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Flyover Film Country is a podcast about movies set in places oft-forgotten by Hollywood. Olivia Clement and Isaac Sims are your co-hosts, bringing unique perspectives from Arkansas and Oklahoma! Produced by Walter Lyle.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (00:12.236)
Welcome back to Flower Film Country, I'm Isaac Simms.
Lois Lane (00:15.374)
I'm Olivia Clement.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (00:17.282)
Liv Dogg, what are we talking about today?
Lois Lane (00:19.305)
Today we are talking about Superman. I don't know what that was. I don't know where that came from
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (00:23.566)
Hey, have a question for you.
Lois Lane (00:30.404)
Hey, ask away.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (00:33.683)
If I go crazy, yeah, well you still call me Superman.
Ha
Lois Lane (00:41.776)
I didn't could have prepared, was, that was not on my radar at all. Oh my gosh. That's so funny. Although I did think about three doors down while we were, uh oh, uh oh. It says I have unstable internet connection. Which is weird because I have three, I have two bars on my, on my computer. Am I back?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (00:50.67)
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (00:57.109)
no.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:03.854)
You know, what's crazy about internet is I think, yeah, you were, you were out, I think in the export, it'll be kind of clear. Like I drop off, but I was letting you come back in. Usually Riverside picks up the slack pretty well, but you know, the thing that's interesting about internet is ours went out. And so I called AT &T and they came and the technician was super awesome. And she said, yeah, I went back into the woods behind your house and found it.
Lois Lane (01:06.426)
how unreliable it is.
Lois Lane (01:17.028)
Mm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:32.55)
And the cable had like gotten like cinched together, kind of like this, and it should be like a straight cable. And I said, so when it physically gets pinched together, almost like tied in a knot, it just doesn't like the internet doesn't flow through it as well. The data. And she was like, yeah, basically I was like, what? This is so crazy. So yeah.
Lois Lane (01:38.82)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (01:48.88)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (01:56.876)
What? None of that. How does the internet work, actually? Truly? How does wifi work?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (02:05.675)
Nobody knows. You wanna do a quick drink check before we jump into superman?
Lois Lane (02:06.667)
Nobody knows.
Yeah, what do you got?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (02:13.047)
I got a puppy.
Lois Lane (02:14.583)
Ooh, a flavor.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (02:16.905)
Raspberry, strawberry lemon. I really like strawberry lemon and strawberry lemonade. So this is very good.
Lois Lane (02:19.487)
Okay. All right, nice. Well, I'm drinking a seltzer with gin in it. It is an orange vanilla, like, seltzer with gin. It's actually quite delicious, so. Polar.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (02:34.605)
Cool.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (02:38.828)
What brand?
polar. Okay. I will look into it.
Lois Lane (02:43.279)
I think Polar is my favorite brand of seltzer water, truly.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (02:48.32)
Over long drink?
Lois Lane (02:50.805)
No, no, no. It's not a hard seltzer. It's just regular seltzer water. I'm not- I'm not- I'm not pulling like a Long Island iced tea situation where I'm just mixing alcohols. No, no, no. Just a normal seltzer water. No, no, no. Long drink has my heart forever. So... Anyway.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (02:53.101)
Oh, it's just a seltzer. Okay.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (03:00.919)
Yeah, yeah. Gotcha, okay. No, no, no, no.
Yeah. I was about to say, that's awesome. All right. Well, yeah.
Lois Lane (03:12.141)
Okay, yeah, Isaac, tell me what are your initial, let's just get, let's just dive right in.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (03:18.359)
Hey, you know what? Let's just dive right in.
Lois Lane (03:21.091)
Let's dive right in. What were your initial thoughts of Superman?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (03:25.835)
Okay, liked it, didn't love it, love what it represents at this moment in time for movie going and for our world. Does that make sense? Okay, okay, what about you?
Lois Lane (03:30.017)
Okay.
Lois Lane (03:35.829)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. No, I think...
I think one of the more popular superheroes of recent and he's not even technically a superhero, he's technically an antihero has been Deadpool who is just really cynical and hates everything and everyone except for the people he loves. And that feels kind of how just representative of our world in a lot of ways. Does that make sense? And Superman, who I think is actually really hard to portray accurately.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (04:06.86)
Yes. Yep.
Lois Lane (04:15.191)
because he's such a boy scout and he's such a good person that it almost comes- it can come off as like condescending.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (04:23.907)
Yes.
Lois Lane (04:24.035)
However, I think this iteration of Superman is so pure and wholesome and good and just, I mean, truly just a Midwestern boy in like the best way possible. So yeah, no, I totally, totally agree with what you're saying. So.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (04:45.811)
It's it really is. mean, it's.
pretty amazing how they get you he is not one dimensional and he he really is this sort of you know Superman was supposed to be like always a always political always like a it's not American to talk down to anyone or bully someone for being different than you that is like literally the first issue of Superman so like a
Lois Lane (05:09.921)
Yes.
Lois Lane (05:20.271)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (05:21.87)
political, whatever. Super woke. Yep. We liked super woke. But B, the crazy thing about the movie is that David Cornsweat was definitely the best person to play this character because there's this degree of power that he brings to the character, you know, in a charm sense and as well as a strength.
Lois Lane (05:27.223)
Soupwok.
Lois Lane (05:38.029)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (05:51.011)
physical strength sense, but also you believe that he is kind of flawed and that like he can't solve everything. And I think the best scene in the movie, is pretty close to the beginning, between him and Lois and you realize that they're dating, she knows he's Superman, it's starting in media res in this movie, like, hey, we're just dropping you in. He's been Superman for three years. Let's go.
Lois Lane (05:52.175)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (06:17.136)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (06:20.162)
They've been dating, they do an interview, she turns him around, kinda makes him look like pretty silly, and you get the sense really early on he can't solve all the issues that he has maybe in the last three years since he's been Superman, and you get the sense that he's a little bit overwhelmed and immediately buy into like, he's capable but...
Lois Lane (06:20.217)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (06:27.792)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (06:48.238)
He he's a little bit out of his field, especially knowing like Lex is coming after him and Lex is smarter and a couple steps ahead and knows his fortress location and all that stuff. So that's a little bit of rambling. but I love all the emotional stuff that James Gunn did writing the characters where I bumped up on it was actually the action, which I didn't expect. I like didn't love a lot of the fight scenes. Um, so.
Lois Lane (06:58.478)
Yeah.
Lois Lane (07:04.228)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (07:13.316)
Okay.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (07:18.798)
Yeah, I wish that this was a little bit more of a journalistic thriller movie set in the superhero genre.
Lois Lane (07:27.719)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, no, I... I think that... he brings a... an emotional aspect to this character of Superman that we haven't seen in a long time. Not on the big screen. I have... I will... I've never actually watched the show, but there was a... What was it called? Was it called Clark and Lois? It was a CW show that was about Superman and...
