Man in America Podcast

Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.

Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.

After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.

He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.

Seth Holehouse: 00:14

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. As much as the whole COVID pandemic was a complete disaster, there's always a silver lining. And the silver lining, one of the major silver linings that I've seen coming out of this pandemic was that a lot more people have awakened to the fact that the medical industrial complex is not out there to help us. And in fact, it's actually been working together with the agencies, the FDA, etcetera, to keep us very sick, and that the sickness is a huge industry for them.

Seth Holehouse: 00:47

One of the biggest ones is cancer. And there's been some shocking information that had come out recently in a study that shows that in the past thirty years, approximately one point three million women have been misdiagnosed as having breast cancer. So they were told they had breast cancer from mammograms, ended up, you know, who knows, they got mastectomies or or any of numbers of treatment. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. So my guest today is a returning guest, my good friend Jonathan Otto.

Seth Holehouse: 01:13

We did a show recently talking about red light therapy and different kinds of other treatments and just what they're really hiding. And so we're gonna be diving deep into research. And some videos to show and a lot of information. It's gonna become like a mini webinar and education about this. So, folks, please enjoy the interview with Jonathan Otto.

Seth Holehouse: 01:30

Mister Jonathan Otto, it is so wonderful to have you back on the show, my friend. Thank you for being here.

Speaker 2: 01:36

Of course, Seth. I wouldn't miss it, and I I appreciate you, and I love what you're doing. So it's great to look. We're gonna have a great conversation with people today, and it's gonna really change the way people see disease and and wellness.

Seth Holehouse: 01:49

Absolutely. And I think that what folks will realize think what they've already realized, you're there's this mass awakening happening, obviously, with a lot of different things, but I feel like that one of the biggest pinpoints of this awakening has been the medical system. You're seeing, you know, even hosts on Tucker, you know, Tucker's show talking about Rockefeller and his involvement and how much they control new medicine and how much big pharma is controlling medicine. And then you have the cancer industry, which is absolutely massive, like absolutely massive. Actually, I'm gonna pull up a slide just to just to set the the conversation.

Seth Holehouse: 02:24

So breast cancer sorry, Breast Cancer Research Foundation, which almost, I'd say, everyone's aware of. It's the pink ribbon. They have the big walks and everything. So since their founding in '93, they've raised more than a billion dollars. Okay?

Seth Holehouse: 02:42

It's with a b, billion. Right here it says, since our founding in 1993 by Evelyn h Louder, BCRF has raised more than a billion dollars to fuel its mission to be the end of breast cancer. Through a unique and streamlined grants program, we seek out the brightest minds in science and medicine and give them necessary resources to pursue their best ideas. Now what's crazy is I would be willing to bet money that a lot of the research money, a lot of the funding, all the money they're bringing in goes to sponsor mammogram education. Like, I'm sure that they're all about, you know, kind of what's the what's the medical term for that?

Seth Holehouse: 03:23

I forget what it is about. You're kind of looking for something before it it happens. I got a little bit of

Speaker 2: 03:28

a Oh, yeah. I obviously, it's predictive. I'm trying to think of what you're referring to. But, yeah, it'll come to us.

Seth Holehouse: 03:34

Okay. There you go. Yeah. We've got our our brains are tied in good and bad ways. So basically, you know, the the mammograms.

Seth Holehouse: 03:41

Right? When it's, you know, kind of early early detection, you know, early detection type stuff. Right? So but what's crazy is I'm gonna pull up this video. This is, this is, Ty Bollinger.

Seth Holehouse: 03:53

It's a two minute video talking about what's actually happening happening with breast cancer and these mammograms because this is shocking to me. Like, I know so many people, including my my my close family, who have had some sort of interaction with breast cancer. And they they've had treatments. They've had some sort of medical treatments under people that have mastectomies, etcetera. But I'm gonna play this because this this just changes a lot of the conversation.

Seth Holehouse: 04:23

So it's about two minutes, long. This is, Ty Bollinger.

Speaker 3: 04:27

What about mammograms? Is mammography prone to diagnose women with breast cancer that don't even have breast cancer? Are we being told the whole truth about this issue?

Speaker 4: 04:37

There's been a manipulation of the science and there's been a very dangerous thing called over diagnosis that has really afflicted millions of women over the past thirty years, especially for breast cancer because what they've done is that they convinced women that if they were to basically subscribe to an x-ray mammography screening even though they have no symptoms, that ultimately that would help them in the long run. They'd have a lower risk of cancer because they'd find it early

Speaker 3: 05:03

detection is your best protection.

Speaker 4: 05:05

Exactly, they even equated this meme with prevention when in fact you're exposing your breasts to a type of radiation that is actually known to have a higher risk of causing cancer in the breast, especially if you have the BRCA1 and two gene mutations that everyone is so concerned about because they make it harder for you to damage radiate, to protect yourself from radiation induced damage. So, over diagnosis according to a recent study done in the New England Journal of Medicine over the past thirty years in The United States resulted in one point three million women being diagnosed with early stage breast cancer that technically never had any type of cancer that would have caused harm. This is called ductal carcinoma in situ or stage zero cancer, which they equated with actual cancer, which now we know is not, and so what that basically meant is that they would give them the standard mastectomy or lumpectomy with radiation with chemotherapy, things like tamoxifen and then follow-up hormone suppressive therapies like arimidex. So basically what we're dealing with here is a kind of a medical holocaust of sorts because those women now had to deal with being diagnosed with a cancer they didn't have, being treated for it, having the stigma and all the psycho spiritual emotional stress that's caused by that, and then statistically, the industry told them that they saved their lives when in fact quite the opposite happened.

Speaker 4: 06:28

So they identify with the aggressor like a Stockholm syndrome, and millions of people march in these breast cancer awareness marches, not realizing that it's funded by the very corporations that make money off the drugs used to treat breast cancer.

Seth Holehouse: 06:42

Man. So just a just a quick a quick summary. Now I I wanna hear your thoughts on I'm gonna pull it back up. So he he he ended with that. Right?

Seth Holehouse: 06:50

It's funded by the industry that's making all the money off of it. So here again, you know, Breast Cancer Research Foundation. Right? This is the famous pink ribbon. These you know, they hold the marches.

Seth Holehouse: 07:01

And and I'll maybe I'll do a search while you're talking and see, but my guess is that they're big on mammograms. Right? They're big on early detection, and that they're also funding a lot of research that relates to, you know, new types of chemotherapy, radiation, etcetera, which is so crazy because there's even information coming out now about how ivermectin treats cancer. And, you know, we we talked in the last show about how chlorine dioxide can treat cancer or how red light red light therapy can treat cancer, but you never see these multibillion dollar organizations talking about that. What it is, it's like, okay, they're they're they're putting money into educating women on early detection.

Seth Holehouse: 07:41

So all these women right? It's one point three million that were misdiagnosed in the past thirty years. All these women, they go out, they're paying for this early detection screening. That's oftentimes then causing the cancer, or they're giving a false positive and saying, oh, we've we've detected this. Now they're going in for mastectomies, all kinds of expensive treatments.

Seth Holehouse: 08:00

And then it's just this, like, it's this cycle, which we've seen over and over again. Right? It's like, okay. Keep everyone sick. Keep them confused, and you'll have these customers for life.

Seth Holehouse: 08:09

It just it's insane. But, you know, Jonathan, what are your what are your thoughts on this, man? It's crazy.

Speaker 2: 08:15

Yeah. Exactly. Look. You're talking a lot about many different topics on your on your shows, and one of them is transhumanism and and also this this fight to go take away man and woman and these how God made us in our gender. And so it's kind of a stretch in people's minds to start realizing that these industries overlap.

Speaker 2: 08:39

You've got one where a child is getting signed up for gender reassignment surgery, and then in another case, one point three million women are misdiagnosed with breast cancer. Did they know? And in both settings, a female is, in this case, a female, but across the board, you've got these invasive surgeries that are actually changing their physiology and and, again, attack attacking, in this case, the femininity of of of a woman and having toxins released into our atmosphere. Like, we're we're taught to put a mask or double mask and be driving in our car with a double mask and, because of the potential risk of COVID. And then yet, glyphosate, has $11,000,000,000 in lawsuits, one against Monsanto for the use of glyphosate in that it created, life threatening diseases, and so many fatalities have occurred, many different types of cancer, and yet that's still in the market.

Speaker 2: 09:41

There's a hundred and fifty thousand cases, you know, a hundred thousand one, fifty thousand cases pending against Monsanto. Basically, whole world is poisoned by this. It's still on the shelves. And so these organizations, if they if they actually wanted to solve the problem, they would be going after these types of groups. They'd be helping they'd have a public discourse.

Speaker 2: 09:59

They would also be going after vaccines, COVID vaccines, but they're doing none of these things. They're going after all the wrong things. They're going into all the invasive therapies. They're not going into the therapies like one of the ones that we'd talk about. We mentioned it last time about in a twenty four hour period with the red light therapy, which is noninvasive.

Speaker 2: 10:18

It's it's enjoyable to actually stand in front of a red light. In this case, in twenty four hours, the proliferation of breast tumor cells dropped by 40%, again, in only twenty four hours. Four different wavelengths were tested, and we will show the details on that, but it was only six sixty nanometers in wavelength. So there's some information that you didn't hear from this group, the BICRF, the Breast Cancer Research Foundation, the scam money laundering institute that is designed to make you march for something that they're using to poison you, whether yeah, there's good people in the organization, but, you know, the the heads of those systems, they are not motivated by the things that you would think they would be motivated with. Unfortunately, they're they're not for you.

