I support what you were doing.
Drew Beech:That's how I feel about everyone on social media nowadays. I mean, I feel like we find ourselves just constantly hating on one another. Everyone
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Drew Beech:To get likes and comments is throwing shade at someone else or putting someone else down. And even the people in the comments are just so aggressive and and just mean for lack of a better word, and I just whenever I'm reading those comments or even comments on our post sometimes, like, I hope your day gets better. I hope you heal from whatever you're going through.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Drew Beech:And people don't even take that. They get offended by you even saying that or wishing that on them because they're like, oh, fuck you. Like, what do you well
Lyman Good:Because they wanna fight.
Drew Beech:They're saying Exactly.
Lyman Good:It's they they push you so that you could push them back.
Drew Beech:But if
Lyman Good:you push if they push you and you hug back Mhmm. Or you're like, what's going on? I know there's something there to talk. It's like it throws them off, and I think it forces someone who might have pushed, you know, metaphorically speaking
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:In a position where now they have to be vulnerable. Yep. And that's where the problem lies is that it's easy to hide pain with anger. It's easy to hide it. You know, personally speaking, it's very easy to also hide pain with, you know, violence or acts of, like, like, making fun of other people because it distracts from the attention on them.
Lyman Good:Yeah. And it's true what they say. Like, hurt people hurt people. Yep. Yep.
Lyman Good:And, you know, I'm on a campaign of life now, you know, phase in life where I'm also realizing that healed people heal people as well.
Joey Rosen:Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So well so well said, man. That's the truth. So, you know, you're you're making your way through a couple of high schools because of the fighting.
Joey Rosen:At some point, your mother suggests martial arts. Right?
Lyman Good:Yeah. There's she she suggested several activities to try to, you know, try to get my, I guess, get my demons out.
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:So I was always into art at the time. Mhmm. But I got locked up in a psychiatric unit because part of my art and what I'd write in the journal got found, by, an authority from the school that I was attending at the time and deemed it necessary to, I guess, address it to, met you know, to the hospital. And after evaluation, given my history, skipping over a lot of other stories too about, you know, self inflicted harm and things I used to do to myself back, you know, in my childhood. Dave, locked me up.
Lyman Good:He kept me in a psych ward. You know? And I was on antidepressants growing up. I was on a lot of medications. I was on a lot
Joey Rosen:of tests. Is this around? So you're still high school age? Yeah. Yeah.
Joey Rosen:Okay.
Lyman Good:My memory of childhood in that time of my life is a little foggy.
Joey Rosen:Sure.
Lyman Good:But, a lot of it was just blurs with every occasional random, glimpses of clarity
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:Of moments that I remember that stuck out to me.
Joey Rosen:And one
Lyman Good:of them was being in a hospital. Another one was from the antidepressants I was taking. I overdosed on a whole, vial of it.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. You
Lyman Good:know, almost out of humor because these things that were in this vial, these pills are supposed to be like a magic pill to make me happy. It was not making me happy.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:And I said, you know, fuck it. And I just downed the whole thing, downed the hatch
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:And, ended up in a hospital. Had to get my stomach pumped. So there was already and all this in the same hospital that I was also born in, so I had all my records there.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:When I got out of the psychiatric unit, I remember for the first time, I felt this anger that felt different than the anger I felt before. It wasn't towards people any longer. It was more towards life, towards myself Mhmm. And towards the desire for change. And I remember one of the things I said to myself was that I can't rely on these external things to make me be who I see myself as, as this person that's burning inside of me.
Lyman Good:You know that yearning that you have. You know that feeling.
Joey Rosen:You
Lyman Good:wouldn't be doing what you guys are doing right now if you weren't chasing that.
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:That that I was feeling then, I didn't know how to describe it, was just calling, and it was, like, begging to just, like, rip out of my flesh. And so I started to try to make some changes. One of them was just getting rid of therapists because they weren't doing anything for me. Mhmm. The other was getting rid of all my medications because all that was good in me was terrible side effects.
Lyman Good:I was getting locked jaw, muscle spasms. I was get I was very seeing, like, how white I was, very pale and pacey and just terrible. I felt like a zombie. I wasn't really myself. So I got rid of all that, and, then my mom saw that I was actually trying hard, and she saw I was struggling too.
Lyman Good:So that's when, you know, the life changing idea came about, and she said, why don't we do martial arts? I'll do it with you because she knows how I think. I don't do things unless it involves her or something.
Joey Rosen:And she
Lyman Good:goes, let's do it together as a hobby. So we did our research. We started training.
Joey Rosen:Had she done anything like that up until this point previously?
Lyman Good:That's not at all. No. That's amazing. She's she's she's crazy like that. She'll just throw herself in any situation.
Lyman Good:You know my mom, she's she's very unconventional. She's fly with the wind. Let's just be free. Like, you know, like, she she's ride or die. She's that type of woman that would do anything for her children, you know, for myself and my 2 sisters.
Lyman Good:But she said, let's go train martial arts. We did our research, looked up the nearest one to us, and the best one that we had found still to this day is the best, which is my heart, my family now. It's Tiger Schulman's.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:That's where, you know So
Joey Rosen:that is that's where, so you started with you've been team Tiger Schulman since the very beginning?
Lyman Good:My whole life. Yeah.
Drew Beech:That's the
Lyman Good:day I die. That's my
Drew Beech:Amazing. Loyal teammate. Yeah.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Drew Beech:Yeah. Hanging out
Lyman Good:on me.
Drew Beech:Period. Period.
Lyman Good:That's it. Representing.
Drew Beech:Do you have the same I don't Taekwondo, right, is, Cyrus Shulman?
Lyman Good:No. Yeah. Mixed martial arts now?
Drew Beech:Oh, okay.
Lyman Good:So it traditionally went for many years, it was traditional martial arts.
Joey Rosen:Okay.
Lyman Good:They had katas and forms, and then it was more like it wasn't taekwondo, but it was karate.
Drew Beech:Okay.
Lyman Good:And the style which Tiger derived from was, kyokushin karate, just his origins.
Drew Beech:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:But over the years, that changed. I got into it at the point when they changed and started, adapting to the mix martial arts. Oh, really? They've always been in mixed martial arts. They've been, you know, doing jiu jitsu, kickboxing, and other things.
Lyman Good:Mhmm. But the model of martial arts that they were teaching at the schools back then was more traditional.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. Got you. Okay.
Drew Beech:Do you have the same, would it be a sensei or a professor? What do you guys refer to them as?
