About, Above, Across

Kevin tells Harley about a dead Hollywood man who became a live Oklahoma boy. Matriarch Momily can still recite her prepositions.

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Speaker 1: H I have something that I would like to discuss with you. Oh, I don't want to get your take on it.

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Speaker 2: I'm scared you should.

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Speaker 1: Be because what I'm about to tell you is fucking unnerving, dear unnerving. And I'll tell you right now, you're gonna You're gonna be like, do what.

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Speaker 3: Do what?

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Speaker 2: I'm scared.

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Speaker 1: This is from the Sun, so take over of the Grain of Salt, the U s Son And it was written by Tom Mally. It was published November twenty third, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Three, November year ago.

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Speaker 4: And it's from the Son, the Son, the US Son, which is like a US arm of the Sun newspapers which tend to be tabloidy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, take it with a grassal.

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Speaker 1: A ten year old boy claimed he was the reincarnation of a Hollywood star after perfectly recalling the events of his past life. Ryan Hammond, from Oklahoma in the United States, insisted that he remembered being a famous actor in the forties and the fifties. Now I'm going to let you look at this kid. Ten year old Ryan Hammond claimed he was the reincarnation of a Hollywood star. Ryan believed that the memories he was recalling were those of Marty Martin, who died in nineteen sixty four.

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Speaker 3: There's Marty Martin.

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Speaker 1: So Ryan hadn't thought he was this believes he's this kid now, Oh my god, making the claims as a ten year old back in twenty fifteen, so nine years ago, so now he'd be nineteen. The youngster even alleged that he was punched by Marilyn Monroe's bodyguards during his past life.

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Speaker 2: Okay, icon, you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: So like now is he like I used to be and I used to work in Hollywood? But he's like I got punched by Marilyn Monroe.

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Speaker 3: Question why?

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Speaker 1: But why?

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Speaker 2: What you do Martin?

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Speaker 1: What'd you do? Ryan? But Ryan said he even remembered how he died, oh oh, telling NBC that his heart exploded before he headed toward the light. Ryan believed that the memories he was recalling were those of Marty Martin, who died in nineteen sixty four. Beginning of a humble movie extra, mar later became a successful tinsel town agent, despite marrying five times. He lived a life of luxury in New York and regularly holidayed in Paris. However, Martin suffered from a brain hemorrhage in nineteen sixty four, passed away at the age of sixty one. Not long after, forty years later and over thirteen hundred miles away from Hollywood Hills in Oklahoma, Ryan claimed to be his reincarnation. The youngster said he'd been experiencing the past life memories from the age of three, and repeatedly begged his mother to take him to Los Angeles to quote visit his other family.

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Speaker 5: Oh shit, shit, what if I did this when I was younger?

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Speaker 3: You did?

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Speaker 1: Understandably, his parents didn't believe him at first, until he instantly recognized himself in a book on the Golden Age of Hollywood. His mother had bought Ryan the book to help him find some answers, but was shocked when he pointed to a photo of Marty and claimed it was him. Intrigued by the story of Ryan, a documentary crew even helped track down Marty's daughter, who confirmed the kid's claims were accurate. That's when Ryan's mother turned to the child psychiatrist, doctor Jim Tucker, who believed her son's claims that he was reincarnated. He came to this conclusion after fifty five of the things Ryan had recalled were true. Doctor Tucker ended up dedicating a chapter of his book Returned to Life to Ryan's case. He said, the world just doesn't work as we think or assume it does. The cases I've examined don't come under a normal explanation of how we perceived the world. God, we didn't really raise you with a faith, which I always thought was a mistake.

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Speaker 3: I told your mother.

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, if you don't give a kid a faith, they'll go fine them later on. What if she picks scientology, We're fuck, Yeah, that goes all the money. But we didn't raise you in a faith, which means that, you know, we were never like you know, when you die, you go to heaven. We never gave you a cosmology, so to speak, for.

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Speaker 3: Things that can't be explained.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but from time to time over the years I have heard you, Well, number one, you do that witchy shit right like you smudge and shit like that.

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Speaker 3: Is that what's called.

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Speaker 2: Is a thing?

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Speaker 1: Yes, And like I remember used to like candles and chill like that. So there must be some you must have some, you know, you must have formed some opinion about what happens when it's all over. We don't really talk about opinions. What is your opinion? What do you think happens when we die? Well? Do we come back as ten year old boys? And Oklahoma is exactly It was like, I remember being fucking daughter of a hack filmmaker. It hurts. It hurt me so bad to be his daughter.

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Speaker 2: It just was too painful. I have to move on to the next one.

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Speaker 1: Thank God, I gotta reset. But damn, Oklahoma, what is your what do you believe? Wait?

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Speaker 2: I have a question though, First.

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Speaker 3: Is about Ryan because I know exactly what you know.

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Speaker 1: Haven't just read the article.

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Speaker 3: I did watch a video.

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Speaker 1: I can go beyond that and say I watched a video that was even more convincing than that article. Well one he started he like, he talked about my heart exploded, and then his mom was like heart attack. But then his mom was like, oh, then you can't be him because he died of an aneurism. But then his daughter was like, no, he did die heart attack. Heart attack, like that was related to n heerson, but his heart went first. Oh he Also the kid remembered that he wasn't like I was in movies, but I was also I helped people. I was an agent, like he knew shit that, like he wouldn't know as a ten year old from Oklahoma. And I know people are like bro inter death, like he could look older, but according to them, no, no, could also be a case of a mother, you know, fucking gone, like it was a way for us to get the newspapers and shit. But the video I watched and the article I read, and I read another article. You know, it's tough to deny that. Like, my man, there's something there.