Speaker 2: 11:05

They they don't care about you. I I wish it wasn't true.

Seth Holehouse: 11:09

And it's it's a sad realization because I think a lot of Americans are now going through this process. We think we we had some sort of hidden Stockholm syndrome, right, before where we were kind of obsessed with with our masters. Right? And it was, you know, the worship of the medical industry, the worship of the doctors. And and I feel like that, you know, the COVID pandemic really broke that.

Seth Holehouse: 11:32

It it pushed people to this edge, And then you had the vaccine campaign coming after that, that I felt that, again, as I mentioned earlier, there's been this mass awakening as it relates to the medical system. And what you then realize is that as you go further up the ladder, that all these different diseases, it's it's all I mean, you could say that it's all about money, but I I think there's actually there's more to it than money. I like how you brought up the whole transgender idea and everything because if you look at Baphomet, for instance, right, one of the the key demons or you could see, you know, some people say it's Satan himself, whatever, you know, he's androgynous. Right? He's this, he's this this demon that's got, you know, a male build and male features, and he has female breasts.

Seth Holehouse: 12:14

And so it's almost like how I look at it is that, you know, God made man and woman. Right? And it's very clear. It's, you know, it's very clearly outlined in the Bible that God created man and woman. And not just the Bible, you go to a lot of different cultures, and you you trace back their their spiritual belief system, their religion, and it comes to the same conclusion.

Seth Holehouse: 12:32

Right? Is that, you know, that basically, God made men and women. And so I look at it as it's it's, you know, one of the greatest creatures. It was the gift of life that was given to us. Right?

Seth Holehouse: 12:42

And so if you look at like, let's just say there's some that you hated. Right? And let's just say you're an evil person, and you hated this person. That person had a brand new sports car. Right?

Seth Holehouse: 12:51

You would love to go and just key the sports car, or if you could set it on fire and see them suffer because there's sports car is burning. Right? It's like that times a million where with this beautiful creation of man and woman and and mother and father and and brother and sister, and you have this agenda that's coming out that set out to destroy that, to turn not to turn men into women, but to turn men into something else and turn women into something else so that they either men or women, they get stuck in the middle somewhere where they're kinda half woman, half man because you can't fully convert. You could say, yeah, you can give a man breast implants and you can give him a a vagina implant, but he still has the male DNA so that they're creating this mess. And I think that fundamentally, it's all about trying to destroy God's creation.

Speaker 2: 13:36

Yeah. You got it. You got it. And look. There there are so many people like, there there may be some women in listening right now where they they really didn't have any options in front of them, and so to to get a mastectomy made the most sense.

Speaker 2: 13:50

And and, like, these things are are happening, and we have 100% total empathy. It's really this research, and what we're talking about here is about finding a better way and having a better solution for our children and for their children and for all of us, because you can actually even have both of your breasts removed, and then you'll just have tumors pop out of where the breasts aren't even there anymore, but it's coming out of the chest because it's not a problem with the breasts, as an example, and that's with all types of tumors. It's not a problem with the pancreas that you have pancreatic cancer. It's not a problem that you have a defective lymph nodes with a lymphatic type of cancer or carcinoma. It's not because you have issues with your face.

Speaker 2: 14:37

There's something else that's going on with with toxicity in the body and the body's inability to regulate that is causing this issue. And so it's, you know, this whole thing about, like, let's just cut out the organ and let's get rid of it. And in many cases, like, breasts are seen as auxiliary. Like, look. You can get rid of them.

Speaker 2: 14:56

And so you know?

Seth Holehouse: 14:58

Folks, we all see it. Everything's getting more expensive. We're paying two, three, four times what things cost just a few years ago. And we know they're lying. 3% inflation, really?

Seth Holehouse: 15:10

Think about it. Why are they telling us to keep our hard earned money in the banks and stock market while they're rushing to buy gold and silver? That's right. Governments and central banks around the world are dumping the dollar and scrambling to buy gold and silver right now. These are smart people.

Seth Holehouse: 15:28

They see the signs just like you do. They know the crash is coming. The dollar has lost more than half its value in the last five years, and our national debt's increasing a trillion dollars every hundred days. It can't go on like this. Even Bank of America's warning about a dollar collapse.

Seth Holehouse: 15:46

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Seth Holehouse: 16:11

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Speaker 2: 16:45

Angelina Jolie went for an elective surgery to diminish her chances of getting breast cancer by removing her breasts, and I know, you know, doctor Christy Funk was in on the surgery on that, and I've interviewed her, and she, you know, didn't even agree with with it, but, and and then, you know, was advocating for, like, good plant based diets to help mitigate those issues so that people didn't have to do that. But looks at this, there's so much to this equation, and I think that what's really exciting about what we're talking about is for those that are knowing about these aggressive cancer rates and the turbo cancers, and which for people that hadn't heard that term, basically normally, quote unquote, in the past, people would go in to their oncologist or get a diagnosis and they'd be at stage one. And what I'm talking about is you have some kind of symptom, you go to an oncologist, and then you get diagnosed with stage four right away. And in some cases, and I get these texts all the time, it's horrible, Seth, where, you know, people have got days to live, quote, unquote. And and in some cases, there is nothing that I can do because they already get thrown straight into hospice.

Speaker 2: 18:00

And, like, they literally just got the news, and then they're on morphine already, and the family are literally stuck. And and look. I just can't tell you how many people that eat like, were even just new friends of mine that like, grown men that are just crying like babies in my arms because they just lost their mother. They just lost their father. You know, the last twenty four, forty eight hours, it's it's just happened again and again and again.

Speaker 2: 18:24

And so for me, I'm saying get ahead of this, and you can get ahead of this. And, like, whether you got a COVID vaccine or didn't get a vaccine, and I know a lot of people that are listening to this resisted, and and that is awesome. But then a lot of people still got exposed, and people have still had a lot of post symptoms of COVID and shedding and these issues. Then on the other hand, we've all got loved ones that took it. I just want to say that in some ways, we're all in the same boat, and we're all bombarded by these toxins, and so let's get the therapies to get these toxins out of our body and help our body regenerate.

Speaker 2: 19:00

And that's the really good news because I am shocked, and you and I were just going through just maybe about an hour or half an hour ago, and we were reading through the studies together, and I was having you read it with urine eyes, and I was like, Look, here's the published study, Seth. And I watched your your jaw drop, and and I had to keep going over. I'm like, this can't be true. This is not possible that these results could be so good. My team must have made an error when they were copying this over this information over.

Speaker 2: 19:27

And I no. This is exactly what has happened in this study. All of these patients went into remission. This is amazing. And so there's the hope because there's a lot of bad news, Seth, but the good news is is better than you could imagine.

Seth Holehouse: 19:40

And that's such an an important point because I think that when you look at medical treatments, we're used to these treatments being very, very expensive. So you have to have your insurance to cover it. My brother, which I've talked about before, I lost my brother. You know, he died at 33. He had a non Hodgkin's lymphoma.

Seth Holehouse: 19:59

Right? He had a big tumor that grew in his chest, and it, it was a it was a whole long process, and they actually the the doctors really messed things up because he went into the ER one day when he was feeling particularly bad, and they found all this fluid in his chest. So they drained out two liters of fluid from his chest without actually even thinking, okay. Why did his body create that fluid in the first place? So his chest his body created that fluid to keep the pressure of the tumor off of his heart and his left lung.

Seth Holehouse: 20:28

So as soon as they drain that fluid, the the tumor then stopped his heart, and it collapsed his left lung. And so he instantly went into cardiac arrest. It took them about thirty minutes to get an ECMO machine hooked up to him. Right? ECMO is an external heart.

Seth Holehouse: 20:43

So he had about thirty minutes of CPR. Right? And and, you to to have them keep him alive because his heart his heart was literally crushed by a tumor. And so it caused massive brain damage. They told us he would never wake up because of he was having seizures.

Seth Holehouse: 20:58

I mean, it was it was it was a really bad so he ended up actually, he ended up waking up, and I and I I lived in the hospital for many months, actually sleeping in the lobby, you know, because between me and we had a lot of friends and family, but also his wife, we were, you know, bedside twenty four hours a day. Like, there was always somebody with him, you know, for for probably, I think, about nine months, that was the case, where we took shifts. And, so but what's crazy is that he did wake up, and and the doctors were, you know, they're you know, some of them actually, they're they were nice, but some of them were very arrogant, and and they would say, there's no way he's waking up. And they'd be talking right next to him as he's in a coma, saying there's no way he's waking up in this. And it's like, that's the worst thing if you and remember, we watched his brain scan because he had, know, hooked up to his head.

Seth Holehouse: 21:43

Yeah. E e EKG, I think, whatever it was that was monitoring EEG, I think. And so, and you could see his brain function responding to what the doctors were saying. So but he did wake up, but he was he was pretty heavily paralyzed and had a lot of, you know, you know, kind of mental cognition issues and everything. And we got him out of the hospital, and he was starting to recover.

Seth Holehouse: 22:04

And then he was going through radiation, and they they got rid of it, but it came back. And then eventually, it claimed his life. But at the end of that process, the bill was over a million dollars. I think it was, like, 1 and a half million dollars was the expense of that. Absolutely crazy.

