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Stacey Flaster and Dori Goldman are two ladies obsessed with cults and true crime. Join them as they take us into the depths of some of the most notorious cults, crimes, and killers that the world has ever known. They consume content and ask deep dark questions that only a certified expert can answer... enter Dr. John Mayer. Dr. John is an internationally known Forensic Psychologist and expert on violent behavior and crime prevention, with 35 years of experience consulting to law enforcement and testifying in hundreds of court cases as an expert witness. He is the "Real Deal" and will help Stacey and Dori get to the bottom of of their curious criminal minds.
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Dori
In October 2020, a Texas state trooper pulled over a woman on the highway. She said she'd just given birth on the side of the road, but nothing about her story held up.
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Stacey
That woman was Taylor Parker. The baby wasn't hers. She'd faked a pregnancy for nearly ten months. And hours earlier, she'd killed 21 year old Raegan Simmons Hancock and cut the baby from her body.
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Dori
Netflix released a documentary on the case this year called Maternal Instinct, directed by Jessica Dimmock.
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Stacey
Parker had actually had a hysterectomy years earlier, so there was no way she could have been pregnant. Still, she convinced her boyfriend, Wade Griffin and most people around her for months.
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Dori
Parker had met Reagan while photographing Reagan's wedding.
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Dori
Parker was convicted of capital murder in 2022 and sentenced to death.
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Dori
She's still on death row today.
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Stacey
What ties this to our theme is the title itself. The people who doubted Parker weren't working of evidence at first, just a feeling that something was wrong.
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Dori
And on the other side, Reagan trusted the wrong person completely. So today we're talking through how this unfolded, who suspected something and why,
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Dori
and what it cost.
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Stacey
Let's get into it.
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Speaker 1
Outside my window. It's only raining.
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Speaker 1
When the wind blows in. I feel pain.
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Unknown
And I don't need no doctors.
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Speaker 1
Maybe I'm not sick. My body's been lined up. I've broken up cells in every.
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Speaker 1
May.
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Dori
This was it. Well, as Doctor Johnson has he said he said it over and over again. This was a.
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Dr. John Mayer
Dos.
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Stacey
This was one of the biggest doozies for me. I found it to be really psychotic and really sad and just tragic. And I, I just don't know what. And we'll find out from John what was going on and how she managed to keep herself acting confident and lying and just pulling this off.
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Dori
I so I was very triggered by this documentary, and I actually watched it twice, because I think you and I both Stacy watched it like a long time ago. Right. And then I guess I had to rewatch because I forgot, like everything.
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Stacey
I watched it a little bit again today. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Dori
So I, I did rewatch it, but I have to say I was triggered because remember we all talked about, last year about like things that have happened to us and how we've kind of been chased by things. And it reminds me of my former college roommate who took me for so much of my money. Obviously. I mean, hopefully this woman is not a killer, but I've always said, if people like that who are so intelligent like this Taylor woman, she's a smart person who used her talents for evil instead of good.
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Dori
If she use those talents for good, she could make such a huge impact on this world. If she's psychotic.
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Stacey
Yeah, I mean, she she believed herself. I mean, we're going to talk about all this, but, like, she told Wade, her boyfriend, whose mom didn't really had a kind of a bad vibe about him. They were like people who knew she had a hysterectomy and, like, her other friend group. So she kind of ditched that friend group and created this new sort of circle where she was still kind of connected with the outside, still familiar, but also people that didn't really know her past.
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Stacey
So that's when somebody, you know, when she was sort of stalking her other friend, the other name was Mackenzie, who was pregnant. She was trying to like, get in on the pregnancy and be too involved to the point where Mackenzie was like, I don't feel comfortable. So she dumped she dumped Taylor, and then Taylor turned her sights on Reagan that she planned to turn them on her after she photographed her wedding.
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Stacey
The pictures, by the way. No offense. They were not good. I mean, they were saying that she captured all this great stuff, but that's so sure that her technique was good. Dorie, did you have something to add?
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Dori
No. Like. Well, the the content tography aside, just like when you said that, when you said that the Taylor had to go far enough away to meet new people. That's like my former college roommate. Yes, he infiltrated a group of us. And then when we all were on to her, she started she started becoming a pool player so she can infiltrate.
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Dori
Also, it was first like, I think, like the people in her life and like the improv community or the earth or the acting community, and then it was like, wait, I need to, I need to be, shady to other people. So I'm going to join a pool league. So and again, I just have to bring this up because this is so her.
00:06:06:21 - 00:06:34:04
Dori
So I, I see Taylor for what she is and also to I do think because and this may be offensive and I'm trying not to be offensive to people, but these were simple people. And I think that Taylor knew that when she met that Wade at the rodeo, he is. And by the way, the animal stuff that was going on don't even get me started.
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Dori
As an animal lover. I really just.
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Dr. John Mayer
Love the stuff.
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Dori
That he was doing and keeping those dogs. Anyway, but I think she sensed that he's somebody I can do.
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Stacey
A little.
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Dori
Because it's also his personality is so even keeled. He's. I mean, what, like Wade doesn't seem like the biggest prize in the world, right? Just at personality, he was.
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Stacey
I wouldn't say he's.
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Dori
No offense, right? No, no, that's kind of the vibe I tell you. Thinking about that. It.
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Stacey
Absolutely. I mean, it's this goes back to, you know, Sam Bateman or all these people who find a group of people that are vulnerable, whether it's because they're simple minded or they're, you know, uneducated or or brainwashed or they're so young that you can brainwash them and then you are able to, like, infiltrate and manipulate that group of people.
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Stacey
Now, what started happening, which was surprising, was that people were popping up and saying, wait, wait, she doesn't look pregnant. She looks fine. She looks fabulous. Well, well. And there were all popping up all over the place. And and the hospital itself was, was, notified because they were worried about this woman getting a baby or, like, kidnaping a baby.
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Stacey
I don't think anyone thought what was going to happen happened, but that was, to me, all those red flags. But we all the old and that we they all just kind of watched the flag go.
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Dori
Why the money? The money. Taylor said. She had a whole bunch of money.
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Stacey
She said she had about $8 million.
