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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse. So if you've been watching this show for some time or say you're new, welcome. You know that one of the big topics topics that I've covered is health freedom and the dangers of the medical mafia, the pharmaceutical industrial complex. But there are some pretty significant shifts that are happening, in this landscape, especially with the appointment of RFK junior as the head of HHS, which now will have, you know, NIH, FDA, CDC all under his control.
Seth Holehouse:And he's been tasked with digging into the data to figure out where are the bodies buried. And so there's a lot of questions that I have. Questions such as what happens if the, vaccine act of 1986, which gave them, you know, the, pharmaceutical companies basically full, you know, protection from any liability for their products. What happens if that's repealed? What does it look like?
Seth Holehouse:Can we go back in time and and uncover some, you know, RICO type charges, improve criminal conspiracy? Will they get broken up? What happens with operation warp speed? Is is, you know, Kennedy gonna be bringing this information to Trump? Will Trump finally come out and say, wow.
Seth Holehouse:Look, folks, I was deceived, and and now I've got the information, and we're gonna prosecute accordingly. There's a lot of questions I have, and there's really no better guess to understand these things and dive in these topics than my good friend, attorney Tom Rinz. So Tom and I are gonna be diving into the topics I've presented and so much more in this interview. So folks, please enjoy this discussion with Tom Rens. Folks, we all see it.
Seth Holehouse:Everything's getting more expensive. We're paying two, three, four times what things cost just a few years ago. And we know they're lying. 3% inflation, really? Think about it.
Seth Holehouse:Why are they telling us to keep our hard earned money in the banks and stock market while they're rushing to buy gold and silver? That's right. Governments and central banks around the world are dumping the dollar and scrambling to buy gold and silver right now. These are smart people. They see the signs just like you do.
Seth Holehouse:They know the crash is coming. The dollar has lost more than half its value in the last five years, and our national debt's increasing a trillion dollars every hundred days. It can't go on like this. Even Bank of America's warning about a dollar collapse. And if they're right, it's only a matter of time before our savings, our IRAs, and our four zero one k's could be wiped out.
Seth Holehouse:Look. Right now, it's still easy to buy gold and silver, but in the future, it may not be. Experts are saying that prices will keep surging, and UBS says that gold could even go up to $5,000 an ounce. Noble Gold's phones have been ringing off the hook because the folks who get it are wasting time. Now, I can't tell you what to do with your hard earned money, but I can tell you that even if just some of your savings are in gold and silver, you can rest assured that money is safe.
Seth Holehouse:So call Noble Gold and protect your wealth today. It's better to be six months early than one day late. So call Noble Gold today at (626) 654-1906 or visit goldwithseth.com and set up your free wealth consultation. The phone number and the websites are also in the show's description. Mister Tom Rens, it's always a pleasure having you on the show.
Seth Holehouse:Thank you so much for giving me your time today.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's my honor, Seth. It's always good to see you. Hey. I am, I'm getting a little bit scruffy. I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to be cool like Seth Olhauf here and, get a little bit of this going.
Speaker 2:I haven't decided whether we're gonna keep it yet, but, doing some of this now.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, it's it's great. And you've got the the the the little white streaks in it and everything, and, yeah, I'm I've I've always been a a big fan of like, the last time I shaved, I think I was three years old. That was my last time shaving. So since then, I've just been a pretty fully bearded guy. So
Speaker 2:Well, I always I always admired the beard, so I I know that's not what we're here for, but, you know, I just, we're we're looking a little bit of a Santa Claus thing this year. We'll see how it goes whether we keep it or not, but, you know, we're we're giving it a shot.
Seth Holehouse:There you go. Well, good. So there's there's a lot, there's a lot going on, and I know that you're someone, especially the past four years, that has been, going up head to head against the medical industrial complex, the the partnership that you know, between the private public partnership between the medical industrial complex and our own government. You've been up against the the DOJ, you know, big pharma, and we're seeing what I hope to be a real shift in this battle where where we finally have a change of guard that's coming, if if we get to that place, hopefully, we do, at the very high levels of our government and especially with the appointment of, you know, of, you know, RFK junior as the head of the HHS, obviously, overseeing the FDA, the NIH, the CDC. These could be very significant changes.
Seth Holehouse:They could also fall, you know, fall short and be a lot of lip service, and we could be, you know, in Operation Warp Speed two point o in three years. I you know, I'm not gonna discount that because we had to stay vigilant. But from your your perspective and seeing the opportunity, that's presenting itself and and having RFK in this position and, you know, hopefully, the full support of Trump even to go after, you know, questioning, like, hey. What's really happening with the the COVID vaccines, etcetera? What do you think that we're at a place where especially if the if the act of 1986 is repealed, right, which gave these vaccine makers a complete, you know, like, liability for anything they're they're producing and shoving into our children and, you know, autism, you know, rates, everything is skyrocketing because of that.
Seth Holehouse:Do you think that what we're witnessing is the beginning of the dismantling of the pharmaceutical and medical industrial complex? I mean, you think that that's on the table for for what's coming next?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I'm I'm certainly hopeful and prayerful on it. I mean, at the end of the day, that has to happen. You know, there there's so many things that they can do, and we don't even I hope they'll repeal the 86 act for sure, but I'll tell you, there's so many things that we can do, and Bobby's a clever guy. So he's an attorney, he knows the issues. One of the things right off the top of my head, these mRNA vaccines, they had to change the definition of vaccine to call them a vaccine.
Speaker 2:They're not actually a vaccine. So if they can change the definition to call them a vaccine, they can certainly change the definition to make sure that they aren't. And they're not properly, they're properly a gene therapy drug as they were traditionally defined. So there's a million things that we can do, informed consent, insurance rules, things like that. And these are things that can be done immediately and through the through the the HHS that will have a huge impact without having to worry about congressional issues or legislation, things like that.
Speaker 2:If Bobby's smart and he does this and he undermines this properly through the through the regulatory process, the legislature will be in a good spot to actually get something done because, they're gonna have to weaken the pharmaceutical industrial complex before they can, really get anywhere with Congress, because Congress has bought and paid for largely.
Seth Holehouse:And so looking at the act, you know, of 1986, which I think is, as much as people have this these beautiful fond memories of Reagan, you know, when I look at Reagan, I see him pinning in this act, you know, which which, you know, gave, you know, limited liability. It's it's the same thing. Let's just say you own a restaurant and you're serving food, and, you know, you you you're, like, a massive chain, and you're not liable. Right? So say that your food's poisoning millions of people, and there's millions that are dying and having all kinds of it it's, like, how how crazy would that be?