Seth Holehouse: 22:20

And so we're we're trained to think that these treatments are so expensive, but then what you find is it it's actually a lot of times, like, the thing that can heal you is growing in your backyard. Like, it's it's that inexpensive. That's what big the big pharma, you know, the Rockefeller industry has done is that they've come in and they've demonized the natural things like red light therapy. Red light therapy used to be just going out in in the morning, in the dawn, getting that early sun, getting the evening sun, and getting those particular rays. Whether it's that or the different herbs growing in your backyard or, you know, milk from a certain goat or whatever it is, they've hidden all this from us, and they've demonized it and forced us in this thinking that, like, you have to go through their system and and basically commit, you know, chemotherapy suicide.

Seth Holehouse: 23:05

For a lot of people, that's what it is. It's a death sentence to get these treatments. So, anyway, obviously, this is something that it's very close to the to the heart for me. It just it's always incredible learning about the treatments that I now know about. I wish I would have known about, you know, back in, I think it was 2035, almost a decade ago.

Speaker 2: 23:22

Wow. Seth, my heart is with you, brother. And I have a younger brother that's staying with me right now and visiting, and I just I love my brother. I would I would die for him, and I, you know, I see that love and spirit in you, and I could just, yeah, I could imagine the trauma that it just all happened so soon. And, like, yeah, it's it's so tragic.

Speaker 2: 23:47

And so many people are going through this right now, and it's it's really hard for a lot of people. And and, thankfully, we'll see your your brother in heaven, and and we're gonna get that time together. I'll get to meet him. We'll get to tell him about all the things that we did and how we we shared his story to help others and and make make a better future for for our children and their children, and that would be really special. And but, yeah, I know I know the feeling of, like, know, what would it mean to have known these things, and I think that that's what's so powerful for the person listening right now.

Speaker 2: 24:20

You're listening to this right now, and you're getting to hear the things. Seth has his wife and his children and his parents. Sometimes I think with trauma as well, people keep looking back, and it's so hard to then process and then say, now I've got this information. Look at all the people that need my help and need this. And that's how I've dealt with, like, trauma as well when I've lost somebody that was really important to me of of realizing, wow.

Speaker 2: 24:53

I have this in my hands right now. Here's what's in front of me. That person is now sleeping, or they're in heaven, or they're resting, waiting for Christ to return. And and in both settings that you're you've got that peace that that person is they don't they're not suffering in this world anymore like like we do. Now how do we then put our our energies into then creating the best future for for our children and for those that we love and care about and everyone that we can touch and influence like you're doing with this?

Speaker 2: 25:23

And that's what I'm excited about what we're about to share because these studies give so much hope and they take something that would be, Oh, I wonder if there would be a cure for cancer. You know, and I've got to give a medical disclaimer here and kind of say this in more vague ways, but then when you read the findings, you say, hold on a second. Is is this it? And that's the kind of thing that we're, like, that we're experiencing right now uncovering this information.

Seth Holehouse: 25:51

So, you know, what I wanna kinda dive into is well, first off, just the from the bigger picture is that every show we do like this, I think what if there's one thing that people walk away from, then they gain, it's this perspective that, wait. There's a lot of other ways of curing cancer. Right? There's not just the the big pharma, you know, big hospital industrial complex method. That there's a lot of ways.

Seth Holehouse: 26:15

That's what my research has shown me as well. Right? So, obviously, you know, so we'll talk about red light therapy because that's one of your specialties, but there's, you know, chlorine dioxide. There's high dose vitamin c. There's special milks out of Mexico, you know, goat milks.

Seth Holehouse: 26:28

There's and know you're you know, you know these things extensively because you were, you know, heavily involved in the truth about cancer documentary. You've done so much work around this. But that's the key, is the key is that there are so many ways to cure cancer. Even ivermectin. American thought leaders, Jania Kallik, over the Epoch Times, just published an interview with a woman talking about how ivermectin was reversing, like, you know, late stage cancer.

Seth Holehouse: 26:53

So there's so many treatments out there, but you're you're talking about what's happening with the red light. So and you've got a a a slideshow and everything. So we're gonna dive into a a few bits of part of it because our last interview that we did, was we talked about red light, and the the response was overwhelming. Like, people loved it. The interview went really viral.

Seth Holehouse: 27:14

We got a lot of views, but there were a lot of questions actually afterwards. And we we we kind of you know, you can only do so much in an hour long interview, so we we had to glaze over some things. So today, part of what we're doing is is you're gonna be walking us through some of the actual studies because this is where I get interested is that when I see, like, oh, you know, even though NIH or CDC is saying, this is really, really bad for you. What you'll find is you can go find a study on NIH's website that says, this in fact is good for you. Like, it's so funny when you look at the actual study versus the propaganda, and oftentimes, it's it's the opposite.

Seth Holehouse: 27:47

So I'll go ahead and pull up this, this slideshow. This is just part of a a much larger slideshow that, know, you have, a presentation you give, but, I'll be your kind of your your kind of operator here. So just walk us through and let me know when you wanna switch the slides.

Speaker 2: 28:01

No. Thanks, Seth. And, again, like, it's so great for people to get this information under their belt. And so let's let's look at glioblastomas. So that you'll see here that there's a twelve to fifteen month survival rate, specifically because of the reoccurrence of the tumors because they'll operate, but then they'll keep going back.

Speaker 2: 28:20

But this interesting finding here with photodynamic therapy, which think red light therapy, but also think supplementation at the same time using photosensitizing agents, and so they just go together. So it's either supplements or, let's say, a drug, but they're using natural compounds typically in these studies, or it's a bit of a mix, but there are ways to do this from home. But anyway, so that's photodynamic therapy as an alternative approach to treating several diseases, including tumors. The study by the Institute of Cancer Research showed that photo immunotherapy also triggered immune responses in the body that could prime the immune system to target cancer cells so that the treatment could help prevent glioblastoma cells from coming back after surgery. So now this is just a very, very helpful understanding on how you help the body fight cancer.

Speaker 2: 29:13

You're priming the immune system so that it can target the cancer cells, And if you think about not just going to kill cancer cells, which is not entirely bad, there's something good about that, but mostly you're carpet bombing the body and instead of specifically targeting the immune system to target and kill the cancer cells, and the way you do that is by giving the healthy cells what they need so that they can be the Trojan horse and go ahead and fight those cancers. And I think even the next slide will underscore this further, Seth. Keep going there. The lymphoma, fascinating, and we're going to show some more studies on this, but this red light therapy has been shown to be a successful treatment for cutaneous T cell lymphoma, and its efficacy ranges from sixty to ninety percent. And so we'll cite the studies here here.

Speaker 2: 30:08

In a study published in 02/2018, photobiomodulation cancer, what is the truth, found that there were three main effects of photobiomodulation. Now now you're hearing red light therapy. You're hearing photodynamic therapy, photobiomodulation. What do these words mean? So photo, light, bio, life, modulation to change something.

Speaker 2: 30:29

So to change something with the process to change life with the process of using light is photobiomodulation. And so it's the same thing. So it's another way to say red light therapy, but infrared, or specifically near infrared, is also part of photobimodulation. So photobimodulation is a great mother term. So anyway, so this is what is the truth?

Speaker 2: 30:54

Found that there were three main effects of photobiomodulation. One, a total regression of tumors. A total regression of tumors was seen in mice that had functional mitochondria as well as possible immunological memory cured. Two, it helped in killing cancerous cells and protecting healthy cells. And three, it assisted in reducing tumor, the growth of tumors, as well as increasing immune cell recruitment.

Speaker 2: 31:19

So you're seeing similar things. So we talked about the glioblastoma. You're seeing a similar thing now here with lymphoma. You can keep going here, Seth. Let's see, and there's this study.

Speaker 2: 31:29

People can kind of say anything that they like, but we're giving you the references, and so people can check the findings in detail, and they're all there, so everyone should be doing their research. Fortunately, there's, to my knowledge, nothing that I have not been able to find that has been censored in regard to red light therapy, so it's touted to become the fifth leading treatment of cancer by the pharmaceutical complex. So this is actually making its way into mainstream, but it may be too late for people that really need it, and it's going to be often combined with chemotherapy and things instead of people using it preventatively or using it without those other harmful therapies. Again, do your own research and make your own choices there, but let's have a look at the next slide. This one, red light therapy for lymphoma, a 02/2006 pilot study reported successful treatment in three patients with indolent CBCL, including one with primary cutaneous follicle center lymphoma, and two, with primary cutaneous marginal zone lymphoma.

Speaker 2: 32:42

These patients received photodynamic therapy using 20% ALA or MAL as photosensitizers, a four hour occlusion time, and now here we have the wavelength, six thirty nanometer wavelength at light at 37 j per centimeter squared, and all patients achieved complete remission after up to two photodynamic sessions.

Seth Holehouse: 33:06

Crazy.

Speaker 2: 33:06

With no significant side effects or pain. Now you'll start to get angry.

Seth Holehouse: 33:11

Well, because also you're quoting it. This is from an NIH article. I can see the link you have below. Yeah. This is research from NIH.

Seth Holehouse: 33:18

They're saying that all patients receive complete remission after up to two sessions with no significant side effects or pain. Yet, these are the same organizations that are saying, make sure you go get chemotherapy or radiation where there's a billion side effects, lots of pain, and, you know, it's actually a toss-up whether you can go in remission or not. I mean, it it's just crazy. Well, because the thing is is that, you know, red light therapy is something that is inexpensive, all things considered. Right?

Seth Holehouse: 33:51

And it can be done over and over and over again. So it's not like some some fancy chemo cocktail that's highly marked up in the first place, you know, financially. It's something that, you know, like, say some say someone's you know, say for instance for me, I set up a red light therapy, you know, in my basement. Right? Little little kind of, you know, with some panels and everything.