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Dori
Yeah, like $8 million. But she was going to inherit.
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Stacey
It without her mom because she and her mom didn't get along. Meanwhile, her mom's over there going, I was waiting for your call.
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Dori
Right? It was all of this masterful tabulation. But I have to say, it really is true for the for this Wade, who was the boyfriend who was really into it. It sounded like a very beginning to the mother of Wade. I think there was. Oh, and then the friends of wait, I think there was always this hope that we're going to get some money and we're going to benefit off of this.
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Dori
And I believe that's why they turned a blind eye. Are they complicit? No, because Taylor was crazy. And killed a woman and took her baby out of her uterus and claimed it as her own. So she was psychotic. However, could it have been maybe stopped? I do think so. I think I mean way that it.
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Stacey
Yeah.
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Dori
The friend certainly was on the case that the, the the one of the friends, the blond woman who was the friend of theirs, who started doing all this investigation, she knew that this woman is not pregnant, but we just kept the mother, kept saying, I don't think she's pregnant, but wait, I don't really know. We don't know.
00:09:45:01 - 00:10:07:00
Stacey
Look, she don't look pregnant and we don't think she pregnant. We're going to sell these hogs. And I called the guy and he said, I never called you. I don't know which number you're talking about. We do not want hogs. So she sent Wade on the day she was going to give birth. She sent Wade 4.5 hours away to sell some hogs to people that never knew they were buying them because she called.
00:10:07:02 - 00:10:18:19
Stacey
So she set a fake thing up. Or she might not have even called, but she set something up that didn't actually come to fruition. And Wade was stuck. 4.5 hours week, could never get back to go to the hospital in time.
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Stacey
She was over.
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Dori
Ten months.
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Stacey
Pregnant. That was like a joke people said to me because I was so huge. Are you ten months pregnant? You know, first of all, if you're ten months pregnant, you're not walking around like in a normal condition. I can tell you this firsthand because I've been pregnant and when I was pregnant, just going to give you a short, short, short thing.
00:10:38:15 - 00:10:52:23
Stacey
I was about eight months pregnant. I was going to Carter's to pick some stuff out for the baby. And this is when I was pregnant with my son, and I was walking across the street, and I was huge, and I was sweating and I could barely walk. And a man opened his window and screamed, get out of the way!
00:10:53:04 - 00:10:56:07
Stacey
It's not my fault you got knocked up.
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Dr. John Mayer
Oh.
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Stacey
And I was like.
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Dori
That's bastard, walk faster!
00:11:00:06 - 00:11:19:04
Stacey
But the point is, is that at that stage in pregnancy, you cannot, you know, you think, oh, when I'm later in pregnancy, I'll do some nesting and I'll go shopping. You can do anything. Or maybe it was just me. So she did not seem at pregnant. And, you know, listen, think about it. That day they took her to the hospital.
00:11:19:06 - 00:11:42:24
Stacey
The people were already slightly suspicious, and I feel like I'm getting really good at. And I'm really proud of this, recognizing when I can tell somebody's lying. Yes, I had this baby. It's like, not connected. It's like this, like, sort of like superficial, like, of course this is my baby. Look who has a baby in their seat with an umbilical cord that's dead in a car, you know, I mean, it's like.
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Dori
I mean, there were so many red flags. It. Doesn't it remind you, though, again, like when you said about like. And I think she had texted that guy about the hogs to send the way the boyfriend away while she decided after ten months, that's the day I'm going to give birth. That's the day we're going to go, didn't it, though, give you remember the Hollywood Hustler?
00:12:06:18 - 00:12:40:12
Dori
We did the doc and we did the documentary of the guy, the Hollywood Hustler, and he had a million strings going, and they thought that the head of HBO and star Starbucks was was communicating with them. It's. Yeah, it's the same shit, different story. And catfishing the exactly catfishing and all of it. It really is, to me, remarkable about how talented these people are.
00:12:40:14 - 00:12:41:16
Stacey
So talented.
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Dori
If I, I wish I had the ability to be that organized, that I don't want to say conniving, but that we need to be like, okay, I'm going to send this to this person at this time. I've got this going on with the I mean, as you said, she had like 20 different things going on with 20 different people.
00:13:07:12 - 00:13:28:15
Dori
How do you keep track of all that? Just like the Hollywood hustler. I gotta give credit where credit is due. As crazy and terrible as these people are major ups on your conniving game, you're good at it. I wish you could do it. Yeah, yeah. Good.
00:13:28:18 - 00:13:51:23
Stacey
You know, it's like, what's his name? And catch me if you can. Like the Leonardo DiCaprio part of what's his name, where, you know, it's forging checks, but then he uses that for good because he uses it to help the CIA and the FBI or whatever, you know, that. Like, how do we transfer that? But she, to me, seemed so gone, like, really, really, like disconnected.
00:13:51:23 - 00:14:14:22
Dori
And if you know what, you know, what's sad too, is that, well, one, she had kids or she has kids. She's like, yes. What are you telling me? Yeah. Two kid, three kids to get two kids. Two kids and one and one fake kid, right? And one fake and 27 years old. And the woman that she killed to bring to, cut that baby out.
00:14:14:22 - 00:14:23:17
Dori
Who died? The baby died and the woman died. Oh, that woman was 21 and had a daughter already. And another like.
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Stacey
That.
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Dori
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Stacey
it's.
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Dori
Sad, but it's also kind of amazing the that this 2627 year old did this well also I guess kind of being a mom to the other kids. Yeah.
00:14:39:20 - 00:14:55:06
Stacey
I don't know what her mom like her parenting was on a regular basis. It sounded like they were with weight. She and weighed when she moved in. Like even when she moved in. By the way, the mom was like, it seemed a little too soon for them to be cohabitating.
00:14:55:08 - 00:14:56:19
Dori
But that's on. Wait.
00:14:56:20 - 00:15:02:10
Stacey
I that's on weight. She weighed. Just let it happen. And he never said he was in love with her. He said he cared about her.
00:15:02:16 - 00:15:10:12
Dori
Right. But I think that those types of guys, she knew this is the stuff that I think it is a good time maybe to bring.