Seth Holehouse:It's, well, how would you not be liable if you're serving cyanide laced pizza at every single restaurant or or formaldehyde, which is literally what they're doing. Right? So you're you're putting formaldehyde into your fountain drinks, and people are drinking it and dying. But let's I I wanna hone in on this on the what ifs. So if they repealed this this act of 1986 and the vaccine companies and manufacturers and and the really, the the pharmaceutical industrial complex suddenly became liable.
Seth Holehouse:Do you think that then they that if that was repealed because I know that, you know, your attorney, you understand legally how these things work. So do you think that we would potentially see the world's largest class action lawsuit in the history of everything? I mean, could could it really go back? Do you think that they could really go back to '86 and potentially, you know, kind of have studies showing that the vaccines have caused autism, that they were they were hiding these studies, etcetera, because think about how many lives have been affected since '86 because of these. How many sudden infant deaths have happened that are actually caused by the vaccines?
Seth Holehouse:How many cases of autism, of any number of things? I mean, to me, if I look at that, I'd say, gosh, it'd be it's like even a trillion dollars may not be enough to compensate No. All the victims. So how how would you see that playing out?
Speaker 2:Well, let me answer it in two parts. So first of all, let me go back to your original analogy that it's similar to a restaurant maker putting formaldehyde in their fountain drink. That's actually truer than you'd think, and let me tell you why. Because it's not only like a restaurant maker putting formaldehyde in their fountain drink and then watching people die. The 86 Act was really essentially saying that, hey, these restaurant makers that are putting formaldehyde in their drink and letting people die are necessary.
Speaker 2:We know it's gonna kill people, but it's necessary because people are hungry. And if they don't eat, they're gonna die anyways. So let's let them do that, right? Instead of actually saying, well maybe we don't put formaldehyde and we you know, serve them something healthy or do something right, we're just gonna go this So the protection is absurd, and the argument is absurd. I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2:So the problem is, though, is if we repeal the act, you know, legally, you're not gonna be able to go back to go after the people that did this during the act unless there there's some sort of evidence that there was an issue during the act. Right? So when when a law changes, the people who follow the law during the course of the law aren't gonna be subject to liability for what they did under the law, if that makes sense. Right? But but but but but here's the big kind of 600 pound grill in the room.
Speaker 2:Bobby's going to have access to the actual science and data, right? So Bobby's going into HHS. He's gonna have the real science and the real data. If he makes that public, then that's going to, in my estimation, show an immense amount of fraud, an immense number of lies, right? So what you can't do is you can't provide liability protection for someone that's breaking another law, right?
Speaker 2:So you can go after them for Well, example, I would argue that the rules of informed consent have not been followed in any way, shape, or form, and that they were knowingly not followed. I think that where where we're gonna see some real action and where we can see the biggest action are in Rico suits and things like that. There's collusion that's occurred for the last, you know, several decades between the government and big pharma, and, it's illegal collusion in my opinion. I mean, we'll see. We'll see where the evidence goes.
Speaker 2:So what we're gonna be looking at is there are exemptions to governmental immunity and to certain types of immunity that exist when when there's abuses of power. RICO allows for that to happen in certain instances. Right? Now it's a it's a tough case.
Seth Holehouse:Tom, can you explain RICO? Just just for for folks who aren't familiar with the term, like, kind of what what is RICO?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So RICO action racketeering corrupt organizations. Right? So it it's a law RICO laws are really about conspiracies. Right?
Speaker 2:We not conspiracy theories, but actual conspiracies.
Seth Holehouse:Like conspiring to do harm knowingly.
Speaker 2:Right? Colluding and, yeah, a lot of it stemmed from from the mob days. You know, the old days of the the the mobsters and the gangsters, right, where you hear, you know, one you'll hear about the mobsters extorting money out of different organizations and using one organization to extort money from another. Hey, you're gonna buy from my, my company or or you're gonna have a problem. You're gonna need some protection, so you're gonna buy it from my company, right?
Speaker 2:It stemmed from there. But, basically, RICO RICO allows through a series of laws for us to potentially go after gum government criminals. Now federal employees, federal, federal anything are largely immune to lawsuits. We've the government has somehow created a situation where the public servants are unaccountable to the public. It's mind blowing.
Speaker 2:Right? So if you're a bureaucrat, legally suing you is very difficult. You have all sorts of immunity, all sorts of different things. And, so these bureaucrats are really very bulletproof. Plus, they're very hard to fire because they have a a constitutional property right in their in their jobs.
Speaker 2:So they're hard to fire. You can't sue them. Basically, these bureaucrats get in there. They're bulletproof. They do whatever they want.
Speaker 2:But there are certain exemptions. If these bureaucrats are committing certain corrupt acts or or they're, you know, working in a corrupt way, sometimes that immunity can be beaten. Right? It can be pierced. It can be knocked down.
Speaker 2:And the specifics are very complicated and very case specific. But I would argue, and I'm I guess to my estimation, what I'm looking forward to is if Bobby can make data available, proper data, there will be Rico suits available in my opinion. I think I I think they will come available. And I think at that point, we can get justice. People started in COVID.
Speaker 2:Rens, how do we get justice? How do we get well, we've gotta have a change in the change in the guard first. Right? This is why I fought so hard to get Trump in there. We had to have a change of guard.
Speaker 2:Now Trump did what he promised to do and put Bobby in in charge of HHS. If Bobby takes and makes the right information available and Bobby's a lawyer and he's a smart lawyer, so he's gonna know what I'm, you know, he knows what I'm talking about here. If he makes the right information available, there will likely be certain RICO type suits and other actions that can be filed against some of these government actors and in conjunction with Big Pharma and some of these others to get some justice. Now, you also mentioned that a trillion dollars is probably not enough, and you're right. One of the big issues is there isn't enough money on the planet to make wholesome of what people have experienced, right?
Speaker 2:We had $14,000,000,000,000 change hands just during COVID in The United States. That's not all gonna get recovered, right? A lot of it was put overseas. The the billionaire class, once they get the money, they put it in different places around the world. It's very hard to get to.
Speaker 2:It's unlikely that we'll ever see the full justice that we need unless there are criminal charges, which also may happen now that we have a Trump DOJ. So more on that to come, I guess.
Seth Holehouse:Okay. So that makes sense. So, basically okay. So because there was a law from '86 up until now giving them, you know, you know, basically protecting them from being liable for their products, that if they were if they were acting as a a just organization and, you know, maybe the you know, of course, there's always collateral damage. Right?
Seth Holehouse:So Yep. You could say that, yes. Okay. Well, they might be thinking, well, we've saved millions of lives, and we've only lost, you know, a thousand lives. And, you know, of course, you know, we're always met with these kinds of decisions, in terms of how to say to do the most good.
