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The Jumping Point Podcast shares real stories the critical life moments that shaped the perceptions of Entrepreneurs and business leaders.
Host Phillip Naithram is both energetic, entertaining as we learn the life needed to succeed in Relationships and Business.
P N 00:01
Yeah, well, Sabre Cook, welcome to the jumping point Podcast. I'm really excited to do this. Yeah, me too, really looking forward to chatting with you. Yeah, yeah. I've looked up some of your stuff. I mean, I've been following your career ever since James, James skank and, you know, Gaurav and all the people over at Penn fed your new sponsor, or your most recent sponsor, I think, also a sponsor of this podcast, and a great client of mine, great mentors of mine, they mentioned you, and I think it's just awesome what you're doing for anyone you know, for someone who's just kind of coming across you for the first time, you're a race car driver, mechanical engineer. You're fairly young, but you come from a racing family, and even at your age, you've had to, like, you've dug into what a lot of entrepreneurs have had to do. I mean, I'm an entrepreneur well into my, well, not well into my Ford, barely 40, just so you know, and I don't know, you've just had this great career so far, and I think it's pretty inspiring. And I'm really excited to talk to you about that, and just what it's like to be a race car driver and just be your age in this time period, having to build a company or work with different people, different ages, you're also, I mean, you're a woman, right? Male dominated feel. I'm sure that has something that plays in there, or maybe that hasn't been I don't know. I'd love to hear more about that from you. So, I'm excited.
Sabre Cook 01:28
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I know it's a, it's an unusual profession, and I know everyone always asks one of the top questions is, what do you do like? What does your normal day look like? So, I know it's a something that a lot of people like to have an insight into.
P N 01:44
Yea well, what is your normal day like as a race car driver? Like? What does that even mean, really?
Sabre Cook 01:50
So, the answer is, there is really no normal day. So, when, because we travel so much for competition, and we are traveling for work all the time, whether I go work as an engineer or as a driver coach, it is very hard to establish consistency. And I'm sure, as you know, consistency is important to building success, building processes. So, we're always in this state of kind of trying to adapt and create as much consistency as we can on the fly. And it's also funny, because what makes incredible racing drivers is whoever is able to adapt the best the quickest and is able to use as many tools as possible available to them, and that's basically kind of what we have to do in our day to day lives, because we don't have that consistency necessarily. So right now, I have a slightly more consistent day because we don't have a race this week and I am at home, so then we focus on it. Starts with training. Then I have kind of the center part of my day to deal with business, sponsorships, partnerships, media, as we're doing right now. Later in the day I have a team meeting, and then I have sim coaching, so I will be coaching someone on the sim, but then after that, I will actually be with one of my teammates, and we'll be doing a session later on. So, it's kind of that's a that could be a normal day, but tomorrow it completely changes, because I have to drive to Ohio and do media and meet with the team and pick up some stuff. So, it's like it's always changing.
P N 03:20
What's sim coaching ?
Sabre Cook 03:21
So right now, I'm sure a lot of you, maybe, maybe you've heard of like eSports, racing and racing simulators. It's, I think, honestly, one of the biggest emerging businesses right now is sim racing. And it's, it's basically a lot of people are seeing it as motorsport for the masses, because it has such a lower barrier to entry for anyone. So, when I say sim coaching, that means I get on my racing simulator, and I get on an online session with anyone in the world. It just all you have to have been internet and a racing sim, and I can drive with you. I can coach you. I can see what you're doing. You can see what I'm doing. And it's, it's an incredible way to actually, you know, connect and share all of the things about motor sports that we didn't have very long ago.
P N 04:12
Yeah, wow. And so you're saying the electronic version of it is also a sport, like driving your actual car, or you're training them, the way that someone trains with you, so that when you're in the vehicle, you have the muscle, muscle memory, the cognitive like reactions that you need to for certain turns and what have you, the way that like flight simulation for pilots. And, you know, I've done a lot with the Air Force, I kind of get that.
Sabre Cook 04:41
So, yeah, it's a lot similar to the flight training. You kind of work on the same skills and the same the same tracks in the same car to prepare for driving in real life. But it is also becoming an emergency emerging eSports so you can be a professional E. Sport racer and race cars, that's your job, really? Yeah, guys argue with each other like, you know, you're not the real deal. The sim racers are honestly incredible, if you like. If you take most modern pro drivers and you put them against someone that is a pro on the sim, there's, it's, it's very hard and very unlikely that the in real life pro driver will be able to beat the sim driver, because it's, I mean, it's all about volume and practicing your craft, and when, if they were to jump into a real race car, it would be the same situation. But there are things that translate. But again, the most important thing that people need to realize about the sim is it teaches the skill of adaptability, which is what you need in racing to be fast. Yeah, yeah. So, it's, it's amazing how far we've come with technology to help so many different parts of life, right? It's very easy to just think of AI and computer software’s and things in terms of, like Office related jobs, like some software, you use it at work, or Zapier and Make and some of these automation tools, or email marketing, for example, it automates emails and so on. But even things like this, or just think of like, you know, surgeries, if you could, if you could simulate and practice on a surgery, you know, 1000 times before you got to it by the time you graduated. You've never actually done the surgery on a human, but you have so much repetition, and you probably have been able to simulate so many different potential crashes or potential things that could come up to were you've been able to visualize the win in many different ways, right?
P N 06:41
And there's science behind that that the brain doesn't know the difference between a real or imagined memory, so you're building memories and neural loops and synapses in a direction that are still valuable and still valid in a simulated, controlled environment where you can, you can probably, you can simulate a crash, like I just thought about, you know, whatever made me remember, though, when you were talking, you remember? Do you remember the movie cooled running’s,
Sabre Cook 07:09
Cool Runnings. I'm a little younger than you. I don't think I've ever seen that.
P N 07:13
the Jamaican bobsled team. You don't remember this?
Sabre Cook 07:15
I don’t think so.
P N 07:17
okay, I'll find that and send it to you some other time. No, I'll send it to you after this. You gotta. But there's a scene in the movie where, like the main, the person in front that was in charge of steering, is looking at photographs of turns in the race, like Polaroids, actual pictures. And so, he's building like, alright, it's this turn and that turn and that turn so psychologically, right? You're like mirror neurons. They're real, right? Like when I smile, you smile. It's not, it's even if you weren't looking at me. There's, there's a study in the Netherlands with blind people, and they showed blind people pictures of people smiling, and they smiled. So, there's more going on here than just the five senses. Fun fact, but he's building like his brain is registering that in more ways than just the site. And so, you're doing it. That was probably AI 1.0 you know what I mean.