Clark and Lois having a family and Superman trying to be a parent and also a superhero and one of my pastors actually watched it and he said that it's it's actually really good and it's more about parenthood than it is about anything else which I thought was really interesting and so so I think that version of Superman brings a depth that we haven't really seen in a long time but on the big screen we we haven't really gotten that
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (08:00.087)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (08:09.816)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (08:26.416)
Probably since Christopher Reeve was Superman, you know, in the, what was that, 70s, 80s?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (08:35.149)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (08:36.258)
And so, I think, yeah, shout out David. Really, really like him as Superman. And also Rachel Brosnahan as Lois. Just wonderful.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (08:51.404)
Yep, I was about to say we could like just name the cast and list them real quick and you know, did anyone not work for you?
Lois Lane (08:55.95)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (09:01.07)
No, I liked the cast as a whole. Yeah, yeah. Did you have anyone that was like, I don't know about this person.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (09:03.374)
That's a pretty good, pretty well cast movie.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (09:10.83)
I do, but I'll kind of explain a little bit more. Nicholas Holt obviously plays Lex Luthor. Auditioned to play Batman, didn't get it. Auditioned against Robert Pattinson. Auditioned to play Superman against David Cornsweat, didn't get it. Got cast as Lex Luthor. I thought he was excellent. I think he, you know, he stands, he's imposing against David Cornsweat, but also just brings this like, Lex Luthor isn't-
Lois Lane (09:14.042)
Okay.
Lois Lane (09:19.44)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (09:29.071)
Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (09:40.623)
like a stand-in for Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and kind of Donald Trump but more of those two tech magnets. He is really cool. He's pretty cool even though he's like just dripping with incel rage. But he's really good. We got Edie Gethigi who plays Mr. Terrific. thought he was awesome. I wish he wasn't just doing hacker bullcrap the whole time.
Lois Lane (09:44.794)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (09:49.164)
Yeah, for sure.
Lois Lane (10:04.952)
Yes.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (10:08.972)
I wish he was actually, he gets one fight scene that's kind of cool, but.
Lois Lane (10:12.014)
Yeah, was gonna say, what'd think about his fight scene?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (10:16.022)
Okay, that was... I... You know... Okay, I want to table that because like I want to come back to the way the movie looks and I really like the way that James Gunn's movies look like they're shot naturally and they look... they look real. And that scene on the beach, I like that it looks real but it got visually kind of jumbled for me.
Lois Lane (10:32.248)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (10:44.377)
Okay.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (10:45.538)
I think he's cool, I think he's really really cool. So Anthony Carrigan, our beloved... What's his name in Barry? His character's name in Barry. Who is just so funny. Noho Hank. my god, Barry. Gay Russian mobster.
Lois Lane (10:47.16)
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lois Lane (10:59.76)
what does this ne- Yeah, I how Hank. my gosh.
And Barry, what's so funny to me about his character and Barry is that he is just impersonating his wife. He's just doing an impression of his wife in that... Yes! Yes, no, his accent in that is just him doing his wife. Which is so, so funny. And at first I was like, there's no way his wife actually talks like that. And then they were at some, I don't know, red carpet event or whatever.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (11:18.272)
Is that what he's doing? I didn't know that!
Lois Lane (11:36.076)
And his wife, he was like saying that and he was like, here's my wife, like, you know, say something to the camera. And I mean, exactly, that's exactly what she sounds like, which is so, so funny. Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (11:46.175)
So funny. Anthony Carrot. wish his character in Superman was doing no ho Hank. He's unrecognizable under all this makeup. But a cool character, Metamorpho is the character he plays. was a Justice League character, team member. Nathan Fillion. I think I've told you and Walter about how I do love Green Lantern. He's like,
Lois Lane (11:53.52)
yeah.
Uh-huh.
Lois Lane (12:13.232)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (12:14.463)
Lowkey my favorite DC character based on a couple comics that are in high school, Blackest Night. He's pretty funny, like one of my favorite parts of the movie. Isabella Merced plays Hot Girl and she committed war crimes and she killed the president of a country. And I feel like that just gets glossed over and...
Lois Lane (12:17.188)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (12:36.693)
What?
Just gets real glossed over. Actually, I don't know. I don't know how it ends, so...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (12:44.929)
Maybe she didn't kill him, but it looks like she killed him.
Lois Lane (12:46.85)
She, I mean, she had him several feet off the ground.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (12:54.403)
Yep. So, and then...
Lois Lane (12:54.97)
So I guess I should probably explain why I haven't seen the ending of this movie.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (13:00.301)
Yes. Okay. just a couple more characters. Can I, or a couple more cast members, Maria Gabriella de Faria plays the engineer scholar. Gassando plays or just Sondo plays Jimmy Olson. He's the one I really liked. think he's so, I think he's so damn funny in, licorice pizza and book smart. And I just wish he had like his, I thought he was going to be.
Lois Lane (13:01.602)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead.
Lois Lane (13:12.208)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (13:17.712)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (13:21.89)
Yes. Yes.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (13:29.881)
just like crying laughing funny but his scenes just don't land he is playing against Eve Testmasher the the gal who is
Lois Lane (13:33.541)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (13:43.056)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (13:47.488)
Lex's, you know, you know, kind of influencer wannabe ditzy girl who is sad that she's not getting any attention from Lex and played by Sarah's Senpai and they like just don't have very good chemistry. I didn't find those scenes very funny. Like maybe one or two of those jokes I found funny, but it keeps coming up as part of like his journalistic prowess, which was funny.
Lois Lane (13:59.824)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (14:10.609)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (14:15.793)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (14:15.907)
but their interactions I don't think were very funny at all. anyway, that's the cast. Bennett also has some really funny moments. Wendell Pierce, yeah.
Lois Lane (14:23.503)
Yes. Which, I didn't know he was gonna be in it until he showed up on screen. was like, Beck Bennett is in this?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (14:30.019)
He gets, I thought the funniest line reading in the movie where he, they're about to take off in Mr. Terrific's ship and Lois is driving and it cuts to him and he screams, why don't I have a seat? And they like take off and he's screaming. That's the hardest I laughed in the movie. anyway.
Lois Lane (14:36.753)
huh.
Lois Lane (14:48.857)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Wendell, you mentioned Wendell Pierce who should have gotten more... I think Wendell Pierce should always get more screen time, personally. So. Right here, right now, that's our take. Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (14:56.961)
Amen. Amen, sister. Saying it right here.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (15:04.835)
Fiber Film Country loves Wendell.
Lois Lane (15:08.209)
Big Windle, Windle Pierce fans. Anyway, so here's why I didn't get to see the end of this movie. So I went to go see this at the Dolby Theater at AMC at Quill Springs Mall here in Oklahoma City. And there was, I know there was about 10 minutes left in the movie. And all of a sudden the screen just cuts out and the lights go up and everyone is like, what is happening? And then all of a sudden we hear a,
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (15:20.335)
Humblrack.
