Our B2B SaaS Journey

In this episode, Mitchell and Gavin make a $500 LinkedIn bet, share the infrastructure mistake that was slowing down every screen in SixSides, and unpack their plans to support global events, launch community features, and pursue an opportunity that could transform the business.

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Chapters
  • (00:00) - Wedding rings, swearing and podcast downloads
  • (03:49) - Fitness updates and the 100-kilometre ride
  • (08:35) - LinkedIn posting and the $500 impressions bet
  • (15:39) - Listener shoutouts and sending Nick his dice
  • (19:31) - Gavin’s first community leader interview
  • (22:08) - Too much work and growing DealBuddi
  • (24:26) - Building global infrastructure for SixSides
  • (38:31) - Android is complete and communities are next
  • (41:44) - Taking SixSides worldwide
  • (49:42) - Startup World Cup, Snitcher and the marketing website

In this episode, we cover:
  • Building consistent fitness habits while running a bootstrapped SaaS
  • Mitchell’s return to LinkedIn and the wedding post that nearly flopped
  • Gavin’s 13,000-impression LinkedIn post
  • The $500 LinkedIn competition running until the end of the financial year
  • Listener shoutouts for Ryan David, Varun Jain and Nick Taylor
  • Gavin’s first community leadership interview with Orange Sky founder Nic Marchesi
  • Growing DealBuddi while continuing to fund SixSides
  • Preparing SixSides for the World Police and Fire Games launch
  • Migrating the SixSides database from MySQL to PostgreSQL
  • Moving from PlanetScale back to AWS Aurora
  • Deploying infrastructure across Sydney, Germany, Singapore and North Virginia
  • Using synthetic canaries to test API performance around the world
  • Finding the unnecessary WorkOS request that was slowing down every screen
  • Reducing global API response times to under 500 milliseconds
  • Completing the Android redesign and supporting older iOS versions
  • Beginning development of SixSides community features
  • Piloting SixSides with the Global Entrepreneurship Network in Australia
  • Using a local-first strategy to grow a global event network
  • Why ProcurePro was the deserving Startup World Cup winner
  • Reviewing Snitcher traffic and the need for a stronger SixSides marketing website
  • Deciding whether to hire an external website designer
  • Using ChatGPT voice mode during longer fitness walks
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Creators and Guests

Host
Gavin Tye
Sales and Marketing and Co-Founder of SixSides
Host
Mitchell Davis
Developer and Co-Founder of SixSides

What is Our B2B SaaS Journey?

Join the SixSides.co team as we navigate the highs and lows of building a B2B SaaS company. From finding product-market fit to scaling sales and community-driven growth, we share real insights, tough lessons, and candid conversations about what it really takes to grow a successful SaaS business. Whether you're a founder, marketer, developer, or just SaaS-curious, this is your backstage pass to the journey.

Mitchell Davis:

Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, CTO and Laravel developer.

Gavin Tye:

Good day. I'm Gavin Tye, CEO, sales and marketing.

Mitchell Davis:

We are into year two of running a remote startup, sixsides.co, and it's a community led event platform. We're documenting both the business and tech of our journey as we build our SaaS. How are going, mate?

Gavin Tye:

Mate, very well. I just noticed your wedding ring while you were reading out the, yeah. Very mature.

Mitchell Davis:

Thank you. I wear it every day. I've worn it every recording since

Gavin Tye:

since I the don't see your arms really. Your hands. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. I don't I don't wear mine that often. It, just gets in the way of life.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Right. Okay. Interesting. What life is it getting in the way of?

Mitchell Davis:

Let's dig in.

Gavin Tye:

I don't know. I just don't wear it a lot because I, well, one, I don't know why I don't wear it. It's on the wrong hand. I get dermatitis under my finger sometimes. Like just don't like wearing something.

Gavin Tye:

Then plus if I go to the gym, that ring just mucks around with the bar, not, Hey, look at me. Not that I've been going to the gym a lot. I've been just starting now. I've been married

Mitchell Davis:

for

Gavin Tye:

ten years.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. It's a new excuse. Yeah. Yeah. I have a lucky,

Gavin Tye:

I have a lucky wedding ring. I have a, like the proper one and I have a rubber one, like an aura ring or whatever it is. The Oura rings, monitors your vitals, but a plastic one and a rubber one. And whenever I do some sporting one, I'll wear that and it reminds me of Mel, and it's a good luck chance. That's nice.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. It makes sense, right, To not have it, like, have a metal one when you're running and your hands are probably swelling and whatever. Like yeah. Yeah. No.

Mitchell Davis:

But anyway, yep. It's a daily driver. Even when I'm at home, I'll I'll wear it. I started when we first got married, I started wearing it, even to bed. And then one morning I woke up and my finger hurt and I was like, alright, stuff this.

Mitchell Davis:

I'm not wearing this while in case like, you know, your hands swell and stuff all through the night.

Gavin Tye:

That's right. I do remember I get like a little thing underneath my ring, like a little hard point and, I don't like it. So I, yeah, I don't know what it is. That's why I took it off. You just reminded me.

Gavin Tye:

So, yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

That's what you tell Mel. Yeah. You just kept in

Gavin Tye:

the way of me picking up, picking up

Mitchell Davis:

on the chair. When you're out on the town. Yeah. Oh, get a lump under my, under my ring. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

When I'm at the office picking up the office, ladies, I happen to work alone, so it doesn't really work.

Mitchell Davis:

No, it doesn't work.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Mate, I listened to the podcast, the other, like our last one, the beginning. Jeez. We let the swear words go.

Mitchell Davis:

Oh, no. Did get a

Gavin Tye:

little warning at the front.

Mitchell Davis:

Yes. So this week we're on best behavior. I wasn't gonna include though. No. I don't wanna we don't need to

Gavin Tye:

We had the most downloads of any day ever on on Tuesday from it.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Look. I don't know. The thing people like No. Here's the thing with downloads.

Mitchell Davis:

That doesn't make any sense.

Gavin Tye:

It does.

Mitchell Davis:

By the time no. Hear me out. By the time you hear the words, hey. We swore a lot in this episode, you've already downloaded. No.

Mitchell Davis:

No. No. No.

Gavin Tye:

No. No. Me tell you why it makes sense. Because they listen. They go, goddamn, these guys are fucking edgy.

Gavin Tye:

And then they go back and listen to past episodes and they go, oh, no. They're not.

Mitchell Davis:

Oh, no. They're just poses. Yeah. They were just on a hot day or something. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah. They were like, god, these guys are funny. And they talking about dicks

Mitchell Davis:

a bit. Well, I'm not trying to put another explicit

Gavin Tye:

one on

Mitchell Davis:

this one. No. Do that. No. So no.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. How are you, mate?