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Speaker 5: There's some truth on Marty what's his name, Marty Martin's.

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Speaker 1: Marty Martin who wound up being an agent, like a Hollywood agent. So the kid knew.

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Speaker 2: That does Ryan speak? Wasn't he remembered.

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Speaker 1: Getting married and the guy was married like five times, but he remembered married, and shit, he didn't remember. I don't think you remember the kid that's been fucked up though, because he did meet the kid. The kid was like, but the kid Marty Martin's kid. If he died in nineteen sixty, that means kid was born anywhere from nineteen fifty nineteen sixty.

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Speaker 2: Ryan's like, yeah, that Ryan's like ten, and he's.

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Speaker 1: Like i'd be like, you're you're my I'm your father, Luke, I'm your father, and she's like, what the fuck he's clean your room? Fucking She's like, I'm not gonna do it. He's like, but I'm him.

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Speaker 5: But I'm literally Marty, Marty Martin.

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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on life, death, spirituality?

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Speaker 2: I person, what happens.

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Speaker 3: When we die?

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Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you because.

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Speaker 1: I know you, and then hold on, let me give you money. You can tell people what happens when they die, and they'll pay a lot of loot. You can start religion. Intelligence. Yeah, should be like I actually I know Harley Tosis.

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Speaker 2: I would call that Harley to says the martyr.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, there is a you know, philosophy, a school of thought. I think this may be scientific that all the energy in the universe can't exist.

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Speaker 5: Today, destroyed, it will always be the.

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Speaker 1: Same as the same amount of energy that happened from the Big Bank forward and it just gets reincorporated in blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: So that is what I believe. You believe that, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: So that means my dad died twenty years ago. What happened afterwards, Well, carefully, that is my blessed father. Let me take my father who didn't like my Let me tell you something about my dad. I don't know what he ever thought about fucking death. Like he was as catholic as my mom made him be.

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Speaker 2: So you don't think he believed, indn't.

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Speaker 1: I think he fucking lied to get pussy, and that pussy was And you met Mamie and she's.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful and fucking what a great heart.

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Speaker 1: But could you imagine some dude was like, I believe whatever you say, let me in there, let me just like I just need a taste grace.

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Speaker 6: To make a stop, make a duet, a taste grace.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, listen, who's Jesus? And he's like this, whoever you say, he is grace. My father wasn't religiously like he'd been baptized when he was born, because he was like born with the cleft flip and the cleft palate. So they were worried like he might fucking die. That's how I'm like, Barbara, not barbaric. They were just it was olden days. They were like, you know, fucking that thing that hung on our wall forever, the medical guide that would talked about like young Donald might now be like a contributing member of society. And it's like, bro, it's not like he was born without just ahead he was sucking a cleft lip and a cleft palette, like I think he.

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Speaker 5: Was always can't do something.

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Speaker 1: They were like, this sub human little baby beast might one day be fucking taken it by somebody with half a fucking heart. But who would want this mutated fuck? Even his mother's terrified of this monster in a crib. It's it's not that bad, but it is like very much like they talk about him as being like, well, he probably wouldn't get amounted much, but now, thanks to cosmetic surgery, he'll work at a fucking perfume counter at Macy's. Oh my god, that poor motherfucker god who was not given the faith of his own And he had parents that were very like, you know, just fucking he doted on his fucking parents and shit.

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Speaker 3: Then when he met mom Lely and.

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Speaker 1: Starts going time with her, his parents should like fucking fuck him, like the guy attle better and shit. But that's a dude who you know, never once across the you know, he was.

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Speaker 3: Alive for twenty nine no more, let me.

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Speaker 5: See maybe thirty.

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Speaker 1: Well he died twenty years ago, so I'm yeah, thirty four. So he's around for like thirty three thirty four years of my life and never once I hear him say like, you know, Jesus's Lord, we just went he just went to he was around well, mamily like later in life admitted too that she was like, you know, this is just what I was taught. Like really yeah, like she's she's not mine.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't go church somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Special occasions maybe, but now after like the year she had and the procedures she went through, she really barely leaves the fucking house to go to Donald's house. But yeah, Momily, I wouldn't say, like through in the town on church, but like kind of you know, came to a place where she was just like.

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Speaker 3: Why why did I believe this?

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Speaker 1: Not it's because she was handed it as a child. They were like, this is what we believe in shit. Like the other day I was talking to Momily and I busted into the apostles creed, which is this like fucking I don't know if you'd called a prayer, it's this thing. It's creed, they say out loud in church, like after the homily then they start like, we believe in God to follow the mighty creative every earth, and it's all the shit you're supposed to like believe as a Catholic.

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Speaker 3: And I rocked into it the other day.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I believe, mom I believe in one God, the Father. I might.

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Speaker 3: And she fucking loved it.

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Speaker 1: And not because she's like, yeah, that's what I believe, motherfucking man Jesus. But instead she was just like she gets thrilled whenever anything from childhood stuck because that's her.

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Speaker 3: That was her time.

