Made in America with Tim Galloway

Quality goes beyond the product, it's about the people and purpose behind it. In this episode, Joey and Drew reconnect with Tim Galloway to discuss the importance of American-made goods in preserving craftsmanship, supporting local communities, and upholding a mission of integrity. Tim dives into his personal journey of founding Goodwerks during uncertain times and reveals why he committed to U.S.-based manufacturing despite the obstacles. Tune in to discover how Tim is building more than just products—he’s creating a movement.

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Creators & Guests

Host

Drew Beech

Drew Beech is an entrepreneur and cofounder of Few Will Hunt. He spent several years in the sales and marketing industry, grossing over several million dollars in sales. But his love for the entrepreneurial journey and desire to escape the rate race started with his personal training business in college. Today, Drew leads the Few Will Hunt community alongside his cousin and cofounder, Joey in their mission to restore the dignity of hard work through the highest-quality American-made apparel.

Host

Joey Bowen

Joey Bowen is co-founder of Few Will Hunt.

What is The Few Will Hunt Show?

The official podcast of Few Will Hunt, the world’s largest community of hard workers and 100% Made in the USA apparel brand. We’re on a mission to restore the dignity of hard work and help others live The Rules of The Few to strengthen ourselves and strengthen society. No entitlement or excuses are allowed here.

Joey Bowen: 00:00

Yeah. What we what we wanted to do was we wanted to if that company was going to start and we're gonna make a run at it, we wanted to make sure that the company aligned with the impact that we wanted to have on the world. And that was we wanted more freedom, more hard work, work, more service to others, those

Drew Beech: 00:14

three things. Welcome to the Few Will Hunt Show.

Joey Bowen: 00:18

What's going on, Eagles? Welcome to the Few Will Hunt Show. I'm Joey. I'm joined here by my cousin and cofounder Drew as usual. And I would say we have a guest today, but it's not really fair to say you're a guest because you're you're here with us every day.

Joey Bowen: 00:32

Unfair. So it's not unfair, but I

Drew Beech: 00:35

don't You stopped getting the guest treatment, though. Yeah. You're just like That was

Joey Bowen: 00:39

out the window a whole lot.

Tim Galloway: 00:40

Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 00:41

I was like, after

Tim Galloway: 00:41

we guest, she had to earn everything. On

Drew Beech: 00:44

the show.

Joey Bowen: 00:44

On the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tim Galloway, owner of Good Works, no longer a guest, an actual staple at HQ.

Joey Bowen: 00:50

So, you know, maybe you should join the podcast more often. Okay. I'm sure people are sick of hearing from us anyway. I'm I'm here.

Drew Beech: 00:57

It's fine.

Tim Galloway: 00:57

My I have the I have the longest commute out of all of us. I know.

Joey Bowen: 01:01

Right? Right. Right from the back. Straight from the back HQ. We had you on a couple times.

Joey Bowen: 01:05

Right? Yep. So, we spoke about the story of Good Works and also how Good Works ended up at Few Will Hunt HQ. Yep. So Eagles, if you have not listened or watched, you can go back in our channel and highly recommend that and, listen to the story about the trust hard work flag and the role that played in bringing Tim back here.

Joey Bowen: 01:27

One episode maybe not released yet, but will be released about the few fests.

Drew Beech: 01:31

Yep.

Joey Bowen: 01:31

Yeah. One thing that we didn't touch on the first time that we had you on the show was why you chose to make in America, make things in America, make your hip packs and your bags, your small luggage in America, and also why we did too.

Tim Galloway: 01:48

Mhmm.

Joey Bowen: 01:48

There's a lot to cover in that first episode, and I don't think it got its just due. So today, we wanted to kick that around a little bit. Yeah. You know what I mean? As as 2 communities, 2 companies that have prioritized American made goods, I think it's important for the community to understand why.

Tim Galloway: 02:05

It's also and and it's also pertinent and and really, topical right now, like, with with everything that's going on. Oh, yeah. So it's a it's a very, it's a poignant it's a I can't grab the I can't

Joey Bowen: 02:19

Yeah. Get

Tim Galloway: 02:20

that word.

Joey Bowen: 02:20

I think what you're I think what you're searching for is, like, all 3 of us, and I'm sure that those listening and watching too have been, like, bombarded with memes

Tim Galloway: 02:29

Yes.

Joey Bowen: 02:29

In the past couple days that, you know, American made products don't get stuck on cargo ships

Tim Galloway: 02:36

Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 02:37

And things like that. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 02:37

For sure. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 02:39

So, yeah, it's very very topical like, like you're saying, very topical. Without getting into the, you know, the whole story of good works and where did why is it important for you to make your goods in America? You could very well take your patterns, have them made elsewhere cheaper.

Tim Galloway: 03:01

So that has been done actually Mhmm. But by not me.

Joey Bowen: 03:05

Hey. Not you. Yeah. Not me. Because, you

Tim Galloway: 03:07

know, people are lazy, and people like to do things the easy way and cheat and steal. And so that's that's been done.

Joey Bowen: 03:13

Yeah. So decon like, deconstructing your bags, taking the panels.

Tim Galloway: 03:17

The pattern has been stolen by multiple people. Somebody actually did, like, digitize the pattern. Yeah. So there's one guy that took the pattern, bought materials, and then offshored it to I'm not sure. I I think he stateside, but I mean, he's having having them made in, like, in Singapore or something.

Tim Galloway: 03:34

I'm not sure where. So, like, that's been done.

Joey Bowen: 03:37

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 03:37

And you can look at the quality of them, and you can look at the quality of mine. It's

Joey Bowen: 03:40

like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know the you know what's crazy? I was at PK Live a couple weeks ago, and, unfortunately, there were some people there that fell into the Amazon trap because there's a ton of Few Will hunt

Tim Galloway: 03:51

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 03:52

On Amazon. Yep. And, you know, obviously, we're we have a garment. It's a t shirt. You know what I mean?

Joey Bowen: 03:58

Like, the pattern is very you know, there's not as much Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That goes into the t shirt as your boogie bag per se, as far as patterns and sewing, construction, and all other stuff. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 04:09

Not to minimize it, but, you know Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 04:11

I mean, that's an arguable thing. Right? Because a lot goes into the design. Yeah. Right?

Tim Galloway: 04:13

So Oh, yeah. Like, you know, there's a lot that goes into the art for sure.

Joey Bowen: 04:17

I could tell. Obviously, I can tell because I know we never made that. But even just from a quality standpoint, the people that were wearing the knockoff Amazon counterfeit Few Will hunties

Drew Beech: 04:28

You saw people there with it?

Joey Bowen: 04:29

Oh, yeah. Yeah. The one that we saw the one that I saw the most, bunch of people saw saw them, but the one that I saw the most was our blade tee, and it was on a royal blue shirt.

Drew Beech: 04:42

Oh my god.

Joey Bowen: 04:43

And the back imprint, they moved to the front. I've tried do you know? Bunch of royal blue shirts? I 3. And 3 is enough for me.

Drew Beech: 04:50

Well, it's more than

Joey Bowen: 04:51

just with the white with the white imprint.

Drew Beech: 04:52

Just Amazon at this point.

Joey Bowen: 04:53

It's Yeah.

Drew Beech: 04:53

It's other there's other random sites that I've tried with Amazon to get it off there, but No. They

Joey Bowen: 04:59

don't. No. They don't.

Tim Galloway: 05:00

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it's it's a it's a really tough thing to to manage. Right? Like, you can't you it's you can't control it.

Joey Bowen: 05:07

Right?

Tim Galloway: 05:07

Like, you have you have no control over it. And the reality is that nothing is new.

Joey Bowen: 05:12

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 05:12

There there's there's nothing that's new anymore. Right? So, you know, you could say that, you know, someone could find a way to be, like, oh, well, what you're doing is a is a copy off of this or that

Joey Bowen: 05:23

or whatever. Right?

Tim Galloway: 05:24

There's there's always a way Yeah. Where people could find, like, there's always a pathway to find. Like, if you're looking for something, you can find it.

Joey Bowen: 05:29

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 05:30

So it's, like, if they can find a way to be, like, oh, well, they're not original or they're they didn't come up with this concept or or or whatever. Yeah. So there there's always a way to find that. But when it's when it's blatant, it's blatant.

Joey Bowen: 05:41

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It it frustrates me.