Seth Holehouse:It's never black and white where it's just, you know, if you do this, it's gonna be only good outcomes with nothing negative happening. So that would basically, as I understand it, say, you know, tomorrow that was repealed, we couldn't go back ten years ago and say, well, this kid who developed autism because of the vaccine, you know, he can't then go and sue because that happened under the umbrella of that protection. However, as I understand what you're saying, these RICO laws, if we can go back through Bobby coming in, releasing the data, if we can go back and people smart people like yourself or, say, you know, Leigh Dundas or any of these folks that really understand the legality of these things can go back in and say, hey. Hold on real quick. You know, in the in the nineties, you know, we can prove here that with the the data information that there were so many studies coming out against, you know, this potential vaccine that were showing that it causes, yet they knowingly hid that information from the public.
Seth Holehouse:You know, they they did x, y, and z. So if if which I agree with you that I think you'd likely would find a lot of skeletons in that closet that you'd open up. Yep. That if you can prove that there was a criminal conspiracy that they knowingly defrauded or knowingly lied to the public and that lie caused harm, or if they if they actually they bypassed informed consent, which is another important part of this. Like, for instance, sending out COVID vaccines with your paper that shows all the side effects and all the all the information being blank.
Seth Holehouse:To me, that that that's kind of your your your your peak definition of not having informed consent. It's like, okay. What am I shooting into my arm? Oh, well, here's your here's your blank piece of paper. It's kind of like, okay.
Seth Holehouse:Well, here, this is it. Here's here's the the issues that could potentially arise from this vaccine. It's like, I I don't see myocarditis on there. I don't see strokes on there. I don't see, you know, sudden death on there.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. So so that that's what that does give you hope then that, basically, this information coming to light would be enough, hopefully, to start dismantling this this corruption.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean and in the meantime, Bobby's gonna be taking steps, you know, to try and, undo some of the protections and some of the issues that they have, you know, internally. I mean, some of the regulatory protections, some of this, that, and other.
Speaker 2:You know, we've essentially had a situation where the entirety of HHS has been weaponized against the American public in favor of the people buying them off, has been big pharma. I mean, we've got a revolving door between employees and the FDA and throughout HHS and big pharma. You go there, you work at HHS for a few years, then you go to the FDA or to Pfizer or Moderna or whoever. And it's just a revolving door. Right?
Speaker 2:So they they just they control it entirely. So that's a big issue. You know, just getting rid of these crooks and getting in some good scientists. You know, I would love to see some guys. I'd love to see Richard Bartlett brought in.
Speaker 2:You know, I would love to see if McCullough wants a job there. I would love to see him there. You know, there's a few doctors and scientists that I really have a lot of respect for that that aren't gonna care about politics. They're not gonna be right or left. They're just gonna care about the science.
Speaker 2:And that's what we need in a science driven position. You know, there's a few of those guys that ought to be there. But given the right data and the right information, you know, the lawyers can really kinda jump on this. And I think there's some real room to see some progress. And I think that if we do this right, I think that we can really we can start the process of getting to justice.
Speaker 2:Now, ultimately, the one thing that I believe that has to happen is I believe that we're gonna have to get to where we see criminal charges. So one of the tests that I think is gonna be important to see, you know, Donald Trump is coming in, and, he knows he's been, you know, screwed over for years. Right? He knows the what the deep state's done, this, that, and other. Now the question is where he's gonna be on this COVID vaccine, HHS stuff.
Speaker 2:Because he's been kinda back and forth on the vaccines. But he got it right. He put Bobby there, and he charged Bobby with following the science. Now I know, whether Trump knows it or not, that, you know, COVID was built in a lab by with the help of the American, you know, American scientists, American this, American that. I've I've shown this.
Speaker 2:I've shown the documents. I've brought the receipts. You know, I can I know, someone's welcome to sue me for defamation if they think that that's untrue, but good luck? We've got everything that demonstrates that that's correct, right? What we need to do is help the president to realize that this entire bioweapons debacle from 2020 was really it it was the number one salvo against him.
Speaker 2:If he recognizes that and if we're able to actually get the justice department to start going criminal charges against some of these people, that's going to be the game changer because the only way to stop what's occurring is criminal charges because it's still going on, right? We have gain of function work still happening around the world. We have gain of function work still being supported by American money, American dollars, American this, American that. That gain of function work is really just bioweapons development. The the the process for bioweapons development and gain of function is identical.
Speaker 2:The only difference between the two is the motive. Right? So when you do bioweapons work, legally, bioweapons work means you're trying to create some sort of a more dangerous pathogen that can be weaponized and used against an enemy, right? Well, gain of function is creating a more dangerous pathogen so that you can theoretically create a cure for it before it comes out. There's literally no difference except for the motive behind it.
Speaker 2:So this type of stuff has to be stopped. We have to recognize that if you're allowing someone to develop a bioweapon so that they can develop a cure, well guess what? There's an incredible motive than for that bioweapon to accidentally be released, because guess what? You're gonna be the guy that's making the money off of it. It's a it's a just a terrible terrible situation.
Seth Holehouse:So I wanted to bring up, I was looking at finding this while you're talking. This is something that in showing you you mentioned the revolving door. Right? So this is a post that was put out, I think, by, Kenneth Cole, the great. So he's saying this is this a handful of people.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So this, Mark McClellan. Right? So he is the former FDA commissioner and is in in charge of regulating Johnson and Johnson, and he's also now he is a current member of the board of directors of Johnson and Johnson. Scott, Gottlieb is a former FDA commissioner in charge of regulating Pfizer, and he's also a current member of the board of directors of Pfizer.
Seth Holehouse:You know, Steven Hahn, again, former FDA commissioner, in charge of regulating Moderna, and he's also now the chief medical officer of flagship pioneering, the venture capital firm behind Moderna. James Smith, same thing. Anthony Fauci. Right? So and and this this post got 40,000,000 views, right, because Elon, I think, kinda highlighted this.
Seth Holehouse:So, like, this to me is, like, it this is pretty damning, and not I'm not saying that these are criminals, but in saying that this isn't right. Right? This isn't this isn't correct. And so so you're thinking that, you know, basically and I wanna get into the the, you know, so the gated function research and the bio you know, bioweapon aspect of this, but, this I know that Trump has talked about already. He's come out saying that he's gonna, I think, have, like, a seven year cooling off period to make sure that, you know, this doesn't happen.
Seth Holehouse:You know, that you you know, or even more so that, say, you are you work for the NSA and you're in, you know, national security intelligence that you can't quit that job and go work at Twitter the next day as someone in charge of, you know, monitoring, you know, data for, you know, the the people across around the world. So getting into I wanna I wanna transition, though, into, some of the technology, like the replicon, and and what's kinda coming out of Japan and some of these bigger threats. Because regardless of what happens with, you know, with Bobby at the helm and and let's just say they do genuinely go in there and break this up, the concern is what's the long term damage of what they've already done. And and so now I I do but before I jump to that, do wanna touch on operation warp speed and Trump because I know that you and I have done a a couple of shows. We've had, you know, the hard conversations about this, and, you know, I will say you know, I think I'm on the same page as you that I think that that, hopefully, Trump is willing to, accept what information comes out from this.
