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We created Juicy Bits because we wanted to continue the conversations that we start out on the trail and on the chair lift. Hosted by our CEO Jen Gurecki and Ambassador Jillian Raymond, they talk candidly about everything from dude soup, to sex, to politics, to equity in the outdoors. We occasionally (read: frequently) drop F-bombs, interview some of the most interesting people in the outdoors and beyond, and say things that many of us think but don’t feel comfortable saying out loud. If you are easily offended or looking for something that is G Rated, this is not the podcast for you. But if you love truth-telling and irreverence, get ready to laugh, cry, and maybe pee your pants a little bit.
Jillian Raymond: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome. I'm Jillian Raymond, the co-creator of Juicy Bits and a Coalition Snow Ambassador.
Jen Gurecki: And I'm Jen Gorecki, your co-host and the CEO of Coalition Snow. For those of you who
Jillian Raymond: are new, get ready to laugh, cry and maybe pee your pants. A little
Jen Gurecki: juicy bits is about taking the conversations that we start on the chairlift and at the trailhead, and [00:01:00] bringing them to you to explore alternative narratives that challenge the status quo about what it means to be a modern woman in the outdoor.
Jillian Raymond: Grab your helmet because sometimes it's a bumpy ride. Fyi. Friends, this podcast is for mature audiences, so you've been warned, let's get to work and juice the patriarchy. So, Jen, I um, I wanna start this off sharing our text exchange that, that kind of led to what our, our listeners are, are about to experience.
So it's. There's not too many other people in the world that I would love to get a text from, and I get one from you that says, you'll never believe what happened to me today. I think it'll make interesting content and conversation. Yeah, and I'm thinking, oh, do tell, which I respond. Yeah, and you send me back this memo, which we often do love the voice memos and I decide to not listen to it right away, cuz I'm thinking, I wonder, you know what?
I bet. So we're in [00:02:00] these, you know, really great riding cycles. I'm like, Jen was probably at Rose and she was like going out to um, ride the shoots that she knows for well, and a bunch of, you know, maybe. Not so experienced male riders were going after, and she literally just had a day of needing to shred the pow and there she was like shredding the patriarchy to put these dudes in their place where they're following her out somewhere, whether she isn't meant to be, or there's some, a hole like heckling her on the lift who can barely like give himself a face shot.
So this is where my head goes, , and what you then proceed to share with me on your voice memo it. Cause I, I, for a million dollars, I could not have guessed that this is where the conversation was gonna go and it's awesome.
Jen Gurecki: Nope. And for a million dollars, I never would have imagined that I was going to experience the thing that I left you the voice.
Note about which right now. So like, at this exact moment of recording, uh, I [00:03:00] think I've, I feel like, feel myself turning red again right now over it. And we're like two weeks past the original, uh, moment when this went, went down. But I, um, Okay, so ba , it's so hard. Okay. It's one of the most embarrassing things, but then also not embarrassing because obviously I'm sharing it here on juicy bits.
So if I was so embarrassed about it, I wouldn't be sharing it. I think that it's, it actually is, like, at the moment, it was quite embarrassing and then turned into probably like one of the loveliest moments that I've had, um, in, in quite some time. Um, I. We, we ha and we have a recording from literally like five minutes after what happened.
But the, the, what happened is I was having an intimate moment with a new lover and I mean, I just have to say it like he found, [00:04:00] he found a gray hair in my armpit. Well, a long silver, a long silver hair in my armpit that he thought was a cat hair, but then was like, oh no, it's attached to you. And so that's what happened to me.
That's what we're gonna, cause there's so many fucking cats around here. So that is what today's podcast is about, is what happens. And when your new lover finds along silver hair. In your armpit or any other, where else? I'm like, how do you, um, work through these like vulnerable, intimate moments in all the different ways that you could choose to respond?
Um, and, and I mean, we, we have a, we have a clip. Should we, should we play the clip
Jillian Raymond: Jillian? Uh, I mean, I think it would. I mean, it would be historic, so we would have a man's voice on juicy bits for the [00:05:00] first time ever. But I mean, why not? I think, yeah, I think people
Jen Gurecki: wanna hear it. Yeah. Okay, so here's again, remember this, this was recorded literally like five minutes after the incident, so everyone enjoy.