00:15:10:14 - 00:15:10:19
Stacey
In the.
00:15:10:19 - 00:15:39:10
Dori
Doctors. Yeah. Because I think he can give us some idea about, like, Wade's perspective versus Taylor. And again, it is the manipulation and how somebody sees all the red flags but is like, no, she even though she never allowed him to ever see her naked, they never had sex. Drive for four months right during the time she was supposedly pregnant.
00:15:39:14 - 00:15:50:09
Dori
Never saw her. He couldn't go to any of the doctor's appointments. No. Very curious if the green room is going to open and Doctor John is going to come out with a lot before he comes out.
00:15:50:09 - 00:16:05:13
Stacey
Before he comes out. The other thing I want him to comment on, which is piggybacking on what you're saying, is this thing about this fake bomb threat that she called in to the hospital and then told Wade about, you know what I mean? Which also contributed to, like, slowing it down and throwing people off. Right?
00:16:05:15 - 00:16:10:02
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:16:10:04 - 00:16:12:19
Stacey
John? John, John.
00:16:12:21 - 00:16:45:18
Dr. John Mayer
I don't know. I don't know if I'm ready. I don't know if I'm ready, but. Okay. Oh, okay. I have to, you know, have to prepare for these things. So, Wow. As usual, team, you, so many good things you brought up in your discussion. If you want me to start with, Wade and Wade's perspective, you know, on on the whole thing, I think what you were both getting at and I absolutely agree on was Wade was pretty simple guy, right?
00:16:45:18 - 00:17:16:12
Dr. John Mayer
I mean, and if you look at Wade in comparison to Taylor, you know, he's sitting there going, well, you know, this is about the best I can do. You know, and she's lively. You know, the documentarians made a great point of saying with her friends and everything before any of this happened, how she was the light of the room, and she was a party girl and made everybody feel happy, etc..
00:17:16:12 - 00:17:40:06
Dr. John Mayer
So, so on Wade's perspective. You know, he's he's got a catch in here. He's the pretty simple guy. And and it almost seemed like he didn't have that much of a libido in the first place. You know, it's like it, it's like okay, she's he's here. Okay. It seems okay. You know? Yeah. If we have sex, we have sex.
00:17:40:06 - 00:17:46:14
Dr. John Mayer
You know, it's just seemed like a guy that really didn't have a lot of energy or motivation because he.
00:17:46:14 - 00:17:50:18
Dori
Was so early in the morning taking care of all those hogs, all.
00:17:50:18 - 00:18:15:04
Dr. John Mayer
The animals. Yeah, exactly. You know, Yeah. Really sad figure. Wade, to me is, a really sad figure in this whole saga. You know? Is it true? That's my comments on the whole thing. You know, I always like to, comment on the documentary. And here again, we have a very good you both pick such and such great material for good documentary.
00:18:15:04 - 00:18:42:00
Dr. John Mayer
But again, it leaves room for our analysis. On hard candy here. It's, so I wanted more. We never heard from Taylor's parents. I mean, you know, they weren't even. They were mentioned in the documentary, but I would love to have seen what these people were like. And, what created this, evil, psychotic monster that, Taylor Parker is.
00:18:42:02 - 00:19:05:03
Dr. John Mayer
And I agree with both of you that this was hard. This was a hard documentary to watch. It was just so sick and so evil. And I deal with this stuff all the time. And by the way, there was a case like this in Chicago that I was called on, where a woman cut the baby out of, another woman's, you know, pregnant woman.
00:19:05:05 - 00:19:26:05
Dr. John Mayer
Thank God that baby survived. I believe the the victim survived as well. As I recall, this was some years ago. But I was called on that case. So this is us. You know, a one off that this isn't happened in our world. So which is. Which is very sad.
00:19:26:07 - 00:19:37:06
Stacey
What is your brain? Where is her? Where does your brain go when you get to the point where you can actually cut somebody's skin open, like that while they're talking to you?
00:19:37:06 - 00:20:04:18
Dr. John Mayer
Or if you recall in the documentary, the key to the answer to that question, Stacey, in the documentary, when the police were interrogating her in her psychotic, delusional state, here's what she thought. And I want to really bring this out because it wasn't brought out in the documentary, if you recall, she said, well, she kept screaming, take this baby, take this baby now.
00:20:04:20 - 00:20:21:22
Dr. John Mayer
So, Taylor Parker got in her mind that I was actually doing something that Reagan requested to take this baby. She convinced herself, and it's both of you. It's. It's psychotic. It's crazy.
00:20:21:24 - 00:20:30:23
Dori
Well, it's also what Taylor is saying that she said that Reagan said, take the baby. Take the baby. For all we know, Taylor is even making that part up.
00:20:30:23 - 00:20:32:16
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah, it's a vision.
00:20:32:16 - 00:20:33:19
Dori
The baby. Yeah.
00:20:33:21 - 00:20:58:17
Dr. John Mayer
That's a delusion, you know? And but what I'm saying is that's what was going through her mind as she was doing. Absolutely delusional. Psychotic. But I that gave her almost permission to do what she, she was doing. And then the whole ownership of the baby and that whole thing was just also part of that delusion. But Taylor had a long history of.
00:20:58:17 - 00:21:36:08
Dr. John Mayer
And drumroll, this is going to be one of the big reveals of our podcast. There's a condition called the factitious disorder imposed upon the self, or what we in the medical field have now called Munchausen syndrome. We've all heard that term Munchausen syndrome. A lot of times we talk we've talked about another of our episodes. We talked about Munchausen by proxy, where you know that, you know, that mom was taking the child always in for medical thing, you know, medical treatments.
00:21:36:10 - 00:21:53:21
Dr. John Mayer
But that's different from Munchausen syndrome on the self. And, and Taylor had a long history, as you recall, for friends and everyone saying, you know, she was always going in for these things and then posting it on, tick tock or whatever the hell it was, you know,
00:21:53:23 - 00:21:56:17
Dori
A lot of Facebook. This was in 20.
00:21:56:19 - 00:21:57:02
Dr. John Mayer
Okay.
00:21:57:02 - 00:21:59:13
Dori
Facebook before. Yeah, a lot of Facebook.