Lois Lane (15:39.302)
This is an emergency. Please evacuate the building. Please go to the exits nearest to you. Do not use the elevator. Take the stairs, please, instead." And it was just like, what is happening? And everyone in the whole mall is evacuated. And so we have to get out. And we're all standing around in the parking lot wondering what the heck is happening. We see a fire truck. And it wasn't until...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (15:43.446)
No.
Lois Lane (16:08.369)
I think the next day to like Saturday, maybe Sunday, one of my friends that I went with texted me and our other friend was like, so apparently there's a fire at the Dillards, which why was there a fire at Dillards? How did that happen? If it had been, you know, one of the popcorn machines or there's this like giant arcade in Quell Springs and they have a bunch of food stuff too. And so like, it been there, that would have made sense. There's a bunch of food, like,
like restaurants in the mall, so like at the food court, like that would have made sense, but Dillard's? What? Yeah, yeah. Dillard's didn't make sense to me though. So anyway, so I actually don't know how this movie ends.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (16:39.769)
Yeah, grease trap or oven or yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (16:47.321)
Are there like, do they like do their own?
dry cleaning in house for those clothes hmm interesting I need answers
Lois Lane (16:55.089)
I don't know, maybe. Maybe, I don't know.
So I might go see a movie Thursday night, who's to say. So if I go there, I will ask like, hey, what's up? But I am going there. The last thing I saw was they were in Lex Luthor's like little, I don't know, flying machine thing and office space. Yes, from the building. Yeah. And...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (17:10.223)
So what was like the last thing you saw?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (17:23.336)
Detach it detaches from the two towers, right? Yeah
Lois Lane (17:30.414)
Mr. Terrific had already like shut it down and was reversing the the rip and and Crypto had beaten the crap out of out of Lex Luthor which was which was entertaining to me which was really funny and and Superman had given that that whole great honestly really moving speech about how what makes him human is how much he cares for other people and wants to right but like just a really great
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (17:41.689)
Pretty funny.
Lois Lane (17:59.942)
great little speech and that was about when it cut out. So I did not get to see the cool like Clark or Superman and Lois kiss as they fly as he like flies her up into the air. didn't see that. I don't know. Was there an in credit scene? I don't know.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (18:06.319)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (18:20.047)
What was to say?
Lois Lane (18:20.921)
So I really, I don't know why I never looked it up.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (18:25.183)
I like that the, I won't spoil it for you, but the trend that they did with the post credit scene definitely bucks the Marvel trend of, hey, you need a, okay, well the first one, I actually don't know what the second one is. The first one is just him and Crypto on the moon watching the earth and it's just very quiet and it was really cute. Let's find out what the second.
Lois Lane (18:36.146)
You can spoil it for me. It's okay. Just tell me. There's two?
Lois Lane (18:46.257)
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that picture.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (18:55.087)
post-cred.
Lois Lane (18:55.089)
This is real podcasting, folks.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (18:58.831)
True Podcasting right here.
Lois Lane (19:00.173)
So yeah, I... Okay, you said you didn't... Wait, I'm gonna wait till you have... Do you have it? Are you searching? Do you me to... Alright, I'm gonna vamp. Okay, so Isaac said earlier that he did not love the fight scenes and I... Don't know how much I loved them, but I think that they were interesting. Like, I think the Mr. Terrific fight scene where they're playing
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (19:07.969)
you can, you can vamp.
Lois Lane (19:29.071)
What is that song called? Five Years Time? Which is, by the way, I strongly associate that with college. Wild needle drop, especially for Mr. Terrific. I associate that song, I don't know why I associate that song with our friends, Erin and Sadie and that group of friends from college. I feel like the first time I heard it, I was with them. So that might be why I associate it with them. I'm not really sure.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (19:31.745)
Mm-hmm. Knowin' the whale. Love knowin' the whale. Crazy needle drop. Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (19:52.335)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (19:58.726)
But when it came on, whenever I heard it, like playing on the radio and I was like, okay, that's fine. I was expecting it to be a big shift in the needle drop. And it was not. In fact, it became much louder and was the song that they played while Mr. Terrific was kicking everyone's butt, which was... I thought that was really interesting fight scene because it was kind of centering around Lois as she's like, this is what this like, this is like...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (20:24.462)
Right. So like,
Lois Lane (20:27.835)
to be in all of this.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (20:30.288)
That's where they're walking to the portal where Clark disappears and all of Luther Corp's guys are coming out and threatening them and Mr. Terrific kind of just very, he's cool because he can do anything and he's basically like Iron Man and he just kind of like casually puts a shield down, protects her, jumps out of it and then just starts beating the shit out
Lois Lane (20:33.584)
Yes.
Lois Lane (20:50.787)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (20:58.938)
people. It's really cool because he's like so he's so nonchalant about it.
Lois Lane (20:59.533)
Yes, yeah, yeah, it was really cool. Yeah, yeah. So did you find the answer? Yeah, you did. Yes, he's in.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (21:06.884)
So in the second, I did, yeah. The second post credits scene actually features Mr. Terrific. They're back in Metropolis, there's a building that was in the middle of the fault that basically starts. So the whole thing of the movie, we'll get into the plot in a second. Very fast, pretty incoherent. I didn't realize until watching Superman, this isn't.
actually James Gunn usually makes really linear plotted movies that are like, okay, this and then this and this, and it feels fresh and new. but, but you also like are not jumping from this place on this planet to this place on this planet. And so it felt kind of incoherent. but anyway, anyway, so like there's a, there's a rift in the movie.
Lois Lane (21:44.529)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (22:00.53)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (22:04.56)
like splitting metropolis in half based on the pocket universe that Lex Luthor creates and they close it and in this post credit scene it's Superman and Mr. Terrific and he's upset Mr. Terrific is upset and starts walking away and then
Lois Lane (22:10.716)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (22:33.178)
Superman says, darn it, I can be such a jerk sometimes. Apparently he says something that makes Mr. Terrific upset, but I don't know what, and it doesn't say. yeah. Yep, I think so. Based on the summary, have like, it's very possible this is not a good summary. So maybe I should.
Lois Lane (22:42.93)
Is that it? Okay.
Lois Lane (22:51.794)
Hahaha
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (22:54.417)
Look at another website
Lois Lane (22:57.042)
That's really funny.
That's honestly really funny that you're just like, it's very possible this is not a good summary. Anyway. Okay. Yeah. So the plot of this movie, we maybe should have started there. Sometimes we don't start where we should. We just jump right in. Like this movie drops you right in to the universe. So that's what happened with this. Yeah. So anyway, but it starts with Superman.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (23:21.646)
Yeah, and maybe a rez. Yep.
Lois Lane (23:31.004)
getting beat for the first time ever. In the three years he's been active as Superman, he's defeated. And...
He has to heal what?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (23:43.468)
I was gonna say, this is what it is. The split, the split, the rift. Mr. Terrific is putting the buildings back together, but some of them are like leaning. And Superman's like, hey, might wanna come back and check some of these. He says something basically criticizing Mr. Terrific's work, and then he gets annoyed and walks away. And then he goes...