Lyman Good:Coaches. We have a team of coaches now.
Joey Rosen:Do you
Drew Beech:have the same one you did when you came on? Yes, sir. That's Yep.
Lyman Good:Got it. I'm guessing. Morning. You know, it's one thing about me is I'm a loyal dog, sometimes to a fault. Yeah.
Lyman Good:But, you know, I I I plant flags, and I stay there until, you know, the flag's no more or the ground crumbles or the earth dies. You know?
Joey Rosen:So, like
Drew Beech:So your relationship with him has to be
Lyman Good:They're like fathers to me because I never had a father growing up.
Joey Rosen:K.
Lyman Good:And, they took me in from the streets and changed me into the man that I am today. They helped pave the way. They didn't do it for me. They just gave me the tools.
Joey Rosen:Sure.
Lyman Good:And they proved that if I truly wanted it, I'd have to go after it. But at least they kinda laid out the map for me to become that man.
Drew Beech:So And well Go ahead.
Joey Rosen:Different location, or is it the location that you now own?
Lyman Good:So it's, that location has become the the spot that I own now.
Joey Rosen:Uh-huh.
Lyman Good:It's on 19th Street in Manhattan, lower lower area of Manhattan.
Joey Rosen:K.
Lyman Good:But that that that school has since closed down, and we reopened a few blocks down the road. That is my location now.
Joey Rosen:Okay. Gotcha.
Lyman Good:So essentially almost taken over the Manhattan school that I started in when I first started training. Amazing.
Joey Rosen:Is there story. Is there a point where your mom splits off? Like, you you start taking to the training? She's still training.
Drew Beech:She's like, oh
Lyman Good:my god.
Joey Rosen:I'm just
Drew Beech:saying I'm just gonna say, like, She's
Lyman Good:a she's
Drew Beech:been like.
Lyman Good:She's been a little in my egg. She's been busy with, you know, property and things in Puerto Rico. But Yeah. You know? Is there if you're watching, get your butt back in.
Drew Beech:Is there a bell system in in your okay.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Drew Beech:So is she, like, the highest ranking belt there?
Lyman Good:She she's up there. She's a a green belt, high green.
Drew Beech:But it
Lyman Good:but it's also belts are merited by time and consistency. And, you know, she's she's been she's been consistent just as of late. She's been busy with traveling and with life and, you know, things.
Drew Beech:I was gonna say too. It sounds like your coaches knew to provide you with the tools, but they're not gonna do the work for you. And I think that's a great way of teaching, that way I tried to teach my son. Right? I'm not gonna step in and do things for him all the time, but where I feel as though in today's society, a lot of parents, especially, do that for their kids.
Drew Beech:They literally do the work for them and solve their problem. And you always said, I'm not gonna steal your problems away. And that was that's one thing that stuck with me always is that I'm gonna steal your problems from you. And being someone that practices in martial art and jiu jitsu, a lot of people there's a lot of hate on the, traditional aspects of martial arts nowadays. I imagine he wants to, like, do jujitsu and have fun, like, 10 playing the style, I guess.
Drew Beech:But, like, it's just a it's not a traditional way of the martial arts, but I think there is the the school we go to, Grace Baja, there's a bit of tradition still left in the martial arts, but I I think to to apply that to your story, I think that's maybe what helped you change. Right? Like, the the martial arts and what they were derived from.
Joey Rosen:Not just the training, but the values. Yeah. Right? That you
Lyman Good:Martial arts definitely saved my life. It changed it a 100%. I don't know where I would be if it wasn't for martial arts. K. So the adaptation of the tools and the instruments to success that were laid out, but they weren't, you know, like, my my coach never grabbed a hammer from me or the drills and then, you know, power tooled his way through my life.
Lyman Good:He just showed me how to use it. He backed off, and he'd watch what I do
Joey Rosen:with it. And then,
Lyman Good:of course, correct. There's a there's a condition and a very beautiful one that occurs when you allow someone discomfort. That brings me back to one of the questions I had asked you when you were on the Good Theory podcast, relevant to how you raise children, you know, your your kids. Yeah. And how much discomfort will you allow for her to go through until, you know, like, alright.
Lyman Good:Dad's daddy's gotta step in, but you kinda let her go through it for the conditions of change, for the conditions of the beauty of transformation that occurs in discomfort. Yeah. So there's definitely something there. There's a formula, and it's not a secret. We all know that, you know, when you want it bad, you'll figure out.
Lyman Good:Yeah. Most people in life who find problems, it would be interesting to find out in a, you know, in a made up world. Let's imagine this. Yeah. Someone literally put a gun to them and said, if you don't do this thing that will give you success in life, like, I'm gonna
Joey Rosen:9 times out of 10.
Lyman Good:You know?
Joey Rosen:They they they solve the problem. I'm telling you right now.
Lyman Good:So we create our own problems, so we could also create our own solutions. It's just when we live up here
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:It's the worst place to live in. Hell is in our heads.
Joey Rosen:Yep. Yeah. I I agree. 1 thank you for reminding me. I remember saying that a lot in the beginning of our journey.
Joey Rosen:Like, I'm not gonna steal this problem. Mhmm. Because when I reflected on my own life, the things that made me feel the most self worth Mhmm. Were problems I solved by myself. And not saying that I didn't have a mentor there or someone that showed me the tools or how to use them, but they showed me.
Joey Rosen:They said, hey, look, I think this is a tool you can apply in this situation. And then they walked away. Yeah. And I had solved the problem. Nobody stole it from me.
Joey Rosen:Me. And even the wave of entitlement that we're seeing in society today, it's because for good reasons, we're with good intentions, A lot of problems were stolen from us as you
Drew Beech:It's funny that he asked you on that podcast because I always that's a constant question I ask myself and reflection I have is my son comes home from school to a loving family, gets kisses and hugs, gets waking waking up with cuddles, it's called the bed. And I grew up in a much different type of environment. Right? Like, my product divorce, so there was some domestic, like, disputes and and just a lot of trauma that happened that I believe caused me to be the person I am today because I overcame and learned how to deal with that that trauma and that adversity. So I always think, like, how the hell is he gonna turn out if I don't manufacture some adversity into his life?
Drew Beech:So I do make him do all things. He's already cold punching. He's all, like, doing workouts every day. He knows, like, there's work that has to be done, and I feel bad. I mean, I'm I tell him he has to do this hard thing because I I wanna just make it easy for him, but I know I can't.