Sabre Cook 08:17
And here we are,as we're training like as drivers. A lot of it has to do with visualize visualization, because we don't always get the luxury like a traditional sport, like basketball, baseball, where we can just go out and practice. So, it's exactly as you said, we're building neural pathways as often as we can, through visualizations, meditations, driving on the sim. So that way, when we experience something, we already, we've already done it. We've already we envision the win. We envision the perfect lap. So that way our body is already ready to perform once that opportunity comes.
P N 08:53
Yeah, you're remembering the future, not the past. Like that is, you know, it's what you mentioned, meditation. I want to come back and touch on that. But yeah, there was, there's a great study about a basketball coach where he had his players visualizing shooting free throws and then shooting a smaller number of free throws. And there was another group of people that just shot free throws every day, and there was the same amount of improvement, right? In fact, I think when they did a couple cycles of the study, it was the people that were visualizing the free throws and practicing less, like physically, that actually did better, which just goes to show, like, you know, It's mind over matter. We know this psychologically, the reason why you build confidence after you've done something is because you can remember having that be having it, achieved it. But we can actually achieve a lot of that through meditation and visual. Visualization is a type of meditation. What type of meditations are you guys doing? And what does that look like?
Sabre Cook 09:50
I think it varies based off of, I guess, what your own personal approach is as a driver. But I can speak for myself and saying that i. Do visualizations when I'm approaching, you know, an upcoming performance or a goal that I want to achieve. So, before I go to sleep, you're in theory. And what is it? Is it called beta state, data state. Okay, so I'll fall asleep visualizing me achieving whatever that goal is. And then I will do before you get to a track, especially if it's some that you've never been on. It really helps to do laps in your mind. So, you close your eyes, you visualize a lap. If you really want to get specific, you actually time the laps after you've driven on them. So, you really focus on maybe from one session, you know you need to fix XYZ things. So you visualize doing that lap, correcting those things, and you do a stopwatch to see how close you are on actually achieving the correct lap time and when, when I visualize achieving a goal, or achieving the perfect lap, or whatever the outcome is, trying to make it as real as possible, so not just looking, but like smell, taste, touch, sound, all of those things. When, when I'm creating that image in my mind.
P N 11:13
you're touching all the senses. Yeah, what So and then, what other has? Has meditation had another, any other application in your process. I just think that someone who's in a high stress environment, I mean, how fast are you moving in the car? Like being able to manage your nerves, manage your mindset, anxiety, and not only there, though, like in your personal life, right? I want to get into some of that here in a second. But like, we're just throughout your day, the uncertainty of, am I going to have sponsorships? Am I going to actually be able to pay for this race like I'm doing all this training? You've got to pay your trainers, you got to pay your mechanics, you've got to pay for all of these things.
Sabre Cook 11:53
Yeah, it's you definitely live in a kind of a state of uncertainty, sometimes more than others. But I think the thing that helps me get through it is focusing on what I can do to take positive action to achieve the goal or makes it more likely to be achievable. Like, what can I be doing in this moment, to take one step further to make it to that goal, and also dealing with, I guess, the high stress when I get really stressed out, I like reading, I like going, going for walks, was something that I was pretty resistive to, like when I was younger. But then I started listening to, you know, all the, all the mental health gurus, and they tell you to go on walks and this or that, and then I found out that I actually really like doing walking meditations rather than just sitting meditation. So just at least getting a chance to kind of move my body be active. But then think about, you know, things that are bothering me or things that are stressing me out. And I will, I'll be completely open when I was younger, and, I mean, still, sometimes now, I was really depressed. I was on antidepressants for, I don't know, like, six years, and went through all of the, you know, the nastiness that that comes with that sometimes, and the way I got out of it was just consistent action and thinking about, you know, really policing my thoughts. And started, I started going for walks. I started going walking and doing meditations while walking. Yeah,
P N 13:35
Yeah depression is, yeah. I mean, I shared with you some of my background and what the last 10 years of my look like, of my years of my life has looked like with recovery, you know, alcoholism and learning all the things that I've learned and practicing them and basically rebuilding life altogether. And a lot of that is learning like how you said that, policing our thoughts, learning not to believe everything we think, right? And depression, things like anxiety, you know, generally, and this isn't, you know, well, yeah, there's a lot that we can do to manage that, just in our behavior and in our awareness of our thoughts, right? Most of the time it happens because we're not being present. I'm thinking up the wreckage of the future and trying to avoid it in my mind, even though it hasn't happened yet. And I'm basing that on memories that I continue to ruminate on from the past. And every time I do that; it gets worse and worse and worse. And the reticular activating system that part of the brain that just filters in all the negative, because it thinks that's what we want, right? It brings us more of what we it thinks we want. When you buy a blue car, you see all blue cars. They didn't all buy the same car. It just lets that in there and but just kind of like doing that and learning how to like, release our thoughts. Like, why do I think this? Is that really true? What can I like taking the. Small accumulating the small positives, right? What's the small win I can do right here?
Sabre Cook 15:06
Absolutely, I think that I am new concept for me was realizing that all the thoughts you have in your head aren't, aren't always your own, and so then it's easier to understand, Oh, they're not, maybe they're not always right, because you don't want to believe that you're going to be, you know, cruel and harsh on yourself. And a lot of those thoughts, I think, come from external learnings or experiences. So then, like, just getting to the point where you can be open enough to realize that that's not your truth, in a way, and finding your way out of that.
P N 15:40
Yea no one gets out of childhood unscathed, right? As loving as our parents are, as loving as you know, we believe a lot of prescriptions, prescriptions for life, prescriptions of how society is and what things are true and not true, and what's available to certain people but not available to others, and why that's the reason, and driving on the right side versus the left. But over there, we drive on the left and not the right. And all the prescriptions for life that we believe and, you know, part of maturing, and I think doing the uncommon thing in any kind of way, I think part of the human experience is to, I almost said, break those bonds. But that I don't, it doesn't have to be that by it just gently put down some of these prescriptions, drop all practice for a second. Why do I think this right? Why do I want this? Then you can start to understand ego and pride and things in a different way, but like and even like. Why have I believed it? Or why do I think this is it? Just because I've always thought it, and maybe everyone else around me continues to repeat it. But what evidence do I have that this thing that I'm so resistant to letting go of is true? And then we start to realize how much we fight for our limitations because it's comfortable.