Seth Holehouse: 34:10

My family can go do it every day if we want to. My little kids can do it. Right? It's something that there's no you know, aside from the electricity that that, you know, kind of fuels it, it's it's just crazy. So, obviously, you can see, that these aren't treatments that can be patented and only distributed through the the the giant pharmaceutical insurance medical complex.

Seth Holehouse: 34:30

It just it's it's insane.

Speaker 2: 34:33

You got it. Now show that next slide so people can read it with their own eyes from the study itself. So you you can read that line there. We read it last like, you know, just before we got on here. Zoom in and

Seth Holehouse: 34:45

Yeah. So it says that here here it's saying that, so they're using they're using a six thirty nanometer wavelength light emitted by a diode lamp. Okay? It says all the treated patients had complete remission defined as a clinical and histologic complete absence of CBCL after a maximum of two photodynamic therapy sessions at a one week interval. No patient experienced particular side effects, and the pain was easily managed after the sessions.

Seth Holehouse: 35:18

And this is this is this is the n h NIH website. Right? This is the NIH article? Gosh. So here they're saying it's okay.

Seth Holehouse: 35:25

Anyway, I'll I'll I'm I'm just flabbergasted, but I'll I'll let you continue.

Speaker 2: 35:29

No. No. Exactly. No. I I appreciate your your understanding of how important that is and how these these these cancers, you know, people are dying from them.

Speaker 2: 35:42

And how is it possible that people could have two sessions, and and and it's it says up to two different sessions, which means that some people had one, and this B cell lymphoma, I mean, people are dying, and, you know, it's it's not okay. And but that's the importance of independent media. That's the that's the reason why people like you are standing head and shoulders above mainstream media and any news networks, that are not independent like yourself because you're actually talking about the truth, you didn't, you know, call up your pharmaceutical buddies to say, hey. Can we get Jonathan on to talk about this? Is that okay?

Speaker 2: 36:21

No. It's not okay. Alright. Sorry, Jonathan. Seth, why are you ghosting me, man?

Speaker 2: 36:26

I can't really talk about it. Like, that's just you know, that's the difference. Right? Let's have a look at the next slide then. Leukemia.

Speaker 2: 36:34

So every year, leukemia affects sixty two thousand people. Adults 20 account for more than ninety percent of instances in a which is, I think a lot of people think about that as mainly children, but it yeah. It's, primarily adults. In a 02/2019 study on the effects of photodynamic therapy on leukemia cells mediated by Killer Red, which is a genetically encoded fluorescent protein photosensitizer, proved that KiloRed and red light therapy effectively terminate leukemia cells such as k six two, five six two, n b four, and n a t h p one. Published in 02/2005, Kiloread is an intriguing red fluorescent protein.

Speaker 2: 37:13

It's derived from the anthoethicata species and possesses constitutive fluorescence, which means that it releases red light of its own initiative without the need for outside activation. So we're starting to now develop our vocabulary. Almost everyone that is talking about red light do not talk about photosensitizers. And and then the next question would be, like, where which are the ones that I can readily access that are really powerful across the board? And one of them is methylene blue.

Speaker 2: 37:41

So, yeah, there you got that. So methylene blue is readily accessible. It's cheap. You can then take it just before you go into your red light. Curcumin is another, which is from turmeric.

Speaker 2: 37:53

Another one is to take green tea matcha, even applying it directly on your skin. And then there's also the one that you would when I would say photosensitization or photosynthesis, you would say chlorophyll, and chlorophyll, it would be, like, touted as the first of photosensitizers. That's the first one because you see it in plant life, and it it allows it it's all connected to how the plant takes in the sunlight and the absorption of that sunlight into the plant. Think about yourself like a plant. Think about yourself absorbing light.

Speaker 2: 38:30

Now the biology classes that you got when you're a kid actually have some value in in actually saving your life. For those of you that are not scientists or science teachers, you learn that for a reason. It's for this moment right now. And, yeah, we can check out the next slide, and you can decide which which things you wanna jump in on here on, Seth. Let's see what we got.

Speaker 2: 38:57

And so, yeah, breast cancer. This is the one that and you've got a a powerful image there, showing a regeneration. And what you'll get from me is I'm I'm the one that wants to tell you everything to do, so it would be a % irresponsible for me to tell you, oh, only use this one therapy. Only use your red light. Only use this one supplement.

Speaker 2: 39:19

Only use this diet. I'm I'm here to tell you everything that I would do, not just one thing, which then makes everything else you're doing more effective. And so we're gonna show actually an example of somebody using chlorine dioxide breast cancer. So I want you guys to see that because that's a red light, I would argue, is like a free therapy because once you have a device, it doesn't cost you anything. So it then becomes cheaper than supplements.

Speaker 2: 39:40

If you'd show me the cheapest supplement bottle you could possibly buy, it's cheaper than that even with getting, like, a full body system and a full at home system with the whole array because, that arguably will last you a lifetime when you have that that supply. The bottle will last you, thirty days typically, and then you maybe then you know, then you have to assess the price of that over the next decade to even just get a a beginning to look at how much that's gonna cost you. So, you know, you compare red light. And then if you if I held up a supplement and said, look. Here here, this supplement can do these few things, like and we're about to show some slides.

Speaker 2: 40:21

We're going through all these different cancer studies. There's no supplement that I've ever found or even a whole batch of supplements that you could hold up and say, of these supplements do this, and here's the studies to show that it does this type of like, and, you know, here's an example. So so yeah. Just so people understand how to get value because you've got to be smart when you're making choices when it comes to your health and what you're going to purchase and not, and so that's a really good thing to keep in mind. So here's the breast cancer one.

Speaker 2: 40:48

Roughly two hundred and forty thousand cases of breast cancer are diagnosed in women in The United States. So four different red light wavelengths, six thirty, six 60, seven 30, and six fifteen nanometers. And so they're all in the red spectrum. If it went up to 810, then that would be near infrared. And if it went down to 500, that would fall into orange.

Speaker 2: 41:11

If it went down to 400, it would be blue. And so that's just interesting. So, you know, think of the sun and then also think of the rainbow, and they're all different, nanometers of penetration that cause a different color, and all of the different colors are actually helpful. Interestingly enough, the red is and near infrared are the most powerful, and we'll show that in detail here. But this is an example where these were used in the investigation.

Speaker 2: 41:37

Now did they all work? Were they all equally as good as each other? Well, unfortunately not, but fortunately, it it really doesn't matter because once you know this, then you know it, so then you can use this. Only the wavelength of six sixty nanometers was able to stop cell proliferation after twenty four hours by 40%. So does that mean that that would be preventative against breast cancer?

Speaker 2: 41:59

Am I allowed to say that? But you can do your own logical thought processes here to say, okay. If this can even stop a a breast tumor from proliferating and can by proliferation, we mean breast cancer is growing, growing, growing, growing. So then what happens if you either don't have it or you have a small lump or a bump and you stop it, and then it then that's the that's the key right there.

Seth Holehouse: 42:24

Yeah. Which is crazy because the thing about, you know, in a preventative standpoint, it's like, well, what if you just did red light therapy once a week? Right? Say you could do it at home. You did it once a week.

Seth Holehouse: 42:35

Right? Even me, I don't have cancer. But who's to say that something won't develop in in ten years? You know, I grew up in a a farming community. They I grew up with them spraying, you know, Monsanto chemicals in the farm field right behind our house.

Seth Holehouse: 42:49

So who knows? But it's yeah. It's a good point to look at the preventative nature. Now you'd mentioned that we had some pictures that we we were gonna show of I think it was it was using CDS. Is that correct?

Speaker 2: 43:01

Yeah. Correct.

Seth Holehouse: 43:02

Yeah. So I'll I'll give us a quick warning is that these are these pictures are a little bit graphic. They're pictures of of of cancer. Right? Open wounds.

Seth Holehouse: 43:09

So if you're squeamish, you can close your eyes. I I won't play, you know, disgusting sounds you're gonna force you to listen to, but so if you wanna close your eyes. So here's the image that we wanted to to bring up. Now walk us through is this one person's journey? Is this a single person?

Speaker 2: 43:26

Of course.

Seth Holehouse: 43:27

Okay. Starting in the top left.

Speaker 2: 43:29

Top left. Correct.

Seth Holehouse: 43:30

Yeah. It goes down to the bottom right. Yeah. So what are we seeing here?

Speaker 2: 43:35

Yeah. Sure. So you're seeing a breast, and, obviously, they've sensed it out the the nipple. And what what has happened here is you you've got a tumor that has, you know, either come out of the body or you've got and clearly, you can see this malformation that's happening where the the cells are not forming properly, and and then the body is going through this rapid self healing. And so it which is amazing to think about.

Speaker 2: 44:05

Like, if you look at those images, what comes to mind probably for most people is when they've had a cut or a wound, and then they it's just been expected that that cut or wound is gonna heal, and you'll see what you'll see in, eight and nine in those images where that's the kind of supple regeneration. So you see new fresh skin, which is kind of like they say, smooth as a baby's bottom. And that's what you want to have when you're regenerating and healing from any type of disease. You want yourself to regenerate. And this is a really fascinating concept to realize that every organ in your body will replace itself.

Speaker 2: 44:45

And so you'd say, Yeah, well, I got a bad heart. And I'd be like, Well, why? Because what you really mean to say is you've had a bad heart every year because it's regenerated. Every cell of your heart is new from one year to the next, and then you go through all the other organs. This was even a shock to me.