Uh, what are we even talking about? We're talking about you fighting the armpit here. Oh, which the, the, the silver one. The silver one. , yes. That's the one. I mean, I, I thought about not saying anything, but then like I had to Why did you have to? Because it's adorable. It's cute, and it just was. , and I thought it was cat hair,
So I, I did, I, for whatever reason, my brain said like, oh, that's just like a weird, it's like a cat hair. Like, because there's so many fucking cats around here. Yeah. And then I, [00:06:00] I like cautiously grabbed at it and I was like, oh, let me just get this. Oh, oh, that's yours. Oh, that's attached to you.
and then I decided to announce it. Mm-hmm.
And the, the color of red that you turned . I don't, I don't, I've never seen you that red before. I don't know that you'll ever reach that level of red again.
It was, it was, it was cute. And then, and then we laugh. and then you checked for yourself
and that that has, that's probably the cutest thing. I've, I've for sure seen all year that, that it's probably top 10 laptop. It's also only February 20th something. So saying all year is really, we're not even [00:07:00] 60 days into the year yet, so Okay, fine. It's a top 10 moment in my life. Thank you. That's for for sure.
Like I, I won't even try to copy the gas, but it, it, I, it was, it's like you didn't believe me that there was really a hair there. Oh, no. I believed you. And then like when I, and it said, when I said it's silvery, like it was silvery. I think that's what got you. Mm-hmm. like how silver actually. Mm-hmm. . And it's not short.
No, it's, it's, it's the, it's the general. Mm-hmm. . Okay. Anything else you want to add? You're super ador. And I'm glad I got to share that moment with you.
We're disgusting.
Jillian Raymond: He's such a good sport. Um,
Jen Gurecki: yeah, because here's the thing, it could have gone the other way. Right? Like he could have been [00:08:00] like, you are so disgusting. I don't understand why you don't wax your armpits. Also, Old lady, like there's so many things that could have happened. There. Yeah.
Jillian Raymond: And then he would've been like, don't let the, you would've been like, don't let the, you know, door hit your ass on the way out.
But I think mm-hmm. , there are things that, you know, all humans are conditioned to expect, perhaps when they're, um, you know, with a new lover or even just with a, with a longstanding lover, that the, that we're constantly. You know, battling these societal pressures of what does it mean to be beautiful? What does it mean to have hair in the quote unquote right places?
So I feel like what you're, you know, going back to kind of the embarrassment piece that you are vulnerably sharing, um, on our, our podcast right now is more a matter of like, how do we. Embrace being vulnerable in intimate moments, and not only like in just saying something that might be counter to a [00:09:00] quote unquote stereotypical standard of beauty, like a waxed armpit, but like how do you have that sense of safety and intimacy?
um, in a very vulnerable set, which is generally like in bed naked with a lover. Like that's a pretty vulnerable place to be, even if again, it's consensual and you are into each other and everything is like all happening as it should. There's still things about that that bring up, I think for all of us, whether it's in our bodies, in our minds, our, our connection with that other bodies that, I mean, it's kind of like modeling that, that brave space to be able to.
Say what you might wanna say and then laugh about it. Hold space for each other and then see each other again. Right. So let the silver it, the silver lining .
Jen Gurecki: Haha. Haha. Its the silver lining. Yeah, it was, I mean there's, there were definitely, I mean, to your point, Jillian had this person. Okay. He, he has a [00:10:00] nickname.
You know, I always give them nicknames. So we will, we will call this person Home and Garden because he knows how to tend to the shrubs. So home and garden, hg for short. Um, he, he could have easily have been, um, disgusted by this long silver hair in my armpit, and that that would have. Yeah, I don't think that that would be a person who I would keep in my life because those things don't really matter.
Like if, if, if you're dating someone who, um, has a problem with, you know, a singular gray hair, or if you have, if, if you don't, um, remove hair from your body the way that Western society tells you to do, so, like that's not really the type of lover that I wanna have. And, and certainly, People who have agreements with each other that they do look a certain way.
But for me personally, I don't wanna be held [00:11:00] to that level of scrutiny or just even that, um, that standard of sort of fitting in. The reason why I don't remove. The hair from my armpits is because I don't have to and I don't need to. And there's no, there's no reason to. And that's a personal choice. So to be, you know, to have to, to be with somebody who respects that and doesn't want me to conform to these beauty standards is, is a beautiful thing, um, to begin with.