Mitchell Davis:

I'm good. I'm good. Let's let's start with a couple updates. So last week, I let's do fitness first. I started back up with the 75 medium slash hard challenge on somewhere in the middle there.

Mitchell Davis:

And I can report it's going well. So I've done six of the seven days I've gone out and done a walk. I didn't go out last night. It wasn't because I was lazy. It was for other reasons.

Mitchell Davis:

Nicole and I just needed a night where we actually had a beer and we watched a show that we like on the stage. So you failed? I didn't no. It was strategic. It was like, no.

Mitchell Davis:

This is no. Was. It was. It it was because we'd been out shopping. Nicole had been having a shitter of a day and we went out to the shops and we're hosting some friends over for her birthday's coming up soon.

Mitchell Davis:

So on the weekend we're hosting friends. It's a whole thing. Right? But anyway, we went out last night to the shops to get stuff for, this party. And then, I was like, hey, why don't we just watch this thing?

Mitchell Davis:

Do you want to just have a beer? Whatever. It was a, like, let's just calm calm things down. Right? So strategic.

Mitchell Davis:

It was. You could look. You could look at smugly like I failed. I have not failed. Saying show in myself when I have failed, and I did not.

Mitchell Davis:

This was strategic. So I'll be going out later today. Keep in mind also, did go for a half an hour walk in the daytime. I walked the dogs and I mowed the lawns yesterday as well. So I did exercise.

Mitchell Davis:

Alright, mate. Let's just

Gavin Tye:

led with that.

Mitchell Davis:

Let's get off the high horse here. You should've go out for a walk.

Gavin Tye:

You should have led with that by the way.

Mitchell Davis:

Well, no, cause it look anyway,

Gavin Tye:

it's fine. But there's a Worthington show on Netflix called I will find you. Are you watching that? No. And best show, best series I've watched in years.

Gavin Tye:

Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

Since Dan Wellington.

Gavin Tye:

Legend is pretty good.

Mitchell Davis:

You see, what's the one with the mail bomber? Unabomber something?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Haven't seen that.

Mitchell Davis:

You seen that one he was in? I thought he did really good in that. I really enjoyed Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

What's this one called?

Gavin Tye:

I will find you.

Mitchell Davis:

I will find you.

Gavin Tye:

Alright. Yeah. Cool. Legends on Netflix is really good too. It's amazing.

Gavin Tye:

That's, about British, customs back in the eighties. It was great.

Mitchell Davis:

Okay. What about you? Well, I went for

Gavin Tye:

a ride last Saturday, my preparation for the a 100 K ride. Yeah. It's just, it's so cold, like in the mornings. And, so, but I, I did a couple of hours and I'll go for another run tomorrow. One thing that I've been, cause I've got a whoop, and I've been watching my, recovery.

Gavin Tye:

They talk about recovery and if you're recovered and all this kind of stuff. I don't know if it's because I live here now and I'm like at this new house and I'm relaxed from it or whatever, but my green recoveries and my body is, bouncing back and going, it's way more greens than I've had in the last year, in the last three weeks.

Mitchell Davis:

And greens are good, right?

Gavin Tye:

Greens are good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Green's good.

Gavin Tye:

But I've also been running at least eight Ks a week as well. And then doing a run and going to the gym three times a week, which has been good. Today I lifted really heavy, which was good. Did 72 and a bit kilos above my head, like push press. So that was good.

Gavin Tye:

Great. Nice one. It's good on you. Yeah. If you ever if you ever need me to lift you above my head, as long as you're less than seventy two point five kilos

Mitchell Davis:

Well, as we talked about last week, no, I'm not. So we'd be struggling.

Gavin Tye:

We might need to get the ladder.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. No, look, it's been, my fitness has been good this week. I've, I've missed the day or so. Unfortunately just from laziness and cold. But I'm gonna go for a ride tomorrow morning as well and just go a little bit longer.

Gavin Tye:

Typically I'll just go, oh, that's 45 ks's. Okay. I can do 80 and, and that invariably hurts. So I just do 45 and then do 55 and keep getting closer to the ride. So

Mitchell Davis:

that's right. Cause it's in August. Right? So if you did it by, you got what, probably six weeks or something to go.

Gavin Tye:

Oh, I ride 60 or 70 Ks today.

Mitchell Davis:

So it's, it's not

Gavin Tye:

that hard to get to a 100. You just need to take your time.

Mitchell Davis:

So Yeah. Good one. Yeah. Well, I forgot to report. I have also been going to the gym not every day, but I've been twice this week and I'm going later today as well.

Mitchell Davis:

So it's good. It's good. Feels under control. Alright. So next thing to report, LinkedIn.

Mitchell Davis:

So I did post, and it's gone pretty well. So you can go check it out. There's there's a link to my LinkedIn in the show notes. But, yeah, I put one up a little tongue in cheek. I put up a wedding photo and I led with the title, what getting married taught me about B2B AI enabled software development.

Mitchell Davis:

And I thought this is this will be funny. And then, after that, I was like, you know, just kidding. And then I forget what I said. Two months ago, I got married to my best friend on the most perfect day, and it was awesome. Highly recommend it if you get the chance.

Mitchell Davis:

And initially, it, like, flopped. Within the first hour, I got, like, two likes, and I was like, man, people really don't like me or, you know, this hasn't resonated at all. I thought it was funny. Yeah. And then it's since gone well.

Mitchell Davis:

So it's got almost a thousand impressions. It's got 25 likes. And LinkedIn calls it 30 social engagements, which is the most, like, nonhuman way of putting that that they could possibly have done, I think. But, anyway, so I did it. So I've got you off my back.

Mitchell Davis:

I called you about it, and you were like, what did you say? You said it was was it lazy or something? Was it lazy post? And I was like, what are you talking about? I I spent time, like, thinking what's the funniest way I can put up, like, the post about

Gavin Tye:

post has been done to the a hole.

Mitchell Davis:

Has it? Well, not that I've seen.

Gavin Tye:

Don't I don't

Mitchell Davis:

see this stuff. I came up with that from

Gavin Tye:

first principles. So You're a trend set up, but just a a little bit behind the trend.

Mitchell Davis:

I'm a trend lagger. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

You're on the curve. You're on you're on a curve. I don't know.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. I'm on a I'm probably on a few curves.

Gavin Tye:

But you talked about batching. You you did you do that? No. Like sitting down and doing a few?

