Shifting the Paradigm of Members-only Social Clubs

Show Notes

In today's episode of Tales from the PROS, I talk with Rob Charles, who is the Founder and CEO of Goldfingr, a vetted and exclusive social network of business leaders, investors, entrepreneurs, and influential thought leaders working together and supporting one another for the common good and with intention.

His expertise is exhibited in a long track record of always executing, being an entrepreneur for over 30 years, and investing for over 18 years.

Goldfingr is a modern paradigm of social clubs - a think tank, incubator, and socially conscious business accelerator. They have integrated raising capital, investing, business, the arts, entertainment, and social, adding unbelievable value to their members, with a complete VIP experience 

In this episode, we talk about Rob’s journey to entrepreneurship, his experience of building and growing a members-only social club, the startup game in today’s digital age, and what it takes to succeed as an entrepreneur.

 

Don't Miss:

1. The story of Goldfingr and how it is different from other social platforms - 7:51

2. How pandemic has affected the various forms of communication - 15:33

3. Sectors and companies investors are looking to invest in - 24:55

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Topics We Discuss:

1. Rob’s 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐨𝐰 he 𝐠𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐰𝐡e𝐫𝐞 he 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐚𝐲

2. What is Goldfingr? How did the idea for Goldfingr begin?

3. Shifting the paradigm of members-only social clubs

4. Rob’s thoughts and advice on the investment and startup game in today’s digital age

5. What it takes to succeed as a startup and entrepreneur

 

Follow Rob Charles

Website: https://www.goldfingr.net/rob-charles

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-charles/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goldfingr_official/

 

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Michael Georgiou: 00:01

This is Tales From the Pros, where business leaders and influencers share their stories of inspiration, struggles, and successes. And I'm your host, Michael Giorgio. Hey, everyone. Welcome to Tales From the Pros. This is Michael Giorgio, your host and cofounder of Imagine Ovation.

Michael Georgiou: 00:25

My awesome guest with me here today is the CEO and founder of Goldfinger, a vetted and exclusive social network of business leaders, investors, entrepreneurs, and influential thought leaders working together and supporting one another for the common good and with intention. It's a modern paradigm of social clubs, a think tank, incubator, and socially conscious business accelerator. They have been integrating and raising capital, investing, business, the arts, entertainment, social, and adding unbelievable unbelievable value to their members with a complete VIP experience. His experience is exhibited in a long track record of always executing, being an entrepreneur over 30 years, and investing for over 18 years. Please welcome Rob Charles.

Michael Georgiou: 01:12

Rob, I appreciate you being here, man. Thank you so much.

Rob Charles: 01:16

Thank you, Michael, and thank you so much for the, amazing introduction. You actually said that better than, than I said it, so thank you.

Michael Georgiou: 01:25

Absolutely. Try to, you know, try to keep it, short and sweet. You know? Not not sometimes podcasters, they can they can give, like, a 5 minute or 10 minute introduction, and I think the interviewee is like, okay. Yeah.

Michael Georgiou: 01:38

That's cool. That's good. That's good. Let's let's kinda start.

Rob Charles: 01:43

So That's that's always part of the major problems with entrepreneurs. The the difference between entrepreneurs and investors is entrepreneurs entrepreneurs always have a difficult time, you typically speaking, messaging, explaining their

Michael Georgiou: 01:56

Mhmm.

Rob Charles: 01:57

Concept and idea to investors. So you did it very, eloquently something.

Michael Georgiou: 02:02

Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah. It's, yeah.

Michael Georgiou: 02:05

I I we're definitely gonna get into, all of the just the whole game of investing and and just the startup game and the craziness that's been been going on. And I know you know a lot about that. So definitely wanna get your insight on all of that. But, 1st and foremost, Rob, just wanna talk a little bit about your story. You know, it's a business storytelling podcast, and I think it's it's it's very important for the audience to really get a just an understanding of of who you are and how things kinda started for you.

Michael Georgiou: 02:35

I know you're obviously the, you know, the the founder of Goldfinger right now doing amazing things. But before that, you know, you've it seems like you were investing a lot of different companies, starting companies, selling companies. So give us a little a little background. How did how did it all kind of begin?