But, so there, there is something to be said for, I probably wouldn't be having this moment with. Who would be disgusted by the long silver cat-like hair in my arm pit. That they
Jillian Raymond: very, you know, casually maybe just tried to like, remove for you, sort of like, you'd move like a little dust bunny away, but then it was mm-hmm.
attached, attached probably like tickles, like armpits are sensitive. Um, and all of, for those of you that are newer with us on juicy bits, if you haven't go back to season one in, [00:12:00] in the younger versions of ourselves, Uh, we do wa to to wax or, or not to wax. And that might just even give you a little bit more insight into our waxing or not waxing, um, philosophies.
And again, everyone should make the right decisions for their bodies and the hair on their bodies. And I do think there's something to be said for, um, Bringing some comedy to it as well, right. Kind of lightening, um, a bit of the embarrassment and the, the bright red that it seemed that you were, that you were turning and it's, oh my god.
Wild. And knowing you as long as I have it, it's amazing to think that somebody could actually embarrass you. Um,
Jen Gurecki: Well, I, I think that, so HG is, It's not hyperbole when he talks about like how red I was and the gas that I made. Like that is legit. I, I was, I surprised myself by both of them. Um, you know, I just think, uh, [00:13:00] when you meet someone new, of course, of course you want to impress them, and of course you want them to think that you're beautiful.
And of course you want all these things, right? Like no one wants to be. One moon cycle into a relationship and have, have someone, um, find something that embarrassing on, on your body. Like it's not like, Aging is something that is both beautiful and difficult At the same time, I'm very happy with where I'm at in my life and what I've learned over these 45 years on the planet.
And I don't want to go back to a younger version of myself. And yet there are things that you recognize in aging, whether it be, um, you know, the bags under my eyes, it just won't quit. Sprinkles that don't go away, or a sagging skin, or in my case, like gray hair and I have it, I have quite a bit of gray hair and I didn't [00:14:00] realize I also had it in my armpits.
Now I know that I legitimately have gray hair all over my body. Thank you hg for the heads up on that cuz I wouldn't have known. Um, but there is. There. There. It's part of that of like, oh, here's yet another thing that I get to deal with. As someone who's aging, as a woman who's aging, Well, at the same time recognizing like, bitch, you could just wax your armpits and you wouldn't have to deal with this.
So this is a hundred percent your own thing. Like if I was really so concerned about what somebody else thought about me, wouldn't you think that I would wax my armpits? I'd have a Brazilian, I would remove all the hair from my legs. Like I would do all those things, and yet I don't. And yet I show up.
This wonderful new lover, and I haven't done any of those things. Like there is hair on my legs there. Uh, [00:15:00] while I try to keep, you know, the vit relatively neat. It's not, you know, it's not where a lot of people feel comfortable. Clearly I have hair on my arm, but like all these things, right? So I could have chosen to show up in a different.
Um, but number one, I feel comfortable enough with this person that like, they just accept me for who I am. But also I accept me for who I am. I'm not trying to be anyone but who I, but who I actually am. And so that's how I would find myself in this situation in the first
Jillian Raymond: place because I do think that's easier said than done.
And I'm like, what does that, how do, like what is that about? Is that about it? Wisdom coming with age, not really caring. Um,
Jen Gurecki: Yeah. Well, I mean, I, I feel like the whole reason why I wanted to share this is number one, it is fucking hilarious. I mean, let's be honest, I'm in bed with a lover and he finds a hair in my armpit that he thinks is from a fucking cat, and then it's not, it's attached to my armpit.
Like that [00:16:00] actually is hilarious. It's a scene from like a romcom, right? Like that actually happened. And um, so that's the first reason why to share it is like, it's funny, but also for me, the point of sharing this is, um, you know, find, find the people who love you for who you are and be the person who you know you are.
Right? Which, which to your point, Jillian, that's like way easier said than done, but. With all the gray hairs on my body, and now the one long silver one in my armpit, like what they've all taught me is, um, that, that is really how you get to be in a place in your life where you're content, where you're truly happy is that you don't feel like you're, you're being someone else.
You're, you're showing up in a certain way to please people or you're pretending to be someone else. Like you just get to be who you are. And for me, [00:17:00] that that means, Not 100% prioritizing the way that I look. Um, and so that's how things slip through the cracks, right? . So, cuz of course I never really wanted to have a long, silver, gray hair found by anyone ever.
