Another Zelda Podcast

From Cuccos to clay pots to… bottled water?! David and Kady are counting down the most hilariously absurd ways to take down a boss in the Zelda series. Join us as we celebrate the creativity (and chaos) of fighting dirty in the most delightful ways possible.
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Host
David Geisler
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Host
Kady Roberts

What is Another Zelda Podcast?

It’s a secret to everybody. | Another Zelda Podcast is a show wherein we talk about all things regarding The Legend of Zelda series!

David Geisler:

Hello, and welcome to another Zelda podcast. I'm David here with my cohost, Katie Roberts. Katie, how are you?

Kady Roberts:

I'm so good tonight. How are you?

David Geisler:

I'm well. I'm well. We are it's kind of fun. We're recording on new mics tonight. I hope the the levels are okay.

David Geisler:

It's a little bit they're a little bit more sensitive than what we're used to. So I'm trying to kind of control my voice a little bit and not get too loud. But how have you been? It's been actually, it's only been a couple of days since we've recorded the last episode.

Kady Roberts:

Within those couple of days, I have been mainly focusing on my D and D character for your campaign that you talked about.

David Geisler:

Oh my god, I'm so excited

Kady Roberts:

about So for the lovely listeners, David is running a really cool D and D campaign and I was like high key kind of jealous when he told me about it because I was like, that sounds cool. I want to be a part of it. And then he asked me like last session, so a couple of days ago, hey, someone dropped out. Do you want to come join? And I was like, let me go home tonight and drop my D and D character.

Kady Roberts:

So that's that's what I've been doing.

David Geisler:

I've been D and D curious for about a decade. And I finally I started playing about five, six years ago. But when we started when we started this show, another Zelda podcast, I had no I had zero D and D experience. And We had a couple of people with listener feedback write in and talk about how they were playing essentially Zelda themed D and D quests and games and all that campaigns. I just thought it was the coolest thing in the world.

David Geisler:

I I guess you could say jealous of those people. I thought it was awesome. And finally, about four years ago, I got invited by my cousin Alex, who's been on AZP. I think he's in season two for a couple episodes. He's in like definitely in one episode of season one and he's even in the seventh episode of Returning Student.

David Geisler:

But anyway, I digress. As a DM, he invited me to to to start a campaign. And I was like, yes, please. And yes. And so I I played an elf ranger with a grappling hook.

Kady Roberts:

Everyone plays an elf for the first time.

David Geisler:

Elf ranger. I basically played Link. Yeah. I didn't like really want to say it, but his name was hilarious, but it was Link. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Played for a couple years and then the campaign, people moved. We weren't able to play anymore. And about nine months ago, I was getting a little hungry for some D and D because I do enjoy it. It's been quite fun. And I was talking to Michelle, my girlfriend.

David Geisler:

I was like, I kind of want to play again. She was like, Yeah, I'm actually curious about playing. I've never played, but I've actually kind of wanted to. And long story short, a couple of conversations with a couple of people at my job at the store, they had said they had never played but kind of wanted to. And it and it struck me.

David Geisler:

I was like, well, you know what? I'd love to try to be a DM, but I've never been a DM before. And I certainly am. I'm learning as well. I don't have all 900 spells of every character memorized.

Kady Roberts:

You're not Matt Mercer.

David Geisler:

I'm not right. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Though hot spicy take, I think here are about the same age. Anyway, hey, I'm into it.

Kady Roberts:

He's so cool.

David Geisler:

He's he's phenomenal. And actually actually in my DM ing journey here over the last year, I've actually watched a bunch of his videos for tips and stuff, and it's been super awesome. But anyway, we decided to start a campaign and it was four people and I'm writing the entire story. I'm using the D and D rules, all the bad guys and the creatures and monsters from D and D. We're using D and D Beyond for our character sheets.

David Geisler:

We're doing a lot of physical rolling, but we're also doing a little bit of the digital rolling on D and D Beyond. But all the maps I personally draw, I've built the whole story. I've got probably the next 12 sessions designed. So like the next maybe two years of play because we only play once a month, which sucks, but we're all adults and we all have lives. And so we play once a month.

David Geisler:

And yes, Katie, one of our characters, my dragonborn, Drogon, the IRL player is moving to Mexico City, which is awesome because Mexico City we actually have a Mexico City connection with AZP. Mhmm. But, anyways, I digress. That gentleman's leaving in one more play session. So I've written a little bit of a story arc that might allow him to have a heroic exit.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. And we needed a new character. And I I've been doing another thing with this. I'm I'm just jumping in hard here. I love it.

David Geisler:

Also also, we're talking about the silliest ways to fight bosses tonight.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, yeah. We are doing that as well.

David Geisler:

The silliest ways to fight Which I in all Zelda games.

Kady Roberts:

It's very good that we're leading with D and D for this because D and D is always the silliest ways to kill bosses.

David Geisler:

We've had some silly moments. Oh my gosh, we had one. We had one last. Well, it wasn't a boss, but I had my team there on a minecart. The minecart was racing 100 miles an hour through a cave.

David Geisler:

And my well, Michelle's character, her is a she's a druid. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Kady Roberts:

Was she the elf druid?

David Geisler:

Druid wizard or druid elf? Yeah, yeah. Druid elf grew a tree out of the front of this mine cart. It grew out like 80 feet in about twelve seconds, and it smashed into bits and pieces and stopped the cart from falling from, like, crashing into a cave wall. I don't want get into it.

David Geisler:

This is another other podcast episode, not a Dungeons and Dragons episode, but it was awesome. And so, yes, Katie, one thing I've been doing that's been fun is every, like, third or fourth session, I've been inviting people to come in as guest players, guest characters. So if I if I have a monster of the week storyline or a NPC of the week storyline, I've invited some of my old D and D players to come in. I've invited some people from work. I have different characters set.

David Geisler:

And initially, you and I, I talked to you about like, Hey, do you ever want to be like one of those guest characters? Right? We didn't know what that character would be. But now with a permanent exit from the team, I've worked it into the narrative and you've built a character.

Kady Roberts:

Yes. And I'm very excited.

David Geisler:

And we are bringing you in not this month, but next month. I want to give the character who's leaving a proper heroic send off. Yeah. Of course, it's in their hands. I don't know if they'll exactly go the the the direction that I'm anticipating.

David Geisler:

We'll see how it all goes. That is absolutely the most fun thing about the most fun thing about being a DM is when the players do what you do not anticipate. That's when things get really real and really exciting. And so I'm not I'm not sure how that's all gonna end, but how much can we talk about this? Because I don't think my three other players really listen on no.

David Geisler:

We shouldn't talk about it all because Michelle is starting to listen to another Zelda podcast. Wait. You wanna talk about a little bit? Just just like a tiny bit. Do it and I'll tell her not to listen to this episode.

Kady Roberts:

Just tell her, like, to skip the beginning part.

David Geisler:

I'll say skip to minute twenty based on our intros lately. And then you can get to the content. Alright. Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler:

So so what's up? What's up, Katie? You've been building a character that's going to come into our campaign.

Kady Roberts:

I have been. I'm a avid D and D fan. I got into it by listening to the adventure zone with the McElroy family. Yeah. And then got my brother into it, and then my brother got our friends into it.

Kady Roberts:

And then we started playing in high school. And then since then, I've played a couple off and on campaigns. I've never played a full finish campaign before just because stuff always happens and it gets in the way.

David Geisler:

Well, is interesting because part of our deal is that everybody kinda has to be a noob, but a little bit you're not, which is fine. I'm still bringing you in. But like, what's the what's your relationship with D and D in that case? Like, where would you put yourself with the, like, experience level?

Kady Roberts:

I would say I am not advanced, but maybe like in between. But that's where it gets weird too, because I am kind of coming into this as a new because I've only ever played spell casters before.

David Geisler:

Okay.

Kady Roberts:

And so for this, I'm building and also I tend to lean towards smaller races, except for my So my first ever character was an elf obviously. Yep. And she was a bard. I play a lot of bards.

David Geisler:

An elf bard? We have a tiefling bard in the group right now. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

But then from there, I've played like I like playing weird characters. So I played Herragon before, which is like a hair. Yep. I played my my most recent one was Koda, who is a Kenku. And that was fun.

David Geisler:

When you play.

Kady Roberts:

I do different voices

David Geisler:

like with all the We all do we all do care like, there's for the most part, the most of the players, it's more like affectations right now. They have a tone to their voice. They're not necessarily doing Yeah. Actual voices, but I'm 100% doing voices for all the NPCs. A %.

David Geisler:

They've all picked characters where their voices are fairly synonymous with their experience. But what I think when you have played with previous DMs, is it mostly theater of the mind? Is there a lot of tactical board play? Is there

Kady Roberts:

mostly theater of the mind? My roommate, when I started playing with her, she did have like a little square board that she could draw on.

David Geisler:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

And then we were playing over Discord on tabletop simulator. Yeah. Well, yeah. But yeah, mostly theater of the mind. But so this is my first time playing a physical combat.