Lois Lane (23:46.138)
Okay.
Lois Lane (23:54.641)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (24:03.239)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (24:09.134)
Gosh darn it, I can be such a jerk sometimes. Like, Clark says that to himself and that makes more sense because he's like, not actually being mean, but he just kind of like, annoyed someone and he feels bad about it, so anyway.
Lois Lane (24:17.361)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. I love his, like, real sweet way of saying things. Like, when he talks to Crypto and he's mad at Crypto, he goes, what the hey, man? Or dude, or whatever he says. What the hey? So funny. Yeah, anyway, so he gets his butt kicked for the first time and so now he's, like, having to regroup and go back to Metropolis and...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (24:28.09)
He's really sweet.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (24:35.113)
Stop stop dude. Yeah
Lois Lane (24:49.164)
Really? I don't...how do...where do you want to go from there? Lex is a hater.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (24:53.09)
I like, what did you think about the title card? We open in the North Pole and it says 300 years ago there were like the first metahumans came to earth. And then 30 years ago...
Lois Lane (24:58.514)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (25:07.13)
Meta-humans or whatever they called, yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (25:15.693)
something.
Lois Lane (25:16.114)
Meta-humans became heroes or something like that. Or some meta-humans decided to become heroes or something like that.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (25:20.826)
became heroes.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (25:25.016)
And then three years ago, the most powerful metal human, announced himself and three hours ago, Superman just lost his first fight or something, or three minutes, three minutes ago. And then Superman crash lands and then we're going.
Lois Lane (25:37.17)
It was three minutes ago. Yeah. No, they went through every single one. The only one they skipped was three months. The only one they had skipped with that was three months, which you hear later when you find out they've been dating for three, three months, which I thought was interesting how they did that.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (25:52.197)
Three months Clark Kent starts dating the most beautiful journalist in Cleveland, Ohio.
Lois Lane (25:55.859)
Someone on Twitter was like, wow, this Lois Lane is going to basically just trick all of these girls who watch this movie into becoming journalists because they think it's going to be this like, yeah, exactly.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (26:07.824)
The Skully Effect.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (26:14.469)
Yes, you know about that. I read about the skull effect the other day.
Lois Lane (26:16.536)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. and I mean, listen, it's, just takes one show or movie to, to convince you to do this one thing for the longest time. Cause I was obsessed with criminal minds in high school for the longest time. I was like, I'm gonna, this is what I'm to do with psychology is I'm gonna, I'm going to become a BAU agent and I'm going to do like catch bad guys. And then I realized I don't have the stomach for it. Literally I would throw up every time I went to a crime scene.
Yeah, so.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (26:47.632)
That's a good, like a John Mulaney. It's like, here's the pool of the victim's blood. Hmm. Gross. Mop it up.
Lois Lane (26:56.338)
Muff it up. Yup. I'd be like, okay, you don't have to tell me, just tell me how did it happen? I don't need to see it. Do not need to see it. No, thank you. So instead I hear about horrible things instead of looking at horrible things.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (27:11.418)
So the beginning of, so after that he, and that's one thing that I think is like, we saw it in the trailer. I loved the first trailer for this movie. He crash lands, he's beaten to a pulp, crypto comes to get him. It's very emotional. That first trailer, I'm not joking, made me like weep a little bit because it was like, we are getting this heartfelt sort of.
Lois Lane (27:20.562)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (27:24.399)
Yes.
Lois Lane (27:31.228)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (27:39.589)
This is the superhero movie that is going to a get us away from the Marvel cynicism of Deadpool. Like I love I like I didn't even think about that, but you're so right. Deadpool is the antithesis of Superman and in and also represents this corporate sort of just like nothing matters. Fuck you. You're seeing my.
Lois Lane (27:41.549)
yeah.
Lois Lane (27:55.922)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (28:06.738)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (28:07.824)
billion dollar gross or movie and you're gonna go home and you whatever, you know, you care more about Wolverine like why Wolverine isn't alive here then like this movie is about something which is really cool. But so like in the movie I was like, okay, I like seeing this again. Where are we going from here? And then it's like, okay, we're going to the fortress. Okay, they're the robots. And it just like, it takes a little bit of time to get going again.
Lois Lane (28:17.944)
Yes. Yeah.
Lois Lane (28:25.415)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (28:36.492)
Mm-hmm. The pacing was weird in this movie. Yes.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (28:37.8)
And I think that oddly, yes, Oddly, they, like, and James Gunn's really good at fight scenes, like really, really good at fight scenes. So I was like not expecting to bump against them as hard as I did. I wish that it had ended. Like, he's, he's beat to a pulp. Crypto's coming to get him. We know he's come, he's going to be okay. But I wish we had just like cut to.
Lois Lane (28:46.994)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (28:51.602)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (29:06.99)
the daily planet and continued with the heart of the story which is really him and Lois.
Lois Lane (29:15.25)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (29:24.878)
So.
Lois Lane (29:26.18)
Yeah, I overall I enjoyed the movie. I think that I love the heart of this movie and that you're right it is about something. It does give like a sense of hope that I feel like I haven't had leaving a superhero movie in a really long time. Like I don't know the last time I felt hopeful after leaving a superhero movie.
It was, I guarantee you, it was, I bet you anything, it was Captain Marvel. I think that was the last time I felt hope leaving a movie, which was pre-COVID. So, and part of that is my own, like I love Brie Larson. She's one my favorite actresses. I was really excited about that movie when it came out and I still stand by the fact that I, that's a good movie. Lots of people disagree, whatever. I don't care. It's my opinion. So anyway, but.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (30:04.72)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (30:23.321)
So I think that was last time I felt really like hopeful leaving a film, like a superhero movie. Whereas every Marvel movie since then, I'm like, or maybe even I say this. I mean, really, honestly, every Marvel movie has been like, And part of that is...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (30:36.89)
Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (30:43.002)
We're gonna, in like Thunderbolts is like, we're gonna embrace depression. It's like, but that's not really what I need right now. Like I'm glad you're trying, so. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing that on a daily basis.
Lois Lane (30:49.907)
I embrace depression all the time. I live it. I am doing that on daily basis because I am a depressed person and I have a depressive personality and so I don't need to embrace that anymore. And I liked, you know, Thunderbolts. I really did. Do what?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (31:08.684)
You beat yourself up. I said you can't beat yourself up.
Lois Lane (31:15.379)
I know, you can't beat yourself up, but I do it all the time. Anyway, so, and maybe I felt that way leaving The Batman when it came out, but it was a different, it wasn't the same kind of hope. You know what I mean? Like, I think I was like.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (31:27.278)
Yes, yep, yep. It was cool seeing like, yeah, it was cool seeing at the end of that movie when Batman's, I'm not like, my anger has gotten me to this point, but now I'm at a, like I am going to lead these people out of darkness and like get them on helicopters and it's extremely redemptive, but it's because it's so unexpected. Like I really do like that.