Mitchell Davis:

No. I haven't done that yet. But I told we you already knew that because we spoke about

Gavin Tye:

it yesterday. Podcast where the audience doesn't know that. This is part of the You

Mitchell Davis:

get to grill me twice about it. What I told you yesterday when you asked me this question, I said, as long as I'm posting once a week, it doesn't matter about what goes on behind the scenes to make it happen. You can't give me anything about it. So, I will post again next week and we'll just keep the ball rolling. So anyway, how's your posting episodes going?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah, they're going okay. They not as good as they were last week. I've had my biggest post last week.

Mitchell Davis:

Did it cross to 10,000?

Gavin Tye:

It was it's up to 13,000.

Mitchell Davis:

Oh my gosh.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Something like that. It doesn't, it didn't really do anything apart from just get traction because it was an interesting video or funny video. Didn't really result in anything that I could immediately see. But that's okay.

Gavin Tye:

I just wanna, to just get into the habit of doing some, like try to do some humorous things and stuff. So I did another one, tried to do another one, and it didn't quite work. But, but it's alright. It's all just practice. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

12,847. So, yeah, a couple of

Mitchell Davis:

re I get the feeling here's I've got a premonition. Right? I get the feeling one of the posts that I'll put up at some point will do, like, very well. Yeah. And then I'll be able to look like I'm talking like a 100,000 views or something.

Mitchell Davis:

Okay. And then I'm gonna be able to sit here smugly at some point and be like, mate, don't worry. Let me let me give you some tips.

Gavin Tye:

Oh, I hope that you do.

Mitchell Davis:

I could see that happening at some point. Who knows when? Maybe it never let's give it a year. If it hasn't happened within a year, then you you win the point. But it just feels like there's a 100 KA coming at some point.

Gavin Tye:

There's only one barrier that stops that from happening. Oh, I know. And Yeah. I don't know. What might that barrier be just out of curiosity?

Mitchell Davis:

Me not not wanting to pose because it's not the sort of thing I wanna do, but I just have a sense of like, I bet this will happen. And it would be so funny to me if in comparison, if I, like, 10 x'd your post, it just I don't know. It just feels like it could happen.

Gavin Tye:

Well, let's let's have a competition. And from this financial year, because we're only in Australia runs from July to January, June, whoever gets the highest single impression post takes the other one to dinner.

Mitchell Davis:

On the company card. Yes, sure.

Gavin Tye:

No, no, it's got to come out of our pocket. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Okay. Or or we send

Gavin Tye:

the other one to no. We send the other one to dinner, with their partner.

Mitchell Davis:

Oh, with their partner. Yeah. Okay. Are there any limitations on this? Because you are known over the past week or so of posting, like, things that are you know, are they strictly related to you versus just things in the public eye, like the SpaceX one and stuff like that?

Gavin Tye:

No. No. It's just the post.

Mitchell Davis:

Feels like there's an integrity thing here.

Gavin Tye:

Do you

Mitchell Davis:

mean? I just, maybe we should take this offline.

Gavin Tye:

No, let's not take it offline. So I did a course once on LinkedIn on YouTube. Right? And she talks about broader posts that go for more wider audience, and then you do a medium post and one for your target specific clients. Like, think about that.

Gavin Tye:

Look. If you wanna post something that's to do with the Indian election and or the Indian cricket team to get high impressions, knock your socks off.

Mitchell Davis:

Like Maybe throw in Trump in there or something

Gavin Tye:

like that.

Mitchell Davis:

There's a cheat code for you. I feel like you would do that. You could, you would are you the type? Would you you're not gonna throw any

Gavin Tye:

of You're that not stuff gonna political on my LinkedIn. Like there is no, although I did put, Albanese and, SpaceX. That was a little bit of political. Did you? Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

But no, no, I think look. Yeah. Hey, if you

Mitchell Davis:

yeah,

Gavin Tye:

let's just stop Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

All right. Now now this dinner, are there any limitations on it? $500. That's a lot.

Gavin Tye:

Could be dinner.

Mitchell Davis:

That's an expensive dinner.

Gavin Tye:

Well, it could be dinner in a, in a night in a hotel somewhere.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. Could be.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. It's worthwhile. Worthwhile paying attention because it'll sting a bit Like,

Mitchell Davis:

yeah, it would sting a bit. Okay. All right. Done. Virtual handshake $500 by July 1 next year.

Gavin Tye:

Yep. Sure. All right. Cool.

Mitchell Davis:

Done. We'll put it in the calendar after this. That's a bit of fun.

Gavin Tye:

Sure.

Mitchell Davis:

Alright. Shit. Better We

Gavin Tye:

could open it up to other listeners as long as they don't have a fucking 300,000 person following. And,

Mitchell Davis:

I don't wanna get anyone else involved in that way. We could build the pool. Oh, right. Right. Okay.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. They can donate money to this cause, but I don't wanna compete against anyone else.

Gavin Tye:

Anyway. So we have a cup speaking of that, we have a couple of shout outs this week.

Mitchell Davis:

Yes. Yes, we do. Alright. Why don't you lead it?

Gavin Tye:

So I'll shout out to Ryan David. He's joined the Problem Led Growth Community. He found that through the podcast. So he's a he's a SaaS founder out of Brisbane. He's a has a data agency and he's building he runs a SaaS business that runs data workflows and automation mainly for e com companies.

Gavin Tye:

So, yeah, mate, thanks for listening and welcome to the, problem led growth community. If anyone wants to join, there's a link in the show notes and that's basically to help founders, create a sales strategy that focuses on the problem so that can demonstrate the return on investment. Yeah. Shout out to him. Then we have you have Varun.

Gavin Tye:

You talk to Varun because I wanna bring up the email of the other one.

Mitchell Davis:

Sure. So we got a a message on LinkedIn from Varun Jain from ComplyJet, and he said he's been listening to the show and and really enjoying it. So thanks, Varun. Shout out to you. And then we also had Nick Taylor, recurring guest, recurring friend of the show.

Gavin Tye:

Yep. He he's even taken the time to snap the, take screenshots of when he's reviewed us on Spotify and even Audible. I did not know we were on Audible.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. I don't know either. We were just on everything.

Gavin Tye:

But did you see how he signed off on his email?

Mitchell Davis:

I did. Yeah. I did see that. And I've got a plan to address it. What, what did you say?

Gavin Tye:

AKA no dice Nick. Nick no dice. So it sounds like a mafia name. Right? Hey.

Gavin Tye:

Nick no dice. So,

Mitchell Davis:

Nick, I have some news for you. I brought the where's the camera? I brought the dice with me today. I saw your email, and I'm going to send you these today, and I'll I'll write you a little card as well. Oh, mate.

Mitchell Davis:

Look. Look.

Gavin Tye:

I'm one step ahead of you, Mitch.