David Geisler:

We we have put maps on the table with protractors for distance. I'm excited. It's a little bit tactical. It's a little battle mappy and I love it that way.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I haven't played like a very to the book kind of campaign before.

David Geisler:

It's stuff like this. I'm showing Katie some shots. There's a overlay over that's like that's what the map looks like. See the protractors. One equals five feet.

David Geisler:

One equals 25 feet.

Kady Roberts:

That's sick.

David Geisler:

That's the last battle they left off at. And that's it for now. But you know, kind of get the idea. I butcher paper and I kind of draw the maps out as we go. You also mentioned that you've never used D and D Beyond before.

David Geisler:

We got few more I'm just I'm just being gluttonous at this point.

Kady Roberts:

No, it's okay. No, I haven't used D and D Beyond before just because a lot of the stuff that I wanted to play, you have to pay for for the expansion stuff.

David Geisler:

Okay. That's a good point. I've paid for it as the DM for certain expansions, but we're we're home brewing a few things and we're playing pretty basic right now. It's like there's a of goblins and rats. Let's face it.

David Geisler:

Here's another example. We were fighting some trolls.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, I like the trees. So

David Geisler:

so I am a I'm a big model maker buff at heart. I loved model trains when I was a kid. And yes, I 100% hit up the Michaels in my areas, in my neighborhood. We 100% use tack, sticky tack to put trees down. We put rocks down, we put terrain down, we put bushes down, the whole thing.

David Geisler:

What are you pulling up on your iPad there?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. So, okay. My character, I decided her name will be Volin Throat Ripper. She is going to be a half orc barbarian. I have to talk to you about this, but I was thinking she would be the chieftain's daughter and she has to kind of prove herself because she is a half orc to be the leader of their orc tribe.

Kady Roberts:

But I drew her and this is her.

David Geisler:

Oh my God, this is amazing.

Kady Roberts:

I love her very much.

David Geisler:

She's an eight pack.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, she's the first character I've drawn in this style before. Was trying something different.

David Geisler:

Oh, this is great. Yeah, I'm seeing we got a spiky.

Kady Roberts:

Some shoulder armor going on.

David Geisler:

A huge axe.

Kady Roberts:

Tons of tattoos because I was gonna have her be the ancestral tribe type of barbarian.

David Geisler:

Now I have a character who's a half orc that's a right now my team thinks that he's a bad guy and he kind of is. He's a bit of a antagonist, but he has his reasons and in the next session they're going to learn why and they might even gain some sympathy for this character. But when you told me that you'd like to play a half orc, I was like, well, maybe we can make there be a connection. And you came up with the idea that maybe she comes from his like original town

Kady Roberts:

or something. His like original clan or tribe. I

David Geisler:

think we need to talk about Zelda. Yes. Even though this is amazing. I'm so excited about it.

Kady Roberts:

It's all the time.

David Geisler:

There's a lot of, you know, the the but it's a blurry line between D and D and Zelda love. There's a lot of D and D love with Zelda love and all the rest. I can't wait for you to become part of our campaign, Katie. It's gonna be so exciting. D and D is the only thing in my life that I haven't turned into a podcast.

David Geisler:

I desperately want to, but I'm almost purposely holding back and not because I'm already making three other shows. Yeah, all the six, five shows and it becomes this sacred little thing that we do here right over here. Just beyond the camera for the magical cert people. We play right over here and I think it's gonna be awesome when you come in. Yeah.

David Geisler:

What was your

Kady Roberts:

name again? Vollen throat ripper.

David Geisler:

Vollen throat ripper. I know exactly how she's coming in. I don't wanna I don't wanna get into it anymore. Let's get into our listener feedback so we can talk about our silliest ways to fight bosses. By the way, I did a lecture at Columbia College recently.

Kady Roberts:

So jealous.

David Geisler:

Where I was able to do an hour and a half lecture to the podcast one class, which both you and I took a couple years ago. And I've been a little bit of a hypocrite in season seven here for AZP. After the lecture, some of the students asked me, they said, Hey, what's the first thing that makes you not want to listen to a show? And I said, When they don't get to the point in the first five minutes. And you and I have been waxing poetic for ten, fifteen, twenty minutes each of these episodes, season seven.

David Geisler:

So we got to reel it in. Got to reel it in. But also, I'm just so fun to have this relationship and this whole kind of thing that we're doing with season seven. So with all that said, I'm lampshading the whole situation. But here we go.

David Geisler:

Before we get into our silliest ways to fight bosses, let's do some listener feedback, Katie.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. What is this on? Is this on YouTube? Apple Podcasts? Spotify?

David Geisler:

I feel like that's a Spotify.

Kady Roberts:

A Spotify? Okay. Alright. Potentially on Spotify. Artemis two zero eight commented on our Ocarina of Time three d episode.

Kady Roberts:

So happy to see the triumphant return of my favorite podcast.

David Geisler:

We've read this one before.

Kady Roberts:

Every time.

David Geisler:

Is happening every episode right now. We can do Artemis.

Kady Roberts:

Wait. No. I think this is a different one.

David Geisler:

Okay. Let's do it then. Let's do it. Let's just let's just let it happen. And we're deleting these as we read them.

David Geisler:

Right?

Kady Roberts:

You're right. It is. It's the same one. Okay.

David Geisler:

We gotta get our act together.

Kady Roberts:

Sorry, Ernesto. Love you. We read you last episode.

David Geisler:

Oh, I'm peeking the mic. Oh, no. Alright.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. Ocarina of Time three d comment by may underscore chan.

David Geisler:

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts:

Love the episode. I've been working on playing as many Zelda games as I can, and I'm working on A Link to the Past for the first time. It's my husband's favorite Zelda, and I'm floored by how hard it is. My Twitch community loves it, though.

David Geisler:

Wait. My Twitch community?

Kady Roberts:

That's what she says.

David Geisler:

Well, what's the handle on the comment? Because maybe that's the Twitch handle.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. It's may, m a e, underscore c h a n n.

David Geisler:

May, etcetera. If that is your Twitch handle, that's awesome. If not, let us know and and we'll at least be excited to mention it. I hope that your playthrough through A Link to the Past is going well. I also think that game is actually really, really tough.

David Geisler:

It's it's tough in ways like because you have to revert. We've well, we've had this conversation before, Katie. Like, sometimes when you go to the older you have to remove certain expectations. Yeah. Like, there's little things like, when Link swings their sword, his sword, you can't stop swing and change direction in swing.

David Geisler:

You have to move again and swing. Or even in Link's Awakening, you can swing and then push up and swing up. Yeah. But Link has to literally take a step. In in, Super Nintendo, there's, like, tiny little things like that that get a little tough.

David Geisler:

But anyways, here we go. Over on podcasts for, our Ocarina of Time three d episode, probably over on Spotify Mhmm. From Cain, c a I n. Hey, guys. Love the show.

David Geisler:

I'm in high school, and I've been listening to this podcast for around five years now. Ocarina of Time three d was my first Zelda game, and it's also my favorite. Glad you guys are covering it. Keep up the great work. Also, I think that Majora's Mask isn't a great port and the original is better, but I can't wait for Majora's Mask episode.

David Geisler:

So, Kain, I I slightly actually agree. I'm I'm so pleased with the graphical upgrades in Majora's Mask three d, but at the end of the day, Katie, and I don't know if I fully shared this with you, at the end of the day, from a structure point of view, I think I actually prefer playing the Nintendo sixty four version over the Majora's Mask three d version. There's enough there's technically quality of life changes in the three d s version, but some of those changes change the like, it's it's complicated because as as like, one example is on the three d s version, can save a lot more.

Kady Roberts:

I was gonna say, look, three d s is always gonna be my favorite version even if I haven't fully played it yet because it has more save options.

David Geisler:

More save options. And part of like the experience of Majora's Mask is this does not speak to a modern gaming audience, but twenty years ago it was the like balancing act of like, if I save, I lose my items. Do I keep playing or do I save? And that was a really cool kind of tragic emotional experience that you'd have with the game. And when you play the 3DS version, it's just like, well, I'll save now.

David Geisler:

You know what I mean? I'll save now and keep all my rupees.

Kady Roberts:

Go put them in the bank.

David Geisler:

Well, you'd have to put them in the bank in the '64 version. Yeah. So you can do it in the three d s version as well. But like you would in the in the Nintendo sixty four version, every time you played the song of, I think it was time Mhmm. Equal to save state, you'd roar back to the beginning and you would watch the items get removed from link as you fell through the portal of time, and you'd start back at zero every day.

David Geisler:

I actually think it's interesting because I think the reason they did that is so that you couldn't kind of like rogue like it almost and just get a bunch of items and just keep looping through the day, get super powered up and then go hit the dungeons. I think that's why they added in the reset mechanic to Majora's And it's true that in Majora's Mask 3DS, some of the saves will reset you and some of the saves won't. You can kind of save as you're going. And I think that that speaks to the fact that Majora's Mask 3DS or three d was on a mobile system. And so sometimes you just got to close the case, but there it is.

Kady Roberts:

Cool. This one's also on Spotify. It's our top 10 power ups. It's by Kingo oh, King of 73. It says, you got you guys should play through Fire Emblem Three Houses.