00:21:59:13 - 00:22:06:16
Dr. John Mayer
They fake whatever it is. Audience know that I'm not on any social media for a very specific purpose.
00:22:06:22 - 00:22:10:01
Dori
Whatever the kids call Facebook.
00:22:10:03 - 00:22:11:02
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah. All right.
00:22:11:04 - 00:22:14:05
Stacey
Raver the kids, by the way, the kids.
00:22:14:08 - 00:22:14:16
Dr. John Mayer
Go.
00:22:14:16 - 00:22:15:12
Stacey
To Facebook.
00:22:15:12 - 00:22:17:07
Dr. John Mayer
You know, they don't they laugh.
00:22:17:10 - 00:22:30:19
Stacey
They I mean, they did. I mean, they did. But then this generation of kids, Gen Gen Z and then beyond Alpha, they they're just Instagram. Yeah, they're the gram and they're the TikTok.
00:22:30:21 - 00:23:03:00
Dr. John Mayer
So what is once what is Munchausen about? It's it's about, creating fake illnesses and getting attention for it. And, and, you know, it's it's part of the psychosis that Taylor Parker and other people who do this, express the interesting. But the term was coined in the early 50s by, a physician who was seeing patients who would come in, and he would he would say that, you know, there's nothing wrong with you.
00:23:03:00 - 00:23:18:04
Dr. John Mayer
Go home. Oh, that doesn't happen in modern middle medical care, because, you know, anybody who comes in, we just give them a pill and go away. You know, we don't get behind, you know, if it's really something that's serious in that little editorial there.
00:23:18:06 - 00:23:22:15
Stacey
But this is Baron Munchausen that. Remember, Baron Munchausen.
00:23:22:17 - 00:23:25:11
Dr. John Mayer
It's that's how they coined the term Baron Munchausen.
00:23:25:17 - 00:23:29:02
Stacey
Who is Baron Munchausen again, if you want to look at.
00:23:29:04 - 00:23:49:21
Dr. John Mayer
Well, yes. And I think it was also a play. Both of you. It's it's a 18th century German baron that would have these, incredible feasts and big parties and brag about his accomplishments and and his victories and war and battle, and most of it was made up.
00:23:49:23 - 00:23:50:14
Stacey
Yeah.
00:23:50:16 - 00:23:58:10
Dr. John Mayer
So that's why this physician in the 50s named the syndrome after Baron von von Munchausen.
00:23:58:12 - 00:24:00:13
Dori
Von Goldmann has a question.
00:24:00:15 - 00:24:01:16
Dr. John Mayer
Yes.
00:24:01:18 - 00:24:04:10
Dori
Yes. Von gold. You're so. Say yes. Von Goldmann.
00:24:04:14 - 00:24:06:17
Dr. John Mayer
Yes. Von Goldman. Okay.
00:24:06:19 - 00:24:32:13
Dori
So, I did like the fact that they had the, the footage of Taylor in the hospital room. That. So that was good footage of seeing her. So. Yeah, my my question is, she was so defiant and obviously, like, you know, I and I maybe this is the question. Was she in a delusion. Like she was so defiant about what's the big deal.
00:24:32:13 - 00:24:51:00
Dori
What did I do. This is my baby. Do you feel as a as a doctor, do you feel that she was putting that on for them or that she really, truly, truly believed that that was her baby?
00:24:51:02 - 00:25:20:12
Dr. John Mayer
I think, great question, because I studied that while I was watching. The documentary was one of the key elements to study. I believe she she was faking that she's caught. And unlike we see in a lot of criminals, they just spontaneously in their mind will create, you know, this this rationalization or this diversion to the police. Like, no, I couldn't do it or, you know, etc. just like when she was in the car when the cop stepped in the car.
00:25:20:12 - 00:25:40:05
Dr. John Mayer
Oh, vigorously. She was, you know, might be right to say I'm a baby. I got to get to the hospital. I really felt that was just totally fake. She was just acting through all of that, wasn't. It wasn't part of her psychosis. It was just, you know, she's caught. I think she thought, like the cop who was following.
00:25:40:05 - 00:26:02:05
Dr. John Mayer
Right. Think the audience needs to know is sheriff's police was following her because she was driving erratically. She. The sheriff didn't have any idea that she, you know, it was this crazy baby thing and was stopping her for that. But. And she here's where Andres said this a couple times. So kind of a, smart individual. She was.
00:26:02:05 - 00:26:34:07
Dr. John Mayer
She saw the sheriff's car behind her, and then she called it in because she thought she was being stopped because of what she did. You know, it. And, but I do want to. And that leads me to something you said where you were. You were going on and on about giving her credit. And a lot of people like this that we talk about in the podcast, you know, for for being clever at figuring out this technology and all that kind of stuff and how they can they can do this, like in our catfish episodes, etc..
00:26:34:09 - 00:26:58:03
Dr. John Mayer
But I want to point out one thing for all of us, and probably a lot of people in the audience, you know, we're all too damn busy to be figuring out how to do fake phone calls and have 2 or 3 different phones that were texting from, I mean, is it really intelligence or is it just that now look at a look at a person like Taylor Parker.
00:26:58:05 - 00:27:16:20
Dr. John Mayer
She doesn't she doesn't work with nothing to do. So people can investigate this stuff and figure out these elaborate plans because they have nothing else going on in their life. So I'm Dory, I respect what you're saying, but I'm going. Is it really that or you just got a lot of time on your phone?
00:27:16:20 - 00:27:25:18
Dori
I think, I think because I brought that up because also too, she was like a recruiter like me. I mean, let's just draw parallels. But they at one.
00:27:25:18 - 00:27:26:16
Dr. John Mayer
Time in her life.
00:27:26:16 - 00:27:28:13
Dori
You know, at one time in her life, at the end, I.
00:27:28:13 - 00:27:31:06
Stacey
Thought to myself, she reminds me exactly.
00:27:31:08 - 00:28:01:16
Dori
Exactly of me. Although, I'm old and have never had any children. But, the coworker who mentioned that essentially they found out Taylor wasn't doing anything at her job, so. But for however long she was employed like over a year or whatever, that she was there, she made people think she was. So that's why I think of like, intelligence, I do.