Mitchell Davis:

Oh god. Have you already sent it?

Gavin Tye:

It's already done. Or like, yeah, I've already, I've already put the dice. Mel has, is posting it today. So by the time Nikki, no dice.

Mitchell Davis:

Hey, Nikki. Thought I was gonna be the hero that you really don't.

Gavin Tye:

You're not the hero. Yep. That's on the way. So thank you very much. Nick and thanks for supporting the show.

Gavin Tye:

Thanks for the rating on audible. If anyone wants to give us a rating on, apple podcasts or audible or Spotify, let us know. And we'll happily send you some dice in the next six months. So

Mitchell Davis:

The next financial year.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. We'll do that.

Mitchell Davis:

We actually use these dice. I went to my parents a couple weeks ago and we played some games and we were playing an old trivial pursuit and we needed dice. And, yeah, my parents got out the the six sides dice. They're they're good dice. They hold up.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. There's been a couple of missed blanks in there. Have you seen any?

Mitchell Davis:

No. I haven't I haven't looked at them. I had to go finding these today. I was like, I don't know where they are, to send them to Nick and, no. So I haven't used them much, but we did use them at my parents.

Mitchell Davis:

They're quality dice. Yep. Other than the blank.

Gavin Tye:

I gave some to Nick Marchese yesterday, while we were recording the podcast for change makers. And, he was like, man, they're awesome. So.

Mitchell Davis:

They're good. So get your reviews in and let us know about it because it's not the easiest thing to find when someone's left you a review. Mate. Alright. Well, you've opened it up there.

Mitchell Davis:

Why don't you tell us about, your first interview with Nick Marchese?

Gavin Tye:

Of it is we want to add value to the community or to the wider community instead of just, trying to take revenue from clients like, and so what we're embarking on is doing a, like a thought piece over the next six months. And part of that is interviewing community leaders. And one of them, that first one yesterday was Nick Marchese, the founder of Orange Sky. So sat down with him yesterday. He gave me a tour around his facility.

Gavin Tye:

Mate, it's amazing. Like what they, what they've What's been

Mitchell Davis:

that orange guy?

Gavin Tye:

Orange guy, provides laundry services to homeless and those people in need. So Nick had a mobile DJ business and him and his mate, Lucas, the CEO, were like, what if we just put washing machines in here and then went around and just offered washing services to homeless people? That's all they wanted to do. And, so they did it, had a few missteps. And since, since 2014 to today, twelve years later, they've, they've got 87 services around Australia and New Zealand.

Gavin Tye:

Wow. They've, they've had an estimated $23,000,000 of impact in, in society last year. It's amazing what they've built and their office was amazing. So, yeah, shout out to Nick. We'll be releasing that podcast soon.

Gavin Tye:

I think you're gonna do the editing on that in the next couple of days. We're gonna do a bit of content on that. And, yeah, it was great. He was a great, great host and yeah, learned a lot about leadership and, you know, he's very mission driven. Right?

Gavin Tye:

So Yeah. Yeah. It was brilliant. It was a great

Mitchell Davis:

it was

Gavin Tye:

a great interview. Was really, really privileged to be able to sit down with him.

Mitchell Davis:

Is that like, are you now more excited to do the next interviews with your other guests?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I've I've got to just sit, get him into the get him into the, calendar. Like I was going to do another one with, Mr.

Gavin Tye:

Worldwide, which we'll, we can talk about that today. But we just ran out of time on Wednesday while, while Craig or CJ was here. But yeah,

Mitchell Davis:

we'll get into that.

Gavin Tye:

And I've got to book in the world police games. I've got this, the variety club is another one. I've got some others I need to book in. Yeah, it's a, we heard from Michael. Yeah, have, I haven't booked it in with him.

Gavin Tye:

I just haven't had a chance to sit down and,

Mitchell Davis:

so yeah. Yeah. You've got a lot going on at the moment.

Gavin Tye:

Too much. I've got too much going on. I'm too busy working in the business instead of on the business. Right. I haven't had time to sit down with the team properly.

Gavin Tye:

Part of that is because I'm really, focused. I've got to focus on getting revenue up for, to be able to fund six sides and live really, which is what I'm pretty sure we spoke about that. Haven't we?

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

I've onboarded, two clients in the last two weeks. So I've got another couple of clients, hopefully, Yeah. And then I've got, I've got to build the business out of deal buddy where I've just been using just, I was really just a consultant. So now I've got to build that up a little bit so I can not scale it, but grow it and not be right on the line of where our revenue needs to be in our household. So, unfortunately that just takes time.

Gavin Tye:

So Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

But it's fantastic. You've been able to get two clients for it within, like, we were only talking about this maybe two weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. So clearly you've got like some decent networks, you know, and past relationships and stuff.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah. Like it's okay. Yeah. I'm I'm could do better.

Gavin Tye:

It does take time. You just can't spin them up. Right. But yeah, like it's been, even I'll look at my calendar next week. It is so busy.

Gavin Tye:

Like, we're getting lots of meetings, but now we're starting to see some of these meetings are not like, they're not the best. We're just meeting for meetings sake. So we're starting, we'll start optimizing now, which is the first, I think what we spoke about originally was the first thing is getting the effort up and then having your meetings and then go, okay, they're not that great. Let's let's optimize a little bit and we'll start, we'll start refining.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't throw out a super wide net, you know, and just try to get anyone in.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yep. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Okay. Cool. Alright. Well, mate, while you've been busy on your side of the fence, I've been extremely busy this week myself. So we have the police games project coming up, and phase one of it is we set the release date of that to be August 17, which is only five weeks away at time of recording.

Mitchell Davis:

And of that, we're giving two weeks. The final two weeks of that will be kind of dedicated to testing, walking the police games team through everything. And so, basically, we wanna have all development finished by, it would be the third I think of August,

Gavin Tye:

And I

Mitchell Davis:

that's three weeks away. So we're starting to get to the pointy end of it and we talked about this over the last couple weeks. So a big thing that I'd had on my list was, getting the, our multi region setup basically done to, to support athletes from all around the world getting in and using the app. Right? Because sure, when they're here in Perth in March next year, we won't necessarily need to support everyone from other countries, but there's a long way to go between here and March.

Mitchell Davis:

Right? So all of these people from all around the world, we want them to be able to open up the app, you know, in five weeks from now and have it feel really good and not be slow. And we learnt a bit from Denmark. We ran our first event under the six sides banner in I think it was August last year. And I had thought I had done a decent job of getting like multi region support set up.

Mitchell Davis:

We had a database in Germany that was running for the guys in Denmark and still we had all these latency issues. Like it was taking ten seconds to load screens in the app and things like that. Right? So I had been a bit scared about this. And I did some research.