Joey Bowen: 05:44

I mean, now, especially since we're made in America, it's frustrating because they're obviously those knockoffs obviously aren't. So not only are they bastardizing the design that we put so much time into, and there's a reason why the loud parts on the back and the left chest is quieter. Like, there's a reason. There's, like, a method behind our madness. We didn't invent it, but there's a method behind the madness.

Joey Bowen: 06:05

But seeing it, It just infuriated.

Drew Beech: 06:08

Yeah. It it really hurt hurts because the first purse the first impression they're getting of a fuel hunt Yep. Piece is a cheap vinyl stamp onto a onto a gill yeah. Heat stamped on a gill a gilden shirt

Joey Bowen: 06:26

Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech: 06:27

With, an altered design. Like, that's just not

Joey Bowen: 06:30

Yeah.

Drew Beech: 06:31

What when Joey and I created Fuel Hunt and had our vision, it was never that. Right? It was the Gildan shirts weren't even in the the the discussion. It was we Yeah. We're lucky we're not

Joey Bowen: 06:44

we're

Drew Beech: 06:44

on a high end fashion like, a high end fashion brand. Like, we're high quality American made goods. But,

Joey Bowen: 06:50

it's, like, it's frustrating for me because, like, the people on Amazon, the reseller or the I can't even call them resellers. The people that are stealing and selling on there, right, like, they're just doing it to make a profit. Mhmm. They're trying to ride a wave. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 07:03

It's Or,

Joey Bowen: 07:04

like, what we did, we wanted to change people's perceptions of themselves, how they woke up, how they acted each day, how they felt supported, you know, by a community. Like and none of that is is on Amazon. So, like, you know, so I guess I've made it clear that we're not on Amazon.

Drew Beech: 07:21

Cheapening the experience and and the community as a whole, not just the brand.

Joey Bowen: 07:24

Yeah. For sure.

Tim Galloway: 07:25

You know, there there's I I deal with that to an extent too. Mhmm. Not not specifically in that manner, but, that kind of, like, cheapening the cheapening the community, making it making it less than than what the intent is, you know, and and and, you know, like, cheapening it. So it's, like, I get that. And but at the same time, it's, like, if you've if you've worn one of the fuel hunt shirts

Joey Bowen: 07:55

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 07:55

And if you've worn a Gildan shirt Yep. There is a like, you know. Yeah. Exactly. There, like, there's a there's a there's a difference.

Tim Galloway: 08:03

Right? So it's it's you truly do get what you pay for.

Joey Bowen: 08:06

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 08:07

But on top of that, it's it's you know? I I understand peep like, it's hard to live right now, man. Like, it's tough. So people are looking to save a buck. Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 08:16

So, you know, like, hey, man. Like, I can go I can go on Amazon, and I can pick up this shirt. It's $15.

Joey Bowen: 08:21

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 08:22

Or I can go on fuel hunt and grab it for 35. But the thing is about, like, the one that you get on Amazon, one that's gonna feel and fit like shit. Yep. And another thing is when when and if the scene blows out, you have nobody to email.

Joey Bowen: 08:35

Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 08:35

You have nobody to talk to.

Joey Bowen: 08:36

And I would even say this got no energy in it. Yeah. It's got no

Tim Galloway: 08:40

Well, there's no there's no energy in it. With

Drew Beech: 08:43

readily packed with energy.

Tim Galloway: 08:44

I mean, they don't come through here.

Drew Beech: 08:46

Exactly.

Tim Galloway: 08:47

They they don't they don't come through here. And it's just, like, people who have tried to, you know, mimic my stuff, who've who've, like, copied

Joey Bowen: 08:53

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 08:53

My stuff. It doesn't matter. Like Yep. They can they can have it, like, you know, sewn almost as well or Yep. Made with the same materials, but it's never gonna have, like, my hands on it.

Tim Galloway: 09:04

Yeah. That's insane. It'll never be that. So, like, it doesn't matter what they do. Like, they're they're never gonna have a few hunches.

Drew Beech: 09:09

It's, like, almost not even the profit we're we're it isn't the profit we're worried about. It's the the overall experience and, like

Joey Bowen: 09:16

That's exactly what it is.

Drew Beech: 09:17

Yeah. Like, it's you would think that we would be like, oh my god. There's so much money we're missing out on, but it's never just we're talking about with Nick. Like, it's never been about the money.

Joey Bowen: 09:24

Yeah. When when I saw the first guy saw, they're wearing the knockoff blade tee, my first thought wasn't that's profit that they took out of our mouth. My first thought was, I wonder if that guy knows how it really feels to wear a fuel hunting. Yeah. And not even, like, just from the quality standpoint, but from the community, you know, and the energy that I believe is in that material and that fiber.

Tim Galloway: 09:46

There's there's Well, there's something so I put a note in all of my packages. Like a handwrite a note. Right? And I and I know that, like, long term is that sustainable? I don't know.

Tim Galloway: 09:57

But I'm gonna continue to do it.

Joey Bowen: 09:59

Find that out later.

Tim Galloway: 09:59

Yeah. Exactly. So but that's something that I know when I receive a package, when I receive something that if there's something, like, handmade, if there's something, like, where a person has put their touch on it Mhmm. It's different than if you just get, like, you you get the package with a little smile on it. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 10:15

Like, yeah, okay. Who cares? But, like, when you open, and I've opened many packages from fuel hunt Mhmm. It's like, man, I I know where that's been. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 10:25

I I know whose hands, like, whose hands it was in. I know that I mean, obviously, I'm here.

Joey Bowen: 10:30

You know the type of people that wear it.

Tim Galloway: 10:32

Right.

Joey Bowen: 10:32

You know what I mean? Yeah.

Drew Beech: 10:33

You know? Yep. And to be honest, at scale, it's sustainable. Right, Cara?

Joey Bowen: 10:37

Yeah. She's got her headphones on.

Drew Beech: 10:39

But, I

Joey Bowen: 10:39

mean The notes. Yeah. There you go.

Drew Beech: 10:41

We did put a pause on a lot because we're a little backed up right now, but we'll we'll be back on the we are big believers in the handwritten notes.

Joey Bowen: 10:47

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 10:49

For

Joey Bowen: 10:49

sure. You said that, you know, you deal with it a bit about, the experience getting cheapened. Mhmm. I would assume that what you're talking to, to talking what you're speaking to is the fact that sometimes, your I'll call them customers, but your customers treat your boogie bags as something to consume, like a collectible, like a must have because I have the means instead of something to wear to create things, to create memories, to for use. Like, what do you maybe elaborate a little bit more on it.

Tim Galloway: 11:27

I think that my products, like, there's both of those people.

Joey Bowen: 11:32

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 11:32

The those customer some people wish to get it just because of what it is. Yeah. And then that's all they want. Mhmm. Like, this is a a thing to have, and then they get it, and then they'll go, okay.

Tim Galloway: 11:48

I have it. Mhmm. And then it'll sit on a shelf, or it'll be turned over for a profit Yeah. Or any number of things. And then there's the other part of my community, which I really aim to serve.

Joey Bowen: 12:00

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 12:00

The people who are, like, hey. Like, I want this because I wanna use it. Like, I wanna I wanna go beat this up. Like, I wanna test this. I wanna, like, I wanna build memories with it.

Tim Galloway: 12:10

I wanna have experience with it. And those are the people that I'm aiming for.

Joey Bowen: 12:14

Yeah. And and to a certain degree, which is, like, really cool is they wanna rely on it. Mhmm. During those and it's the same thing, you know, with our fight wear. And even our even our apparel, same thing, but just especially our fight wear, they wanna rely on it.

Joey Bowen: 12:26

Yeah. They wanna go do something that is out of character for them, that challenges them or whatever, and Sam's here, fittingly. They wanna do something that challenges them. You know what I mean? Mhmm.

Joey Bowen: 12:39

And they wanna be able to rely upon it.

Drew Beech: 12:41

Can we be quick?

Joey Bowen: 12:42

Explain to

Drew Beech: 12:43

the community where Sam is?

Joey Bowen: 12:45

You know, I don't

Drew Beech: 12:45

but all I have to say Yeah. He was up there.

Joey Bowen: 12:47

Yeah. He ran across the lights. Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 12:51

So Sam has a Sam has a friend now.

Joey Bowen: 12:53

Sam has a mate.

Tim Galloway: 12:54

I have I have a name Oh my god. Sam.