Sabre Cook 16:52
Yeah, and I think life will always give what you ask for, what your perspective is. I was actually talking to my dad about this a few weeks ago. He had an incredibly rough upbringing, and I'm very grateful that he created a better life, at least for me to grow up in. But his, you know, his whole outlook on life is that he always has to fight. He always has to, you know, deal with all these stresses and people not wanting to be cohesive. And I, and I finally just told him, I was like Dad, if you always, if you're coming from the perspective that you think you always have to fight, you always will, and life is always going to give you whatever you think you deserve, or whatever you whatever lens that you're going to look through is what you're going to see, more you're gonna find more of
P N 17:41
Yeah, yeah, the hologram of life, right? It's all about perspective and perception. And you know, what we seek is what we find we like. You know, when we change the way we see the world, what we see in the world changes, and that's so true.
Sabre Cook 17:55
Yeah? It sounds cliche, but it is very, very true.
P N 18:00
There's brain science to it, the reticular activating, like it's set of hormones that are literally doing it. But then, just on a spiritual level, you know, someone who's a negative person will always, you know, there's a nail for every hammer, right? Like, they will always, that's a good way to put it, yeah, everything's a nail to a hammer, you know, and it's just like, that's just how that works, and how I want to talk about your relationship with your dad. He's a motocross guy. You grew up in a racing family. How did what do you think having his daughter like coach him up on that?
Sabre Cook 18:37
I think he was kind of resistive to it at first, because, again, he's coming from the mindset of, oh, I always have to fight. But then he actually called me a few weeks later, and he was like, you know, I really thought about what you said, and I think you're, I think you're on to something. I think you're right. And so, I'm like, Oh my gosh, praise. I actually got through to him. We'll see what happens? But yeah, I was, I was actually really proud of him for being open enough to take that in instead of just always feel like, oh, I need to defend myself from someone saying I'm not doing a good enough job.
P N 19:13
are you guys close? You have a good relationship, obviously, if you can have those kinds of conversations. But yeah, yeah,
Sabre Cook 19:19
we're super close. He's been kind of one of my everything as I've grown up and helped me with anything that he possibly can. And, I mean, he's, he's, obviously, he's not perfect. No one is, but he did a great job as my dad, and really, I think, planted those examples and ideas for me early on as a kid, that you know you work hard, you show up, you do things even if you don't want to do them, and just really set the precedent for what mental strength and mental fortitude is. I was really lucky to grow up with someone that I think is one of the most mentally strong people that I. Ever I've ever witnessed, so I'm very lucky that I had him as a as a role model.
P N 20:05
Yeah, and you grew up, you grew up in Colorado, but you now live in Indianapolis.
Sabre Cook 20:10
Yes, yep. I was born and raised on the west side of Colorado,
P N 20:15
yeah. What was it like? So, what was your childhood like? Did you play sports? Were you always in, like, some sort of competitive nature, or by him being in motocross, that was kind of like the
Sabre Cook 20:27
so I was in, I played, I think every kind of sport there was, it felt like I started, actually, gymnastics was the very first that I ever did, and I am so thankful for that, because it built a foundation of, I think, athleticism that just carried over into anything else that I've done since I started that when I was, I think I was three, maybe so did gymnastics, soccer, basketball, golf. What else did I do? Obviously, I would, if anybody would have tried it. I did try to join the boys wrestling team with when my brother was wrestling, and they told me I could not. So that didn't work out. But pretty much anything, I was willing to try. And I actually rode a motorcycle before I ever drove a go kart, because karting is kind of how you get into the car racing world a little bit and yeah, so I had the chance and the opportunity to try a lot of different things.
P N 21:22
Yeah, what about your mom? We talked about your dad. You mentioned your mom. My
Sabre Cook 21:27
mom is a cosmetologist, so she, I think I was, I was lucky in that she's very health conscious. She comes from a family that has a lot of health struggles, so she's had to, kind of like, learn her way through that. But I've been, I guess I was lucky that my dad kind of fostered the mental strength side of things, and my mom really fostered and gave me a good example of how to take care of yourself, how to eat right, eat healthy, on the on the physical side of things,
P N 21:54
yeah. Did she teach you to make those cookies you made? Those that haven't seen it? She's got a great video on YouTube of her making some, some Porsche shaped cookies. She drives a Porsche. That's her race car and it was, I think it was Christmas time, wasn't it? You had, like, a little,
Sabre Cook 22:10
yeah, the So end of year, I always try to give a special, some sort of gift to the people that have really supported me, as well as all my partners. And so, I was like, Alright, everybody likes cookies during Christmas time, so how can I make this, like, make more sense, and then I just made a bunch of Porsche shaped cookies. My mom probably did not approve of the cookies, though, because they were not made with, like, very clean whole ingredients, but I think she did enjoy, at least watching the YouTube video, and watched me, watch me struggle to make them
P N 22:46
what's she thinks about you wanting to be a race car driver like a dad? Does she ever say like
Sabre Cook 22:50
she obviously it, it a mother never loves to put their child in in a dangerous situation. And I think for a lot of years, she was kind of resistive to the idea and like, is this what you really want? You know, do you really love it, or do you just want to spend time with your dad? And I think that once she started to see me kind of get older and come into my own, she saw like, how much passion I had for it, and just saw the continual grit and tenacity to continue to stay in the sport and do what I love. And so now she is 100% behind it and tries to come to races when she can. But there was definitely a period there where she's like, Are you sure this is what you want?
P N 23:35
Yeah. Is she still doing cosmetology now? Yep,
Sabre Cook 23:39
yep, she's so mostly, mostly does hair. But she's like, one of the only people, I think I've maybe had one other person who's ever, like, cut and colored my hair. Yeah.
P N 23:49
And she's using, like, like, different types of products that aren't as, like, toxic for the body, and, like, really digging into that kind of stuff. There's a whole, like, there's a whole market for, I mean, and I'm kind of like that, right. I'm looking at, what toothpaste Am I using, what cleaning products, because it's not products? Because it's not looked its mind, body and spirit. It all works together, and there's so many like we could be so much healthier by just making those small shifts and making those small decisions that are easy and no more or less expensive than anything that's now I'm preaching, but you big on that stuff. Oh
Sabre Cook 24:21
yeah, absolutely. I mean, since I was a kid, I mean, we used to eat, like, buckwheat pancakes and tofu waffles, if that gives you some perspective, and like, always use, you know, the tom’s deodorant and Tom's toothpaste and anything that has added sugars. Like she wasn't about that. So, she's definitely all of the small health choices you can make adds up, and as I've gotten older, I've definitely felt the impacts of that more when I make those right choices, I can recover faster. I feel better, I feel clearer in all of my thoughts. So, I think it's, it's pretty impressive you don't, obviously don't notice it as much when you're. It and you don't appreciate it as much, but once you get older, I think it really comes into play. Yeah,
P N 25:05
yeah. I mean, I was going to ask you, like, especially with any kind of high performer, right? It doesn't have to be in an environment like yours, executive leaders, like self-care, like caring for yourself in good health. That just trickles out into everything else you do. Like, the way we do anything is the way we do everything. And how have you found like; do you consider yourself to be an athlete?