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Speaker 1: I'm to shine. So she's like, oh, he only knows this ship because I dragged. And even though she's like, I don't even necessarily believe in it, she said, but I'm proud of you for memorizing. Momily is the kind of person that will like, if you're like, rock your preposition, she's like, oh about the cross about she could rattle them off. It's fucking nuts.

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Speaker 3: I can do that.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, wait, I gotta ask for that.

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Speaker 2: About Momily. I need a talk.

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Speaker 1: Come on, how are you mad? I'm sitting here with Harley, Hi, Grandma?

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Speaker 7: You doing?

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Speaker 8: I'm good?

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Speaker 1: How are you miserabad? And cut off.

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Speaker 9: Yesterday, I went through the procedure for my heart to put something else that they can hear the beats of my heart. But you were supposed to be doing it in my groin, which is where he started. But my leg pills didn't kick getting enough time, and my one leg was jumping like crazy, so he couldn't cut my my groin on my right leg. He's fray because of my jumping so much, you know, so instead he cut my neck.

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Speaker 1: He went in by your neck.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I got a dining in my neck.

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Speaker 1: Good lord, Ma, you you make aging sound fun.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, real fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm so worried that.

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Speaker 1: Harley said, she's so sorry that you had.

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Speaker 3: To go through.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Harley.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't a picnic yesterday.

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Speaker 7: After all the time, we had a wait cless at the emergency surgery and poor Donald hadn't had much sleep.

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Speaker 1: That had them come in early and they didn't get to her for hours. Really, ye listen, we're recording the podcast as we speak. But why I called was to ask you can you still do your list of prepositions? Oh?

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Speaker 2: You mean about it?

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Speaker 7: Both close up against the long among round half before behind thelow beneath the side between beneath beside between. Oh, no, I lost my I guess again, of course, inf agains along the mung round at before the side between. Come on, what happened?

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Speaker 1: God, Grace, hurry, there's no money on the line if you don't.

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Speaker 7: That was.

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Speaker 2: That was impressive.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Harley.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to make sure I could get get the mollut of buff cross intergence along the mung around hat before behind me, no before, behind the low beneath the side between beyond by down during except for from and into a wolf on overpassed through till two, toured under until up upon with within with that excellent.

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Speaker 1: That was incredible, seventy eight years old, and rote memorization still still there. Man, that was. It's truly no papers in front of me to read it. It's all in the brain.

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Speaker 3: You're fantastic.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: All right, go hang out with Kaby. We'll we'll talk to you later on. I don't want to take you from time. I love you, Mom, I love you.

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Speaker 7: I love you too, Honey. And I love you too, Harley, to the moon and back.

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Speaker 2: I love you so much, Grandma.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, honey.

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Speaker 1: I love you I'll check in later on.

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Speaker 10: Okay you I'll be here all night, all right, love you, okay, love you too, Love you, Harley, baby, I love you. Okay you have a good night. Good But are just doing a podcast together?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing the podcast as we speak. You're on it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the really yeah.

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Speaker 7: Sorry, the voices and.

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Speaker 1: That good so fantastic. And you and you brought the content right away, man, Yeah, you'd be like I went through a life. You brought the content right off the bat.

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Speaker 3: You're like, I went through a harrowing heart thing.

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Speaker 1: But listen to this about.

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Speaker 7: That's all one got it. You know you're recording it.

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Speaker 6: God, Yeah, and then I can explain why didn't woman explain you?

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Speaker 7: We're recording about I couldn't go into groin.

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Speaker 1: And I had to go to my next Yeah, all of that wonderful. I love you. I'll talk to you, grandma.

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Speaker 9: Okay, thank you. I'm love you too, Harley, thank you, thank you. Okay, Okay, I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Who knew that, Momly there was a man who was like, I believe in any God. You tell me too, if you will just give me a taste grace. Stop.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna throw something out you. That is my grandma.

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Speaker 2: That's my grandma.

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Speaker 1: That's how we got here. We got here because fucking Popa was like my wane, I.

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Speaker 2: Got it, I got it.

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Speaker 1: So my you know, worldview is uh informed by her. Your worldview was informed by me, your mom, nan and my and my My worldview is not just informed as her and my dad and also my grandmother and my brother and sister too because they were older. But you know, religion came with it like that was. It was never like a would you like to believe in God? It was just like we believe in one god.

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Speaker 3: Motherfucker the Father. I might have creator of her nerve older.

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Speaker 1: Scene unseen ship like that sounds impressive, was doing the prepositions, but.

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Speaker 2: No, that nothing will ever be.

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Speaker 1: You see how she launched right, do you mean next time I'm there, I'm a shooter for TikTok video. That was she rolls right into it. She's like, oh, you made a bout across the world. She eventually got it too, she likes she kept hitting like between was a wall for her and then then yeah, and she's worked all the way to With.

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Speaker 5: The gun to my head, I could not even I don't even know what the solicit is.

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Speaker 1: And that is why my father was like, I just got she knows her prepositions so well, I can't live about it say them all.

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Speaker 3: My mom would be like about.

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Speaker 1: Down all right. So they taught me about life, death and afterwards what happened?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so what is yours?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 5: You know what's interesting that I've spoken a lot about with Austin because Austin, as we've discussed.

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Speaker 3: Somewhat religious.

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Speaker 1: Yes, certainly more than you, yes, But he comes from a religious his dad's like Catholic.