Mitchell Davis:

I thought shit. So recently we made the switch to oh my gosh. There's so much has happened in the last week. I'm just remembering it now. On Saturday I'll come back to this database thing.

Mitchell Davis:

On Saturday, I and Sunday, I made the switch to Postgres. So we were and have been running MySQL for a couple years now, and that's the database that I'm most familiar with. We were running it on PlanetScale, and we switched to PlanetScale because they had really cheap replica support into other regions around the world for for like an extra $20 a month or something. You could spin up another copy of your database in different parts around the world. And I just assumed that would continue for Postgres.

Mitchell Davis:

Turns out it doesn't. They don't do multi region replicas for Postgres, and that is like a huge issue. So I only realized that when when I sat down on Saturday or Sunday, I don't remember, to do the migration and was like, where's the button that says add region? Find out there is no button. So that was daunting.

Mitchell Davis:

And it made me question like, should we be moving to Postgres at all? Is this the right move? But we'd sunk like two weeks of work into it already and it's holding up us doing this electric sync stuff which will give us offline support. And so I was like, we just gotta do this. So I moved us back onto AWS.

Mitchell Davis:

And AWS has support for this. They call it global databases on Aurora. And it costs a lot more. Like, our our database costs now have gone like, have 10xed basically. So it does hurt, but we have credits still.

Mitchell Davis:

We've got a couple grand worth of credits with AWS, and the police games is paying us like a sizable chunk of money to support them, and this is just a part

Gavin Tye:

of that

Mitchell Davis:

cost. So, the good thing is we'll be able to spin all of this infrastructure that I'll talk about in a second down once the games are over, unless we have more customers all around the world. Right? And then we can this is something that we can change over time pretty easily, which is great. So, anyway, we made the switch over to AWS on Sunday, and it was a late one.

Mitchell Davis:

It was like 11:00 at night, and I'd finally got it done and then I was testing and everything seemed fine and that was all good. And then I started to think like I don't wanna wait until like the week before August 17 to actually roll this out. So let's just start paying some of the costs now of being in other regions to at least test that everything works and, you know, we got these credits. It's not the end of the world. So, yeah, so I did.

Mitchell Davis:

So then on Monday and Tuesday, I spun us up in four regions. So we're in Sydney, that's where our primary database is. But then I spun us up in Germany, North Virginia, which is US East 1 and in Singapore. And I did that by kind of looking at the map and going, where are all the people coming from for this event? But then also like those regions give us like a pretty good distribution of just around the surface of the earth.

Mitchell Davis:

Pretty good like, okay, for anyone else like you're probably within some decent radius of each of those places. And so we then wouldn't, you know, not if you're on the Southern tip of Africa, like you're pretty far away from anyone that for any of our data centres, I mean, but you know, it's the best that we can do without cost being like crazy expensive. Right? And so I did that, got that spun up, all looked to be going really well, which is great. And I was thinking like, how can I test this?

Mitchell Davis:

It's really hard to test how fast the response time is when you're not in another country because using a VPN to pretend you're in France won't have the same effect because you're going to pay that round trip time to the VPN and then it'll be quick from the VPN to your servers. So that I took to chat GPT and I was like, what do we do here? How can I test this? And I said, okay, have a look at this thing called synthetic canaries. I've never heard of it before, but it's like, you can run a script in multiple regions around the world and have that script go and like ping your, make API calls into your server.

Mitchell Davis:

Right. And then just measure the response time. And if we do that, that would tell us like, that's a, that's basically the only aspect of what the mobile app is doing. That's what makes it feel slow or fast or whatever is how quickly those API requests come back. And I did that, I got it set up and it worked brilliantly.

Mitchell Davis:

So I set myself a goal of like, I'd like each of these regions that we've got to return within five hundred milliseconds. I do that. And then firstly, they all come back very high. Like everything was taking eight hundred milliseconds or something like that. And I'm thinking how can we be spending this much money and it's going so slowly?

Mitchell Davis:

What's going on? I looked through the code and I had left something in there which I shouldn't have left in and this wasn't like an AI oversight. This was just me not being very smart when I first put this thing together. So on every single request that we received to the app from like day one to this week, we were sending off an API request to WorkOS to say, hey, who is this user? And that is so stupid.

Mitchell Davis:

That should not have been in there. So every page in the app was like, it had always felt like there's a little, this is taking longer than it should. Right. And I just was like, okay, this is just maybe our app. There's some inefficiencies there.

Mitchell Davis:

I'm not quite sure. But yeah, I was looking through the code and I'm like, oh, there it is. And it's plain as day. I got rid of that. And then instantly the app feels like lightning fast.

Gavin Tye:

So fast. Unbelievably fast. It's like chalk and cheese.

Mitchell Davis:

Yes. And I sent it off to you and I was like, can you check? And you're like, oh my god. Yes. What?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Anyway, so that was great. And then I could see that because of these canaries that log all of their response times for all these things. I get rid of that and instantly everything is like 300 now, two hundred milliseconds. So it was so much faster.

Mitchell Davis:

I don't know how WorkOS wasn't like sending us an email saying like, what are you doing? Why are you sending us so many of the exact same requests to just get the user details? Yeah. Anyway, so that was really stupid. I'm glad that that's done.

Mitchell Davis:

And again, it was my fault. It wasn't just out of laziness with AI. So we did that. And then now we're sitting at like the three hundred millisecond mark in all of these four regions that we actually have And I'm like, okay, what does this mean then for someone in Africa or in like Japan where we don't have infrastructure? What are the response times there?

Mitchell Davis:

So I was able to on Tuesday spin up these canaries in 10 regions total around the world and they're like geographically distributed. So as far apart regions as I could make it. And I'm happy to report every single region that we tested in is less than, five hundred milliseconds. And most of them it's around like three hundred milliseconds to

Gavin Tye:

make an What API is five hundred milliseconds? Is that five hundredths of a second?

Mitchell Davis:

No, it's half a second. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a thousand milliseconds in a second.

Mitchell Davis:

So, three hundred milliseconds is like Third. Yeah. It's like a click, you know, it's nothing. Right. It's pretty quick.

Mitchell Davis:

And so, that's like a very good response time as far as I'm concerned for all these different parts of the world.

Gavin Tye:

And then

Mitchell Davis:

now like our Sydney one for me, it's like eighty milliseconds, which is nothing, you

Gavin Tye:

know? Oh, it's fast here too. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Well, yeah, like on the scales that we're talking about, like the distance of Brisbane or Gold Coast to Sydney is like nothing, you know? So yeah, that's like a few extra milliseconds or something like that. So it's actually made me think like, are we over provisioned now? Because if even in Africa where the nearest data center is probably either in Germany or Singapore for them and they're still getting three hundred milliseconds, are we over provisioned?