Joey Bowen: 12:56

It's great. Yeah. It's a couple of seasons coming through.

Drew Beech: 12:58

To think I can mean to who Sam is.

Tim Galloway: 13:00

Yeah. So Sam is my, is my work is my, coworker that shows up most often. Yeah. He's my, mascot, the shop mascot. He, has found a way.

Tim Galloway: 13:09

Even though we had it boarded up, he has found a way back into the building. So back

Joey Bowen: 13:13

into the building.

Tim Galloway: 13:14

I'll hear him, I'll hear him kinda

Joey Bowen: 13:16

Speaking speaking of, made in America Yes. We're in a we're in a building from the late 1800 to early 1900, and it's in phenomenal shapes. It's got so much character. It's beautiful. But you know what?

Joey Bowen: 13:27

Look. There's ways in.

Tim Galloway: 13:28

And that's what you know, I meant that's okay with me. I I don't mind saying.

Joey Bowen: 13:31

Ways in. Hey. Look. Wildlife.

Tim Galloway: 13:32

Yeah. I'm not I'm not feeling, I'm not finding any, detritus on my, on my gear. So, like, I'm

Joey Bowen: 13:38

I'm good to go.

Tim Galloway: 13:40

Yeah. So, like, it it it's it's very fitting of the, it's part of the ambiance.

Joey Bowen: 13:44

It's part

Tim Galloway: 13:44

of the experience.

Joey Bowen: 13:45

We should we should put Ernest back there up on that beam.

Tim Galloway: 13:48

Maybe Ernest would keep him

Joey Bowen: 13:49

with his carrier profile. Owl. Yeah. Oh,

Drew Beech: 13:51

yeah. They would do this.

Joey Bowen: 13:51

Or whatever. I wonder if that would work.

Tim Galloway: 13:53

Or I can get an owl.

Drew Beech: 13:54

Well, that would be implying that we don't want him.

Joey Bowen: 13:57

Well, it's not that we don't want them.

Tim Galloway: 13:59

It's not that we don't want them. It's that we don't want them. He he they make a mess back there.

Joey Bowen: 14:03

One thing one thing that I've learned about Sam is he is a tough m f'er.

Tim Galloway: 14:07

Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 14:07

So even if he Oh, he's

Drew Beech: 14:08

a Philly squirrel, dude.

Joey Bowen: 14:09

He's a Philly squirrel. So even if he, has to abandon this abode

Tim Galloway: 14:13

Oh, he's

Drew Beech: 14:13

just a fool.

Joey Bowen: 14:14

He'll be alright. He'll be alright.

Drew Beech: 14:16

From the first story, Tim told me about he was ever so elegantly perched. He clearly see it. He seems very comfortable at this point.

Tim Galloway: 14:23

Oh, he's chill. Comforting.

Joey Bowen: 14:23

Yeah. He's just focused.

Drew Beech: 14:24

He's I

Tim Galloway: 14:25

saw him lay out in one of the one of the beams. Like, I just, like, watch him walk on one of the beams, and he just, like, laid out, like, completely flat on the beam and just, like, took a nap. Yeah. He just, like, slept for a little bit, and then he just, like, woke up and just, like, took out.

Joey Bowen: 14:35

Like, he Well, now he's got a lady friend too. So, you know, now he's really kicking in and out in a hyperdrive to impress

Drew Beech: 14:40

her. Action. The the good works HQ. Listen.

Joey Bowen: 14:43

I don't know. I maybe. It could be. It could be. It's like the end of the dove back there.

Joey Bowen: 14:47

Yeah. It's like the end of the dove. So, so, Sam Sam, welcome to the show.

Drew Beech: 14:53

Welcome to the show.

Joey Bowen: 14:55

So what made you decide let's get let's get into that. What made you, Tim, decide to make your bags in the US and not take an alternate route? Was it a

Tim Galloway: 15:09

I don't I I don't think that it was a decision, quote unquote. Yeah. You know, when I started Good Works, this was a it was a response to, you know, what can I do now instead of just sitting and applying for a stimulus check or going and getting I I took no stimulus checks? I took I took one SBA check. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 15:29

But I took no stimulus checks. I took no wage loss. I I didn't do any of that. Yep. So I decided

Joey Bowen: 15:37

Just as a reminder, started in 2020. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 15:39

This is yeah. This is in 2020. Yep. So instead of doing that, I just decided I'm gonna I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna create something.

Tim Galloway: 15:45

I'm gonna make something.

Joey Bowen: 15:47

And That's a very American decision.

Tim Galloway: 15:50

I I would I would our our interpretation and and and and version and, depiction of an American decision, yes.

Drew Beech: 16:01

Yeah. The They're sure.

Tim Galloway: 16:02

Right? Yeah. And I had reached out and spoken to somebody that runs a pretty large business, like, an international company. And I said, hey, you know, like, I'm starting my company out, and we had been talking. And I was like, what would you rec like, what would you suggest, like, for scaling?

Tim Galloway: 16:22

And he he said, you know, just send it overseas.

Joey Bowen: 16:24

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 16:25

You know? Get a get a business loan, send it overseas, you know, pony up a bunch of money, have them make a bunch of product, and then and I was like, no. Yeah. Like, that's not gonna happen.

Joey Bowen: 16:35

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 16:35

And, you know, I've seen companies that started here and then decided that, hey. Like, I'm more interested in the profit. I'm more interested in making the money. I'm more interested in in the financial turnover, and then they offshored. And I saw what that did to the community that was involved with it because I was part of that community.

Tim Galloway: 16:52

Mhmm. And then that was a you know, that felt like betrayal.

Joey Bowen: 16:56

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 16:57

You know, for a company to go, you know, oh, you know, we're we're made in America, and we're, you know, building better Americans, and, you know, this is this is, you know, who we are, and then all of a sudden it's like, hey, we're gonna send some of our stuff off to be made in Vietnam. Yeah. Like, no. Like, that that felt like a like, you know, it's like a punch in the gut. Like, what do you you know, that's saying, like, all this stuff that you're espousing, all these things that you're talking about, like, you made The

Joey Bowen: 17:23

goal is not the goal then. You you

Tim Galloway: 17:24

made liars out of yourselves.

Joey Bowen: 17:25

Mhmm. So

Drew Beech: 17:26

So this company that did that, I I I'm not even familiar with who you're talking about, but they started preaching that their company preaching that they were American made, like, American made values and then yeah. Okay.

Tim Galloway: 17:38

Yep. Yeah. It was it was all, like, pro America, and and it was. Yeah. But then I think there is change in leadership or change in in the in the higher up, and they decided that, like, I don't know if it was investors or what, but then they offshored.

Tim Galloway: 17:54

Yeah. And that was a huge detriment to the community, and it felt it felt like like a betrayal of sorts. You know?

Joey Bowen: 18:00

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 18:01

And, look, I mean, do I wanna scale my business and have massive output and massive sale? Yeah. Totally. But the thing is though is there are people here who are skilled. There are people here who need work.

Tim Galloway: 18:16

There are people here who, you know, want to do, want to work. Mhmm. And I'm not gonna take something that I've built literally with my own two hands to give it away to somebody that's not here. Yeah. You know, we're you know, we we've spoken about serving.

Tim Galloway: 18:34

Right? And for us, serving is also supporting the communities in the country that we're in. Yep. And we don't serve those people by by pushing those jobs away, by pushing that work away.

Joey Bowen: 18:47

Yourself if you when you do that. You know what I mean? Serve yourself.

Tim Galloway: 18:51

Yeah. I mean, I I I don't even think it would be a service to self at that point. I think that it would be a I think that would be under the guise of serving yourself.

Joey Bowen: 19:03

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 19:03

But, truly, would you be serving yourself by doing that? I don't think so.

Joey Bowen: 19:06

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 19:07

I think you'd be I I think you would have to really give away a large part of who you are to to do that. Like

Joey Bowen: 19:15

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 19:15

You know, if if I felt compelled to do that, I would sell my machines and I would find a job doing something else because Yeah. Like, that that feels really, like, really icky.

Joey Bowen: 19:27

Yeah. I mean, we started, you know, with the community knows our story. Actually, I can't say that because when I was at BK live and I spoke and I told our origin story

Drew Beech: 19:36

Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 19:36

I had a lot of community members that have been in the community for a couple years come up to me and they're like, we had no idea. Yeah. Like, we had no idea. We only know A

Drew Beech: 19:44

lot of people don't even know who we are. I tell people, well, I hope you want them.