Joey Rosen:No. You can't. You're right. I mean, some of it nowadays manufactured because we're just there's so much comfort. You know?
Lyman Good:It's controlled pain, controlled discomfort. It's like just having levers and dials on the level of discomfort enough to not break them, but enough to make them.
Joey Rosen:Yep. When I was on your show, I mentioned, like, trying. Like, I keep it real simple with my girls. It's like you have to try. And even Eddie spoke about trying when he was on the show.
Joey Rosen:Eddie Alvarez was a guest on our show a little while ago. And he said he tells his kids the same thing. Like, try. Yeah. So when they come to me and and it's natural for a kid because your child knows you have the solution.
Joey Rosen:Right? So when your child comes to you and says, hey. I need help or they were coming to you for the solution, you've got a say. How many times have you tried? Like, that's my thing.
Joey Rosen:I go back to Everly or Cecilia, and I say, how many times have you tried? And there's, like, a threshold. Like, there's a number, and it's high.
Lyman Good:Yeah.
Joey Rosen:You know? And I'll give carrots. Like, I'll give clues sometimes, but I will never steal a prop. Yeah. You know?
Joey Rosen:It sets them up for a life of entitlement and waiting to be saved instead of them saving themselves, which the age that our kids are at, saving yourself is gonna have a whole another meaning by the time they get to the age that we're all at right here.
Lyman Good:Absolutely. You know what I mean?
Drew Beech:And I do love martial arts and and wrestling too so much because I was never a great wrestler, a standout wrestler. But being in the room and getting my head bounced off of mat repeatedly taught me so much about life. Like, even today, like, I'm not the best jujitsu practitioner.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:But I
Drew Beech:show up every day because I I love the pain and and that feeling post post training where you're just, like, dead inside, but you really you're you've been reborn. It all. You've been reborn. Mhmm. You know what I mean?
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Drew Beech:And having him in that at the he's at 7 already experiencing. And there is time he's caught in triangles or or getting his his his arm ripped off. Like, it it even the other, like, the other day, it gets uncomfortable to to
Joey Rosen:even Yeah.
Drew Beech:Let it happen, but I I have to sit there and and let it happen. You have to know when to tap too because I told him last night. Like, you can always tap early, tap often because you always train again. And but you're you're humbling yourself
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:In doing so. Humbling, I think, is the keyword. I think we obviously romanticize the idea of the win, you know, the submission, the knockout, the the favorable aspects of martial arts, of course. Sure. But there's there's a part of that formula that is not as sexy and it's not as humbling or, you know, cool as losing, you know, quote, unquote losing.
Lyman Good:And in martial arts, that's why it's humbling is because you're going to fall. You're going to tap. You're gonna get hurt, you're gonna hit, you know. Of course not hurt in a way, it was like bad hurt, but I mean, like, you're gonna get touched. I tell my students all the time, like, everybody has a number.
Lyman Good:And I always ask my students at the end of class, what does that mean? And they know by now the ones who've trained with me for many years, I say, the number of jabs I throw for me to get good at it is not the same that it'll take you to get good at it, for you to get good at it. We all have a different number. Our number just means how many times we have to fall before we finally get it. So failure is a process.
Lyman Good:It's part of the formula. And I tell my students all the time as well, like, if you don't if you don't fall, how do you learn to stand? And you need that. That's why martial arts is one of the most transformative, most transcendental things that there is in this life because it's honest. It's raw.
Lyman Good:There's no cheating it. There's no winning it over with any money. There's nothing other than what you put in is what you get out. Sweat, blood, and tears. That's the currency of growth and that's what.
Drew Beech:Yep. It was real quick. On to that point, it's this is a much less, elegant way of saying this, but I heard a story on Instagram or whatever. It was like when you tell when a baby falls, like, when they're trying to walk, they don't just say, okay. I'll quit now.
Drew Beech:I'll stop trying to walk now. They keep they stand up effort as many times as it takes
Lyman Good:Oh my
Drew Beech:gosh. To
Joey Rosen:to walk.
Drew Beech:And when
Lyman Good:you think
Drew Beech:about that, it's like like, oh my god. Like Yeah.
Joey Rosen:Even like JJ told us, you know, a baby will fall 20 times in 1 hour Yeah. While learning to walk. Right? And now in our thirties and forties, we fail once, and we're like, oh, it's over. Like, we're gonna quit now.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. It doesn't it's not how we're engineered.
Lyman Good:That's so
Drew Beech:think we should've we shouldn't lose for some reason. Like, we just everything we try should just turn to gold.
Lyman Good:I've told I've told my students that, actually. It's a it's a known fact. Quitting is actually an acquired characteristic of humans. There's we were not born to quit because if we did, as you guys, you know, just stated, a child who falls, they're not gonna I'm not gonna walk for the rest of my life. They're gonna learn and, you know, we we are born resilient.
Lyman Good:Physiologically, also speaking, we we unlearn things. For example, breathing. Even how we breathe, we unlearn how to breathe. We stomach breathe as babies. Animals stomach breathe.
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:We chest breathe as adults because we're introduced, you know, as we go older to discomfort, to pain, to adversity.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:So it is up to us to educate ourselves in how to breathe, metaphorically speaking
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:And how not to quit. You know? If you fall, keep walking like you did as a child. I think we just forgot that process.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. We unlearned it. We learned worst worst habits. You know?
Drew Beech:Got nasal breathing. It's all
Lyman Good:what's that?
Drew Beech:Nasal breathing. So you gotta you gotta
Lyman Good:learn how to nasal breathing.
Drew Beech:You go. Tape your mouth.
Lyman Good:Meditation helps with that. Exactly. Yeah. Taping your mouth and, you know
Joey Rosen:You ever
Drew Beech:see a baby squat, though? Like, they have perfect swap for them.
Joey Rosen:Uh-huh.
Drew Beech:And then somehow like my swap. Somehow when we're adult, we aren't able to swap perfectly anymore because we unlearn those good habits that we always Yep. Always have.
Lyman Good:As your good friend, JT, says, you know, consequence of habit. Yeah. They're good habits, bad habits, but there's also unconscious habits, and they form in a very specific age of our developmental years without us even knowing. And then we arrive as adults, and we're like, wait. Why does this keep happening?
Lyman Good:Why do I blah blah blah? Why? You know? You're asking yourself why. Just you just forgot when you shaped and formed those habits that created who you are today as a person.
Lyman Good:We are just basically a series of habits, routines, and rituals.