Sabre Cook 25:31
Yeah, we so we train six days a week for racing. I know people are like, what you're just driving a car. Like, how is that hard? It is not like driving a car on the street, so we have to produce, like, pretty incredible amounts of braking force. So, we'll break, I mean, up to, like, 135 bar. I you'd have to kind of look that up to see the translation, but it's really hard. Usually, when you have someone sit in the car, they can see the brake pressure sensor, and if you like, I just had one of my friend's husbands the last race weekend get in, and I'm like, All right, push the brake and, like, it was really hard for him to even get it up to, like, 70 maybe. So, if that gives you a perspective. But we also are a lot of our cars that we drive, not the one that I'm currently in this year, but most of them do not have power steering, so that that makes it very heavy to turn, so you end up having to have quite a lot of upper body muscle mass and strength and a lot of neck strength. So, we'll go anywhere from two to four Gs in the car. So being able to just hold your head upright is a lot harder than you would think, especially under like braking and acceleration. So, it's and the heat training as well as a really big part of, especially the sports car side of things, we'll do heat training three times a week, at least just because there's the windows are not open. There's no air flow through the car. So, it gets, gets very, very hot
P N 27:06
How are you training these things, like, you know, in the weight room and then sauna training? Or is it, what is its hot yoga?
Sabre Cook 27:14
No, I guess you could do hot yoga, but specifically for us. So usually, we lift three times a week, at least. And usually that is like, kind of full body. It's not just upper and lower or whatever. And then we do, we'll have like, cardiac output days. We'll have like, high intensity interval days, and those are usually coupled with neck and, like, really focusing on core. And when we say core, we don't just mean abs. So, there's actually a lot of core bracing that you have to go through in a race car, because there's it's not like you're the seat isn't just holding you into place. And with all of the great amount of G forces that you're experiencing, if you don't hold yourself, and you don't have the strength to hold yourself, you can end up like, you know, her, getting discs in your back, tearing stuff in your hips and your shoulders, so just focusing on the core as a whole. So not just like hip stability, shoulder stability, everything that you could possibly think of as a bracing sort of technique. We strengthen all around that.
P N 28:17
How many people you have on your team, like, who helps you with all this stuff,
Sabre Cook 28:20
the training side of things.
P N 28:23
Yeah, training and just like, organizing races, I want to get into, like, when you majored in mechanical engineering, like, so did I, by the way, I don't know why that. I should have told you that soon, like, we found each other. Finally, I did nothing with it, not in an engineering Well, I don't know it all adds up, but yeah, like, why mechanical engineering? But then and then with that, you could have gone and worked for an architecture company and specialized in HVAC design. You could have worked for an aerospace company and worked on heat transfer of different metals for whatever you could have done so many different things. How did, I mean, I know you had a background in racing, but when did you make that decision, and then, like, how do you get started, like, you just graduate and decide I want to go to race, like you got to meet people. There's a business side of this that it sounds like you're not doing this all on your own. How did you even put to get like, you know, you have a dietitian, I'm sure, or some sort of trainer that helps you with these things and puts together these, these plans. Did you
Sabre Cook 29:26
want me to speak to the engineering side of it first, and then kind of the team aspect, yeah,
P N 29:31
Yeah take me through that progression, like you're in college, gotta find a major.
Sabre Cook 29:36
So, I was one of those kids that I liked school a lot, especially math and science. And I remember, just like getting so excited about long division in the third grade when I first learned it, I was like, Man, this is the stuff. So, I pretty naturally progressed in a STEM direction. And. And we have the Colorado School of Mines as a university in Colorado that's considered the top or one of the top engineering schools in the US. And so, it made it realistic to think of that as a place to go for a school, because it was in state and state tuition is obviously a lot more affordable, and it was a smaller school. I like smaller schools. I didn't want to go to, like, see you and just be like a number. So I was, yeah, going, going through middle school, high school, stayed in, you know, all the did all the AP classes, all the normal things that you do. And then I decided, maybe my sophomore, junior year that I was going to apply to mines and I was going to go for engineering, definitely mechanical because obviously it ties super well into motorsports, but also because I feel like mechanical allows you, just as you said, to have access and dabble in so many different areas, and it allows you to touch so many different things. Rather than just kind of being like, very, very specific, you're able to work in a lot of different industries, if you would want to. So, the mechanical was easy. At first. I thought I was going to double major in chemical and mechanical, and then I got there, and I was like, Yeah, this is a bad idea. So, I did not do that, but it was, yeah, a great experience in my undergraduate, but I had started the racing career long, long before the engineering came into play. So, I graduated in 2017 with a with my bachelor's, and I did my first race car race in 2017 as well. But I started driving just before I was eight years old in a go kart. So, I had already done the whole karting program, went pro and karting, won a bunch of like, world and national championships, and was like, basically just being able to keep running in that and it wasn't karting is a lot cheaper, especially if you're a pro and you're not like having to have a lot of expenses with it. So, I just never had the funding to jump to car racing until the sponsor came and watched me in a cart race in 2016 and then they finally said, All right, you got it, kid like, let's put it in let's put you in a car and see what happens. So, they did that in 2017, and the sponsor is still with me today. So obviously that went well. And then I started in just an amateur series in cars, because they don't really care about partying. You have to start over with your licenses. And then eventually I went pro. And then went into quite a few different series. Did a lot of, like kind of, as you're talking about, the business side of things really limit what you can do in racing, because it's all about it's all about budget, it's all about money. Until you're the guys that you see that are in IndyCar and f1 and everything. Yes, they're Pro and paid now, but it took them and their families a whole lot of money to get them to that level. So, you have to pay all the way up to the to that level, if that makes sense. And there are still people that pay in Formula One and IndyCar and stuff like that.
P N 33:13
What are the sponsorships cover and like, what do you have to pay for?