Joey Bowen: 19:47

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

Joey Bowen: 19:49

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 19:49

So what's the what's

Joey Bowen: 19:51

the the

Tim Galloway: 19:51

short of it?

Joey Bowen: 19:52

So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, we we are American made now, but we didn't we weren't in the beginning. And that was something that look.

Joey Bowen: 20:01

We didn't set out to build an apparel company and a flight wear company. We set out to build a community. So when the clothing came on the scene, we made the decision we could at the time with the funds we had.

Drew Beech: 20:12

Yeah. We love the we love the idea of being American made, but it was at no point at no way was it achievable.

Joey Bowen: 20:18

We and Drew will tell you, like, I was barking up that tree, like, for years.

Drew Beech: 20:23

Yeah. Like, I was like, dude. I was like, I'm I'm with you, but, like, it's in due time. Like, when we can, when we can, when we can, when we can. Like

Joey Bowen: 20:29

Yeah.

Drew Beech: 20:29

Yeah. But, yeah, it just came to the point where it was we we were to be honest, when we made the decision to switch, it still wasn't the right time. You should have waited. And, we did it anyway, and good things have went better at some point. Yes.

Drew Beech: 20:45

But, we did it, and it worked out.

Tim Galloway: 20:47

The the Yeah. The thing is that a lot of people don't really realize is, you know, we as much as we wanna have have things made here, as much as we wanna build things here, we don't have the manufacturing infrastructure for it here. And and that's a big part of it. Right?

Joey Bowen: 21:05

Because it left.

Tim Galloway: 21:05

It would be because it left, because people quit, because it because it was it was lost, like, there there's so many there you know, there's a bunch of reasons. Right? Yep. So, you know, what Drew's saying, like, you know, like, you know, there wasn't wasn't a good time. It's, like, there's never gonna be a good time to do it because the the the supply and and the materials Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 21:25

Are so, like, they're not readily available here. Yeah. You know, there's, you know, I I try to source things stateside as much as I can.

Drew Beech: 21:33

Mhmm. Same.

Tim Galloway: 21:34

But there's things that I just can't because I there's either a, no there's no product like it that's made here, or, b, the comparable product is so expensive that it makes it doesn't make any sense to to use that. You know?

Joey Bowen: 21:50

When you say sense, it's it's basically not affordable.

Tim Galloway: 21:52

Yeah. It's it's it's it's it's ineffectual and it eats into margins too much and, like, there's no way like, on the business end, like, does my heart say, like, hey. I wanna go with this? Yeah. Absolutely.

Tim Galloway: 22:03

But I wouldn't be able to survive if if, you know, I went that route. Right?

Drew Beech: 22:07

And not to toot your own horns, but it's a testament to the amount of crazy we are. Just like, it's great. You're crazy to start a business. You're crazy to do so. Like, do you just say you're like, we're crazy.

Drew Beech: 22:19

That's just what entrepreneurs are. But to that also move your manufacturing to the United States is actually crazy because you're not only making your life harder as far as sourcing goes and manufacturing goes, make margins hard, making things tighter. It's everything. It makes everything hard. Nothing is better when you go American.

Drew Beech: 22:38

It's just you're doing it

Joey Bowen: 22:40

for From, like, an operational standpoint. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 22:43

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I I was love

Drew Beech: 22:44

of country and for love of of your fellow man and and doing the right thing. Yes. Like Yeah. For it to be a a good American, it is the right thing to do. But from a a business, if I was gonna Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 22:56

Not pressure.

Drew Beech: 22:57

If someone came to me and said, Drew, how do I make the most money in the business or or the best operation, I would not suggest what I can make.

Tim Galloway: 23:03

And buy Timo shirts and have Yeah. Go buy go buy Heat Press and

Joey Bowen: 23:07

Well, when we when we had the do that. When we had the the moment in 2019, like, do we have a blog or do we have a business, when we asked ourselves that question and we said, okay. Look. Like, this is no longer going to just be a community. We're gonna give the community what what they want, and it's also gonna become a business, a company.

Joey Bowen: 23:26

Right? Mhmm. We sat down and said, look. Like, we need to do what we gotta do right now, which is continue to manufacture. And most of our stuff was stateside.

Joey Bowen: 23:38

We were

Drew Beech: 23:39

It was

Joey Bowen: 23:39

in the Middle East doing some things, but we were not really in China much or anything like that.

Drew Beech: 23:45

Everything was printed the same time. We never went the Alibaba route where which a lot of our competitors do. They just literally find manufacturers at Alibaba.

Joey Bowen: 23:52

They make Everything comes in ready to sell or whatever?

Drew Beech: 23:55

Yeah. They they come like, we got people here bagging, tagging, folding. Like Yeah. They get their stuff off of volleyball. It comes in fully Yeah.

Drew Beech: 24:04

Right. Bagged, ready to go. And it it

Tim Galloway: 24:05

cost them

Drew Beech: 24:06

it cost them $5, and it cost us quadruple.

Joey Bowen: 24:09

Yeah. What we what we wanted to do was we wanted to if that company was going to start and we're gonna make a run at it, we wanted to make sure that the company aligned with the impact that we wanted to have on the world. And that was we wanted more freedom, more hard work, more service to others, those three things. Yep. So even to this day, you know, after our cut over to made in America Yep.

Joey Bowen: 24:30

We make sure that we're not just building products in the US, but we're building people in the US by by with jobs. Mhmm. We're building families in the US because of said jobs, and, ultimately, we're building the country. Like, that's the chain that I see when it's, like, building product in America. That's what that means.

Joey Bowen: 24:49

Yeah. You know? Yeah. And that's that's why we do it. Yep.

Joey Bowen: 24:54

You know? And it's not easy. No. It's difficult. Super difficult.

Joey Bowen: 24:58

It was easy. Everybody would do it. Yeah. You know?

Drew Beech: 25:01

That's why there's a reason that no other basically, no other apparel brands like ours are made in the USA. Mhmm. Yeah. There are people in the apparel space doing it. Obviously, the the ones we know, but not, I wouldn't say none of that we have, we believe we have through our competition because no one has a community or the experience or the, the vision behind our mission that we do.

Drew Beech: 25:28

But, no one in the the apparel space, brand of the power space is doing it.

Joey Bowen: 25:36

I take I mean, I take pride in the fact that, like, the businesses that we work with to finish our products or even contract manufacture our products, they're family owned businesses. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Some that have been here for a long time, some that are brand new just like us.

Joey Bowen: 25:51

7 years, we're still brand new.

Drew Beech: 25:52

You know

Joey Bowen: 25:53

what I mean? I take pride in that because, like I said, it's building people.

Drew Beech: 25:57

Been the fans and their families have been like, Josh Josh and his family have been in our warehouse,

Joey Bowen: 26:02

like, literally. Yes. Yes. Exactly.

Tim Galloway: 26:05

You know, some of my some of my suppliers, one of the one of the companies that I go through is, like, their stuff is made overseas. Mhmm. But the company, like, the looms and everything are overseas, but the company is based here,

Joey Bowen: 26:19

and

Tim Galloway: 26:19

it's a family company.

Joey Bowen: 26:20

Yep. You know?

Tim Galloway: 26:20

So it's, like, it's nice being able to you send that email, and it's, like, I've spoken with you before. Yes. It's it's that familiarity. Like, another supplier that I have, they they bring in, I get my all, like, all my zipper slides from them.

Joey Bowen: 26:32

Yep.

Tim Galloway: 26:32

It's always the same people.

Joey Bowen: 26:33

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 26:34

You know? And and it's like, could I go to the supply, like, the actual manufacturer? Maybe. Yeah. Do I have the volume for that yet?

Tim Galloway: 26:40

No. But it's like, I'm helping there there's a ripple.

Joey Bowen: 26:43

Yes.

Tim Galloway: 26:43

Right? So it's like, I'm able to take my business and and give other businesses business. Yes. And that helps that helps populate that. That helps

Joey Bowen: 26:52

put food on table. Families. It builds communities. Yep. You know?

Tim Galloway: 26:55

All of it.

Drew Beech: 26:56

You mentioned it's how it's tough to live right now in the economy. Like, who knows? Maybe if we source more things in America and provide more manufacturing in America and do more jobs in America, the economy might not be in the situation that it's currently in.