Speaker 2: 45:07

I just didn't realize how regenerative we were and how everything replaces. And so now, which is part of the issue which we discussed last time, we talked about the fact that what happens when your body can't fully make that transition and the regeneration is not happening properly when your body now is trying to then the unhealthy cells have to die off and give rise to the new healthy cells, and they are then adapting and they're forming a stem cell is then forming into a normal healthy cell, and it's becoming a heart cell. It's becoming a liver cell. When those transitions aren't happening properly, that changing, it it it's now frozen in time. It's stuck.

Speaker 2: 45:42

It's become a cancer cell. It's what we refer to as a cancer cell, which is actually just the Chinese star sign, by the way. It's not a very it's not a scientific term. It's more of a mythological concept, and that cancer is the crab that grows and doesn't stop growing. And when someone says the word cancer, it's basically admitting that they don't know what it is, and they're saying it's just that thing that grows and doesn't stop growing, which is just what happens when your body is misfiring and it's not having the cells have what they need to fully become what they need to be.

Speaker 2: 46:17

And then whether you have cancer or whether you're seeking preventative measures, what you're doing is if you fuel your body with what it needs, then you see things like you see in that image. So this is another example, and in this case, it's using sodium chloride and hydrochloric acid or citric acid. And chlorine dioxide, people may have heard of it maybe for getting rid of parasites, which it does, but maybe aren't familiar with it, that it works with cancer therapies. And, doctor Andres Kalka out of the Guadalajara clinic in, down in Mexico has found by the way, I just saw a boat come in here from the Dominican Republic, this morning, and, you know, people were trying to escape communism. So it's all very sad because and that, yeah, these people often die on the boats and things like that.

Speaker 2: 47:06

I just saw that this morning, by the way. It just kinda flashed through my mind. But what has happened here is that you have a sixty, seventy percent remission rate for cancer compared to the three percent with chemotherapy, conventional methods. And so they're reporting sixty to seventy percent. Much better results using the chlorine dioxide, and what they're doing is, like, I've actually got it in here, it's hard to kind of, you could just see it's a slightly yellowish tint, and that's the sodium and chloride, which, again, no chlorine molecules, but the it's activated and forms a chlorine dioxide compound.

Speaker 2: 47:49

When this is drank throughout the day, every couple of hours, and then it's listed as protocol c in the book, you know, forbidden health, they're seeing that they're getting a 10,700,000 oxygen molecules for every single red blood cell in the body, so you're flooding your body with oxygen molecules. And, it's actually working there's some crossovers, but red light is working in a different way because it's it's interesting because this is salt. And what does the bible tell us when it says of what we should be in the world? It says that we should be the light of the world and the salt of the earth. They're the two main things described to have been, and it says specifically be the light of the world.

Speaker 2: 48:34

And if a light is hidden, then, you know, it does not have its value or so forth, and then put it on a heel so it can be seen by all. And then be the salt of the earth. If the salt has lost its savor, it's good for nothing but to be trodden underfoot. And then you look at Genesis one light preceding all things. So I do believe in putting all these things together.

Speaker 2: 48:52

Now chlorine dioxide is basically a free therapy. Why would I do red light in conjunction? Well, the reason why is, to me, you need to activate these types of things, and it's better. And then if you look at the fact that if you have a sixty to seventy percent remission rate of cancer, what about the thirty to forty percent of people that don't make it, and how much is your life worth to you, and which side are you on? And so I really believe that it's so important that when people learn about things and they have the ability to access them, they they have the responsibility to themselves and their family to actually do it and to put it in their body and to let those things work in their lives.

Speaker 2: 49:33

We're skipping often things that are most important to us and our lives and everything that Keeping up with the Joneses somehow became the most important.

Seth Holehouse: 49:47

Then

Speaker 2: 49:47

instead, people then have lost the opportunities there to take care of their health and put that as priority, and people are not correctly prioritizing their health and those types of things. And so for me, that's what's beautiful about these types of things. Then people then often will put a lot of energy into the cosmetic stuff, but the upside with that as well is that red light therapy is very powerful for the cosmetic aspects of life, and it means that you can avoid Botox and these types of things because it's going to work better for the wrinkles over time. Like, Botox will be more immediate, so then you'd say, yeah. We're sure that one's better, but but over time, red light is much better, and and then it doesn't bring, in this case, the botulism toxin, which is a venom into your body type of venom.

Seth Holehouse: 50:40

Which is just crazy. That's a doctor Artis, as much as he was mocked for talking about that, it it's proven to be true. So Yeah. Kinda jumping back into this, you know, so we looked at the the breast cancer slide. Right?

Seth Holehouse: 50:51

And then we have, the the research. Right? In vitro anti breast cancer studies of LED red light therapy through autophagy. So what is what what's the key information here we should be paying attention to?

Speaker 2: 51:02

Yeah. Well, it's it was, the thankfully, it was in the previous slide. Right? So go back, and then you'll see here, like under TMF micrographs, cells revealed. Did you read that last line?

Speaker 2: 51:15

Cells revealed that red light at six sixty nanometers induced autophagy in breast cancer cells, which led to the development of antiproliferative activity. So that's the mechanism, and and which is what's detailed in the next slide. It's just like a proof in

Seth Holehouse: 51:28

Oh, I see.

Speaker 2: 51:29

Okay. Of what we put.

Seth Holehouse: 51:30

Yep. And let's we have few more slides to look at here. Check it out. So lung cancer. Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 51:36

So what's happening with lung cancer?

Speaker 2: 51:38

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. So, like, great title for this study. A 2020 saw the publication of shining light on a malignant lung cancer. The Nagoya University conducted research on the potential application of red light therapy as a treatment for malignant pleural mesothelioma, a rare form of lung lining cancer.

Speaker 2: 51:58

In one stage of the trial, near infrared light was placed on tumor areas causing the cell membranes to rupture and ultimately leading to cell death. I r 700 is a photo absorber that was utilized in conjunction with an injection of cancer of a cancer targeting chemical. So then you've got, in this case, something that if you don't have that issue, you're not gonna get that particular therapy. Those that want to pursue this and they know now about the literature, they can go get this particular compound. But the the key there is looking at how you replicate these things and do them preventatively.

Speaker 2: 52:35

You could eat certain foods that have that ability to absorb the light, photo absorbers, photosensitizers that are sensitive to light, which leafy greens even are high in that list, by the way, because think about it. They they, the leaves soak in the light and transport that into the plant, and, so they so they're amazing, as well. So now people are gonna start getting really interested in helping their health, and after hearing that, you got a little bit more interested in your leafy greens. Right? And eating them raw, obviously, versus cooked, it's going to have more of those photosensitizing compounds.

Speaker 2: 53:13

So we're getting back to the Garden of Eden, was every fruit of the tree was for for food, every herb yielding seed, was was for food. So a study published in PubMed or on PubMed in 2021 found that photobiomodulation produced an overall response of about eighty seven percent and enhanced patient quality of life, and it showed to be an effective substitute for palliative chemotherapy or radiation in cancers, in cases of incurable lung cancer. Yep.

Seth Holehouse: 53:42

Incredible. Incredible. And here's the here's the study

Speaker 2: 53:45

for that

Seth Holehouse: 53:47

from the Journal of Cancer. Yeah. It's just crazy that all these studies exist. It's like they're all out there, but no one pays attention. No one I mean, it's not like it's not like it's people's fault.

Seth Holehouse: 53:57

Right? And that's also a lesson of this is just that, you know, we have to be compassionate to ourselves and to others and realize that we were born into a world of lies. We were taught lies from a very young age, cause our parents were taught lies. So, you know, my parents, if I was sick as a kid, they take me to the pediatrician. The pediatrician says, okay.

Seth Holehouse: 54:17

Here's an antibiotic, or here's, you know, whatever it is you need, and, yes, you trust the doctor. But so we have to just remember that, that we were born into this, and so we can't be upset with ourselves for not knowing this stuff. And maybe we've made mistakes. Maybe we got vaccines or had procedures we didn't wanna when we have done. But, you know, what we're learning now, is the most important thing.

Speaker 2: 54:38

Yeah. Absolutely. Surprisingly, red light can get venoms out of the body as well. There's published studies on that, and red light can get parasites out of the body. So, again, I would still like I say that, but I would still say, I'm backing Brian on the on the nicotine, I believe, in in that, in the EDTA, in the, you know, by the way, this works incredibly well for long COVID and COVID vaccine injuries, and there are cases of people getting, massive, improvements in their symptoms.

Speaker 2: 55:12

And as even backed in clinical studies, which is surprising, so we focus more on cancer this time. Perhaps we'll do that another time where we we talk about the published studies on COVID and long COVID with red light. The the fact that they even exist amazes me, and that also has a double effect, whereas people have had an issue post COVID, and and then others are having an issue post COVID vaccines. In both cases, extremely effective. But you you combine these types of therapies, and then you get the best results.

Speaker 2: 55:47

And and there are some people that have have learned it all, and they're trying it all, and maybe that's the person watching right now. Maybe that's you. And then it's about looking at what have you missed and what do you need to combine to get the best possible results. Let's see what the last couple of slides have there for us. Let's see.

Seth Holehouse: 56:08

Okay. So

Speaker 2: 56:11

K. Yeah. Red light wavelength for lung cancer. Lung cancer is the leading cause. Okay?

Speaker 2: 56:16

So surpass, yeah, so it surpasses colon, breast, and prostate cancers combined. That's shocking, so people getting ahead of this is really important. Due to limitations of conventional treatments and the frequent failure of remission, researchers are exploring new approaches. Photodynamic therapy is an advanced treatment method that selectively destroys cancer cells through reactive oxygen species production using red or near infrared range light from six fifty to 800 nanometers. This review, photodynamic therapy of lung cancer, where we are, explores the current status and future potential for lung cancer treatment, highlighting its promising results.