Sabre Cook 33:18
So it all is, it's all variable. So, it totally depends on what contract that you have with the team, where the series is bringing support to you or not. So, it's all it honestly changes year to year. But like in theory, you're you have to raise funding to bring to the team, to cover your engineers fees your car mechanics fees your transport, your tires, your fuel, brakes, maintenance on the car, crash damage, wrapping the car, any hospitality, any sort of like driver amenities, like helmet blower or a soup blower or stuff like that. So, it's it all adds up very, very quickly. And now, like with the current series that I'm in, the ideal budget to have all the tests covered, all of your crash budget covered, and everything is just shy of a million dollars. So, you basically are looking to raise a million dollars every single year.
P N 34:23
Are you organized as a business or small business?
Sabre Cook 34:27
Yes. So, on the engineering side, I, after I graduated, I did go and work for infinity and Nissan and Rena f1 and forming the Mazda and Ed Carpenter and Pareto for the auto sport racing, but then so that is a separate LLC that I'll do the engineering side out of. But the racing side has its own, other LLC that is Sabre cook racing. And I run everything out of there with sponsorships and all anything, any expenses that has to do with racing goes through that single LLC. So., I don't have any full-time employees. It is me. So, until recently, I actually did pretty much everything. I am happy to say that obviously my business is growing and I'm able to hire more help and support as I've been able to grow that and now, I have RTD media and management. They kind of help me in a more of like a personal assistant to executive assistant role just planning things, logistics and everything. I have some people that help with maybe, if they have like leads, they'll send it to me as more of like a partnership acquisition. I have a mentor that I really lean on to kind of help with advice on anything and everything. But other than that, like the you hire the team, you bring the sponsorship and give, give the budget to the team, and they're the ones that hire the engineering, the mechanics and any other support personnel that is track sign, what
P N 35:58
was that learning curve of having to figure out everything you just said to me, like, and maybe you had some help from your dad, because he's had to do it too or, but just trying to find that mentor, right? Find that that one coach, that one person that knows more about the subject than you do, that can be daunting. And then there's pride and ego of like, should I be able to figure this out? What does that mean? How do I know that they're giving me right information? But then, like, how to organize yourself in those LLCs and what to do? Like, what's that learning? Because there's a lot of people. How old are you now? I just turned 30. Yeah. So, there's a lot of people right around your age, right that are probably, maybe they've worked for a period of time in their career, and they think they want to do something on their own. They could be an entrepreneur from the start, and have been struggling for the last five years of like, just they're peddling along, getting a little bit of business, but now it's like, how do we organize and get going? That learning curve in your business and in any businesses is something that I really want to like. What can you share about that? Because it's hard, but you figured it out, and there's ways to do
Sabre Cook 37:02
it. Yes, it is. It is very hard. I think a lot of people that see racing and motor sports, they're like, oh, man, that looks so glamorous, like, I just want to be a race car driver. But what they don't understand is, if they're not coming from a very positive family background, then they have to figure this out by themselves, and there's not a lot of resources, as you've alluded to, that shows people, Hey, this is what you have to do. This is how you have to set it up. Like, here's the basics that doesn't exist, like, it's not it's not out there. So, the learning curve was incredibly steep. I was, I was lucky that my dad had a general understanding of it from the motorcycle side of things. But obviously, sponsorship has evolved so much since the since the 80s, so there's a lot of new things that I've just had to learn and brainstorm and kind of just figure out by listening to different people, and then, you know, you I feel like there's never, there's never one person that's going to obviously teach you all that you need to know. Like there's always great lessons that you can learn from so many people that are successful in very different ways. So, I think that's kind of what I did, is I found I was really lucky to be able to connect with some people that were one of the best in what they do and get some really good mentor information out of that field, and then kind of same for the next, and then try to piece those things together. And then I realized, after I kept trying to do it all by myself, that it doesn't work that way. So, if you can only grow as big as you can sustain yourself, and as much as much workload as you can fulfill yourself. So, and once, you get to that point and you realize, like, I can't do this alone, then you're like, okay, it comes down to the people, which you, you know, you kind of mentioned the people process product. So, I'm like, Okay, I think I've got a good product. I need to work. I have processes that work for me, but what I really need is the right people. So, I've leaned into that over the last few years, and I've obviously had, I'm used to doing a lot of things, so delegating and giving control over things was, is a, I think, a big hurdle that most entrepreneurs go through is when they're so used to being their own everything. But then learning how to be a boss and learning how to be a leader is, it's a big change, and I'm still learning. I mean, I have so much to learn, but it is, I think it's honestly the hardest job I've ever done is try to be like a someone that manages people the rest of it. I feel like I'm like this. This is way easier. I'd rather do this. But I think the people like you said is key, because without them, I can only grow so far on my own. Yeah.
P N 39:59
Yeah. You said so much there, like, well, because we were talking before, and I said people process and product, right? That's how you grow your business. And that's like, everything you just summed up has been, well, my own personal experience as an entrepreneur, a lot of human condition in there. Even if you're not an entrepreneur, you can relate to a lot of that. But just the idea, like the hardest person to learn how to lead is ourselves, right? And part of that, like at exec, you come we have a tool where everyone gets an archetype. We're using some AI and some software, but it's people, data, plus eq, and everyone gets an archetype. And based on that archetype, we behave differently. And part of leadership is understanding each person's different archetype and being able to get the maximum productivity out of them. But you can't give something you haven't got, right? If I'm a talk it out person, and you're a think it out person, I'm going to create a lot of anxiety in you unknowingly, if I just keep, like, popping in on you and try to figure out what we're going to talk about when I see you, because you need to be able to process and think it out differently, and I'm gonna be like, what's the problem? We did it, and you're and like that. Just they're gonna disengage and learning how to manage those people. I mean, that's, I mean, that's a lifelong lesson, but it's, it's because otherwise, like you said, we can only do but so much on our own. And there's this idea, this weird sort of feeling that, like no one else is going to do it as well as I do, because they don't care as much as I do. But the reality is, they're going to do it better because they only have that one thing to think about, and that's what they're good at. Like, you know, you know the proverb of, if you want to go fast, go alone, if you want to go far, go together. Yep, exactly. So, yeah, that's awesome. Well, I mean, look, so you've obviously accomplished a lot. How have you for some reason, I want to ask you about Danica Patrick. Well, she like, I don't know why this whole time, Was she an inspiration for you at all? Or,
Sabre Cook 41:59
No, she's cool. I think that our mine and Danica’s brands are very different. I think her, her values and the way that she sees things are very different to mine. So, I was already inspired, already focused on being my best racing, all that before Danica kind of came into the mainstream media. And I just, I guess, like, that's that definitely it wasn't someone that I drew inspiration from. No,
P N 42:31
alright. Well, what about like for other people that are watching you, other young folks, you know, I like to ask people if there was a billboard that summed up your life, what would it say, right? If you drove down the street or when you're gone, what legacy Are you leaving? What does that billboard say?