Joey Rosen:Yep. All the way down to, you know, self sabotage and things like that. It's things that we learned. You know what
Drew Beech:I mean?
Joey Rosen:When we were when we were younger. Let's talk a little bit about and we don't have to touch on, you know, your whole career. But let's talk a little bit about the you mentioned blood, sweat, and tears being the currency in martial arts. Right? So, you start martial arts.
Joey Rosen:You begin your journey with your mother that you're continuing with her, which is freaking amazing. How quickly does it turn into a profession for you?
Lyman Good:I don't know the exact moment the thought occurred to me that this is something I could do for the rest of my life. Mhmm.
Joey Rosen:But
Lyman Good:I just knew instantly I fell in love with it to a point where I said this is what I wanna do for the rest of my life.
Joey Rosen:Sure.
Lyman Good:I didn't know or cared if it was gonna bring me success, money, or accolades, or anything. Just being there with the sound of leather hitting leather, the the sound of people struggling, the this emanating smell of just the sweat and
Joey Rosen:the hard work in there.
Lyman Good:You look at other people, you know, just going through this battle of attrition, of, you know, struggling to get out of a position or move in submission, and they get out, and then they attack back. I'm like, this is a a whole world that I've missed out on. You know? So I just know instantly there was just love for the sport. I didn't know that I was gonna fight, to be honest.
Lyman Good:Mhmm. And I didn't know I was also gonna teach for a living at the time. It's just something that naturally just happened little by little. It I guess to answer your question or to give an answer to that probably started in the hands of someone else. You know, it was going back to my coaches because we don't see for ourselves what others see.
Lyman Good:There's a vantage point that your, you know, your mentors or other people have that we don't.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:That's a circumstance of, that's a side effect of, you know, not believing yourself, etcetera. You know, we it's a whole other topic. But, my mentors and my coaches thought, they saw in me that I could do something with this, That I had a passion for it. And I think they also saw, not just technically speaking, I did something I could do because I wasn't the best at it. I was just wild.
Lyman Good:Remember, I'm I'm just I'm this kid coming from the streets who just, like, beating up bullies, grew up in East Harlem. I didn't have I had zero technique. I was just a wild kid, and I swung for the fences. I I was no technique at all. Just crazy and wild.
Lyman Good:So I don't think they were telling me that I could do something with this, technically speaking. At the end, they just meant you could do something with this here. Because there's something I see. You just don't know it yet. Yep.
Lyman Good:And, fast forwarding through the years of this training every single day because I loved it, did it every single day. I got my first job working at that school because they wanted, I guess, either not just test me, but to also just give me the keys so that they can leave. Because they're like, dude, this kid never freaking leaves. Yeah. So, like,
Drew Beech:you know, mid
Joey Rosen:night on the podcast.
Lyman Good:Just take the keys, clean up, make sure you lock up behind yourself. Yeah. So I'm very grateful for the trust that they gave me because it was a gigantic school and just one, it was just me. Sure. They didn't really know, but they knew, you know, I wouldn't take advantage of it.
Drew Beech:And getting paid to do that must have been a dream. Like, not not felt like work at all. Right?
Lyman Good:I just loved it. Like, dude, I was scrubbing the showers, like, overnight, and then by the time the morning class the morning instructor had to come in to teach his class, he's coming in to see me, like, in the shower scrubbing, and then he's like, dude, what are
Joey Rosen:you doing?
Lyman Good:You still here? I was like, yeah. Yeah. What time is class? So just fast forward in through years of that kind of work, the love of it, not for money, not for currency of anything other than blood, sweat, and tears Yeah.
Lyman Good:Led my coach to give me my first flight. That I think was a transforming moment for me where I said I could do this. This is something that I do see myself doing.
Joey Rosen:Did you did you win your first fight?
Lyman Good:Yeah. I was grateful for consecutive 10 and o record. 10th fight was, Bellator welterweight champion. So I'd be I was crowned a welterweight champion in Bellator. I slept in a cage for 3 months to prepare for that.
Joey Rosen:Leading up to that fight.
Drew Beech:I was gonna bring that up.
Lyman Good:It was so back then, Bellator was, it was a tournament style. So it was one fight every 3
Joey Rosen:every 30 days.
Lyman Good:Every month, I had to fight back to back. So my coaches are like, alright. Well, you need to sleep here then because that's a lot of training. I want you training 247. Like, he was just that, you know, like
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:And I didn't second guess him. I didn't ask any questions. I said, alright.
Joey Rosen:I mean, why would you when they mentored you so well up until this point and you were following your passion, like, of course. Yeah. Right?
Lyman Good:Remember too, I I didn't I didn't have a father growing up, so I was eating that up. It was my first time experiencing a fatherly figure. Pouring into?
Joey Rosen:Yeah. Yep.
Lyman Good:Yeah. Filling that void that I felt my entire life. So I was gonna go in whatever direction he was telling me in. So as long as I felt it, it was right in my heart Yep. Which I did.
Lyman Good:Did you
Drew Beech:did you latch on to that, though? Like, that was when you when like you said earlier, you said you don't know what happiness is or until you experience more. So you were experiencing more than you ever had received from your father. Did you know at the time consciously that that was, like, like, you were feeling you felt that feeling of love and connection, and you were at the time, like, enthralled by that, and you were like, okay. This is like, this guy is basically a dad to me, or do you look back now and see that?
Lyman Good:I felt right there and then an instant connection
Drew Beech:Yeah.
Lyman Good:To not only his tutelage, but to his heartfelt messages to me because I felt too that it wasn't just about fighting. I wasn't just a workhorse for him, someone who's a prospect that's gonna help, you know, build their their name and, you know, the the the Tiger Sholomance brands. It was more of this concern. They were generally always worried. It was just a sense that I felt I think at first, it I never trusted people.
Lyman Good:I never trusted men. I had a experience as a child, you know, of, sexual abuse, with my own family members. And there was this distrust that I have always had, especially towards men, especially because there was only that spot, although it was filled by someone who was absent in my life, my own father, still I'm not sure if this will make sense to you. There was I would rather have that relationship to avoid because that was my father than to try to fill that void with someone else because at least that void was still my father's, if that makes sense.
Joey Rosen:Makes perfect sense.
Lyman Good:Mhmm. And so yeah.
Joey Rosen:You were come up to Bellator welterweight world champ. Right? You said 10 fights. Were they all Bellator fights? No.