Lois Lane (31:43.143)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (31:49.561)
Yes. Yes.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (31:56.804)
the ending of that movie.
Lois Lane (31:57.468)
Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah, and and so he he symbolizes hope in a lot of ways because of that But Superman has always symbolized hope and Batman hasn't
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (32:10.27)
Hmm.
Lois Lane (32:11.067)
You know, so like even, even prior to this movie coming out, which there's a lot of political commentary in this film that we haven't even hit on yet. And I'm in some ways kind of about to go that way, but I saw a picture that was like posted months, months ago of a little boy in Gaza who had a Superman cape on. And so, so people were like saying like this Superman has always symbolized hope to those who, who didn't have anyone really fighting for them. And.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (32:39.994)
Right.
Lois Lane (32:40.497)
this movie really hits on that conflict going on in the Middle East right now. And I don't know how much you want to get into that, but I think like it was so refreshing, honestly, because I think I'm a really cynical person. Like, I don't think, I know I'm a really cynical person. And often I'm just like, what is the freaking point? But watching this movie, I was like,
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (33:00.186)
Yep.
Lois Lane (33:07.473)
This is the point, the people who are out here watching this movie with me, who are now having to leave because there's some sort of emergency, like this is the point we're all here and we all have to work together if we're gonna really make anything better in our lives. know, better for ourselves, for the next generation. it's not, we can be like, what's the point? You know, it's all going to hell in a hand basket, but like.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (33:25.52)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (33:36.016)
Might as well go watch Deadpool and Wolverine for the fourth time.
Lois Lane (33:36.019)
Can we make it less that way? Yeah, yeah, make that my entire personality. So let's pick a different superhero to make our entire personality. Let's make, I don't know, Superman? Great person to make your entire personality.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (33:49.424)
Superman. Yeah.
And that's what's really cool about this,
Yeah, I do want to talk a little bit more about like the... It is wild how political this movie is. How like, conflict in the Middle East, we're depicting it here, get ready. There's other pretty dark stuff in the movie that we can talk about, but that's what's so cool about like the scene that he has with Lois when he's saying, I'm not acting. He's trying to express, I have these abilities that...
Lois Lane (34:11.613)
Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (34:28.27)
let me kind of act outside of international security, but I'm like, I am not abusing that. And he's trying to express that and he's not doing a good job because he's like so sincere. He like doesn't have that edge to be able to express that in a way where she's like punk rock. We can talk about that as well. She's punk rock. She's like hard driving. She's not no nonsense and
Lois Lane (34:35.633)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Lois Lane (34:42.47)
Yes.
Lois Lane (34:50.671)
Yeah. Yeah.
Lois Lane (34:56.274)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (34:58.192)
she's doing her job and she's really good at her job. And you kind of get the sense too that like Clark is not a great journalist, which is cool. like, how are you getting these interviews with him? And everyone's kind of like, hmm. So, but he, ends, that whole scene kind of ends with like the relational tension of like he leaves cause he's upset and she's upset. She's like, I knew this was never going to work. And you're kind of wondering like what's going to happen with them. But he says like,
Lois Lane (35:00.339)
Yeah.
Lois Lane (35:04.851)
Right, right.
Lois Lane (35:17.619)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (35:26.18)
She's peppering with questions, peppering with questions, finding holes in his responses. And then he just goes, he just yells, people were going to die. And, and it's such a, it's such a great scene. It's like, it's such an amazing back and forth between both of them. There's such good performance, but you, you see, and you just like, you feel all of the anguish. Like I wasn't going to let it happen.
Lois Lane (35:31.731)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (35:53.691)
Yes. Right.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (35:55.829)
and I'm going to do the best I can. And it was really powerful. And you get a little bit of that throughout the rest of the movie, like, and I would rather have it at the beginning of the movie than, you know, kind of the end. But there at the end when he finally beats Lex and he comes in, I found that quote, excuse me, the poppies coming up. No free ads.
Lois Lane (36:03.571)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (36:23.251)
You
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (36:25.037)
It is a pro- it's a prebiotic or probiotic so yeah might be hitting doing a little super dump later. He says he comes in and he beats Lex and he goes I'm as human as anyone I love I get scared I wake up every morning despite not knowing what to do I put one foot in front of the other and tried to make the best choices I can.
Lois Lane (36:27.795)
okay. Prebiotic. Pre-workout.
Lois Lane (36:35.667)
Ha
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (36:51.887)
I screw up all the time, but that is being human and that's my greatest strength. And it's like, it's it's good. That's awesome. I love it. They nailed it. And he, you really believe that he is like as good a person as he is acting to be.
Lois Lane (36:56.093)
Ugh.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (37:06.469)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, which again is really refreshing because, you know, another really popular show that just takes the most cynical take on the world is The Boys, right? And we see what Superman would be like if he was the absolute worst, most evil person, right, with Homelander. And also, I don't know if you saw this, someone dressed up as Homelander and went to see the Superman movie.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (37:22.822)
Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (37:34.926)
I saw that,
Lois Lane (37:35.029)
Which is amazing. But, you know, the boys, we watched the boys. We watched it for, what, the first two, maybe three seasons? I think I only watched two seasons, started season three, and I couldn't do it anymore. Because it was just like, my god, okay, we get it. Everything is terrible. And everyone who's in charge is terrible. And there's like, it was hard to root for even like the quote unquote good guys in that show too. And...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (37:47.813)
Yeah, I could not do it.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (38:03.408)
Yeah.
Lois Lane (38:06.438)
Man, like, the world sucks right now. Like, I think that's just across the board. People can agree, like, everything kind of sucks right now. And also, that does not mean everything is hopeless. And that's what this movie is about, and that's what I really like about this movie.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (38:26.127)
Mm-hmm. Yeah the so let's let's talk a little bit more about the plot and some of the you know Like like like my gosh political things that made it into the movie So so basically I'm trying to remember exactly what happens The movie opens he fights the hammer the hammer. He gets beat he comes back he The hammer leaves
Lois Lane (38:31.517)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Lois Lane (38:36.159)
Hahaha
Lois Lane (38:47.068)
Uh-huh.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (38:52.549)
You realize that this is okay Lex is kind of conniving and scheming and he found the fortress of solitude the engineer found it They he has the scene with Lois and then
Lois Lane (38:56.244)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (39:05.428)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (39:09.451)
Lex releases a little kaiju that grows and grows and grows and then they Justice Gang shows up they name drop or they they kind of sneak in yeah this is a also a corporate team funded by Maxwell Lord and you found out later that Maxwell Lord is played by Sean Gunn which I think is good casting if he's kind of setting him up as someone who's going to pop up here and there they beat the kaiju
Lois Lane (39:13.84)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (39:22.28)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (39:31.656)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (39:35.793)
in kind of a sad way they like explode his heart or Mr. Terrific does and it's like, oh shit, like, yeah, which is, yeah, cause he was like, I thought we could get him away, you know? So that was kind of like, oh, that was sad.