Kady Roberts:

It is a must for any Zelda fan and or any RPG fan. It has a strong story and can be played through multiple times with each time having a different story. Yeah. I bet Katie would skip all the story dialogue like she did with Skyward Sword first time around though. It is a full voice acted game though.

Kady Roberts:

Loved this episode. Keep up the good work, SAP team, with one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13 green hearts.

David Geisler:

I mean, that's awesome. That's exciting. Three Houses is, there was a different six five show, six five media show called Turn by Turn that actually had a couple episodes about Three Houses. In fact, might have done like a three part episode series on it because of all the different endings. So if you're inclined, yeah, maybe we'll check it out.

David Geisler:

It's true. We're we're really busy playing Zelda games right now. But if you're looking for an alternate take inside the six five media universe, definitely turn by turn also. Do some talking about it, Emily. Oh, no.

David Geisler:

Emily is the new oh, it's Emily.

Kady Roberts:

King of seventy three was that comment.

David Geisler:

Yeah. I kinda know Emily online a little bit. So Emily here, jeanette eight eighteen thirteen, j a n I Sorry, sorry. J My dyslexia is kicking in hard. J A N E I T E eighteen thirteen over on Instagram.

David Geisler:

Emily here says, just listen to your episode on top 10 power ups. David's number one was the progression from Koku. Oh yeah, I'm so glad you added this in today. I actually grabbed this one on purpose. So the way we're doing it these days, listeners, is that sometimes I grab the listening feedback.

David Geisler:

Sometimes Katie does. But as we're getting set up for the episode, Katie is the one that goes into our batch and like kind of pulls the ones in. So I love this so much. Thank you for grabbing this one. David's number one was the progression from Cuckoo to Deku Leaf to Paracel Sail and then Paraglider.

David Geisler:

But you forgot about Deku Link's launch ability in Majora's Mask.

Kady Roberts:

And I

David Geisler:

think both you and I can speak to this, Katie. And and and Emily, you're absolutely right. It's a fun ability that not only gets you through the Deku Palace and Woodfall Temple, but also has a fun mini game in Clock Town use utilizing the same ability. Anyways, love the show and all the LOZ content. Keep it coming.

David Geisler:

Three heart emojis and Emily. Fantastic. Thank you so much. I think she follows our AZP account, and I think we might even now actually be following each other on our personal accounts. It's great.

David Geisler:

Emily, totally appreciate the enthusiasm and excitement. Thank you so much. And yeah, you're right.

Kady Roberts:

I love the way you get around as a Deku Scrub. Shooting up.

David Geisler:

Yeah. The reason I think I didn't think about it is because there isn't like a literal sale element. It's just you spinning pedals. It's the spinning pedals, but it's really is the same mechanic. And so she's absolutely right.

David Geisler:

It's very cool.

Kady Roberts:

I have one last one. This one looks like it's over on YouTube for top 10 most beautiful places.

David Geisler:

Oh, that's an old one.

Kady Roberts:

It's an old one. It's by whim underscore the underscore greenkeeper. Hello to everybody in the crew. I've been listening from time to time to the podcast. The last few weeks, I've been going through all the seasons of the show.

Kady Roberts:

David really inspired me to try the original Zelda from the NES again. After being a Zelda fan for thirty years, I'm happy to say I finally beat it, and I loved every bit of it. Thanks for the great podcast and the inspiration to keep enjoying every Zelda in its own way.

David Geisler:

Oh, I love it. And that's a deep cut. That's a that's a that's like Katie, I don't think you've you've probably toyed around with the first Zelda one and Zelda two. I haven't played

Kady Roberts:

them at all, but I've watched other people play.

David Geisler:

You have not pushed the buttons on the Nintendo controller yet to play it? No. Well, that's gonna be great when we

Kady Roberts:

I will be, though.

David Geisler:

That's gonna be well, and and again, like, I almost I'm almost asking you, like, save it a little bit for the show. I know you've a couple of Zelda games in your queue. I I instead of just blasting into 9,000,000 Zelda games, I'd almost rather that you kind of experience them at a certain pace. And I know you have three of them that you're playing, but that's going be great. We're 100%.

David Geisler:

We have never done a Legend of Zelda review episode or a Link Link's Adventures review episode. I think an original Legend of Zelda episode, especially with you in the context of a newer player and an older player like that that I think that's we got to do it. Maybe that's like top of season eight or something.

Kady Roberts:

Funny enough, I have a list on my phone of all of the Zelda games that I have played and that I haven't played. I have them in order of like which one I want to play next.

David Geisler:

Let's hear it.

Kady Roberts:

So I'm playing through Wind Waker right now, so that's top of the list. I put Majora's Mask on hold, but that's probably going to be next for me is Majora's Mask. If not Majora's Mask, then Phantom Hourglass.

David Geisler:

I would ask that it's Phantom Hourglass only because I've started playing Phantom Hourglass. Do you want do a review episode of it?

Kady Roberts:

So it'll be Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Majora's Mask. And then potentially, if you're willing, Twilight Princess. And then if I can get my hands on spirit tracks, want do that next because I want to finish like the Toon Link trilogy or like series before it all leaves my brain.

David Geisler:

I am the most willing to do a Twilight Princess episode with you.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I have it for the for the Wii U, so I'm very excited.

David Geisler:

And so we've done a Twilight Princess review episode way back in season one, but we're kind of we're getting a little cheeky this season, and we're doing like

Kady Roberts:

First impressions.

David Geisler:

First impressions. We're doing Wind Waker HD review, Link's Awakening 2019 review, and it's a way to some of these games through the context of someone who's been introduced to the Zelda series. So if we did a Twilight Princess HD review, I've got it on my Wii U right over there. You've got on your Wii U. I think let's do Phantom Hourglass first.

David Geisler:

Twilight Princess, maybe it's our season finale. Maybe it's into next season because it does the thing about Twilight Princess is that I I want you to, like, play it at a not at a rushed pace. Yeah. You know what I mean? But awesome.

David Geisler:

Cool. And then what and then and then, okay, maybe maybe it's the end of season eight. We've we, like, we, like, do the we do it. It's been eight seasons, and we do the Legend of Zelda actual review episode of the very first Legend of Zelda.

Kady Roberts:

I would love that.

David Geisler:

I in the first couple years of making a show with Kate, my old cohost, we had such great times talking about certain things, but it was she was very she wasn't particularly excited about playing the two d games. And so, like, we kind of played Link's Awakening. She kind of liked it. We played Majora or we played Phantom Argole as she kind of liked it. And so I always stayed away from some of these two d games, and so maybe that's an experience that you and I can share, Katie.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Alright. I'm excited.

David Geisler:

Let's, get into our silliest ways to fight bosses. Top 10. So we're going bottom of it. I've picked five, you picked five. I've got two honorable mentions.

Kady Roberts:

I grab two honorable mentions as well.

David Geisler:

Oh, interesting. And so I think we'll save the honorable mentions. We even got one tweet today about it. I'll try to pull it up on the break. Let us start at our lowest going up to our favorite or most exciting.

Kady Roberts:

Do we do honorable mentions before we say our favorite?

David Geisler:

I think we do it just before the first. I think we do it between two and one. That's always a fun way

Kady Roberts:

to do honorable Like WatchMojo.

David Geisler:

Oh, is that how WatchMojo does it? Sure. I'm into it. I'm into it. I'm a little embarrassed.

David Geisler:

I never really realized that that Oh, I that was a format.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I watch a lot of I used to watch a lot of Watch Mojo.

David Geisler:

Hey. That's great. Even if you still do. But I do think that's a great way to, like, you know, build some Yeah. Build up some anticipation.

David Geisler:

However, I'm technically hosting this episode, but I'd kinda like for you to have the last say. So why why don't I go first with with my fifth?

Kady Roberts:

Okay. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Before I get into this, don't want to spend maybe just a minute or two. Don't want spend too much time. What was your criteria for the silliest ways to fight bosses?

Kady Roberts:

That was the thing. I struggled a lot trying to think because, you know, there's not too many. My thing was like, I wanted to pick ones that actually made me chuckle when I played, not ones that I like, look back. I'm like, I could see that being funny. So I was like, really struggling with my criteria.

Kady Roberts:

So some of these might not make sense.

David Geisler:

This one was hard for me, too.

Kady Roberts:

I want to be honest. Some of these might not make sense to to normal people. But when I was playing the game, these were the ones that made me chuckle. So that was my criteria.

David Geisler:

I we picked this episode, I dunno, a couple of weeks back, and I think like the title of it, we were like, Yes, of course, no problem. And I started studying up and I was like, I really, Oh my gosh, I don't know. And I used the criteria of, Is it silly? But maybe it is the way to battle the boss. And also, we really did ourselves a favor of making FNAP boss battles.

David Geisler:

Like, it could have been like silliest ways to attack enemies, but we picked bosses. And so we're sticking with bosses.

Kady Roberts:

Which I also used mini bosses.

David Geisler:

Oh, sure. That works for me. That's fine. That's fine. I'm still peeking my mic.