Joey Rosen:That was 3. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. Okay. So then, at some point, you find yourself in the UFC. Right? How did that transition happen from Bellator to UFC?
Lyman Good:So after after Bellator, I, I needed, I guess, some more time to, I guess, to get into the UFC. I needed more fights. For whatever reason, you know, not to get political or anything, but there was you know, I think to be fair, I just needed more fights, and I needed to just knock out more people. Although I I finished all 3 people and my Bellator come up
Joey Rosen:Yes.
Lyman Good:To the championship. Need to
Joey Rosen:buy more people in your body of work.
Lyman Good:Needed a higher stack of bodies, I think.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. Yeah.
Lyman Good:So needed a 13 second knockout. I needed, you know, to go out there and just drop people, and so I did. You know, I I don't hold the sport or anything against me. You know? At the end of the day, it's a matter of my own performance.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. So I
Lyman Good:was like, alright. Let's just keep fighting, stay on stay on the track, not get discouraged, you know, just enchanted by the journey. That's part of it. God is telling me, you know, just stay just stay the path.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. It's
Lyman Good:not it's not knocking on your door. There without naming names, there was people that I I fought in my past that I know I've I've beaten who made it to the UFC, and I'm just like, what the is going on here?
Joey Rosen:Like, this
Lyman Good:is this and I was at a point where I'm like, I'm doing all this to just getting these doors slammed on me. Mhmm. Like, what's the point? You know? I remember I had a moment too.
Lyman Good:I'm like, what is the point of all this then?
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:But I said, no. Let's let's let's keep you know, carry on. Yeah. Carry on. Like, keep your chin up.
Lyman Good:Just keep plowing through and just just keep fighting.
Joey Rosen:Channeling your love of martial arts, your love of the game, and also probably some things that you had to prove, I would think, or maybe some anger that you haven't yet released Yeah. Where I'm thinking things that you had to tap into to make sure that you didn't quit in those moments. Right? Like, when you had that moment, like, what is this all worth? Like, what is this why am I doing this?
Joey Rosen:Is this even worth it? I'm I'm assuming that those things came up. Not just the the positive love that you had for the game, but potentially the negative anger you had or the things you needed to prove to yourself or others in life kept you going, I'm assuming.
Lyman Good:So there's a there's a spark and a flame. And I think for me, the spark is my love for the sport
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:And the flame is that the worst thing you could say to me is no. Because then I will make it now my mission to prove you wrong. I tell Mica that all the time, my girlfriend. I tell her the worst thing someone can tell me is no. Yeah.
Lyman Good:As much as it'll be disenchanting or it's a door slam on my face, we're always one no away from a yes. Yep. It's just a matter of outlasting the nos until that yes happens because it will happen. It does for everyone. I think most people just quit too soon, and they're only shy of a few nos until they reach that yes.
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:So those are my two things that kept me going during that time. And I was like, listen. Keep training, stay in shape, be ready because in the sport of MMA, you have to be ready at all times. There's no season. Yeah.
Lyman Good:You know? There's no on and off
Joey Rosen:seasons
Lyman Good:when it comes to the sport. Mhmm. I get a call, a 2 week notice. Right? Of course.
Lyman Good:Nothing comes easy.
Joey Rosen:But you're ready.
Lyman Good:But I'm ready. You know? And that's ultimately you know, you talked about it on the show. You said, you know, what success really is is just preparation and opportunity meeting. You know?
Lyman Good:And that is ultimately what happened. You know? I was training. I was already in shape. My love for sport kept me doing that.
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:And then I just, one day, got a call from the UFC to, like, yo, we got this fight out in Cali for you. Someone got hurt. We need a last minute replacement. It was
Drew Beech:a 2
Lyman Good:week notice fight. Sure.
Joey Rosen:Let's go.
Lyman Good:Yeah. I went there.
Joey Rosen:Were you already on weight?
Lyman Good:I'm not ever really no. I'm on a weight list, let's be honest. But, to cut weight, yeah. I mean, within the That window. Yeah.
Lyman Good:The Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The window of no well to wait walks around with
Drew Beech:that well
Joey Rosen:to wait.
Drew Beech:And 2 weeks is about the sweet spot. Like, is that why they I feel like it's always 2 weeks now. Yeah.
Lyman Good:It's the 2 week mark.
Drew Beech:So that's about the point where they're like, okay. You can cut from there.
Lyman Good:But, bro, I've I'll I'll suffer whatever it takes for me to make the wait. I've lost as much as, like, there was a a a failed experiment that happened in one of my weight cuts where I had to lose, like, 19 and a half pounds in the same day, all water. Woah. Like and then I had to go to the hospital afterwards.
Joey Rosen:Oh, shit.
Lyman Good:I still went to the fight. That that was actually my 13 second knockout afterwards. I just went to the hospital.
Drew Beech:You went
Joey Rosen:down. Get this done.
Drew Beech:And then still not to do that in 13 seconds? Jesus.
Lyman Good:K. Yeah. That was that was back then. I was in Bellator, still LaVon Maynard, that fight. But, anyways, it was just a matter of being just prepared and just ready.
Lyman Good:I got the call, and then I was fortunate enough, you know, to win that fight. Got my knockout, my first knockout in the UFC, you know, and then just went on to keep fighting to present day.
Joey Rosen:Yep. So now let's let's bring it to to the present. Now you are a sensei. I left that out in the beginning. I should have said sensei, teacher, at Tiger Showings Yes.
Joey Rosen:In in Manhattan. So you're teaching. Right?
Lyman Good:Full time.
Joey Rosen:You also have full time. You also have Good Theory. Mhmm. Right?
Lyman Good:Full time.
Joey Rosen:Full time. Right? Full time. Right? There's no no such thing as part time.
Lyman Good:Right? No.
Joey Rosen:So Out of my book. I wanna talk a little bit about Good Theory, what it is, the mission that you're on. Feel free to elaborate on, you know, maybe some of your experiences that drove you to start Good Theory that, you know, we hadn't really we haven't touched on. If you don't wanna touch on those, that's fine. We just talk about Good Theory.
Joey Rosen:Because I want the community to be exposed and aware of the good that you're doing for the mental health of others.