Seth Holehouse:And I think that I feel like they've been cautious, you know, with with a lot of what RFK is talking about in the MAHA movement. They haven't really tied it that strongly to the vaccines, and they haven't you know, he hasn't really touched at all operation warp speed in a very big way. I know that, you know, Shannon at one point was saying, look. You know, if we're gonna get behind Trump, we want we want him to, know, kind of publicly talk about this and which didn't happen. They still supported him, obviously, for the greater good.
Seth Holehouse:I just I hope I really sincerely hope that that Trump himself is willing to accept this information, but or maybe there is some more some more of a a four d or a five d chess move where this is the way that he's kinda fix it is by, you know, putting someone in in charge like Bobby that will go in, find the evidence that would that can then show that, yeah, in fact, that Trump was lied to, that there was massive collusion. Like, if you go into Paula Alexander's work, what he's talked about was happening within the organizations at this at the time, you know, around operation warp speed, that there was a, you know, massive motive to pin this stuff on Trump, to use the deaths of COVID, etcetera, to to, you know, collapse, you support for Trump. So I I hope that I hope there's a willingness to expose this because I I if if we can't, like, if we if we can't talk it's one thing to talk about the poisons in the food and the FDA and and, you know, why why are kids having these dyes that are you you can't find in Europe that are causing issues.
Seth Holehouse:Of course, that's important, but if we can't have a serious conversation about what the COVID vaccines have have done to the American population, let alone the world population, I I don't see any hope, actually, if we can't talk about these things very, very bluntly and honestly.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We've gotta be able to discuss it. And the thing that we've gotta work on is, you know, here's the deal. Trump was lied to. I mean, he was lied to.
Speaker 2:So this is an extremely, extremely complicated issue. Go back to 2020, right? So I'd like to think I'm an educated guy. I was an attorney. I was this, I was that.
Speaker 2:In 2019, I was pro vaxx. I thought vaccines were great. I thought I had no issues with them. 2020 rolls around. We get this COVID nonsense and I start researching.
Speaker 2:I mean, it took me literally thousands of hours to uncover what I know. And then to to boil it down and weaponize it in a way where I could get it out to the public and people could hear real truth. That took literally thousands of hours. And I'm I'm not an educated guy. Right?
Speaker 2:So you've gotta understand, president Trump is trying to run a country. He's under attack from the left all the time. Russia collusion hoax, all these different things. There's a million different things happening. All of the media in unison, all of the the public health officials in unison start talking about this crisis, this COVID crisis that's gonna kill us all.
Speaker 2:Remember the curve? Everybody's forgotten the curve. Remember the curve? We had to lock down to protect us from the curve, you know, because everybody was gonna die from COVID if we didn't lock down. Trump is getting 100% unified advice from every adviser he's got.
Speaker 2:Right? Now there were some saying maybe we shouldn't lock down, maybe this, maybe that. But the the entire country was put into a panic. Okay? And and this was intentional.
Speaker 2:We've since been able to show. We've got the data. We've got the evidence. This was something that Fauci and his crew did with Bill Gates, all these guys. They did everything they could to stoke fear to facilitate this.
Speaker 2:So Trump hears there's a problem. He says, let's find a solution. That's what he did. Right? Now what he didn't know, and he couldn't know at the time, was that they were lying to him about everything.
Speaker 2:First of all, COVID wasn't all that dangerous. Second of all, they had already developed the vaccines, they were sitting on a shelf. I mean, the idea that somehow they developed these mRNA vaccines in the two minutes. I mean, you know, Trump says we're gonna do it, and five minutes later, there's one sitting on the shelf. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay. That's real. You know, I mean but they all lied and lied and lied. And meanwhile, this guy's gotta run a country. He's under attack.
Speaker 2:There's stuff happening all over the globe. There's no way.
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Speaker 2:The the Donald Trump could have, in any capacity, been aware of what was going on. So what happens is is then Donald Trump gets lied to. They use this to steal the election and to make $14,000,000,000,000. The $14,000,000,000,000 that they transferred out of The US alone has since been used nonstop to to in a weaponized fashion against Donald Trump. They wanted to keep him out of the White House again.
Speaker 2:They wanted to attack everything that they could do. And, I mean, he was basically, doing he wasn't wrong. He was just making a decision based on the information he had available. Now the problem was his information was wrong. So here's the thing.
Speaker 2:Now we can get him the true, the real information. Right? We can show him. Bobby Kennedy can go in there and he can say, Mr. President, you know, there's been all this stuff in the media and I understand, you know, maybe you don't know Tom Wrens and Seth Holehouse.
Speaker 2:So maybe you aren't sure why you should trust them over some democrat or some donor or some this or some that, right? Here's the deal, I'm your HHS guy. I'm gonna show you what we had in the government that they didn't show you. So if he shows Donald Trump and Donald Trump says, oh my god, Wrens and Whole House were right, then he can take steps. That's my hope, right?
Speaker 2:But of the things, and I'm frustrated, right? So I've been frustrated that we've been saying this, we've been saying that, and Trump has kinda been back and forth on it. But remember, if you're Donald Trump, you have the richest, most powerful people on the planet spending insane amounts of money to have people lie to you about the safety and efficacy of these poisons and tell you, no, you did great job. Donald, it's a great job. Trump, great job.
Speaker 2:Great job. So how he's got us on one side. He's got the richest, most powerful people on the planet on the other. Now I think this is a credit to Donald Trump. The guy is so smart enough that even with the richest, most powerful people on the planet, he's heard the American people.
Speaker 2:He's heard people like us. He's aware, and he's kept an open mind on this. And his position is, listen, You know, you know, a lot of people tell me the vaccines are poison, but then a lot of other people tell me they save lives. So I think what's happened is is he's charged Kennedy with, give me the truth. That's a win for us because we know the truth.
Speaker 2:You and I know the truth. So to me, what happens here is Bobby's position allows him to get Trump the real truth, right, which is something we've already uncovered. But I'm not Trump's best buddy. You know, Trump doesn't he doesn't know me. I mean, he knows my name, but he doesn't know who I you know, he doesn't know if I'm trustworthy.
Speaker 2:He doesn't know me. And everybody stabs this guy in the back. Now with Bobby in the position he's gonna be in, he's got someone that he can look at who can bring him the actual evidence, and Trump can make the right decision for himself. At that point, I think Trump shifts gears. I think when Trump has the actual evidence that this was a plot to overthrow him, it was part of a coup, it was part of the I think at that point, I think he shifts gears.