David Geisler:

I got to pull back a little.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, I don't know if we mentioned it. We have new mics. If we did.

David Geisler:

Oh, 100% we mentioned it.

Kady Roberts:

Okay, cool.

David Geisler:

I know it's blurry as it was it with the magical sword people on air. Think I think we did it on air. For me, my criteria was, is it unexpected or would it kind of in the real world not make sense?

Kady Roberts:

Okay.

David Geisler:

One of the ones I didn't pick is that, like, you can, like, technically use a jar to, like, attack Ganon at a certain point in one of the games. Mhmm. You know, there's all those kinds of things. There's a there's a little bit of that in here. One that I didn't include, but should be an honorable mention, but I'll just spoil it right now, is the kind of famous, which is why I didn't include it.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

The famous using the fishing rod to attack Ganon in Twilight Princess at the final battle is actually like super strong.

Kady Roberts:

That's funny. I never heard that before.

David Geisler:

You get the fishing rod like in the pregame of Twilight Princess, and technically you can use it and it's actually super strong either by design or by accident. Some of these things are accidents, some of them are for real. And so that was kind of my criteria was, something that is an alternate. It was either like it's the main way to fight a boss and it's just silly or it's an alternate way to affect a boss that is silly in that it is not would not be intuitively obvious, perhaps. Know what I mean?

David Geisler:

With that said, my number five is in the former of those two categories. It is the way to fight the boss, but it's kind of a silly way to fight the boss. And there's a reason why it's my number five. For me also, by the way, what's fun about these top 10 episodes that we do, we've talked about this in the past. You know, there's a lot of like, we this is never ever any conversation we have on this show ever is not like our definitive 10.

David Geisler:

It's not like this is put it in the books, get Guinness Guinness World Records. This is what we say is the top five, the top 10, the whatever. At the end of the day, this is just a construct for us to talk about some things that we, you know, it's just a way to talk about more Zelda. With that said, wait, are you looking at my screen? Are you looking at my answers or my?

Kady Roberts:

Oh, no.

David Geisler:

I was

Kady Roberts:

looking at the the the the waveforms.

David Geisler:

Because I'm peeking because we're all getting little too I

Kady Roberts:

keep looking at the at

David Geisler:

the Maybe we should wear headphones. We'll do for the next episode, we'll do headphones and see if fixes We might be peeking a lot in this episode. My number five is when you're fighting the dragon in the first dungeon in Wind Waker and needing to clawshot, not really clawshot, but whip hook its tail I love and pull it down. It is so silly. I remember playing Wind Waker for the first time and being like, Okay, we know how these Zelda puzzles work.

David Geisler:

You got to find the thing, you got to find the weakness. And I was like, Really? I'm tugging on its butt. I'm going to pull its butt through the volcano. Like, I remember thinking like, This is so silly right now.

David Geisler:

And every time you you grab it and swing, it cuts to the the the the camera cuts to the top and he goes, and all of that. And I thought it was totally silly. It seems like you're gonna say something.

Kady Roberts:

I was going to put that one, but I had a strong feeling because I think you briefly mentioned it last time. So I was like, Okay, I think David's going mention it. But I do like that one a lot because not only is it just a really funny way, but it's also a really anticlimactic fight because you believe tug on his tail three times and it's over. Yeah. So I thought that was also

David Geisler:

very funny. Pops down and coming like, yeah, covers up the lava. Super silly little thing. Maybe the great maybe a good way to a stark contrast from Ocarina where the first battle is Goma. You know, it's like actually kinda scary, but there it is.

David Geisler:

I guess I guess we only spent a couple seconds on that one, but my number five is is pulling on the dragon in Wind Waker. What is your five, Kate?

Kady Roberts:

My number five is a classic, but they just look so silly and it's such a silly little way to fight them. So I picked from Link's Awakening the Dodongo snakes. The Dodongo snakes? I thought it was funny because

David Geisler:

Don't you mean the Dodongos? I'm joking. Remember how we talked about this, how you thought they were the Dodongo in a previous episode?

Kady Roberts:

I'm Are they not the Dodongo snakes? That's what they said online?

David Geisler:

They're 100% called the Dodongo snakes.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, okay.

David Geisler:

Which is different than the Dodongos. And we talked about this a few episodes ago, but

Kady Roberts:

Everything leaves my brain immediately.

David Geisler:

I I'm actually interrupting you right now and I'm very, sorry.

Kady Roberts:

No. You're okay. Don't worry, man. But yes, the Dodongo snakes because they are just hungry little fellows and they remind me of hungry, hungry hippos where you just throw a little marble down and then they munch it up and then they kaboom. I think that's very silly and a very fun way to learn the bomb mechanics.

Kady Roberts:

That's not hard at all because you don't even have to throw it. You can just like kinda put it down there and walk away.

David Geisler:

That's a really good point. A lot of times with the Dodongos, even in the original Legend of Zelda, well, in Ocarina, they suck them in, and you throw them and they get sucked in. That was probably a response to the fact that the game's in three d. But I think you might be, okay, let me do this then. I'm gonna get a little a little not spoilery, but I'm gonna kinda get, like, kinda have some fun here.

David Geisler:

When we do inevitably play the very first Legend of Zelda game for review, they won't be weird little ball worms, but remember that mechanic because the Dodonga, which looks like a Triceratops neck game

Kady Roberts:

I have seen that.

David Geisler:

Also likes to eat up bombs on the ground.

Kady Roberts:

That's the thing. They're just hungry they're hungry hippos.

David Geisler:

For bombs?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Hungry for bombs.

David Geisler:

But what what they don't realize is that the bombs are bad for them.

Kady Roberts:

They're like little they're like little animals where they they like little cats or whatever that they start eating plastic. You're like, hey, stop that. It's not good for you.

David Geisler:

Yeah. That bomb's not good for you.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. That's my number 5.

David Geisler:

Number 5. I love it. My number 4 is another Wind Waker one, actually. And it's over in the it's actually I just realized I think it's the very next temple. I think it's the very next dungeon.

David Geisler:

I did not plan it this way. But when you're in the Deku Forest, you get to the end, you get your boomerang and you fight in the big plant. Yeah. Yeah. So the plant, you know, you're using your boomerang to shoot it up top.

David Geisler:

What's I've got it in my notes here. Kale Demos is what I would pronounce it. Know, you're you're boomeranging the thing to make it fall to the ground and the weak spot comes out the little like tonsil or whatever, like the little eyeball that comes out of the middle and you hit it with your sword. Well, if you have the foresight or the the the planning of carrying some forest water with you in a bottle because of course you use the forest water in the Deku mini game. But if you happen to have some forest water in your in a glass bottle and you make the plant fall to the ground and you run up to its, I guess you could say its weak point.

David Geisler:

Instead of going to town with your sword, if you simply drop forest water onto it, it's an insta kill.

Kady Roberts:

That's so fun. That's clever, though.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. And the idea is that the forest water I suppose the idea is that the forest water is so purifying that I have a few like that in my list where it's like, Oh, I think actually technically that kind of makes sense to point where I feel like it's not a glitch. It's maybe something the programmers put in.

Kady Roberts:

Oh no, I think that's definitely intentional. That's so cool.

David Geisler:

I don't

Kady Roberts:

think I really have much of those on my list, so you'll make up for it.

David Geisler:

Will be balanced. Will be balanced.

Kady Roberts:

I completely forgot. Oh yeah, I remember my number four. I picked from Ocarina of Time three d because whatever, same game.

David Geisler:

It's all the same.

Kady Roberts:

I did the Twinrova battle.

David Geisler:

What?

Kady Roberts:

Cool. Because I think it made me laugh because you have the two Twinrova sisters. I can't remember their exact names, but you know, one's fire, one's ice. And the whole way you fight them and kill them is you get the little mirror and you reflect the sister at the sister.

David Geisler:

Yeah, actually that's funny.

Kady Roberts:

That's very funny. Especially because they were like two halves of a hole, so they're supposed to be like forever entwined. And then you could just be like, shoot me and I'll shoot your sister with your shot. I like the thought that, you know, after you take them out wherever they end up, they're just like whining at each other being like, why? What was that?

Kady Roberts:

Why did you hit me?

David Geisler:

I know all this lore about how they're like Ganondorf's moms and stuff like that. I love. But the truth is they're so silly. Sometimes it's almost hard to believe that. Maybe it is.

David Geisler:

Maybe it is easy to believe.

Kady Roberts:

I love the twin robots so much. I wish they appeared in more stuff.

David Geisler:

It's really just their models in Majora's Mask. Wait. Nope. That's not true. They show up in the Oracle games.

Kady Roberts:

I'm excited to play those as well. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

I'm excited to play those as well as well as well.

Kady Roberts:

Do you did you play seasons first or do you play the other one first?

David Geisler:

I'm a sucker for time travel storylines. I'm big Back to the Future fan. Anytime there's a game where it's like, oh, I can go back in time and change a thing and then I can go forward in time and it changes the thing there. So I went with in the the ripe old year of 02/2001. I bought Oracle of Ages for my Game Boy Color, which is over here on the side of our shelf system here, actually.