Mitchell Davis:

We might be. So I might what we might do is roll this just keep it as is for now. We'll just pay the hit for one month. And then after we do the announcement and this starts going out, what happens if I turn off a database? And then let's just, I can monitor now that I have proper monitoring on all this, I can see, oh shit, Africa's just like, now it's taking two seconds to load.

Mitchell Davis:

How many people are coming from Africa? We should probably turn that back on, you know?

Gavin Tye:

So

Mitchell Davis:

we've got the data now, which is just fantastic because this had been sitting over my head for a couple months of like, I did not do a great job with Denmark. I really need to make sure we do a good job here and seems like it's gone

Gavin Tye:

pretty well. So So couple of things. Awesome. Right. Great.

Gavin Tye:

Like, it's a it's a chalk and cheese and, we're gonna need I think we'll optimize later. Like, I reckon at least just keep it there. We'll just run the numbers and go, Hey, look, it's fine to leave it there to November. Right. Because there's going be all this traffic would rather be overengineered than other other under engineered.

Gavin Tye:

Second thing is those two things that you said about, canaries and, the other stuff is they are what you should be writing about on LinkedIn. They are posts would really help people. Absolutely. Yeah. Even if you took this transcript and said, Hey, don't write me the post, but what are the key things I spoke about?

Gavin Tye:

And at least get your dot points and go, oh fuck. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

I will. Yeah. Cause that is what you really care about and you light up about. So yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. I just did twenty minutes on it, but

Gavin Tye:

I know. I know. Now it's but that's the end of today.

Mitchell Davis:

No. Yeah. No. It's, it's good. Like, I'm yes.

Mitchell Davis:

I will. I'll I will post about that. I don't expect those to be my 100 k, breakout post, but yes, that that is the stuff that I it's exciting to learn about. I only just learnt about this this week and then sharing it with people.

Gavin Tye:

How you turn that into a 100, you should tell them what it is. And if you go, Hey, if you want the cheap, if you want the step by step guide on how I did that, let me know. Reply yes. And then I'll send you the guide. That's how you get your a 100,000.

Gavin Tye:

Why am I telling you?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. I I don't wanna do any of that. That feels like I just wanna have a, like, a a zinger. I wanna have a banger post go out and just

Gavin Tye:

then Okay. You want all the reward without the effort. I get it.

Mitchell Davis:

Not the effort without the seedy underbelly tactics that I, as I see them, I don't like that sort of stuff. Sure. You and I disagree on.

Gavin Tye:

They go, you must have really want that dinner and the tender night out.

Mitchell Davis:

We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Anyway, so that's the infrastructure stuff, but then just a couple other little updates before I move on. So, all of the redesign work for iOS 26 and up is now finished.

Mitchell Davis:

Interesting. And then Android is also finished now as well, which is great. That took us, I think, like a week and a half. And now we are finishing off older versions of iOS. So the ones that won't have Liquid Glass support, we're looking at implementing any of these screens that need changing.

Mitchell Davis:

We're doing that now. So I'm hoping that that's only gonna take us, like, a couple more days, and we should have that done by early next week. And then the redesign will be largely done should be done, which is Sure. Great. Do you have questions on that?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Well, we got the, we got the update with the world police games next week. It would be great to we'll be in a position to show them. And then I've also got some other clients I've been chasing for potential clients I've been chasing for a long time that I've got meetings with them next Wednesday and Thursday. So potentially able to show them some screenshots would be awesome.

Gavin Tye:

Sure.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah, absolutely. And then a final piece for me is we are starting on community features today. So the plan will be let's start adding the ability to view a list of communities and then go like add yourself to a community. We'll start exploring how to do posts and replies and all this sort of stuff starting down that pathway. And, yeah, hopefully I'll be able to report on that next week because it feels like it's it's pretty simple at the the data level of how we'll actually store this stuff.

Mitchell Davis:

It feels pretty simple. How we make it really sing is like a different story and we've got mock ups already of of what those screens should look like, but and all the different nuances of all the different things you should be able to do in it. But, like, at the foundational level, it feels like, okay, this probably will come together hopefully pretty quick within a week or two.

Gavin Tye:

There's some gray areas there where where I can't see yet, which I we haven't really talked about is how would a community leader put things into the community like posts or links or podcasts and stuff like that? Like, is which is obviously on the next phase of what we're doing. So, yeah, it's really Yeah. Yeah. It's

Mitchell Davis:

Well, that'll all come to light over the next week because I I in my head, I know how a lot of that will work. Yep. But it'll just be you and I then sitting down like so Martin will be working on this and I'll go through and give him the foundation and then we can kind of change tact halfway through if we can find some time because I I know how busy you are at the moment. If we can find some time maybe Monday, Tuesday next week, and I can just run some things past you. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. So, mate, it's it is all going on. Yeah. It's great. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Cool. Ben, it's so good.

Mitchell Davis:

That's it on my side.

Gavin Tye:

So I'm gonna so we've been talking about we give people code words Yes. On our podcast. So we've been talking about mister worldwide. We haven't really given him a name yet, but we're gonna we're gonna name him. Are ready?

Gavin Tye:

You ready for a drum roll? Drum roll. Yep. So we're starting to work with, the global entrepreneur network in Australia. They've got, CJ Jossick is a, is a managing director there.

Gavin Tye:

And his vision is to, we're gonna run a, like a big pilot, for bringing together global entrepreneur week in Australia. We can't do all of Australia, just because of the, his scale can't do that. And then we actually want to make sure we, be able to deliver value. So what we're going to look at is, think of the community aspect when you show, where we looked at all the map view during the month of, I think it's September or November, it could be November with our global entrepreneur week on the map or list will hopefully list all innovation events across these. We're going to aim for three to five hubs in Australia, whether it be the Moreton Bay region, which I think we'll, we'll do that.

Gavin Tye:

Then maybe the Brisbane region, probably Adelaide and somewhere else. But within that region, might have schools or we might have startup hubs, or we might have businesses or we're going to work on that. And we're going to, we're going to create a really big case study to be able to take to the global entrepreneur network, which is a 2,200,000 person network around the world. Geez. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Like dwarfs. It dwarfs the police games. And it's such a big, who knows? It's such a big kettle, like such a big, big problem to try to tackle. If we tried to do it around the world, it just wouldn't work.