Sabre Cook 42:53
I want to say, Be tenacious. I feel like, I feel like tenacity is a word. I learned it from my basketball coach when I was, like, in middle school. And I just remember thinking like, wow, this like, This really sums up, like, everything inside me that I feel like is what gets me through, through anything like I just remember from a very young age of whenever a challenge would come up, I think my mantra was like, I'll figure it out. And like, that's like, a joke with people that, like, know me and in my family is like, they just always tell me, I'll be like, I'll call them with, like, oh my gosh, this is happening. And this, this, this. And they're always like, Oh well, you'll figure it out. Like, that's just, like, the joke is there? Like, oh yeah, Sabri will figure it out, like she's got it. And so, I think, like, that's kind of what tenacity is, is no matter what happens, you're going to use whatever resources you have, which is other people. It includes other people, letting them help you and finding a path forward. I think that that's kind of summed up my life. Yeah,
P N 44:02
everything is figure out able. It is, I mean, and more, more, more often than not, it's already been figured out. I just don't know it. So, I just really need to ask the right questions and find the right people. I actually don't need to figure out anything. It's already been sorted out. I just need to learn. Like, you know, like, that's the way,
Sabre Cook 44:24
kind of let the universe show up for you. Like, just say this is what I want. I'm working every day towards it. I don't know exactly what, like, a, b, c and d steps are, but just like, trusting that, that you're going to get there, I think, and being very clear on what you want. I think that's half the battle, and the rest kind of falls into
P N 44:43
place. Yeah, asking what you want and letting it happen. You're a spiritual person. You mentioned the universe. That's my favorite part of
Sabre Cook 44:52
everything. Yeah, I was, I was so I was raised. I went to like, a Christian school until eighth grade. So, I was very much raised. And like the traditional Christianity, Seventh Day Adventist households, and then, I'll be honest, I went through a period where I was like, well, this doesn't all make sense, and I still have so many, so many questions. So, I think I'm in that period of my life where I am leaning into different things, doing my own research, and trying to figure out what I feel like is, is the right or not. There is no right thing. I think it just whatever I feel like fits what I need in that moment, like I feel like it's not, I feel like spirituality is so personal, it's never this is the exact right way. And I think that's why so many people get in debates and fights on. Is like, Well, I think this is right. So, you need to think this is right. They don't need to think that that's right. It's like, it's totally whatever. I think spirituality needs to be. Whatever brings the best out of yourself is what you should choose. I think whatever extracts the most from you and inspires you to be the best person and be your best self. I think, I think that you can't ask any more than that. Y
P N 46:16
yeah, no, I love that. Keep seeking. I that's been my experience. I I'm a very different person now, coming up on 41 than I was at 31 man I was at 31 I was somewhat homeless, kind of, sort of like I had a Craigslist house to stay in. We talked a little bit about some of my background, you know, off camera. And anyone listening to the show, if you've listened to more than a few episodes, you already know that it informs a lot of some of the emotional intelligence frameworks and CBT and NLP stuff that I teach executive leaders to just and people in general. But it's been, it's been an incredible 10 years of seeking in a spiritual way, and not limiting my education, not limiting what I read to any one particular tradition, and I found mostly similarities, very few differences between them. I don't know what that means. I'll let whoever's listening take from that what they need to but prayer and meditation, walking meditations, just not believing everything I think, thinking of the mind, body and the energy we have, part of one of my keynote speeches is I talk about quantum I talk about the fact that we're all just energy. Like when I say that you know me and Sabre, we're on the same wavelength, I'm literally talk like we're using it in our language when I say that, Oh, that really resonated with me. Or when I say something like, you know, we vibed it's got a good vibe from your vibe. There you go. Finish the word vibrate. What are we describing? A vibration we are just like, you know, and it brings you into a dirt like, Oh, we're literally using the exact language to say that, when people say that we're just kind of, you know that there are at like we're vibrating together, like it's true. And I can take us down a whole path there, but I won't do that mark. I mean, I can if you want, but it just leads you on such a I found a beautiful path. And when you're doing that, it seems, for me, it has really helped me to navigate the uncertainty of just general life, but also entrepreneurship, the highs and lows of certain things either working in my favor or not working in my favor, to reframe certain things, like when I with my ego, think, oh, that didn't work out in my favor. I don't know that. I don't have enough of a perspective right now to say that that wasn't actually the answer to my prayers or what I wanted, right? Trusting the process that like this could just be an alignment of where I really need to be or what I really need to do. How do I know I know I wasn't fighting for my limitations by looking for that thing that I'm so upset about that didn't work
Sabre Cook 49:06
out? No, I completely agree that it's easy to stay in the limitations and think that, oh, this is so negative. This is a horrible thing that's happened. This has interfered with my plans. But no matter like whether you believe, whether it's God or the universe, maybe there's actually a way better way to get to where you want to go. And this is a step in taking you there. And I think something that the mantra that I don't remember which NFL coach this came from, it was some from many of the podcasts I've listened to, but he basically told his players, like, when something goes wrong, it's kind of like, So what now, what? And it goes along with to the, you know, the Jocko Wilkins saying, like, good, like, there's actually, like, something positive that you can find, and a reason why this, whatever a challenging situation comes up. But there's a reason for it, and there's always a positive in it. And I know that sounds all like whatever, but you have to choose to always be you have to kind of choose to always be winning, like, if you want to lose, if you want to be the loser, and then you want to be whiny and whatever. Like, you can totally choose that. But if you want, you're totally able to choose a win in every situation.
P N 50:26
Yeah? I mean, I think it's the recognition that In either event, we're choosing that it's not happening to you. You're choosing that, right? Yeah? You're choosing to view that as a negative, and you're choosing to carry that and like, when we really put that, a big part of changing my life was accountability, personal accountability, recognizing, like, how much agency we really do have over a lot of things, more than we think, not everything, but more than we may believe. And recognizing that when it like, I'm actively choosing to either sulk in this or make positive decisions for myself, right? I'm actively choosing to believe this thing or go find you know some asking the question, how? Not? Why? Right? How can I make this different? Not? Why did this happen? Would you call yourself a grateful person?