But I, you know, it happens. But that's, yeah, that's what, that's what. That's what these years on the, on this planet have taught me is, you know, surround yourself with the people who accept you for who you are. And that is what leads to fulfillment and contentment and to just really like truly beautiful relationships.
Whether it's relationships with friends like you, like you and I have pretty different lives, and yet we love and support each other tremendously. Or whether it's with a new, new lover, you know, like just. and that might lead, I would say, too, like that might lead to having less people in your life also.[00:18:00]
And it might lead to having moments in your life where you don't have, um, physically intimate or sexual moments with somebody else. Like you might just be, you know, rolling solo for a bit until you, until you find that that person or those people. Who show up for you in a, again, in that way that that allows you to just be you.
Jillian Raymond: It's like the, the silver hair as like the metaphor for that. Just, again, not just the person that you wanna be, but in the whole package. And I like how you said like spending less time and focus on that physical experience. Physical outward expression actually allows you to spend more time on the deeper parts of one's self.
And that's where I feel like some of those true connections come from. Like whether it's on the intellectual level, the ability, you know, to bring humor, the pillow talk, um, and actually that true intimacy, which does take a tremendous amount of bringing [00:19:00] one's. Full self, like it's kind of easy, right? To just, I don't know, wax everything and go have hot sex.
Like that probably happens. I don't know. I've been married for 20 years, so I don't have to wax everything, but I still get to have hot sex. So that's like one great perk of marriage. Um, but the idea of that full person, and I think to your point of the, of being with people that do contribute positive, in your life.
And if there's, if there's less of them, it's like that quality and not necessarily quantity and those people who will show up for you in real ways and that you can trust, right? That's like a, a space of being with someone that you know you can trust 'em and that, you know, coming down to intimate relationships and also our friendships as well.
Jen Gurecki: Yep. Well, and, and society bombards us with images of what we're supposed to look like. Right? Like I think that this experience that I had with hg, I think there's actually a lot of people who would respond similarly to him, who would find it cute. Who, um, would, would you know, , maybe not everyone would [00:20:00] say something, but maybe they wouldn't say something cause they didn't find it to be necessary.
But obviously he knew that he could say something and it would be like, I could, I could hear it. It wouldn't hurt me. Right? Mm-hmm. . And I think that there are a lot of people who, who are okay with, um, not living up to these standards. But then also we know that as women, there is so much pressure, particularly women.
Who are also aging to look a certain way, and it's, it's, um, there's constant reminders in this world that we don't fit in. We there, there's there from the things that come out of our mouths to the way that we look, to the way that we like physically move our way through this world. I feel like I am frequent.
I am frequently reminded that I don't do things the way that I'm supposed to do them. And so even though I was, uh, again, relatively mortified about the [00:21:00] silver hair, also, what a wonderful experience to be like, oh, but this, this, this actually works. Like you, I'm not being asked to do something differently.
I'm. I get to just be myself. Um, yeah, cuz far, far too often, just we're not, and we're not, it's putting like
Jillian Raymond: a point lot on the, the good side of flipping the narrative, right? Mm-hmm. , let it not be mm-hmm. the, the norm that you would look or be a certain way. I also think it gives a lot of optimism for the humans out there that are getting into bed with new lovers that you might have this incredibly humorous, passionate, you know, fun.
Just open person to share that with that isn't going to have those expectations. Cuz that's also part on us, right? Is as like you shed. And, and combat what society throws at us. And this also comes into what we consume, right? So to like mm-hmm. the [00:22:00] media that you consume, what you pay attention to. That's also a way that that narratives help shift if we stop, you know, whether it's, you know, purchasing of certain products or watching of certain shows or.
You know, giving, um, you know, kind of giving into that very mainstream one, rather kind of old and, and boring and lazy way of being. Um, we, we pave a way for something new and that narrative that, um, the silver hair exists in a beautiful way and not something that should be, um, a negative sign of aging.
Cuz this is something that in, in all the. And part of what brought me out west, even as a native New Yorker, being really young and traveling and meeting people who, at this point, who knows how old they were, they were probably in their forties and I probably thought they were like 80, you know? Cause I was like in my twenties , you know?
And you're like, oh my God. But like meeting people in, you know, clo tub bathtubs in hot springs in Utah that were just like getting older is amazing. And I was like, oh my [00:23:00] God. Yeah. I've never met people that would ever say that. Like everyone I'm around that gets old. They're all like, , you know, either sick or they're overworked or they're just like, still kind of like drudging through.