Gavin Tye:

We've got to do it in a region first. And then within the region, we've got to do it in a smaller region. It, I'm taking a lot of inspiration from this book called the cold start problem, where it dissected the journey of Airbnb and Uber, how they started in San Fran. Then I think they expanded to Oakland, which was just one out of San Francisco. And then they went to another region, maybe Seattle, LA, and then they started getting momentum.

Gavin Tye:

And so we're going to try to follow that model and really add value then what's a reporting, how a global sponsor might look like across all of the global entrepreneur week, but then how a Morton Bay council might be able to get their own sponsor there or something. Right. So, yeah. Anyway, so we're working on that. That's a big piece like, and again, we're following the same principles that we did with the world police games is I'm going to write him a white paper.

Gavin Tye:

We're going to configure this whole process inside deal buddy, which is my other platform. And then we're gonna, it's going to be largely white paper based, a white paper based sales strategy, which is what we did for the world police game. So he can take it to sponsors. He can talk to people about value. And we'll, we'll start onboarding these people into communities as well.

Mitchell Davis:

So yeah. I thought you had already written the white paper for them.

Gavin Tye:

I did. Yes, I did. But it was too wordy and it was in a different, that was to get them to use us. This is not that it's a different white paper to get innovation businesses or institutions to, to sign up to this. It's a different it's we're moving along the yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

So okay. Yeah. Cool. Yep. Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

So when, what's the next steps for this project?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. I I do have to spend some time on this next week to be able to configure DealBuddy. Like, there's a process in there that I have a method. I've gotta help him configure that as is to be. Yep.

Gavin Tye:

Craig or CJ, he says so much and he's so passionate about things is trying to get him to narrow down the message is really key. And we spent a lot of time on that on on Wednesday. And then we planned out the phases of what he would do with the GE Global Entrepreneur Network in Australia. And it was actually really interesting. And he was at the end, he was like, I never I never thought about it like that.

Gavin Tye:

That was really cool. So, it's given him a direction as well. Yeah. So,

Mitchell Davis:

all he has He came out to your place. Right? On Wednesday. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

I went to his he lives on Sunshine Coast. So I went to his place a few months ago and he come down here. Or his job now is to bring us three people and then we will have a demo and show them what we will do for them. So, around communities and stuff. So we're selling a little bit down the path now, like around mid August, September.

Gavin Tye:

But, yeah, like, this is this is really interesting stuff.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. I can see if we were lucky enough to continue on our relationship with the world police games, if we were able to realize a 10 X revenue growth or five X revenue growth from the police games with other businesses from there, then we were able to do this. Yeah. This will be game changing for our business. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Absolutely. 100%. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Complete and potentially life changing for us.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. These are the wins that we need. So this is great.

Mitchell Davis:

It's a good off to a good start.

Gavin Tye:

It's awesome. Well, when you think about the worldwide, like what you've just done with Postgres and putting stuff around the world, like this is exactly what you need to do to be for us to be able to do Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yep.

Gavin Tye:

Now part of the part of the, what Craig is focusing on, he wants to take a contingent of people from Australia to the World Entrepreneur Congress, WEC, I think it is. Originally, it was in September, but it looks like it's been moved to March next year. Ah, okay. And that could have been moved because of the conflict with between The US and Iran. Yep.

Gavin Tye:

For many reasons or could whatever it is, it's been moved. Yep. But he said, do you wanna come to it? And I was going, absolutely. Like, I'd love to go.

Gavin Tye:

Like, even I would love to go for one, it's a BD exercise for for we will have six sides in a position then to show people.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Well, we'll have run the police games then.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. That's right. And the only thing here is is if it's on the same time as the police games Yeah. I can't go. No, hopefully it's like,

Mitchell Davis:

a couple days after.

Gavin Tye:

We'll get after and I'll go show, but we will have so much more data. So from anyway, so we will, go to that, but then it's also an opportunity for deal buddy too. Right. But four or five or six K like, I think you'd be looking to generate a 10 x, 20 x return on that if we could. So

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Interesting. Alright. We'll keep you posted. The startup world cup.

Mitchell Davis:

So we did not enter this or we we didn't get selected for this?

Gavin Tye:

No. We didn't. But Yeah. What happened was, Procure Pro won it.

Mitchell Davis:

So,

Gavin Tye:

yeah. So they're actually, I'm hosting a webinar with their founder in a couple of weeks. So, but we just could not compete with them. They went from zero to a $100,000,000 valuation in five years. Like from, I started working with Alastair in mid twenty twenty.

Gavin Tye:

Now we're 26. It's a meteoric rise for an Australian company. It's bloody brilliant. We just could not have, competed with that. So.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. No, that's great. Yeah. How good.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah. So it was, it's awesome. Like it's, congratulations to them. They won it.

Gavin Tye:

It was, yeah, it's brilliant. So they won it. Did you go to the event? No. Didn't.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Okay. Good. Yeah. Cool.

Mitchell Davis:

Good one. Alright. Well, maybe it'll be our turn in five years time when we're on a 100,000,000 valuation.

Gavin Tye:

Well, that's a, it's a really good point. Like, I think you have one shot at it. Right? Yep. I think I was ambitious to talk about it, like to go into it.

Gavin Tye:

I'm glad they said no. Right?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

They're in like, would like, I thought there'd be more restrictions on that. Like what defines a startup to go in it? A $100,000,000 valuation? What? Are they a startup?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. They? Technically, I guess, but that's five years

Gavin Tye:

or six years. What what constitutes going from a startup to a a business?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. I think they're in business territory there.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Well, I think every startup's in business, but, I do think we should hold off. And when we know we're getting traction, do it. So we, you want to go in it to win.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. That's right. Go on a limp in.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Also a distraction. Like so much stuff I've done lately is a distraction, like applying for grants and stuff. Like,

Mitchell Davis:

it's, yeah, just gonna

Gavin Tye:

do it the hard way.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. That's right. We're doing it. So speaking of world cups, soccer ruse, dunzo. Dunzo.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. They've mate, they wouldn't have gone past the round of 32. I think they lost two nil or three nil or something. But,

Mitchell Davis:

yeah. Yeah. No good. So anyway, it was fun to follow along, but yeah. Job done.

Mitchell Davis:

Anyway, congrats to them for getting to where they got. I know they're listening. And Yep. Absolutely. Enough said.

Mitchell Davis:

Alright. Couple more things as we we wrap this up. So Snitcher. We use Snitcher for, like, marketing website analytics. We also use Posthog as well.

Mitchell Davis:

And we we're actually how this came up, we were looking at the Amex bill today, and it was like, oh, we're paying 200 and something dollars a month to snitcher. We should probably get in there and have a look. How often do you look at this?