David Geisler:

Well, actually, it's not. It's probably packed away. But anyway, it was my first year of going to Columbia College the first time.

Kady Roberts:

No.

David Geisler:

02/2001. And I played Oracle of Ages and I absolutely loved it. And it was the ages first and I never played seasons at all for years and years and years. It was one of my games of shame, I guess you could say, like, you know, you know. And when we started making this show in the first season, I started I found the cartridge.

David Geisler:

It's it's somewhere in here right now. I don't even know. Oh, right over there. There it is. So I have the ages and seasons right there on the shelf.

David Geisler:

But I did start playing seasons a little bit. Now I've played two seasons about halfway up to this point. Over the years, I've been like playing it on the side and then we do a review episode. I play a different game. So it was Age's first for me.

David Geisler:

It's interesting because yeah. What's up?

Kady Roberts:

I was gonna say when we when we inevitably do an episode on an Age's seasons, do we each play a different one first?

David Geisler:

That's super cool and interesting. I assume we'd play the same so that we can speak to it.

Kady Roberts:

But do we do one first and then the other and then talk about our experiences and our differences?

David Geisler:

Do like a mega a mega episode. Maybe it's between seasons where we actually play both between seasons, but I do ages and seasons. You do seasons and ages or something.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. That's what I was thinking.

David Geisler:

Not bad. Not bad. Let's think about it offline. Yeah. I do think as like a review episode, we should review each.

David Geisler:

They're different enough. Yeah. They're completely different maps. They're completely different worlds.

Kady Roberts:

I guess I didn't realize that.

David Geisler:

Well, I didn't know either until I started playing seasons. The fun thing is that at the end of the day, what happens is with Oracle of Ages. So these were the first two games to come out for Game Boy Color. Mhmm. There was that Game Boy Color Link's Awakening DX Yeah.

David Geisler:

Remix version, but these were the first two that were, like, really designed, like, for the color Uh-huh. With all the new memory. And so it's kind of maybe it's a little obvious, but when you think about like, oh, well, have all these sprites to build the world. We can do palette swaps on a Game Boy Color. We used to only have four colors.

David Geisler:

Now we have all these colors and we can change the colors of those colors. How can we do that? In Oracle of Seasons, what happens is all the different sprites will palette shift through four different palettes if it's fall, summer, winter, or spring.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, that's cool.

David Geisler:

There's some literal changes too. And then in Oracle of Ages, what happens is the old time stuff is very like amber and dark tones, and then the the the modern stuff, it's kind of blue tones. And so they were able to they I think I think it was actually really smart of Capcom to consider what the Game Boy Color could do when they're making both those games.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I guess I don't know what those games are about. Yeah. Yeah. To be completely honest.

David Geisler:

I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. They're not about Hyrule. And I tell you what, they're not about Ganondorf. And tell you what, they're not about Zelda.

Kady Roberts:

I'm so interested in these games because all I knew is that they were connected, and then you were talking about time travel. So I was like, oh, you travel back in time, and, like, one of the games is in the past and one's in the future. But that doesn't sound right.

David Geisler:

One takes place on an island called Holodrum. 1 takes place on an island called Librinia. If they think they're kind of equally referencing Link's Awakening in that way. Yeah. Totally different bad guys.

David Geisler:

I'm technically Ganondorf. No, Ganon. If you play both games correctly, technically, you get a Ganon fight and a Twinrova fight. But we got we got make sure

Kady Roberts:

it Twinrova's going to become my new beetle.

David Geisler:

Beetle, I think we just realized was not an echoes of wisdom, right?

Kady Roberts:

No, he's not.

David Geisler:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So sad. All right. So that's that's the whole the Oracle of Ages. Oh my gosh, we have you what I'm realizing is as many games as you have been playing over the last two years, Katie, there's like, I think you're like halfway.

David Geisler:

There's so many more games for you to still play.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. No, I still have a ways to go.

David Geisler:

Oh, it's amazing.

Kady Roberts:

I've been collecting them, though. Yeah. Slowly but surely.

David Geisler:

That's great. Okay. So forest water on the big old monster plant.

Kady Roberts:

And I said Twinrova.

David Geisler:

Oh, said Twinrova? Yes. Well, how about this? Why don't we go to break

Kady Roberts:

and do our final

David Geisler:

three in our our honorable mentions. Yeah. Alright. Cool. I'll see you in thirty seconds.

David Geisler:

And we are back, Katie. How are you?

Kady Roberts:

I'm good. We just had a really long talk off off mic

David Geisler:

about We had a nine minute conversation about D and D.

Kady Roberts:

That was so great.

David Geisler:

The magical story people got to see. Got see

Kady Roberts:

David pulled out all of his little toys

David Geisler:

and chips. Oh, god. It's so exciting. So exciting. I love it.

David Geisler:

Alright. Let's keep this episode moving. Mhmm. Let's see. I guess it's me.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. What is your number 3?

David Geisler:

Right? Oh, my list changed here with a weird carriage return. So my 3, we've talked about this boss many a times. Mhmm. Many a time.

David Geisler:

Many times. That's what it is. Bungal Bungal.

Kady Roberts:

Bungal Bungal. Yes.

David Geisler:

What's silly about Bongo Bongo? I mean, except the fact that it's like, you know, disconnected hands and it's a love

Kady Roberts:

Bongo Bongo. He was probably my favorite boss Yeah. In that game, I think. Yeah.

David Geisler:

There is a I have never done this. Full disclosure, this was me studying up. I might even learn this from Celtic, honestly. Bongo Bongo has a a silly slash alternate way to attack it. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

If you use your ice arrows on Bongo Bongo, you know, you you it's all about hitting the arrows on the hands and then it'll freak out and then he he drops its face down and you go for the eyeball. Yeah. What you can do is if you use your ice arrows, you can actually freeze Bongo Bongo's hands to the drum. Mhmm. And he gets frustrated and starts using his other hand to try to smack the ice away.

David Geisler:

And while this happens, you can actually snipe Bongo Bongo's eye with a normal arrow and get like, you know, double triple quadruple damage. And then he falls down, you can do the attack. So I think it was kind of funny. There was a whole mode that they clearly programmed in where you can freeze Bongo Bongo's hands. Bongo Bongo reacts, tries to smack the ice.

David Geisler:

And while you do that, you can attack the eye.

Kady Roberts:

That's the thing I like about Zelda games is the programmers and like the game designers, they do the thing that's very clear, but then they like to throw in a lot of little secret things that are all fully programmed out just in case you're creative enough. Yeah. I love it.

David Geisler:

Yeah. One of my honorable mentions speaks to the goma battle in the Deku tree. I'll leave that as a little hint, but there's like five different ways to defeat Goma, which is really fun.

Kady Roberts:

Man. My number three, I've also talked about on here before. Bongo Bongo? Unfortunately, no. I do like Bongo Bongo.

Kady Roberts:

But I am talking about the flux constructs.

David Geisler:

Oh sure,

Kady Roberts:

yeah. You fought them a completely different way than I did. And that's the beauty of Tears of the Kingdom. Yeah. But I like them.

Kady Roberts:

I think they're funny because, you know, they're like big Lego dudes that you just pull out the middle of and then they collapse. You give it a couple hits. It throws stuff at you. You reverse it with stasis while we are on it. Was fun.

David Geisler:

Can just

Kady Roberts:

keep

Kady Roberts:

throwing

Kady Roberts:

stuff back at it.

David Geisler:

It's so fun. Can just

Kady Roberts:

keep throwing stuff back at it. Yeah, I like the flux construct battles.

David Geisler:

The silly part? Yeah. Because there's an additional silly part to the flux constructs.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, do you have more?

David Geisler:

I have a little bit more. I don't even have this in my notes. Just kinda know about them a little bit. You can technically bring the chickens to a flex capacitor, a flex construct and throw a chicken down and when they smack, it'll summon chickens to attack the flex construct.

Kady Roberts:

See, I love that.

David Geisler:

I

Kady Roberts:

love that so much. The flux constructs were like the only creature in the game that like I would whenever I would see one, I would go and fight it. I thought they were fun.

David Geisler:

I did not think they were fun and I've never defeated one yet. Even though I fought them and we talked about this, I think maybe I was doing it wrong or whatever. I was always kind of like, okay, a bunch of blocks. All right. Reminds me of Gunstar Heroes.

David Geisler:

I'm out. Which is weird. I didn't expect to have that reaction. But for you, whenever you find them, you go seek them out for what reason?

Kady Roberts:

I think they're funny and also their cores make really good fusion material.

David Geisler:

Oh, wow. Yeah. And so like a lot of wait, when you say fusion material, are you talking about

Kady Roberts:

Well, yeah. Like you need you know when so when you you defeat one, they give you some zonite parts, but they drop like their core. And depending on what level of one that you defeat, it looks different and it's like stronger and you can fuse that to a weapon and it makes your weapon really strong. Oh,

David Geisler:

wow. That's what you mean. Oh, It

Kady Roberts:

gets really high fusion quality.