And granted, there's still like joy that you could observe in that. But there was just really this like one script that I was like heavily fed. And so when you're, when you're able to see those other perspectives firsthand experiencing them, and you're like, yeah, I would actually like to get older with all of that, that comes along.
Like, I didn't know there was a name for the 11 wrinkle that comes up in between. Browse. Yes. Um, and I remember like thinking it was like ink or like something weird on my face, you know? And then mm-hmm. , uh, I kinda forget who I asked. It was definitely a close girlfriend and they're like, oh, your 11 showed up.
Like you did you just turn 40? And I was like, holy shit, is that a thing? Okay. Like, I was like, I don't really care, but this is kind of fascinating. And so it's like these, all these little marks of our, our years around the sun and what they've taught us and what they give us, and you know, I will say, . [00:24:00] I mean, I'd like my body and all the things to be working for, for many years to come.
That's my only, you know, we're, I mean, we're only on this, on this earth for so long. Enjoy the time that we have, but I feel like that's the only thing of aging is our inevitable, um, mortality. But not to be pessimistic about life. Um, I just will offer that out there that I think, um, getting older is pretty fucking amazing.
And I wouldn't wanna go back to the younger version of myself either, though those, that time in Utah. Hot springs
Jen Gurecki: was pretty epic. Yeah. I mean, we had like, there's definitely like, there's, there's been some moments to remember and when , like when I look back at photos of myself from my twenties, I'm like, oh my God, look at my, like, look at the skin on my face.
Like, gorgeous, amazing. Um, but that's all just superficial. Right? And, and again, like. This is just what society tells us. And again, it's also very specific to women because we know that men are allowed to age in fundamentally different ways that we're not allowed to. [00:25:00] Like gray, gray hair is seen as sexy on men.
Um, wrinkles aren't necessarily a bad thing. Like I don't, I don't. I've also just learned about the term elevens this year, and I'm 45. Um, I guess I was 44 when I learned about it. I don't think that, um, you know, men are out there getting botoxed up to, to remove these things. And so, um, and while I think, um, Certainly doing the things that you wanna do to feel good about yourself is, is what you should do.
I dye the hair on my head, obviously not on the rest of my body, which is how HPV found the fucking hair. Um, but like I, that's something that I do and I'm not gonna, not dye my hair. I love my hair. I love the way that I look. Um, and I'm going to keep doing that. So it's not that we have to, um, you know, throw everything out and say, I'm, I'm, you know, I, I'm not going to do anything to maintain some youthfulness or [00:26:00] maintain a certain image.
But I think for me, um, like really that youthfulness comes in the perspective that I have in the world and the way that I lead my, my life, um mm-hmm. , and I think that, that, like, that's what people, that's what people. See in me, like that's the vibe that the energy that people get from, from me is that I'm, I'm not, I'm choosing to not be, um, lost or stuck in aging.
Um, I'm choosing to focus on all of the things that I've learned and how I continuous continuously, like every day, just get to be a better person who learns and, and grows from every day on this planet. Um, and so, That to me, that's the beauty in aging and, and all those other little things that happen.
Well, yeah, like they, they happen. They happen. And that gray hair is, I'm gonna tell you, is still in my armpit silver. It's, it's long and silver. It's still [00:27:00] there. Um, it's not going anywhere. I'm not like, me, like occasionally I wax my armpits completely. And so maybe if that happens, it'll disappear. Right.
But then I, I grow it back. Um, it's gonna be there and a few more
Jillian Raymond: might start to
Jen Gurecki: grow back. Oh my God. I know. Because that's the thing, like once you, like once you, you, once you take it out, it's not like it's not gonna come back. It's still there. And I've been like,
I feel like sometimes I get gray hairs and my eyebrows and I'm like, oh my God. Do you pluck 'em? Do you not? So, but like I've been like lightly plucking little gray hairs in my eyebrows and I'm like, oh fuck, kaki. So like this is gonna be a lot for our listeners, but we're already fucking talking about silver hair in my armpits.
And you also just fucking heard my pillow talk with hg, so you are ready for it. I fucking also have gray hair in my fucking pubes also, which is, When that first happened, I was like, what do you do [00:28:00] with this? What do you do? Like, well,
Jillian Raymond: according to Samantha Jones, um, on the Sex and the City episode, season six, when she found a gray hair down there, as she calls it, um, she was like, you can't pluck it because 10 more will come to its funeral.