Rob Charles: 02:54

Well, great questions. First off, like, I've I always have to date back to what I really call my first entrepreneur experience was, in 1987, 88. Right when I graduated high school, I played, pro soccer in in West Germany. And this is right before the wall came down. So that was, like, you know, my dream, my passion at the time.

Rob Charles: 03:18

I didn't know anything about Germany. I just went in and and flew over there and tried it out and made it. Obviously, I had some good connections, and that was, like, what I say my first, entrepreneur first really entrepreneurial venture, I would say. But, then I started, I came back to US. After that 1 year, I started, really as building companies, and starting, as an entrepreneur, like, over 30 years now.

Rob Charles: 03:47

I'm a tech entrepreneur for 25 years. So my first tech startup was in 19 96. The first online art gallery called universal arts.com. It's artz.com. I had, you know, this is back in the 1st tech bubble.

Rob Charles: 04:02

I built another company called isms.com, icims.com. And, and the 1st tech bubble out of New York still around today, actually, still in business. Made it through, the last 20 years, 21 years. But, then I when everything was going hard copy to digital, I did that for a number of years. And I was in in tech.

Rob Charles: 04:24

This is, like, 2,000, 2003. I started a foundation for children in 2003 to 2006, doing, nonprofits, you know, about half my time around the world.

Michael Georgiou: 04:35

Wow.

Rob Charles: 04:36

In India, projects in Africa, different, places, as well. Then I started my 2nd pro sport, which was Thai boxing. So 2003. So about 2006 and, 2007. I was I was WKA light middleweight North American champion in 2006.

Michael Georgiou: 04:55

I read about that. That's awesome.

Rob Charles: 04:58

Yeah. But, I would say those things are very, you know, important to my story and and also, I've got some of the most influential things that have helped me in business. Right? Is not necessarily just directly related to business. But, but yeah.

Rob Charles: 05:18

So I basically, went through done a myriad of different things, oil and gas commodities, heavy equipment, you know, through the years. And and, and just like building things. I've always been a power connector. I've always been super connected. And so I just had, years ago, in 2001 before, social networks existed, I had this idea.

Rob Charles: 05:43

And it's very similar idea than than what we currently have. And then, I started I got it off the ground. I started in actually 2014 because it wasn't ready. It was way, way, way too early, 2 2,000, and, 2,001. So, and, and through the years, we just studied the different, you know, aspects of, you know, raising capital, building companies, investing, all these inefficiencies.

Rob Charles: 06:11

And I said, well, how can we just create a better system and a better network and where, it's multifaceted where everyone actually works together collectively, helps each other, and access to capital, access to different resources based on relationships, and I integrated that all into one, like, comprehensive system. That's basically what we did.

Michael Georgiou: 06:32

I love it. And, you know, I I really like what you and your team are doing at Goldfinger, and and we'll talk about that in in a few minutes. But, I think just giving entrepreneurs, a platform and and business leaders and investors, and I'm sure many other, you know, different people, just really a centralized platform to connect, to help each other, you know, for, different sources of good. And I I think that's very difficult, right now in a lot of other platforms. I'm sure you have a lot to say about this.

Michael Georgiou: 07:06

Right? Even with, a platform like LinkedIn. I'm a big LinkedIn advocate. I I love LinkedIn in terms of if I had to compare it to other platforms. I like it.

Michael Georgiou: 07:16

You know, I'm using, Clubhouse a little bit now, and even that's getting it's just so saturated, and you don't know who to trust. You don't know who to it's just you know, people have been bullied on that platform and, you know, and, there's a lot of good in it too. I'm not saying there isn't, but it's, it it's good to have a a centralized location where you can just connect with an with one another and and just be able to build those relationships because business really is about relationships. I mean, we forget that all the time. You know?

Michael Georgiou: 07:47

And we take it for granted.

Rob Charles: 07:51

Yep. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, there's so many different things that that you said that I can, align with and have a lot of, thoughts on. First off is in in regards to the relationship side of that of of things.

Rob Charles: 08:10

So I would say, like, when you invest in real estate, it's location, location, location. With Goldfinger, I would say it's about relationships, relationships, relationships because, it's actually how the world has been operated for centuries. It still does operate, and it's all built on, on trust and relationships and at the higher levels. So it's very simple. We just said, hey.

Rob Charles: 08:37

If we underline and connect, it's a very simple concept. Other people don't seem to forget this. We're here to help each other and cohabitate. So when you connect my network with your network, then we're like we're working collectively together. It's It's exponentially greater than working separately.