Speaker 2: 56:58

And we'll look at the next slide there. And, yeah, continue on. And this and this study here on bone cancer and bone density is is really important because a lot of people like, they're this is where people lose their quality of life. They have a fall in their later years, and then they either lose their life or they they have these fractured bones. And so everything else maybe would have worked well for them, but their bone density was the big issue that basically meant that they were kind of consigned to a bed or a wheelchair when they didn't have to be.

Speaker 2: 57:34

And so there there are very good studies on bone density. And if you got a red light and shone it against like a like a cow bone or something like or whatever bone, you'll see that it'll actually penetrate through the bone, and you can see the red light through the other side of the bone, and so you can actually see it, which is really, great, and it's obviously backed in studies, not just in, people, like, doing these experiments. A 2019 study that was published online demonstrated that when near infrared light was irradiated by the bone, tumor cell viability was significantly reduced. This study concludes that near infrared is a highly effective treatment for cancer inside the bone. Inside the bone, right?

Speaker 2: 58:14

When people get told the news that they've got cancer inside the bone, that's kind of when it's almost like the bell of death has been rung, and it doesn't sound good for a lot of people. So to know that these things are working and combining the therapies, again, I would still be doing therapies like chlorine dioxide. I talked about urine therapy last time. That would take me longer to explain why that's so powerful, but if people think I'm crazy, just remember babies constantly drink urine in the womb, and the the so there is therapeutic benefits, and there are different ways to do it.

Seth Holehouse: 58:46

Interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 58:49

Yeah. You've have you heard have you you've heard that. Right?

Seth Holehouse: 58:51

No. I haven't. No.

Speaker 2: 58:54

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Babies drink they it's the urine in the womb that forms the lungs of the baby at eight weeks. It's it's referred to as amniotic fluid, and people are paying an arm and a leg for that amniotic fluid to get the stem cells from them.

Speaker 2: 59:11

But the reason why the stem cells in them are in them because it's cultured urine. And this is like a huge cover up, or just yeah. Shall we say cover up? Urine derived stem cells were only discovered in 02/2008, so people just don't even know. But, yeah, babies are drinking like, they're getting thousands of chemicals through the umbilical cord, hundreds that have been proven and documented.

Speaker 2: 59:35

So how is the the the bay yeah. How how does the baby survive this? The environmental working group found 287 of the 400 tested chemicals, and they found that they they had 287 in the umbilical cord. So it's going straight through the baby. If babies dump waste through their urine and now it drinks it, what's gonna happen is it's gonna continue to compound.

Speaker 2: 59:58

And then of those, well, how bad were the chemicals? Well, 180 were proven to cause cancer. Two hundred were proven to cause brain deformations and birth defects. So why would the baby now dump, why would God make it so that we would then dump the urine out and then he drinks it, it urinates every one to three hours, and he drinks hundreds of milliliters per day in the womb? And the answer is this, it's the way the body self signals.

Speaker 2: 01:00:22

Your body produces metabolic products through the urine, through the kidneys, which are purification agents, their filters. That's why urine comes out translucent. It's because it's actually a purification process, and it's giving you thousands of molecule metabolites and signaling mechanisms that the body uses to identify and to remove those, and that's the reason why babies thrive in the womb. It was the urine that was found, the Wake Forest study, which was an NIH grant. NIH didn't make the decision to do the study, but they gave the grant.

Speaker 2: 01:00:57

The Wake Forest then found 140 stem cells in an adult urine sample when cultured for three weeks, just airtight flask, culture medium urine itself is a culture medium. It take me I can explain that. It's just got all the constituents that culture mediums need, but it it proliferated into a hundred million stem cells. A hundred million stem cells that were had the same similar immunotype phenotype as a bone marrow stem cell, and and they're they're completely regenerative. So, anyway, that's just mind blowing to to know that.

Seth Holehouse: 01:01:31

So here's the real question, Jonathan. What's really in that cup that you're drinking?

Speaker 2: 01:01:35

Oh, yeah. I know. Once it says it, it was a little bit yellow. Look. I would I would do urine, I would drink my urine here on camera.

Speaker 2: 01:01:43

I just don't have it in front of me. This is chlorine dioxide, but I I would I would do it on camera. I've done it a bunch. And there there's one video that got, like, close to 9,000,000 views that I where I was talking about putting on skin for cosmetics. And then some people said, well, here's mister urine face.

Speaker 2: 01:01:58

I can't take him seriously anymore. I'm like, Look, I don't know if you can take yourself seriously because you did this as well in the womb for nine months, and as soon as you came out, you got brainwashed that it was toxins and waste. Meanwhile, every kind of medication, like main categories are all made using urine, derivatives, everything from urea, urokinase, and Premarin, murine, ear infections, eye infections, yeah, blood clotting. Urea is used as an anticancer agent. Urukinase is used as an anticancer agent.

Speaker 2: 01:02:32

They're all from urine. Urine is the single most studied substance in modern medicine, and there are companies that are profiting billions of dollars from urine like Air Sorrento, which they made 892,000,000 1 calendar year using selling postmenopausal women's urine to women trying to fall pregnant. That was back in '92. And the women volunteered. They were giving their urine.

Speaker 2: 01:02:55

The women that were paying for it were paying $1,400 a treatment. It was making them fall pregnant. If you look at the Tibetan cure for infertility, it was couples drinking each other's urine. So I don't wanna get too deep down the rabbit hole there, But the bodies balance each other's systems out somehow, and it started yeah. Anyway.

Seth Holehouse: 01:03:14

Crazy. Well, I wanna, as we're wrapping up, I I wanna hit one last slide, which I thought was really important in showing the red light therapy wavelengths. And and I'm not just, you know, I would love to do a show on urine. I'm it's fascinating. Right?

Seth Holehouse: 01:03:30

And so the crazy thing is is that people will be like, oh my gosh. You would do that? And it's like, they're the same folks who are putting chemotherapy into their veins. You know what I mean? So it's like nowadays, I've become not so open minded that I'm gonna fall for anything, and, you know, I still do a lot of research, but I've understood that a lot of what is true is the stuff that almost seems the opposite of what they want us to believe.

Seth Holehouse: 01:03:52

So, anyway, we'll do a show on that.

Speaker 2: 01:03:54

We gotta do it, man.

Seth Holehouse: 01:03:56

So, anyway, so this this slide right here, this I found to be very helpful in showing it's like, gosh. You know, how could red light therapy help the bones? Right? It just hits your skin. So explain what what we're seeing here.

Speaker 2: 01:04:07

Yeah. So it's based on the color, then you can work out how deep it's going. And the and the and the other thing to consider here is that deeper is not necessarily better. It can be. The issue with and then some people will say, well, I've got a I've got an infrared sauna, which is using far infrared.

Speaker 2: 01:04:28

And so you're out of the game. You're basically blowing through all of this, and it's not registering. So it's not even classed or understood to be really like a light therapy. It's more of a heat therapy. So it's good in that it raises a core body temperature.

Speaker 2: 01:04:41

But, basically, imagine that you're dealing with the thousands of nanometers now, like 3,000, four thousand nanometers. You're, like, basically shooting past the body. It's like you missed. Whereas in this case, you're like, if I say 810 nanometers, that's eight eight that 8.1, millimeters as an example. So that's the that's the conversion.

Speaker 2: 01:05:07

So when you hear nanometer versus a millimeter. And then, by the way, picometer, which chlorine dioxide, now you're talking about, like, a couple of hundred picometers and a thousand picometers and nanometer. So also think about, like, there are there are amazing things. Like, when when they're small, they can penetrate cells and go through cells and deliver information at a cellular level. And, but this nanometer of penetration, it's interesting that, like, we we went through and showed that the six thirty, and so you could you don't have a, like, a line where the yellow is around 600 there, which, and you get six thirty, six six six sixty, six 30.

Speaker 2: 01:05:44

That's technically like an orange light. So we call it red, but it it technically would fall into the orange. And so then you could see imagine a line there getting about halfway in. For whatever reason, when the red light gets into this this, layer, that's where it's communicating with the breast cancer cells and whatever cells and functions regulate that process at that length. And so there's there's reasons why these certain different penetrations are responding really well with the body.

Speaker 2: 01:06:14

And then the blue light is more so it goes just into the epidermis, and it's for the you know, that's for various, functions like acne and scar reduction. And we can flash up a slide on this because that would be the, like, the last great thing to share, I think. And then the the 700 with the dermis and then the 800 with the near infrared, not far infrared, and now you're getting to the subcutaneous layer. And there's lots of different functions that you're influencing in the 800 range, which will show that range from anything from tinnitus to asthma to also different cancer, cases, etcetera.

Seth Holehouse: 01:06:50

Yes. I'll I'll I'll pull those slides up real quick. Right? That that's the chart that we we looked at? Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 01:06:55

Okay. Yeah. Let me get to that, and then and then we then we'll be we'll be wrapping up after that. We have a few more things to go over, but we're almost there. Yeah.

Seth Holehouse: 01:07:04

So okay. Here, you've got and I'll just I'll go through this kinda quickly as you want me to. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

Seth Holehouse: 01:07:09

So here's another this is a helpful slide. Right? Again, showing you can see actually that starting at roughly, you know, 700, 8 hundred or so, you you started getting into bone Yeah. And interior tissues. So okay.