And, um, Yeah. Yeah, I, um, the only time I had to really wax that shit up is when I'm going to see certain humans in my life that are basically my family, more so, because it's exhausting to explain to them. And I'm like, I am not here on this planet to give you, like, help you understand this, um, because it will just drain our entire visit.
So, um, yeah, that sometimes there's those, those things we do to make our lives easier. , I think this one was like, I don't necessarily always need to be right. Um, but I would like to be happy. So I'm gonna just take this one for the team, but, um, I'm, I'm only gonna be 44, I think. No. Yes. Mm-hmm. either way. So maybe my, yeah, you're gonna be 44 and I'll [00:29:00] be 46.
Yes. So, yeah, they'll be, they're on their way. They're coming, they're
Jen Gurecki: coming for, well, I mean, and I, they're, oh, they're coming. And like, I know, like, okay, I could just get Brazilians and it would be, Fuck a fucking Brazilian. I, so there was a time in my life where I actually had Brazilians and um, I would scream, I would be getting waxed.
Um, and I would scream, it was so painful. And I, and I'll say I was getting Brazilians because I had this lover in South Africa, in, in Cape Town, and he liked it. And so I was like, Ooh, this is fun. This is like, you know, a way that this turns him on. And it definitely like en enhances our intimacy. So I will get this and.
It got to the point where I was like, okay, this fucking hurts and it costs money. And for what? Like I don't, and so yeah, so I stopped. I stopped with the [00:30:00] Brazilians and I swore them off that I would never, ever get another Brazilian. And then I was like, well, I guess I just have to deal with like, I have to be okay with what's going on down there.
Mm-hmm. just like, now I have to be okay with what's going on in my armpit. And that is, But that's like a pretty cool place to get to where you're like, yep. That's just the way that it is. And at the end of the day, I still know that I'm super fucking sexy. And so you're welcome world. This is what we're doing.
This is it.
Jillian Raymond: Um, I would actually love to hear from any of our listeners of your. What, what's your silver cat hair in your armpit? Because I think that this could open up the floodgate for those moments. Maybe it was, you know, it was the end of, of, you know, it was, it was a lover that was, you know, leaving your bedroom and never coming back, or it was that great.
You know, moment of just, you know, true intimacy and, and just honesty and love. Or maybe you're kind of sitting here listening if you're still listening, [00:31:00] thank you. And you're like, I actually need , or, um, wanna have that conversation with my current lover or partner because of, you know, cuz sometimes there's things, and this again goes back to this silver hair is like this metaphor for intimacy and talk where there's things that you do wanna bring up or you do wanna say, and I think.
That's, again, also about showing up as, as your truest and best self, um, um, with those people we share our lives with. Again, we share our beds with, we share relationships with and how you do that and what it looks like. So let Jens. Yeah, cat hair be an inspiration to us all.
I hope that Lauren can work us into like a fucking snowboard graphic and it'll like literally be like in, and those who know will know and it will be epic. Like the Christie with the cat hair and there's just a lone out where could go on the next dangerously good pussy [00:32:00] graphic and the kitty has a little silver, and then the silver looks like, you know, kind of shred pow turns.
And it would be, that could be good too. Yeah,
Jen Gurecki: I'd buy that one. The silver kitty cat. Yeah, I am. I am a little bit red again right now, but, and also, before we completely end this episode, I do have to like, we do have to give a shout out to hg. For agreeing to be recorded and being on this episode and, um, I always have to go through this process with people of explaining to them like, you know, now that I'm gonna have to turn this into a thing mm-hmm.
and I can't not use, and that's, and, and like, I, like let me channel my inner Nora Efron of like, my life is my content. And so I, um, Hg thank you so much for, uh, humoring me in this and showing up for me in the way that you do. And I, uh, can't wait for you to find more, um, [00:33:00] cat hairs in my armpit and other embarrassing moments that I can't wa I'm just like, I'm here for all the embarrassing.
That are gonna happen, be between us. So, mm. Here's to that . Yeah, .
Jillian Raymond: I don't leave it there, my friend. Again, we're still listening. We thank you. We love you. We love hearing from you. Um, and please your cat hair in the armpit
Jen Gurecki: story. Until next time.