Rob Charles: 08:54

Very simple. But and in regards to we're just talking about the principles and and and consciousness of our community. We're actually one of the first, not the first, one of the first, conscious networks. So we actually have 11 principles integrated into our global community. The first is the mastermind principle.

Rob Charles: 09:26

Successful personal organization is using the mastermind principle, offer with gifting and participation and giving back. So, basically, principles that we can align with as humanity to work together and help each other. So we've integrated that into our whole ecosystem. And, and so I had this family office guy, tell me about 9 months ago in the during the pandemic. He said, hey, Rob.

Rob Charles: 09:56

Do you realize what you've created here? And I said, yeah. And he goes, no. I don't think you do. And And I said, no.

Rob Charles: 10:04

I I definitely do, because that's why I created it. And he is like, well, do you realize he's like, if Facebook had the principles that Goldfinger has as an organization that we'd have a different planet now? And, I said, yeah. Exactly. That's what we're creating here.

Rob Charles: 10:19

Because, you have all these different platforms, which are great. I consider them old paradigms nowadays. They work in, this pre pandemic thing. And there's and they'll still be around, of course. But, you know, the modern thing, if if people haven't woken up yet, it's, that we we also need to get back and do things for humanity and, the planet as well.

Rob Charles: 10:43

And we can do that and still, help each other and and monetize and grow and be wealthy. Actually, I consider that the new wealth, what I call wealth ness. Right? Being able to healthy body, spirit, mind, family, friends, you know, pocketbook as well. Right?

Michael Georgiou: 11:04

Yeah. I completely agree. I think, you know, I think that's really how I define it too. It's not just about the money that you have in the bank or the investments that you have or the real estate that you have or you know, it's it's really a combination. And even more importantly, it's the relationships that you've built, the people that you've been able to, you know, to, to make smile and to, you know, be able to help them and and provide a a positive impact to them in any way possible is just so vital in our lives.

Michael Georgiou: 11:37

And, I I think, you know, at least in my opinion, a lot of us take that for granted, and sometimes you need this reset to just be like, you know, why am I doing this? You know, I need to I'm here to help this person. And and, yeah, of course, I need to pay my bills, and, yes, I need to do this, but all all of that will come, you know, if you do good, and you keep giving, giving, giving. And I know that's talked about a lot with with many different, leaders, especially on social me social media, you know, just talking about giving and you'll receive. But I I think the notion is true, you know, and you gotta give with intention.

Michael Georgiou: 12:12

Give give for the right reasons. Don't just do it because you're expecting something back in return. I think that's very important. It's just having that mental game, and that soulful game and really getting your intentions in order, just being intentional. At least, that's something I heavily believe in.

Rob Charles: 12:30

Absolutely. Yeah. And what you just said, Michael, was that's actually how I started Goldfinger is, years ago, I've basically had traveled around the planet and the first 1,000 members I hand selected, and a lot of them were friends of mine. I've always had a really strong network. But across the board, everything from artists to billionaires.

Rob Charles: 12:48

And I just literally, I just helped them. I just added value to them. I didn't ask for anything in return. And it helped them by opening doors before them and and because I'm like I said, I've always been connected. And and then all I ask in return was for them to help each other.

Rob Charles: 13:05

I said this you don't have to give it just to help each other in the community. Right?

Michael Georgiou: 13:08

Right.

Rob Charles: 13:09

And, and now all of a sudden you have these very influential and successful people treating each other differently. Right? It's game theory. It's, basically, people sign up to play this game. So we integrated and and and and I was inspired by this by, you know, going to my first burn.

Rob Charles: 13:28

I I I go to Burning Man and some I consider myself a burner. And, I went to my 1st burn burn in, 2015.

Michael Georgiou: 13:36

A lot of the top leaders are a lot of the top leaders are part of that, as you know.

Rob Charles: 13:41

Absolutely. Yeah. And, absolutely. Some of the top, game changers in the world. Yep.

Rob Charles: 13:48

And, and everyone's out there just celebrating life, as well. But the, the key components is the principles that are integrated into, into Burning Man. Right? And so we instead of this works in Burning Man as well, why can't it, work into a technology platform? Because that's, for me, has always been the missing link is, is the tech, that connects the different communities.