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Speaker 5: Catholic, Yes, he was raised Catholic. But it's interesting because although I wasn't raised with the religion, I was raised to be moral.

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Speaker 1: Because you do have a morality, one doesn't need religion.

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Speaker 5: But in my core, since a mother is such a strong.

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Speaker 8: Atheist, that is like my core is like I I was so anti any religion because mom is so atheist.

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Speaker 2: Like growing up, I was just like.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what was und So I feel like I was just at the other, the opposite end of the spectrum because I wasn't. I was raised to believe really strongly in the opposite direction, which I didn't really realize until I met Austin.

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Speaker 2: He was like, well.

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Speaker 1: The lord the lords here, I mean your faces? Right?

00:22:10
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:22:12
Speaker 1: Anyways, what happens when you die?

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Speaker 2: Anyways?

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Speaker 5: Back to that, I mean, I I believe in science, so I I do agree that and believe that energy, the energy that is here will always be here. And I I believe that our energy has to transfer on to something something.

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Speaker 3: Else, memories.

00:22:42
Speaker 1: Knowledge.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I do. I do really feel as though I was an animal in a past life.

00:22:49
Speaker 3: Is that right?

00:22:50
Speaker 2: Well, are you where my tailephone situation?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Do you have a coxsic longer than normal coxic? Do you have a tail?

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Speaker 1: I think would have told me something like that after I was there, when you were born. I saw no evidence of a tale.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe there wasn't a tail at that point.

00:23:06
Speaker 1: But he just had a longer coxic than normal.

00:23:09
Speaker 3: Somebody tell you that.

00:23:10
Speaker 1: Yes, they told that to.

00:23:11
Speaker 3: Uncle Don as well.

00:23:12
Speaker 1: Really, but Little Done also had gills. No shit, he had gills.

00:23:19
Speaker 2: No, he fucking did not.

00:23:20
Speaker 1: When we're in utero, that's we breathed through like we're not fully formed yet, so he his gills never closed over.

00:23:31
Speaker 2: You're fucking like me.

00:23:32
Speaker 3: Were even him?

00:23:34
Speaker 1: Right now Broly got gills. He'd be like about across a both that he was in. He was thirteen in eighth grade, and he passed out one day in class, and so I remember, you know, he went to the hospital and they were like doing testa on and ship and they found out that he had guilt. His gills never closed over.

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Speaker 3: Let me see if he can.

00:24:00
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of unbelieved.

00:24:02
Speaker 1: I'm not making it is possible.

00:24:04
Speaker 2: And I thought you breathed through your umbilical cord.

00:24:06
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that's how you're you get your.

00:24:09
Speaker 1: Nutrition, right, bruh?

00:24:13
Speaker 2: Anybody have to kill.

00:24:16
Speaker 3: Let me see.

00:24:19
Speaker 1: Nobody knows anybody's number anymore.

00:24:21
Speaker 3: I always got it.

00:24:22
Speaker 2: Do you know my number? Don't say it?

00:24:26
Speaker 1: I think I I think.

00:24:29
Speaker 2: I do absolutely.

00:24:30
Speaker 5: I'm like, do you know my address?

00:24:34
Speaker 1: You're like, yes, I still know my grandma's phone number, my childhood phone number.

00:24:40
Speaker 3: Call failed?

00:24:41
Speaker 2: What the what's with the service in your house?

00:24:45
Speaker 3: I won't do it?

00:24:48
Speaker 1: Come on, brou I'm.

00:24:49
Speaker 2: Not really man, Well that's convenient called.

00:24:54
Speaker 1: Grandma back, So don't get me start And then Bill's all right.

00:25:02
Speaker 3: What happens?

00:25:03
Speaker 5: I just believe that our energy transfer is.

00:25:06
Speaker 1: I mean, do you believe in ghosts.

00:25:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what's that?

00:25:09
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:25:11
Speaker 3: Well, you're supposed to have answers.

00:25:13
Speaker 1: I really whole point of having a kid, I was like, somebody will explain shit to me one day.

00:25:18
Speaker 2: I don't believe there is a heaven or a hell.

00:25:21
Speaker 3: You don't believe in heaven or health.

00:25:23
Speaker 5: Fair, except I do really love this story, baby, do you know what that's worth?

00:25:31
Speaker 3: Heaven is a place on earth?

00:25:34
Speaker 1: They said heaven, love comes first. Heaven is a place. No.

00:25:42
Speaker 5: I think we spoke about it one time, but Lucifer was a fallen angel.

00:25:48
Speaker 3: Where we're going again.

00:25:49
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I don't.

00:25:51
Speaker 2: Believe in heaven or hell.

00:25:52
Speaker 5: But that story, that story, really that doesn't really like then.

00:25:58
Speaker 1: You don't even need to fuck with the Bible and enjoy story because that story is not in the Bible. That one hits well, because yeah, because it's like something out of Marvel, and he became the fucking Darth Vader of fucking religion and ship. And it's also just like you know, when whenever one speaks about the devil Satan Lucifer, you know, it's always like, oh, fucking the killing things, sacrificing his name, fucking orgies, just fucking unnatural weirdness. Everything that his normal is inverted and shit like that. So the notion that like, oh no, he started as God's like brightest and most beloved angel, the best of the best, who was then asked to you know, bout and man and was like, no, they're gross. I'm better than them, and then threw it all away, turned on his creator because of you, a human being with nothing to bring to the party. You ain't got wings, you ain't angelico, a little angel, but you ain't angelic. So fucking Lucifer was like, this is bullshit, fucking and then he struck.