Lois Lane (39:39.841)
Yeah, which Superman was upset about.
Lois Lane (39:48.07)
Yeah, take them to a zoo, like a alien zoo or something. Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (39:53.049)
right and then it's like right then
that Lex and the engineer and who's the other guy that's, and Ultraman, who you find out is a clone of Superman but he's stupid. they get into the fortress of solitude and they, in the span of like five minutes, they get all these linguists to decode the message from Superman's parents and they say, hey, you need to go down there and subjugate all of them and take them over and then,
Lois Lane (40:05.585)
Ultraman.
Yes.
Lois Lane (40:24.936)
Uh-huh.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (40:29.583)
It gets broadcast all over the world and now everyone hates Superman. And that was when I was like, what? Like, hold on, wait. It's not that I wouldn't believe that, but you just, like you can't turn on a dime like that in, that's like a really, a lot of things have to happen to get to that point.
Lois Lane (40:37.042)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lois Lane (40:52.69)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (40:53.787)
But I believe that the media, like I believe the outcome, but just like you had it happen in like a minute and 30 seconds. And it just like really, really took me out of the movie. So did you feel that way?
Lois Lane (41:00.207)
Right, yeah.
Lois Lane (41:07.476)
Yeah, I remember being like, how did they do that so f- Like, I just was like, oh, they're making this up. Lex is just saying this to make Superman look bad. And then Mr. Terrific is like, no, this is legit. Like, they didn't- I was like, yeah, I was like, how do you- you were busy fighting a giant monster! So, yeah, so that was like, that's weird. I don't know.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (41:10.331)
Like what?
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (41:15.099)
Right.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (41:22.718)
It's like, how do you know? Did you see it already? how? I was like, what? Yeah.
Lois Lane (41:34.396)
That's one of the ways that the pacing just seems really odd to me.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (41:39.74)
Yep, yep. Can I share with you what I expected this movie to be like? We got also really cool, it was like after that moment when Superman and the Justice Gang are walking away from beating the Kaiju, you saw this in the trailer where everyone's like mad at Superman and you see someone throw a coffee cup and it like bounces off David Corden Sweatshead.
Lois Lane (41:45.203)
Yes.
Yes, I would love that.
Lois Lane (42:01.108)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (42:04.82)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (42:05.873)
And it's like, okay, that was like also a cool shot. They walk into a building, Guy Gardner, like Green Lantern puts up a shield so no one can see in the building. And you knew that that scene was coming as well. I thought what this movie was going to be about. And I don't know why, but like, I just assumed that it was going to be, he's the most powerful one, but he's like young.
Lois Lane (42:08.212)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (42:15.668)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (42:33.633)
and kind of idealistic and naive and is just sort of like doing what Guy Gardner told tells them to do because you also see in the trailer that they're like kind of squaring up against each other and he says make your move big blue like what are you gonna do about it you know and I thought that it was gonna be this sort of like I'm young I'm naive but like my idealism is like a good thing and I need to like do the right thing when everyone else is just kind of
Lois Lane (42:36.02)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (42:49.298)
Yeah, yeah.
Lois Lane (42:58.036)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (43:03.801)
like going with the status quo, the status quo is not gonna like be the right thing to do. I didn't think it was gonna be like, everyone's turned against me. So anyway, would, I don't know, does that make sense?
Lois Lane (43:06.132)
Mm.
Lois Lane (43:16.564)
Yeah, no, no, no, it makes sense. Well, because I don't remember if this... Yeah. I don't remember if this happens in the... I feel like it happened in the trailer. I don't remember if it happens in the movie. But while they're in that building after that happens and everyone's like, oh my gosh, Superman's a terrible person. I feel like I remember in the trailer Superman and Guy Gardner are holding each other's shirts. Like they're...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (43:18.917)
Like how do I work against this team and like step out on my own?
Lois Lane (43:45.308)
ready to like square off, but I don't remember that happening in the movie, which it may have and I just don't remember. Okay.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (43:49.446)
I think it did, yeah. Cause he gets up against him and he's like holding his, and he goes, make your move big blue. And he's like, you know, cause everybody's like, what is your deal man? What is, you know, not one of them said.
Lois Lane (43:54.709)
Oh, that's where he says make your move blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Lois Lane (44:04.326)
Right.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (44:08.112)
Whoa, wait, did you know this? It's like when... Let's talk this out. Anyway, anyway. So that's just like an example of, you know, the... Yeah.
Lois Lane (44:14.758)
Yeah. Sure. And-
Well, I was gonna say, to your point, it kinda happens, but it's more along with the Justice Gang trying to figure out... Well, I say it's more with the Justice Gang with themselves. It's more of Lois trying to get the Justice Gang to do something and trying to get them to be like, hey, you have your orders, but also this is a big deal that the most powerful being is now just gone and we don't know where he's at. Like, this is...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (44:34.544)
Right.
That's true.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (44:46.642)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (44:48.98)
Those are also against the Geneva code, which are mentioned in the movie too. Like that's like what they were doing was against the Geneva code. Which, know, like what I think going back to the scene between Lois and Clark when they're doing the interview scene, what I think like really matters here with Superman is he is not representing legality. He is representing morality. And you know,
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (45:13.68)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (45:18.77)
That also is hard because morals are different for every person. But again, it is immoral and illegal to just lock someone away in an unknown, like disclosed location when he's like the most famous person in the entire world. And it wouldn't matter, I guess, if it was like the most unknown, like least famous person in entire world. But like in this particular instance, right?
You're just gonna hide Superman and not tell anyone where he's at? We know where all these terrible people that are in real life are currently locked up or have been locked up, right? We know where all these people who are currently in prison are at. Because that's how this works. So, anyway. But yeah, so she kind of... She...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (45:47.952)
Right.
Lois Lane (46:15.123)
tries to get them to do that. But yeah, it was less about that and more about... really just Lex being a true hater. Hating out of... just cuz. I mean, we haven't seen a hater like this in a superhero movie since freaking Eddie Brock in Spider-Man 3 where he goes into the church and is praying.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (46:27.086)
Yeah.
Lois Lane (46:43.945)
to Jesus who's like, please just get rid of Peter Parker. Yeah? So we haven't seen a hater like that in a long time.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (46:45.276)
Please kill Spider-Man. He... He, you know... What... What is he... What does Lex say in that scene of... I... I hate... Like, I'm driven by this envy. But the reason I can't stand you... I'm trying... I don't remember exactly what he says. Do you remember?
Lois Lane (47:04.198)
Yeah, he talks about...
Lois Lane (47:08.725)
What does he say? He's talking about how all these other like Galileo, all these other like really famous like inventors contributed and how he wants to like have a legacy like that and he's envious of theirs. And I don't remember if it's, it's, he is envious of the legacy that Superman already has.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (47:18.022)
contributed something.