00:28:01:16 - 00:28:25:02
Dori
I think that there is just like my former college roommate, there's an endearing quality about these people where they make you think, you know, many times in the documentary they said, Taylor, like, she was so nice, so interested in me. We talk, we, you know, like, oh my God, I couldn't believe when they said Taylor had murdered my daughter, that it was that Taylor.
00:28:25:02 - 00:28:45:14
Dori
Like, how could that be? I'm just saying, there are people like that that do this professionally and get away with it until they're caught. But for years they can get away with it. To me, that is a talent.
00:28:45:16 - 00:29:18:13
Dr. John Mayer
I, I agree, and both of you who are entertainers can respect the fact that it it takes really good acting. And I want to go back to the Munchausen syndrome. Think about it. For a person to fake illnesses and be taken seriously by the medical profession, that always happens in Munchausen syndrome, you're taken seriously. And so, you know, tests are run and, you know, an analysis is is performed.
00:29:18:15 - 00:29:47:06
Dr. John Mayer
It's a skill she falls people in. And Taylor Parker fooled people all her life because she's so empty inside. You know, she has nothing. No. We. Is she totally psychotic? Is she? Borderline personality disorder? Both of them are very empty people. They don't have their own sense of self and accomplishments, etc.. So her whole life is, in fact, that's why I'm so curious about her upbringing and her parents.
00:29:47:06 - 00:30:13:09
Dr. John Mayer
The, you know, and who does she pick? She picks wage. I'm going to get back to a because this is my one of my favorite quotes in the whole documentary I want to get to that really tells what kind of personality we'd have. She picks a pretty simple person that you can, you know, fool. And she probably did it all her life is you both were talking about in before I entered the picture here today.
00:30:13:11 - 00:30:40:12
Dr. John Mayer
These are pretty simple people that she did this all on. And I love this quote of from Wayne, talking about letting, the background was the documentary goes, well, why did you kind of were interested in Taylor Parker? Why'd you let her into your life? And he goes, well, I just thought it wouldn't hurt to go out and go out to eat or something with her watching, let's say, is, yeah.
00:30:40:14 - 00:30:46:20
Dr. John Mayer
Is there a boyfriend girlfriend set up? No, I don't think so. Yeah. No, I just do feel like going out and eating something.
00:30:46:22 - 00:31:14:10
Stacey
Yeah. He just was really. You know what I. What? The thing that, affected me a lot was the woman who she worked, worked with at the recruiting place who then realized she wasn't working, who had lost her daughter, and her daughter died in her arms. And she was talking about the feeling of that. And she said that Taylor, you know, you know, agreed with her because she had been through the same thing and she felt the same way.
00:31:14:12 - 00:31:44:12
Stacey
And then to have felt to have heard this woman feel this betrayal, that this woman claimed to know what it was like to lose a child like that and to be completely lying. This woman just I felt bad. And you know what she said? That that really affected me, and I don't. This is not a direct quote. It was, you know, it was like she was trying to piece together a life from all these different things to make herself feel like she was alive or believable.
00:31:44:17 - 00:32:01:03
Stacey
I don't know, that was just somebody's opinion, but I thought that was a really interesting, way to look at it. She just didn't know who she was. So she was like, well, maybe if I can pretend I was this and then pretend I was this, and then people like me or I'll be accepted or I don't know, you know, but that part of it really got to me.
00:32:01:05 - 00:32:07:14
Dr. John Mayer
And that brings us to another instructive point for our audience, because I,
00:32:07:16 - 00:32:34:00
Dr. John Mayer
you know, in our whole podcast series or show, I throw out some of these psychiatric terms and diagnoses and I like to I it throughout borderline personality disorder versus psychotic. And here's what you just said, Stacy a borderline personality disorder will will absorb and copy. Personality habits, behaviors from other people.
00:32:34:05 - 00:33:15:24
Dr. John Mayer
Almost like going into different settings and being a chameleon, a psychotic individual has a psychotic overlay, which is was pretty linear. You know, there's not you know, it doesn't fluctuate from one to another. There's psychotic all the time. And they live in this delusional, crazy world. So you're giving a good case that, a Taylor Parker was borderline personality disorder because she just kind of gleaned from one, group of people or a person to the other and was this way and now and that way then, that's that's the classic borderline personality disorder.
00:33:16:01 - 00:33:30:03
Dr. John Mayer
Whereas again, if you just emphasize the point, psychotic people have this, this one psych delusion, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm a spy for the FBI. And they're always a spy for the FBI. They don't go from one to the other story.
00:33:30:05 - 00:33:54:23
Dori
So. Well, I have a question about that. So, you're right, because we didn't really hear from the mother at all. Her mom, Taylor's mother at all. I really don't know this, but do you think. I guess her mother had said that she's always been a liar, that she's a. But I'm wondering because she did have kids. Do you think that, like, moves that along?
00:33:54:23 - 00:34:21:17
Dori
Like if there was some type of, like, borderline disorder in her after postpartum, could that also impact her because she had never, as far as we know, she never like murdered anybody before. Like she was doing more like lying and saying things that were untrue, going to the doctor for herself and saying, I have this, I have this, but never doing it to somebody else.
00:34:21:23 - 00:34:38:11
Dori
Do you think there's any postpartum side of that that maybe could change her imbalance of, you know, to like to, to move her more towards this or does that have nothing to do with it?
00:34:38:13 - 00:35:11:02
Dr. John Mayer
I think that's an, outstanding observation, but, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, and this can be off top of my head postpartum. Possibly. But she had those kids, many years before any of this happened. And so we usually see and listen to them usually see that postpartum can kick off things such as more serious mental illness, but it it doesn't last this long.
00:35:11:07 - 00:35:34:06
Dr. John Mayer
You know, you're, you're postpartum for a, an delimited time in time in your life and, but at the end can kick, kick off, a more serious, mental illness. One of the things I want to point out is that, they made a big case, which is another sad aspect of this whole thing, is that she really didn't have anything to do.