Lyman Good:So, Good Theory was a collaborative effort of myself and my partner and the culmination of the past 4 years of my life, which is a reflection of the previous decades of my life. Looking back, and I give a short and long answer to that is good theory is an establishment of letting people know that although we tell each other to each other's faces that we are good, you know, the irony of it is it is my last name, so I'm supposed to be good, that most people truly aren't.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:And that in the pursuit of trying to maintain that image in front of others, people live lives of silent desperation. People live in turmoil deep down inside, people silently hurt, and people mask that pain away from others so much so that they start to lose sense of who they are. Good theory is just a way to expose more of the stigmas about that and to talk about, you know, in masculine fields, how important it is to show those parts of us, the broken parts
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:The not so glamorous parts of us, the parts that are dark and heavy and deep that we wanna hide from people because we wanna seem and appear good in front of others. If you, research good theory, it's also basically Mika's explanation to it is also it is a formula of everything previous of your past. That based on your past, this is the theory. But it's also a representation of how despite the past, that should not be also your path in life. Mhmm.
Lyman Good:You are not you are not your past. You are not your feelings. You are not your emotions. We are separate from that.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:Now if you understand ourselves as human beings, we have so many layers to us, but at the end of the day, pain, the past, all of the hurt does not define who you are. You could always recreate.
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:And the other slice of the pie of what a good theory is to me in the meaning is that I am the 3rd in my lineage. I'm Lyman Goode the 3rd, and pain is bestowed onto other people. Hurt is bestowed onto others. As we said before, hurt people hurt people. Mhmm.
Lyman Good:My father passed away 4 years ago, and the vein and the crutch of what has led me to my success in what I do was my relationship to my father. As I said before, that void that I, you know, I didn't want anyone to touch, although it was painful for
Joey Rosen:me. Mhmm.
Lyman Good:I also felt an obligation to it because as an adult, I realize now that we if we don't heal ourselves, we bestow that upon to our children and to our future generations. Hurt people just continue to hurt more people.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:And so despite my father and how, you know, he, you know, how he was Mhmm. I look back and I say he didn't have his father there. Yeah. So the the premise of good theory is basically also a reminder to myself and to others that no matter what kind of lineage you come from, you could always change that, not only for yourself, but for others. But it all starts with you and healing yourself first.
Lyman Good:So we started mental health awareness movement to address that, the stigmas of the mask, the importance of healing yourself, because we all go through traumas. And unless we don't heal it, it's left untouched, we'll bleed onto others Mhmm. Even if they weren't the ones that cut us. Mhmm. And the more I can do it, I feel like I have a specific, vantage point in mental health awareness because I'm coming from a field where I get my hand raised for knocking out another man, you know, one of the most male dominant sports that there is.
Lyman Good:And if in the scope of that, I could speak on behalf of vulnerability and openness, I feel people will listen to that. Because sometimes a message, although it is heartfelt and true and honest, it's also a matter of who preaches a message. Yes. So that's my mission now in life. My partners and I are to go out and just address that.
Joey Rosen:You know? You are you're a 1000% correct. You don't need me to tell you that, but who you are, what you've been through, what you've accomplished positions you perfectly to heal others. Right? Your journey has been of hurt.
Joey Rosen:Right? What was done unto you and what you've done unto others. Hurt in different ways. And you've began a healing journey of yourself, and you're making sure that you are passing on that healing, not that pain to others and helping them heal themselves, and they will pay that forward. And that's one of the beautiful things that I think, of when I hear about good theory.
Joey Rosen:The crest it it looks like a crest that appears on some of your Good Theory apparel. Right?
Lyman Good:Mhmm.
Joey Rosen:Is that a representation of you being the 3rd, Lyman Goode, and you breaking the cycle that preceded you in those generations.
Lyman Good:You hit it on the head with that. It's like a it's a nod to family that although family may be imperfect. Mhmm. Carry on the name and let it stand for something new, change. Yes.
Lyman Good:Rather than just abandoning ship and, like, I'm gonna start new and create this new family. Like, pretend like everything in my previous, you know, lineage in my blood, it's literally in my veins.
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:Let's pretend that never existed. Rather than doing that, carry on with the name, but just change what it stands for. Of course. Carry the crest Yep. But change, like, who yields that crest, you know.
Joey Rosen:I see that coming through in not only the content that you both put out, but I see it coming through in the products that you create for the people that resonate with that movement that are healing themselves and allowing themselves to be vulnerable, really. Like you are. You're such a good example of that, and I've told you that personally. The irony of vulnerability is that and I'm speaking on something that I'm still learning, right, with vulnerability. But the irony that I see in vulnerability is that everybody perceives it as weakness, but it's actually strength.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. That's that's the irony of this whole thing. People don't wanna show up in a room and be vulnerable because they don't wanna be perceived as weak. But as soon as they do it, they become a pillar of strength for everybody around them because they had the courage to step forward and say, this is how I'm feeling. I'm not good in some situations.
Lyman Good:Those who heal have an obligation twice, one to themselves and one to others. When you heal yourself, you've done one of your 2 duties. 1 is to yourself first.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:The second is that now that you carry we talked about the hero's journey. In the hero's journey, if any of you research it and read up the the, you know, the the the circle of it, the cycle of the hero's journey is the, is that you leave the story with some form of antidote or some form of Elixir. Elixir. The Elixir of Life. Then now you go back into the world to help others, to help them to to free them.
Lyman Good:Yeah. It's like you you talked about The Matrix being one of my favorite movies. Yep. You know, the ones that are still stuck in The Matrix, but then you have your your, you know, the renegades, people that have escaped. Yeah.
Lyman Good:They don't escape and leave. They escape, build a community to go back in and unplug others that are ready to be unplugged.
Joey Rosen:Exactly.
Lyman Good:But in this world, I I I feel my life this life that I'm living now is now my duty is although I'm still healing Mhmm. Is that now I can see things in a different color, in a different shade, in a different way. Mhmm. You know, even the 2 of you, when I see you, I I I see that it's right at your doorstep, wanting to talk and open up about things. We were talking before
Joey Rosen:Yep.
Lyman Good:About personal things that, I see Yeah. And identify I can identify with your pain because I feel your pain, and I feel yours, and I see it. It's not for me to force it out, but it's for me to at least talk and to let you know, hey, Joey. Yep. Where I am is where you want to be, and it's okay.
Lyman Good:It's okay to open up and talk to, like, what you've went through. I've experienced that, and it's okay. Yeah. What's on the other side of that is much better than where you feel you are now.
Joey Rosen:Sure.
Lyman Good:That is now my duty to give on to this world now. You know? Yep.
Joey Rosen:And you're you're doing an excellent job. There's so much synergy between what you're doing with Good Theory and what we're doing with Fuel Hunt. Like, you know, I don't ever think that you're healed. You said I'm still healing. I think we all are.