Lois Lane (47:38.677)
I don't think that was it. I don't remember what he says, but he's truly just jealous.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (47:41.968)
Yeah, don't- don't quiet.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (47:48.719)
that he like, this is what I remember James Gunn saying. He says, Lex Luthor views Superman the way that like artists view AI. I think that's why. And when he explained it like that, I was like, that's actually a pretty good, that's a pretty good comparison. So it's like, you can't just like be like this, cause it's not in anyone's interest for anyone to be this powerful, which is like a pretty good argument, but.
Lois Lane (48:01.461)
interesting. Okay. That is, that is awesome. Yeah.
Lois Lane (48:14.709)
Sure, no one can do that. Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (48:18.62)
Nicholas Hull is just like chewing the scenery so hard that it's so entertaining. I kind of forgot like his character's motive. Like when he gives that big speech when Ultraman that it was also really funny how like Ultraman has a speaker and Lex Luthor's like communicating to him saying like A5, A2, B3, C1 as like fighting combos is like very video gamey and funny. so it's just like
Lois Lane (48:27.59)
Yeah. Yeah.
Lois Lane (48:42.885)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (48:48.09)
Everybody's a nerd. All guys are video game nerds.
Lois Lane (48:52.504)
Nicholas Holt, I think it's funny how I love Nicholas Holt and I know you've loved him for a long time too, but on a real broad spectrum or just real broadly, feel like a lot of people and mostly men are just like, oh, this Nicholas Holt guy is really good. He's really underrated. And I've seen where a lot of women have been like, no.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (48:56.613)
I love.
Lois Lane (49:18.565)
We've loved him for years. He's just now finally in in your little superhero, even though he's been in a superhero movie before, cause he was in X-Men, but he's now in a really big, really popular one. And now all of a sudden you guys are into him. You guys did that with Robert Pattinson too, because also Girls of Love are Pat since Twi- honestly, since he played Cedric Diggory in Goblet of Fire, but also since Twilight. But we also know he is a phenomenal actor.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (49:46.876)
Did you see warm bodies?
Lois Lane (49:49.616)
No, but I've heard it's like it's actually a pretty good movie. Yeah. Yeah. Hannah, friend of the pod, loves warm bodies. Like that's one of her favorite movies. so I would like to watch it someday, but anyway, yeah. Nichols Hull is so good. He is so good as this character. and it was also kind of nice to see the villain be a, a true villain, like just a true
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (49:52.006)
I've heard it's pretty good actually.
Lois Lane (50:19.337)
like truly evil person and not just like, well, he's got some points, right? Like, I feel like we've seen that with a lot of different, different like super villains we've in different movies we've seen as of late, right? Like Killmonger and Black Panther. It's like, well, he had some points actually. Like there were some points that I think were fair. Also, you know, we can make the argument that Thanos had some points. They just went about it the wrong way.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (50:31.408)
right.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (50:47.302)
Well, and Marvel, to their credit, kinda did perfect that in the sense of...
Lois Lane (50:51.701)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (50:56.054)
like this, this is a new, we're threading this needle in a kind of big budget superhero movie that a lot of people haven't or a lot of other superhero movies haven't. but it also, I feel like they try to do that. Like, okay, we gotta, we gotta make them empath. We gotta make you empathize with them at every turn. And there's something old school about like, this guy's just a hater. Like you just.
Lois Lane (51:05.759)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (51:17.333)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (51:22.63)
Yeah, he's just the worst.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (51:23.918)
You know people like this and you don't like them. And also, I was gonna read you, I sent this to you and Walter Allison Wilmore with Vulture. Her headline in her review for this movie was Superman isn't trying to be political, we just have real life supervillains now. And that's true. I said it before, I stand by it. This is Musk and Bezos.
Lois Lane (51:43.497)
Oof, yeah, that was... Chef's kiss.
Lois Lane (51:53.671)
Yeah, a thousand percent.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (51:53.691)
like they're they're just they're just doing stuff and it's like not really
It's not really making people's lives better at the end of the day, apart from baseline consumer goods that we need. I'm putting that out there. I do feel strongly about that in the sense of...
Lois Lane (52:06.907)
No, in fact it's doing the opposite.
Lois Lane (52:12.116)
Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (52:20.443)
It's impressive that this movie does that and kind of encapsulates him in that. It was very must coded when they go, I want to talk about two things. I want to talk about the more political stuff in terms of the Ukraine, Russia conflict that's kind of in the backdrop of the movie. I really appreciate that they tried to do it, but also it feels the most like, okay, we're back here. Sort of, you know.
or moving this part of the plot along. But the other thing I want to talk to you about, the part that I really, really did not like in this movie was when they go into the pocket universe. So let's talk about that first. I did not like it. It was dark. It was dark. It loses momentum, even though like thematically, I appreciate the themes. I appreciate like the them.
Lois Lane (52:53.749)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (53:02.257)
Okay, you did not like that? Okay, tell me. Tell me about it.
Lois Lane (53:19.967)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (53:20.413)
the how it's like this is happening in Arkansas. It's happening in Oklahoma. It's like happening in every state and it is wrong. you know, by and large, I would say like there are, there have been people apprehended who are a public threat, but a lot of the people that happened apprehended are not. And like they're here because this is the land of freedom.
Lois Lane (53:24.872)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (53:29.077)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (53:40.853)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (53:49.874)
And it's like, happened, like I'm seeing it all, like almost every day here where ICE is taking people. So it was like, this is heavy. This is really heavy stuff. And it's not that it wasn't like too heavy, but as in the context of the movie, it loses a lot of speed. It's like, man, Superman's in a cage. It just drug out a little bit too long before Metamorpho finally is like,
Lois Lane (53:55.071)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lois Lane (54:12.544)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (54:18.567)
I'm gonna create a son for you to regain your strength and like get everyone out. But then he falls into the river with the baby and I was like, okay, like this doesn't look good in terms of like CGI. thought it looks pretty bad. And also I'm ready for him to get out of here and get back to Lois. So that's how I felt about that. I don't know if I'm just a hater like Lex, but.
Lois Lane (54:20.566)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (54:27.414)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (54:36.896)
Sure.
sure.
Lois Lane (54:45.589)
No, I think that's another way that the movie has weird pacing. It's just really cramped, packed with all sorts of stuff that's happening. If he had just broken out of the cell...
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (54:56.861)
Just trying to do a lot.