Speaker 2:And I think at that point, we start getting towards the real justice that we've all been asking for.
Seth Holehouse:Which is certainly my hope as well. And I think that you know, and I think that, you know, we're back to, you know, one of our conversations that we had way earlier on about Trump and Operation Warp Speed, and whether he'd be the fall guy, and and, you know, we we went deep into this discussion. And Yeah. And maybe it may look maybe even a year ago, you know, he he he was already thinking and and hearing solid information. It was making him think, gosh.
Seth Holehouse:Maybe I was really lied to, and this is actually really bad, but he's he's strategic. He's not gonna come out a year ago and all of a sudden change, you know, change his tune. And, you know, he's obviously it has to get reelected. Maybe he's thinking, okay. The long term strategy is if I get someone I trust in to head the HHS, that then this evidence can come back to him because then I think he can he can genuinely come out and say, look.
Seth Holehouse:This is the evidence that, you know, Bobby's brought to me. It's apparent that I was lied to. It's it's now apparent to me based upon the evidence of, you know, increase in myocarditis, you know, the the military, like, you, you know, what you were testifying about, the the increase in all the the terrible things happening to our servicemen and women that he would look at this and say, wow. This is this is pretty serious. And then and then start thinking about, okay.
Seth Holehouse:Well, hey. Let's have Matt Gaetz start building a case against these people. We're gonna start prosecutions. We're gonna go after, you know, criminal conspiracy. I would love to see that happen.
Seth Holehouse:Not because I I've got a particular agenda or that I'm it's just that I want justice. Like, that's my stance. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you're left or right or black or white. I I I personally, I believe in God. I believe that there is truth.
Seth Holehouse:I believe there's good and evil, and I believe that justice, is so important in a society. And a society that has no justice where people have lost faith in the rule of law is a side a society that won't last very long. But a society where there is justice and where there's consequences, it's, you know, like my four year old. If if she if there's no consequence for her, you know, climbing up the pantry, you know, shelves and eating a whole box of chocolate, she'll do it every day. Right?
Seth Holehouse:But if there's a consequence to it and she's got a red butt because of it, because she got spanked Yeah. Right, you know, then then she won't do that again because there's justice. And as the head of my household, I have to implement a system of justice to make things make sure things stay in somewhat of an of of order. Right? And and we need to see that.
Seth Holehouse:We need to have we need to have confidence again. I we need to see, you know, prosecutions. Maybe in the future, we see people being tried for, you know, for treason, and maybe we've even seen public hangings come back again, which I think is, you know, it's I'm not, you know, saying go hang these people. Okay? But if people are found to be guilty of massive criminal conspiracies that have that have affected millions of people, then there needs to be justice surrounding that.
Seth Holehouse:And as an attorney, I'm sure that you are are someone that believes in the value of justice as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Justice and revenge are two different things. Right? Good point. So revenge is an evil thing that we don't want to fall into, and they can never be the same thing.
Speaker 2:But I am a huge believer in justice. Justice has to be served here, right? So people have said to me a lot of times, do you want to see Fauci hung? Well, no, I want justice, right? Now if that means he gets hung, sure, right?
Speaker 2:And that probably is what that means. But it wasn't just Fauci, right? We have the Gates Foundation and Bill Gates. We have the Welcome Trust. We have the Rockefellers.
Speaker 2:We have all these different groups that have contributed to this. I mean, I've got the paper trail on it, right? Here's a little gift for the guys from Rockefeller, because So I have about a terabyte of data that was given to me from a whistleblower in the Rockefeller Foundation that I have not made an ounce of public. It was actually through several whistleblowers. And, you know, we know what you guys did.
Speaker 2:And I can also tell you because part of the whistleblower data that I received, demonstrated how they do a, you know, they track when you talk about them, and they have meetings, and they discuss, what their public response is gonna be, how they're gonna manage it, what they're gonna do, this, that, and other. And so you guys can know in your meeting that you're gonna have, because I know that you track and you look for people who are talking about, that we do have an immense amount of data on your involvement and things related to COVID and a bunch of other things. And I'm not saying that we're going public with any of it, because I can't risk the identity of the whistleblower. But just know that we know what's going on. We do.
Speaker 2:We've got, know, and not just them. I mean, we've got a bunch of different, some of the European foundations and trusts and families. I mean we've been gathering data for four and a half years, Seth. And we know who's behind what. The question is going to be, you know, when do we use this?
Speaker 2:Who do we use this with? Who can we get the right information to to ensure that they've, there's gonna be some real accountability and justice. But justice has to come. And, the people who were behind, the greatest attack on the human race in history I mean, think about this, Seth. World War two, I don't think anybody can really compare to the evil of Hitler.
Speaker 2:But Hitler, World War two, sixty million people dead. Right? Now think of how many people died from COVID and from the vaccines and are going to continue dying from the vaccines globally. The COVID was created in the lab. The vaccines were created in the lab.
Speaker 2:Both were bioweapons. And globally, they have collectively killed way more than sixty million. This was the single greatest war crime against humanity in history. It is comparable. The hate's different, right?
Speaker 2:I don't think anybody can compare the hate of Hitler and his purposeful extermination and genocide of the Jews and others. I mean, that's that's just that's in a league of its own. But in terms of death count and what was done against humanity, the overall death toll is actually worse than World War II. And it was created by evil people with, I believe, evil intent. I mean, we know that Ralph Barack was involved with the gain of function work.
Speaker 2:We know EcoHealth Alliance was involved with the gain of function work. We know that they were involved in what was going on in the Wuhan lab. We know that they were funded, this whole project was funded through a number of different organizations. We know who those organizations are. We know that The US funded these organizations and funded this project.
Speaker 2:We know USAID, which was tied in with the CIA was involved. We know what occurred here. I've got the paper trail. And if I'm lying, well, you'd think someone would come after me for saying something like that, right? But the truth is complete defense in a defamation case.
Speaker 2:Now I'm not defaming anybody and I'm not suggesting that I am. I'm just talking about true facts that we've presented in a number of cases. No one, one other thing that I think is really critical. I've put most of what I've said in in various court cases, right? Now, when I put it into a court case, if I'm lying, then I would lose my license, right?
Speaker 2:So the court would come after me. The courts never come after me for putting false information out. They've never done that, right? So consequently, the media has not called me a liar about anything I've put into court. Why is that?
Speaker 2:Well because the truth is a total defense in the defamation case, but they're not telling the truth if they call me a liar and they know it. So I would be able to sue them and they would lose immediately. Because when I put it into court, it falls under a different category of law than the actual malice category that you'd normally have. So at the end of the day, the censorship is all they've been able to do with me. And they've done that very well.