00:35:34:06 - 00:35:50:11
Dr. John Mayer
What's their kids? You know, the actual children she had, which was like one people. That was a warning sign right off the bat. You know what? Mother has nothing to do with their biological children. It's like.
00:35:50:13 - 00:36:09:09
Stacey
Well, why would she have a hysterectomy at, like, such a young age? Why would she assume she wasn't going to have another baby? And she was so adamant. Whoever said it about her? About having a hysterectomy. Yeah. And then she the one thing she wants. So the one thing she's trying to emulate is having a baby, so just doesn't really.
00:36:09:09 - 00:36:16:12
Stacey
I mean, it was her choice to have a hysterectomy. I don't think it was based on, any issues. I think, you know, she she was.
00:36:16:12 - 00:36:18:02
Dr. John Mayer
She insisted upon it, you know?
00:36:18:03 - 00:36:32:18
Stacey
Right. It's so it's like I had my tubes tied. After my daughter was born. And I asked for that because I was, at an age where I didn't want another baby. Now it turns out I ended up they.
00:36:32:20 - 00:36:35:17
Dori
She was a bit of a whore back in the day.
00:36:35:19 - 00:36:36:16
Stacey
I was a.
00:36:36:18 - 00:36:38:10
Dori
I'm still around and.
00:36:38:10 - 00:36:39:15
Stacey
Yeah. No, you know what?
00:36:39:15 - 00:36:42:08
Dori
Are you free for everybody. Yeah.
00:36:42:09 - 00:36:46:10
Dr. John Mayer
Just don't have don't have sex. They just don't have such.
00:36:46:10 - 00:37:03:16
Stacey
Oh right. Well I was I tried that for a while. Just didn't work. Well, you know, you know, but you know, ironically, I ended up having, you know, I, I, I have told you guys this before, I have the Brackett gene and, which is the breast cancer gene. And I ended up removing my ovaries anyway and my fallopian tubes.
00:37:03:16 - 00:37:18:06
Stacey
So it was kind of a moot point. But I do have a uterus. So if anybody is interested out there in implanting my uterus with a sperm and egg, it's here I am charging $250,000 for kids. That was my question.
00:37:18:11 - 00:37:19:21
Dori
And I, Doctor John and I,
00:37:20:00 - 00:37:27:13
Dori
were talking about maybe having a child together. Or you say that you're offering up your uterus to.
00:37:27:15 - 00:37:29:24
Stacey
I'm offering. I'm offering my uterus.
00:37:29:24 - 00:37:33:20
Dori
This is breaking news, everybody.
00:37:33:22 - 00:37:34:22
Dr. John Mayer
Sorry.
00:37:34:24 - 00:37:43:17
Stacey
But but truly, like, you know, when you when you make that choice, first of all. And also her having a full hysterectomy. Oh, you're going to cut me open.
00:37:43:17 - 00:37:45:24
Dr. John Mayer
I have an exacto knife ready to go.
00:37:46:01 - 00:37:46:20
Stacey
Oh my gosh.
00:37:47:01 - 00:37:48:17
Dr. John Mayer
Let us do it.
00:37:48:19 - 00:37:54:12
Dori
But you're right. Yeah I 20 when she did that she was in her 20 like 27.
00:37:54:14 - 00:37:58:07
Stacey
Yeah yeah. Like why would you want to have.
00:37:58:09 - 00:38:01:09
Dr. John Mayer
May I comment on that. You brought up the menopause.
00:38:01:09 - 00:38:02:06
Stacey
You know.
00:38:02:08 - 00:38:24:04
Dr. John Mayer
You you both brought that up when I was in the green room. About me. These people having children so young. And I don't think either one of you can appreciate this because, you know, you were born with silver spoons in your mouths and, you know, a certain class of people. Oh, yes. I, I wasn't privileged to be born that way.
00:38:24:06 - 00:38:53:22
Dr. John Mayer
That's a joke audience. It's a joke. But no, I want to emphasize that what you and everyone is witnessing in this documentary about these people having children so young now, where I grew up and everything just not uncommon. And people, people of value, being pregnant, it's it gives an identity and specialist and again goes with this Munchausen, diagnosis here.
00:38:53:24 - 00:39:18:05
Dr. John Mayer
People get a lot of esteem what we saw in the Mormon episodes where all those poor girls that were in the cauldron, oh, I can't wait to have a baby. And even Reagan's sister was interviewed when she seems like she was a teenager. She made a comment. She made a quote in the documentary. Yeah, I can't wait to have a baby, too.
00:39:18:07 - 00:39:28:09
Dr. John Mayer
You know, it's like, this is something in the in this class of individuals that is rewarded and you're, you're brainwashed with.
00:39:28:12 - 00:39:47:17
Stacey
That's where their life needs to go. I mean, they're not allowed to think about having a career or going to school their whole life is being a trad wife and having a baby. And, you know, the only thing that was creepy was that photo shoot she did with that woman who does like, rodeo horse like photo shoots. And she did like a gender reveal.
00:39:47:19 - 00:39:56:04
Stacey
The woman's like, she was so nice. And they did that pink spray, and they have a gender reveal in a photo shoot with your fake belly. It's just it's so.
00:39:56:10 - 00:40:21:12
Dori
I mean, there's so many things about this, honestly, that we all think is just absolutely ridiculous. Again, I've never had a child, but one would think that, I mean, and Stacey, you can please let me know if you have it. Oh I will, yeah. Let me know if you have a baby I would. Yes, you be covered in blood if you just had this baby like and.
00:40:21:12 - 00:40:27:14
Dori
Yes. Yeah. And the doctor like, checked her out and was like, nope, nope.
00:40:27:15 - 00:40:35:05
Stacey
He's like, no. And he said no. He was not happy. He was not happy. There is no baby in there. Yeah, yeah. And that's the room.
00:40:35:05 - 00:40:58:10
Dori
Yeah. This crazy. But that's also a part of this that I get it that like, you know, the police were there and they. But like it did seem from the very beginning everybody thought that she was lying also too, because it was called in by the other her former doctor who gave her the hysterectomy, like, be on the lookout.
00:40:58:12 - 00:41:02:07
Dori
This woman may be stealing babies.
00:41:02:11 - 00:41:03:14
Stacey
Exactly.