Lois Lane (55:13.654)
and escaped that way, right? And like taking that whole scene out, I don't think it would have made it. Like, I don't know how much of a difference it would have made, you know? If they just cut that, the scene of him falling into the river that's going into the black hole. I don't know, I would love to hear from someone who can argue why that like was important or necessary. And here's, this is not us saying like,
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (55:23.441)
Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
Lois Lane (55:42.891)
we know more than James Gunn. James Gunn knows what he's doing, right? But personally, I think that made the pacing weird. do, yeah, it's definitely hitting on the ICE raids that we are seeing across our country and how it's very much like, it just seems like we are just, I say we as if we are doing this, but our country is just putting people in cages that they don't want here or don't want around or find to be a nuisance, kind of like what Lex is doing in that.
in that particular scene in the Pocket universe. so, yeah, and like, people are not even hiding that they are like being super racist about it, right? Like, we see that with, I've seen that a lot with like the one in Florida that they're calling Alligator Alcatraz, which is absurd. Like, that's just insane. I don't know what's happening there, but what are we doing? Anyway.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (56:40.861)
Yeah.
Lois Lane (56:42.666)
We can move on from this. Yeah. Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (56:43.207)
We need Superman. We need Superman now. Which is why, I mean that, you know, we only have a couple of minutes left. The conflict between the two kind of stand-ins for the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
Lois Lane (56:57.984)
I don't think it's Ukraine, Russia. I think it's Gaza and Israel.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (57:01.991)
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it, yeah, it's probably more. Well, the sure. The, I think that maybe mixing it up and he probably did this strategically. The fellow, the fellow who plays the more, I would say Russian. I think they speak Russian, in the movie. don't know if you ever saw Triangle of Sadness, Zlatko Bjorik, plays the, I loved his casting. was like, it's a guy from Triangle of Sadness. It's like.
Lois Lane (57:03.875)
I think you can make the argument for either one, but...
Lois Lane (57:23.859)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (57:30.023)
He has like four hairs that are really long. And he's like, I hate Superman and blah blah blah. But then he's the one who Hot Girl picks up when the Justice Gang gets called into the middle of the conflict and drops him. it seems like he dies. Isabel Merced, pretty good in this movie. Also not given quite as much to do. I feel like Nathan Fillion.
Lois Lane (57:47.926)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (57:52.265)
Yeah, probably.
Lois Lane (57:58.418)
No.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (57:59.55)
gets all the laughs and then Edie Gethigie gets all of like, this guy's really cool. Like this is a really dope, new superhero character. But anyway, I was just gonna say like that conflict, that kind of brings me back to just like how I feel about this movie. Like I didn't love it, but I think like the next time I watch it, I'll appreciate more a...
Lois Lane (58:01.162)
Yeah.
Lois Lane (58:06.75)
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
Lois Lane (58:26.72)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (58:28.039)
David Corn sweat and Rachel Brosnan's chemistry is just like out of this world. It's so electric. And they're just like really, really into each other and you can tell. it's like, ultimately that's like, that's what we want at the center of a movie. It's like, we want some chemistry. But also I love that it's, I love what it, that it took that swing and that it represents
Lois Lane (58:32.576)
Yes.
Lois Lane (58:46.3)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (58:57.235)
something more sincere. And even if it wasn't like the smoothest ride, James Gunn still I think is the right per- like his instinct to, feel like I could make this movie and kind of bring something sweet and sincere and human. I think that was the right instinct.
Lois Lane (59:01.716)
Yes. Yeah.
Lois Lane (59:20.564)
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. I totally agree that it didn't work on every level for me and it sounds like for you too, but all in all, it, I think what it represents and what it's wanting to go for, like the message of hope is really important. And it's just refreshing to see that. Cause I mean, that's what superheroes are supposed to be for, right? Like they are supposed to represent hope and like the,
betterment of humanity and trying to to help others and it feels like we haven't gotten that in such a way. It reminded me actually, or kind of remind me of in Spider-Man into the the Spider-verse when Miles is told, you know, anyone can wear the mask. Like that's kind of a similar hope, right? Like we can all like pitch in.
and help out and do that. it doesn't matter. the mask isn't what matter, isn't what matters or it's not the cape that matters. It's who's wearing it what we're doing with it.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:00:31.976)
Yep. Absolutely. Well said. Dang. I couldn't have wrapped it up better.
Lois Lane (01:00:34.966)
Thank you.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:00:40.596)
With the lag it's funny because I'm like, wait, yeah. But honestly, it worked pretty well. We'll make sure to take out a little bit of that. But thank you, Olivia, for joining me. This was a good episode. Superman's one of the most important movies of the year for movies in general, but also like if, like, we'll get to see Fantastic Four in about two weeks.
Lois Lane (01:00:42.282)
There's... The lag has been really funny, yeah.
Yeah.
Lois Lane (01:00:55.83)
God, this is a fun episode.
Lois Lane (01:01:03.85)
Yeah.
Lois Lane (01:01:10.197)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:01:10.44)
and I'm excited for it. The new trailer showed some more baby footage and I didn't realize that, I knew that Franklin was gonna be in it but I didn't realize that it was gonna be that much actually centered on like, we got this big threat and we gotta take care of this baby and like man, this movie might hit for me even more than Superman in some ways. So I'm excited to see it.
Lois Lane (01:01:17.234)
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Lois Lane (01:01:27.062)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (01:01:36.554)
I bet Walter doesn't see it. I bet Walter doesn't see it, because a kid might be in danger.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:01:42.409)
Yeah. And also it's a movie and you know, he doesn't watch movies. I texted, I texted him last week after we recorded our Heim episode and I said, Hey, I got a ticket for you and Walter Walker to, Walker who's been on the pod before Walker, Waltau, to see Eddington free screening at Arkansas museum of fine arts, Arkansas cinema society. And he was like, okay. And then I text him.
Lois Lane (01:01:44.207)
It's also a movie and he hates those famously.
Lois Lane (01:01:55.574)
Mm-hmm.
Lois Lane (01:01:59.584)
Yeah, shout out Walker.
Lois Lane (01:02:04.138)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:02:10.62)
a week later today and I said, hey, you're gonna come? He's like, I don't know. And then he said, I'm in. so. So he's seeing one movie at least in the next couple weeks.
Lois Lane (01:02:22.602)
Well, I'm seeing Eddington on Friday.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:02:26.632)
Word. I'm excited. Yeah, but let's wrap this up. Thank you for listening. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe. Huge thank you to Walter Lyle for producing this episode, if he produces it. Our art is by Sean Cohen. Our music is by Korden Jocks. And our next episode is gonna be Fantastic Four.
Lois Lane (01:02:28.448)
So, really excited about it. So, anyway.
Lois Lane (01:02:55.659)
Yes.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:02:58.13)
swag. We will catch you guys on the flippity flip, try to be a good person because it's rough out there. We're all... if you're not trying your best, that's a good place to start. So let's just... let's just try to do our best and be kind. Put one foot in front of the other.
Lois Lane (01:02:58.624)
Fantastic four. More four.
Lois Lane (01:03:06.486)
Mm.
Lois Lane (01:03:12.952)
Mmm. Ooh. Okay. Alright.
Lois Lane (01:03:23.882)
Mm-hmm.
Hawkgirl Committed War Crimes (01:03:25.48)
I don't have the Superman music in our bank, I wish I did, but...