Speaker 2:Mean, they've censored the hell out me. But at the end of the day, we've shown all this stuff. No one's even been able to argue it. The closest thing we've got are are are biased fact checks from places like Snopes or USA Today, that that are, you know, bought and paid for by, the same people that we're fighting.
Seth Holehouse:Which is just it's just crazy, isn't it? And I've seen those fact checks too because you you'll see an article. Like, you know, I did a show recently on, sunscreen and and cancer. And, you know, you you go look and you search for sunscreen cancer on Google, and all you see are nonstop articles saying that there is no there's no relationship. This is a, you know, right wing conspiracy theory, whatever.
Seth Holehouse:But then you also find the article on Harvard, you know, science website about how there's I think it was 23 sunscreen brands that were pulled off the market because they contain cancer causing chemicals in them. And so how it's it's and, again, this is Orwellian. Right? This is how can you hold two ideas that you believe both to be true yet they're completely in opposition of each other that you can believe that sunscreen doesn't cause cancer, yet also believe, as for Harvard Medical, that sunscreen contains chemicals that get absorbed into your skin that are known carcinogens. It's just it's absolute insanity.
Seth Holehouse:But I wanna pivot a little bit, and I wanna talk about this post that you put out on, Twitter about the the FDA authorizing clearance for phase one of an of an s a mRNA vaccine for the flu. This is something that you've been really trying to raise the alarm about. I think, you know, this is similar to what I understand as being the replicon vaccine, but talk to him about this because this is, again, as I mentioned in the beginning, my concern is what damage has already been done. Right? Because let's just say that, you know, on day one, you know, RFK junior just shuts down the whole operation and everything.
Seth Holehouse:It's like, okay. Great. We're safe. But are we? Because to me, if I look at these, in a lot of ways, self replicating vaccines, you could you could introduce one today in in the pop public population, and it doesn't matter what you do on January 20 because you have no way of stopping something like this.
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Speaker 2:Well, so this is a huge issue. This is one of the most terrifying things occurring right now. And the fact that they're doing this now, so siRNA, mRNA is not messenger RNA, first of all. We have to understand Pfizer has admitted, I've got their documents I've posted, that their messenger RNA is not messenger RNA, it's modRNA. So modRNA, what that means is everybody's got RNA in their bodies, right?
Speaker 2:It's part of your body. RNA that is created in your body is one thing. The RNA that they're putting in your body is called modRNA. And the reason it's called mod is because it's modified in the laboratory. It's not a natural substance.
Speaker 2:Right? It's a chemical. It's a chemical that was designed and built in a laboratory. So this this mod RNA goes into your body and that's what the mRNA COVID shots are. They lied to everybody and said that m stood for messenger when it really stood for mod.
Speaker 2:That was, to my mind, fraud. But there you go, modified RNA. So this is a way of modifying RNA to create some sort of a immune response in theory or something else, right? Now here's the thing. They give you these shots, and they want you to get a booster every six months because they degrade in your body over time, right?
Speaker 2:So the real reason they want to do it is because they want to keep poisoning you and keep you dependent on big pharma, but they degrade over time. So any effect that they would have would wane over time. Now the next step in the evolution of mRNA is siRNA, okay? So siRNA stands for self amplifying, right? So self amplifying or the replicates, some of these things, and we broke that when Japan decided to authorize it over there, which is already a global health crisis, but we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 2:Self amplifying mRNA means that these modified chemicals that they're putting into your body are going to get in there and they're going to essentially reproduce. Right? They they make more of themselves. So once they get into your body, instead of, you know, dying off over time, they continue to make more of themselves. They're very similar to a virus.
Speaker 2:Right? They get into you and then they continue building whatever it is that they're building, right? So there's more of them. So let's take the COVID vaccines for example. So the COVID vaccines, they get into your body and they direct your body to create the spike protein.
Speaker 2:The idea being that then your body will develop an immune response to that spike, right? Now the spike is the pathogen for COVID, so you know, it's actually creating more harm than good in your body, but that's what they do. Now imagine if we had an SA mRNA vaccine that created that. Well now your body's gonna be creating that dangerous spike forever because they never go away. If some of the mRNA dies off or degrades over time, it doesn't matter because it's gonna make more of itself inside of your body.
Speaker 2:Now, as if that's not bad enough, there's another aspect of this that literally I think I'm the only one on the planet talking about. This stuff, this genetic material, RNA, is transmissible, right? So when you cough, when you sneeze, when you touch someone, RNA can be transmitted. It can transmit through the air, through secretions, through this, that, the other, and especially through sex. It's an STD.
Speaker 2:So if you go as if someone just gets the mRNA COVID jab and you go and have sex with them right afterwards, you're going to be exposed to a substantial amount of that mRNA because it's in their system, and it's gonna get into your system. Because when you have sex with someone, fluids fluids, they go back and forth. There's a lot of stuff that goes back and forth. That's how STDs transmit. Now mind you, these RNA particles, much like viruses, they're very tiny and they do, they transmit back and forth.
Speaker 2:So if you have sex with someone who's recently vaccinated, well you're getting yourself exposed to it, right? Now imagine with these siRNAs. Well the levels of RNA, of this modified RNA in your body always remain higher, right? So right now if were to go hook up with someone who just got the COVID tab, well you're gonna be exposed to a lot of it because there's a lot in their system right away. But a year later, well maybe not, right?
Speaker 2:Maybe not. We don't know for sure but maybe not. With the siRNA it could be ten years later. It's still in their system like it was the day they got it. Maybe even more so, we don't know.
Speaker 2:Depends on how much these self amplify, how much they replicate, what level is in your body. And we don't know any of this, right? Nobody's checking on transmissibility. There has not been a single study, to my knowledge, on the transmissibility of these things, right? You know, what they're going to do, how they're going to transmit.
Speaker 2:Nobody's properly studying shedding in the original mRNA vaccines or any other vaccines. So the idea that, I mean, they're obviously you know, there's no real data to look at with these self amplifying RNA. So this could be a transmissible, bioweapon that that basically is like a virus in the sense that it gets into your body and replicates but with no off switch. And and virus that is essentially designed to evade the immune system because remember, these mRNA jabs, these modRNA jabs were designed to evade the immune system because your immune system would otherwise take them out. That's where the reason they use the lipid nanoparticles on these other things is adjuvants.
Speaker 2:So, you know, are these are these s a mRNA jabs going to be designed to evade your natural immune system? Are they gonna be transmissible? Are they gonna be And the answer is they're almost certainly going to be transmissible. But how do you deal with informed consent? How are you even gonna know?