Joey Rosen:Right? There's I I don't know if you're never if you're ever fully healed. I think there's vigilance that always has to be there because those habits that were formed during the hurt can always creep back in Yeah. I feel like. So the the healing needs to be a continuous process with your your visual Yeah.
Joey Rosen:It is. During.
Lyman Good:I feel like there's in life, there's no getting rid of the weight. There's just your muscles becoming strong enough and stronger under that weight to make that weight feel from like, it's super heavy to just something that you just have to hold. And it's like
Joey Rosen:you know,
Lyman Good:you always carry. It's a burden for yours. It's a burden of yours for the rest of your life because there's just some things that will always be there. There's just pain and experiences and things that I've, you know, that I've experienced as a child that I can't go back in time. You know?
Lyman Good:It's a change. But to be fair, would I be the person I am today if it wasn't for that also? You know? Exactly. The theory wouldn't have come about if, you know, 4 years ago, my my world completely flipped upside down.
Lyman Good:Mhmm. You know, in spite of good being my last name, I've hurt people.
Drew Beech:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:I've done bad things, and I've hurt others who didn't deserve it also. And
Joey Rosen:that was your that was the version of you that was hurt and not as healed as you are today that did that.
Lyman Good:Yeah. But now
Joey Rosen:you're You know?
Lyman Good:I think too it's funny because I trust me. I spent about a good 18 years standing on the other side of the lens being this avatar and this character of Strong, you know, and let's just say that to a degree, you know, to an extent or in a certain way, yes, strength. Of course. Because it takes strength to do what we do and to continue and path forward.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:But there's also a side of it that felt like I wasn't really getting my real message out for 18 years.
Joey Rosen:That thing inside you. Yeah.
Lyman Good:That inner child, though. There's inner child in us, and, you know, it it's tough because you have to balance it out too. I don't wanna preach about mental health and get into this whole other side of it that can get very dark also and can get to a point where it's like, alright. All we're doing is just, you know, like, just looking back at things that you can't change anymore. So I'm somewhere in the middle.
Lyman Good:I'm not I'm not on the other side of it too where it's like, alright. Let's just sit down. Let's kumbaya, run a fire, and just, like, cry for rest of our lives. Sure. But there's a a side of it where you have to stop, slow down, embrace inner child, let them be heard and felt and seen, whatever that means to the person or to you.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:But also move forward because the man that is there now is waiting for you. There's a man waiting on the other side of that healing.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:And it's,
Joey Rosen:you
Lyman Good:know, as Bedros Clearing says, that 2 point o version of you, you know,
Joey Rosen:that yourself. Yeah.
Lyman Good:I've stood in front of a lens for 18 years, and I've never really felt like I've made a difference until the past year, really. It's I'll be honest. It's been only 1 year that I've been talking more like this Mhmm. Onto a mic. Not easy still.
Lyman Good:I'm not you know, it's still flinching. There's parts of me that's fighting it, like, you know, shit. Fuck up.
Joey Rosen:Like, you know Yeah.
Drew Beech:Yeah. What what
Lyman Good:are you doing? Stop. Yeah.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lyman Good:But I've connected more with people in the past year of this campaign of honesty and vulnerability than I have of just trying to always be strong in front of people. Yes. My relationship to my sister I have 2 sisters, and one of them, we weren't necessarily the closest, but I've also tried to maintain an integrity of being an example to her. I felt that was always my duty to my 2 sisters because I helped my mom raise them when they were younger. And I said, well, I also have an obligation to, you know, 2 little girls growing up in this world without a father.
Lyman Good:So here I am. Let's fucking man let's man the fuck up. Let's Yeah. You know, let's be a father to them. Mhmm.
Lyman Good:But all that really did was made us more distant as the years went by, and I didn't notice I I didn't realize this until the past few years. Yeah. My sister once said to me, and it was through messages recently, a couple years back, saying that this is the closest I felt to you because you're not trying to be perfect. You're not trying to be this image or this stain that I can never be. Yep.
Lyman Good:You know? And she said, I'll never forget. I never wanted Superman as my brother. And then I was like, wow. I've been going about it wrong this whole time.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:And I let her in for the past 4 years. You know, I I know we're kinda skimming over things, but That's okay. If you really wanna get get more deep into it, it's just been 4 years of alcoholism, abuse, ironically enough getting put back into the psychiatric unit, which I did, you know, couple years ago, self inflicted harm, hurting other people, doing very dangerous things to myself, literally trying to give God the wheel. You can read in between the lines of what I mean by that. Mhmm.
Lyman Good:If you combine alcohol and certain things, I my I just everything that wanted to fall apart since I was 9 years old until 4 years back fell apart.
Joey Rosen:And I
Lyman Good:think that was the start of my healing.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:Because the other thing we don't talk about in mental health is silence. And silence is a side effect of trying to be strong for others because we have to stay silent.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:That's a, you know, a burden we had to carry all the time.
Joey Rosen:Yeah. The silent silent no more, and that's evident. I mean, your journey from hurt to healing has been one that's been complex. You've walked, it sounds like, the path of hitting rock bottom more than once, it seems. Right?
Joey Rosen:Yeah. But as I know you now as a friend in the past year or so, all I see is healing and you giving the gifts of your growth to others. So for me, what I can see from externally, right, it seems like good theory is going to be exactly what you both want it to be, and it's going to help heal more people than I believe you think it will at this very moment. So
Lyman Good:Yeah. I think that is the plan, the mission Yeah. You know, our duty. I'm grateful to have a partner in Mika who is literally there, as the chaos unfolded in my life. Mhmm.
Lyman Good:And she allowed me to heal. And she's been a big part of that as well because she experienced a journey, and she's seen one of the ugliest parts of me. Mhmm. And I've in all of my experience and in most men's experience, we've met our significant others always in our best moments. You know?
Lyman Good:And those shining, you know, moments of shining armor in front of people.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:But, man, I got rid of that armor very fast 4 years ago and showed the ugliest parts of me and allowed myself to be vulnerable in front of her, and I think that's also what gave me the courage to be vulnerable in front of others.
Joey Rosen:Sure. Sure.
Lyman Good:I think combination of that and just that I also am not perfect. I'm not someone who's trying to be in front of a camera now, and, like, I'm on this campaign of healing. I'm doing great. I'm good. I'm this good person.