00:41:03:16 - 00:41:27:22
Dr. John Mayer
Well, I want to point out something that's an excellent comment by both of you. Excellent discussion. Because at first when when the police were so almost immediately suspicious of this woman, I hadn't just had an instant of going, oh, how they picked it up so, so quick. But you both are exactly right when they pick it up so quick.
00:41:28:01 - 00:41:49:16
Dr. John Mayer
She had just a splattering of blood on her, blouse. And as Stacey can, can attest, is that when your water breaks and you're ready to deliver, there is an odor, and there's there's stuff all over the place, you know, fluid and blood, etc. it's like.
00:41:49:18 - 00:41:57:20
Stacey
I part made it really sort of be like, oh, like, wait, can I just say one, can I do I have my what? Do you think I'm lying?
00:41:57:22 - 00:42:01:18
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say I've had my water break once.
00:42:01:20 - 00:42:04:08
Stacey
Okay. So you know what it smells like. No.
00:42:04:08 - 00:42:10:12
Dr. John Mayer
You know, what I'm getting at is you. You were right. I can tell when a certain person is lying. You didn't even call me out on that.
00:42:10:15 - 00:42:12:20
Stacey
Oh, yeah. You're such a liar, John.
00:42:12:22 - 00:42:17:00
Dori
I do it. I just stayed silent. I was silently judging you, John.
00:42:17:00 - 00:42:22:01
Stacey
I yeah, she was. I saw it in her eyes. I never get my water. Never broke.
00:42:22:03 - 00:42:22:12
Dr. John Mayer
What?
00:42:22:12 - 00:42:24:05
Stacey
So. No. So you.
00:42:24:07 - 00:42:27:08
Dr. John Mayer
Weren't pregnant? You weren't free.
00:42:27:10 - 00:42:29:18
Dori
I would I kids, you know, Stacey.
00:42:29:24 - 00:42:32:08
Dr. John Mayer
I don't know where those kids came from. I don't know.
00:42:32:08 - 00:42:48:23
Stacey
Where those came. I was in the hospital being induced because it was a week after I was due. I was due on the 10th of December, and I went in there on the 18th and I had them on the 19th. They popped my water. They did all this stuff. Nothing was happening. So I had a C-section. So my second was a planned C-section.
00:42:49:00 - 00:43:00:06
Stacey
But I have seen births and there's no way that there's not blood and shit. And fluid and, and and exactly.
00:43:00:08 - 00:43:01:19
Dori
It would be all over the for you.
00:43:01:20 - 00:43:11:13
Stacey
You would, you would look like you would look like a crime scene. I mean, it's not pretty. It is bloody and gory and there's shit everywhere and urine and crap.
00:43:11:15 - 00:43:13:18
Dori
It's not everybody doesn't shit when.
00:43:13:18 - 00:43:20:17
Stacey
They I don't I actually I actually that was an add on. I don't really know if that's true.
00:43:20:19 - 00:43:35:15
Dori
I mean, with, with this parasite going around right now, you never know. Maybe I was a diarrhea. I may be, quote unquote, having a baby. You never know. I'm very susceptible to, food poisoning. So I could be you.
00:43:35:17 - 00:43:38:00
Stacey
Have you had explosive diarrhea yet?
00:43:38:02 - 00:44:07:13
Dori
No, but. But my lat. Wait, let me just say this, but no, I have not. But my. So I went to get my lashes done yesterday. She had an explosive diarrhea right during during the. She was doing my lashes. She wash her hands twice. But I said just my luck. In now nine days I'm probably going to have explosive diarrhea as well because she.
00:44:07:13 - 00:44:12:09
Stacey
What the fuck did did she have the say? Does she have that thing from the Cyclospora?
00:44:12:11 - 00:44:39:07
Dori
No. Body knows. You don't really know. But she had been diarrhea lying sick. Michael Bell rings three times a day for like, three days, and then she's putting her the malicious. I asked, I said, do you think you should go home? Do you want to reschedule this? And she said, oh no, no, I'm good. And she did my last.
00:44:39:10 - 00:44:44:12
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah, I would have do worry. I would have bolted out of that chair and got the hell out of there right away.
00:44:44:12 - 00:44:47:22
Dori
And I went over there. I was laying down.
00:44:47:24 - 00:44:49:12
Stacey
Yes, you were like, did you.
00:44:49:12 - 00:44:53:20
Dr. John Mayer
Inspect between her fingernails whether she had, you know, you know. Oh, I'm.
00:44:53:22 - 00:44:58:17
Dori
Sure I have shit all in my eye. Yeah, I'm sure I was just fuck. But that's.
00:44:58:19 - 00:45:00:08
Stacey
Sorry. That's horrible.
00:45:00:09 - 00:45:03:17
Dr. John Mayer
Dory, your eyes look shitty. Your eyes was shitty.
00:45:03:19 - 00:45:09:14
Dori
I see. Now, the next time we record, everybody will be able to see the.
00:45:09:14 - 00:45:11:04
Dr. John Mayer
See your shitty eyes.
00:45:11:06 - 00:45:12:19
Dori
I am scared for you.
00:45:12:19 - 00:45:16:07
Stacey
I know, but I don't think you're going to get it. But is it a nine day incubation?
00:45:16:09 - 00:45:21:10
Dr. John Mayer
It's like. It doesn't. It doesn't, Right. It doesn't express itself right away.
00:45:21:12 - 00:45:28:04
Dori
But they also said it probably cannot go from person to person, but we don't get it from.
00:45:28:06 - 00:45:30:17
Stacey
Any salad because I'm eating a salad today.
00:45:30:17 - 00:45:34:11
Dori
Yeah. Salads. You should probably not eat salads for a little while.
00:45:34:11 - 00:45:43:01
Dr. John Mayer
Where where are you getting your salad? Ask them if they eat green. Oh they'll probably they probably, washed it properly.
00:45:43:06 - 00:45:44:13
Dori
You know what I did?
00:45:44:15 - 00:45:46:05
Stacey
It's already been ten days.
00:45:46:11 - 00:45:56:23
Dori
I bought a, since I had a vegetable scrubber yesterday because I'm. And I bought Pedialyte just in case.