Rob Charles: 14:16

Right? So yep.

Michael Georgiou: 14:18

Yeah. It's and I had talked about this in some of my other episodes, but, from what you're doing, what you're accomplishing through this platform, Rob, you know, really just adding that human touch with technology and making things more efficient. And, therefore, it's gonna make things more effective. You know? I think sometimes we we waste a lot of time, doing things, just manually.

Michael Georgiou: 14:47

You know, even I know you're for you, just from what I've read and what I've seen about you, you talk about how email is kind of old. You know? And a lot of people in my company, and even I agree with this to certain extent as well, is that email is kind of like an older technology. You know? It's not like you can connect I mean, you can connect with people instantly, but email is just I don't know.

Michael Georgiou: 15:09

I just feel like things fall through the cracks very easily, with email, and, you know, it's just the all the spam and and the the the lack of filtering, and it's just it's so saturated. So I I'm sure you have some thoughts on the whole email whole email thing, but I I really like what you're doing with Goldfinger.

Rob Charles: 15:32

Thank you. Yeah. I I always, I consider email nowadays to be like US Postal Service. It's, hold on. It's following me.

Rob Charles: 15:42

Sorry. Yeah. It's it's outdated type. I mean, obviously, it's still effective. Right?

Rob Charles: 15:46

You can still, send a letter, as well in the mail. But, the and I often tell people, don't even email me. I won't respond. Just text me or or just message me. But, but, yeah, it's just, you know, behavioral change.

Rob Charles: 16:04

That's that's why COVID has been, like, the best thing that happened to us per se with Goldfinger because we've always been a digital club. And COVID really the pandemic really forced behavioral change. Meaning, it it made people use virtual communications platforms. And when, pre COVID, people just prefer they prefer to meet in person or they would just use a social, like, network platform or what have you. Right?

Rob Charles: 16:32

Mhmm. Then COVID hit and, that changed behavior. Like, basically, people said, okay. I have to use these communications platforms. And, but I'm using it.

Rob Charles: 16:43

I'm only using it for my network. So how do I leverage and use this in this, like, new age? So Yeah. Yeah. So that's what we're really excited about.

Michael Georgiou: 16:54

And, you know, Rob, with with just, like, your experience in, in dealing with startups, and even creating your own startups, your own businesses, and, and in you know, and investing as well, What are your thoughts right now on the just the whole investment game? You know? And even the the start up game. You know? It it really is, at least in my experience, I've dealt with a lot of different startups as well.

Michael Georgiou: 17:21

You know, me and my company, we were, you know, we were start up at one point. You know, we've been around for, for 10 years, my company, Imagineovation. And, it it it's tough. You know? You know, we weren't really in too much into the investment.

Michael Georgiou: 17:34

We didn't really need, to to seek investors or anything because we were more a b to b service. We weren't really like a SaaS or a product based business. But, you know, I I just know from, from dealing with a lot of SaaS businesses and product businesses, it's it's tough. It's just a a very, very tough game. Right?

Michael Georgiou: 17:53

So kinda what are your thoughts on just the whole VCs and angels and the whole dynamics?

Rob Charles: 18:02

Well, that's a very broad question, but multifaceted because it covers a lot of different aspects.

Michael Georgiou: 18:12

Right.

Rob Charles: 18:12

Because investing in financial markets and, you know, raising capital. They're all different subsets, and all have their own, you know, world. Right? But I'll I'll try to do my best, talking about that a little bit. But

Michael Georgiou: 18:30

Kinda like generally. General speaking, I guess. Yeah.

Rob Charles: 18:33

I mean, so first off, everything is being disrupted right now, and, and everything is being modified. Models are you know, paradigms are falling down and have been over the last, you know, during the pandemic, over the last year or so, and they're gonna continue to happen. Like, I mean, look at GameStop with the financial markets. Right? I mean, it could've that alone could've crashed.

Rob Charles: 18:55

That one instant could've crashed the entire market. Okay. And so what's to say something's not gonna happen again? I mean, that's one aspect. Right?

Rob Charles: 19:03

You have Right. You know, industries that have fallen. Right? From, you know, from hospitality, from travel, from all this different stuff that that's just, education. Right?