Lyman Good:I'm far from that. Yeah. I think part of it is to relinquish the sense of weight on myself to, you know I don't know if people, you know, think or believe, like, I'm trying to be that person, but I'm not. I'm far from it. As a matter of fact, I'm so imperfect.
Lyman Good:I'm so contradicting to what it may seem on a camera, and I think most of us are, to be fair, because it's such bullshit, a lot of what's put out there in social media and everything. Yep. But the moments you do see of me, what I put out is honest. Those are moments, but those aren't moments that just define who I am as a person.
Joey Rosen:And I
Lyman Good:think that's to be said about everybody. We all have parts of us that we hide away.
Joey Rosen:Mhmm.
Lyman Good:But those parts, whether you hide it from people or not, that's on you, but don't hide it from yourself. Yeah. Look at the man in the mirror. Mhmm. See what's there.
Lyman Good:Encounter the darkness and walk through it because in that darkness, there's the parts of you that have yet to be touched that are so cold. There's, like, this little freaking child version of yourself in a corner in the dark somewhere just waiting, waiting to be healed so that the adult you, the version you know, the future you can move forward.
Joey Rosen:For sure. For sure. Yeah. In some ways that that child that you find in that dark cave that you heal in in a way takes your hand and then leads you to that future self, that other man, right, that, that you mentioned mentioned earlier.
Lyman Good:Yeah. And you have to do the work. At the end of the day, there's there's no there's no magic remedy or secret, you know, pill or anything. It's just you gotta do the work.
Joey Rosen:That's why we're we're passionate about it. You know, it's not just for it's not just to build a life or build a thing, a business, or whatever that you're proud of that, you can provide for your family. It's also to build yourself. And that's what it's been about for us at Fuerwan and the same with Good Theory, like, since day 1. You know, the more that we expose our dark corners and show everybody that we have the courage to do that and do the hard work to continue march towards the light, the more people will join the community and do the same thing.
Joey Rosen:You know? So I
Lyman Good:think what you guys are doing is amazing. One of the things that to me resonates, I know hunt is a very powerful word. I'm very, like, I think prolifically, there's just words or totem images or animals, like, things like that that stand out. But one that stands out is few. Yes.
Lyman Good:Because there's a scarcity in life that in that scarcity lies the antidote, the elixir, the answer, the solution. Yep. And as much as we live in a world where all we glorify is a problem, amongst the few will be the ones to find also the solution if they're willing to put in the work. Yeah. You have to be willing to do the work.
Lyman Good:There's a lot of inner work that needs to be done. There's a lot of outer work because as much as you're healing going through all this, you still have families to take care of. You still have people just kinda wait in there and be like, alright. When is my father gonna arrive? When am I gonna have a dad?
Lyman Good:Sure. When am I gonna have, you know, my my my husband, my partner? Yeah. Whatever, relationship you fulfill and, you know, your dynamic, that person who's there on the receiving end is waiting for you to arrive. Mhmm.
Joey Rosen:Yep. It's we had a conversation earlier about the few, and Drew was joking with me because I just I love that that the words, the few. I just love it because it embodies, like, who we are, who who everyone in your movement is, and who everybody in our movement is, in our communities, like the few the few that are going to do the work Mhmm. To move us all forward. Yeah.
Joey Rosen:You know? And, it doesn't come from a place of perfection. It comes from a place of progress. Like, we're not perfect, but we're gonna do the work Yeah. And we're gonna make sure there's progress.
Joey Rosen:So we we celebrate everything you're doing with Good Theory. The Good Theory's community members are the few, and the few are and we're we're synergistic. You know what I mean? Like, our community members are your community members. And, why don't you tell everybody where so we can bring this in for a bit of a landing.
Joey Rosen:Why don't you tell everybody where, they can find Good Theory and, how to join your, community? And then if you do wanna also touch on I know you had some news recently with your app that you launched.
Lyman Good:If you
Joey Rosen:wanna touch on that too. So let them know where they can find you as well. Like, you know, just, tell everybody where they can get all this goodness.
Lyman Good:And so on our website, good theory wellness.com. You can find us on our socials, good. Theory. We'll also attach mine is always just about Good Theory, so you can look up my personal one at Lyman Good MMA. We are right now in the process of closing up our online fitness, app that we're gonna launch, and it's it's, addressed the importance of you know, all this we talked about was more like internals, the minds, the heart, etcetera, but fitness plays such a key role in healing.
Lyman Good:So the online fitness app is to address the fitness side of things. The better shape you are, the better of a human being you become as well, whether it's through martial arts or exercise, whatever you do, as long as you do something.
Joey Rosen:Yep. In
Lyman Good:any case, we're gonna be launching that as well. The website for that is good theory coaching.com, but you'll see the links for it all over the, Instagram socials for Good Theory, both on the website and on the Instagram.
Joey Rosen:Very good. Yeah. It goes back to the weight that you were talking about, you know, and it's such a great metaphor, like, carrying the weight the weight that we have. And the stronger that you are Yeah. Physically to carry physical weight, the stronger you are to carry, you know, that internal weight as well.
Joey Rosen:So I love what you're doing, all facets of it. And I really appreciate you making the trek down today. And, just to echo what you said in the beginning of the show, man, I value your friendship so much.
Lyman Good:I appreciate it. Appreciate the love that you guys have shown to me and everything you do. I firmly believe in you guys and what you're doing. It's not just the message, but the humans behind it. And also the you know, I, I'm also excited for what's to come, not just for the brands, but for you both individually.
Lyman Good:Because the more I talk to you, the more I see you.
Joey Rosen:Yeah.
Lyman Good:And I know there's something there and it'll come out to you when it's ready. Yeah. I know you got a lot to offer, Silted as well. So congrats ahead of time for that and, you know, happy happy to be part of this as well. So thank you for having me.
Joey Rosen:Thank you, man. Thank you, man. Alright. We're gonna bring this in for Lanny. Any closing thoughts?
Drew Beech:No. I I sat here the whole time just like I I like the way it lines.
Joey Rosen:The fewer the fewer are gonna go back through this multiple times and listen to it and listen to it, because there's multiple messages that we
Lyman Good:all need to hear.
Joey Rosen:Even if we've heard them before, we need to hear them again. You know? So I'm gonna leave a few, with our sign off. A reminder, always choose hard work over handouts. Always choose effort over entitlement.
Joey Rosen:No one owns you. No one owes you. You're one of the few. I'll talk. Okay.
Lyman Good:Let's go.