David Geisler:

I didn't think about that at all. I don't fuse much to my weapons. I don't fuse much to my shields and I really need to be doing that more in Tears of Kingdom. There's a whole like, you can like really

Kady Roberts:

You can do some crazy stuff.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's fun. Oh, that's awesome.

David Geisler:

I like

Kady Roberts:

flex constructs.

David Geisler:

Excellent. So that was your number three? Yeah. My number two is one that I did find organically, but I also found it online when I was doing a little bit of research. But I organically did throw bananas down when I was fighting Monk Mach Koshiya at the end of Breath of the Wild.

Kady Roberts:

Oh.

David Geisler:

Oh, Schrodinger. Hey, Schrodinger. Can we calm down please? He is amped to the max.

Kady Roberts:

He is spazzing.

David Geisler:

Schrodinger, over here. Or not. See you later. He is showing off. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

Kady Roberts:

No, you're interrupting yourself.

David Geisler:

Well, so Monkma Koshiya is the character that's at the end of every single shrine in Breath of the Wild doing all the different poses. Yeah. And I think I'm actually starting to realize I don't think you've played the DLC for Breath of the Wild. I think we've talked about I

Kady Roberts:

was wondering. I was like, are you talking about Master Koha?

David Geisler:

Nope. No. We need to get you playing the debate about whether DLC is a good thing or bad thing for video games aside, we need you to get to play we I need you to play the rest of the DLC for Breath of Wild because there's some really fun things to be had there. Yeah. There's that there's the one hit obliterator that we've talked about on air now.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, yes.

David Geisler:

And a few other things. There's a couple extra shrines. There's even a pseudo mini temple in Breath of the Wild. There's, of course, the master cycle, which is fun to just ride around with. So we we got to figure out a way to get it to you.

David Geisler:

But there's actually a final boss battle and it's the monk that you see at the end of every shrine and he or it fights you. And it's a pretty intense fight. It's actually arguably maybe the hardest in the game, maybe even harder than Ganon or Calamity Ganon. The monk utilizes different attack patterns from a lot of the different calamities, uses attack patterns from the Sheikah, uses attack patterns from even like some of the the what's master Koga's?

Kady Roberts:

Oh. Oh my goodness. Yiga. The Yiga clan.

David Geisler:

So one of the things that Monk Mas Koshiya has that's similar to the Yiga is its love, is his love for bananas.

Kady Roberts:

No kidding.

David Geisler:

This is a true story. I 100% threw a pair of bananas down while I was fighting this guy. And you know, this thing's attacking left, hard, hard and center. It's like it's like it's like, I don't know, it's the Jackie Chan of all fights in Breath of the Wild. And just on a whim, I threw bananas down and Monk Monk Koshiya got so excited, ran towards them, started eating them, and I was able to distract him with these bananas and and also then attack.

David Geisler:

And so even though this thing is like the final level, even though it's technically Sheikah, there's I think it speaks to the Sheikah and Yiga connections a little bit. But if you throw some bananas down, Monk Monkashia will will will stop all motivation for fighting you. Also, should point out that in the DLC or at the end, it's not like the monk is like upset with you. It's not like Monk Mukashiya becomes a bad guy. It's more like I shall test you now.

David Geisler:

Yeah. You know what I mean? And when you finish the final test, then you get, you know, the bike and all those other things.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I remember.

David Geisler:

So use your mighty bananas.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I remember playing Age of Calamity and, you know, you start off with like, you got Zelda, you got all these all these little characters that you've met along the way and you're like, Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, sorry, I'm Misa, whatever. And then you were like, Oh, I got the fairies. I got the fairy fountain.

Kady Roberts:

That's weird. And then keeps going and you're like, Oh, I got these people. But then you get that

David Geisler:

The monk boss because she The monk.

Kady Roberts:

And I remember the monk was the one where I was like, okay, hold on.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Like, we're going too far.

Kady Roberts:

I was like, what are we doing here? What is that?

David Geisler:

What is that? I haven't even gotten that far in Age of Calamity yet.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. The amount of characters you can play in that game is insane. And I mainly just play Link.

David Geisler:

We're not a new show, but how do you feel about the Imprisoning Wars release?

Kady Roberts:

I'm kind of excited for it. Sure. I know a lot of people aren't a fan, but I like it because this one's going to be canonical.

David Geisler:

As is. Well, well,

Kady Roberts:

it's calamity is like an alternate universe.

David Geisler:

I know that was I was that was the most disappointing thing about exactly.

Kady Roberts:

So I'm excited to like play with Zelda and also because I really liked Sonya, I think was her name. Yeah, I really like her and I'm excited to see more of her.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Sure. I'm I'm in for it. I'm in for it. I think we know what Hyrule's Warriors games are these days and we know what we're getting.

David Geisler:

And yeah, I agree. Yeah. Cool. What might be your number two?

Kady Roberts:

My number two is also from Tears of the Kingdom again.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. Well, mine's from Bethelow. Oh, oh, oh, oh, constructs. Yeah. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. It is kind of all of the master Koga fights in the depths.

David Geisler:

Okay. I mean, they're definitely silly. Koga's just max silly in the fight.

Kady Roberts:

I know. I love Koga a lot, but his fights are so silly because what really suspended it for me was watching someone on TikTok recently fight him because, you know, he has his big machines that he drives around. And as you keep going, like more and more Yiga show up with him with like their big cars. And you can, you know, use stasis or whatever. Take it out from under him.

Kady Roberts:

You can throw stuff at him. You can steal his car and hit him with it.

David Geisler:

Yep.

Kady Roberts:

It's just the more comical and disgraceful you get with it, the better it is.

David Geisler:

I remember the boat one was a highlight for me.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, you can really just like stomp on his pride. I really like that fight. I think it's very funny.

David Geisler:

Yeah, yeah. There's that kind of like larger meta story, not meta story, but there's that larger story about like how the Yigas that they're not even on the mainland anymore, but they've taken to the depths and they're building all their little troops and it's a little scary. But at the end of the day, it's like.

Kady Roberts:

There's still the Yiga. There's still the Lightning Master Koga. If one of the dudes with like the big swords that does like hurricanes or whatever, the tornadoes, if they were leading the Yiga, they would have taken over Hyrule already. I'm just saying But they got Koga and I get it. I get their loyalty.

Kady Roberts:

The dude's charismatic. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. But I don't know.

David Geisler:

Well, sometimes silly charismatic characters somehow lead for one reason or another.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. That's just how things go.

David Geisler:

Sometimes. Let's see. Okay. So then I think oh, let's do our honorable mentions. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. I have I have two. You have what? Two as well? Yeah.

David Geisler:

As well. A quick one that I would like to do is that the in Link's Awakening, I never knew this. I found this in as in my research, so I've never actually executed it either. I'll be transparent about that. Apparently, when you're as you're fighting all the different shadow characters inside the egg at the end of Link's Awakening and you get the, like, basically the shadow Aghanim character Yeah.

David Geisler:

Which doesn't show up in the game, but because original Link's Awakening came out in the real world after A Link to the Past, there's the kind of like shadowy Egonim character. Apparently, all you got to do is take out your shovel and shovel Egonim, and it's all it's like a one hit, you know, take out, apparently. So that's like a really, really silly way to take out a version of a master boss during the final battle in Link's Awakening.

Kady Roberts:

Is there like any lore significance behind that?

David Geisler:

I can't imagine there is. Don't know. You're shovelling up. Maybe maybe the joke is Aegonim is defeated in the Link's Awakening or Link to the Past. And so now in Link's Awakening, are you shoveling up its spirit or something?

David Geisler:

I think it's probably just a goofy thing.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. Yeah. I just I need to play Link to the Past still, so I wasn't sure. But Oh, that's right. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

That's okay. That'll be

David Geisler:

another one. We'll get there.

Kady Roberts:

One of my honorable mentions is also very short because there's no real reason behind why I picked it, is why it's an honorable mention.

David Geisler:

I love it.

Kady Roberts:

And again, it's, towards the end of Skyward Sword when you fight Gyraham. Yes. Because he is very sassy and he's very sleigh. And I thought it was very funny fighting him.

David Geisler:

I think I love this. Yeah. I mean, also intimidating. But yeah,

Kady Roberts:

I I Okay. I was not intimidated at all by him because look, that's just that's just like a little guy.

David Geisler:

I'm super comfortable going there. Let's do it.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I was playing like quite literally whenever he would show up. I when I was playing through Skyward. Yeah. Is this?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, it is Skyward. I. I would play music sometimes in the background, just like

David Geisler:

your own music.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, like my own music. Whenever he would show up, I actually started making dedicated to him because it was all Vogue music. I love it. It's like Vogue music and like drag queen music.

David Geisler:

I love it.

Kady Roberts:

Because, you know, that was the vibe. So whenever I was fighting him, I just had like the Vogue and like Trixie Mattel playing in the background and it was great.

David Geisler:

It was a good time. This honorable mention might speak more to your personal experience. Well, Of course, know. I'm not. I get it.

David Geisler:

That's that's

Kady Roberts:

why it's an honorable mention for me.