Rob Charles: 19:13

Who wants to pay right now? Who wants to pay $50,000 a semester to go to Columbia or NYU when you're doing it through

Michael Georgiou: 19:20

Zoom. Yeah. Very true.

Rob Charles: 19:21

I mean, is it worth is it worth 50,000 a semester? I I can think of a lot better ways to to spend 50,000. But so, I mean, so all this thing everything is reinvented right now, and that includes investing. So the DeFi. Right?

Rob Charles: 19:37

I mean, we have now with crypto, it's it's really exciting for me because if you if you think about what this means. Right? In in markets and and let let's let's and and by the way, we're doing our token right now, our Mint token as well. So we're actually tokenizing our entire system and our entire network, which is is huge. And meaning, like, you know, I mean, we're not a traditionally, we're not a crypto project.

Rob Charles: 20:01

Right? We're we're, you know, a a platform for a network for, you know, traditional investors to communicate and close deals. And now we're tokenizing this whole thing and putting it on the blockchain. Well, for multiple reasons. And the one of the reasons why it's it's so exciting is is DeFi, for example.

Rob Charles: 20:22

Right? And a lot of people don't even understand DeFinance, but, it's just basically a community. And and not even from a social context, just from a digital thing. Like, people have come on and said, hey. I'm gonna buy this token.

Rob Charles: 20:35

Right? And because I think it's worth something, and someone else is gonna buy it. And this this token could go 10 x or a 100 x or a 1000 x, whatever it may be, like Dogecoin, for example, that has no value whatsoever.

Michael Georgiou: 20:47

Right.

Rob Charles: 20:47

So the value has just basically if you and I decide that this, podcast token is worth, you know, a $100,000 and someone else decides to buy it a 100 it it's worth a $100,000, right, until it's not worth a $100,000. So so all this all this stuff is being completely, like, reinvented right now. And, and, you know, so when you start talking about the effects of how this is gonna have on investing, and and and raising capital and all this stuff. I mean, for example, a company that's by the way, the the typical sales cycle majority of the planet, you know, 95% percent of the planet is not crypto and is not, crowdfunding. Right?

Rob Charles: 21:29

Traditional Yeah. Capital raising, which which takes 3 to 7 months, by the way. 3 to 7 engagements per investor. These are the stats. Per investor to close 1 investor for private equity.

Rob Charles: 21:41

And 3 to 7 months to close one investor. K? That's the that's the the amount of time. And 70% of actual time is spent by entrepreneurs cap raising capital. And we wonder why so many businesses fail.

Rob Charles: 21:55

Now so when you take all these inefficiencies, right, now a company can come on and raise crypto as utility token and not give up any equity and can do this on DeFi exchange and do it for free. DeFi, you know, with the Launchpad, like Uniswap, you can launch the token for free for 0, no cost. Now you can go public and create liquidity. And and even if you don't even have a product or all this other stuff, you can actually create. And people actually buy this and trade it to sell it without even having a a product per se.

Rob Charles: 22:30

Right? Like Dogecoin. So this is this type of stuff is like it or not, if you're a traditional finance guy or not, person or not, this is this is game changing stuff, The fact that this is happening. Right? So the long term effects and this hasn't even caught on.

Rob Charles: 22:49

This is actually going on now. This hasn't caught on to the rest of the the planet yet because they don't understand DeFi. Mhmm. They don't understand it. Investors don't invest in things they don't understand.

Rob Charles: 23:01

Right? So what we're what we're doing, we're simplifying this, and we're taking we're making it super, super simple. And where the average investor, I'm gonna talk about accredited, or institutional, can have it serves to them, make it super simple for them. They can connect with it for the personal level and they can invest. Right?

Rob Charles: 23:22

And from the, capital raise side, we're making it super simple where they can actually raise and not give up any equity, and we're giving them all the pieces and even able to close the round for them, potentially, okay, from our investor network, for the crypto as well. So we're we're doing a lot of stuff that's that's changing the game, but then there's a lot of stuff out there that's changing the game. Right?

Michael Georgiou: 23:46

Yeah. Yeah. I I and, I mean, I know there's a lot of lot of things going on with, with crypto. And, you know, I'm I'm invested a little bit into it as well, and I'm trying to learn more about it. It's a lot to learn.

Michael Georgiou: 24:01

I still don't even fully completely understand it, quite honestly. But I I I don't either, by

Rob Charles: 24:06

the way.