00:27:18
Speaker 2: I would I mean God.

00:27:20
Speaker 1: Was like, we don't, We're not union. He cast them all out, he got.

00:27:24
Speaker 3: Rid of them all.

00:27:24
Speaker 5: What would you do in that situation? Would you bow? If someone was all of a sudden like to these people out of nowhere?

00:27:32
Speaker 3: Is it God, my creator?

00:27:34
Speaker 1: In this instance, you're supposed to fear God. And that was the problem with loser he and fear God. He lost us, He lost his fear of God.

00:27:45
Speaker 2: Well, why should you live in fears?

00:27:48
Speaker 3: What a great question.

00:27:50
Speaker 2: I was just wondering, I live in fear question.

00:27:53
Speaker 1: But fear, they always say fear God in the religious sex because you're supposed to be so awed buying, so scared by his infinite power and what he could do to you, that your love and fear are inner check.

00:28:09
Speaker 2: How fucked fear are interchangeable?

00:28:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, you love God, but fear God as well, because God is your creator, created you.

00:28:18
Speaker 3: Buddy.

00:28:19
Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't mean to offend.

00:28:21
Speaker 1: You're not offend me. I left the club, like what, like what why?

00:28:26
Speaker 2: Why live in fear? Why teach people that?

00:28:29
Speaker 1: Really?

00:28:29
Speaker 2: Like blows my mind And it just.

00:28:31
Speaker 11: Blows my why because you're trying to control the population, bitch, like basically like fucking.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: Like, hey man, at one point the idea of and I just.

00:28:42
Speaker 5: Caught you a bitch, you know what, I was going to say something, you know what I was I was gonna ask you about.

00:28:51
Speaker 1: But at one point they people were eating fucking you know, pigs and dying right because they were unclean. They were clean properly and shit like that is way back in biblical days. That's why you know they were like God says you can't eat unclean animals like a pig, So no bacon, no ham. And you know it was made to be a religious rite, like a matter of faith, but really it was to fucking stop people from fucking dying on bad meat.

00:29:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was prepared improperly and ship.

00:29:27
Speaker 1: So they use religion like anything that works, right, Like at the end of the day, if you if in order to stop COVID, we didn't have a vaccine, but we had to like convince people that God wanted them to wear masks. Yeah, and it worked for some folks. So sometimes, you know, the group think or whatever fuck probably saved a lot of lives back in the day. Although as we now know that the Darwin rule is like the strong and the brightest get to survive and stuff. So if you're like, somebody's like that Ham's going to kill you and you're like, oh, goove, shit tastes good, then that's on you.

00:30:08
Speaker 2: That's true.

00:30:09
Speaker 3: But they made it about the lord.

00:30:11
Speaker 2: Moral of the story. Don't meet the fucking out.

00:30:13
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't want to say, but it's right there.

00:30:16
Speaker 2: The message is loud and clear.

00:30:19
Speaker 3: All right.

00:30:19
Speaker 1: So you do believe in ghosts, you don't believe in angels?

00:30:27
Speaker 5: No? I actually, well, okay, this is where things.

00:30:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so curious.

00:30:35
Speaker 5: I believe you know, I don't know what the fuck I believe. I think there could be some how.

00:30:44
Speaker 1: Wonderfully uncomplicated that aspect of your life has been, Like, think about it. I was raised in a house where they were.

00:30:52
Speaker 2: Like, you have to believe this, But it.

00:30:55
Speaker 1: Wasn't even like a punishment. It never occurred to me to believe anything else. Then, what the people I love and whose job it was to look out for me and cared for me at all times, why would.

00:31:06
Speaker 3: They fucking feed me bullshit?

00:31:08
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:31:08
Speaker 1: Now, one day my parents had to be like, Santa Claus doesn't exist, and I was like, what the fuck? And they're like, it's just a beautiful story we tell kids and like the spirit is there, blah blah blah, And still in the same straight face, we're like, but God, bro, God is that's why we really celebrate Christmas?

00:31:26
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you told me Santa wasn't real?

00:31:29
Speaker 3: Heartbreaking sucks.

00:31:31
Speaker 5: I locked myself in your bathroom.

00:31:35
Speaker 3: You that's because you didn't have God to fall back on.

00:31:38
Speaker 1: My parents are like, but God's real, and I was like, oh, thank God, I wish they told me. Then when I was six, my God, the chances of being is really fucking Santa Claus.

00:31:48
Speaker 3: That would have changed everything.

00:31:50
Speaker 2: You'd be a different person.

00:31:51
Speaker 1: I know, thank god they didn't. Honestly, like a little ignorance will go a long way. And I never did any independent study. I just believed what I was told by wouldn't I stuff. But here's my thing, I'm not villainized. I think my parents were wonderful, but they were fed a bunch of bullshit. Well not my dad so much, but my mom was. And my dad wanted my mom so then he fucking yes. So he just started believing that bullshit too, and then didn't even mind that she passed it on us. He was like, oh my god, he's like, my wife believes in some for cocta shit and now she's raising these three kids believe the same thing. But I wanted, I wanted.

00:32:27
Speaker 3: I gotta have it.

00:32:28
Speaker 1: I'll give a ship. I will support everything that meats something to me for a danger case.