David Geisler:

Yeah, I love it. I love it. That's wonderful. I remember the gear him. You know, it's a couple times in the game, by the fine by the final time when you're on the when he turns kinda into the black, you know, phi looking kind of analog, I was a little intimidated by that.

David Geisler:

I remember thinking he was a little scary.

Kady Roberts:

That's yeah.

David Geisler:

Fair enough.

Kady Roberts:

I didn't know. I thought he was funny.

David Geisler:

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Another honorable mention I have is this one's definitely an honorable mention.

David Geisler:

It speaks to all the different ways to defeat Goma in the original Ocarina of Time. How do you usually defeat Goma in Ocarina of Time? Usually, when you play it. When we played

Kady Roberts:

it the Goma is the

David Geisler:

Goma is the spider character

Kady Roberts:

at

David Geisler:

the end of Deku Tree.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I The big green eye? Yeah. Wasn't don't you have the arrows at that point?

David Geisler:

Well, you're a little kid so you

Kady Roberts:

have Or you use slingshot? Yeah. I just use the slingshot, I think.

David Geisler:

In what way? I'm not trying to test you.

Kady Roberts:

Just I think I just used the slingshot to hit the eye Mhmm. And just knock it down.

David Geisler:

Would you ever do it while Goma was on the ceiling?

Kady Roberts:

I don't know if I did.

David Geisler:

Yeah. So my way to fight Goma over the years, I don't know. Just have always done it this way. You know, hit, you wait for Goma to climb up onto the ceiling. She, it looks down at you and you slingshot a Deku seed into its eye and then it falls and you go to town.

David Geisler:

You hack slash. There's also other ways to fight it on the floor. And the the way I've always fought Goma, I don't even ever get the little side date the little side Gomas that come out. There's like, if you if you go through different cycles of the boss fight, there's the little ones that run around and

Kady Roberts:

chase you. I I remember.

David Geisler:

So here's the thing. I've been I've recently, I've been watching Steven's, you know, Stebbs on YouTube, his first time ever playing Ocarina of Time. And in his first video, he gets up to Goma or maybe it's in his second video. But anyways, it doesn't really matter. And when he got to Goma, Goma never even made it to the ceiling.

David Geisler:

He really didn't even use his slingshot. He was just Deku nutting, bombing this thing. He was just running up to Goma and throwing Deku nuts on the floor and it was stunning Goma and he was going in with his sword. And I was like, what? What?

David Geisler:

All you got to do is stun Goma with throwing

Kady Roberts:

season lock.

David Geisler:

It was just run around the ground going pop, pop, and then swords, swords. The thing that was so cool about this experience is that Steven had no context as to other ways to fight. And it really reminded me of like how much some of these bosses, even in the early days, there was so many different channels and so many different how well they were designed. Yeah. Sometimes when when Zelda bosses are at their worst, the criticism can be like, well, it's I don't know.

David Geisler:

I guess it goes both ways. But like a Zelda boss is really a puzzle. You just got to figure out how to do step one and then step two and step three and then you defeat the boss. I do love that Zelda bosses are puzzles, but at the same time, when they are puzzles in which that you can solve a couple different ways, that's when they're at their best. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

And I guess I've learned through my experience of watching Steven play Ocarina of Time based on our the Ocarina for the first time episode. Goma in Ocarina of Time was one of those where you could you could defeat it in so many different ways. And so it's an honorable mention because using the Deku nut, which I've since learned, is tremendously impactful and strong. I actually use it all the time when I play Ocarina.

Kady Roberts:

Never used it.

David Geisler:

Use it. It's amazing. It stuns everything. It's better than the boomerang. Yeah.

David Geisler:

It's amazing. When I did my review episode of Ocarina with with Kate, I don't know, six, seven years ago, I made a joke. I was like, Why are they? Why do they even exist? I never use the Deku nuts.

David Geisler:

They're just they're just they're just junk that fills up a button. And we got a little bit of listener feedback talking about how actually they're really strong and all the rest, but they stun enemies. They stun just about every single enemy that exists. They're amazing. So you can throw that Deku nut down and you go in for the sword.

David Geisler:

And that's exactly what Steven natively did when he was playing. So I just wanted to have that be one of my honorable mentions.

Kady Roberts:

Man.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Don't underestimate the power of the Deku nut.

Kady Roberts:

No kidding.

David Geisler:

I've been converted. I've learned.

Kady Roberts:

My last honorable mention is I wanted to put it on my list, but I was trying to do research to make sure like I had the right Ganon and like all this different kind of stuff and I couldn't find anything I think they patched it out.

David Geisler:

So what are we doing?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. So this is an honorable mention because I think they patched it so it doesn't exist anymore. But in again, tears of the kingdom, in tears of the kingdom, you can go against the different blight ganons. Is this tears? No, is in breath.

Kady Roberts:

This isn't breath and breath. You can go against the different lights. And I believe in the fire blight Ganon. He has that mode where he like sucks everything in and he shoots out a big fireball and it's really hard to dodge and it's like a tough fight. I before I even went in, I was following, I think at the time, like an IGN walkthrough and they're like, Hey, if you're having trouble, here's a little tip.

David Geisler:

These days, no doubt you'd be using the Zelda dungeon walk through.

Kady Roberts:

No, I To be honest, yeah, I'm joking. It's like they said, if you just like get as close as possible until like the model of the Blight Ganon, he will do his move and he can't hit you.

David Geisler:

A little bit like the Lizalfos. Kind of. Yeah. You know, you can get inside their spectrum and they can't actually see you can actually stand under Lizalfos in Breath of the Wild and they won't even see you and you can. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Because like now I was looking and they're like, Oh yeah, if you stand under, it's hard for him to hit you. But that I remember I just as soon as the fight started, I ran up right to him and I didn't get hit the entire fight. I quickly hit him a couple of times when I saw it, killed him and I went about my day. Yeah, was dying laughing.

David Geisler:

It's one of those things where there's a probably a tiny little proximity if you get right underneath because because the fire blight flies around a little bit, I think. Think it may be confusing

Kady Roberts:

that way. He does and like the the second half. But I think because of the way I was able to kind of glitch it, he didn't even make it to his second phase. I was able to just kill him in his first.

David Geisler:

Are you serious?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, it was insane. That's why I like Because you feel

David Geisler:

like that second phase would trigger at least at half life.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I that's the thing. I can't remember exactly how I did it. Yeah. I just know that I did it and I tried looking it up online and I can't find it anywhere online now.

Kady Roberts:

So I'm assuming they patched it, which they should because it's broken.

David Geisler:

There were a number of patches that came out for Breath of the Wild. It's true.

Kady Roberts:

But yeah. So that's Wow. Honorable mention.

David Geisler:

Honorable mention. Yeah. Get get on up underneath Fireblight Ganon.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. He'll miss you completely.

David Geisler:

Katie. Yeah. My number one, I'm kinda proud of.

Kady Roberts:

Uh-huh.

David Geisler:

It's for a game that I've I've I've played the least and I think you have not played it at all. Oh, obviously, we just established this about ten minutes ago. In A Link to the Past. Now I want to be very clear about this. This is not something I found on my own.

David Geisler:

This is something I found through my research for this episode. Mhmm. And I think this one also might have been from Zeltic. Zeltic is a phenomenal YouTuber out there. You know, all the Zeltic the whole Zeltic community, creator community, we all consider each other friends, high roll gamer, all the things we we all really love each other.

David Geisler:

But I was checking this out and I got to some weird video that Zeltic made about, like, three crazy ways to fight bosses. And so I watched it and what I learned was that in A Link to the Past, when you are fighting Mathula, which is the the big well, I guess I guess the I'm saying it as if you know, but you know, there's this like big like moth character that you fight that I remember fighting when we did a review episode. And it's a it's a bonkers bad. It's a bonkers boss fight because you fall into a pit into a basically like three sixty treadmill that starts moving in all directions. But the edge of the level is all spikes.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, so

David Geisler:

you can't even touch the sides. All the while the moth is like flying around and you've got to try to hit it. The thing is that while you're playing it, you've just recently gotten the fire rod. And so kind of like use fire and you try to burn them off. That makes sense from a physical point of view.

David Geisler:

And there it is. But what another thing you can do, Mathula is the only boss in the game that can be hurt by bees.

Kady Roberts:

That makes sense too, though.

David Geisler:

The title of our episode is Silliest Ways to Attack Bosses. Uh-huh. Bees exist in A Link to the Past. They have always been annoying to me. You bump into a tree or you open a pot and they just kind of fly around.

David Geisler:

And if they touch you, they sting you. You lose a quarter of a heart, a half a heart. It doesn't. You can kind of hit them with your sword, but they are just like a nuisance in this game. I don't even know if bees show up in too many other games in this way.

David Geisler:

But what I've learned is you can take your your bug net because you have bug catcher net net game as you kind of do and get in Cyrus Skyward Sword and stuff. And you can catch the bees and it'll automatically bottle them up into one of

Kady Roberts:

your This is Animal Crossing.