Joey Bowen: 27:14

Yeah. I think that we we've we've lost we've forgotten how to fill our cups first and not in a selfish way, but your cup has to be full first before you can help others.

Drew Beech: 27:27

Mhmm.

Joey Bowen: 27:28

And, we're doing a lot of helping to the detriment of our own people. And it's Mhmm. I, you know, it's probably not a popular thought nowadays or maybe it is, America first. But I feel like, you know, we have to take care of our own people, and I believe in my heart that Americans have great hearts, some of the best hearts of anybody in the world. And if we were taken care of care of, you know what I mean by that, if we looked out for manufacturing here first and creating jobs here first and and aiding people here first, that we would give back.

Joey Bowen: 28:03

I know the type of people we are, but instead, it's the reverse. So

Tim Galloway: 28:09

Yeah. It's be it's become too easy it's become too easy to get by. It's become too easy to have the the necessities that you need to to live. Right? And I think that people have I I you can't even say, like, they've become accustomed to resting on their own laurels because in order to rest on your laurels, you have to have achieved something.

Tim Galloway: 28:34

Mhmm. And I think that there's a really big belief that, hey, man, like, if I can get this assistance, if I can get this help, I'm just gonna take that and that's all I gotta do.

Joey Bowen: 28:44

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 28:44

Like, you know, that's and I mean, in my mind, like, that's a that's a different kind of hell.

Joey Bowen: 28:50

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 28:50

Yeah. You know? And there's this, man, I love the Cure of the Dawn. I I love, like, his because he he he remixes, like, a lot of people that, like, I really enjoy listening to, like, Jeremy Peterson and Alan Watts and Jocko and whatever. And there's one, it's called hard work.

Joey Bowen: 29:07

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 29:08

And it talks about how, you know, how America was built. Right. And, like, I I don't I'm not gonna get into the whole, like Yeah. Yeah. People gonna, like, wanna pick apart, like, all, like, the political stuff and the icky stuff, and, like, there's no doubt that a lot of, like, nasty shit happened.

Tim Galloway: 29:23

Yeah. However, the the the spirit of, like, the frontiersman and, like, it wasn't just, like, worked for. Yeah. Like, there is you know, he the song, like I forgot the name of the the the person that sampled in it, but it talks about, like, how sweat Yeah. Was the the true fertilizer of America.

Tim Galloway: 29:45

Yeah. And, you know, it's not just like, hey. We drove west in a Conestoga wagon.

Joey Bowen: 29:50

It's comfortable.

Tim Galloway: 29:51

And yeah. Like, it's not it's not just like, you know, we went west and all of a sudden it was there. It's like, no. Like, you know, these towns were, like, built from Yeah. Nothing.

Tim Galloway: 30:00

Yeah. You know? So it was, like, picked and hoed, and, like, they were farmed, and they had to defend themselves from people. And Yeah. It's like there's these things that to have a basic life had to be earned.

Tim Galloway: 30:12

Yeah. In in in a big way, and it's not just it's not just I'm going to work and getting money to give to somebody. Mhmm. It's I have to be able to build my shelter. I have to be able to source my food.

Tim Galloway: 30:22

I have to be able to defend and protect myself and my family. Yep. And these things now are taken for granted, and they're so easily done that I think that a lot of that spirit has been lost, and that that grit and that determination and that drive Mhmm. Was has been lost Yeah. For a lot of people.

Tim Galloway: 30:42

And I think that the manufacturing not being here is is is part of that.

Joey Bowen: 30:46

Oh, of course.

Tim Galloway: 30:47

And, like, you know, I'm from Detroit. Yeah. Like, I'm from the Motor City, man.

Drew Beech: 30:50

Like Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 30:51

You know, like, this is you know, Detroit was

Joey Bowen: 30:53

If there's ever an example. That's an example. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 30:56

And it like, you know, it was, you know, built up by the auto industry and, like, people lived really good lives and, like, they got to go to work. Mhmm.

Joey Bowen: 31:03

You

Tim Galloway: 31:04

know, and they build lives for themselves, and then it just started, you know, going away.

Joey Bowen: 31:09

That that grit, that determination, that that need to make things with your hands here on this soil, like, that's in our DNA. That's who we are. Not only that, but it also attracted a bunch of other beautiful people from all over the world to come here.

Tim Galloway: 31:24

Yeah. There's a reason that our borders are, like, overflowing.

Joey Bowen: 31:27

Yes. Right? It and it still continues to attract people. But I agree with you. The the outsourcing of manufacturing, it's robbed people of that that

Tim Galloway: 31:40

Opportunity to earn.

Joey Bowen: 31:41

That opportunity, but also of that purpose. Yeah. Yeah. Because so much of that is purpose driven, the work you do. You know what I mean?

Tim Galloway: 31:48

You know, and they say that, you know, that pride is is a sin. Right? And I think if you get if you overwhelm yourself with that, they can definitely be detrimental. However, I think that there's a lot to be said about being proud with the work that you do Mhmm. And and, you know, the the work that you put in.

Tim Galloway: 32:04

Yeah. And I think that a lot of a lot of people don't know what it's like to have built something with your hands.

Joey Bowen: 32:11

Sure.

Tim Galloway: 32:11

You know? Or, I mean, or or with your mind or or or with whatever, you know, with whatever tools you're searching with.

Joey Bowen: 32:17

People to bring something that was once an idea into fruition.

Tim Galloway: 32:20

Yeah. To to to manifest something.

Joey Bowen: 32:22

Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 32:23

And, you know, so I I think it's really cool how, how Origin has been pulling, you know, like, taking these old looms and, like, restoring those and, like, building that manufacturing. But, like, that's really amazing.

Joey Bowen: 32:33

Yep.

Tim Galloway: 32:33

And, you know, it'd be really, really great to see that happen more. And, you know, with GoodWorks, I've I've definitely thought, you know, like, what if I could get, like, a CNC, like, a proper CNC and start making my own hardware? Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 32:46

You

Tim Galloway: 32:46

know, like, how cool would it be, like, to be able to scale to that? Yep. And then I can start making my own hardware. And then if I'm making my own hardware for myself, I can make hardware for other companies. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 32:56

Yeah. Sure. So there's, you know, there's Yeah. It

Joey Bowen: 32:58

has a ripple effect.

Tim Galloway: 32:59

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 33:00

It has a ripple effect.

Tim Galloway: 33:01

And, you know, it's it's, you know, it's it's lofty and whatever, and that's great. But it's like, I'm thinking of that as, like, I could employ people. Mhmm. You know? I could employ people, and then with that, you know, I could benefit more people too, like, more money coming in, more benefit going out.

Joey Bowen: 33:19

Yep.

Tim Galloway: 33:19

So there's

Joey Bowen: 33:19

Setting a strong example, and you know what I mean? It's cumbersome. It's a it's a it's a crazy thought to do that, but you could start small. What if you just made That's

Tim Galloway: 33:30

how it's a

Joey Bowen: 33:30

super wholesaler or something, like, whatever.

Tim Galloway: 33:32

If it were that simple. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 33:33

Yeah. Yeah. I know.

Tim Galloway: 33:34

If we're only that simple. Right? So that's another thing where it's like, you know, you can you can get back into, you know, supply. Yeah. You know, like Pittsburgh.

Tim Galloway: 33:43

Mhmm. You know, Steel City, how much steel is coming out of Pittsburgh now? Yep. You know, where are we where are we sourcing? Where are we sourcing that stuff from?

Tim Galloway: 33:50

You know, and how do we get raw materials? Where is it coming from? So, you know, there's, you know, the meme with, you know, if you buy made in the US products, you know, they don't get stuck on a cargo ship. Well, where the raw materials

Drew Beech: 34:04

come from? Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 34:05

Yeah. Do you think that do you think that we're in a period of time where there will be a shift back to

Tim Galloway: 34:13

Oh, man. I hope so. Yeah. Dude, I I think that,

Joey Bowen: 34:18

I I believe I I believe we are. I believe we are. I don't know how long it's gonna take, but I believe that we are.

Tim Galloway: 34:24

I think we're definitely in a transitional phase

Joey Bowen: 34:26

Mhmm. For sure.