Michael Georgiou: 24:06

It's crazy.

Rob Charles: 24:07

It's just the

Michael Georgiou: 24:08

technology, the everything behind it. And and I and I run a tech company. It's it's it's very difficult to under to really comprehend and understand. But, essentially, I am seeing a lot of these crypto startups, blockchain startups even, that are getting a lot of different seed rounds. You know?

Michael Georgiou: 24:26

And, I I see, you know, that market, that industry as as really emerging and and just getting a lot of attention. And in your experience, just even through, through building and and running Goldfinger, are you seeing investors attracted to certain to a certain industry more than another? More like health care education. Do you or do you think do you think it's kinda spread out? Is it Of

Rob Charles: 24:54

of of course. I mean, it it it depends on it depends on what your perspective is. Right? Like, for example, if you're, you know, what lens you're looking through. Right?

Rob Charles: 25:04

If you're looking through, the lens of, hey. I'm just looking for early stage companies and and what have you then, you know, you're gonna see it from a a different perspective. With with with Goldfinger and with myself, I mean, I for the last 7 years, I'm on the phone all day every day with top investors and top projects in different markets, from across the from different sectors to different stages to different markets. Right? And everything from project financing, data center deals to crypto, to cannabis, to you name it.

Rob Charles: 25:37

Right? SpaceX, we're just about to get an allocation for SpaceX, a 100,000,000 secondary market. Well, so these type of stuff that comes and be done on a daily basis. Right now, the thing is is when you're you're talking about, all these different stuff coming on. I mean I mean, things have changed obviously, in the pandemic.

Rob Charles: 26:01

And and, yes, I have seen the trends, change. So I would say, like, the hottest trends I would say, you know, over the last year and and moving forward, right, is health care and med tech for obvious reasons. I mean, COVID 19, the pandemic has brought a lot of traditionally, before the pandemic, you had health care and medtech investors that were very, very specific. They, you know, they they only dealt in those those realms. Well, the PPE, the whole, you know, people had a wake up call to how valuable health care is and how it's needed and so forth.

Rob Charles: 26:40

And, and then you had a big boom. And so now you have a lot of investors that have started looking into these different type of deals that traditionally would not have been. So you have an influx of capital. Right? Secondly is, hemp.

Rob Charles: 26:54

We're doing a lot of hemp. And the Industrial projects. Right? And, and, you know, hemp and cannabis. I mean, cannabis, right, obviously, for for obvious reasons out of, LA and I I mean, I started investing in cannabis in 2003, by the way.

Rob Charles: 27:07

That was my my when when I first started investing in it was cannabis and real estate. So I was really, really early in the cannabis boom. And, as soon as it was it was legal, I was there. And, and but now even with industrial hemp, right, there's 50,000 different use cases for hemp and for products, sustainable products. Well, what do you have?

Rob Charles: 27:29

We have a, you know, global problem, right, with environment. I mean, there's all types of stuff going on, right, with with the with the world right now. So, you know, now we're actually scaling different products in hemp, different types of packaging and hemp products into different regions, which can increase their GDP, for the country. And also this is based on connections and open up completely new, revenue streams, create jobs. There's all types of stuff that helps with the economy.

Rob Charles: 27:57

Another is digital assets, crypto, blockchain. Like it or not, US is behind, on this stuff, but, blockchain crypto is not going anywhere. It's it's the it's it's the new Internet. It's the new wave. Right?

Rob Charles: 28:11

Yeah. I mean, I can I I can remember when, you know, the this discussion was going on in 1996 when I was in the first tech bubble? Right? Is is the Internet gonna go anywhere? Are people ever gonna buy clothes and products online?

Rob Charles: 28:25

That was the biggest discussion. Right? Obviously so. Remember. Yeah.

Michael Georgiou: 28:29

You're right. It's the same it's the

Rob Charles: 28:30

same, very similar phenomenon. Right? That's going on. It's it's not going so digital assets is another hot thing. Anything like this impact, that is sustainable or regenerative rather and green, these are also hot.

Rob Charles: 28:46

Right? I'm talking about cybersecurity is another thing in regards to tech. Right? Because all the recent cyber attacks and so forth. So, I mean, I'd say those are, like, 4 or 5 of the top, hotter your insight, Rob.

Rob Charles: 29:01

Thank you

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