David Geisler:

Well, it's funny because this precedes Animal Crossing by like ten years. Yeah. And so you can catch catch the bees, put them in a jar, and then you can, in typical Zelda fashion, execute whatever's in the jar and then the bee will fly around and attack whatever it needs to attack. The thing is, if you find yourself in the ice cave and you go to the Fairy Fountain in the ice cave and you use your Pegasus boots to run and attack the Fairy Fountain statue, a golden bee comes out of the fairy. Like, I have never done this.

David Geisler:

This is all Zelsat. A golden bee, which is is is is obviously yellow and it has like a complex of sparkles, comes out of the statue. You net that thing up, put it in your bottle. Then it is the Mithoola is the only boss that can be affected by bees. So you go start you go through the whole Dungeon and you get to Mithoola.

David Geisler:

And what happens here is you can release the bee and the bee starts attacking Mathula while you're running around. Okay, fine. And that's cool. Attack, attack, attack. But in the golden bee attacks longer than any normal bee.

David Geisler:

I don't even know if it's two, three, four, five times longer, but it's not quite enough to actually defeat Mathula. So what I what I and thousands of others have probably witnessed on YouTube is Zeltic genuinely trying to get through the whole thing. What he ended up doing was he would send out the golden bee. It would start attacking with Thula. He'd be running around trying to dodge the spikes, dodge all the things.

David Geisler:

But to reset the bee, you have to recapture it with

Kady Roberts:

your back.

David Geisler:

Put it back in the glass bottle and re execute the glass bottle. So he was doing this over and over again, letting the bee go out, attack like a strong, powerful bee, grab it again, glass bottle it, Terry, and and eventually defeated Mythula without using any sword or anything. Only having a single golden bee attack Mathula. And I felt like when I found that piece of information, even though I've never personally experienced it, I was like, I think that needs to be my number one on silly ways to defeat a boss in a Zelda game.

Kady Roberts:

Mine's going be so disappointing.

David Geisler:

There's a couple other honorable mentions. There's simple like everybody kind of knows about the like, okay, fishing rod on Ganondorf and Twilight Princess. You can use the net. You can use the bug net to battle things back at Ganond Dwarf and link to the like. There's all these like little weird things like use the one item you never thought of.

David Geisler:

Use the glass bottle and it'll deflect an enemy back. There's those things are all over the place. But I thought this was just downright silly.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. So my number one

David Geisler:

is

Kady Roberts:

kind of anticlimactic after that. How far have you gotten in Echoes of Wisdom?

David Geisler:

I think I'm I feel like I'm kind of in the third phase. So I did the first two or three dungeons and then like a story event happened, the cancel event. And now I've gone out and I've done one or two or three other dungeons. And I'm kind of physically where I am right now. I'm kind of exploring the northern part of the map.

David Geisler:

I'm trying to get up into the snowy areas and all that kind of stuff.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. It's even funnier come the final fight, but I'm not gonna spoil that for you because it does not need to be spoiled for you.

David Geisler:

Okay. I'm okay if it is, if it's if it's better for the episode. Unless it's like something real weird. But I mean, I like it's it's echoes of wisdom. I think I pretty much know what's

Kady Roberts:

going on. Okay. I will say it then. So you can do this in any fight, but I think it's much funnier with the final Ganon fight because the final Ganon fight, Link teams up with you to fight Ganon. You find Link, he teams up with you.

David Geisler:

Wow. I could never have guessed.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. You don't control Link. Link does his own thing, but also because Link's doing his own thing.

David Geisler:

That's a fun play on the final beta from Wind Waker.

Kady Roberts:

Yes. All right. Because Link does his own thing, you can't turn into that Link form anymore, so you just have to rely on your shadows.

David Geisler:

Love

Kady Roberts:

it. So that's where the funny stuff comes in because Link is doing all this work and you can just throw a shadow out, throw a bed out and sleep. Oh.

David Geisler:

And Link's like,

Kady Roberts:

attack, attack, attack. Yeah.

David Geisler:

And you're just sleeping in You're like, mom's gonna get some hearts. Yeah. Get some hearts.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. You just throw out throw out a shadow or two, sleep in the corner while Link does all the hard work. And I think that's very funny.

David Geisler:

Is that was that something you found organically just by playing? You kind of just like we were goofing around or?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I was just goofing around because I'm going be so honest. The final battle to me was kind of like it was really cool because Link's fighting, but I was also a little anticlimactic because I was like, all right, I threw up my shadow, but now what? I'll just sit here and wait for my shadow to finish what it's doing, I guess.

David Geisler:

I adore Echoes of Wisdom. The one critique when it comes to combat is that sometimes it's like you send the stuff out and just sit and wait. Yeah. And so if the final battle was essentially attacking, not Ganondorf, but probably that other eyeball thing that comes If it if it is only combat, I could see that being a

Kady Roberts:

little lackluster. Specifically, when you're fighting Pagan and at the end.

David Geisler:

I see.

Kady Roberts:

Because, you know, everything is big, bad Ganon. And I thought it was very funny.

David Geisler:

But when when Echoes of Wisdom is at its best, which is often is when combat is a puzzle. Yeah. And what I'm hearing from you right now is that maybe at this point it is reduced down to basically kind of

Kady Roberts:

like Just what you have gathered at that point that whatever strongest just send it out.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is essentially just like normal combat.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Fair enough. But, yeah. No. That was my number one.

Kady Roberts:

I love I

David Geisler:

go to this So queue up the bed before the final battle. Got it. Put it in my my newest used items. Got it. Copy.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, it's, you know, it's it's up there with the with the tree for me in the box for me. And later on, you get a cloud that you can just go up in the air with. Yeah, that's great.

David Geisler:

I mean, those water those water cubes are like my most used.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, yeah.

David Geisler:

Everywhere. They can be a bridge. They can be a ladder. And I'm up to the thing where I can make like five of them now as you know. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Because you've already experienced. You can like really climb high because you can even actually go up to six because you can get up to the top and still jump another level up. Yeah. I've like climbed cliffs with those water blocks.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. No. When I got the cloud, I just kept going up until I hit like the like the invisible ceiling.

David Geisler:

I see.

Kady Roberts:

Just to see how high I could go.

David Geisler:

Well, I'm I'm thoroughly enjoying Echoes of Wisdom. I'm I'm actually kind of diving a little deeper back now into the fire dungeon and tears of the kingdom these days because it took me forever to get there. But now I'm there, I'm excited about it. With all that said, Katie, thank you so much for building this Yeah. Silly boss ways to fight bosses.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

For me, it was it was a little I thought I felt like this episode was going be a shoo in like, oh, there's a million ways. And I guess there are a lot of little ways. Yeah. I guess we found some of them tonight. I'd like to invite our audience.

David Geisler:

Oh, we had one. We had I never I didn't pull it up. We had a tweet about it. I want a gentleman or a presenting a male presenting tweet was said something about like going all the way to again in battle without using the sword and stuff like that. Maybe I'll reference that in a future listener feedback.

Kady Roberts:

I will say when I was playing Breath, there were people that as soon as they would leave, they want to get close or anything. Would pick up a stick and go straight to Ganon's castle and defeat Ganon with just a stick.

David Geisler:

Yeah, that is kind of like a not necessarily a speedrun thing, but it's kind of like a speedrun strategy. Yeah. How quickly can you actually go fight fight Ganon? Well, I don't have it up right now, but anyways, Katie, if people want to find you, where can they do that?

Kady Roberts:

You can find me at the letters KD Stargazer on Instagram and I believe also on TikTok now as well. So yeah, you can check me out there. I'm also sometimes on 955. I'm still

David Geisler:

there it

Kady Roberts:

is getting a actual schedule. It's kind of right now just whenever they will let me be on.

David Geisler:

I love it. That's great. Yeah. That's fine. That's fun.

David Geisler:

I'm David. I'm Raptor Paint on all the socials and that's that. You can find another Zelda podcast at our website anotherzeldapodcast.com and all the socials is another Zelda pod. All of them. Another Zelda pod on X, unfortunately, but I think even Blue Sky, I think we're another Zelda podcast, but we might be another Zelda pod there as well.

David Geisler:

But we're on all of them, and there it is. We we we got a little distracted because I almost decided I thought about not talking about it, but in the in the coming episodes, we're going to start posing quizzes at the end of our episodes. Mhmm. And we start putting those out on social and stuff like that, but I think that's gonna be a few episodes from now. But anyways, I'm not gonna talk about it.

David Geisler:

We'll do it. Maybe we come back from our mid season break, but I think that's gonna be a ton of fun. I was about to say, you can go to our socials and check out our quizzes, but not yet. Not yet. Wait a few episodes.

David Geisler:

Exciting, though. Alright. We have no idea what the next episode's gonna be, Katie. Maybe maybe maybe it'll be my LEGO episode with Hokey Breaks. I've been saying that all season long.

David Geisler:

It's just a matter of getting all the now that episode's gonna be more complicated than doing like one of these music episodes because we have to literally get the Legos in the studio. We're gonna literally build them a little bit while we're recording. Oh, it's about coordinating the YouTube videos, about making the videos, but that one's coming soon. And if that is not the next episode, it'll be you and I back with something. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Cool. Got it. Alright. Alright. Well, till then, I'll see you.

Kady Roberts:

See you.