Speaker 2:Is it transmissible airborne or is it just through sex or, you know, blood transfusion? What what what's how does that all work? Nobody knows any of these things, but yet we're moving ahead with testing. And guess what? One person, if we infect one person with a self amplifying mRNA vaccine and that vaccine happens to be done poorly because it's a phase one clinical test and that vaccine happens to be something that does replicate and spread in a big way, well, that one person could be patient zero for the next pandemic.
Speaker 2:I mean, we don't know. It's a very dangerous thing that we're doing. We're literally creating the equivalent of an artificial virus at this point.
Seth Holehouse:Which makes me wonder, you kinda look at it as, like, a metaphor. If you imagine, you know, it's, a film or something like that where, you know, there's, like, a there's, like, a bad guys. They have their system, and they know that the good guys are coming in to take over their system. But it's, like, the last thing the guy does before he gets arrested is he puts that flash drive into the system and releases a virus, which would then just cause catastrophic, you know, damage to the system. It is the last thing they're doing before they're brought to justice.
Seth Holehouse:That it makes me wonder if this was always part of the play that eventually would be held accountable. Eventually, these actions would be stopped. So they had to create something that they could kind of that that thumb drive they stick into the computer system that then ends up just causing complete havoc even if they're no no longer in control. Because it sounds like that this has the potential to be that where, say, the entire pharmaceutical industrial complex is is razed to the ground and it's completely destroyed, but if their last act is is getting that that s aRNA in that one person, then they'll achieve their mission because before you know it, you're you're gonna have the entire world eventually, you know, patient zero expanding. Go read the stand or, you know, look at any of these movies about, you know, World War z or whatever.
Seth Holehouse:It takes that one person that then takes it, and now you've got this global pandemic that they caused even if they no longer are in power.
Speaker 2:Yep. And that's it. Right? And we don't know. I mean, we really don't know it.
Speaker 2:And for people that say, well, that's a fear mongering. No. It really is that scary. We're putting an artificial man made chemical that self replicates and spreads into a human body. Now they're already doing this with this Japanese RNA disaster.
Speaker 2:We don't know what's gonna happen there at all. We have no idea. And frankly, with siRNA being already approved in Japan, it's absolutely terrible. We have no idea. I mean, that could be it.
Speaker 2:But we know that they spent over a billion dollars on this disease X under Biden. We know that disease X is on a shelf. Is disease X actually just one of these vaccines? Is it the replicon type vaccine? I don't know.
Speaker 2:And neither does anybody else because no one will properly study it. But why in God's name are we standing aside allowing for self amplifying, vaccines to be created? There is no informed consent. The idea is a crime against humanity. The concept of a self amplifying vaccine is a crime against humanity.
Speaker 2:Because if in fact it does spread, there cannot be informed consent. And it could spread indefinitely. It spread several people down the line. Remember, if you get sick, right? If you get sick and you go to the store and you're coughing or whatever, you cough on the handle of your shopping cart, someone else touches it, they're gonna rub it, okay.
Speaker 2:So they get sick, right? And then they get someone else sick. Maybe someone in their house. There's no way to trace that back, right? There's no way to contact trace all the way back who's touched who, who's been involved with who.
Speaker 2:I mean, we can guess at it, but yeah, they tried the contact tracing with COVID. So you could see illness spread indefinitely. Now there's no tests to determine your exposure to these things, right? How do we know if you've had secondary exposure to s aRNA? How would we know that?
Speaker 2:Well, there are no tests. So, you know, suddenly you start having health issues. You're going to have no idea where it came from. You're gonna have no way of tracing this. Now if I were getting into the conspiracy theory because everything I'm saying, I can back up.
Speaker 2:Now if I were to lean into some of the conspiracy theory side, I would say, well, remember, these guys have been looking for some sort of a air quotes zoonotic spillover event to blame on global warming for some time. Right? You know, you put something like this out, it spreads around the world, people start having major health issues, and hey, this is clearly a zoonotic spillover event. Is it? I mean, see climate lockdowns in Spain right now, right?
Speaker 2:We know that that was one of thing. Seen the documents, they wanted to turn COVID into these permanent lockdowns and tie it into climate change, you know, with the zoonotic spillover, that's why they lied about it. So do we really think that they wouldn't lie about it again? Do we really think that they're done with the strategy that made them $14,000,000,000,000 and nobody's in jail? Do we really think that this is beyond the scope of people who've let tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of people die from something they created in the lab?
Speaker 2:Do we think that this is beyond them? And we're dealing with true evil, and we need to ask ourselves tough questions.
Seth Holehouse:I I certainly agree. Well, Tom, as we're as we're, you know, kind of wrapping up here, I I I wanna just ask you on on a more personal level. I because I know you're someone that has very strong faith, and and you're very mission driven with very, you know, very deep principles. And, yeah, I talked to you, and, you know, you're you're you're oftentimes full of hope, you're you're fighting, and you've got the energy to go up and fight every day. How do you do that in in with it with everything happening?
Seth Holehouse:I mean, do you have hope for the future? Do you have faith in in the destiny of of humankind? I mean and and if so, what where do you draw upon that? What's what what are you telling yourself in the mirror when you wake up each morning and face this battle that you're going up against that that allows you to keep going? Because, obviously, we've had a lot of of wins, but I also think that we should be very vigilant because I'm concerned that we can't just put our feet up and expect everything to be, you know, perfect now.
Seth Holehouse:Like, there's a still a lot of threats that we're up against. But what what keeps you going?
Speaker 2:Well, I'm gonna be real honest. It's even worse than that, right? I didn't charge for the work that I did during COVID. If I didn't get a donation on it, I didn't do it, right? So, and a lot of it was funded out of my pocket.
Speaker 2:So I spent almost all of my personal money that I had on that. Then my wife gets stage four cancer. So now we've got that. We're facing bankruptcy, we're facing death from cancer. We're facing the censorship and the attacks that we get in the media.
Speaker 2:I've got two little boys, they're trying to manage all these things. And I think we've done okay with them. We're fighting an uphill battle, all these different things. It's very hard. I'm gonna tell you, it is a very, very difficult thing, by the way.
Speaker 2:We are looking for help and support. Givesendgo.com/renslaw, givesendgo Com / renslaw. And anything that you buy on tomrens.com or donate or our substack, tomrens.substack.com. It helps me to keep fighting. Seth, I've told this story before.
Speaker 2:I promised God at the beginning of this that I would fight until I was done, or until he gave me a get out of jail free card, until he was good with me being done. He's had my back every step of the way. There's been times where I didn't know how I could pay my electric bill. Everybody thinks that I'm a wealthy lawyer. There's no money in this.
Speaker 2:There's no money at all. Nobody has money to pay me to fight for freedom. The only people that pay you are people who expect a return, and nobody gets a return on freedom. So there's no big money backing me. There's no wealthy people.