Sabre Cook 51:19
I would say, honestly, in the in the past, I was definitely more negative, but now I am. I am a recovering realist. So yeah, I do try to really focus on being grateful, because I think you know if you're if you're in a challenging situation, and you immediately go to like, all right, I'm thankful for this challenge. Because of this, it's really hard to be grateful and upset at the same time. Yeah, it also gets you present, because worrying about whatever happened or what's going to happen next doesn't really help your like, current, present situation. So, by like, switching it into gratitude is just a great way to like, be like, hey, right now, focus on the now. Yeah,
P N 52:09
yeah, it's super hard to be grateful and resentful at the same time. I've tried. Well, look, the name of the show is the jumping point, and it'd be silly if I didn't ask you the flagship question. So, the jumping point is something that I've come up with, I've shared about my own personal jumping points. You can have multiple but it's the moment in time where you're uncertain of what to do next, but you can't keep doing what you're doing. Right? It's that pivotal moment that jumping point you can have multiple but looking back on the last 30 years of you being around and doing all the things you've done, what do you think is probably one of the most significant jumping points that shapes how you think who you are, who you spend time around, the way that you live your life,
Sabre Cook 53:05
it's kind of hard to narrow it down to just one. I feel like there's like, kind of three big ones for me, but, and I really do think that there's small jumping points that we also make every single day, like we choose every single day whether to jump one step closer to being our best selves. So, but I if I had to pick, oh, this, if I have to pick one, I will say it's kind of a combo, because I feel like the universe was trying to make me learn a lesson, and I didn't learn it the first time. So, then I got, like, wham it again. Like, hey. So in in 2021 when I was racing in W series, which is an international f3 championship, I had a situation where the way that a race car works is in a Formula car, so open wheel car, where it's not like a sports car, we don't actually have any seats. Like, there's not a seat in it, you have to make a mold that goes around your body. It shapes to your body, and it fits inside of the monocoque, and it sits in there. And once you make it, it's all solidified and solid and everything. But if something happens to the seat, then you kind of like, you're open to injury. If you get into a crash, and it like, kind of slides around and makes it hard to drive, blah, blah, blah. So basically, that happened to me in the very first race of W series in 2021, and I asked, I was like, Well, can we make a new seat? Because the seat of mine had, like, fallen apart, it had broken. And they were like, No, we won't make you a new seat. And you know, I'm not a position. I wasn't. Oh, did I lose you? You
P N 54:51
can just keep talking through it.
Sabre Cook 54:53
Okay, I don't know what should happen. My both of my screens went black. Can you hear me?
P N 54:57
I can Yeah, it's all good. Remember I was saying, like, it's just okay
Sabre Cook 55:02
starting the internet, yeah, that was just a really big one. I've never seen that before. Okay, sorry, yeah, you're
P N 55:08
just like, your seat fell apart. And so, you were asking,
Sabre Cook 55:13
oh, I so I was asking, you know, can we make a new seat? Making a new seat is, like, probably 200 bucks, and I wasn't paying for the ride W series is all fully funded. You actually, like, you win money based on how you place. So, they were like, No, we're not going to make you a new seat. And I was like, Okay, well, typical old Sabra, all right. Like, I don't want to upset anybody. I don't I'll make it work. Like, it'll be fine. Like, all, even though it's like, not ideal situations, like, I'll, I'll overcome it, and I'll just, I'll do good anyways, even though it's, it's not, it's not a great situation. And I went out in first race, and I got hit by another car on my right side, and I ended up tearing my labrum in my hip, my hip, my femur was no longer sitting correctly in the hip joint. I herniated a disc in my back, compressed a couple of the others, and so that was not awesome. It was super painful. I and then same old Sabra kept racing through the same pain. Didn't like really to give it credit, I guess, what I was going through, like, what I was doing, I was like, oh, maybe I'm just, you know, I'm being a baby. It's, it's not that painful, like I can push through it, and kind of everything, every chance I would get to discount myself and what I deserved. And I took it right, like I took that choice to choose, not choose, basically, not choose me and not stand up for myself, because I didn't think that I was deserving of it or whatever. And then I went through this whole series, and it was incredibly painful. I couldn't get out of the car after races like it was, it was not an awesome situation. And then I finally found out, you know, what it what exactly it was when I was able to come back to the US. The doctors looked me over, and I eventually went and had hip surgery the next year and had to take a pretty big gap off of racing that season. And so, I all that to say I wasn't I didn't value myself enough that I stood up for myself and said No, like I'm not going to drive in a dangerous situation. I'm not going to drive with a disadvantage. I'm not going to drive in a in a very dangerous, unhealthy environment. And I'm not gonna keep doing this to myself through an entire year. I didn't do that. So that was kind of the universe's way of saying, like, Hey, you deserve just basic human things, right? Like, you deserve to take care of yourself. You deserve not to be in pain. You deserve to stand up for yourself and like and be your best advocate. Because I wasn't doing that before, and I'm, I'm a people pleaser. So, you know, that was hard for me too, right? So, I would say that was a big, a big life lesson for me that the universe was saying, Hey, you got to stand up for yourself. You have to love yourself, and you have to believe that you deserve to be taken care of. So fast forward, I had, I came back to racing, and everything was great, all good. Everything came back. Obviously, it was it was a long recovery, and that was a challenge in itself. But then in 2023, last year, I had another big crash, another car T boned me, and he was going about 150 miles an hour. He lost control of his car, and it was a really big impact, destroyed both cars and gave me a really big concussion, and I was not allowed to return to racing for the rest of the year. So, they have, like a thing with neurologists where they have to sign off and return your license. And so that was like another I feel like I'd gotten better a little bit at standing up for myself and trying to say, hey, when that something isn't right or something's pushing my boundaries. But then I feel like this was just another reminder by the universe that, like, Hey, you got to take care of yourself. You got to stand up for yourself. And I feel like, until finally, until this last big injury, I was still struggling to learn the lesson that I should have learned a long time ago, but now I'm, you know, I try to really speak up when something doesn't work for me. I don't sacrifice, you know, my mental physical health, to bend over backwards and kill myself, to just please someone else. And I without those, I think those jumping points, I wouldn't. Learned that really valuable lesson that I have to choose me first.
P N 1:00:19
Where do you think that initial sort of, like, you mentioned people pleasing. I know all about that. Where do you think that came up? Like, why was that in there? Why do you think, or have you worked on that or talked about that or thought about that, like, what was it about you that didn't want to let other people down to the point where you put yourself in jeopardy? Like, where did that come from?