Seth Holehouse: 01:07:26

So walk us through what does this mean?

Speaker 2: 01:07:27

Absolutely. And so then you've got, like so six thirty, six 60, eight 10, eight 50, they're all scoring for all the conditions you see there, weight loss, fat burning, cellulite reduction, metabolism. So that should be exciting for people. Same now with antiaging acne scars rosacea in both these red and near infrared spectrums and continue. Hair growth, look.

Speaker 2: 01:07:51

If you're wanting hair growth, then you should have a device that has six sixty nanometers in it, and that's gonna be very effective. There may be other ones that are effective, but certain studies are showing that that one is the is is a good one. Sun damage, all categories, wrinkles and fine lines, droopy eyelids, under eye circles, broken capillaries, scoring in all categories, including eight ten, eight 30, and eight fifty, which are all near infrared. And then pain relief, not in six thirty, but in the rest, all the way up to nine eighty, including nine forty. So these are wavelengths that are less utilized.

Speaker 2: 01:08:24

People often don't know about them, but they're very popular and helpful wavelengths in the studies themselves. Wound healing, six thirty all the way up to nine eighty. Injury healing, six thirty up to nine eighty. And think about all disease like wound healing, by the way. Think about cancer, like wound healing that you once you start thinking like that, you start thinking, well, how do I supply the body with what it needs versus just try to kill everything?

Speaker 2: 01:08:45

And then then you're looking at, okay. Well, I'm gonna get light exposure or, you know, red light and near infrared. I'm gonna use chlorine dioxide solution. I'm gonna use different things to detoxify the body. I'm gonna remove parasites.

Speaker 2: 01:08:55

I'm gonna put leafy dark leafy greens in and all different types of raw enzymes and, you know, various photosensitizing agents, etcetera, etcetera. Muscle building here is at 06:30 all the way up to nine eighty, but not 10:60. And so you can see where they all score athletic performance, post recovery workout, mental stamina, cognitive performance, and so at ten sixty scoring there. Then asthma at six sixty and eight ten, depression, anxiety at six thirty and eight ten, tinnitus at eight ten, arthritis in all listed categories there, and multiple sclerosis at six thirty. And then I think you'll see some blue light here.

Speaker 2: 01:09:29

There's an amazing one, stem cell regeneration. People are spending tens of thousands of dollars in stem cell regeneration. Why not get a device that will generate the stem cells in your body, meaning that it will attract the stem cells to those areas? So there's a study that shows an 80% reduction in heart muscle scarring using red light because what it's doing is it's attracting the stem cells there. So and then then it's causing them to mature and then form into heart cells.

Speaker 2: 01:09:56

So it's it's way better when you think about it and way cheaper because you may be injecting all these stem cells, pen spending like, and I've done that. I probably spent a hundred thousand dollars on stem cells. And, you know, between myself, my wife, my father, and trying to help them with different things, sometimes they work, sometimes they didn't. Most cases, I found that they they didn't. And and it's because of the issue with the maturation.

Speaker 2: 01:10:19

You need light and the materials that cells need to convert. And, and so here's a great example. So way cheaper, way better, you know, arguably. And then fertility, sperm mobility, herpes, cold sores, genital. Go back one slide.

Speaker 2: 01:10:35

Just remember what the last couple were there. Hypertension, Parkinson's disease, eight ten, liver function. Liver function, if you can repair your liver, then you can expect lots of good things in your life. It really, liver health is everything, especially whether you're fighting cancer or any other chronic disease, and that's at 06:30 and 08:10. And then let's see the last couple there.

Speaker 2: 01:10:54

And I think maybe this is the last one here. Next one. And then four eighty, which is acne, circadian rhythm, skin rejuvenation, wound healing, and autophagy. So that's that's everything at the at the four eighty.

Seth Holehouse: 01:11:06

Incredible. So the the question that I have, right, so people that are watching it, if they made it this far, is where do you get these things and how expensive because I mean, we're used to medical things, especially like this being tens of thousands of dollars. I'm sure that there are some. Right? That if you go to some, you know, really high end medical spa, they might have the, you know, the cutting edge.

Seth Holehouse: 01:11:27

But is this stuff that's that's accessible that I mean, even with today's grocery prices and inflation, that there there are some some options? Or and and what's that look like? Where do folks go for that?

Speaker 2: 01:11:39

Yeah. Absolutely. Those those are really important things because it doesn't matter how good a therapy is. If people can't reach it, then I'd I'd just, you know, really be the most disappointing guy on the planet telling people about these great studies that no one can really access. But the good news is that they are highly accessible because of the prices actually, now, thankfully, being being accessible to people.

Speaker 2: 01:12:05

And arguably, the the the mega expensive units, that are are not as good, and here's why. They the mega expensive units that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, they're not as good be because of this reason, because you have to drive to a clinic that has it. You have to wait in line. You have to continue to pay, and nobody can get then enough of the sessions, whereas if you have it in your home, you'd be getting daily treatment. Funny enough, a lot of that can be solved, like if you say, well, this has more power, so then the answer is then stand closer.

Speaker 2: 01:12:38

Or, okay, well, this has more power, then stay there a little bit longer. And so now you've solved that problem. Now you got it in your home. Now you didn't spend a hundred thousand dollars. You spent a couple hundred dollars or you spent, you know, like, you know, $1,400.

Speaker 2: 01:12:53

Whatever you spent, it was accessible now to you, and that's what's really powerful. And so what we did, Seth, is that because of my research and my desire and passion to help people with these issues, was that I wanted to make it accessible for people, and I wanted to give people the devices that were able to then get the right wavelengths so that people could get healing and actually could experience what they were reading in their studies. And one thing I had to give as a disclaimer as well is that, you know, I'm not here intending to treat, cure, or prevent any disease. It's like a kind of legal requirement. Right?

Speaker 2: 01:13:32

So and then the other thing is as well that we've read lots of different studies on various different types of, you know, devices being used, and lots of them potentially only using one different type of wavelength and that type of thing. And so for all those different reasons, the devices here are not the same as in the studies because they're they're often in these, like, clinical settings, and so people have to make that distinction. The question is, though, when people are making these assessments, what are the wavelengths and what's the irradiance level? The irradiance is the amount of power delivered. And so what we did was we matched the studies, and we we put, like, over 200 milliwatts per centimeter squared at at a three foot, you know, level so that you would be getting the amount of power that you would need to replicate what we're learning in the studies.

Speaker 2: 01:14:24

And and people are getting tremendous results with these devices, Seth. And so what we've done is we, as well, to support you and your community, is to make a special available to them because which which is something I I was telling you when we're offline. Like, we literally did give the biggest discount we ever have, and it was just out of, you know, passion for, you know, what we're doing here, your heart, your interest in, like, getting people better, your audience. I know that they love you, and they there's there's that real loyalty there. And so I just wanted to do everything I could to support you with that.

Speaker 2: 01:14:57

And so we've done a really special discount there as well. And and, again, getting back to the science of it, we shared all these different wavelengths from $4.80 all the way up to $10.60. And what we did is these devices will have actually all of those wavelengths. And I I researched some that were in the $5,060,000 dollar range using those wavelengths, and we've made it, like, available so that, like, literally everyone can afford it. And one of the things we did as well was make it available on payment plans so people can use Affirm.

Speaker 2: 01:15:28

You buy now, pay later, and all these types of things so that you could span it out. And so people will spend a lot less, by by doing that using a payment plan than if they were trying to do red light therapy, going to a clinic, spending, you know, a hundred dollars a session, those types of things. Mind you, people could you know? And then everyone can play when you look at the devices that are really just super inexpensive. You could put a put it around you know, use the belts.

Speaker 2: 01:15:54

And you could even show the screen there, Seth, if you like, at myredlight.com. And, yeah, so we'll go there. So, yeah, myredlight.com, and you can scroll down and show people. And and, again, like, we can talk all about all these studies, and and it's amazing, and you'll continue to continually hear me educating on this. But unless you actually do it, it's all theory.

Speaker 2: 01:16:18

Right? So I want you to get the results, and I want you to be able to use these technologies. And so you can use precision devices like a hat. We've seen people, yeah, have these amazing results with stopping their hair from falling out and then having their hair regrow. You look at the studies, it shouldn't be a shock.

Speaker 2: 01:16:36

Then masks for fine line wrinkles and all the different cosmetic aspects and inflammation. Some of which, I mean, you look at one of the images we showed last time was carcinoma, where people were having these horrific cancers on their face. Like, let's just get red light onto our faces more often, and so you got precision devices for that, then a belt there, which you can put on anywhere in your body, and you can keep scrolling down. And, and that that's actually you'll see it in the video as well on the page. It's actually a lot bigger than what it says you could see in that image because it's just to scale.

Speaker 2: 01:17:08

Well, it's not to scale. It's, you know, just to fit into the image, but it it'll, like, span over most of your you know, it's, you know, about that wide and kinda wraps right around. So it's it's very effective. And then you'll see here all the different wavelengths in the full body panel, and we did a really special thing there where people can save. Like, you can see what you're saving.

Speaker 2: 01:17:26

And then on top of those savings, you're gonna get the a discount on top of all of that, which is the SEF 10 coupon code, which should then drop 10% off, which is a big saving if you look at some of these packages. And then that one comes with the supplements as well, so that's just a free gift. So you'll get it with all of that. And what that means is, like, you're learning about photosensitizers. You're learning about these compounds to do at the same time, and we wanna just jump start you and give you a great program that's comprehensive.