Tim Galloway: 34:28

And, you know, I think every generation has this, like, oh, like, something big. You know? I think every generation has that. Right? And so, like, our generation, we've lived through, like, so many, like,

Joey Bowen: 34:38

big Oh, yes. Like, big

Tim Galloway: 34:39

things, like, oh, Y2K is coming, my calendar's coming. Yeah. You know, we have, you know, we had, you know, GWAT. We had, you know, September 11th. We've had, like, so many things, you know, like, we we were alive during Desert Storm.

Tim Galloway: 34:51

The one thing that that our generation has that previous generations haven't is is is technology and data like we like we have now. Right? Like, if you look at the change even between now and, like, 10 years ago

Joey Bowen: 35:07

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 35:07

The rate of data and exchange and information is has drastically increased. Right? So I think that I feel personally that we're on this, like, precipice that, like, something that a change needs to happen. Yeah. And I also understand that, like, we're very isolated.

Tim Galloway: 35:22

We're in a bubble. I mean, we are in the states. I mean, there is you know, we we live in a very safe place regardless of what people wanna say. You know, this is, you know, gonna be this is one of the safest times to be alive, you know, when whether that's just, like, surviving getting sick. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 35:41

Whether that's, you know, like, I don't have to worry about going and getting a cut somewhere and then having that cut, like, take a limb. Yeah. Like, infection, like, stuff like that. Mhmm.

Joey Bowen: 35:48

You know,

Tim Galloway: 35:49

we live in, like, one of the safest time safest times and safest places

Joey Bowen: 35:52

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 35:52

Like, ever in the history of man. And but I think there's, like, a it feels like something is

Joey Bowen: 35:59

Yeah. Something's

Tim Galloway: 36:00

coming.

Joey Bowen: 36:01

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 36:01

And I really hope that we can make a shift and start putting Americans first instead of sending these care packages of these high dollar care packages out to, you know, pardon me, but, like, launder money to propagate war. Mhmm. Like, we need to start investing in our people.

Joey Bowen: 36:21

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 36:22

And, you know, that's I

Drew Beech: 36:22

think a lot of people agree with you, Tim.

Joey Bowen: 36:24

Yeah. I I mean, I know I do. And I think investing in our people is one of the best things we can do is create opportunities

Tim Galloway: 36:32

for them. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 36:32

And that's what we're that's what we're doing by making a decision to be yes.

Tim Galloway: 36:35

And build community. Right? And so that's one one thing that really frustrates me with how some of the gear that I make is treated is, like, it's treated as a commodity. Yeah. And when I make it, I'm not thinking of it or treating it as a commodity.

Tim Galloway: 36:50

I'm looking at it as, like, a piece that's gonna go to somebody in my community that's gonna use it and to, like, improve their life.

Joey Bowen: 36:58

Yeah. I'm I'm with you, man. I I would be I'd be lying if I didn't say that when I saw, like, a few on t on, like, Poshmark or whatever those sites are, like, you know, where people sell stuff from their closet or whatever Yeah. Yeah. That it doesn't, like, hurt my soul a little bit.

Joey Bowen: 37:13

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 37:14

Sure. Of course it does.

Joey Bowen: 37:14

I kinda feel the same way. Now it could go to somebody, another one of the few Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 37:20

That puts

Joey Bowen: 37:20

it to great use. So that's the way I I Yep. But when I first see it Yes. I'm like, that's not what that's made for you.

Drew Beech: 37:26

Why would you wanna get rid of this?

Tim Galloway: 37:27

Yeah. Yeah. Like, there's

Joey Bowen: 37:28

People wanna, you know, make some room in their closet,

Tim Galloway: 37:30

but I'd

Joey Bowen: 37:31

rather them give it to somebody.

Drew Beech: 37:32

They're making room for new if you want to.

Tim Galloway: 37:34

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 37:34

Yeah. You know what? I bet you 8.5 time out of 10 times, that's exactly what's happening.

Tim Galloway: 37:40

Like, look. I'm gonna need another dresser. If you guys can reimburse me for a dresser,

Drew Beech: 37:43

I'll be like, oh my gosh.

Joey Bowen: 37:44

I hear that. Evelyn and Kat all the time.

Drew Beech: 37:46

I I the same thing. Like, I I it hits me the same way.

Joey Bowen: 37:49

Yeah.

Drew Beech: 37:49

But I do the same I re I I get my closest friend, like, the do you want I I don't have enough room in my Yep. Drawer for all of our shirts.

Joey Bowen: 37:57

Yeah. Right. Right.

Drew Beech: 37:58

So I get my closest friends by ones I I wanna wear. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 38:01

Yeah. So the gift gifting is

Joey Bowen: 38:02

a this

Tim Galloway: 38:02

is a different thing. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 38:03

That's passing on the energy.

Tim Galloway: 38:04

Gifting is a different thing. You know, I've got a currently, I've been people in my community will alert me when certain things, like, when certain things go on sale and whatever. And there is somebody that was, like, one of the original, like, boogie bag bunch, like, one of the original crew that is offloading all of his good work stuff.

Joey Bowen: 38:24

Oh, wow.

Tim Galloway: 38:24

And I don't know why. I don't I don't know the thing. I don't I don't know, like, the details behind it.

Joey Bowen: 38:28

Be some person.

Tim Galloway: 38:29

Like, I hope I hope that he's good. Yeah. But it's like it's like it's really strange. Right? And especially if it's somebody that invested in

Drew Beech: 38:35

All of it?

Tim Galloway: 38:36

All of it. Yeah.

Drew Beech: 38:37

Oh, you're the one that they

Tim Galloway: 38:38

sound like small pouches, ripcords.

Joey Bowen: 38:40

Sounds like some personal, maybe.

Tim Galloway: 38:42

Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 38:42

Yeah. Some I

Tim Galloway: 38:43

think it is, but, regardless of of that, it's just kinda like when you see it and it's like people that, like, were invested and, like, you invested yourself in them. Yeah. You know, like, I I get that. Like, I I I totally get that. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 38:56

But at the same time, I've also had some really, like, rad stuff happen

Joey Bowen: 39:01

Mhmm. Where, you

Tim Galloway: 39:02

know, I've had, a couple of people in the community were, like, hey. Can we, like are you cool for, like, switch bags for a little bit? Because, like, they had different colorways. And, one of them was, like, yeah. For sure.

Tim Galloway: 39:12

So, like, they swapped. And then the one person, like, sent the bag, like, returned to their owner, and then the guy was, like, I want you to keep that one

Joey Bowen: 39:20

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 39:21

That we swapped because, like, it's really, like, I know you really wanted it, whatever. So, like, people have, like, gifted them.

Joey Bowen: 39:26

Yeah. You

Tim Galloway: 39:26

know? So, like, that's that's always really, like, really awesome to hear. You know? Like, to sharing that and, like, building that the community. Right?

Tim Galloway: 39:33

Yep. So it's, you know, like, you don't get that when you buy, when you buy a lulu

Joey Bowen: 39:38

No. You know, hip pack. No. And you don't you don't get that when you buy, something off Amazon, make a t shirt off Amazon. You know what I mean?

Joey Bowen: 39:45

Is We get a lot

Drew Beech: 39:46

Does hip pack even like, I feel like that's a I couldn't I feel you couldn't use that word to call, a lulu. Like, a hip pack is like it seems like a very wear

Tim Galloway: 39:55

it on your waist.

Joey Bowen: 39:56

I just

Drew Beech: 39:56

call it a hip pack. It's like a a more prestigious word. I wouldn't I wouldn't

Tim Galloway: 40:01

I I don't know. I just don't like calling them fanny packs.

Drew Beech: 40:03

Yeah. I feel like you gotta call a spade as bait with a lulule.

Joey Bowen: 40:07

Some of the, some of the most powerful moments that we've had as a community came out of gifting. Yeah. You know, Ryan Waters was gifted was gifted, this day, actually. Yeah. After he lost his leg.

Drew Beech: 40:18

Tim was gifted,

Joey Bowen: 40:19

right. You were gifted the flag. Yep. You know what I mean? Like, some of the most powerful moments and connections have come out of that that gifting.

Drew Beech: 40:26

And even the emails you get I mean, the DM's we get too. But, like, the emails you get, like, oh, I bought this shirt for my oh my god. The what's his name? His name is Joey. Yeah.

Drew Beech: 40:37

I bought this shirt for my husband. He's battling bone cancer.

Joey Bowen: 40:40

Yeah. Uh-huh.

Tim Galloway: 40:40

Like

Drew Beech: 40:41

Yeah. Dude.