Sabre Cook 1:00:50
I think part of it, obviously, I feel like, like, all good, good, good trauma comes from your childhood. So, I think it's hard to nail down exactly like when that came about, but I think from a young age, like I was so focused on like, I honestly, I feel like I've just been this way the whole time, is like, doing everything as best as I possibly can, like, to the point of like, detriment to myself. And I really, honestly don't know when that when that started, because my mom, like, she likes to tell a story, of, like, when I was, like, two years old, she'd asked me to help clean the bathroom or something, and I would just like, scrub and scrub and scrub. And then she'd be like, Honey, it's fine. It's done. It's good. And I'm just like, No, it's not clean enough. Like, that's just how I've been since I can remember. So, it's hard to say. I feel like maybe it's, I mean, growing up as a woman in a male dominated space, because I've kind of been in it from a very young age, I would say a lot of times you get told, Oh, like, you know you're not good enough, you're not meant to be here. Things aren't really made for you. Like, the A lot of times, like, our gear is not actually made for us as a woman. Like, usually, maybe it doesn't fit right, or just, like, simple things, like, we have these things called rib protectors, and you can imagine why that maybe isn't made for a woman, like, when nobody thinks about it, and the way that a seat is made in a go kart, like, none of that fits if you're a young woman growing up. So I think I was conditioned from a young age that like, Well, none of these things are made for me, but I'm not going to worry about it, because I'm just going to go out there and drive and all overcome the obstacles, despite being at a disadvantage, and I just felt like that was always the ways that it has been, and it didn't even register to me that I should be like, No. Like, I deserve to be starting from the same point as everyone else. Like, why do I need to be at a disadvantage? So, I think maybe that's where it came from, is it? It just had always kind of been that way.
P N 1:03:05
Yeah, no. I mean, I get it like, especially, you know, what I found is working with a lot of entrepreneurs, high performers, executive leaders, we all have that in common, right? Men and women, that like, there was this many of us now, it's not nothing's universal, but many of us have had that sort of desire to prove ourselves. Most of the time. It comes from childhood, right? I would get an A minus, and it wasn't good enough, you know, and, and, or that feeling of not enough, the feeling of not enough, and I'll never be loved if we strip away everything that usually resonates with people that, like, you know, I was kind of out running the bear right, chasing something I wanted to show I wanted to prove them wrong. I don't know who them is and what it was that I was trying to prove them wrong about, but you know that that sort of phrase and that idea, and it drives us, and if we're not careful, it can consume us absolutely. And it sounds like you've hit your jumping point, and you didn't do the same thing. So now, having your concussion, like you did have, there was a protocol. But what's it like coming back from that? And I mean, it can't, it couldn't have been easy, and what did you feel like during that year that you can't do the thing that you spent so much time training and put so much into yourself to be able to do?
Sabre Cook 1:04:31
I think the two big injuries that I've recently had have taught me two big lessons. The first one with my hip and my back taught me the power of, like, consistent action. It doesn't have to be, you know, I used to, like, I feel like I was always thinking, Oh, I've got to show up to the gym and absolutely crush my workout and like, all this or that. And then I realized, going through the rehab, it's just about showing up, like, Yes, I'm going to give my best. That I can that day, but I don't have to. I don't have to break world records every day, right? Like I can be a normal human and I can, it's okay to like to show up and you know what? Maybe today is not as good as it was yesterday, and nothing is linear. I think that that was a really big thing for me. It's just power of consistent action, and that growth is not linear, which I kind of already, already knew the growth thing, but, yeah, consistent action. And then with the concussion, I mean, I still have certain times if I push myself too hard, or something like that, I will get symptoms that will come back up. And the first year after, like, a really big head injury, I think is everybody that has them, you know, we all like talk about it. We're like, Yeah, that first year back, you know, it just, it takes a bit for it to fully heal. And it's, it's incredibly frustrating coming back from a concussion, especially, I think in today's age, because screens are our entire lives. So that was also a really good lesson for me, is because I talked about, you know, leaning in and having more people help me after that concussion, I it was almost impossible for me to work on a computer. But if I was the only one responsible for getting things done, and I'm the only one being able to do all these things, what happens when I'm out of commission, right? So that, for me, was an eye-opening thing. I'm like, Okay, I've got to have some help, because I can't be left high and dry if this situation ever would happen again. So, I think, but with the concussion, it was, you know, lots of, lots of PT, lots of just really taking care not to trigger symptoms. And if a symptom came up, really just basically shutting down, resting, shutting your brain down, no TV, no cell phone, no computer, like all of that. Just really bringing yourself back to just being like resting, present in the moment and giving yourself a chance to reset and recover. And I think the other thing that I learned with the concussion stuff is, I mean, we've already kind of talked about it, is the power of your thoughts, which I knew, like as an athlete, like I knew that was a thing, but I didn't really fully grasp the power of it, I think, until I was coming back from the concussion, like how powerful it is on the little thoughts that you say to yourself throughout the day. I mean, I've been trying to, you know, work on that. Yeah, whatever, whatever I say to myself, blah, blah, blah. Kind of roll my eyes when people would say it, but then, yeah, coming back from the concussion, really, it really stripped that back and made me realize how important, important it really is, the way that you talk to yourself in the moments in between the great things, right? I think, I think that's what really makes the greats great, is not that they did this incredible, crazy, amazing performance, yeah, but the thing that allowed them to deliver that crazy, incredible performance was the way that they spoke to themselves and the way that they thought in the tiny moments in between each action. I think that is what really made the difference.
P N 1:08:19
Yeah. Well, I love that. I think that's a great place for us to end. I feel like I could talk to you all afternoon, but I know you've got you've got things you've got to get going and doing. And thanks again, Sabra, this has been great to sit down and just kind of hang with you and chat with you. Hopefully we get to do something in person. I spent a lot of time with pen fed. They're one of your, one of your great sponsors there?
Sabre Cook 1:08:41
Yeah, we'll have to have you out to a race and see the pen fed car. See everybody out there, they they're awesome. They've the pen fed team is incredible, and they've supported me a lot in the last couple of years and supported my return back to racing right after I had that, that big accident. So, they've been pretty incredible allies for me.
P N 1:09:01
Yeah, love the team. Sam's a huge fan of yours. I love every time I get a chance to talk to her, too. So yeah, thanks again. And yeah, I'm just looking forward to seeing you in person. So, hang on. Let me just capture this. Don't go anywhere. I'm going to click end recording. But let me just capture Alright, yeah, right, yeah, so thanks again, and I appreciate you being on the show.
Sabre Cook 1:09:27
Thanks so much. Bye.