Speaker 2: 01:17:54

At the end of the day, you don't want just, you know, to be messing around and going around in circles. You wanna get better, you wanna have the best health possible. So we threw everything into this and just gave it away as a free gift. We threw it threw in a free stand belt. And, again, that with the image on the far right there and the supplements and the absolute healing program there, which has everything in it.

Speaker 2: 01:18:15

And and then you've got, like, some of our best bundles there as well, which come with everything. And so with these targeted devices, some of them are perfect for traveling with. And then you can turn them all on as well. If you've got, like, two of the panels, like the smaller panel and the bigger panel, you can turn them on and you can have it on different areas of your body. For example, one on the freight, the front and one on the back.

Speaker 2: 01:18:41

And so there's lots of ways to set that up, and you've got the stands to do that. And then you've got all these amazing precision devices like, you know, I was you can keep scrolling down, you'll see some of these devices that go on various areas of the body. Like, for example, again, like, with these these here, keep going down. And then again, you can see for each device the amount that you're saving, which is great, and, like, how it's discounted already on the page in addition to the discount that you're about to apply. And then keep going down, and then, yeah, keep going down, and you'll see some more precision devices down here.

Speaker 2: 01:19:18

And then, yeah, you got the Affirm and PayPal to do a buy now, pay later, which can, you know, be broken into four payments or can be there you go. So knees. Right? So I just spent I did it twice with my dad and failed both times, and so that cost me around, you know, close to $20,000. And he or and then now here, you know, for near nothing, right, you're able to then, you know, put something on directly onto your knee and to do this stem cell regeneration in those areas specifically.

Speaker 2: 01:19:47

And I can tell you that my dad was just traveling with me. I took him to Kenya. We were doing famine relief there a couple months ago, and, flew him out to the Hope for Cancer Center in Cancun to help, like, a famous NFL player with his father-in-law. Don't wanna mention his name, but, and they had me consulting on the case to help with that. And I was flying him out everywhere, and he's he he was saying, I'm not my I don't have issues with my knee.

Speaker 2: 01:20:08

It was a combination of factors because I had him on the chlorine dioxide and all these different things, but I had him on the red light therapy. And so, you know, this one cost near nothing, and the other one, yeah, just kept costing, and I wasn't gonna stop. So if if I thought that the only solution was was the stem cells, I would have just kept going. You can keep scrolling down, and I just would have just kept blowing so much money. And so I'm I'm really glad for these therapies.

Speaker 2: 01:20:30

They do save money, and it's it's really great to get ahead of it. And the other thing is we've got a sixty day money back guarantee, so people can try it and see whether it gets all the benefits that they like and want. And and if it for any reason they're unsatisfied, they can get a full money back guarantee. They all their money refunded with with no questions asked. And so yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:20:48

And then you can scroll down. There's some master classes that they get. So all the teaching, the information. So people spend, you know, thousands of dollars on information. We're giving all of that for free in the bundle, which is, all of the on on suite of information there is worth, you know, a few thousand dollars there.

Speaker 2: 01:21:03

So we've given that away as a free gift so that people can get that information and training. You got some doctors that you're familiar with there, and some some really great, opportunities there. And so, you know, my big takeaway for everyone with this is what is your health well worth to you, and what would it mean to you to to get on top of your health and then to be able to prevent life threatening challenges in the future or to turn around whatever you're dealing with right now? What would that mean to you? And how do you use therapies like this to support your so my encouragement is to to to grab what we've got here and to take advantage of it because the difference in your life could be absolutely life changing, and it could help everyone around you.

Speaker 2: 01:21:43

And and then and then what, you know, what what value will that bring in your life? How will that save you money? You talked about your brother. And it's horrific to think of, like, such a such a horrible result and such a failure and malpractice and then such a astronomical bill, and it's just it's everything about that is so wrong. And and yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:22:05

And, anyway, I just wanna I'm I'm really sorry, man. That's just horrible.

Seth Holehouse: 01:22:09

It it is. But it it just you know, it's one of millions of stories of the same story. So which is why it's it's it's great to look at, you know, what you're doing, but not just this. I mean, there's there's a a dozen, you know, more major major, you know, different different ways of curing, and treating cancer. And and it it we're just this is just the tip of the iceberg, right, that that we're looking at, which is it's encouraging because, you know, we shouldn't be, of course, we're human beings.

Seth Holehouse: 01:22:36

Right? We die. Right? This body has a has a limit to it. Okay?

Seth Holehouse: 01:22:40

But we shouldn't be living in a constant, know, state of fear of, what if I get cancer? Oh, do I do I feel a lump or this? It's like, that's not how we should be living because it's like you're already half dead if you're if you're living in that fear. And so it's it's it's great what you're doing. It's great having you on.

Seth Holehouse: 01:22:57

And just to reiterate, so the website and the discount code I'll put in the description, but it's myredlight.com and Seth ten, s e t h ten, is a 10% discount, which actually makes a big difference. Mean, that that's a pretty substantial savings. So Yeah. Jonathan, it's been great having you. It's it's always I I look forward to doing more shows with you because, obviously, this is important information, but you're just you're really enjoyable talk to, and it's fun just to go back and forth.

Seth Holehouse: 01:23:23

And I'm I'm sure the audience really enjoys it as well. And do you have any any words as we're as we're kinda closing out here?

Speaker 2: 01:23:30

Absolutely. No. Thank you, Seth. Thanks for your kind words. I really appreciate you having me on and appreciate your spirit and your love for people and your your passion to make the world better, and it it it's really, really wonderful.

Speaker 2: 01:23:42

And, for everyone listening, I I appreciate you guys caring about your life and health and the health and livelihood of others in your circle, and I appreciate you for showing up and being a part of the solution by getting knowledge under your belt. You're making the world better by just even knowing this information. You have no idea how this is just knowing what you'd known right now, how many lives that could save and change. This is not my burden and responsibility. It's all of our burden and responsibilities.

Speaker 2: 01:24:10

Right? It's Seth's. Once Seth learned this from me, it then became became his burden of responsibility. He's now everyone that he ever get you know, every one of the cancers that we just went through in detail, anytime he ever hears about something like that, he will never be able to not say something, and he'll he'll he'll feel compelled. Like, hey.

Speaker 2: 01:24:28

Look. I just have to tell you this. Like, I don't I know that, you know, it's up to you what you're gonna do, but I just can't live with myself if I don't tell you this right now. And that's the kind of motivation that we we have. And so I just encourage you with that.

Speaker 2: 01:24:40

And and, again, you know, thank you also for seeing what we're doing. As you can see, my mission, my education, and and, Seth, what he's doing, it's furthered by people getting behind our work. And, and then we've put the best research into this. And so I stand behind what we're doing, the devices that we have formulated and manufactured, cut and and customized all, as the best in the industry. And based on based on, you know, looking at the clinical data, the PhDs and researchers that I worked with to have this delivered.

Speaker 2: 01:25:14

And so we've we've made that available so that you can get these results. And with these awesome discounts that Seth and I have made available, you have them here, and they're very limited time. Right? So if you're seeing this and you're enjoying this, make sure to grab it while it's available for you know, while we have inventory that lasts because there's such a demand, and people are so excited about this. So that's a huge factor.

Speaker 2: 01:25:36

So just, you know, make sure to grab that while we have inventory. And the other thing is as well that the codes and the discounts already on the page are are very limited time discounts. So keep an eye on that, and make sure that if you're if you're feeling, moved and compelled and you want that saving, grab it while it's available. Just my encouragement there because sometimes the difference between our lives changed and staying the same is just that decision making ability. And I'm I'm grateful, Seth, that I developed the ability to if I saw something that seemed like it would be, like, things lined up, and especially if I was backed, like, with a money back guarantee, I'd just say, you know what?

Speaker 2: 01:26:11

What if it does work? And, and I remembered one of the women that was most skeptical, Natalia Velocian, she was supposed to have both her legs amputated. She had 30 different specialists that were working on a case over the course of five and a half years. It almost sounds unbelievable. She spent $200,000.

Speaker 2: 01:26:27

And so her level of belief was about zero when somebody referred to her a series I did called autoimmune secrets. And then so she said, yeah. Okay. But these in this case, these formulas, I don't know if they could work for me, but but what if it did? And she actually did it without believing it would even work.

Speaker 2: 01:26:46

She just said, what would it hurt? And and then she actually put her conditions in remission. I flew out to see her, and her legs went from being gangrene and, like elephantiasis case to slim. She was mid sixties working out. I I've got all the images and footage.

Speaker 2: 01:27:02

It moved me so much, and anytime I felt discouraged, I always remembered her story. And she was somebody that didn't believe it was going to work, but then just said, well, what if it does work? And then and she was willing to then just try it. And her everything hung in the balance on her decision making ability just to say, I'm just gonna try this. And and so that's why I encourage people to do.

Speaker 2: 01:27:22

I don't want people to suffer, and I want people to jump over the edge and just go, what would it hurt, and what what value and benefit could it bring, and is that worth it? If it is, which I know that this is, then then then try it so that you can see what benefit comes into your life and see how it changes those the lives of those around you. So, again, thank you so much for having me, Seth.

Seth Holehouse: 01:27:41

Absolutely, man. Alright. So we're, we'll put the link and the code in the description for folks if they want, just as if they don't remember it. So, Jonathan, thank you. It's such a pleasure speaking with you.

Seth Holehouse: 01:27:53

Take care, man. God bless. Until next time. We'll see you then.

Speaker 2: 01:27:56

Welcome. Thanks so much, Seth.

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