Joey Bowen: 40:42

Yep. That is that is And

Drew Beech: 40:44

they reached at this is a I'll tell the story. It's a powerful book. She was like, I bought this husband for my I bought this shirt for my husband who's battling Breighan Hanson. Do you, by any chance, have kids' sizes? I said, no.

Drew Beech: 40:56

But some of your kids' sizes, and we'll make the same shirt Yeah. And your kid. And so we got a picture of, like, oh, it's him Yeah. Yeah. And all the kids.

Tim Galloway: 41:03

Amazing. And so and that's another, like

Joey Bowen: 41:06

That's not that's, like, you can't get that type of experience.

Tim Galloway: 41:09

You but that's that's another thing that that is is is beneficial to that, right, is is you say, hey. You know what? Like, give me their sizes.

Joey Bowen: 41:18

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 41:19

If you were just if you were just sourcing this stuff from somewhere in in in China, Malaysia, wherever

Joey Bowen: 41:24

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 41:25

Being able to do that True. You're then you're gonna be like they're gonna be like, oh, well, man, like, now I gotta I have, like, an MOQ of a 1,000 pieces.

Joey Bowen: 41:31

Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 41:32

Uh-huh. But being that you run your business the way that you do, it enables you to do other things.

Joey Bowen: 41:37

People that are like us on this soil that was fertilized by sweat. You know what I mean? All that. Yeah. It all plays it all it all plays together.

Tim Galloway: 41:44

You know, I had this, there's a there's a guy there's a a dude that's out in amazing, Covington, I think, Kentucky.

Joey Bowen: 41:53

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 41:53

And his his daughter has, some sort of congenital disease or illness or something, and the color for it is purple. Mhmm. And he was he she carries, like, all of her emergency meds, like, in in a bag or whatever, and she had stolen, like, commandeered his his I had a I have a boogie light or I had one. It was just like a smaller version of a boogie bag.

Joey Bowen: 42:14

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 42:15

And she had kind of, like, stolen it. And he sends me an email. He sent me a message one day. He's like, hey, man. You know, she's she's taking this, and, you know, she I know she really really wants one of her own or whatever.

Tim Galloway: 42:24

And I was like, yeah. Let me you know, I'll get back to you.

Joey Bowen: 42:26

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 42:26

So I just, like, her like, she wanted a purple one. So, like, I just I had I happened to have purple. Yeah. It's, like, I just made one and, like, sent it to her. Right?

Tim Galloway: 42:33

And it's, like, I'm not I'm not doing that to to, like, talk about myself, but the the point that I'm trying to get to is the fact that I make it Yep. Enabled me to do that. Whereas if I were having it manufactured, that's something I would have missed out on.

Joey Bowen: 42:48

Yeah. That

Tim Galloway: 42:48

that's something that, like, you know, I was able to send it to him to give to his daughter.

Joey Bowen: 42:52

Plus, I'm a firm believer in, like, the exchange that you 2 had and the energy that it was exchanged there and the genuine desire you had for her to feel joy, that's in that bag you made. I I That you that you sent to her. Yes. And I think that that exchange of energy is lost. Mhmm.

Joey Bowen: 43:13

When you send it somewhere else to have it made Mhmm. Receive it back, and then send it out again. And much even worse, when you send the thing to a place that does not support your vision and your values for your company and your community. You know? And that that's what it comes down to.

Joey Bowen: 43:30

A 100%. That's exactly what it comes down to. You know? A 100%. Exactly.

Tim Galloway: 43:35

Yeah. There's there's definitely better ways to do business. Man, I I I say it all the time, like, I am terrible at business, man. Like, I'm awful at business.

Drew Beech: 43:44

Better ways to make money. That's for sure.

Tim Galloway: 43:45

Yeah. Like, I'm I'm terrible at business and but it's, you know, I've found that, you know, like, wanna wanna I don't know what rule it is. I don't know your rules yet. I don't know the all the rules yet. But Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 43:57

Leading with the servant heart and and, you you know, and offering the servant hand first Mhmm. Like, that that has been hugely beneficial to, you know, to my business. And does it make sense on paper? Does it make sense in the books? No.

Joey Bowen: 44:10

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 44:10

Absolutely not. But it makes sense to my heart, and it makes sense to, like, my community. Yep. So, like, that's that was, you know, that's the point behind it because it's not it's not just about money. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 44:22

And and and, like, money is not the is not the superseding Yeah. You know, motivator or drive behind it. Like, there's so much more to it than that.

Joey Bowen: 44:31

We know we know a lot of people with a lot of money, and the money isn't the thing that fulfills them, makes them happy. What does is serving others.

Tim Galloway: 44:40

Yep.

Joey Bowen: 44:40

You know what I mean? And pouring into them so that they can find their purpose and ultimately build something too. Yeah. That's what fulfills them the most. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 44:47

Yeah. You know?

Tim Galloway: 44:48

And, you know, the more the the more money that you have that you can

Joey Bowen: 44:50

It's a magnifier. It it Yeah. It's magnifier for sure.

Drew Beech: 44:53

We're not repelling money, but I love we love money. We love money.

Tim Galloway: 44:56

Yeah. But Yeah. But it's how

Drew Beech: 44:58

it's but it's how you use it.

Tim Galloway: 45:00

You can use it. You can use it to benefit others. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 45:02

For sure. Yeah. For sure.

Drew Beech: 45:04

You gotta tell the universe that you love it. Yeah. And you're and you're accepting it.

Joey Bowen: 45:08

Yes. Of course. Of course. Of course.

Tim Galloway: 45:09

My bank account's wide open.

Joey Bowen: 45:11

Yeah. It's wide open.

Drew Beech: 45:12

We're ready to

Tim Galloway: 45:13

push it. Push it on in.

Joey Bowen: 45:14

Let's go. Let's go.

Tim Galloway: 45:15

On in. Let's go.

Joey Bowen: 45:16

Let's go. Oh, so this was a fun episode, you said, to share some of our our thoughts. Any other closing thoughts, Tim, or Drew, that you want to add? I think we touched a lot. Everything that I kinda wanted to touch on, but kinda just, you know, raw episode right off the cuff.

Joey Bowen: 45:32

So any other things you wanna add about the journeys that we're on? I mean, one thing that I'll say is, you know, I'm honored to be on the made in America journey with the both of you.

Drew Beech: 45:42

Likewise. Like yeah.

Joey Bowen: 45:43

You know what I mean? Building things here so that we can provide opportunities that build people here Yeah. So that we can build families here.

Drew Beech: 45:50

And the one thing I would like to say too is, like, I know on the outside, we are perceived as a a huge like, a huge business. Like, we we we do have a big operation, but we're still a small team, a small business of a family a family owned small business that has real people doing real hard work working for us that, provide for their families as well. So

Joey Bowen: 46:13

Yep. I just

Drew Beech: 46:14

think it's important for to let everyone our community know that, like, it's still us here doing the work. You know what I mean?

Joey Bowen: 46:20

Oh, of course.

Tim Galloway: 46:20

Yeah. There's, one thing that I've that I've definitely tried to communicate to anyone that I've spoken with about about being here is that, you know, fuel hunt is not a hype brand, and that fuel hunt is not a it's not a facade. Mhmm. You know? And I and I and I've tried to express that you guys live the rules.

Tim Galloway: 46:43

Like, you guys live what you espouse. Mhmm. And that's that was a huge you know, to me, that's that's that's an important like, a big important thing because, you know, you can have people that are trying to, like, offer stuff and and have, like, these brands and and they don't live it, then it's like it's it's just to me that makes it completely like, it negates everything.

Joey Bowen: 47:02

Yeah.

Drew Beech: 47:02

You know?

Joey Bowen: 47:03

I'll be honest. I couldn't thank you. And I'll be honest. I couldn't do this if I didn't live it. I'd feel like a fraud.

Tim Galloway: 47:10

Well, so and that's and that's what I'm saying. Like You

Joey Bowen: 47:12

know what I mean?

Tim Galloway: 47:12

That that, like, kind of furthers my point is, like Yeah. You have that you have that that internal compass. You have that that bearing, and that's, you know, that's indicative as to, like, who you guys are as people and who you are as men. And that's, you know, an important thing. And that that's one of the reasons, like, why like, dude, my my wardrobe is now, like, few women.

Joey Bowen: 47:35

Yeah. Yeah. You know?