Gavin Tye:

Couple of

Mitchell Davis:

times a week. Oh, you do? Okay. Yeah. Look, it

Gavin Tye:

doesn't, I don't probably use it as much as what I should. And that's maybe because I don't understand how to use it. Like, but I did not think we were on that much money to be fair. I thought it was, like, $50 a month.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Seemingly, it's a 149 US, so it adds up. Anyway, where we were going with it is we've got there's 291 companies apparently that have been on the site, which is a lot. So as far as we're concerned. And, like, a lot of recent ones as well.

Mitchell Davis:

In the last week, there's probably fifty, sixty companies in here, and a lot of them are names that I recognize. So so that's pretty cool. We're not getting much inbound. Right? We're like, things aren't coming out of this traffic.

Mitchell Davis:

So it highlights that, like, the marketing site as it currently stands needs a lot of work. And so you and I have talked about this extensively. We have a plan to have the marketing website updated by September. So the all the main focus is on the police games Yeah. And getting this phase one release out for August 17.

Mitchell Davis:

But then immediately after that, the plan has been to resume work on the marketing website, which I started work on, like, probably six weeks ago now, something like that, and then had to pause it so that we I could make sure we were making enough progress on the mobile app because I kinda spearheaded the redesign project. Right? So yeah. So it got us thinking about the marketing side and I had put to you, hey. I think we should consider getting someone else to design the marketing site and give us like a better look, a more polished look.

Mitchell Davis:

I'm sure with enough time I could get us further along and I started on that. And I'm fairly happy with the work I was doing but I know that there are a lot of designers out there that will do a lot better job than what I'm able to do. And for me, I think that first impression is everything. I think it's that is a clearly reflected in the data of having these, you know, 300 companies on here and not much in terms of inbound. Right?

Mitchell Davis:

Because it's just the site isn't doing its job. So I had suggested a couple weeks ago, like, why don't we consider getting a designer to start working on this in parallel while I'm going and making sure the app and everything is delivered properly for phase one and we get someone external working on the marketing side. And so sounded like you were okay with that as long as we could afford it. And so this has been sitting with me to go and basically look at our runway of costs and and when we'll get more income next payment from the police games, etcetera, all this sort of stuff. Sit down and go, okay, can we afford it?

Mitchell Davis:

Or what would our budget be to be able to get someone to go and design us a nice looking site? I still haven't done that. I've been busy clearly. But yeah, it's just it's interesting. It's something that I'm pretty passionate about.

Mitchell Davis:

You not so much because well, we can do a lot of this stuff ourselves with AI, but I just think there's a real case here for getting someone external who's done this, you know, a thousand times. And there's a certain type of look that I wanna have as well that obviously will you and I will come up with together, but I just design's generally for me the sort of thing like I know it when I see it. I just struggle to create it myself. I can like I can analyze other people's stuff, but I really struggle to create visually.

Gavin Tye:

I mean, I've proven. I do have a design eye. Yeah. Yeah. Like, clearly it's been coming up.

Gavin Tye:

Like you challenged it months ago, but it's like, just even with my signs in the background, like they they do look good now. So

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. Yep. That's true.

Gavin Tye:

Yep. It's good. I've been designing the house stuff around the house.

Mitchell Davis:

Have you?

Gavin Tye:

I can take a shot at it.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Okay. I think I'd rather get someone else to do it. No no offense. Your signs are lovely.

Mitchell Davis:

You gave me a tour of it this morning. It looks great, but, no, I think if we can afford it so that's the thing. So I need to sit down and figure out, okay, what could we actually afford? And I'm gonna try and do that by this time next week because fact is, like, if we are gonna move on this, we should be moving on it soon. Because otherwise, like Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

I thought you would have window. I thought I thought you would have reached out to whoever those companies were just to have a chat, like, least see what their costs were.

Mitchell Davis:

No. I haven't. Because I wanted to sit down and look at the numbers and go, if we can't afford them, I don't wanna waste their time. Like and we have a rough idea of what this might cost. You know?

Mitchell Davis:

We're gonna be talking couple thousand to 10,000, something like that. I can only assume based on my past experience with other designers and could be even more than $10. Right? And if so, like, there's only so much that we can afford, but I wanna look at the numbers and actually go, okay. Can we even afford that or resist like a stupid mistake to make now?

Mitchell Davis:

But it just feels like we're only gonna get the one shot at making our first, like, big announcement about the police games, and I really want that to be when we look premium. Because I feel like the app is now starting to feel premium. Right?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Well, I I think we're we're just having the same conversation we had a couple of weeks ago. Like, let's just have a look. Like, let's get to it. Like, let's yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Exactly. Yeah. I'm gonna. So I'm just explaining, for the for the audience.

Gavin Tye:

For the new listeners if they haven't listened to two weeks ago.

Mitchell Davis:

Anyway. Yeah. So, but there's it's kind

Gavin Tye:

of thing. We're getting a lot of people landing on our site, like, and that's a reflection of the work the team are doing and also many other things. So, Yeah. It's, it's good. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Hopefully we'll we'll it'll all convert when we're when we need to convert. Right? So, yeah. It's awesome. What do you recommend?

Gavin Tye:

Wrap it up today?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. I think so. Job done. Where can the people find you online?

Gavin Tye:

They can find me online on LinkedIn, really, on Gavin Tye, Tye, Yep. And you mate? Excellent.

Mitchell Davis:

You can find me on Strava under the handle Mitch Dev. If you wanna follow along with what I'm doing, I'd love to have a couple more followers. That would be nice. Otherwise you can find me on LinkedIn. I I

Gavin Tye:

think it'd be just too sporadic for people to follow you, mate.

Mitchell Davis:

What? What? I'm consistent as apart from yesterday. No. Even still, I did I did do half an hour yesterday.

Mitchell Davis:

I just didn't do the big walk. But Yeah. Fair enough. On that point, final little anecdote. Chattypity has just announced some new voice model thing, which I'm excited to use because apparently it'll defer, like it's apparent it's meant to be a lot smarter.

Mitchell Davis:

And if it's gotta like go away and do thinking, the voice model itself won't do that. It'll defer it to some other like chat model like a normal one because I have a great experience of chatting with ChatGPT, but then talking with it, the model previously has been garbage. So, like, it forgets what you're talking about. It's a nightmare. So I'm excited now.

Mitchell Davis:

I'm doing some longer walks to, to give that a crack. So Yeah. Nice one. Come at the right time. They must be listening to the podcast as well.

Gavin Tye:

They must be. So shout out. We're sponsored by Chatuchi B2B today. Probably.

Mitchell Davis:

A late shout out at the very end of the episode.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. They get their they get their money's worth here. Yep.

Mitchell Davis:

Awesome. Alright. We will catch you all next week. See you later, mate.