Speaker 2:The connections I've made, the things that I've done have been based on integrity, and they've been based on fighting. And they've all been based on god. The strength that I have is entirely based on God. My faith that if I do right by my promise, that someday, he's gonna say good job. I don't I don't, I worry, I worry because it's like, for example, my wife needs certain treatments for her cancer.
Speaker 2:We don't have the money for them. We just don't. There's things that I could do for her that if I had the money, it would be different. I can't do it. I worry about, you know, my kids and their future.
Speaker 2:I worry about all of these different things. But at the end of the day, I think the thing I'm most proud of in my life is that I kept that promise to God. I got two things, right? I haven't screwed up my kids, and I've kept that promise to God. I fought with integrity, and I've continued to fight on the hardest days.
Speaker 2:And I 100% believe he will have my back. I don't know how he's gonna get me out of this or get me out of that, and I never do, but he keeps me moving. And four and a half years in, he hasn't abandoned me yet. It's tough. It's tough to keep that faith some days.
Speaker 2:Like I said, we've had a really tough week on the cancer front. It's made it so that I've had to take hours away from work. The cancer's made it harder for me to file some of the major cases that I like to file because I can't be gone for weeks on end. But we've kept fighting. And at the end of the day, that I give all credit to Christ for that 100%.
Speaker 2:For me, the only reason that I've been able to keep going and the only reason that I can keep going is because I have faith that he'll have my back. And so, you know, I promised, and I'll publicly promise this again. I promise God that as long as He has this fight in front of me and He asks me to keep fighting, I'll continue doing that, and I will. And I don't care if it's from under a bridge. I don't care if it's from a cardboard box holding up my Obama phone.
Speaker 2:I don't care. And I say that jokingly, but I actually mean it. And I think you know me well enough to know I mean it. I've put my money where my mouth is. I've put my family on the line.
Speaker 2:I put everything on the line. And now we've got a chance. We got the win. We got Trump in there. We got Bobby going in.
Speaker 2:God gave us an opportunity. So now the real fight begins. We've got to make sure that these guys can be successful against some of the most powerful evil forces that the world's ever known. And if anybody thinks that they're going to step down or step aside because Donald Trump's president, I got news for you. It's now up to We the People to triple down, to fight even harder, and to make sure that the agenda, the freedom agenda can move forward with truth, with integrity, and with justice.
Speaker 2:And I'm gonna keep doing what I promised I would do until the big man calls me off the field. And he he hasn't done that yet, so I got a lot of fighting to do. So we're gonna that's it. There's no secret other than that. It's yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, yes, I work out. Yes, I try and be healthy. I try and do this. I do it. But that's not it.
Speaker 2:I mean, is this is the keeping going is is an emotional battle. It's a spiritual battle. It's a it's but I don't know if you can see my wife and boys. I've never had the opportunity to meet your kids, Seth. I don't need to.
Speaker 2:You got a four year old. My boys, your daughter, they deserve a future. That's worth dying for. And if it's worth dying for, it's worth losing everything for. So we'll do what we gotta do.
Seth Holehouse:And I think that the attitude that you have, which I think a lot of us do have is what will ultimately lead to the to the win. Because the people that we're up against don't have that belief. They don't have that. Like, they're fighting for this world. They're fighting for their possessions.
Seth Holehouse:They're fighting for, you know, what they hope can be immortality because they don't believe in in a kingdom. And that's where our strength comes from. Right? There's so many examples throughout history and throughout the Bible that it's that faith, right, that allows, you know, a giant to be brought down by a small scrawny man with a slingshot. Yep.
Seth Holehouse:Well, Tom, I'm gonna bring up your website here. So TomRens.com, and then also the Gives and Go, which is, you know, giveSendGo.com/RensLaw. But I do wanna as a way of just encouraging people to support you because people, you know, there's a lot of expenses right now. And if you can justify getting something really cool as a way of support, that's great. I I think that you've got one of the coolest shops I've seen, especially your t shirts.
Seth Holehouse:So TomWrens.com, you go to the shop. You've got obviously, you've got your Trump one shirts, but you've got some really, really fun shirts. You know, your your dark MAGA stuff. You've got, hairy balls 24. You've got some really, really fun T shirts, and and just some some great stuff that you're doing there.
Seth Holehouse:You know, CNN, Censor News Network. I love the Biden for Trump. There you go. Make pets great again. So I would encourage people to at at a minimum, if they're looking for Christmas presents or anything, go to go to TomRennes.com/shop, get a T shirt, get a ball cap, get a coffee mug, you know, whatever it is, because it's it's gonna go towards supporting you, which I think is really, really important.
Seth Holehouse:Don't go to Amazon or, you know, and and buy some, you know, cheap made in China thing that's, you know, that's gonna break. Get something meaningful that has a purpose behind it. Well, Tom, thank you again, for coming. Oh, one other thing too is I'll bring up your website again. You've got an amazing podcast that you're putting out, so you're you're, you know again, here you go.
Seth Holehouse:So I encourage folks to also listen to you, subscribe, follow what you're doing, because you are you know, fundamentally, I believe this is it's an information war, and what's online is is this the souls of the entire world. And I'd say that you are someone that is, carrying a battle axe into the information war, with that microphone in front of you and that battle axe behind you. So Literally. There we go. And that's a battle axe.
Seth Holehouse:That's not a hatchet. That's a battle axe.
Speaker 2:No. That's literally why it was given to me. It it it's actually a symbol of what we do. We we carry we go swinging in like a berserker, and we swing that axe every day for god, for glory, for country. And we pray that at the end of the day, we've fought a good fight, and we've done right for our children, for our future.
Speaker 2:And I mean, that's what it's about, man. I mean, your baby deserves a future. My babies deserve a future. And, you know, you look at your life, you know, we're I'm 47 years old, you get to the mid-40s, you look back at your life, you think, you know, at some point it's got to have some meaning, right? And the meaning, you know, you make mistakes, you become we all get a little bit broken over the years.
Speaker 2:You know, if we can do something for our future and for our kids, then it's got meaning, right? There's a there's a purpose behind it, and that's what God's asked us to do. So that's what we do.
Seth Holehouse:Well, there you go. Well, Tom, good luck with everything. I'll continue to support in the ways that I can, and, just thank you for what you're doing, and just God bless you and your family, and I wish the best, with with your wife. And yeah, just just stay strong. You're because you are you're the fight that you're fighting is also giving fuel and hope and encouragement and energy to people that are watching what you're doing and have the confidence to, in their own world, do the things and stand up.
Seth Holehouse:And so that's that's what what what, you know, make courage contagious. Right? That's what you're doing. So I thank you for that.
Speaker 2:Amen. Well, thank you, Seth. It's an honor to to call you a friend, and I really appreciate all that you do, and I just I thank everybody for their support.
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