00:45:57:00 - 00:45:58:04
Stacey
Oh, my God.
00:45:58:06 - 00:46:03:09
Dori
Just in case I'm on the shipper. Well, like so, and I myself.
00:46:03:09 - 00:46:10:15
Dr. John Mayer
I can I say. Can I say as a doctor, just take a cork out of a wine bottle and just put it there? That's just as good as Pedialyte.
00:46:10:15 - 00:46:11:19
Dori
Up my bottle.
00:46:11:19 - 00:46:14:17
Stacey
Oh yeah, for sure. That's how I usually do it.
00:46:14:20 - 00:46:16:11
Dr. John Mayer
It's just on my mind.
00:46:16:13 - 00:46:18:01
Stacey
My doctor, he's an actual.
00:46:18:06 - 00:46:25:19
Dr. John Mayer
My man, my primitive Northwestern Medical school, you know, education. Oh. Can we get back to Taylor Parker, please?
00:46:25:21 - 00:46:33:04
Stacey
Oh, yeah. That was my fault, because I inadvertently, I said that that there was shit and urine all over the table, and.
00:46:33:04 - 00:46:33:18
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah, and you're.
00:46:33:18 - 00:46:44:22
Stacey
Exactly right, audience. I don't know if it's really shit. I had a cyst, two C-sections, one planned, one quote unquote emergency, but it was kind of. And that's it. But there was a lot of blood.
00:46:44:24 - 00:46:57:08
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah, it's a mess. That's why I was saying, you know, my comment was the police were like immediately astute. Let's go. Hey, this is what this does not look like a childbirth, sister.
00:46:57:08 - 00:46:59:08
Stacey
I gotta get to the doctor.
00:46:59:09 - 00:47:03:04
Dr. John Mayer
Yeah. She just seems so like. Yeah. And that poor baby.
00:47:03:06 - 00:47:18:19
Dori
Or for week, because I do have to go back to work. But I think what we should also mention too. Just one more thing too, that she is the youngest person in Texas and youngest Texas on death row in Texas.
00:47:18:22 - 00:47:21:15
Dr. John Mayer
And lost her appeals is losing her.
00:47:21:15 - 00:47:25:04
Stacey
I think that she's dangerous. If she was set free.
00:47:25:06 - 00:47:30:10
Dr. John Mayer
I think so. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to see somebody like this back in society.
00:47:30:10 - 00:47:44:02
Dori
You know, I wouldn't. It hasn't been many years, so she couldn't have had that much, like psychological work and medication to just be like, it's it's only been like a couple of years. Yeah. She's been convicted.
00:47:44:02 - 00:48:07:12
Stacey
Right. And one more thing to follow up with what you're saying that the the the mother of Reagan talking about how traumatizing obviously there's no words for this, but to imagine your child in that much pain and fear, you know, similar to the women, to anybody who loses a child. But, you know, we've we've done a lot of these.
00:48:07:12 - 00:48:27:12
Stacey
The yogurt shop, it's this idea of that she couldn't help her child, you know, or a child was alone and she wasn't there. And there's a feeling. And as a mother, when your kid gets hurt. So was I, you know what I mean? And why wasn't I there to to be there for her and then imagining all that stuff she went through and the pain she was in?
00:48:27:12 - 00:48:49:11
Stacey
It's just I don't know how she how you live after that. I just don't know. I don't know how credible somebody needs to answer that because these stories are just horrible, horrible, life ruining trauma forever for generations, situations and a lot of crazy people out there.
00:48:49:13 - 00:49:03:09
Dr. John Mayer
All I can say about that, when you see somebody has to answer it, is that in spite of maybe some of the sarcasm we've had about these people, they're tough people. He's a tough people.
00:49:03:11 - 00:49:09:05
Stacey
Yeah, they're tough people because, you know. Yeah, yeah. A little snowflake over here.
00:49:09:07 - 00:49:13:10
Dr. John Mayer
And we, we saw that and and Reagan's mom you know to be able to.
00:49:13:16 - 00:49:16:00
Stacey
Yeah. To be able to sit there and talk with participating.
00:49:16:01 - 00:49:24:11
Dr. John Mayer
In this documentary. You know, unbelievable amazing. And even and even Wade talking about this, he did tear up a couple of times and.
00:49:24:13 - 00:49:25:09
Stacey
Yeah that poor.
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Dr. John Mayer
Guy.
00:49:25:19 - 00:49:32:02
Stacey
But so that was led around you know like he just he's just a little simple, maybe a little dull.
00:49:32:04 - 00:49:53:11
Dr. John Mayer
Just my usual wrap up. Okay. What what did we learn here? Hopefully you've learned something about Munchausen syndrome, but also, let's talk about the warning signs here to the audience. There's so many warning signs. And stay away from a person like this. The fact that she didn't take care of her kids come on, you know, stay away from an individual.
00:49:53:13 - 00:50:26:00
Dr. John Mayer
The money thing. When the money, when the whole, ruse of money started to collapse, this family should have ran for the hills and said, there's something seriously wrong with with this lady. So again, audience no, don't hesitate when you see things like this happening with an individual that is in your life. Take action, do something, run away, etc. but listen to the warning signs.
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Stacey
And listen to your gut.
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Unknown
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Dori
starting in a few weeks. Our podcast. You're all going to be able to see our faces.
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Dr. John Mayer
What we love is it's shocking.
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Stacey
We have faces, everybody. Talking the interact with our dogs. You can see the penis dog. You can see John in the green room.
00:50:51:24 - 00:50:54:07
Dori
You can tweet. People wanted
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Dr. John Mayer
Is there enough time to get plastic surgery
00:50:56:16 - 00:50:59:16
Stacey
As a matter of fact, I'm having a Botox treatment next week,
00:50:59:17 - 00:51:01:11
Stacey
Not sure about you guys,
00:51:01:13 - 00:51:04:07
Dori
Are you ready for us?
00:51:04:09 - 00:51:15:19
Dori
stay tuned for our next episode. Devotion. Obedience or betrayal? Everything you need to know on Paramount Plus.
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Stacey/Dori
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