Tim Galloway: 47:36

So it's like and there and I'm and I'm proud to wear it, and I'm proud to be here. Yeah. So it's like, that's a huge thing. Yeah. And for me, like, to add something to is, like, I get like, my gear is expensive.

Tim Galloway: 47:49

You know? Like, $200 for a hip pack is a lot of money. And I and I fully understand that. You know, I get people that have messaged me and, like, oh, you're just making stacks of money. It's like, well, you you don't understand.

Tim Galloway: 48:01

Like, it costs money to get the materials. It cost it cost me tons of time. It it's like I have to pay for

Joey Bowen: 48:07

all these things. Retail price? They think that that's profit?

Tim Galloway: 48:10

Yeah. They they think that that's when you think you're putting all that money in your pocket. Like, no. It's not how it works.

Drew Beech: 48:14

The problem is the part the thing that misconstrues it or or or ruins it for the rest of us is that the people that are buying at a super low price overseas and are selling at the same price as we are, it makes people think everyone's making all this money when realistically No. The smaller the operation and and the more localized to America it is, the

Tim Galloway: 48:40

the higher the smaller the margins.

Joey Bowen: 48:42

Yeah. Exactly. More. Yeah. The more.

Joey Bowen: 48:43

The more. The more. The more. The more. The more.

Tim Galloway: 48:44

You know, people are under this misconception that it's just, like, stacking cash. But it's like, you know, like, you don't understand there's so much work involved with it that it's

Drew Beech: 48:53

Yep. However, I do think that that misconception is is all business. Like, everyone thinks as soon as you become an entrepreneur, you're you're rich. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 49:01

Yeah. Oh, yeah. No.

Drew Beech: 49:02

You're something Not at all.

Tim Galloway: 49:04

Not at all. It's like,

Joey Bowen: 49:05

you know, people don't realize that the average salary of, self employed individual is is low. It's not 6 figures.

Drew Beech: 49:13

So the author

Joey Bowen: 49:13

of that

Drew Beech: 49:14

To the entrepreneurial testament, they're the reason they have that misconception because the people they know that are rich are entrepreneurs.

Tim Galloway: 49:19

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you're you're but you're not seeing all the noise.

Drew Beech: 49:23

Exactly. You're

Tim Galloway: 49:24

you're seeing you're seeing the, you know, the top the top tier of of entrepreneur, you know, of entrepreneurism. Entrepreneur yeah.

Drew Beech: 49:32

Yeah. I work. Entrepreneurial.

Tim Galloway: 49:33

That's that's it. So, like, you know, you're only seeing, like, the top percent.

Joey Bowen: 49:38

Yeah. You

Tim Galloway: 49:39

know, the top that top a little bit. So it's like, I think a lot of people think that. Mhmm.

Joey Bowen: 49:43

And

Tim Galloway: 49:43

but what they don't see I mean, it's just like the, you know, you became famous overnight story. It's like that doesn't exist. No. It doesn't exist. I mean, unless you're like the unless you're like an Internet meme.

Tim Galloway: 49:53

I don't even wanna say,

Joey Bowen: 49:54

like, what I'm telling you. Gonna say.

Tim Galloway: 49:56

You know what I'm saying? I don't

Joey Bowen: 49:56

wanna say it. Yeah. I don't need to

Tim Galloway: 49:57

say it. I don't wanna contribute to that. But, I really think that, you know, like, back to the kind of where is we're wanting a little bit to where I was going. Like, I don't understand my products are expensive.

Joey Bowen: 50:08

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 50:08

Like, I get that, and I understand that right now, our dollars aren't really worth that much, and it's hard they're hard to come by.

Joey Bowen: 50:15

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 50:16

So it's really amazing that people continue to support my business.

Joey Bowen: 50:19

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 50:20

And the goal is to be able to give back. And, like, perhaps, like, right now, I'm not able to give back as much as I want to.

Drew Beech: 50:27

Oh, okay.

Tim Galloway: 50:27

But it's it's on the path.

Joey Bowen: 50:30

It's it's it's We feel the same way. Yeah. Yeah. We feel the same way. Like, we we would we'd rather give we will give ourselves broke.

Joey Bowen: 50:37

You know, there's things that we wanna do that we just don't have the means to do that, but

Tim Galloway: 50:41

we will. Yeah. For sure.

Drew Beech: 50:42

Probably will.

Joey Bowen: 50:43

Yep. You know? So so again, man, like, honored honored to be on this journey of making things in America with you and really, you know, overall, like, restoring the dignity of hard work because it's really what it is at the end of the day. You know?

Tim Galloway: 50:58

It's it's any dude, you know, there's there's a a bunch of, you know, online, like, personalities and stuff that have talked about this. Right? Where it's, like, now is, like, the easiest time to do anything.

Drew Beech: 51:09

Yeah. Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 51:09

It's it's the easy like, I spent I built my business by watching YouTube videos. Yeah. And and putting my own, like, putting my own flavor into it, and and and that was it.

Joey Bowen: 51:19

Yep.

Tim Galloway: 51:19

And now is the easiest time to do anything, man. Like Yeah. You can get you can get if you have if you have a good message, if you have a solid message, if you have a solid product whether that product be music or digital art or or whatever, if that's good, if your message is good, and if you put the work in Yep. Like, you can't fail. Like, it's impossible to fail.

Joey Bowen: 51:43

As long as you're leaving people better than you found them, you're not gonna you're

Drew Beech: 51:47

not gonna fail. Vision, intent, action.

Joey Bowen: 51:49

Yep. Yep. Exactly.

Tim Galloway: 51:49

Say it one more time louder for the people, Drew.

Joey Bowen: 51:52

For the people in the back. That's how

Drew Beech: 51:54

it's always been our thing, dude.

Joey Bowen: 51:55

Yeah. Vision vision, intent, and and action, you know, and and making sure that all three of those things are rooted in the service to others. Yeah. You know, leaving people better than you found them. When I was at BKLab and I spoke, we talked about I talked about marketing.

Joey Bowen: 52:08

It was business focused thing about how marketing's dead, and really what's here now is community marketing.

Tim Galloway: 52:15

I I've never

Joey Bowen: 52:15

define that as? Leaving people better than you found.

Tim Galloway: 52:18

Yeah. I've never marketed.

Joey Bowen: 52:19

Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 52:20

Never.

Joey Bowen: 52:20

Mhmm.

Tim Galloway: 52:20

It's it's always been just, you know, I'm I'm fortunate that I have a skill base with, like, visuals, like, and I can create my own visuals. Mhmm. But I've never marketed. It's always just been, like, hey. This is my goal.

Tim Galloway: 52:33

This is where I'm heading. This is what I wanna do. And but it's never been ads. I've never I've never paid for ads. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 52:40

I've never I've never had to do targeting. I've never done any of that.

Joey Bowen: 52:43

Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 52:44

And it's always I've been really fortunate that it's been, like, word-of-mouth and because people look at my gear like, hey. Like, this is made here. It's made by a single shop, made by one person.

Joey Bowen: 52:56

With heart.

Tim Galloway: 52:57

Yeah. So, like, you know, it's really it's really important to have stuff that's made and built here. Yeah. And match.

Joey Bowen: 53:02

And they feel it. They feel it when they get it. All those things you mentioned, they feel. They feel it was made here. They feel the heart that it was made here.

Tim Galloway: 53:08

And we need more of that. Yes. We we we need way more of that.

Joey Bowen: 53:11

Only way it's gonna happen is by people like us joining forces. Yeah. You know? And that's that's a big reason why we've done what we've done.

Tim Galloway: 53:19

Yep.

Joey Bowen: 53:20

You know? So call out to the community. I I did send an email maybe this that was probably a while ago. It's probably, like, almost 2 years ago. But, call out to the community.

Joey Bowen: 53:28

If you do make things in the US, if you make things in America, we wanna work with you in some way, shape, or form. So, leave a comment on YouTube or email me, [e-mail], and, let's band together. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Tim Galloway: 53:43

Yeah. There's enough there's enough for everybody. Yeah.

Joey Bowen: 53:45

For sure. For sure. Alright. I'll leave the, thank you for joining us, non guest non guest Tim. Non guest Tim.

Joey Bowen: 53:53

Alright. I'll leave you with a reminder. Always choose hard work over handouts. Always choose effort over entitlement. Remember, no one owns you.

Joey Bowen: 53:59

No one owes you. You're one of the few. Let's hunt.