00:32:38
Speaker 5: This is my mom and my boly you're talking about, show.

00:32:42
Speaker 1: Man, that's that Momley now is a sweet little old lady.

00:32:45
Speaker 3: Look oh she's so cute. But Mom was like, cute.

00:32:49
Speaker 2: Cute doesn't even begin the cover.

00:32:52
Speaker 1: Bro Back in the day this ship broke men.

00:32:56
Speaker 2: I would do anything to her momly say bro cra she was.

00:33:00
Speaker 1: We were like like about above across bro oh.

00:33:04
Speaker 5: You mean this broot about all right?

00:33:11
Speaker 1: So do you believe in demons?

00:33:14
Speaker 2: I believe there are. I believe.

00:33:18
Speaker 1: There was a guy here in town once who told me the vampires were real. I met him about financing a movie and ship like that, and as we were leaving, I was like, where are you going? He's like, I'm going out.

00:33:29
Speaker 3: You want to go out?

00:33:29
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm at no home. He guys, You're like, you're home before it's dark. Huh for the vampires. I was like yeah, And he goes, there are vampires.

00:33:36
Speaker 3: In this town.

00:33:39
Speaker 1: Like I was like, and he was like, there are and he named a director, a name, director whose name I know, who's directed movies I've seen. He's like he's one of them. And I was like, you're saying they're like the undead they suck. But he's like, oh, they're not undead. They just practice as vampires. So they they gather in room with you know, fucking houses with blacked out windows and they drink blood.

00:34:05
Speaker 3: And I was like.

00:34:08
Speaker 1: Like, as he's like, no, they bleep it and it's like, you know, I was like, but they think they're gonna fucking grow fangs, and he said.

00:34:18
Speaker 3: That's not to them.

00:34:19
Speaker 1: Vampers and vampiresm to that is you know, fucking unholy meetings and drinking blood.

00:34:24
Speaker 3: And like that. And they use.

00:34:27
Speaker 1: Tell me this dude was a bit sketch himself.

00:34:32
Speaker 2: Do I know who this person is?

00:34:33
Speaker 1: Not at all? I only met him one time with Gene Simmons, of all people from Kiss. It was because we were trying to make this weird We were trying to make this crampist movie. Gene Simmons was like, oh, I don't I know guy who can go to fund and start away, and he brought me to use this guy.

00:34:51
Speaker 3: This guy put money into.

00:34:53
Speaker 1: This kind of real movies. But this dude was also like, you know, there are vampires, you know, dude, And I don't like, look, I know it's like, oh this town, every place.

00:35:05
Speaker 5: I'm sure every place has been tires.

00:35:08
Speaker 1: It's like hidden fucking weirdos who are like you know, and then yeah, we drink blood. But hearing it and watching that dude say it's so like fucking like, oh yeah that's true.

00:35:22
Speaker 3: It did unnerve me.

00:35:23
Speaker 2: Just so serious and the like.

00:35:27
Speaker 1: The director he's older, but he's directed like mainstream fucking movies.

00:35:32
Speaker 2: I got him though I can't.

00:35:34
Speaker 3: I can't.

00:35:35
Speaker 1: I can't even I was gonna tell you the franchise he worked for.

00:35:38
Speaker 3: I'll tell you after that, but you don't.

00:35:40
Speaker 1: Even know that. It's not even been like what that motherburger like. He's not like a brand name director that you would know, but he was a brand name director back in the day who worked a lot and shit could be like fucking you know, people who just like you know, like Rosemaries baby and shit like they believe.

00:35:58
Speaker 5: I feel like those people exist.

00:36:01
Speaker 1: In a world where like mamily, you know, it was like, oh, there was a war in heaven and the angels one and then they cast the other bad angels for sure. Poor motherfuckers were like, dude, it's a ward Heaven.

00:36:16
Speaker 3: Mighty, but I'd.

00:36:17
Speaker 1: Rather rain in hell than serving him and fuck you God. But you know, then there are also people that are like, you know, iron Man died for all of us. And that's that's my favorite story right there.

00:36:32
Speaker 2: That's what we believe that.

00:36:33
Speaker 1: We believe and think about it, the Jesus story. He starts good.

00:36:38
Speaker 3: And just gets better.

00:36:39
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying he's born pure in a fucking manger. They laid him as a fucking with animals and shit like that and fucking and then he's so he's born a good boy and he gets he only gets better, and then he dies. You know, Tony Stark's story is about growth and change, going from being a child to understanding that the world is bigger than.

00:37:00
Speaker 3: You, and you.

00:37:03
Speaker 1: And such a good man. He learned a thing. You know, I'm not taking like you know if you love Jesus by all means, but like you know, what Jesus learned was like my father wants me to do what I'm down here having a ball, and what.

00:37:20
Speaker 5: You tell me which story is more impactful? We got it in a whole another episode.

00:37:25
Speaker 1: Jesus had a better costume, it'd be a lot easier totally, because he's.

00:37:30
Speaker 2: Got like untouchable.

00:37:32
Speaker 3: He's got like good character.

00:37:33
Speaker 1: All the Christianity has good characters, right, they just don't wear very colorful offics because all the stories happened back in like desert times.

00:37:41
Speaker 2: This is just like a cloth around.

00:37:43
Speaker 1: His well, that's when he was on the cross. You can get him a few action figures because he wore a few different things like fucking regular, you know, fucking son of God, fatigues, a wedding in Cana fatigues. He probably wore white, you know, in crucifixion clothes.

00:38:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get three actions. Oh baby Jesus, oh of course.

00:38:06
Speaker 1: And then twelve year old Jesus preaching to the to the Pharisees and the Saddus sees in the temple. That's a story like his parents are looking for him, like we can't find Jesus and they find him in the temple and all the fucking high priests and people are sitting around listening to this twelve year old kid talk about Kingdom of God like Kate fucking.

00:38:25
Speaker 3: Knows this ship. It's a cool story, right.

00:38:29
Speaker 1: If you put that in a Marvel comic or DC comic and be like, oh, it's badass a hit because then the kid puts out a costume later on, that's ass. Of course, Jesus never wore a mask.

00:38:39
Speaker 3: He wore a beard.

00:38:40
Speaker 1: That was the problem some of this, some fucking.

00:38:43
Speaker 2: Like that's fucking golden.

00:38:49
Speaker 1: That's how you get It's so the boy who thinks he is Marty Martin.

00:38:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you believe it?

00:39:00
Speaker 2: You know what I'm not gonna.

00:39:05
Speaker 1: He's that boy's nineteen now, so you can shoot up.

00:39:07
Speaker 2: I'm gonna believe this truth.

00:39:08
Speaker 1: I mean why, and I'm not against it. I just want to know why you choose to read.

00:39:14
Speaker 5: I feel like a lot of my beliefs about since I wasn't raised to really believe one thing except that there is to not believe in religion.

00:39:24
Speaker 1: As far as religion, you were raised to believe a lot of very positive things. But just when it came to.

00:39:28
Speaker 5: Religions, yes, yes, I'm solely speaking about religion and spirituality.

00:39:33
Speaker 1: We gave her a more out. She's not just like I started killing small animals because life means nothing.

00:39:40
Speaker 5: Since I was.

00:39:43
Speaker 1: I believe nothing, So I believe no life is safe, not yours.

00:39:47
Speaker 5: Oh my god, if I would never excuse me, I.

00:39:50
Speaker 1: Know that's that you're you're a commercial for not raising a kid of religion because you've got a real good head on your shoulders and you're a good person.

00:39:57
Speaker 5: I never did anything wrong. I never snuck out of this house.

00:40:00
Speaker 1: I don't think you.

00:40:02
Speaker 2: I never did any drugs before.

00:40:03
Speaker 1: I was like, you're not an angel. You could be an no, bro, I might as well.

00:40:08
Speaker 5: I didn't do nothing.

00:40:10
Speaker 2: I didn't do nothing yet pre mar sex well, thank you for listening tomorrow.

00:40:18
Speaker 1: I remember any stories in the Bible and was like, and.

00:40:21
Speaker 3: I got into some teenage padding.

00:40:23
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening this weekend.

00:40:27
Speaker 11: After I played John, we do a little piece of the show for you give me my Name.

00:40:37
Speaker 5: I really there should be a Crucible musical version of the Cruis.

00:40:41
Speaker 2: I thought that music be pretty.

00:40:42
Speaker 1: Give me back my name, woman, give me back, give him back his name. And then hester no, that's that's the that's the letter. What's the name of the name, Goodie Proctor, Goodie Proctor? Right, good? I think you call it Goodie Proctor. Goodie Proctor. Finally stands up and she's like, nobody's taken your name. Fuck that.

00:41:09
Speaker 11: They're trying to kill me for being a witch, and you're worried about your fucking name, But woman, kill meat my name.

00:41:19
Speaker 5: This guy will not fucking sit down.

00:41:22
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's man explaining the Crucible to me?

00:41:25
Speaker 5: Can we also talk about how the Abigail to My John Proctor has now been an opening act.

00:41:33
Speaker 2: For Taylor Swift.

00:41:35
Speaker 1: Wait wait, I mean c Abrams was this was.

00:41:38
Speaker 5: The Abigail to My John Proctor.

00:41:41
Speaker 1: Is that right? And she was Goodie Proctor, she was, and that well. I thought it was wait a sector, I think you did the show, not may I read the book.

00:41:51
Speaker 5: I gave the performance of a lifetime that was unforgettable.

00:41:54
Speaker 1: You left it all on the stage although there was no stage, it was just a flat floor, the platform. Everything was painting. Like watching it was like watching a play done on a basketball court. It was like because the audience was right there, like we were in the show. I was like, get back his name, so we get out of here. Fuck you. I remember being very impressed and you came up after what I will never forget.

00:42:25
Speaker 3: Let me.

00:42:26
Speaker 2: You came up and this thing you said. I was like, that was intense.

00:42:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, because at the end you were like fucking night.

00:42:39
Speaker 12: Curtain behind in the backstage, which wasn't a backstage because once again it was in stage.

00:42:45
Speaker 1: It was it was very off on guard theater.

00:42:49
Speaker 5: Behind the wall, listening to the saddest my Chemical Romance songs.

00:42:52
Speaker 2: Came myself to cry.

00:42:53
Speaker 1: What you were doing? Oh yeah, oh my god. When we were making Red Steak, Kyle Gollner, you know, his character go through a lot in the movie and ship at one point, he's like tied to a fucking crossing ship. So he would go off and listen to like death metal and speed metal and depressing music. Man, no, no, I just got he fucking looks so haunted. And then you're like you're ready and be like and then start acting you do that ship too? Yeah, well, never once in my entire life I've been like, I gotta be silent, bo, So I'm just gonna listen to silence. Are you ready for me? Now?

00:43:33
Speaker 5: That's that's gotta be the next.

00:43:37
Speaker 1: Says give me back my name? Woman, Like, is he talking to you?

00:43:41
Speaker 2: Got to put that in the next one. That's got to be his one line.

00:43:49
Speaker 1: For those for those who have never fucked the Crucible. While he does want his name back, he never asks a woman for it.

00:43:57
Speaker 2: He never calls anybody whom. I can assure.

00:44:04
Speaker 1: You, I'm not saying I'm fucking more clever than Arthur Miller, but I do fail.

00:44:12
Speaker 5: It would have been a little more impactful, all right.

00:44:16
Speaker 1: It's a little boy, A little boy you feel could be telling the truth.

00:44:21
Speaker 12: I just feel like a lot of my beliefs, which are not even fully formed beliefs, just more thoughts and feelings ideas that I have, thank you, ideas about spirituality.

00:44:35
Speaker 5: A lot of them don't add up together. They're more separate thoughts, like I don't.

00:44:40
Speaker 2: Believe in heaven, Aura hell, but I do feel like there is maybe some.

00:44:48
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't.

00:44:50
Speaker 2: I actually have no working idea. Who truly knows.

00:44:53
Speaker 5: But like, wouldn't you like to think that populis looking at you somewhere?

00:44:58
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where you took it. Don't get me a cry about my father's gone. Give me back my father, woman, But I don't know. But also, like, you know what.

00:45:09
Speaker 3: Let me be honest with you.

00:45:11
Speaker 1: Whenever I do a show in front of people, that's that's when.

00:45:18
Speaker 3: I feel like.

00:45:21
Speaker 1: My Like, that's the closest I feel to my father.

00:45:25
Speaker 2: Oh that's really sweet.

00:45:27
Speaker 1: He liked when I would get up on stage and do ship. So whenever I like doing a show, at a certain point in the evening, it was a moment where I'm like, there he is in the audience.

00:45:37
Speaker 2: That's really beautiful.

00:45:40
Speaker 5: I think that's beautiful.

00:45:43
Speaker 1: And he's sitting there and he's thinking like, well, won't he give him back his thing?

00:45:48
Speaker 2: Please give this poor son of a bitch name, make it up.

00:45:53
Speaker 1: Please names when we go home. Grace who said that Grace the boy won't give him back? Then it's not even the thought of a story. I don't care. I just want to go.

00:46:05
Speaker 2: The ghost in the back room.

00:46:08
Speaker 5: Wait, do you believe in ghost house?

00:46:16
Speaker 3: There was? I would have met that coast.

00:46:17
Speaker 1: You know it's in this house something fucking living. Because in the sofit of my office at four or five in the morning, if I'm up riding, I'll hear skintering, which I'm going to just assume as a squirrel because there's so many.

00:46:29
Speaker 2: You tell yourself whatever you got.

00:46:31
Speaker 1: I don't see any rats around here, but I do see squirrels. Well, no, I haven't seen it rit in fucking years, man, But I did see you know, we live in the hills. But I heard one of them moving something that sounded like an oxygen take rolling. It like metal rolling.

00:46:47
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what if they build?

00:46:48
Speaker 1: What does he building? Them? There? The ultimate weapon? He's like, when it's finished, will kill the man.

00:46:56
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like the elves.

00:46:58
Speaker 1: Will kill the man and take every thing that is. The dogs will be eyes. The dogs will look up periodically. Know what that fucking noise.

00:47:07
Speaker 5: Of the squirrels, the oxygen squirrel.

00:47:11
Speaker 1: There's no I ain't seen evidence of no rat, but I've seen squirrels everywhere. That makes squirrels make sense. Let's leave it at squirrels.

00:47:18
Speaker 5: Do you believe in heaven or hell?

00:47:20
Speaker 3: Not anymore?

00:47:21
Speaker 1: Then?

00:47:21
Speaker 2: Why are you scared about on that?

00:47:24
Speaker 1: Oh? Because I fucking I don't think you should tempt Maybe I don't. I don't just not believing in heaven hell does not. I mean I can't believe in evil, the force of evil, the energy of evil.

00:47:40
Speaker 13: I think evil lives inside of humans, though I think that, I think demons live inside. I think demons are like the the evil thoughts.

00:47:51
Speaker 1: And do you know demons which.

00:47:57
Speaker 3: I don't know.

00:48:00
Speaker 1: Etymology is the study of words, so etymologically speaking, wow. Demon came from the Greek damon e d A E m r. And originally it did not mean evil spirit, it meant guiding spirit. So jimminy cricket was a demon, and that's because of religion. They slowly turned it from from a supernatural being that would guide and help a human being into the devil. And the fact that.

00:48:40
Speaker 5: Bruh jiminy cricket was demon.

00:48:46
Speaker 1: What is his thing.

00:48:47
Speaker 3: What's he say all the time?

00:48:49
Speaker 1: He's not where where shop? He sings it?

00:48:54
Speaker 5: I honestly one one would be other friends who you are everything your heart isar.

00:49:06
Speaker 3: We will come with Satan.

00:49:09
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